It all has to do with like how I actually started my channel or,
or why I started my channel. I guess which is funny because
like in the very beginning, it was literally I would, I didn't
even know I could film from my phone.
Well, I knew you could obviously take videos with your phone, but
like record it and upload it like as easy as it is.
And I would literally just like tilt the camera on my laptop and
record and like talk to the fucking camera.
And I didn't even know you could like upload an HD and fucking it
was just it was so sad. I look at it now and it just
makes me laugh but. I I like those videos man.
I really, because I always, when I ever find a creator, I always
go all the way back down to the very first videos they make
because I want to. I want to see how it evolved to
what it is now. And I, I kind of like those ones
where you're just sitting there painting and you're just talking
about life or what's been happening with the kids or
Chelsea Football Club. Oh, fuck Bass, man.
Yeah, DB likes Chelsea. Awesome.
Yeah, they were like, honestly, they're some of my funnest, like
the videos that I enjoy the most, but it's like, not very
many. I don't know.
Now I'll if I were to post a video like that, I would get a
couple messages of people just being like, what the fuck is
this? And that part, that part kills
me. And I'm like, I should post it
just because of that. But then I'm like, I don't want
to be a Dick because my my YouTube persona is not to be a
Dick. Like, I don't, I don't really
want to like I don't, I don't, I try not to do negative videos,
you know what I mean? But there's like plenty of shit
I want to like just go off on sometimes.
But. Oh yeah, I can I can understand
that mate man that's fair enough.
Now we I really appreciate and I know a lot of guys feel the same
way as me. I really appreciate like just
real, honest YouTube videos, YouTube creators, you know, you
are just you how you are, and I like that there's no you know
what I mean, because a lot of Youtubers out there, I don't
watch them because they've got it's it's it feels very fake or
it's it's it's too too are presented.
Yeah, those are the ones I don't, I don't fucking watch
those at all. Like people will be like, oh, do
you like know about this? That's in like the Warhammer
zeitgeist or whatever, you know? And I'm like, I have no idea
what the fuck you're talking about It.
It kind of pleases, you know, I don't know who these people are.
So it's. Yeah.
It's.
No, that's cool, man. It's cool, yeah.
And just like this podcast, it's it's a very natural flowing
conversation. There's not there's no preset
questions, there's no preset agenda for what we're talking
about. Whatever comes outcomes out, you
know what I mean? So it's all I like it.
I like it just like that how it all how it all started, you know
what I mean? Just bring people stories to to
the to the listeners. So I appreciate that, but thanks
again mate DB for coming on. I'll exchange a couple of emails
and I think it came about because sadly your your
beautiful dog passed away not so long.
Ago. Yeah, that was back in October.
That was rough for me, man. He was.
He was 15 and he was a he was a German shepherd Bassettown.
He was wild. So he was like he looked like a
police dog cut off at the knees and he was that, you know, big
fat barrel of a thing. But, and I've had other dogs
before, but like literally just having him for 15 years and I'm
almost, you know, I'm almost 50, so it's a third of my life for
whatever. And literally like I spent like
every day with him. My friends called him excuse
because like they'd be like, hey, you want to go somewhere?
And I'd be like, Nah, I got to go, got to go hang out with the
dog and like, you know, and he would just chill.
He wouldn't, he barely would go for walks and stuff.
He didn't care. So it was, yeah, that one was
that one. It was rough too.
And at the time he passed, it was my annual like get together
for my gaming group. So the graying legion every year
we we try and get together at least once a year and we'll pick
a theme. So this year it was second
edition 40K and it was like, we're there all week and it's
like a house. There's like, I think this year
there were ten of us super fun time.
But like day two of the week my wife called me and she was like,
Yo, you could, you got to come home.
And I kind of knew like before I left, I was, I told my buddy
that I drove up with, I was like, I just hope he makes it
till I get back, you know. But it was, so that was, that
was like an extra buzzkill. So when I saw your, your video,
I was like, man, that just, is that like totally helped me
'cause I was that like a really kind of like shitty, like beyond
down in the dumps kind of like feeling, you know, like my hobby
was, yeah, I was just like, fuck, man, I don't want to do
nothing. So, but so that was awesome.
I appreciate you for that, good Sir.
No, mate, that's, that's fine, mate.
I, I, I felt really sorry for that, for that to happen to you.
I've, you know, I've, I've also lost a dog when I was in my
teenage years. I'll never forget it.
It's a really heartbreaking moment when you lose that
beautiful, beautiful spirit animal in your in your home.
And he was. He was.
Definitely my spirit animal dude.
Yeah, man, yeah. I love dogs, man.
I love them. I love them, you know, I just
love animals generally. But yeah, having, and I haven't,
have never had a dog since. And my son now really wants a
dog. And my, I know my wife would
love a dog. And so eventually we're going
to, we're going to, you know, take the next step of getting a
dog eventually. Is this what kind of dog?
My my son loves the small little yappy dogs, which I don't
particularly like. No, 'cause I I had a shepherd
too, when I was young, A beautiful.
Yeah, big. You want a dog?
A German Shepherd, I want a big dog, mate, but not, you know,
not too big because, you know, they're bit sort of very hard to
manage, especially in Japan here, but sort of a sort of a
mid sized dog. I, yeah, I think that sort of
appeals to me. But yeah, I'm looking forward to
that time too, because I'm, I'm fortunate I can work from home.
So now it's doable. It's, it's, I don't want my dog
to be constrained to a leash outside.
I want him to have, have a lot of freedom and have a good life.
And also, yeah, we want to have one like I did as a kid, you
know, growing up, having a dog, it gives you, your kids some
responsibility of, you know, taking that for walks, feeding
them, looking after them, playing with them.
Yeah. You're you're optimistic, my
man. I don't know my kids.
My my kids ain't help shit. So, well, that'll be the deal,
mate. That'll be the deal I make with
my boys, say well, yeah, OK, we'll get this dog.
But this is it, mate. This is, you know, we can't
bring him back. If you got to look after him,
you got to feed him and play with him and you know, it's,
it's it, you know, you have to do this.
It's like contractual thing, you know?
So yeah, no, that's good. But I, I did enjoy those videos,
man. There was some amazing armies on
that. Yeah, yeah, the boys.
The boys don't mess around, that's for sure.
That's for sure. Those are all guys I've known
now. Gosh, probably 20, almost 2520,
thirty years, close to about like right around.
I met most of those guys right after college.
I, I met a bunch of them, I think it at AGTI met one of them
and then we just instantly clicked and like hung out and
then I, you know, threw him. There were a bunch of Co
workers. A lot of those dudes all used to
work at Games Workshop back in the day up in Baltimore.
A bunch of them were on the black Gabo web team and then
there were other dudes that were on the white dwarf team.
So they're all, they're all crazy, you know what I mean?
They're all die hard hobbyists guys.
So their talent is just amazing. They like I am without a doubt
the least hobby talented out of like that whole and when it
comes to painting and everything out of the whole crew.
Which for a while I was like not really cool with but then I was
like what the fuck why am I like why do I even care because I can
hold my own when I try. My problem is I'm usually all
over the place. Like I'll be painting like right
now when I look over, I got some battle tech Max, some Legion
imperialist stuff, some old school foundry Cowboys, like
just random, you know, it's it's like how it is here in the
dungeon. It's just whatever, whatever I'm
feeling, you know, so. Yeah, do what you feel, as you
say, but that's good. I like that.
I like that sort of shotgun mentality.
Like it's just like all these different games, all these
different miniatures, you always tend to find a box of old hammer
stuff somewhere. Oh, buddy, I got you're right.
Now it's like the last month and a half, it's been so cold here,
like unseasonably cold in most of America, I believe.
But at least in Washington, DC, it's been ridiculous.
And we got some crazy snowstorm with like ice mixed in and we're
like 3 inches of sleep. So like, you couldn't do shit
for like a week and a half. And my family was actually in
Florida and they got stuck there.
So DB had the house to himself. No kids for like a week and a
half. I dug in the crates.
There are many treasures that I have found.
I mean, there's stuff that you'll you'll appreciate.
And then there's there's a ton of non like games workshop stuff
too. But there's definitely some
stuff that's right up your alley.
Dude that I'm. Cool.
Well, I look forward to those. If you ever do videos on those,
I'd love to see that because I really, yeah, they're, they're
some of my favorites, mate. The the the little showcases of
stuff you found in figure cases or in boxes.
Oh yeah? Well, there's there's plenty of
those. I I think he even had some 4th
edition Britannians there. Third edition. 4th Edition.
Britannians. Oh yeah, I have.
See, that's another thing that I, that's I, I'm not good at is
I'll break out an old army case. Like for example, those
Britannians. I I showed some old metal
Spearman, I think, and maybe some other stuff, But like I
have a whole, I have two whole Britannian armies from back in
the day and and I meant to probably show most of them off,
but then, you know, something happens or the kids are down
here. So I put stuff away and then I
never, never get back to it. But I have AI have a ton of old
Britannians. So going all the way back to
when I was like probably 12 or 13, like I don't, I never really
threw anything out. I kind of just kept it and moved
house and then fortunately my parents have lived in the same
house for like the last 40 years.
So a lot of stuff stayed there up until like I was probably
maybe when I hit 30, I went back and I tried to get everything,
but then I realized my brother had sold a bunch of shit.
So that kind of was disappointing, but yeah, all my
old epic stuff he like sold on eBay and all kinds of crazy
stuff like that. So yeah, it was.
But I, I pretty much ever since like I was 12 or 13, like I've
just been hardcore, you know? So it's interesting though I
don't like I don't follow new Games Workshop stuff.
Like I'll watch, I'll watch the website or whatever, but I don't
really buy a whole lot of stuff anymore.
But I do buy miniatures. Do you know what I mean?
Like, so I'll buy older stuff. Like like recently I bought a
bunch of old miniatures. I bought a bunch of ogres.
I think I got a video on that coming up soon.
All like Morgan Thorg and all those guys.
Classic, classic ogres. I completed my set of those
finally. But yeah, it's, I don't know,
Love the hobby, man, Love the hobby.
I know that much. Yeah.
We can feel the energy, mate, and when you're watching videos,
that's for sure. So let's go back.
You mentioned you discovered the hobby run away when you're 13 or
so. How did that sort of come about?
Oh, plastic army men to Dungeons and Dragons.
You know, keep on the Borderlands, that kind of stuff.
And then Dragon Magazine to a picture, I can still remember it
to this day, picture color ad in Dragon magazine for Citadel
dwarfs. And I was like, Oh my God, these
are awesome. And it was, you know, the color
plate with all the name dwarf characters and everything.
And after that, like I just tried to find them, which was
the problem back then, you know. And eventually I figured out
White Dwarf, got a couple copies of like an old White Dwarf
somehow, and one of them had a list of like stockists.
And I found the place called the Game Room in Woodbridge, NJ,
which was probably like an hour and a half from my house.
And I just begged my dad to take me there.
And eventually he acquiesced. And it was all downhill from
there, man. But I remember that day, like,
you know, piling in the red station wagon with like, my
brother and two of my other buddies and saving up our money
and just going in there and seeing like, all the regiments
of renowned box sets on the wall and everything.
Like, my mind was fucking blown, dude.
I was. And then ever since then, it's
never stopped. And it's gotten worse, probably.
I'd say so. But.
Yeah, so and then and then it's like always, I'm just like when
I was a kid, my grandfather was like the dude I looked up to and
he was a World War 2 Navy guy. So it was like, you know, board
games and war games and access and allies and all those kind of
things. And then it was, you know, I
realized that like, not only could you play DND with like
miniatures, but like Warhammer was like, I could have my whole
whole army like Lord of the Rings.
Like, this is insane. Like, yeah.
And then it was, it was all in ever since then, man, so.
Brilliant, that's nice mate. Now, yeah, I'm looking at your
wonderful games room here because I can see lots of books
and games on the shelf that you probably covered over the the
the course of your channel. Oh, let let me have a look mate.
I'll that's. Just one wall, dude.
It's a lot bigger than I thought.
I thought it'd be a lot smaller than this, but it's a big place.
It's a big, big. Basement I live in a row house,
so I don't know if they, they have those like I don't know
they, they've got tiny houses in Japan, but for America it's, you
know, it's a it's a small house. My house is 16 foot wide, right?
So, but it's it's very narrow, but it the entire basement is
stuffed full of games except for, you know, the couch right
there right now I'm set up on the game table and then upstairs
there's the in the first floor. The wife initially said I
couldn't have anything up there, right?
It's got to be a hidden kind of like she don't want to entertain
people around the. World.
Right. So, but there is a built in
bookshelf that runs the length of the wall up there.
And like she doesn't know it, but all the nice looking
Warhammer books, they're up there like all the Forge World
black books and all that kind of stuff.
And then under, you know, under our bed is probably another 40
board games or whatever. And then the attic is entirely
stuffed full of just Tupperwares, man.
It's, it's ridiculous. A ton of it's painted.
I'm, I do have a shit ton of pile of shame, like grey models,
but like the majority of my stuff is painted.
So yeah, that's, that's my one big thing.
I try like I'm very cognizant of trying not to play with the
unpainted models for the most part.
Like I'll play against people with unpainted models, but like
I feel like to do that is a disservice, like not only to the
hobby, but like to yourself because it's like the like you
lose some of the I don't know if immersion is the right word or
whatnot, but I'm I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking about.
Like it's you look at something and you see even if the armies
are painted like average, right? You see two armies painted
average on a nice table. It looks phenomenal versus, you
know, one army that's good and and you know, that one that's
primed or whatever. Like you're like, what's that?
So I'm very cognizant about that.
So yeah, but the dungeon, the dungeon is chock full of shit,
man. Everything I'm touching,
touching all the bases, historicals, GW stuff, board
games, yeah, cards, magic cards, you name it.
So I know definitely not as clean and as organized as your
area my friend. Well, I don't know about that,
but it does need a spring cleaning.
I'm, I'm just looking at new cabinets at the moment on Amazon
to get another cabinet to put on top of this one so I can
actually start putting more miniatures in there because I've
run out of space. Which is probably a good thing
because yeah, I've, I've now maximized all of my painting
shell space. So I need more shell space to
put more painted models in there.
So that is a good thing actually.
In a way, yeah. It's not necessarily.
No, no, not at all. Not at all, mate.
So I'm pretty happy about that. But yeah, I mean, I've, yeah,
I'm in a tiny little room, maybe just like 1/4 of what your smoke
dungeon. What the diabetes is?
But you know, I manage with what I've got to facilitate every,
all the terrain and painted models and everything like that
as best I can. So let's get back to, I want to
ask you a question. What, what are you?
What are you? Could you, I know you cover lots
of different things on your channel.
What is peak Warhammer for you? What, what era are we talking
about? That's peak for you.
Oh gosh, for for fantasy, it's going to be third third edition
Fantasy Battle Warhammer Army's book and then bleed over into
the next edition, which I'm pretty sure is 4th, which would
be like Thorin grudge bearer in the like the dwarf throne.
Is that that's 4th edition right?
It's all in this glorious book, mate.
Yeah, I got I got mine right here, dude, I got mine right
here. So that would be that would be
my peak, what I would think is the best.
I mean, I don't know, like I rules wise and all that crap, I
don't want to argue about that. But like when I think of
Warhammer, that's kind of what I think of a lot.
Even though I will say that time there was a switchover from like
I feel like third edition was a very dark version of Warhammer
and then 4th edition was more cartoony or or what not, at
least to me personally. And I still enjoy both of those.
And I feel that that is when Warhammer was like kind of at
its best early. 90s yeah, I think we're on the same page,
mate. We're probably at the same very
similar age anyway. But yeah, this is like, I know
what you mean. Third edition.
I admire it for it's, it's certain quality that it had,
like in terms of just the the presentation that it had and the
stylization. Yeah, the the artists were just
incredible off the charts. I think that's a large part of
it, Josh, is that like at that point, at least in my life, like
looking at that art, you know, we, we had trouble digesting the
rules and all that kind of stuff and just kind of did our, you
know, the best we could. But every day, like, you know,
we if we played, we might get into an argument with one
another or whatever, but you still went back and you looked
at that book and you like daydreamed about, you know, God,
I wish I could make a Nippon army with temple dogs or like,
you know what I mean, just crazy stuff like that.
And it was be I'm almost positive it's because of the
art. So, you know, and I played a lot
of rogue trader. We played a lot of Rogue Trader
and, and so when I think of 40 Ki kind of think Rogue Trader
2nd edition, but I also bleed in the that one.
I bleed into third edition 2, which is was like the Rhino rush
edition I think. So I kind of cause at that time
I was, I was playing tournaments then.
Which? I like, yeah, I don't know.
I mean, they were like Baltimore GT, things like that.
So I would, I would go to those and, and in the states we had, I
guess they were called Rogue Trader tournaments.
They were like independent tournaments.
I would do those at my local and then me and a couple of buddies
would travel to like wherever another buddy originally grew
up. You know, we'd go there and play
there, get smashed and at some bar and then, you know, do that
kind of thing. So that's that's peak Warhammer
for me. Dude.
Is that in like second edition Blood Bowl, I guess would be
another big one for me. Played a lot of Blood Bowl as a
kid. Yeah.
And, and like, literally we played like every.
The only game I didn't play when I was a kid for the most part
was we didn't really play a lot of Necromunda, but we played
literally. I played everything out like Man
of War, Space Hulk, you name it. So and I had a bunch of bunch of
armies like when I was a kid, it was funny.
We used to play third edition fantasy battle in my parents
basement and there would be like four of us.
We would play on like this 8 by 4 piece of plywood.
And the last time I was at my mom's house, I found a picture
of like me and another guy. He had Wood elves and I had
Brutonians and, and all this. And we were doing like the Andy
Chambers, you know, like the pictures from Warhammer armies
and stuff. That's like what we were trying
to do. I was like, God, man, even when
we were like 13 with it was just, yeah, brilliant.
So it's just, it's wild. So.
Yeah, that's awesome. But.
But yeah, those early early 90s are probably peak Warhammer for
me I feel. Yeah, not to, I feel like a lot
of it changed when Lord of the Rings came out, if I'm honest,
but I don't, you know, like a, a lot of the, the focus and
everything came off of that. So.
But I've always as far as like miniature games and stuff go
like I've always kind of played World War Two games as well and
just like board games and stuff like that.
And what I really enjoy, and I know you, you like them too, are
the old Games Workshop like Shelf games or, or you know,
like Dungeon Quest Dragon, like those kind of things, dude, like
that. That's my other wheelhouse.
Or like Armageddon or Horse Heresy, like those things.
They get, they get the juices flowing.
So even though they they, they hold out, but they're not, you
know, as far as war games go or whatever, they're not that
great. So, but I think they're awesome,
so. Yeah, I've got to admit I'm
really enjoying my soul. I'm doing a solo campaign of
advance here request, which is my sort of gateway into old
hammer because I did have the 3rd edition book from Lamar, 3rd
3rd edition fantasy. But again, it was such a complex
beast. I mean, I can't work it out like
someone who's never played a war game before.
That's quite a, that's quite an, you know, a something you need
to go to college for or something to learn.
The very hefty. Term the hefty term it's got a
bit of heft to it that's for sure yeah it's pretty pretty
intimidating but we we did try I had some smart Norwegian guys
who sort of who picked up the bull said Oh yeah we can play
this and they they played it for me and showed me how to play it
but yeah but, but 4th edition was like the I call it the age
of enlightenment. I think we came out of the the
glory dark days of Blanche's envisionment of Warhammer, and
we came into this new new age where Bill King took the stories
and made characters and they just, yeah, just turned the
contrast up to to 11. And you've got this new version
of Warhammer with all the cards and stuff like that.
That's really my sort of the 1st.
Set of Black Library books too. I felt like like Wolf Riders by
Bill King. Yeah, the Felix and Go trick
story. I read the cover off of that man
like nobody's business, but I had that one.
I had, I think I had Drakenfelds and a couple of those that were,
you know, the original Space Marine one or whatever.
I mean, Wolf riders was the one that I loved, like Felix and go
Track where just I mean, when you're a kid and they come out
and you're you've been reading D&D stories and stuff and then
it's like a whole nother level, you're like, yes, please, I'll
take that. So.
I'd I'd recommend if you haven't seen it yet is Bill King's
interview with Film Deck Miniatures.
Oh, Oh, yeah, that's that's one of the few, few Youtubes that I
do watch because it's it's interesting just because he
pretty much just lets him go and I like that.
Tom-tom is great. I really like him.
I had him on the podcast too. I found him a really nice guy.
And I like, I find his interviews very genuine and, and
I like it that he sort of just stands off and he just lets them
talk and I like that, you know, so you just get to hear their,
their story, their, their thoughts and that kind of thing.
But yeah, Bills, the interview was good because he talks about
the obviously Godric and Felix a lot as his favorite kind of
characters that he developed and wrote about.
But of course, a lot of stuff he just can't remember because it's
such a long time ago. Well, yeah, I mean, that's I, I
can only imagine because I have trouble, you know, use.
I used to remember it all and now even I'm just like what?
Who? So I mean, I could only imagine
somebody like that that writes so many stories or or whatnot.
You know, just keeping the adventures straight in your head
is a lot. So Yep, that's right mate.
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What are you? What are you drinking tonight?
Oh, I have dude. It's it's what is it?
It's almost 10:00 here I am. This is actually an apple juice,
believe it or not dude. Oh, good.
OK, I thought. BB doesn't drink anymore.
I don't drink anymore. It's been DB was DB was bad.
I, I was bad for a long time. And I, I talked about that in
some of my some of my videos. I don't know if I have recently
or not, but 'cause I, it's not like a thing where I like to
make people feel some kind of way about it.
I don't know. But like, I haven't had a drink
for over 10 years, 'cause I was. Oh, wow, yeah, I was, it was
pretty much that. And some other things were
pretty much more important to me at certain times in my life than
like anything else. And then I finally got a, got a
hold on it, you know, and. After.
You prevails or whatever you would say so, but it's strangely
enough I, I mean, I work at a bar now like I was an accountant
for years, but now since I've had kids, I, I work day bar,
which everyone finds ironic 'cause you know when you're
there people, people want to buy you a drink or whatever.
And I'm just like, Nah, it's cool.
Don't worry about it. And they're like, you know, does
it bother you to be around? I'm like, no, you're paying me,
so I'm OK I. Don't know.
I did. I did pick up that because I, I
did, you know, obviously having followed your channel and
watching, going back and watching some of the older
videos, I did pick up that you worked at the bar and I think I
did pick up that you hadn't, or you stopped drinking or
something like that. So thank you very, very much for
being honest about that mate, because I know some people that
for that. I mean, you know, people look at
me and think I'm a complete piss head and they're probably right.
You know, I do. I do enjoy, I do enjoy a drink.
But I never, when I was young, I didn't drink at all, didn't
drink at all. I couldn't stand the stuff.
I thought it was absolutely disgusting.
I thought that the smell and taste of beer was like puke.
I thought, how can anybody drink this shit?
It's terrible. And look at that, he's a whiskey
guy now. Every Friday, you and Gork are.
Yeah, that's it. Yeah, nothing wrong as long as
you do it if you as long as you got responsibility.
And but I know, I know there are some pitfalls for anything like
that, any kind of substance that that, you know, and I used to
enjoy the old wacky backy mate. I I love the wacky backy.
I thought I was never going to stop wacky backy.
But then a bit of clarity, I think, you know, took hold and I
thought, you know, I can't be a Stoner for the rest of my life.
I think I'd better just start growing up and taking things
seriously. But I enjoyed it while I did it.
It was nice. It was great.
Yeah, well, I I still enjoy that so.
Mate, you should do enjoy it. I wish I could, you know, I I
wish I could. I think my wife will definitely
kill me, you know, But yeah. And I enjoyed the cigarettes.
I I smoked every day. I loved it.
I thought, I can't give this up. I fucking love it mate.
Every time I did, I mean, I've been, I mean, I don't even, I've
been smoking for like 30 some years now and it's I think about
quitting and I feel like every time I think about quitting, I
end up smoking more. So I you know, I don't, I don't
know. So I know it's, you know, I'm
not dumb. I know what, what it does to me
and everything. And I got kids and I think about
all that, you know, all that shit.
Usually I start thinking about that shit and then I'm like God
damn, I need a cigarette so. Like you say, you do as you feel
and like you did one day you might just because I think
that's what happened to me. Like one day I thought, yeah,
this is, you know, a stink and it doesn't smell good.
I mean, I was teaching in, in a, in a school and I thought I was
teaching kids and I thought, this is not a good thing.
I've got to stop. I've got to put up either.
Got to say, OK, I'm going to smoke when I go, when I drive
home. Because that was the thing I
really enjoyed the most is driving, driving, listening to
music at night and smoking on the way home.
Beautiful. I loved it.
I absolutely loved it. I mean, it's really hard to give
up. It's, it's funny because when I
was a kid I hated, hated cigarettes, man.
My, my best friend's mom would like sit in the living room and
smoke like all day long. And I'd go over there and play
and hang out and like play Nintendo and stuff and come home
and just be wreaking. Or like I'd go to my
grandparents house and they, you know, they were born in 1910.
So they're like cigarettes were medicine and I was I think I was
14 when my grand 13 or 14. I cut my grandfather's grass and
he handed me a pack of non filtered Pall Malls.
You know, that was like payment. So which went over like a lead
balloon with my mother. But you know that.
So that's like and I hated cigarette.
But then, you know, I guess Christ, sometime in high school
I started smoking and I just, yeah, that's one, that's one
thing I haven't given up yet, but hopefully one day.
You enjoy it for me, mate, You enjoy it for me because I'll.
Do my best for now, Josh. I love this.
I love the smell of it. I usually like stand near people
who's smoking because I just love inhaling that that
beautiful, that beautiful smell. I fucking hate that smell.
I smoke, I smoke like 1/2 a pack of cigarettes a day and like
somebody smoked a cigarette next to me and I'm like, get the fuck
away from me. Like I said, I'm a I'm a
conundrum there, but you. Know.
Yeah, no, that's good, mate. That's good, but OK, let's let's
get it back on track. We, we sort of diverge a little
bit there. Sorry that that was all my fault
too, but that what, what? What games do you enjoy playing
now like these days? Oh well I'll tell you what, like
in October I played a game of at at our get together.
I played a game of 2nd edition and that was the first game of
2nd edition. I probably played in at least
like 5 or 6 years and I had I had a blast.
I loved it. It was, it was, I mean it was
typical second edition wackiness, you know, shooting a
multi melta and it blew up all four of my terminators and one
one shot, you know, and I was like, OK, let's we're playing, I
think 1500 points. I was like, well, that's, that's
like half my army right there. So cool, you know, that kind of
thing, goofy psychic powers and you know all that kind of stuff.
So that one I really enjoyed. But currently I guess GW games
I've been playing with my brother, I've been playing a
bunch of legions, Imperialis, the new epic.
I really enjoy that one. We got a we actually have a
third edition match scheduled for over spring break for the
kids. So that that way hopefully we'll
get a get a little action. He's going to be undead.
I'm going to he doesn't know it yet, but I'm going to go chaos
on him, get a little cast worth bazooka and all the the old good
stuff on him. My buddies are my buddies are
hot in the man of war the last couple of probably the last 18
months. So I'm going to go visit one of
my buddies actually couple weeks and play some epic hail Caesar.
But he has I'm going to while I'm up there.
I'm going to take, I think I'm going to try and sneak a video
'cause I'm staying at his house. So maybe after he goes to sleep,
I'll take a video of his, his man of war stuff for you and
I'll, I'll, I'll do ADB sneaking out, doing some man of war
because his stuff is absolutely phenomenal.
It's the dude, the same guy who's slanish army I showed off.
Oh yeah. Wow.
Yeah, it was fantastic. Yeah.
So his Man of War stuff is, is
that level? It's it's pretty ridiculous.
So I'm I'm going up there in a few weeks to battle his Romans.
So those are that. And then I think I've been into,
I've been into Cowboys recently. I don't know if you're familiar
with Legends of the Old West, Warhammer historicals.
I've heard of it. I've heard of it.
I was really big into all the Warhammer historical stuff
because I when I went to college I was an ancient history, got my
degree in ancient history and classical mythologies and went
on to become an accountant. So you know there's hope for you
all. As you do, yeah.
Yeah, exactly. I made my way up to CFO with
with a bullshit history degree. So you know, but I'm, I'm really
into the Warhammer historical like Gladiator and all that kind
of stuff. Just 'cause it, it scratches
both itches for me. And we've been, there's been a
lot of talk amongst the guys recently about Cowboys.
So I got out all my Legends of the Old West stuff.
But we're going to, we're going to do it up a notch.
They'll be, you know, Comanches turning into sasquatches and all
kinds of crazy, craziness. So it'll be like Cowboys with
magic or whatever. But recently that's, yeah,
that's what I've, that's what I've been into a bunch of that.
And then buying old hammer adjacent miniatures like Asgard
miniatures, older stuff like that, or Tim Prowse stuff like
his chaos, his chaos. What are they the I guess
they're called chaos Marauders, but like that are all very much
old. They got that old vibe going on
like that. That's the kind of stuff I've
been buying recently and trying to paint.
So a little complex 47 too, but I know that's not your not your
wheelhouse either, so. Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's it's
it's good that it's out. Like I like I said to many
people, like I don't it doesn't worry me what people are
playing. The the fact that people are
actually committing to play a game or buy something and paint
the miniatures and play a daily golf game.
That's that's the that's that's great.
I mean, it's still going. I mean, it's wonderful because
sometimes I think, you know, maybe because I think a lot of
topics come up like this, you know, is the is the war gaming
seen sort of fading away and, you know, is there a generation
to follow up on our in our in our footsteps to take it over?
I think if you look at a lot of those war game shows, there are
a lot of young people there engaged with historical gaming
with all types of these home brew, not home brew, but, but
what do you call indie games and that kind of things?
Yeah, there's still a lot of people out there doing it, you
know? I feel a lot of it just from
being in it, you know, the majority of my life.
My my philosophy is that it, it all comes full, full circle,
right. So it's like you might start
with Warhammer, but one day each and every one of us like more
you get more appealing to be those two old guys sitting in
the corner of the gaming hall playing some weird ass game that
like, you know, only they play that they paint their miniatures
or whatever like. That I feel like that comes for
us all one day. You know, I used to go to
Historicon and all these conventions and like laugh and,
you know, make fun. And then now that's now that's
that's me and my buddy. I'll be up in his basement
pushing around tiny Carthaginians, you know, like
it's, you know, but I still like, that being said, I still
always come back to like old, old Warhammer stuff for like
older D&D that, that period, you know, the, the early 90s, late
80s, Like I always just the appeal was there, you know?
Yeah, yeah, the I've I've I've started watch you start a
falling guy on YouTube. This just covers Dragon Lance
for like AD and D OK, which is amazing.
I love all the art. I don't really, you know, I'm
I'm not a big role. Larry Ellmore.
Yeah, Larry Elmore. And who was the other artist who
did a lot of stuff there, too? What?
Was it? Is it Parkinson?
Is it? Keith, I forget the other
person. Anyhow, I used to buy calendars
and stuff back in the 90s of that because.
I just. Oh yeah, dude.
Love will be out there for that. I love it, but I even bought the
relpath a set of figures for the Forgotten.
Sorry for Dragonlance, we had all the characters in the main
books. I've read all the books that
that's been, I don't know how many books are in that series.
Was a huge amount of books for Dragon Lance.
Yeah, and I, I read, I read a bunch of those like Huma and
then the the Dragons trilogy with, with tennis and Sturm and
all those dudes. I can only, I can only wish they
made ATV series on that. If they did that for Dragon,
like for Game of Thrones, but did that for the Dragon Lance
saga, man, that would be just incredible.
I couldn't. Yeah, that'd be my dream, you
master. Cody and all that guys.
Yeah, yeah, it would be yeah, that'd be in yeah.
There's a there's a good there's the Dragon Lands cartoon.
I think I made my kids watch it. They were.
It's. Yeah, that's right.
I found it on YouTube. It was, it was pretty haggard,
you know, but whatever. I was like, kids watch this.
They were, you know, they were, they were somewhat enthralled.
And then they were like, yeah, there's not enough Dragons.
It's like, all right, sorry. But that's when that's when they
had the the Dragon King. What were they called again?
Those dragon guys? Oh, the Draconians.
Draconians. Yeah, they're the real bad ass
lizardman because Lizardman in in fantasy I couldn't get
behind. But these guys, they are scary.
They're scary as fuck. Yeah.
Even when they died they did like crazy shit like turn to
stone. Right.
That's right. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
They were cool, Yeah. I really like, I play, I played
a ton of D&D as a kid, so and, and up until, up until COVID,
during COVID, we were like playing on, on zoom or whatever.
And then it just kind of, you know, petered out or whatever.
Yeah, I love old. Dragon Lance.
It's good stuff. That's correct.
Yeah, that's good. All right.
What? What's your?
Favorite game dude? My favorite game.
Yeah. I think it's going to be
probably around. I think Epic Space Marine would
be my favorite 90s Games Workshop game that I played the
most that I still enjoy playing and we've played in a heartbeat.
But but recently, like in terms of like new games, I've got Test
of Honor, which I really found to be an absolute gem of a game.
I as I'm not a big skirmish player, but I really enjoyed
that for the theme and for the actual gameplay itself.
I I found that really, really I can come back to every time.
So that man of War I really love.
I think that's a a great treasure of a game that I I
didn't play back in that I know a.
Lot of people, a lot of people say Man of War might be like, I
mean, I don't necessarily feel this way, but I know several
people that are the opinion of that.
That's probably one of the best, if not the best, Games Workshop
game. Yep, it's, it's really good.
I really, I, I feel very blessed that I could find a cop here in
Japan and, and some fleets and got into it and really, you
know, that, that, that was just awesome.
And, and, and I've, I've happily decided I've converted a lot of
people into meta war through playing remote games over COVID
and stuff like that. They're going to buy it, bought
a set and got their fleets and stuff like that.
So that's been fantastic. So there's a real treasure in
that and I love I love the board games like here request.
I've always loved dungeon crawling type games.
So advanced here request really enjoyed that.
I've recently discovered Wham a quest, which is a bit of a gem
of a game too. Some sort of about that bit
more. Yeah, it's about the road to
travel down, though. I think it is too, yes, that's
we're dabbling, as you say, dabbling.
But thankfully a friend of mine, he's got a a full set we can
enjoy playing and we can pick that up.
But I think, yeah, I think for me, Epic, mate, Epic is the
heart and soul of 90s gaming for me.
I think I played that because Warhammer, as much as I love
Warhammer 4th edition, I just never had the I just couldn't
get the models or have had the armies that I really wanted.
It was such an enormous investment, whereas Epic was a
way of getting a whole box full of plastic minis, much like the
much like those like the games you're collecting now that
you're playing in the Epic scale for all games very much, you
just get a whole. Bunch of stuff in the box right
there. That's it.
And you've got really the rules weren't so complicated, whereas
Wama. Would became.
You know, became a bit more complicated and I had a regular
person playing with me. So we we just really got into
that and we played with different armies and we played
it every weekend religiously, you know.
So yeah, that's and I still, and when I came back to it many
years later, I picked it up and thought, yeah, this is still in
a fantastic game. It wasn't, it wasn't rose tinted
glasses so much it, it was a really fantastic system, you
know, and yeah. I still remember those those old
pictures. They were in White Dwarf, but
one of them might have been in the Space Marine rule book where
it was like it. It was probably like the first
time that I really thought about perspective from like a diorama
and they used like the little epic dudes in the background and
then there were like 328 mil sized space marines, like
looking down at them or something.
Do you remember that? I mean, that's, that's pretty,
it's pretty specific, but I, I mean, I, I distinctly remember
like that picture from like a white dwarf and it, that was
another thing that just, I was just like, Holy, this is so
cool. Like you can do so much with
this. Yes, you can, you can, you can.
And, and, and you get that real sense of a grand scale army
battle, much like, much like the game I saw you play with your
brother there when you're playing the new, new version of
it. Yeah, that's, that's the one,
the one game nowadays that that I still did, I follow like
releases for or, or what not would be the the new epic.
And it's not, you know, it's not the greatest game, but to me
it's, it's scratches, scratches that itch, you know, And then
another part of it is my brother will play it.
So that's like, you know, I don't get to see him that much
anymore. But like, when I do, I know,
like what we can get a game in then that's 'cause he's, he's a
strange bird. But yeah, he won't do multiple,
multiple systems or whatever really.
So it's like, you pick one thing and that's like what he's going
to have time to do And, and he'll do it.
But yeah, whereas me, I'm, I'm shotgun, you know, you, you say
anything and I'm like, hell yeah, I'll, I'll give that a go.
I'll paint something up. Let's do it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's good, mate.
Yeah, that's half the thing. Like, you know, if you've got
someone to play with, that's half the battle sometimes.
Because otherwise you're investing all that time and
painting and playing and you know, like you want to play it,
you want to play, you know, because that's, that's the most
because that's what, that's why I get a lot of fun out of this,
the social aspect of playing games.
So with Warhammer, we're playing Warhammer Renaissance, which is
like a 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th edition combination of all those
things, but hard. It's hard.
It's like 4th edition and we get a lot of fun playing the game,
socializing when we get together and all that kind of thing.
So that's, that's a big part of it and getting to the theme of,
you know, painting our armies and, and all that.
So the hobby side of things, I think Warhammer is my #1 you
know, for actual painting, collect collecting as a like
epic is a totally different thing, totally different
prospect in terms of painting. It's a bit of a chore.
But with Warhammer, with that scale, you get a real sense of,
you know, this is a real accomplishment, painting an
entire army. Oh, yeah.
You know, that rule says less is
less is more. With the tiny stuff, Josh, less
is more. Yeah, that's.
True, you can just dabble, you know, you know and so there's
deep apply painting the Titans or I love I love chaos or all
the all the primarks and demons are awesome the the vehicles and
stuff like that. But the infantry is like, yeah,
I just want to get all that stuff ready and done and get out
of the way and get to the good stuff.
I go to highlight where's, where's those engines of corn?
Yeah, yeah. Exactly, exactly, my friend.
I mean, the hobby, like the just the community aspect of the
hobby is that's why I started my channel in the beginning.
Strangely enough, well, or not strangely enough, I don't know,
but was because we would, all my friends and I, everybody had
basically moved far enough away where we wouldn't see each other
on a regular basis. And we would do these hobby we
had like I think it was, it might have been Google plus or
something through Gmail. And we would just post like what
we were working on and people would post just pictures or a
quick video. And it was like a closed group
of, of us for the most part. And people would put up
challenges. They would be like, you know,
let's everybody paint like a dreadnought or something and
people would do that and share their progress and everything.
And then eventually they took Google plus away or whatever.
So my, my friends switched platforms and me being the
Luddite that I am, I was like, Yo, I don't have time to learn
that. I'm not going to deal with that.
What I'm going to do is just do my own thing down here in the
dungeon and I'm a record it and then I'm a just post it on
YouTube. Here's the link to my YouTube
channel. You guys can come, come check
out my progress and because I couldn't be, I couldn't be asked
to like join this new, you know, download this app or whatever,
whatever it was. And and I kind of did it as like
a joke, right? Like it's just like, here's, you
know, me talking shit and painting down in the dungeon.
And then I enjoyed it, right? So I was like, yo, I actually
like, I get something out of this.
So I'm gonna just keep doing it. And like they would text me or
whatever and, and be like, you know, I watched your video.
It's hilarious. And it's, it's like, I'm just
down there painting. I'm like, OK, whatever, dude.
So, and then that's, that's what it was.
And then, you know, like I was like, whatever, I'm going to
show some magic cards or whatever, I'm going to do this.
And then it just, you know, it grew from there organically.
It's, it's still pretty much the same thing as you know, but like
strangely enough, the, the having people to, to interact
with or whatnot was when I left that close group of friends.
That's what I mean. I didn't leave them, but I left
that social circle of interaction online and I just
made my own and was like, you guys, you know, stop by and
visit when you want. But I'm not, I'm not going to
your party. So.
But that's, yeah. And then from there it grows.
I mean, they're all still my great friends.
And, you know, they're strangely enough, they still have that
same thing. And they'll they'll text me and
they'll be like, hey, you know, you didn't paint any vehicles
this month. And I'm just like, whatever,
dude, I'm doing what I feel. So.
But that's, you know, as long as you have somebody to play with,
I feel like that's also that's how you break like a lot of the
negativity in the hobby just in general of like the miniature
hobby that I ever am exposed to is all about like, you know,
buying new books or new versions of rules and all these things.
Like you don't need that. All you need is one other dude
to be into the same thing you're into.
And like, you know, if you're, if you're an older person at
least and you have all these things already or what not, like
just find somebody, man. It's, it ain't that hard.
Like Christ, most dudes our age would like kill to hang out
with, you know, no kids and just chill for a few hours pushing,
pushing dice and everything. So I don't know, I, I, I, I
don't like that that's like constantly pushed upon people,
you know, and I guess I'm lucky enough that I have all the older
stuff and I don't really buy new rule books or like, you know, I
don't know what edition 40K is on anymore.
Like, who cares? You know, I have, I got 5
editions of it already. Why do I need, you know, and I
think it's, it takes people a while to to realize that, right?
And that's, you know, but all you need is a friend and then
Christ, I'm a perfect example. I play games by myself down here
in the dungeon. You know, you don't, even if
you're sad enough, you don't, you don't need a friend.
You know you just need a will. Yeah, that's it, right?
That's it. That's that's very true, mate.
I I totally wholeheartedly agree with that.
And yeah, you just need that. You just need the other half of
the games table or in in your case, or in my case sometimes,
yeah, doing it solo. And there's some good and I, I
require enjoy recording my solo adventures of adventure requests
and uploading that to be able to watch and enjoy me swearing at
my dice and that kind of thing. That's always.
Fun. Man, Yeah, that's it, That's it,
you know? I did notice your last one you
you wrote the there were a lot of ones getting rolled there for
the works. They were.
Yes, they were well.
Gaffraff put you to the sword there, My.
Yeah, that was a really fun that was probably my because second
edition I didn't really play much in in the 90s and when I
came back from the Uki started playing chaos back then.
I I really wanted that demons army, you know like the
Minotaur, the the chaos warriors beastman.
I mean I. Hate those minotaur models but
like I love just minotaurs in a minotaurs in a sci-fi chaos
army. Like that part to me is a it's
aces right there. So even if your models are like
I mean yours were painted phenomenal.
I just don't like those sculpts. I know what you mean.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, I don't know.
I just see minotaurs in that, you know, and I'm like, hell
yeah. And like the chaos champion
model with the blood letterhead, all that stuff, man, that like
that just yeah. So good.
So free. Talking about minotaurs, you
probably know this one the very first because when I first
discovered metal miniatures and a little comic story, now Mall
had a stand, but you could buy like Marauder miniatures and
settled miniatures. I bought a Minotaur that was
like a Minotaur Lord, which came in two parts. 1 was the legs and
the other one was the torso. And the torso is like shaped so
it's crouching over 2 swords. Oh yeah, on the other side maybe
you know, the one where you can visually picture it because it's
like when I was iconic minotaur designs.
Yeah. Yeah, there's him and the the
one, the one where he's shaking his fists and he has like a big
fever in the air. Yeah, those were the two.
I'd love a good Minotaur man. Yeah.
Quality models and those were like some of the first GW
models, metal ones that were like big ones like that that
were like multi part. I feel like with that you could
actually like there were like four or five different heads and
you could you could head swap them and everything.
It was like them the same time. It was like the first Dragon
Ogre came out. All those guys, they're so good,
so good. They were not.
Like, I feel like that's the one thing that as miniatures have
changed and everything, Games Workshop makes fantastic models
or whatever, but I feel like there's just too much stuff on
them now. And I didn't understand that at
first. But you look at like some of the
newer fantasy models and then you look at the older ones and
with all of that stuff, like, yeah, it looks cool.
But for the majority of people, you're going to paint most of
that stuff one color, you know what I mean?
Or, or you're going to, you know, you're not you're not
golden demon in it. So like what?
That's give me the old school chaos night with the one pouch
and the knife on his belt. You know, like we don't need
more than that. Especially the older I get.
I'm like, shit, I ain't got time for that.
I could paint three of those guys instead of 1, you know?
Yeah, no, I totally agree with that, mate.
So that's like you mentioned Tim's diehard miniatures before
he came up with a new set of Chaos worries.
You probably picked those up. They look bloody.
They look bloody phenomenal, mate.
They look awesome. So they they're really like got
Harry the Hammer in there. You've got all that sort of old
aesthetic style of those classic miniatures in in embodied in
those sculpts. Yeah, they look really cool.
Save character that's a you know, they they character like
each almost each model that has character.
Now, you might not like every one of them, but like, you know,
they're not the same thing with the guy's head turned the other
way or like, yeah, I don't know. I don't want to be too negative.
So Tim Prowell's shit is awesome.
That's that's. What?
He does some good stuff. Yeah, it does some good stuff,
mate, that's for sure. And yeah, DB, look, I won't take
up all of your evening, but I really want to say how much I
appreciate you coming on and agreeing to come on to talk to
us. Oh, I appreciate you for.
Having me, man. And to share the the smoke
dungeon. The first time I can actually
see the smoke dungeon in full, which is wonderful.
I, I told you, if I, if I do a splatter matter, I got to wear a
Balclava. I'll look, I'll look, I'll look
like a Serbian ultra or something.
You can just have the just have the camera putting down on your
paint table like you do with your videos, you know, like just
just put that the the laptop screen just face towards it.
Yeah, tilt it. That's it.
That's all you're going to do. My production values, my man.
Yeah, yeah, production values. We're all about in the dungeon.
So I'll organise that with a few other guys in the US as well.
Have like a bit of AUS splatter nada and all American splatter
nada covering all the states from Baltimore to to Washington
state to. Hey, I I live.
I don't live in a state. I live in the the good nation's
capital. We're a district man.
Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah.
OK. Well, that's great.
Not to not to get all geography on you, you know.
No, but I'll keep some. American.
Civic, I will hope, I really do hope to visit America at some
point because I've met some really wonderful people through
the chronic command who live there.
Yeah, I'd love to do that one day, be a really exciting
adventure, but. Yeah, it's a great place.
We'll see. Yeah, mate, it's a beautiful,
beautiful place. Beautiful place.
Absolutely mate. But as more of Japan, I want to
go and visit and I and other other places around here, so.
Have you made a Janan, mate? I have not, no.
My wife was actually there. Was it last last fall?
My wife is there last fall. I believe she brought me back
some, some Zakus, some some Gundams, she brought me back
some, some aircraft carrier models.
So some, I think it was a Soriu, IJN Soriu, some World War 2
models and then some Ultraman buttons and stickers and you
know, sundry, sundry things like that.
Probably all things you could get in America.
Knowing my wife, she, you know, she went into some, it looked
like a hobby, like a hobby high rise or something.
And she was, she was totally overwhelmed, I'm pretty sure so.
She probably went to Akiabara. I'd say in that big hobby.
There's like 7 floors of it and that's my favorite place.
All right. She sent me, sent me some
pictures. I was like, what in God's name
is that? Yeah.
Yeah, you'll have to make it over with him one day.
Yeah, good man. She's hobby averse though, dude.
So she didn't, she didn't know what was going on.
I was just like finding them Zakus.
So you don't know somebody. So.
Good on you, mate. Well, you got to, you got to get
something from Japan in the smoke dungeon.
That's good. Good to represent.
Yeah. Yeah, she brought me a football
shirt too, so oh cool, that's my thing.
I get her to she she travels all the time so I get her to give me
football shirts. Nice mate, that's great.
Which one did she get you for from Japan if you don't mind?
See, now you're putting me on the spot.
I think it might have been a national.
It might have been a national team jersey, actually.
Cool. Yeah, She got my kids, she got
my kids club jerseys though. It's funny.
Yeah, depending on where she goes, I'll, I'll ask her for
like specific kits and stuff. Yeah.
And like, I've, I've set her up before, like she goes to Italy a
bunch and I sent her in there into the Lazio, Lazio store and
was like, give me a Decano jersey.
You know, I played nice little little tricks like that on her
where she's she doesn't know what's going on.
So but yeah, that's, that's my thing.
Football shirts from around the world.
Great. Well, just just to edit on a
football note, my local team down here, down the road here,
Mitt to Hollyhocks, they're called, They've been in the J2
because there's only J2J1. Yeah, there's only two divisions
in Japan. They've been languishing in J2
forever like always mid table they never.
Are we going up this year? Last year they won it, mate.
They won, they won. They won the championship.
They've been promoted up to J1, which is incredible.
So yeah, I'm going to go take my son because I'm getting trying
to get my son into soccer and he enjoys kicking the ball around.
He did try playing with the other kids, but he always got,
he always got laid up on the floor and, you know, stomped on
or, you know, he's always in the goal, goal goalie, you know,
trying to get out of the physical conflict.
You know, you need him, the physical conflict, mate, you
know, to get in there. But he's a sensitive boy.
Get stuck in. But yeah, I'll have to go, go
my. Oldest is my oldest is 9 and
he's a Wolverhampton fan. Dude died in the wolves.
Wolves hand wolves. Yeah.
I don't know what I did to him, but yeah, he's, he's, he's he.
Must be that cool cool club emblem.
I love that emblem. I'm pretty sure that had
something to do with it. I told him.
I said, dude, once you hit 10, you you can't change.
Like don't feel like in Man United or come get on me.
You got to you got to stay with wolves once you hit double.
Pigs. Well, Paul Buggers.
They'll be going to the Championship next.
Season, he was, he was excited. He was like, maybe we can win a
trophy, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's true.
Look at the bright side. Yeah, exactly.
Bring some joy to the Molyneux. So.
Yeah. All right, my friend.
Well, I appreciate you very much.
No one. Appreciate you mate, thank you
so much and I'll be in touch about doing their splatter Nader
at some point in the future mate.
OK, but you take care of yourself.
Enjoy the enjoy the smoke dungeon, enjoy a few smokes.
Smokes for me mate and we'll catch you up again soon.
Take care. I got it man.
See ya. Peace.
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