1 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:11,160 OK, Jamie. Well, you're here on the podcast 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,280 to talk about yourself initially and then we're going to talk 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,680 about this very exciting Kickstarter that's been highly 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:22,360 anticipated by many who follow you on Facebook for a number of 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,720 years now. So before we get there mate, 6 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,680 let's talk about yourself and and about your company. 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,840 Yeah, definitely. So I've been wargaming since I 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,960 was about nine years old. I started with Lord of the Rings 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,960 Fellowship of the Ring when that came out in cinema, and I always 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:49,080 wanted to work in Wargaming. And when I was growing up, I 11 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,840 always wanted to work for Games Workshop because I love Lord of 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,480 the Rings. I loved Warhammer Fantasy 40 KA 13 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:00,560 little bit. And I guess about eight years 14 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,480 ago I started working in Wargaming for a company called 15 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,080 Rubicon Models. I don't know if you've heard of 16 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,720 them. They make 28 N scale plastic 17 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,000 tanks. Yeah, not out of them, mate. 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:15,080 No. Oh, they're they're really, 19 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,360 really cool. They make World War 2 tanks, and 20 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,280 in the last couple of years they've been doing Cold War 21 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,920 stuff as well. Really enjoyed working there 22 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,640 because I got into like Bolt Action and World War 2 War 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:32,920 gaming after I left there. I've done like bits of freelance 24 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,360 work for different war gaming companies, but for the last 25 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,720 nearly six years, it was six years in October. 26 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:44,120 I've worked for a company called Amar by Mook MNS who produced 27 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,040 paints and weathering products and all that sort of thing. 28 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,120 And in the background to that I've been trying to make my own 29 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,960 little war gaming company and produce my own figures. 30 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,280 I started with some 28 Nile scale World War 2 Polish 31 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:06,960 figures, but then I released those on Kickstart. 32 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,199 It was a lot of fun and I wanted to do more figures since and I 33 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:15,000 got really nostalgic during lockdown for like square bases 34 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,440 and the 6th edition one on a fantasy and metal fantasy 35 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,160 figures. Figures that are like super 36 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,280 heavy and bulky and have that like old school aesthetic. 37 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,160 And that's when I started the Dwarfs that I'm about to 38 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,920 release. I was like browsing Facebook one 39 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:35,600 day and saw a sculptor in Spain called Sergio Alonzo Leon. 40 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,720 He was sculpting models that kind of remind me of the models 41 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,280 from when I was younger. And I was like, oh, I've got to 42 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,920 try and do something. And luckily I wrote to him and 43 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,800 he was up for sculpting some dwarfs for me. 44 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:50,640 Nice, man. That's great. 45 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,360 Excellent. Yeah, they're they're fantastic. 46 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,920 I I immediately was attracted to them because they reminded me of 47 00:02:56,920 --> 00:03:02,320 the old Perry Old Hammer 3rd edition dwarf models. 48 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,400 I think he even replicated some of the aesthetics and designs of 49 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:12,520 those earlier figures, like the Imperial Dwarves for example. 50 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:20,080 Like I started the hobby in 6th edition Wuhan Fantasy with the 51 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,480 the Orcs versus the Empire as the box set, but I always really 52 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,000 loved the metal miniatures from before that period. 53 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,640 But I couldn't afford them as a kid somehow. 54 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:32,760 I'm older, I've kind of got a little bit of money and it's a 55 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,760 bit dangerous because now I can Commission schools and go a bit 56 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,040 crazy. So like, obviously we took 57 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,240 inspiration from like the Perry range of dwarfs, which were 58 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,080 awesome. The Marauder miniatures range of 59 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:54,440 dwarfs I always liked like Norse mythology as well. 60 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,440 So some of the dwarfs have like a Norse feel to them, like a 61 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,680 Viking kind of feel, but a little bit. 62 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,640 They they don't take themselves too seriously. 63 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,840 They're not like it's that old school aesthetic where fantasy 64 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,880 was a bit a bit jokey and not so grim. 65 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,000 Dark if that makes sense. That's what we've tried to 66 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,360 capture and we've done two different types of dwarf for the 67 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,080 Kickstarter. We've done like N style dwarfs 68 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,880 and then we've done, I've been calling him feudal dwarfs, so 69 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,760 like Knights and Archers, like classic medieval * dwarfs. 70 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,960 And then we've done a couple of random ones, like we've done 71 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,960 like a miner. I've done one that I've kind of 72 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:46,000 called like in my head. He's like a foreign dignitary at 73 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,400 the core of the dwarf king and he's kind of got Polish attire 74 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,560 on. So he's got like a curved Sabre 75 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,040 and he's got like the the Polish colt and the Polish hat from the 76 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,080 Renaissance period. Just because I had this idea 77 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,360 that maybe in the future if the Kickstarter was really 78 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,240 successful, then people really liked Slim. 79 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:07,880 We could branch out and do dwarfs with themes from all over 80 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,280 the world and or different elements of fantasy and tie them 81 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:15,120 into one range. Which I think like one of the 82 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,800 cool things about fantasy is you can kind of just do anything and 83 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,080 mix stuff together and make interesting figures that 84 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,960 hopefully people like to paint. Yep, for sure, mate. 85 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,840 Yeah. I think your range of dwarves 86 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:31,640 are going to be released on Kickstarter. 87 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,320 Now this is going to happen. It's currently now, Saturday the 88 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,920 11th of May, but it'll be for you tomorrow, I suppose it's 89 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,080 it's, it's evening now when we're recording this, so maybe 90 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,600 tomorrow morning it it it it launches. 91 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,800 Is that right? Yeah, it's, it's half, it's just 92 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,440 past half 10 now and it will launch tomorrow morning at 93 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,280 10:00. Right. 94 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,120 OK, I'm. A little bit excited, little 95 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:56,360 bit. I don't think I'll be sleeping 96 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,000 much tonight. No, mate, I don't think so. 97 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,720 Yeah, I think you'll be very much quite nervous or not 98 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,320 nervous, but just just, just, yeah, slightly anxious about 99 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,720 everything. And that must be a I've never 100 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:15,120 run a Kickstarter, so I can just imagine the the level of, well, 101 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,600 not maybe not stress, but just like you just don't know how 102 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,320 it's going to go. And you know how successful, you 103 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,240 just pray it's going to be successful and a lot of people 104 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,440 jump onto it and start supporting you on it. 105 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,480 It's it's it's definitely different to my last Kickstart, 106 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,920 which was like historical figures. 107 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,200 So doing fantasy is completely new. 108 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,560 And you mentioned that we started sculpting these in 2020. 109 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,440 Well, Sergio started sculpting him in 2020. 110 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,960 I just sent over this is what I would like, please. 111 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,880 And long lists of. I would like him to look like 112 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,640 this and to be armed with this weapon and to be in this pose. 113 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,760 And Sergio somehow turn those into actual nice figures. 114 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,960 But we had a little bit of bad luck along the way, which 115 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,400 delayed it a bit. So I'm I'm half excited that we 116 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,520 finally got to the point where I can go to Kickstarter tomorrow 117 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,760 and also very, very nervous about how the response is going 118 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,160 to be once the kick start is actually live because you kind 119 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,280 of you don't know how many people are going to back, are 120 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,560 you going to be successful? But I hope that we've done 121 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,440 everything that we can do to this point to try and spread the 122 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,440 word about them. I managed to get some really 123 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,400 nice paint jobs, which you've probably seen on Facebook and 124 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,280 Instagram by a guy called Interstellar Simeon who's in New 125 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,000 Zealand. His painting style has really 126 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,960 the the figures looked great, sculpted and cast. 127 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,960 I think his painting style has really took on to the next level 128 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,600 because it's kind of reminiscent of the old school style of 129 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:56,040 painting, but we've kind of like modern techniques and a modern 130 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,800 twist, if that makes sense. Yep, I just. 131 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,440 I just started following him back. 132 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,600 I didn't realize he was following me on Instagram. 133 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,200 So Interstellar, I'm now following you back. 134 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:06,840 Yeah, he's really a great painter. 135 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,240 I didn't realize he's from New Zealand, a very, really talented 136 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,800 painter. So I'm glad that your dwarves 137 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,880 are in the hands of someone who's as talented as 138 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,320 Interstellar and he's doing us absolute superb job on those. 139 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,480 So well done to him. And yeah, like I said, it's just 140 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,640 taken to the next level, absolutely. 141 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,560 Yeah, there's there's a part of me that obviously I want them to 142 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,120 fund because I want to be able to sell them and stock them and 143 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,679 get them into the hands of gamers. 144 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,960 But also, I'm really excited to see him paint the other SO 145 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,640 yourself because he hasn't done yet, just to get them in my own 146 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,520 collection and get them on the tabletop as well. 147 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,920 Yes, they're they're a range of dwarves that you know. 148 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,680 Looking at the various different types of dwarves that Sergio has 149 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:55,600 sculpted and beautifully so they can be used for role-playing. 150 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,880 They could be used for your games of Whammer Fantasy Battle. 151 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,160 You could rank them up on the square bases, and you could 152 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,600 easily fit them into third edition, 4th edition, 5th 153 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,560 edition, 6th edition Armies, and so on. 154 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:14,000 So there's there's a great range of different types of sculpts 155 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,240 and different, you know, adventurers or heroes or just 156 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,200 rank and file guys. But they all have their sort of 157 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,600 individual flair and character to them. 158 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,880 And they're beautifully detailed but not overly detailed. 159 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,920 And I like that about these monitor models as well. 160 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,520 They have a simplicity to them. They have lots of big long beads 161 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,720 and, you know, big gloves and big hand weapons. 162 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:40,440 They're nice, iconic emblems or something on top of their Helms. 163 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,200 They have the the sort of chivalry look, and they have 164 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,920 other other models that look very reminiscent of the drunken 165 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,560 dwarves, for example, with their big beer steins and that kind of 166 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:54,840 thing. So yeah, there's there's a 167 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,600 great, wonderful array of different types of models where 168 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,040 people could use them for various different things, but I 169 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,040 could definitely see them used in role-playing games and board 170 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,720 games. Yeah, like that. 171 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,360 Yeah. Interstellar Simeon took some 172 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,240 great pictures of them with his Hero Quest set up and they look 173 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,000 really good in Hero Quest They do. 174 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:24,280 Personally I had in mind more time because I really love more 175 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:25,480 time. I loved it when I was a kid, 176 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,520 like dwarven treasure hunters, but there are a couple of 177 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,600 figures in there that there's a couple of Wizards. 178 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,080 So I just have Frost Grave in mind as well because I've I've 179 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,840 really wanted to try Frost Grave for a while. 180 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,920 So I thought, you know, I could do a more time war band. 181 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,360 I can do a Frost Grave war band. They can fit in with my 6 182 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,440 edition dwarfs. Yep. 183 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,480 I think yeah, no, I think there's there's, yeah, there's 184 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:52,680 there's lots of different avenues we can take these 185 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:56,640 dwarves and if anything that is beautiful to collect and paint 186 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,200 for a For a painter out there who's just interested in 187 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,600 dwarves, I'm a I'm a I'm a huge dwarf fan. 188 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,800 And yeah, like I said I was just, I was just straight away 189 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,840 just drawn to the style of Sergio's sculpts. 190 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,040 I think they're just they heart back, like you say back to the 191 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:20,360 earlier days of when dwarves were done by Michael and Alan 192 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,080 Perry and then later by Ali Morris and those kind of ranges 193 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,440 from Citadel and Marauder miniatures. 194 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,840 So they have that kind of aesthetic values which I really 195 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,400 resonate with a lot, but done in a very sort of modern style. 196 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,000 Now they're all hand designed, they're not 3D sculpted, these 197 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,640 are designed with green stuff by Sergio's hands and they're just 198 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,240 beautiful. They've got lots of character, 199 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:49,680 lots of wonderful little details in there, even though they they 200 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:53,400 look on the surface nice and simplistic, which I love about 201 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,200 them. They're all single piece models, 202 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,200 but they have little little intrinsic details in there which 203 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,880 capture their spirit I think which is lovely that Sergio 204 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,200 captured in those models. Yeah, we've tried to make 205 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,320 everyone have a little bit of a character and a little bit of 206 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,880 almost a back story when you look at them. 207 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,200 One of the things we found hard was we've done a few nights and 208 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,480 we wanted them all to have like an animal on top of their 209 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,240 helmet, trying to clean with animals that feel dwarvish. 210 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,080 So like, one of them's got a ball. 211 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,000 One of them that I really like has a hedgehog, and then he has 212 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,760 a Mace, which kind of matches the hedgehog, which I kind of 213 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,400 like that. We went all out with the the 214 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,600 dwarf king. So he's got a lion on his 215 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,200 helmet, he's got a crown with a lion on top, and then the lion's 216 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:45,840 got his own little crown on top of that. 217 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,160 So I just feel like super dwarfish. 218 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,160 They're just crowns on crowns on crowns. 219 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:58,160 And obviously it's just it's really, really cool to be able 220 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,560 to go to someone like Sergio and go, I really want to make a 221 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:03,240 dwarf. I want to make him look old 222 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,680 school and he's into it as well because he loves dwarfs and he 223 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:09,560 loves old school Warhammer fantasy. 224 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,960 So he was like, oh, what? What about if we do this? 225 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,360 We've we've got to figure out a wizard that kind of looks like 226 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,880 Merlin with the with the big hat and a little walking stick and a 227 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,400 little crystal ball. Like some of those ideas that he 228 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,080 came up with for the range when I was like, how can we make a 229 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,200 wizard but make it a bit tongue in cheek and make it a bit fun? 230 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:33,840 And Sergio was like, oh, let's try this. 231 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,560 And then it it works way better than what I probably would have 232 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:42,440 gone for. Because it's kind of nice that 233 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,120 because he's into Warhammer Fantasy, he's into old school 234 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,640 miniatures, he's into that kind of aesthetic. 235 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,200 It's really nice to bounce ideas off each other. 236 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:57,800 Yep, no, I think Sergio is the the perfect person to undertake 237 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,520 this project and then you've got the perfect painter also to to 238 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,680 visualize this in colour. So it's a wonderful project. 239 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:11,240 Now obviously the the, the scale of these miniatures suit 240 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,720 perfectly with the older existing ranges of third 241 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,120 edition, 4th edition, 5th edition. 242 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:20,800 So they fit on 20 mil Slaughter Square bases perfectly and they 243 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,040 all sort of rank up and that kind of thing which is nice. 244 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:30,160 And also they are coming in metal and I I I presume you have 245 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,160 a resin range also available for people in the Kickstarter, is 246 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,560 that right? Actually initially we planned to 247 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:42,440 do resin and metal, but due to cost we've decided to just stick 248 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:47,480 with only metal for this range. I kind of like metal because it 249 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,320 it feels old school. I really like when you pick up a 250 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,000 movement tray and it's really heavy with the figures on top. 251 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,480 There's just something nice about it. 252 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,400 Yeah, when you're carrying a carry case and your army is a 253 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,760 bit of a workout. At the same time, I've always, 254 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,320 I've really enjoyed just ranks and ranks of metal. 255 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:10,000 I've been really lucky actually, because the cast is, I live in 256 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,600 just outside Birmingham and the cast is in Birmingham. 257 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,560 So I've been really lucky in the sense that I've been able to get 258 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,440 cast quite quickly and they're really high quality and I'm 259 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,440 really proud of them. And I can't wait for people to 260 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,960 to see them in real life and put their own spin on how to paint 261 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,480 them. Because right now we've had the 262 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,360 obviously the majority of the range has been painted by 263 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:37,160 Interstellar Simeon. I don't know if you saw we 264 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,000 shared a paint job by Angelo Dicello. 265 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:47,120 He recently sent him one of the characters and Angelo instantly 266 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,680 for it looks like a dwarf from Warhammer Quest. 267 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,840 He gave it a paint job and it was really cool to see it 268 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,600 painted. Not how I imagined it in my 269 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,280 head, yeah, but still looking absolutely awesome. 270 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,600 Yeah, he base. He base it off one of Dave 271 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:10,560 Gallagher's artworks of the White Dwarf, and he did a 272 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,320 beautiful job on it. I I must admit. 273 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,960 Yeah, he's really, really nice, very another talented guy out 274 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,520 there. So it's great to see so many 275 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,320 people coming together that you've met or connected with 276 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,240 that really enjoy and love your products and then really want 277 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,840 to, you know, showcase those in the best light possible with 278 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,320 these amazing paint jobs. Now, of course, we're talking a 279 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,200 lot about these things and it's a very visual medium, obviously, 280 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,320 these miniatures and the paint jobs that we're talking about. 281 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,840 So to see them before the Kickstarter, if you want to get 282 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,760 a glimpse of what these miniatures look like, would 283 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,720 Facebook be the best place to go to check them out, Jamie. 284 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,600 Yeah, mostly. Most of the images are uploaded 285 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,960 to Facebook. I've kept a few back that I'll 286 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,000 share during the Kickstarter. There's some on my Instagram 287 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,040 page with not quite as many. It's kind of playing catch up, 288 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,880 and obviously on the Kickstarter itself there'll be tons of 289 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,599 images, including scale comparisons, some images of them 290 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:12,520 on the table top, some images of the greens before they get 291 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,440 casted, just in case you're interested in seeing, and 292 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,079 obviously the paint drops. Yes, that's how I discovered you 293 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:25,200 through infamous JT on Facebook and on Instagram as well. 294 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,960 I'll leave links for people in the the description and show 295 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,000 notes for the podcast. So then go straight down there. 296 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,280 They can click on those links, they can be redirected to those 297 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,520 sites so they can actually see and visualize the miniatures 298 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,240 straight away. And hopefully by the time they 299 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,560 listen to this, then the Kicks Kickstarter will have launched 300 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,720 and they can go straight away to the Kickstarter page, which I'll 301 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,400 leave a link in there for as well. 302 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,840 And then they can be. Then they can decide, oh how how 303 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:02,120 many of these models can I get for my money and have them 304 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:05,160 delivered in beautiful cast metal? 305 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,480 Now the metal they're they're using, is it sort of like a hard 306 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,520 metal or soft metal? It's a hard metal. 307 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,360 It's the first time I've worked with this caster and I was 308 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:20,040 really impressed by how just how sturdy the metal is. 309 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,160 Like, it's not easy to, you know, sometimes when you order a 310 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,480 metal blister pack and the swords are bent and you've got 311 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,720 to bend them back, that's not really an issue with this metal. 312 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,120 And they did mention to me that it has a very, a very, very low 313 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,160 almost lead free alloy, which is also good. 314 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,000 If you're concerned about those sort of things like there's 315 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,920 going to be no lead rot or anything like that and there's 316 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,640 not that much clean up on them. Obviously, you've got a little 317 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,640 bit of a mold line here and there like you expect, but the 318 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,600 the casts are really clean. I'm really proud of them, to be 319 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,160 honest. Yeah mate, that's great. 320 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,680 They saw them with a cast in white metal, so that that's a 321 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,400 nice sturdy metal, which is what you want. 322 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,680 So that's really. What should be a dwarf should be 323 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,080 inside? Absolutely. 324 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,360 That's right. They're rock hard mate. 325 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,360 That's all their beer they'd been drinking I think so now 326 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:14,560 that that's a really wonderful range. 327 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,360 I'm really happy just for you mate to see this actually out as 328 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:22,440 a Kickstarter because it was kind of yeah, this is these are 329 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:27,040 the greens Sergio designing for us and it sort of just like I 330 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,440 said went from 2020 now in 2024. So it's a it's a long term 331 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,960 project, yeah, but obviously you need obviously funds to fund 332 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,480 this and it's not a not a not a cheap endeavour to do something 333 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,760 like this to have someone sculpt the models for you and then you 334 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,400 know organizers for a Kickstarter and everything. 335 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,960 So it's been a long journey, but now it's been. 336 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,920 Now it's been realized, mate. Yeah, I mean we, we estimated 337 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,280 when we began 2020 that it would take us maybe two years. 338 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:01,560 We had a bit of bad luck, without going into too much 339 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,000 detail, that. When they initially arrived in 340 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:09,320 the UK, quite a few of them were damaged by customs and they had 341 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,560 to get sent back to Spain to be repaired. 342 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,760 And in that time one of the original casters I was using was 343 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,640 not only the casting. So then I had to find a new 344 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:26,320 caster and I also like I got hit with like a massive VAT bell by 345 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,920 customs, which was really, really harsh when it's possible 346 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,680 they broke the miniatures, we're not sure if it was customs or 347 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:38,000 post. So to to them get hit, so they 348 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,920 had to be sent back to Spain and repaired. 349 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,200 Then they came back to the UK and we got them cast. 350 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,320 And then it's really been, it's almost been a little bit of a 351 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,240 blessing in disguise because I think the hype around the old 352 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,680 world and what I'm a fantasy at the moment has kind of driven a 353 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,360 lot of traffic to them on the Internet. 354 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,360 Yeah, so maybe it was meant to be that way. 355 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:04,600 It was just, you know, perfect timing. 356 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,720 Now people are interested in fantasy again, People are 357 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:12,480 interested in square bases. One thing I'll mention is all 358 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:17,000 the paint jobs by instead of Simeon are on circle bases, but 359 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,880 every sculpt does fit on a 20 mil square, because that was 360 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,800 really important for me because to me, 20 mil squares, that's 361 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,360 the perfect base for rank and foe. 362 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:28,840 Yeah, that's. A good That's a good good topic 363 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,480 too. The bases, Will they actually be 364 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,240 supplied with bases for the for the? 365 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,280 Miniatures. So they won't come with bases, 366 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,720 because when I asked on Facebook, some people were like, 367 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,560 I want them on 25 mil circles. Some people were like I want 368 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,240 them on 25 mil squares. Some people were like I want 369 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,200 them on 20 mil squares. And some people like the the 370 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,440 kind of lit bases, the 30 mil ones for like skirmish games 371 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:55,840 like Malophile and War Machine. What I'm going to do is I am 372 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,240 going to stock bases on my web store so that when people 373 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:05,440 actually after the Kickstarter, once they've pledged and paid 374 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,200 and they tell me exactly what they want, if they want to, they 375 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,480 can add a pack of bases of their choice for maybe just a couple 376 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,160 of quid, do you know what I mean? 377 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,120 So in that way you choose the exact basis you want because 378 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,520 it's kind of annoying when you get a if I have to build the 379 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,960 pack of the cost of the bases into the park and then not the 380 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,920 bases you want, it's a bit of a waste on your side. 381 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,560 That's right. Yep. 382 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,600 No, that's a good idea mate. That's a good idea, Jamie. 383 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,280 I think that's a great idea and people get what they want and 384 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,120 then they can base them how they how they want. 385 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:43,080 So that's a very nice idea in in the kick startups. 386 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,720 So, so we've gone through all of that. 387 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,880 We've gone through the and now there's A and then the the 388 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,560 entire range. How many models are going to be 389 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,320 presented on Kickstarter for people to purchase? 390 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,200 So there's going to be 41 miniatures in total. 391 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,640 One of them is a pony, one of them is a dog. 392 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,120 I do like to try and get an animal in every range, yeah. 393 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:11,600 And that the rest of the dwarfs, obviously, yeah, they're in, 394 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,760 they're in. List the packs of three for the 395 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,120 most part, except for the pony who's in a pack of two, just 396 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:21,120 because the the pony metal really does weigh quite a lot. 397 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,880 So you get the pony and the hand there in that pack and there 398 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,840 will be different pledge levels. So there'll be like a pick and 399 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,200 mix pledge level where you can just pledge. 400 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,520 If you want 4 blisters, you pledge for four blisters and 401 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,440 that's it. It's at a discount on the 402 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,760 Kickstarter. There's like a starter warband 403 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,600 which is 14 models, and then there's like a one of everything 404 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,640 played, which is at an even bigger discount. 405 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,320 One thing I wanted to do on Kickstarter, which is maybe not 406 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,800 normal or like a bit different to most Kickstarters, is there 407 00:23:56,120 --> 00:24:00,320 aren't any stretch goals. What I really wanted to do was 408 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,040 go. We've done 41 models, people 409 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,800 have been waiting for them for a long time. 410 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,200 We're going to release all 41, but as a thank you we're going 411 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,960 to give discounts of between 7 and 15% depending on how much 412 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,640 you buy. And by not having those stretch 413 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,200 goals, it means that I can have like a clear target of exactly 414 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,520 how much I need to raise and we can just get them into people's 415 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,560 hands quicker because they've already been master moulded in 416 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,960 metal. Some of them have been 417 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,080 production moulded in metal already and there's a handful of 418 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,360 packs that still need to be production molded and then 419 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:40,720 quality control checks and then it's just fulfilment, so it 420 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,400 should touch wood, be quite a quick fulfilment process. 421 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,600 Because we haven't had stretch goals, we're not delaying time 422 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,320 schools in more models and making more molds. 423 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,800 We've already started the process. 424 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,040 OK, that's great mate. Well, I think that's a good 425 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,240 idea. I think that's a good way to 426 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,560 approach it. And like I said, a lot of people 427 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,920 have been waiting for a long time. 428 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,240 I know Jerry from on Tabletop has been chomping at the bit to 429 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,280 have these models in his hands. So I know Jerry would be very, 430 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,040 very happy to see this he gave. Me, the idea when I was talking 431 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,240 earlier about some of the Knights, One of the Knights has 432 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,960 a squirrel on his helmet and that's because Jerry's profile 433 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,040 pitch is always a squirrel. He's right. 434 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,480 One day. He popped up one day and I 435 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,000 thought, oh, that's a great animal to to go on a little 436 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,360 dwarf's helmet. So cheers for that, Jerry. 437 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,480 Well I'm, I'm happy that Jerry's you know, Totem animal has been 438 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:32,920 embedded in one of those dwarves. 439 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,760 So he'll that'll be his favorite character. 440 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,320 No don't no doubt. And his games of whatever he's 441 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,360 playing. So that's excellent. 442 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,600 That's great. So yeah, like Jamie said like 443 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,680 I'm really happy it's it's coming to full fruition for you 444 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,720 and then you know it's going to be a launch tomorrow. 445 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,520 You're not going to get a lot of the sleep, but I'm sure people 446 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,920 will appreciate that this is now an official thing, a physical 447 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,240 thing that has been produced. I can see the miniatures, they 448 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,960 can see it's been they've been cast, it's a it's a real thing 449 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,520 if they go to your Facebook group or you go to Instagram. 450 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:09,520 I'm just looking at a a scale comparison. 451 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,560 So people just worried about the the size of these miniatures, 452 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,720 because, you know, because a lot of modern miniatures are sort of 453 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,240 upscaled compared to the older figures. 454 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:25,440 But you have the classic Warhammer Quest dwarf alongside 455 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:31,560 one of your dwarves, which kind of is in inspiration of that 456 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,400 white dwarf I guess. And then you have one of the 457 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,960 plastic Hira quest Chaos Warriors. 458 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,600 So you get a nice sort of very look at different sort of scales 459 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,800 of different periods, and your dwarves sort of blend in and 460 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,280 match in perfectly height, wires and size to those old classic 461 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,200 models. Yeah, on the Kickstarter we'll 462 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,760 have some more scale comparisons as well with some more modern 463 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,160 Games Workshop skeletons, Some Frost Grave miniatures. 464 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:08,160 There's a metal necromancer. I can never say his name, I 465 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,000 think it's Kemla or Kremla. I don't know if you remember him 466 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,760 from 6th. Edition The Heinrich Kemla. 467 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,080 Yes, there's a we've got a scale comparison with him because he's 468 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,160 quite a good representation of a human figure from that period. 469 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,920 So people would be able to hopefully look at them and have 470 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,360 a good idea of how they'll scale up with their existing 471 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,120 collections. Yes, I'm looking at that right 472 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:34,400 now. So it's got yeah figures from 473 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,440 various different manufacturers like modern GW through to you 474 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,280 know independent you know model companies your models in there 475 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,600 and then highlight Heinrich Kamila is right at the end 476 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,560 there. So that's cool. 477 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,720 Yeah that's a that's a great looking another another great 478 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,440 example of size size comparison and scale. 479 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,720 So people should go and check that out. 480 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,120 If they if they, if they're kind of worried about because it's 481 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,480 it's one of the concerns I suppose most people have. 482 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,120 You know, are these miniatures going to fit in with my old 483 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,320 school miniatures? And the answer to that is yes, 484 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,840 they definitely are. Yeah, I mean with this we wanted 485 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:16,160 to do everything old school. That's why we went to kind of a 486 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,320 traditional sculptor as well, to get that old school feel where 487 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,520 things aren't quite perfect but they have a lot of salt. 488 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,720 If that makes sense. Because I do like digital 489 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,520 schools, but sometimes they can be so perfect that they kind of 490 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,360 lack the old school feel a little bit. 491 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,760 So we kind of I wanted an old school sculptor. 492 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,600 I wanted them casting that, or I wanted them to match my old 493 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,400 school figures. I wanted them to be the models 494 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,640 that I couldn't afford when I was a kid and I'm pocket money. 495 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,760 No mate, that's great. I'm really happy for you like I 496 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,040 said and I'm just going to wish you all the all the very best 497 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,720 and I hope you make a million bucks out of it mate. 498 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:59,240 So try try to get a little bit of sleep before tomorrow and at 499 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,760 tomorrow it's 10 AM GMT, European GMT time is that when 500 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,440 it launches the? Kickstarter 10 AM GMT. 501 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,600 All right. OK mate, so. 502 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,920 About 11 hours from now. 11 hours. 503 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,400 You got time to get some 40 winks in there between then and 504 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,280 now or now and then. So look mate, I hope, hope 505 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,120 everything goes well for you. I'll be following the campaign 506 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,600 along. I don't think I can afford to 507 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,840 pledge on anything, unfortunately, but I'll be. 508 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,720 I'll be trying to help promote the Kickstart as much as I can 509 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,760 for you through the podcast as it's going to be released today. 510 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,440 So people have a bit of a heads up and they can, they can know 511 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,080 about it, they get notified, and then hopefully that'll drag a 512 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,480 few more people, a few more eyes onto the Kickstarter for you. 513 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,520 And then they can sort of think about whether they're going to 514 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,520 pledge or not. How long is the Kickstarter 515 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:55,160 going to go for? So it's going to go for 28 days, 516 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,840 4 weeks. Oh wow, OK, they've got plenty 517 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,360 of time then, so it's to save their pennies or to sell stuff 518 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,520 they don't need and to refund it for this project. 519 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:08,040 So I really wanted. To Yeah, no excuse guys. 520 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,880 I really wanted to give as many people the opportunity to pledge 521 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360 and take advantage of the discount as possible. 522 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,240 So that's kind of why we've gone for a bit of a longer campaign. 523 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,440 Because one thing that I should probably mention is the 524 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,960 Kickstarter is EU friendly, which is exclusively for the 525 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,640 Kickstarter. Normally orders placed through 526 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,800 my web store because I'm not that registered, they're not EU 527 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,720 friendly and there might be customs charges. 528 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,880 But for the Kickstarter, they're going to be dispatched from 529 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,360 within the EU and the you need like customs or VAT charges will 530 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:52,000 be covered by by me, I guess by infamous JT, just to make them a 531 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,440 little bit more accessible to gamers in Europe. 532 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,880 Because that was one of the biggest kind of feedbacks we've 533 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,040 had since 2020. Is, am I going to have to pay a 534 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,080 fortune in customs? Am I going to have to pay a 535 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,880 fortune in VAT? So luckily for the Kickstarter, 536 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,560 at least they are EU friendly. Excellent. 537 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,240 Excellent. OK, that's really good to hear. 538 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,960 And that, yeah, that's always a concern, isn't it? 539 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,360 With Kickstarter, you know, how much do I need to pay when it 540 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,800 gets here? You know, that's the that's the 541 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,880 other concern. So you've answered that, which 542 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,000 which would be a relief to many of dwarf lovers out there who 543 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,680 are eager to get these models into their hands and to support 544 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,600 you on Kickstarter. So Jamie, so look mate, thank 545 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,720 you very much for coming on The Chronic and a podcast. 546 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,520 And like I said, I'll leave links for everything that people 547 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,000 need to know about the Kickstarter and about your 548 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,960 infamous JT pages on Facebook and Instagram and a website if 549 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,200 there is one. Because it's not only dwarves 550 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,160 you do you do other other models as well. 551 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,120 Historical ranges and and which are really nice actually. 552 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,000 I love the paint jobs on those models also. 553 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,920 So yeah, you got a wealth of great products there that I 554 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,120 think people should check out if they haven't seen it already. 555 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,640 Thanks so much for having me and for all the support and the 556 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,160 shares. I really appreciate it. 557 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,040 No problem, Jamie. All the. 558 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,480 Best mate. And yeah, let's see those 559 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,720 dwarves in people's hands and get them painted on the table, 560 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,720 mate. Let's do it. 561 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,680 OK mate. Take care. 562 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,280 Thank you. Cheers. 563 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:24,680 Bye.