1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:13,200 So welcome to the first battery for Deep Dive of 2026 and with 2 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,600 me, as usual is Dave. Hello. 3 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,120 Leo. Hello. 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,720 Hello, so today we are going to look at where I think we we 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,680 pretty much call all the battles we cover classics, but this one 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,320 may be a little bit extra worth that mentioning because it 7 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,040 really is a classic and it also has a really cool name. 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,280 So we're not doing it exactly in sequence here. 9 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,040 So we jump into the revenge of the two. 10 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,480 What a name, yes? Yes, I think it will be familiar 11 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:56,400 to almost anyone who was around at the time or gotten into it 12 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,480 later. So absolute classic. 13 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:04,239 And there's quite a bit of things to talk about regarding 14 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:08,640 this one. It's I guess a more elaborate 15 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,240 scenario than most, so that's one thing. 16 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,800 And of course, we'll go through the battle itself and maybe at 17 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:22,520 the end they will give some insight in how this battle can 18 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:23,000 be played. Yes. 19 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,360 So to start, what are your sort of memories? 20 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,000 Sort of? What warm, fussy feelings does 21 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,320 the name bring to you when you hear it? 22 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,720 Go first. Oh no, he's on mute. 23 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:44,280 OK, I'll go first. OK, so range doodle for me, it's 24 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:51,080 it's a really, really nostalgic of the 4th edition undead book. 25 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,120 I got the 4th undead book must have been within a day or two of 26 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,440 its release. Undead were though, my main 4th 27 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,840 edition army. Really, I started with hils with 28 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:09,680 4th edition, but undead took over because the cost was an 29 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,160 awful lot cheaper to get the but we had we had a couple of boxes 30 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,840 of the undead army and then the, you know, the re releases in 31 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,840 fourth of those plastics was a lot more expensive than they 32 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,200 were as the undead army box. It was still a lot cheaper than 33 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,240 most armies. And mainly my army was 34 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,640 skeletons, you know, because of the cheapness of it. 35 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,040 So it was an important army for me. 36 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,160 It was just one of the few armies I could beat my brother 37 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,760 with. So that was that was like a main 38 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:40,080 selling point and this was a really, really atmospheric 39 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:42,800 battle report. Sorry, not battle report, sorry 40 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,560 scenario within the undead book and it was kind of the dwarf 41 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,440 book and was 1 was the only other book that had a scenario 42 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:52,600 in it. I think that's a really cool 43 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,280 thing to put in them, even more so than the battle report. 44 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,640 I think a scenario is probably better. 45 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,920 And if you could do the two add scenario and battle report even 46 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:03,120 better, you know, it could be a battle of the scenario, funnily 47 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:10,880 enough. And just, it's, it's unique in 48 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,560 that it has like 2 battlefields as well. 49 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,720 So never, you know, there's probably one or two other 50 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,160 battles they've done in White War before where they have more 51 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,400 than one battlefield going on, but they're very, very rare. 52 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,240 I think it's probably a 40K1 somewhere. 53 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,240 But generally speaking. Oh, and then there's the there's 54 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,960 the Chaos Talk star right at the end of 4th as well that uses a 55 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,840 second battlefield as well, where you've got the White Dwarf 56 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,320 climbing. Aside from that second 57 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,160 battlefield is is just unique and it's just really nice. 58 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,040 You know, you've obviously got named characters, not that 59 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,440 they're all obviously Dieter's a special character, but the rest 60 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:53,800 are named within the scenario. And yeah, it adds a lot of 61 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,040 flavour to the undead book just by having this scenario that's 62 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,000 really quite a unique scenario. Love it. 63 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,320 It's a bits. Degree more Leo, do you have 64 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:04,240 any? Yeah, memories. 65 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,720 So few memories. The first one is from the undead 66 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,240 book. And when we were kids and this 67 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:18,320 was coming out, like the few kids playing and obviously 68 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,120 unlike now, maybe we couldn't afford all the books. 69 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,320 So we each had one or two and we are passing them around and 70 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,960 reading them. So you kind of like cut the book 71 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,760 and then spend your weekend reading it, rereading it. 72 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,800 So I remember the the scenario in the in the in the undead army 73 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,480 book. And I remember a couple of the 74 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,560 pictures were like in Patria. So we're talking about why Dwarf 75 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:49,280 174 in the UK edition and on page 54 in particular, there's 76 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:54,040 this, this very iconic picture of the undead army. 77 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,840 So you've got detail in the middle, you've got the little 78 00:04:56,840 --> 00:05:01,440 Chapel on the back and it's all like very evocative. 79 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,520 So when I, when I look at this picture, it's just like, I feel 80 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:13,000 like I'm dead again, I think. And I've been thinking about 81 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,640 hijab and I've checked that this was never published in France 82 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,000 the the battle report. But I think. 83 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:26,440 I it got my hand somehow on the English World War and someone 84 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,600 people don't speak English at the time translated it for me. 85 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,840 Oh, OK, it's a lot of work. I don't. 86 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:37,440 Feel like some kind of like bedtime reading? 87 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,880 It was it was very fond memories. 88 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:41,800 Excellent. Yeah. 89 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,640 And I remembered quite well as well. 90 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:50,480 I think maybe when I, I was rereading, I noticed that I 91 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,760 probably back in the days, it was, you know, keeping track of 92 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:55,960 track of everything that happened. 93 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,840 And it was a fairly complicated scenario. 94 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:01,720 So I probably didn't read, you know, all the details of the 95 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,400 battle and the setup and everything because it was, oh, 96 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,680 yeah, that was how it worked. So maybe I was, you know, the 97 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,840 other better reports, the simpler one were more 98 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,120 accessible. So I think at least in the 99 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,040 beginning, I was like, this seems a bit complicated, but it 100 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,760 was very cool. Definitely. 101 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,680 So I I like the pictures and everything, but probably didn't 102 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,440 read all the details right. So as per usual, they give sort 103 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:32,600 of a a narrative, sort of a story behind what was going on. 104 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,720 When did the under the both edition rule book come out? 105 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,200 So the only book. Well, I don't remember the. 106 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:41,920 Date, but it was kind of middle of the run. 107 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:47,880 It was, I always view kind of the first four books, so Empire 108 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,720 3 to Dwarfs. Obviously. 109 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,920 That's that's kind of a start in my eyes, and that's kind of my 110 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,480 my golden period, to be honest. That's the neat. 111 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,560 So I wonder, what's this game? Then yeah, game. 112 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,120 Then I'm dead. So, and then after that you had 113 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,080 Chaos, Dark elves and and Woodhouse. 114 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,400 So really it was Chaos to all somewhere in the middle really. 115 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,040 It's kind of the beginning of the second-half. 116 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,000 It's the beginning of the second-half really. 117 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,880 You could argue of time. So if it was 3-4 years, probably 118 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,000 about two years in, two years in. 119 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:26,560 So would the This was 90. 4 June, right? 120 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,640 Yeah. Same date as the same date as 121 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,600 the white white dwarf because it was the month before it was 122 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:31,680 released. So there you go. 123 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,960 That's the way to do it. May 94, yeah. 124 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:42,800 So this was sort of the usual showcasing the new army, I 125 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,320 guess. Yes, absolutely, 100%. 126 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:46,840 It was definitely this is the new army. 127 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,000 This is how you can play it and it was just a nice way to do it 128 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,320 with the scenario. It it was because it it made 129 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,200 different battles just straight up, you know, line up stuck it 130 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:59,640 out. The added added a bit of 131 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,680 difference to it. You know, the objective based as 132 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,640 well in a capturing. I need to capture the village 133 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,200 and try do it before you get smashed by the reinforcements. 134 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,440 Obviously, as we see that doesn't really happen. 135 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,760 I don't know these two things, but yeah, that's the idea. 136 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,960 It's kind of it's definitely objective of capture the village 137 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,040 and and if you stick, you know, in all scenarios, if you stick 138 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:27,040 to what the victory conditions are, you know, what's your 139 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,280 opponent might forget them and concentrate on victory points, 140 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,200 then it's entirely possible you're going to win the game. 141 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,880 But yeah, no, it's it's just really nice. 142 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,840 And the fact that it has the not random as such, but the unknown 143 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,000 factors for the undead player of when the Midland continues is 144 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,080 going to turn up and also the, you know, which continues going 145 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,720 to turn up out of the Kislevites and the undead cavalry. 146 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,200 He's probably talked about the scenario in a second, I guess to 147 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,320 actually qualify what we talk what what I'm talking about 148 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,280 there. But but you get from sorry, it's 149 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,920 it's very, it stands out a lot because it's very, very 150 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,360 different to a normal battle report. 151 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:08,280 Yeah, absolutely. And well, the back story, I 152 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,160 don't think we need to go into the all the details about it, 153 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:17,200 but basically detail is he ambushed the Northern army and 154 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:22,680 they proceeded back to this small settlement outside mid 155 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:25,160 name was it. It's still in Nordland. 156 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:26,800 Yeah. So it's it's but it's on the 157 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,520 it's on the road between Erin Grad and Midnheim. 158 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,920 So I never noticed Beckhoven or Beckhoven. 159 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,600 I don't know. You have to get a German speaker 160 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,760 to not these an actual German name. 161 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,880 I know, but you know how they would pronounce it and that that 162 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,000 gives it. But yeah, so the so the Count of 163 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,360 Nordland of the time. And now here we go. 164 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,800 Here's one of my this is my autistic brain kicking. 165 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,640 And OK, here's one of my my not annoyances because I don't 166 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,240 really care that much, but something that made me go, oh, 167 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,200 that's a bit strange. So it's set during the time of 168 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,400 the Three Emperors. Yeah, before Magnus the Pious. 169 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:06,800 Yeah. OK. 170 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,720 And that's the important part of my brains. 171 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,040 Clicking on here. It's set during that time. 172 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,480 So the then electric out of Nordland takes his army off to 173 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,480 try and destroy. Basically there's a load of 174 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,080 roving bands of Orts and goblins and beasts men. 175 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,360 And it's because the doom laws driving them before him. 176 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:26,000 Yeah. So they're fleeing from the. 177 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:30,200 Exactly. So he leads off his army to sort 178 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:37,280 out this disturbance and yeah, Dita ambushes him on the road 179 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,200 and they flee back to Beakehoven. 180 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,200 Once you know, the the emperor, not the emperor, sorry, the the 181 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,080 electric council leading us pistolier. 182 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,280 So he escapes the ambush in effect and he meets up with them 183 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:53,720 back at Beakehoven. Not shades of rogue traders, you 184 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,160 know, farm scenario at all there where the leaders, you know, 185 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,640 Pedro Cantos leading a a separate force and managed to 186 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,600 escape the main destruction of the monastery. 187 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:06,960 It's nothing like that at all. No, safely back to the village 188 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,720 and they sent for reinforcements from Kislev and they sent for 189 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,920 reinforcements from Midnheim. And they're the other two, the 190 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,720 other two contingents in this for the Empire. 191 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,360 And the sticking point I have here that I said is kind of my 192 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,200 brain going, that's a bit weird, but it's not because I don't 193 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,800 want to be a fun sponge and it's fun. 194 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,160 But if it's before Magnus Pious, it's before the founding of the 195 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,760 Colleges of Magic. So why are there Wizards there? 196 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:30,560 Why are there Empire Wizards there? 197 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,640 Should it be there? Let's say hedge Wizards? 198 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,480 Anyway, that's that's my little silly law. 199 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,920 No, I think that's a good point. Mainly because I don't think 200 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,880 they they had a time period where they were setting. 201 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,520 It was just kind of before the current elect count of Midland. 202 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,920 Really the only one that matters on that really is Midlands. 203 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,200 I don't think they'd even named elect count of Nordland at this 204 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:55,920 point. So it doesn't matter what they 205 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,840 call that character. It's more, you know, the Midland 206 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,120 guy should if it were during Cole Francis time, that should 207 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,680 be Boris, obviously, but it's not Boris. 208 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:06,160 It's before then. That's fine. 209 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:07,800 Yeah. And then the scenario basically 210 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:13,880 is around Dieter attacking the village to wipe them out. 211 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,880 He knows the reinforcements are coming. 212 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,880 He sent a force of, well, he sent a some of his army to delay 213 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,640 the Kislovites that are coming from One Direction. 214 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,880 And that's the separate battlefield. 215 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,880 Whatever you send to be the delaying force fights on a 216 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,440 separate battlefield with the Kislovites, and whoever wins 217 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,480 that comes onto the battlefield later on in the game as 218 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,920 reinforcements. And then the Midland contingent 219 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,040 can choose when they turn up in the game. 220 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,920 And the earlier they turn up, the more of a points penalty, 221 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,280 the victory points penalty they have. 222 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,280 But if they turn up later, I think they get a bonus victory 223 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,840 point to to victory points. But the problem is obviously if 224 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,800 you turn up too late, the game might be over. 225 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,480 So, so whoever's playing, if you're it's only just one person 226 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,320 per side, obviously then it's your decision. 227 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,560 But if you've got multiple players, then they've got to 228 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:03,840 decide when they're going to turn up. 229 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,320 And if you add a little bit of mystery to it, you know that no 230 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,400 one knows except the person that's that's coming on the 231 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,240 Midland force. That's a little bit of intrigue 232 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,920 because the other players just not going to know how to protect 233 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,280 that flank. So it becomes a. 234 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,200 Technical decision on that and then you there are conditions 235 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,840 about the steam tank that's in the in that contain in the 236 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,800 Midland contingent. If you use the armies that are 237 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,760 provided in the book, there's a chance that's not going to turn 238 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,760 up at all. And then I suppose you've also 239 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,480 got to look at if it's time period, would a hell blaster 240 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:36,040 would a steam tank would would all wag me? 241 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,880 Well, again, not being a fun sponge. 242 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,840 Play with the scenario, you know, with the Force that are in 243 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,040 there. It's just, yeah, a little bit 244 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,040 weird. Should they be there? 245 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,640 That's all, Yeah. And I assume if you if you would 246 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:53,040 have been a, I'm not really that into it, but history above, you 247 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,920 could have probably found some real life parallels to this 248 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,120 battle, you know, with delaying forces and everything, maybe a 249 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,480 bit blue and stuff. So. 250 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,040 Yeah, well, you guys, it's. Interesting. 251 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:07,320 It changes you from the usual, you know, just line them up and 252 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,520 run at each other. Yeah. 253 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,160 They don't say much about the number of points though. 254 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,320 So in the in the in the army book, you've got these sample 255 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,440 arms and that's the one the battle reports. 256 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,920 Yeah, but they don't say how many points. 257 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,440 And if you want to replace, replay it how you should split 258 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,000 each force. No, but you've got to figure. 259 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,320 It out, I'm sure. Yeah, it's a percentage is it's 260 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:36,640 like a ratio of undead to in. In the army book you get 2500 261 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,560 points of undead. I think something like that to 262 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:46,080 3250, maybe a vampire in total. But yeah, there's a ratio. 263 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,760 You know, I haven't got the book in front of me, but you can work 264 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,480 out the ratio from there, what it needs to be. 265 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,800 Yeah. Not to give any spoilers, but 266 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,960 when we, when my brother and I did it at Boyle, we we doubled 267 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,600 both of them to make the armies bigger. 268 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,120 And if you just double them, it's really easy to it you just 269 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,000 double the, you know, the points value that you've got. 270 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,040 It's easy. You don't need to worry about 271 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,440 the ratio. But if you wanted to play 272 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,600 smaller or larger without just doing a simple double or triple 273 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,320 or half, then obviously you just work out whatever the ratio of 274 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:18,240 of. Empires. 275 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,200 Yeah, exactly. And do it from there. 276 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:25,400 Unless I get it wrong like in the end it seems to be 24123 277 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,760 points which is very random. Yeah, which you could say is 278 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,200 2500. Yeah. 279 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,240 Yeah, yeah, probably. It's rounding up to whatever it 280 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,560 you know it is, just it's not going to make that much of a 281 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:38,960 difference. You could probably play with the 282 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,600 even armies and still split them up and it'd still be roughly 283 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,080 about the same. The village forces thousands. 284 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:50,400 And also there are a few special victory point conditions, so 285 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:55,760 mainly focused on who's in control of the the small 286 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,840 settlement. So a little bit of extra there 287 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,080 as well. But of course, that's for usual. 288 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,800 If you wipe out the enemy, you win. 289 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,160 That's pretty basic, yeah. Absolutely. 290 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,200 Right, so and the, there's actually three people involved 291 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,560 in this battle, so there's Mark Hawkins. 292 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,360 And honestly, I don't know too much about Mark. 293 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:23,160 I recognise the name and the photo, but I'm not familiar with 294 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,440 what. They were, they were three 295 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,760 apprentice Games designers that were taken on. 296 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,000 Ian and Gav obviously lasted a bit longer than Mark. 297 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,040 I don't know what they, I don't know what the story is, why Mark 298 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,120 didn't stick around. The three of them did a lot of 299 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,560 work in Citadel Journal around that time. 300 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,640 I think probably Mark did an awful lot of work in Citadel 301 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,120 Journal, remember correctly. And the other two probably did a 302 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,040 little bit less. But yeah, for whatever reason, 303 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,120 he departed. Ian and Gav stuck around and Gav 304 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,040 stuck out longer than Ian, obviously, probably about a 305 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,720 couple of years, less than maybe even quite a bit more common 306 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,520 when Ian left actually did you make, I don't think he made it 307 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,760 into the 6th edition era in Peacock. 308 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,440 So whereas obviously Gavin did and beyond so. 309 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,800 Yeah, yeah, he's got a good piece of hair going on. 310 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,200 So he. Has, hasn't he? 311 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,839 He's got a major hair going on there, yeah. 312 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:24,440 Yeah, yeah. And so he was controlling the 313 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:34,840 the North End contingent, right. And then was it Ian who did the 314 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,320 the reinforcement spots? Yes, he was. 315 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,440 He was a Midland mid and high modern Which one Mid and high 316 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:46,360 reinforcements he commanded and then. 317 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:55,120 Yep, SO and I don't remember if they specified that if they it's 318 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:59,520 the participants were allowed to do any choices in the army if it 319 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,520 was pre. Decided literally yeah, it's 320 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,920 it's as they appear in the book. The only the only selection that 321 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:11,920 they you've got there is what college the was a champion is 322 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,960 the the the Lord He specifies as an amethyst, but the but it was 323 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,480 a champion isn't there's no there's no college specified. 324 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:26,320 He looks very grey in this case. So it's in the the army is grey 325 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,120 with what? Do you think it did OK there we. 326 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,440 Go yeah, there wasn't trade or torn popping up, but yeah, 327 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,240 right. So, and I mean the army is yeah, 328 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:42,680 some fun toys held loss to the steam tank wagon, so on. 329 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:45,000 All the toys are out. Yeah, pretty. 330 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,320 Much it's it's an all the toys army. 331 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,200 You're right, 100%, yeah. I don't think there's anything 332 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,720 really sticking out. You know, there's a mix. 333 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,600 Of there's the oddity of a champion in the brake source who 334 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,920 listed as a detachment. So that's, yeah, that's an odd 335 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,360 thing, but I don't it's not going to, well, we'll learn 336 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:06,560 later and it doesn't affect the game in any way, shape or form, 337 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,560 but. No, and to be honest, the Great 338 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,600 Swords rather seldom do because they're they're not very good. 339 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:20,960 In Inquisition I'm. I'm so looking page 55 and I 340 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,640 think there's a misprint because in the Midland contingent it 341 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,840 says 5 piston years, but I think it's Albert's right. 342 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,080 Yeah, no, they aren't there at all. 343 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,840 No, that's that's yeah, that's that is misprint. 344 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:34,960 You're right. Yeah, I noticed that. 345 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,120 I read through them. Yeah, you're right, 100. 346 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:41,040 Percent, yeah, that's not popping up any any pistols in 347 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:42,680 misprint? That's never happened. 348 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,480 We don't know what's. In the chin in the end. 349 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,720 No, yeah. But as you said, the same symbol 350 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,840 is used for the the heart bodies. 351 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,800 So maybe that's just. We know the Albanians because 352 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,640 they have like the horizontal line and they keep talking about 353 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:08,880 them. Anything else to say about the 354 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,400 army? They what do the kids? 355 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,760 I was thinking about the what they gave the general there. 356 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:19,160 They gave him sort of heroes. I think maybe we'll talk about 357 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,920 that later, but. I think the thing to say is that 358 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:26,840 it's quite magic items light. Yeah, it is. 359 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:31,960 It's weird because if you compare it to the previous 360 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,080 story, they put in an undead book, sorry, in an army book, 361 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,080 the dwarf one, that was magic item heavy. 362 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,680 So this is the opposite. They've obviously tried to cram 363 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,880 as many troops in as they can, I think. 364 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:48,760 And of course I mean compared to what if if someone had a free 365 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,640 choice of doing it on that army, probably wouldn't have just one 366 00:20:53,040 --> 00:21:01,440 magic cost this one. Yeah, important. 367 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,080 In 2500 points that that's like you already have a 750 points 368 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:12,400 characters for the. Yeah, yeah, but the as we said, 369 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,480 the empire is fairly rounded. It has some artillery, some 370 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:23,320 shootings, some put troops some nights, not the lounge wielding 371 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,400 heavy nights, but they had a a fairly big units of white 372 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,040 wolves. So yeah, a lot of fun toys and 373 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,240 the undead army. What can we say about that one? 374 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,560 I I never played undead, I never created an army. 375 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,120 So what? What are the experts opinion? 376 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,360 It's a bit small army battle standards, a bit weird to have 377 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:47,240 an undead army. You don't really need it, but in 378 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,480 later editions they kind of bring in reasons to have a 379 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,680 battle standard. It's the same reason there's a 380 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,680 lot of armies have in a sense that you know, it's another 381 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,880 magic banner in the army. A lot of it looks good a. 382 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,480 Centipede. Stunning conversion, yeah 383 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,440 absolutely amazing. But usefulness with under battle 384 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,360 standard is pretty low. Yeah, whites aren't brilliant 385 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,960 and there's no benefit of a leadership re role. 386 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,000 So it's only plus one extra, plus one for. 387 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,040 Yeah, but you doesn't have a standard. 388 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,720 But it's an expensive one. Yeah, and you doesn't have a 389 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,360 standard. So therefore you'd be. 390 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:28,360 Better if you unit standard and a white Lord. 391 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,680 Yeah, and of course with the BSB, the disadvantage is always 392 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,520 that the enemy can kill the model and destroy the standard. 393 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,240 You can't do that in the normal unit banner. 394 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,960 So there are a few reasons. Two things that I would modify. 395 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,880 I think there aren't enough units is one of the one of the 396 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:53,400 issues for for 100 arm, you want a bit more and OK, we'll we'll 397 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,120 tackle the one magic user thing now quickly, but they'll 398 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:58,800 reference back when we talk about what we did for the for 399 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,920 this big epic that was that big. It was double, but it was a 400 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,640 bigger thing. We put on a ball. 401 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:08,200 So in this battle it's less of an issue only having one magic 402 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,040 user because the other side doesn't have an excessive amount 403 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,560 of magic. And for most of the battle he's 404 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,480 facing a lower level caster. So he's going to be dispelling 405 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,240 easier and he's going to be caught. 406 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,280 You know, his his spells itself. It's going to be harder for the 407 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,320 enemy wizard to dispel. So it's not too much of an 408 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,400 issue. There is only one version of Van 409 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,680 Hales Dance macabre in later, you know, versions of the undead 410 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,520 army that became the vampire accounts you can have. 411 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,160 You can have Van Hales dance macabre many, many times 412 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,400 throughout the army. Yes, you can cast it many times 413 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,840 as a single wizard. He's a Lord to automatically can 414 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,640 automatically recast it. He doesn't need, he doesn't need 415 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,200 to roll the dice be able to recast it. 416 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,200 Yes, he needs the power cards, but he doesn't need to roll the 417 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:56,160 dice to recast it. So he is in that sense, it's not 418 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,640 a huge issue. You've only got 1 magic user. 419 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,480 The issue of only one magic is more, and I've talked about this 420 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:07,400 when we talked about the undead army book for undead. 421 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,920 Well, same for any army really. But undoubtedly it's especially 422 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,400 true that you need distractions for your for the enemy's 423 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,040 dispels, right? So because there are certain 424 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,800 spells you have to get through, you have to get ran out for 425 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,440 Kaaba through it can't. If it's dispelled every single 426 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,760 time or you run out of power, you're in trouble. 427 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:34,880 And also I don't think either side had any like magic item 428 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,400 boosts for the magic face like and of course if you only have 429 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,840 two Wizards, there's only two D6 and on a low roll, which did 430 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,480 happen in this battle, you pretty much not going to do 431 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,160 anything for that magic face. Yeah, exactly. 432 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,880 So he's he's got the stuff flaming death. 433 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,600 So that's one distraction where he can cast that and Oh my God, 434 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,480 do you spell that or not? So he creates that little bit of 435 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,080 doubt in the but because he's a lower level for most of the 436 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:06,200 game, in fact pretty much all the game, it's less of an issue 437 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,160 because dispelling is on, you know, it was on A5 plus. 438 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,800 Now, if they're to pick their own magic items and he'd gone 439 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,360 and scold staff the the empire wizard, then you're on a bit of 440 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:21,240 a more even keel for dispelling casting, but for dispelling and 441 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,640 then it becomes an issue only having the one wizard. 442 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,360 But in this case, I don't think it's that bad. 443 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,160 I mean, the the glaring thing, obviously he's as you alluded to 444 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,200 before we start recording, he's a bit of a glass cannon. 445 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,120 He's got no protection either like in the black family, which 446 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:37,560 would be the standard thing that most undead generals, you know, 447 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,880 get. He's gone to the empire side. 448 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,600 So he's got no protection in that sense. 449 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,760 And the spells he received, he doesn't have anything that 450 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,560 boosts his wounds. So he is pretty much in the 451 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,760 shtick here if he starts taking wounds. 452 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,120 And also I when I watched his checked his profile, he only has 453 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,840 a toughness of four. So he's basically, you know, 454 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,880 harder than a human, which although as it proves later in 455 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,960 the battle, that was actually a bit of an advantage for him in 456 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,120 one specific case that he didn't have a higher toughness. 457 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,160 But we're getting ahead of ourselves here. 458 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,080 Thank you. So yeah, that was sort of the 459 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:23,400 the setup and just a short sort of run through of the armies. 460 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:30,160 And of course the setup is if you go into the check the maps, 461 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:37,400 the Empire Nordland force focuses behind the walls of this 462 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,560 little settlement. And of course, being behind an 463 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,320 obstacle is good. You only hit on a six when you 464 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,920 attack them, right? That's the thing. 465 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:57,120 So and yeah, I mean, why not? If you want to keep in place and 466 00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:00,440 await your reinforcements, sure, that's probably how you would do 467 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,120 it. Yeah, it's the only way to do 468 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,200 it. As the Empire player, I think if 469 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,720 you if you come out from the walls, it's over. 470 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,600 The game's finished. You know that that defended 471 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,080 obstacle bonus is what you need to. 472 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,200 Survive doesn't protect you against here and against. 473 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,560 No, it doesn't. No, absolutely. 474 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,080 That's that's that's a downside. But the idea that you should 475 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,760 suffer relatively few wounds. So, you know, you you should be 476 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,800 kind of on a, especially for the halberdier unit, you should be 477 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,400 on an even. Key yeah, you should be safe. 478 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,840 It's not guaranteed. No, it's certainly the head of 479 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:42,560 our sense that, yeah, it's. Yeah. 480 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,200 And I think in this specific one, maybe that could have been 481 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,040 a reason they didn't. Do you know massive amount of 482 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,600 big undead units? Maybe that would have been too 483 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,760 easy to outnumber and break. I mean you. 484 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,520 You. Said that there's not a lot of 485 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,440 of undead, but they don't have a lot of points to work with and 486 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,680 and they. Are expensive. 487 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,720 Like skeletons are expensive so. Yeah. 488 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,800 Like. Maybe you could have removed the 489 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:15,000 postponement because they'll be. On that, yeah, sure, they're not 490 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,640 going to do anything. But they look cool apart from 491 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,320 that. Like what? 492 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,160 What could you change very materially? 493 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,720 I, I possibly, yeah, maybe the goals not being in there. 494 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,680 And also I'm not 100% sure about the undead Chariots. 495 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,560 I know they do something in the game, but for me they're really 496 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:34,720 cool models. They look great. 497 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,280 That's good enough reason to include them, but I'm not 498 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,600 certain they make their points back. 499 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,200 Chariots generally. Yeah. 500 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:48,280 No, no, in general not, but in this one seem like we find size. 501 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,440 Yeah, yeah. But I think still fairly evenly 502 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,440 matched forces. So yeah, I think we're coming up 503 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,560 to our first break now, so I'll think when we come back we'll go 504 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,000 into the actual action of the game. 505 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:13,360 So see you in a little while. So we're back and we stepped the 506 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,640 scene and the action is about to begin. 507 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,240 We didn't mention too much about the sideshow going on, which is 508 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:27,920 2 units of Kistov Horse, one of four sources, and one of Queen 509 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:33,160 Dances squaring off against the unit of Skeleton Horse or 510 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,520 Riders. And whoever wins that slide show 511 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,160 of small skirmish, we'll be able to enter the battlefield from 512 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,960 behind the the undead forces I think later turn. 513 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,480 So we'll see how that works out. And the Midden Haim 514 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,400 reinforcements will arrive on a later turn. 515 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,760 I think it was turn 3 as it turns out. 516 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,200 Yeah, it's kind of corners going on, isn't it? 517 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,240 So the initial battlefield, you've got opposite corners in 518 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,120 effect, the Empire in a village in one corner and then the 519 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,560 diagonally the opposite corner is the undead set up. 520 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,640 And then the kids lights come on to the side of the undead set 521 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,600 up. And then the midnight comes on 522 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,600 to the side of the village in opposite corners. 523 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:27,320 So yeah, cornering going on. Yeah, and since the Empire is 524 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:33,320 defending and not going to move around a lot, and the undead are 525 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,640 really the only one who's going to, you know, do any action 526 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:43,560 maneuvering in the first turn. So I guess the first, well, the 527 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,840 very first turn doesn't involve any combat of any kind. 528 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,320 It's more maneuvering. And for the undead, of course, 529 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,400 they are trying to go as quickly as they can by casting Van Hels, 530 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,240 and there's a bit of shooting, but I don't think there's 531 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:06,680 anything the skinny skeletal pals miss in this. 532 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,320 Yeah. And they keep missing. 533 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,360 Yeah, we can get that out of the way. 534 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,120 Any point they make it once near old a misfire. 535 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,480 So yeah, they they don't add anything to the to the game here 536 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:26,720 at all. And I think he's Dito is able to 537 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,640 cast on health several times. So it's very successful first 538 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,640 time in that sense. Absolutely. 539 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,280 He moves a few units around. I think he uses the staff as 540 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,200 well, but there's nothing, there's nothing major going on 541 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,480 other than that he gets the zombies a fair bit forward. 542 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,800 Yeah, yeah. So I think we can go through 543 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,760 that pretty quickly. I don't think the Empire is able 544 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,120 to cost anything. Right. 545 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,880 New, no. Yeah. 546 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:04,480 So manoeuvring, closing, I suppose it's a bit quicker than 547 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,920 the Empire might have hoped for, but otherwise nothing 548 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,200 substantially going on. So on the Empire term, they're 549 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,760 not doing a lot of moving, or probably any on the main 550 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,680 settlefield. The only one is the pistol. 551 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,040 It's moving out sort of on the flank to harass the undead. 552 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,560 In actual just just one point for the second battlefield. 553 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,480 So your kids like battlefield, you've got a mirror image 554 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,240 happening here because at the end date this the all all the 555 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,680 end have to do is delay the kids fights. 556 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:35,840 They're not going to win that fight. 557 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,560 Yeah, they've got to delay them for as long as possible so they 558 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,680 don't actually move in their first term. 559 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,920 Whereas obviously on the main field all the undead move 560 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,880 forward other than scrimmage and the carry on fly high, 561 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,880 obviously. So yeah, that's kind of your 562 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,240 images. And then in the Empire first 563 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,800 turn, obviously nothing really moves on, the pistol is on the 564 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,400 main battlefield, but on the kids of like 1 the kids of like 565 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,120 move forward as quickly as they can to try and engage the the 566 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,440 skeleton horsemen. Yeah. 567 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,080 So they pretty much move up to, you know, force some sort of 568 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:16,720 action on the the side front. And the empire shooting isn't 569 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,320 horribly effective either. I think at this point they kill 570 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,080 the some zombies kill something, Yeah. 571 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,280 Yeah, they kill. They kill AI think. 572 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,680 It's a hand blaster. Yeah, 877. 573 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,520 Yeah. So they shoot off 3 of the 9 574 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:41,360 barrels and has, you know, pretty good effect on the long 575 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,840 range. So yeah, decent, yeah. 576 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,800 And of course. Yeah and I think CrossFit men 577 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,720 kill for another another 5 or so so so you do decent damage on 578 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,880 the on the zombies, but the cannon just about hits the 579 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,440 scrimmage hole catapult but doesn't do any damage. 580 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,120 Rolls the one classics. The classic, Yeah. 581 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,760 And of course with the Hell Blaster, it's always that sort 582 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,520 of, should I, how many barrels should I shoot? 583 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,840 Should I wait until like when they're under half range before 584 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,600 I shoot? Because that's a lot more 585 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,080 effect. But of course there's always the 586 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,520 worry that the enemy is simply going to destroy it before 587 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,400 you're able to use it. So yeah. 588 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,400 I think the solution, you just shoot it, all of it when you 589 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:33,040 come and that's it. I think so may and because even 590 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,880 at full range, if he would have fired, of course we can misfire 591 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,000 at any point. So he might not have gotten more 592 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,960 than three, but he could have probably destroyed that unit or 593 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,280 close to if he was able to get more shots off. 594 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,239 But yeah, he did a bit of compromise in that case. 595 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,320 Wind of Magic. And of course, the wizard 596 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,800 champion has the very powerful and potentially entertaining 597 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,880 spell of traitor of tongue. And he would. 598 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,880 That's sort of interesting also how you decide how to use it 599 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,360 because there are some extremely easy targets for the trait of 600 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,120 tone because you're old against leadership. 601 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,840 So he could have had an excellent chance to take over 602 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,880 full unit of zombies. I mean, it would have been 603 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:23,440 almost impossible to fail. What are their leadership 34 55? 604 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,280 55 never actually use it really so. 605 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,880 Yeah, you, you will have to be very unlucky to fail on three 606 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:37,200 dice because but of course I can understand, you know, if he's 607 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:42,720 able to take Dieter, it's yeah, pretty much. 608 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,000 And I mean, it's not a bad chance. 609 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,880 I think it's 5050 pretty much if he's able to. 610 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,080 So I get the appeal. Yeah, because you should get, if 611 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,600 you go on averages, you know, even if if you roll 3 threes, 612 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,760 it's 9. So you just miss it, but get 613 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,320 one, four or two fours in that. And obviously you can go either 614 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,680 way with twos and ones and fives and sixes. 615 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,680 But the, the the charges are pretty high if you're working. 616 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,760 It's actually quite a scary possibility for the undead 617 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,280 player. Yeah, OK, but philosophical 618 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,080 points, if you do it, doesn't it just run the game? 619 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,280 It does, yeah. You know, absolutely. 620 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,680 I agree. It's pretty much game over. 621 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,920 Yeah. Yeah, especially if you do it on 622 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,800 your opponent's term, then you will be able to do something 623 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,080 with him before he's able to try to stop you in any way. 624 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,920 So, yeah, yeah. My, my, I've had someone, I've 625 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,840 used Dietra in the past. Not this game. 626 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,040 It was a different, it was a different game, but usually 627 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,160 right. And someone's done something 628 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,440 similar with Dance of Despair, and it's just like, well, that's 629 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,520 it. If you do that to the under, 630 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,320 generally you've won the game. Congratulations. 631 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:49,800 But. What? 632 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,800 So yes, yes, for speculation. If you would have been able to 633 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,120 take over the details as an Empire player, what would you 634 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,200 have done with him? Well, I guess you're flying 635 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,640 right towards the back of the back of the thing, and you're 636 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:04,920 passing passive years on everything. 637 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,320 Yeah, yeah, I was. Dancing things away. 638 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,200 Yeah, I mean, I attack you, I attack you. 639 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,160 The I don't know the the catapults attack the just cut it 640 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,320 on the horsemen. Yeah, maybe the the cool choice 641 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,680 if you had a a full held blast would be to place him back two 642 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,600 inches across. Yeah, I guess so. 643 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,840 But I think he can. He's more used doing stuff. 644 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,240 But I suppose there is a chance. Yeah, that's the spell, isn't 645 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:32,720 there? So. 646 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,640 Yeah, yeah. But I I think if you take him 647 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,520 over in your opponent's turn, you will be able to shoot before 648 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,680 he has a chance to break out, right? 649 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,360 Or is that the right sequence? Should do, I think. 650 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,880 I can't remember the spell off the top of my head, the exact 651 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,680 nature of the brain. I think it's I think it's a 652 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,200 leadership test in your turn. So yeah, you will have a job. 653 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,200 Yeah, that would have been fun, but maybe a high risk thing. 654 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,760 It would, as you said, it would have been safer to us moving 655 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,680 away from everyone else as quickly as possible. 656 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,400 That would have paralyzed the army a bit. 657 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,480 So yeah. So that didn't happen. 658 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,400 So he wasn't taking up and what it goes on. 659 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,520 Otherwise not too much. It's the on their day because 660 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:23,360 any spells. Yeah, that's the dance. 661 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,240 Like our bonders on the crossbow, men? 662 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,600 Weird insistence on trying to get them to do some damage. 663 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,040 I get, I get you want them to be effective and kind of the more 664 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,080 times they shoot and the more effective they are, but. 665 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,080 Maybe there were better targets for that one. 666 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,400 Well, they're they're in two ranks. 667 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,840 Only four and a half of them, anyway. 668 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,120 Yeah. They're going to struggle to 669 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:43,920 hit. Yeah, OK. 670 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,200 If they hit, they should do some damage because, you know, their 671 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,400 crossbows -1 to strength 4 -, 1 to save against pistols. 672 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,960 They should. If you can't hit enough times, 673 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,520 then they should wipe the pistol ears out. 674 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,640 But there are better ways. Probably better off just 675 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,560 charging into the pistol ears, yeah? 676 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,880 Yeah. So he only gives 1 then you know 677 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,280 that's not really do anything much. 678 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,440 You know, because, because then the fear can. 679 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,880 Take a. No it doesn't. 680 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,520 Oh yeah. Oh, yeah, He rolled a six. 681 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,480 Yeah, it's true. So not even that. 682 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:24,840 And as we said on the Kislev front, they moved up towards the 683 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,800 skeletons. Yeah. 684 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,680 So it was pretty much it. The cannon bluffed, the two 685 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,680 wounds rolled against the catapult, so yeah, no deal 686 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,640 there. And the DEET, of course, would 687 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,160 have been the natural target, but he was hiding behind the 688 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,840 forest, wisely, I suppose. Tactically concealed. 689 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,160 Yeah. Let's go tactically because 690 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,840 you're not hiding. What a terrible shocking you 691 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:59,360 tell my bias in this game. But yeah, considering he had no 692 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:04,080 protection, that's probably a wise tactic, right? 693 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:11,480 So I guess on. To Undead Turn 2 and no charges 694 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,960 on the main front I think still. No, no charges. 695 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,680 Move closer. Yeah, a bit of magic going off 696 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,040 and the undead units on the other flank get in each other's 697 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,600 way. Yeah, and the skimming skull 698 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,320 catapults sitting I think still. Yeah. 699 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,480 But in the side battle, the skeletal horsemen charge the 700 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:38,000 horse Archers and wrath them. Would it have been better to 701 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,160 flee with them? And we don't know the exact 702 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,440 distances, but I mean the chance that they would hold would have 703 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,560 been pretty low. I think maybe it would have been 704 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,840 better off being another chance to in. 705 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,040 The first place, why? Why would you have let your 706 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,280 horse Archers like in charge range with the inside unit next 707 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,200 to them? I mean, it's a bit like inviting 708 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,320 disaster. Either you put them in front of 709 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:05,240 the lens cells or you don't put like in the back or somewhere. 710 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:12,800 Yeah, well, I guess 11 glaring thing we can see as well is, and 711 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,840 we we know this to be true from conversation we've had about the 712 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,640 battle for new rules team. Was this actually played or is 713 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:25,880 this just a yeah, yeah, you know, was it actually played or 714 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,280 was it? But was it a mix that they 715 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,240 played a battle, but they punched the results and the, you 716 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,360 know, in the I. Mean that's the that's the 717 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,080 thought behind the threat of town, right? 718 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,920 Because if that succeeded, pretty much you'd have to replay 719 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,240 the game. Yeah, absolutely. 720 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,640 So yeah. And sometimes they, they 721 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,320 described as maybe they did a, a couple of battles and they did 722 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,600 the, they published the one that was, you know, most interesting 723 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,040 in a sense. Or or maybe little aspects of 724 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,920 each one. Yeah, and I think when when 725 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,320 hearing interviews, you get, you know, different pictures of 726 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,160 this. Some say it's completely 727 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,520 scripted and some say no, no, we pretty much, you know, the dice 728 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,320 rolled where they did, but. I'd like to think they played 729 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:13,760 it. I'd like to think they played. 730 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,800 It. Yeah, I mean, and of course. 731 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,440 We'll talk about the reinforcements. 732 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:24,480 That's that's the part of. Maybe seeing the Cladids, Yes, 733 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,800 the tactical blunders, let's say. 734 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:32,680 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So let's see what will happen in 735 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,560 on the turn 2. Not too mathematic, was it? 736 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:41,360 It was pretty weak on this turn. Yeah, he used his staff, but 737 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,600 that didn't do much at all on the I think. 738 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,400 He killed any, did it? It's 1. 739 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,480 Yeah, oh one, yeah, and the the carry ONS actually didn't shot 740 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,040 the. Oh yes, yeah, that's there you 741 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:57,960 go. Help last. 742 00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,920 Should have fired all barrels in hindsight then. 743 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,760 Yeah, yeah. Because, yeah, they got fairly 744 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,000 predictable where they're going to land. 745 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:11,160 So that was the chance they had. And yeah, like you said, why not 746 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,520 go for go for broke in that case. 747 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,240 They did survive one turn though, which is slightly 748 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:20,240 surprising, but so they got a bit lucky. 749 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,480 But in the end it didn't matter too much. 750 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,680 And like we said, magic wasn't too eventful. 751 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,520 They did move up the zombies a bit further. 752 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,960 The empire didn't cost anything or even try at that point. 753 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,840 I don't think they had the the power to do that. 754 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:46,720 So Empire turn 2, and if you just quickly look at the Kislev 755 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:53,200 side, the Lancers were sort of off position so the only thing 756 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,120 they could do was turn towards the skeletons. 757 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:02,600 So yeah, maybe they should have likely done the placement a bit 758 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,480 different. Yeah, held back and allowed the 759 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,640 Kislevite horses to be charged, but then have the kids lights in 760 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,240 the wing Lancers in a position to counter charge. 761 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,480 Yeah, and maybe, like I said, maybe if they would have fled 762 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,800 the the undead horseman would have ended up being a more 763 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,480 favourable position to be shot by the Empire. 764 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:27,040 Because I think in fourth you couldn't redirect to anything 765 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,240 that wasn't a thing, right? Could you? 766 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,720 You could, yeah. Yeah, you could. 767 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,520 Yeah, maybe. You could. 768 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:40,000 There's a late the high off scathing game that's kind of. 769 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,400 Cut. Oh yeah, yeah, mixing up my. 770 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:46,440 Just before this one, the Silver Hills re redirect in that. 771 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:47,040 Game. So yeah. 772 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,120 You can, yeah. But they could have placed it in 773 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,040 a way to, you know, get a more favourable outcome of that I. 774 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,080 Suppose you worry was if you yeah, whereas if you put them in 775 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,200 front, I suppose you've put the holes artists in front. 776 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,080 There's a chance that the scale and cover you're going to either 777 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,160 run into into the wing lances. That's why you don't do that, I 778 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,760 guess. But it's you know, there are 779 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,400 Ways and Means of organizing yourself to kind of plan for 780 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,160 these things and it just doesn't like there was that much 781 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:19,200 thinking how to handle that. There is what it is. 782 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,720 And otherwise the Empire main force doesn't of course, do 783 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:27,760 much. They don't want to move out of 784 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:34,240 the cupboard. The yeah, they charge because 785 00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:38,520 they were the young ones that didn't fit within the the covers 786 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,080 of speak. So they were a bit on the well. 787 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,920 They're trying to save the Hell Blaster, aren't they? 788 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,080 Yeah, with a flank charge, but carrying are always 789 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,720 underestimated as they're not necessarily brilliant in combat, 790 00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:51,000 but they have quite a few wounds. 791 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,920 Yeah, it's hard to get rid of them. 792 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:57,680 Yeah, and of course, I mean, they're just normal humans with 793 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,120 no bonuses in hand to add combat, the cost per man, and 794 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,160 they don't have, well, they have one. 795 00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:06,200 Do they have one full rank? Yeah, I suppose one rank bonus. 796 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,920 No. They don't it's yeah, it's a 797 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,600 charge, but I mean, the picture has 6, but yeah, there's only 798 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,800 five. Well do or is it 6? 799 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,440 Maybe it's 6, I can't remember. Anyway I. 800 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,840 Think one one of them died from six. -1 they but they don't, 801 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:25,720 they're not going to cause a panic check. 802 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,200 So charging in the flank of them. 803 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,840 So that's going to happen. But yeah, they're just trying to 804 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,600 take the help blast and fully understand maybe, maybe the 805 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,360 general could be in better place to do that kind of counter 806 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,920 charge, but that's about it really. 807 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,800 Yeah, and of course the in in the actual battle, the 808 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,320 crossbowmen don't do much or anything I think. 809 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,520 They don't do much and more carriers kill the rest of the 810 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,680 crew. Yeah. 811 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,720 And the. Cannon explodes. 812 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,880 Yeah, so. Cannon explodes. 813 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,800 Yeah, so overall, the artillery on either side didn't do much in 814 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,080 this battle, didn't do any decisive actions at all to the 815 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:16,440 songmatic face, and of course the Empire side got the coveted 816 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,920 total power once again. He tried on Dieter and well, 817 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,760 fortunately he didn't do it. They're all six. 818 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:27,600 That's. Yeah, that's pretty. 819 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,640 Yeah, that's. Sub optimum. 820 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:33,480 So yeah, none of that. And I don't seem to remember 821 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,120 what his second spell was. Or did he only have one? 822 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,480 Is it a level 1 or level? One, Yeah, OK. 823 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,760 Yeah. Right. 824 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,680 In theory, it's actually a very good handle of spells for what 825 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,680 you've got to do. So that that kind of lends 826 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:55,160 towards slightly staged maybe. Obviously you can, you can get 827 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,360 those spells. Don't get me wrong, there's 828 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,720 absolutely a possibility of getting them. 829 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:01,280 It's just it's probably the two. He's not going to use the Gray 830 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,400 bridge. There's no point having that, 831 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,520 right? There's a shadow probably it's 832 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,200 called right. So if you're not going to have 833 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,760 that, he's probably got the two most useful spells he's going to 834 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,800 have in the grey deck for for the situation they're in, you 835 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,640 know, something that rallies people where there's lots of 836 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,400 leadership tests going on and so they can potentially take over a 837 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,760 powerful character. Yeah, the powerful character. 838 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,440 Yes, exactly. So yeah. 839 00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:29,920 Yep, it didn't happen. So yeah, early an eventful 840 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:36,840 Empire to on this one, and then on on to Undead Turn 3. 841 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,480 And that's when things are sort of not great for Empire, mostly. 842 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,040 Yeah, it looks like in turn 3 it should be game over, Yeah. 843 00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:52,480 When you look at the map, it's like, oh, everything is fleeing. 844 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,640 Except the pistol is the general of the battle standard, but 845 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,240 everybody else is running away. Yeah, but you don't need the 846 00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:00,960 battlefield is which is important. 847 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:07,520 So in the end, the defended obstacles didn't help them all 848 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:12,760 that much because they were still defeated and also broken I 849 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,840 think in. Yeah, well, it's because he 850 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,280 doesn't charge the help. It is, does he? 851 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,600 He charges the cross and obviously there's no rank bonus, 852 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:26,440 so the rank bonus alone wins it for the for the zombies and you 853 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,400 know, outnumbering so have to flee. 854 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,800 Yeah, so like like you said, when you look at the map, it 855 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,080 looks like OK, that's it, the emperor is gone. 856 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,200 But yeah, maybe not. We'll see that in in the next 857 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,720 term. And in on the kiss left side, 858 00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:46,880 the undead cavalry is of course facing the wrong way, so they 859 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:53,240 have to just turn to prepare for the inevitable assault. 860 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,800 I'm hoping for a missed leadership test I guess. 861 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,520 I I have the feeling I would just carry on moving forward 862 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,440 with them. Yeah, because you've got. 863 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,800 Charged in the rear. It doesn't matter that the young 864 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,240 dead aren't there to survive, the young dead are there to tie 865 00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:11,560 them up for as long as possible. So if they go further forward, 866 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,080 the other the kids wise further forward to get to the edge of 867 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,240 the battlefield they've got to get to. 868 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:22,640 You can't March right and likely even if didn't turn around and. 869 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,680 Move. It would seek cash in the back 870 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,600 and then got more chance of disappearing in one term so. 871 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,800 Definitely, it's more getting them as far away from the edge 872 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,000 of the battlefield as possible. Yeah, yeah. 873 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,680 But you the key level then don't have to move, they can just, 874 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,960 they just need to destroy the unit and then they appear. 875 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,880 They don't need to. Basically move. 876 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:49,640 They don't need to get off work. To the edge take off OK, I 877 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,240 thought it might have to get to the edge OK, so once. 878 00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:55,760 You destroy the last. You need to just PS it. 879 00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:59,400 Yeah, yeah. And I think maybe that's a good 880 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,880 rule. So the undead can't really, you 881 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:06,320 know, just try to avoid battle totally and move away. 882 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,560 I would. Yeah, so basically the the 883 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:19,040 undead shots hits, so and they route the the empire units, 884 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,920 although the characters still remain. 885 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:25,800 So that's the only ones that are not fleeing on that side, sort 886 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:31,680 of on the other flank of the settlement, the undead Chariots. 887 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,280 And there's few other units, though they sort of prepare for 888 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,240 the for the to face the reinforcements I guess. 889 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,280 Yeah, they rearrange. I think the reinforcement should 890 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,000 arrive from a random place. Yeah, it's a little bit met 891 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,960 again that they know, OK, they're going to come here. 892 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,320 Let's place ourselves and. So yeah, I can see that that's 893 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:57,640 that would add a difficulty that that can't prepare for them. 894 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:03,360 Yeah, so the magic is pretty low role of three. 895 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,720 So there's not too much magic going on this turn either. 896 00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:14,880 But there is one John's macabre on the crossbows again. 897 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,160 They really like to do stuff with them. 898 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:23,920 And yeah, as we said, it looks good for the for the undead at 899 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,440 this point. But yeah, it's not quite over 900 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:27,720 yet. No. 901 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:33,600 Absolutely not. OK, but let's move on to Empire 902 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,640 Turn 3. And that's when the Meadenheim 903 00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:43,920 reinforcements arrives on the sort of right flank, Emperor's 904 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:49,480 right plank. And on paper it's a pretty 905 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:54,200 impressive force Steam tank that managed to actually get there. 906 00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:00,000 The War Wagon, a fairly big unit of White Wolves and the hull 907 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:05,480 barriers, not Pistolius and great swords, not very 908 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,280 impressive, but you know, they look good. 909 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,800 And some artists. I think that's it. 910 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,720 Summarizing, quite solved and the the white poles as an 911 00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:17,560 electric card the better standard and without loading 912 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:18,680 them. Yeah. 913 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:26,240 And of course also they are able to deploy and move right. 914 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:28,280 So they are able to charge the first turn. 915 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,280 So that's and I think it would have been a little bit unfair 916 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,120 because the under the could obvious, you know, arrange 917 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,120 themselves and then be able to charge them before they were 918 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,240 able to move. That would have been a bit 919 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:44,280 harsh. But as we will see, the charge 920 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,240 just will not be quite as impressive as one might have 921 00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:49,720 hoped. I think, I actually think the 922 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,320 initial plan was good. I think the idea of what he's 923 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,680 trying to do is good. It's Fierce Cup as him and yeah. 924 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,040 Co execution. Yeah. 925 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,360 So what happens basically? Leaving the wizard now this big 926 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,880 unit is an in fact. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 927 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,160 I think that's. My mistake. 928 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:14,280 I think so too, that it's really not all or nothing short of what 929 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,320 they do with the. So what happens is, like you 930 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,720 said, the unit of White Wolves contains both the general, the 931 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:28,960 BSB and the Yeah, so in. Theory. 932 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,080 If he's got decent close combat spells, I understand why he's in 933 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,800 there. Yeah, but. 934 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,080 There's no Yeah, all your eggs in one basket is just. 935 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,440 But yeah, I can also understand, like we said, that Dieter is 936 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:49,320 actually naked. He's quite an easy target, but I 937 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,520 think the item is perhaps not best suited for what he does 938 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,640 because he has the sort of heroes which is great against 939 00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,720 enemies with a toughness 5 or more he. 940 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,800 Said the toughness 4. But in my mind he has it this 5. 941 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,120 Yeah, I I agree. I thought he was as well an an 942 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:07,840 under general. So that's terrible. 943 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,760 But it's for killing the manticore. 944 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,360 That's why that swords, yeah. But he doesn't attack the 945 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:15,920 manticore, he tries. No, he doesn't fall. 946 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:22,000 Theater. So yeah, with hindsight, because 947 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:27,240 these sort of heroes against it is just the basic sword. 948 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,080 Well, it's magic, but he doesn't have any protection anyway, so 949 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,840 doesn't do anything. Actually, no. 950 00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:36,640 So that's a bit of a waste. And you are pretty better off in 951 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,640 close comment. Probably better off killing the 952 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,440 manticore first. Yeah. 953 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,000 And OK, it's a 5050 chance that he will wound it, but it will do 954 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,360 1D3 wounds per hit. So wound. 955 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:51,400 So it's it would have had a decent chance to do well. 956 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,720 But of course, he he actually seemed to have rolled pretty 957 00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:57,120 poorly, so maybe he wouldn't have done anything anyway. 958 00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:03,160 But yeah, So what happens basically is that the big unit 959 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:11,000 with all the good stuff, tax Deeter and nothing pretty much I 960 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,720 think. Yeah, I think wounds the 961 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,680 manticore maybe. That's about. 962 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,360 It it doesn't really do. Yeah, all those points. 963 00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,720 All those points. Probably more points than 964 00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:26,840 Dieter's worth, actually. Yeah, so 500 something plus I 965 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:33,680 would guess and like we said, he's sort of glass cannon, so he 966 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,240 doesn't have much protection, but if he's able to attack, he's 967 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,440 very competent. And yeah, So what happens is 968 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:47,040 they cause maybe 1 wound on the manticore and I think both the 969 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,280 general and the BSB are I don't. See it with. 970 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,200 Manticore, But the key, the general and the stand out, the 971 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,160 better stand off. Yeah, OK. 972 00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,080 Oh. Good Lord, I'll just work it 973 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,920 out. That is, that is 309 hundred 974 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:10,240 points worth 900 points. Is that one unit with all those 975 00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:11,800 things in there? Yeah. 976 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:18,480 That's yeah, that that's a huge amount of points to lose in one 977 00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,240 guy. Yeah, not good. 978 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,840 I think they get it wrong but in the in that book they said 979 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,240 Amethyst is a champion without not the Lord. 980 00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,960 The points are clearly followed. I've got always Lord listed, so 981 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,480 it might be different printings. Correct that maybe, but yeah, it 982 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,040 might be a top. French Prince. 983 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,760 OK, yeah, no in English when it's Amethyst wasn't Lord Yeah 984 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,240 with. The I'm looking at the scenario 985 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,120 right, not the report. Yeah, yeah, somewhere, yeah, 986 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,000 yeah. So, so in the English print of 987 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,320 the I said this book is like it's it's definitely first 988 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,400 printing. I've got it like a couple of 989 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,000 days after the that it was released. 990 00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,160 So Amethyst wasn't Lord. Yeah. 991 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:00,280 So they do say we're lording that. 992 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,720 So yeah, it's probably just a typo from the translation. 993 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,240 Maybe. Yeah, Yeah. 994 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:08,000 So that was a total disaster and you know, could imagine the 995 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,240 defenders reaction seeing the impressive unit charging and 996 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,720 then they. Just died. 997 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,760 There might have been some expletives that were thrown on 998 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,440 there I think. Oops. 999 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:26,960 And although the rest of the reinforcement, you know, they 1000 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,200 don't, it's not as disastrous, it's so not very impressive 1001 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,840 either. They don't manage to well. 1002 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,640 They kill a unit of horsemen I think. 1003 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,880 They they, they kill a very useful tactically unit of 1004 00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:46,640 horsemen that isn't used in the best way that that's probably 1005 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,800 the the, the one you know on the undead side that probably isn't 1006 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,760 used to best effect, I think. But yeah, a minor success in 1007 00:58:55,240 --> 00:59:01,720 otherwise pretty disasters, and I think the the key Slav wing 1008 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,120 dances failed the legit test, so they don't charge. 1009 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,120 That's right. Like like the great source of 1010 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,600 Midland or behind engine and that's for the mid. 1011 00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,920 That's that's the that's the issue is is that failure. 1012 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,840 Rest of it charges, doesn't damage great wipes out the the 1013 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,760 horsemen. Like we said, steam tank moves 1014 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,600 forward, blocks things up great, but the great source not 1015 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,120 charging the chariot. Yeah. 1016 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,400 And I think. Key that unlocks the failure for 1017 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,120 that for that contingent. Yeah, and something like a 1018 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,120 chariot. I think it's one of the few 1019 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,320 things that are a unit of great source on their own have a 1020 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,720 decent chance to actually something useful. 1021 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,960 Yeah. So all overall very 1022 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:48,440 disappointing for the Empire. And of course it it sort of sees 1023 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,920 their defeat at this point. I think we don't have to. 1024 00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,440 Rubber Lance, sugar coat. Yeah, for the for the for the 1025 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,920 whole contingent, it's called rubber Lance and drug charges 1026 00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,640 are looked impressive and then yeah. 1027 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,240 Yeah. So that's not good. 1028 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:08,640 So yeah, like we said, it's sort of the writings on the wall. 1029 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:15,080 And on the next Undead turn they are able to counter chance the 1030 01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:21,120 remaining reinforcements. And yeah, most of the Empire 1031 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,000 force fleece at that point, so of the reinforcement. 1032 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:30,320 So yeah, disaster upon disaster. Pretty much it's if you check 1033 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,800 the two maps kind of on the undead term 4 you've got lots of 1034 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,200 fleeing and not to give anything away, Empire turn format, lots 1035 01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:43,520 of skulls. The Kislev wing dancers actually 1036 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:49,520 are able to handle the attack by the skeleton horse. 1037 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:51,760 Takes them a couple of turns though, doesn't it? 1038 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,720 It's not like a complete charging one out, and that's 1039 01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,880 key. So I think only was it only one 1040 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,440 or maybe two of them died. So yeah, they were a little bit 1041 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:05,920 lucky there I guess. But like you said, the the aim 1042 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,400 of the undead on that front was to hold them up and they are 1043 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,640 doing that very well and actually both decimating the 1044 01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,680 wing ulcers a bit and getting rid of the all sources. 1045 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,880 So yeah, job well done. Yeah, for a really small, you 1046 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:26,320 know, a unit of 6, including the white cavalry, it's a really 1047 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,240 small force to send and they do a really good job. 1048 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:36,880 Yeah, so the, I mean the like we said, the turn 4 of the Empire 1049 01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,200 force, they they still have a bit of action going on in the 1050 01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,560 the settlement actually, because Deeta moved away to handle the 1051 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,840 reinforcements. So maybe that took the pressure 1052 01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,720 off them a little bit. So they had to do a bit of a 1053 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,520 comeback in the in the settlement. 1054 01:01:54,520 --> 01:02:01,520 They had to the the characters gang up on which ones? 1055 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,600 Zombies. Yeah, and also they are able to 1056 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:13,920 defeat a unit of ghouls. Yes, send the ghouls packing. 1057 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,040 So the ghouls charge it. Ghouls are one of those things 1058 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,600 that should be a lot more powerful than they are. 1059 01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:19,880 They've got, you know, they've got 2 attacks, they've got 1060 01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,200 standard human profile 2 attacks and they've got poison attacks 1061 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,280 as well. But just they've, they're just 1062 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:30,240 not a great unit from that. Because they they suffer 1063 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,840 skirmish, no. Not in this version, no. 1064 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,360 Skirmish came in in 6th. You know this their ranked up 1065 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,360 unit. And there was no there was no 1066 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,440 standard bearer model, champion model, musician model. 1067 01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,560 So people didn't tend to put command groups in them. 1068 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:51,560 So while the the Empire force is able to sort of slightly improve 1069 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,240 their position in the settlement, of course, they they 1070 01:02:55,240 --> 01:03:00,720 have basically no magic and D2 is still around doing his thing. 1071 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:06,440 So yeah, I mean, it's it's more comfort to at least make the the 1072 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,200 end result a bit a bit more even. 1073 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,520 But they don't really have much of a chance at that point when 1074 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,560 the the midnight reinforcement is pretty much defeated to a 1075 01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,560 man. The steam tank is around for a 1076 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,960 while, and maybe The Archers, but I mean they're not going to 1077 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,120 be able to do that much against the big enemy. 1078 01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,200 Yeah, I mean, in in reality, we look at it, it doesn't actually 1079 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,200 do anything to the Midland contingent. 1080 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,880 Obviously he kills the white white wolf. 1081 01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,440 What it means RFA flies over there and doesn't actually 1082 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,880 really do anything. He kills an Archer with a even 1083 01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,040 better off pressing the advantage in the in the village. 1084 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:51,240 Yeah, probably. And eventually the horse or the 1085 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:56,040 wing Lance is able to defeat the the under the horse. 1086 01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:01,320 But I mean, they arrive too late to really do anything much. 1087 01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,760 They do short unit of air or one of the skull capitals. 1088 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,000 So that's all they had time to do. 1089 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:14,200 I think. So yeah, in the end the Empire 1090 01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:19,480 forces are actually able to mostly hold the settlement. 1091 01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:24,160 But still I mean on points they are defeated. 1092 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:31,760 Yes, but not by much and I wonder why it's so tight. 1093 01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,120 How did the score with 20 points? 1094 01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:36,400 Because it says. Yeah, I guess. 1095 01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:40,160 I guess to get a few points, the special points for being in 1096 01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,640 control of the settlement, I guess. 1097 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,600 Yeah, you get 5 being in control of the settlement they killed 1098 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,040 out that they killed off the zombies. 1099 01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,880 The goal for fleeing at the end of the game they killed off by 1100 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,960 huge cavalry. The the points are there I 1101 01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,800 guess. But yeah, it does feel wrong 1102 01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:00,920 that it's so tight. Yeah, and I mean, if the battle 1103 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,480 would have lasted longer, it would not have gone better for 1104 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,120 the Empire, most likely. Oh, it's if he goes on another 1105 01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,520 turn, I think the village is pretty much lost. 1106 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,120 I mean, I mean, they don't have the Gauls anymore. 1107 01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:17,960 They don't have the zombies anymore carrying a dead. 1108 01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:19,920 You've got the crossbow then woo Hoo. 1109 01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,200 But the point is D to come fly in and start killing stuff. 1110 01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,880 Yeah. And also of course spread 1111 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:30,040 terror, although the leadership for the Empire mostly held 1112 01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,480 fairly well. They of course failed some, but 1113 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,080 it wasn't like a total route at any point. 1114 01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,480 So I don't think terror did that much. 1115 01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:46,560 OK, we're back again. And no, we will actually go back 1116 01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,760 in time just a few years. And I believe we're going back 1117 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:59,480 to was it 2022 and Boyle and maybe some of you dear listeners 1118 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,520 might have even been able to take part or watch this 1119 01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:07,120 wonderful event. But they will tell us more about 1120 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,480 what what went on and about the crazy people recreating this 1121 01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,440 battle. So I'd always had this vision of 1122 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:20,360 wanting to run doing Lord at Boyle and we had an opportunity 1123 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:24,160 to run it on a very large table. And my own vision of it was we 1124 01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,680 ran it as it was and just use a very large table to have the two 1125 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,680 battlefields, you know, the the main one on the kids, white one. 1126 01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,560 Yes, before do we need to explain what Boyle is? 1127 01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:40,240 I think the majority. Of Boyle, yeah, Boyle is so old 1128 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,240 Hammer. Not necessarily the concert Old 1129 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,920 Hammer, but the actual naming convention. 1130 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:52,320 Old Hammer came from a group of bloggers, my brother was one of 1131 01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,920 them that got together and started whinging about 6th 1132 01:06:54,920 --> 01:07:02,720 edition and later Warhammer, and that group set up a gaming 1133 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,600 event. After that term Old Hammer had 1134 01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,280 been coined they decided to have a gaming event in the UK and 1135 01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,440 it's grown and grown and grown. We not we because I wasn't 1136 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:16,680 directly involved, but Garth, who is a very nice chap indeed. 1137 01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,800 He was one of those original gamers that set up this old 1138 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,480 hammer group, as it were, that has grown to what it is now, 1139 01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:28,080 which is huge. He he had Marcus Ansell contact 1140 01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:29,600 him and say, do you want to do it at Foundry? 1141 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:30,800 And it kind of just grew from there. 1142 01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,640 So now it's become what it is now, which is kind of, I want to 1143 01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,640 say the premier. I would say that, you know, the 1144 01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,280 premier old hammer event of the world, but it but it really was 1145 01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,920 bring out your lead. It was the IT was kind of a big 1146 01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,200 stepping stone in the movement becoming as big as it is now. 1147 01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,120 Old hammer, you know, it's spread across the globe and it's 1148 01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,200 it's a term that's coined, but the actual term old hammer was 1149 01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,920 created by that group of bloggers. 1150 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,720 And, you know, I'm very proud of the fact that, you know, more my 1151 01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,000 brother was part of that. And whilst I'm not saying that 1152 01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,360 playing older games wasn't a thing, but the actual term old 1153 01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,240 hammer and the old hammer movement itself was yes. 1154 01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,320 I mean, they, they, they kick started and, and Boyle's 1155 01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,000 contributed to that massively. And that's a free ticket event. 1156 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,960 You can go along, play loads of different games, loads of 1157 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,960 different versions of Warhammer are there, you know, whether 1158 01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,840 it's fancy battle or or or space or, you know, loads of other 1159 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,479 games aren't necessarily Games Workshop. 1160 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:23,080 But it's that mindset of older games, you know, reviving those 1161 01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,680 older games and playing it with OK, yes, you can play with 1162 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,960 modern miniatures if you want. But really the ethos is, you 1163 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,920 know, older miniatures, painted miniatures, you know, taking the 1164 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,240 effort to do it. Yeah. 1165 01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,000 And just having fun with with older games and just making sure 1166 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,600 they don't die, you know, because they don't, you know, 1167 01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,040 Games Workshop can do whatever they want to They're go, you 1168 01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:42,600 know, kill it off and bring an age of Sigma. 1169 01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,000 Obviously they did that. They do whatever they want. 1170 01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,080 But our games still exist. They still, they have life. 1171 01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:50,439 Do they have current stuff being created? 1172 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,920 OK, you get some fan stuff. Yeah, but generally speaking, 1173 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,760 no, they're not. It's locked in, but that's 1174 01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,080 doesn't mean it's dead, that doesn't mean it's not the why 1175 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,279 and that's what Boyle is. It's a celebration of that and 1176 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,000 it's fantastic. It's an event I encourage 1177 01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,240 everyone to try and come to at least once. 1178 01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,040 And I absolutely intend to go this year. 1179 01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:14,800 I really hope I will be there too and see you, Dave and other 1180 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,120 people. And also that's I think it's a 1181 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:21,240 good chance if you want to, you know, see some of the and maybe 1182 01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:25,000 have a chat with some of the the big names of the industry. 1183 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,640 There's a lot of people who were mostly baggage previously in the 1184 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:33,240 Games Workshop from the current. But yeah, so there's also 1185 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:38,120 usually good show of names on that event, so. 1186 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,800 We'll come back to that in a minute because that's important. 1187 01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,359 So. So the Ansel's no longer own the 1188 01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:44,120 venue. They. 1189 01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,200 Register, yeah. Yeah, it's a case of them 1190 01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:48,319 because it's free. They don't charge us anything 1191 01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:50,439 for putting it on. Obviously you pay for food and 1192 01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,640 all that sort of thing there. You make money from selling 1193 01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:56,680 miniatures, foundry miniatures and selling food and things like 1194 01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:58,800 that. So there is a profit for them, 1195 01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,520 but it's not, it's profit from them for putting the event, for 1196 01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,920 hosting the event. You know, we do all the admin 1197 01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,520 and I get involved in some of that with with Garth, it's 1198 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,840 mainly him doing that. But it's just one of the tables 1199 01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,040 go so quickly now because it's so popular. 1200 01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,840 It is absolutely huge and we could never expected it. 1201 01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,320 The first one we did was in Nottingham and it was there was 1202 01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,120 quite a few of us there but it wasn't what it is now. 1203 01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,120 When was it? When was the first one? 1204 01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:30,920 Oh God, The first one, it was over 10 years ago because my son 1205 01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,280 wasn't born yet at that point. So yeah, it was over 10 years 1206 01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:35,280 ago. It was in Nottingham, the 1207 01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,200 original Foundry site. And yeah, it was a few times. 1208 01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,720 It was probably about 20 tables, two places. 1209 01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,440 So about 40 people maybe. Yeah. 1210 01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:49,240 And now it's just ridiculous, the number of people, it's 1211 01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,280 absolutely insane. And there's a load because it's 1212 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,280 Foundry, of course, it's, it's X from white dwarfs there. 1213 01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:58,440 It's definitely even if you only go to, even if you're only going 1214 01:10:58,440 --> 01:11:01,240 to look at the old stuff, you know, those miniatures into 1215 01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,240 display cabinets is worth going to foundry. 1216 01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,200 And if you come for boil, then obviously you get the benefit of 1217 01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:11,000 a boil as well. At the same time, yes, it's it's 1218 01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,320 amazing. I'm not a particularly social 1219 01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:15,360 person, you know, I've got reasons for that. 1220 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,280 I'm not going to go into, I'm not great at, you know, mixing 1221 01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,920 things like that. So to go there and feel at home 1222 01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,680 amongst people, you know, I've made so many friends. 1223 01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,240 I've actually made friends from the Facebook group as well. 1224 01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:29,920 You know, you guys are an example of that. 1225 01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,840 But I've also made friends going to boil and I now do other 1226 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,640 gaming events with them. Other things we go to not 1227 01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,480 necessarily big shows, but you know, we'll have like weekends 1228 01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:41,000 away together and game and stuff like that, you know, around 1229 01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,240 maybe at someone's house or, you know, local area. 1230 01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:49,520 So it's, it's, it's given me a huge group of friends that I 1231 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,360 wouldn't have had if I hadn't started going to it. 1232 01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,040 And I was sceptical going to the first one. 1233 01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,080 I didn't, I wasn't part of the the very, very beginnings of the 1234 01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,280 Oldhammer movement. I joined early on, but I wasn't 1235 01:11:58,280 --> 01:11:59,800 part of it at the very early days. 1236 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,400 And it was Boyle really that sold it to me when actually, no, 1237 01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,080 this is a thing. There is, there are other people 1238 01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,760 like me out there that want to play these games in the way that 1239 01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,440 I want to play them. It is not a tournament in any 1240 01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:15,360 way, shape or form meant to be competitive. 1241 01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:19,680 It's going, it's beer and pretzels and whatever, rolling 1242 01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,520 dice, having a chat, not saying about gaming. 1243 01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,520 It's, you know, guys getting together, having a chat, being 1244 01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:28,120 blokes playing their game. The games are almost, almost in, 1245 01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,280 you know, the the benefit, the the cool thing is getting 1246 01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:36,200 together with mates talking, you know, seeing these amazing 1247 01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,680 battles taking place, taking part in them. 1248 01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,240 That's what they're secondary. Yeah. 1249 01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,880 It's just a great event. So I encourage all of you if if 1250 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:49,240 you love, you know, our hobby, you know the historical side of 1251 01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,280 our hobby. I don't mean historicals, I mean 1252 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,680 as in the older games get along, even if it's just once come 1253 01:12:54,680 --> 01:13:00,000 along because it is just the most welcoming and inclusive 1254 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,320 event I've ever known in my life. 1255 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,080 And that's why I keep going back and I've not missed one. 1256 01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,320 I'm totally looking forward to joining this year. 1257 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,280 I. Will definitely try to make that 1258 01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:14,840 happen and I but I believe it's, it's quite likely and maybe we 1259 01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:19,440 can meet up and make, you know, a small episode of some kind. 1260 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,800 Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. 1261 01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,640 Maybe do some interview stuff? Because you do have, as said, X 1262 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,120 Games Workshop stuff. Come on, Rick, to a few of them, 1263 01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:31,440 you know, certainly we've had Gary Morley comes along. 1264 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,760 Yeah, yeah. Job launched, it comes. 1265 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,160 To most of them. Now, so a lot of it's with the 1266 01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,320 older stuff, it's kind of really, you've really got that 1267 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:46,360 going on and and then they come along, it's like suddenly 1268 01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:47,680 they're treated. Like rock stars? 1269 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,920 Yeah, we, because we we absolutely adore them and I love 1270 01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:52,640 them and and you know, Kev Adams has been quite. 1271 01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,760 Kev Adams does a sculpting thing most that most of them where he 1272 01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,240 gives money to charity, raises money for charity, sculpting 1273 01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,320 heads onto miniatures. So you can have your own Kev 1274 01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,800 Adams heads, but it's really difficult to get that happened 1275 01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,840 now because yeah, I can imagine. And also I think they they used 1276 01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,200 to make like a special. Miniature that they sell for the 1277 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,480 event as well. Not sold, not sold. 1278 01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:14,400 It's a giveaway. Oh, giveaway for all the 1279 01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,960 particular. People fund it. 1280 01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,480 Within the group, it's not. Known who's funding it, That's 1281 01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:24,280 the secret. And different years, it's 1282 01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:25,360 different people. Funding it as well. 1283 01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:26,160 It's not. It's really the same. 1284 01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:27,520 People every year, but it's funded. 1285 01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:31,200 It's a free miniature, which is why if you go and you get the 1286 01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,200 miniature, do not sell it. I don't think you guys would. 1287 01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,320 This is a comment out to anyone that's listening. 1288 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,280 Don't be a Dick. Don't sell it. 1289 01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,880 It's a free miniature meant in the spirit of old Hammer. 1290 01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:45,040 Don't then give it away. Give it away. 1291 01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,200 Yeah, give it away. Sell it for a few pence. 1292 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,480 Don't. Go on eBay and because we've 1293 01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,920 caught that a few times, people putting them on eBay as a rare 1294 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,920 miniature and making lots. Of money out of it, and that is. 1295 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,520 Banging out of order, Yeah, yeah, don't do that. 1296 01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,800 You're a Dick if you do that right Anyway, that out the way. 1297 01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,960 So yeah. So I think if if you are, I mean 1298 01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,320 if you are listening to this, I think. 1299 01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,040 You are into it. So I think this is will 1300 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,360 definitely be something for anyone listening. 1301 01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:18,840 So do whatever you can to join up and if you're intend to get 1302 01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,480 back to us and you know, we can perhaps meet up our own little 1303 01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:27,720 tiny sub community absolutely 100% So yeah. 1304 01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,120 So at the. Event they have lots and lots of 1305 01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:30,600 different tables. You can book them and play 1306 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,600 games. We also have a couple of 12 foot 1307 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,720 tables OK that we put on exhibition kind of games. 1308 01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,760 So these are this is one of these tables that we got for for 1309 01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,440 doom order. My thought I said my thought 1310 01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:44,040 process was just being able to put the two battlefields on the 1311 01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,520 same table. But my brother is a big one for 1312 01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,520 huge games. We've got a big collection 1313 01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,760 between us and he likes using as much of it as we can whenever we 1314 01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,680 can. So OK, I will enter. 1315 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,000 OK, we'll do a bigger version of the game. 1316 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,800 We decided to double the points for each side. 1317 01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:04,720 So I, I had the devious job of working out the army list for 1318 01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:06,160 both of them. He's not really into the admin. 1319 01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,560 That's why he's happy to say, oh, let's double the size of it 1320 01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,880 because he's been work for it and it was work. 1321 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,400 It was work because I was trying to that, that horrible word 1322 01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:17,920 balance. I was trying to balance things 1323 01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,520 out. And maybe that was my mistake, 1324 01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:24,880 but I was trying to make it not to, to still keep the essence of 1325 01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,520 the the scenario as much as possible. 1326 01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,880 And in hindsight, probably what I should have done is increase 1327 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,440 the size of the units as opposed to making more units. 1328 01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,200 But there we go. That's, you know, I did what I 1329 01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,520 did. And one of the things that Chris 1330 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,600 was, was ADVENT. He wanted to maintain. 1331 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,840 And again, it's case, I don't want to argue with you, so I'll 1332 01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:47,040 just do it is the and it is part of the scenario that that that 1333 01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:48,840 Dieter is the guy controlling the whole thing. 1334 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,840 There is no one else. He it is his willpower keeping 1335 01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,600 this army going, casting the spells. 1336 01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,240 So the thinking was we won't have a second necromancer, but 1337 01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,960 also we won't have additional Wizards for the empire side 1338 01:16:59,960 --> 01:17:01,400 either. We'll keep that level. 1339 01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:04,520 All right. And then I kind of got thinking, 1340 01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,920 well, I'd kind of like to put an ice mage in for the chisel 1341 01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,560 lights because that'd be kind of cool because it's not something 1342 01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,200 I'd never used ice magic before. So it's like, yeah, that'd be 1343 01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:15,840 cool. And I'd painted one up the amber 1344 01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,520 wizard with a polar bear instead of a normal bear. 1345 01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,280 It was really good. I like it. 1346 01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,400 And so we thought, well then if they're gonna have a wizard, 1347 01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,720 really need a wizard on the undead side in that part of the 1348 01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,200 game. So we came up with the idea that 1349 01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,600 it wouldn't be a wizard as such, but we gave the crown sorcery to 1350 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:34,480 a white Lord leading that contingent that kind of catch 1351 01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:35,600 it. There wasn't another 1352 01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,720 necromancer, but there was some wizardly power in that 1353 01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:45,240 contingent. So mistakes we made we the 1354 01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,040 battlefield. The battlefield was I was 1355 01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,600 playing a separate game and let Chris set the battlefield up and 1356 01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:52,880 he did a wonderful job there. If you look at there are some 1357 01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:57,680 photos in the 4th edition group photos and he did this. 1358 01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,240 Amazing thing with a. With a bed sheet and Maid 1359 01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:04,160 Mountain the mouse inside it, it looks stunning, Yeah. 1360 01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,000 And I guess in. Essence. 1361 01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,640 Very simple, but I mean, Jesus, it looks amazing. 1362 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:11,920 There's some stuff underneath it. 1363 01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,320 Sheep dumped. On top to make like peaks and 1364 01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,320 stuff like that by just dumping it you can actually get holds of 1365 01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,160 the sheep making those. Spray some white paint over it. 1366 01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,640 Boom. Kind of did a did like a 1367 01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:28,960 Xenothol prime Yeah it looks amazing actually looks stunning 1368 01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,120 and all the. Miniatures Stunning, but we've 1369 01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:32,160 made some. Mistakes. 1370 01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,880 So the Keys of Light deployment zone is where most of the undead 1371 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,400 ended up getting plunked. And that's it's a small channel 1372 01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,520 that we're going towards the village which made a killing 1373 01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,040 ground. So on the on the right flank, 1374 01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:46,920 yeah. And they shouldn't have even. 1375 01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:48,560 Been deployed there. That's not an area that. 1376 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,040 Undead can deploy, but we had so many models that we kind of had 1377 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:52,800 to do a little bit of that. Yeah. 1378 01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,480 And kind of I plot the models down thinking that the undead 1379 01:18:56,480 --> 01:19:00,560 players would deploy them. They thought I had deployed them 1380 01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,440 where they didn't change the deployment. 1381 01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:05,320 And we and we we. Had to get on with the. 1382 01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,520 Game, we had to play it, so that's the one thing we were 1383 01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,320 getting this into one day and it was a big game with lots of 1384 01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:12,800 players and that slows things down. 1385 01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:13,560 Yeah. How many? 1386 01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,280 What's on each side? How many players we must? 1387 01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:19,000 Have had at least at least three or four per side. 1388 01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:20,320 So was it? Yeah. 1389 01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,040 Did the did they play the entire? 1390 01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,240 Game or did people come and go? Well, my idea was that people 1391 01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,520 would leave contingents, but it didn't necessarily. 1392 01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,880 Work out and, you know, people will find what they want to do. 1393 01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,080 Yeah. So I I did it in the sense of I 1394 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,400 worked out contingents with people to command, but there was 1395 01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,360 a bit of a blurring of lines in some cases and some people 1396 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,160 didn't turn up that said they were going to turn up. 1397 01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,080 So we had to divvy it's out a bit more, but yeah, there was 1398 01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,960 about 3 or 4 players per size and some of them had very 1399 01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,640 different views on what to do. So that slows things down as 1400 01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,160 well. But that's that's on the slide. 1401 01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:52,280 You know, that happens in any game. 1402 01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:57,680 So that was the main issue. And then the the the coslite 1403 01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:01,560 unit lost it's. So I changed the skeleton 1404 01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,120 horsemen into white horsemen because that was a way of. 1405 01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:06,360 Using up points. So I ended up a point where I 1406 01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,520 was trying to think how can use up all these points. 1407 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,800 I've only got limited painting time left. 1408 01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:14,320 So things like converting scales and horsemen into whites that 1409 01:20:14,440 --> 01:20:18,320 for that that use up some points and they kind of come on a crown 1410 01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:19,600 of sorcery. Sorry, not going to come on. 1411 01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:24,400 Very expensive so that but what I forgot. 1412 01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,960 Or rather. Didn't read the spell correctly 1413 01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:34,000 the ice mage ended up with bridge of ice and basically and 1414 01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,760 tactically brilliant absolutely brilliant master class but I 1415 01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,640 hadn't counted on it in my thinking of you know because 1416 01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:42,600 when when you GM something like this you kind of have it in your 1417 01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,480 head so that should do that kind of the chess pieces kind of you 1418 01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:49,480 can never because you're not playing the games you can't make 1419 01:20:49,480 --> 01:20:51,480 things happen. But you think, well, logically 1420 01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:54,840 that yeah, OK, that, OK, that one, that sort of thing. 1421 01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,920 So that's what I done. But because I hadn't read the 1422 01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:01,360 spell, I didn't realize that he could move the undead. 1423 01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,600 I thought he could use his move his units. 1424 01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,560 He didn't. He moved the whites forward and 1425 01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,880 both and we had their teams to wing Lasso charged and just 1426 01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,280 slaughtered the unit. So he lost advantage and he was 1427 01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,160 basically that was the kids like part over. 1428 01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:16,880 There was a bit of chasing. Now I put some Chariots and 1429 01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:18,040 there's a bit of chasing the Chariots. 1430 01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:19,440 But generally speaking, that was it. 1431 01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:22,280 It was like it was over on like the first turn. 1432 01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:25,560 Yeah. So it's maybe it was the second, 1433 01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:26,720 I can't remember. But it was, you know. 1434 01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,760 Not like the original Battle that dragon, no. 1435 01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,480 Exactly. And then on the main 1436 01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:35,120 battlefield. Yeah, because most of the undead 1437 01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:36,680 army were getting each other's way. 1438 01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,920 Having only one wizard meant Deta couldn't couldn't, he 1439 01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,280 couldn't move enough units to keep the whole thing moving, so 1440 01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:43,640 it just ended up getting each other's way. 1441 01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,520 Installing shutdown was cannon and help losses were blasting 1442 01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:51,400 them apart. We did get into the village, but 1443 01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:56,560 the the game kind of ended because Dita took too many 1444 01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,600 basically just crossed by shots, handgun of shots. 1445 01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:03,680 Yeah. So we had the same level of no 1446 01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:07,360 potential in that game. Yeah, it was just volume of 1447 01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,600 shots, you know. If you shoot if, if you only hit 1448 01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:14,000 with 50% of them, yeah. And then 50% of those go on the 1449 01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,120 meant to call, 50% go on to Dita. 1450 01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,160 You know you're going to be knocking off a turn a wound or 1451 01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,240 two per turn on D because if they do hit him, they actually 1452 01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:26,160 have a 50% of. Making a wound on him so because 1453 01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:29,600 he doesn't have any armor, even if you only pick one wound off D 1454 01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,080 to per turn. Well, the sheer volume of shots 1455 01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,240 you'll put into and of course he had more things to shoot because 1456 01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,240 there were more units. Yeah, yeah. 1457 01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,440 He just he, you know, he he. Died in the end. 1458 01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:43,720 Before, yeah. And I guess he's a large target 1459 01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:45,320 as well, so it's not that difficult. 1460 01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:48,120 To hit SO. But yeah, but the actual 1461 01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,400 spectacle was amazing. It was, you know, forget that. 1462 01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,040 Who cares about that, right? Yeah, Yeah. 1463 01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:55,280 I think like you said, there's no like. 1464 01:22:55,480 --> 01:22:59,000 Tournament element to boil and. Of course, the people. 1465 01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,760 Going into it, I don't think they have any competitive sense 1466 01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,160 at all of that. If you're competitive, you're on 1467 01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:09,360 the on the wrong about. Exactly the only competitive 1468 01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,160 streak there was. Was always there when your boy 1469 01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,240 is being my brother because he's my brother and there is, you 1470 01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:16,720 know, competitive streak between us. 1471 01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,920 So there will be a little bit of harsh words I mentioned. 1472 01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,600 Yeah, of course, when you're in the matter you want to win. 1473 01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:24,280 So no. One else. 1474 01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,880 Well, actually I was trying to be neutral. 1475 01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:29,040 I thought he was as well, but he wasn't. 1476 01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:33,520 He was being Empire centric, so it kind of caused some, you 1477 01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:34,680 know. Anyway, we won't go into that, 1478 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,640 but this fetch was amazing. And the most amazing thing of 1479 01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,640 all is talking about the legends of of gays. 1480 01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,880 Jarvis Johnson was there and he came over and watched us play. 1481 01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:48,080 He wrote the scenario. He wrote the undead book. 1482 01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,360 The Guy, what was his reaction to it? 1483 01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,360 He was just. He was just like he was trying 1484 01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:54,800 to remember the scenario for a little. 1485 01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,480 While oh did I write that one that sort of thing, but just 1486 01:23:57,480 --> 01:24:00,120 having him there and just asked me some questions and talking to 1487 01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,240 him about it and the fact he was watching he. 1488 01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:05,000 Was smiling. Watching us play it and that I 1489 01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,000 said that that day was just the best day in the world because of 1490 01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,280 that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1491 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:13,000 He's letting the games, Rachel. Wrote the scenario. 1492 01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,720 We're playing and he's watching us and. 1493 01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,240 Smiling at what we're doing. And I'm just, oh God, it was 1494 01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,880 just the most amazing experience. 1495 01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:27,720 And that's one reason why I love Boyle, because it's just a real 1496 01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,560 community event, the most community event you could ever 1497 01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,400 get. Because I said there's no cost 1498 01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:33,720 to go. Obviously if you're going to 1499 01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:37,240 stay over, you're going to, you know, you've got a hotel and 1500 01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,440 yeah, you're going to get yourself there as well. 1501 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,600 Self is free. And I think there is. 1502 01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:47,000 A fair number of non. British people showing up as 1503 01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,200 well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1504 01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:49,800 Loads of people, they come from farmland. 1505 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,600 We we get quite. A few. 1506 01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,520 Usus old hammers coming along, you know. 1507 01:24:56,520 --> 01:25:01,200 You probably know some of them from Facebook and it, it just, 1508 01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,640 it's just grown and grown and grown and, you know, probably 1509 01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,160 the, the, the core that started it. 1510 01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,520 We don't necessarily always run the big games. 1511 01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,880 It's people who have joined since that running the big games 1512 01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,720 on, on the tables. You know, it's, you know, 1513 01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,720 there's a little bit of frustration maybe sometimes that 1514 01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,440 we can't get tables because it's a booking system and there's 1515 01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:24,400 only so many tables we can get and we think, oh, this we should 1516 01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:25,800 get to. But, you know, at the end of the 1517 01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,200 day, sometimes there's games going on and there's people you 1518 01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,240 can chat to. And, you know, said I'm not my 1519 01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,520 social person in the world, but I can still get on with it 1520 01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:33,880 there. You know, I feel, I feel 1521 01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:37,640 comfortable and I don't feel, you know, out of place. 1522 01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:41,280 It's it's just, yeah, everyone is there for the same reason. 1523 01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:42,920 They have sort of the same love for these. 1524 01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:48,480 Old systems and you know, yeah, I mean, there was, there was a 1525 01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,600 slight. Issue a couple of years ago that 1526 01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:56,280 there is a painting competition there and it was getting a 1527 01:25:56,280 --> 01:26:00,360 little bit too. We don't, we don't want to be 1528 01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:01,560 gatekeepers. No. 1529 01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:04,240 But some of the entries were losing. 1530 01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:08,640 The point of what it was, they were Sara Lee, old Hammer. 1531 01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,760 They were just people turned up to win a painting competition. 1532 01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:14,920 Yeah, not people coming for the event. 1533 01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:16,480 If that makes sense. Yeah. 1534 01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:18,960 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, the painting got to you 1535 01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,320 is kind of it's there as. Well, they came. 1536 01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:22,440 Forward. And there's nothing wrong with 1537 01:26:22,440 --> 01:26:27,360 that as such, but it kind of loses some of the essence of 1538 01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:31,080 what it is. It's it's not a, you know, even 1539 01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:32,720 in painting it should be a competitive thing. 1540 01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,320 It's just lost. Yeah, yeah. 1541 01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:39,520 It's not necessarily, you know. The most accomplished technique 1542 01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,800 perhaps you need the right model and so I mean there is some 1543 01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:44,880 absolute stunning painters that take part. 1544 01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:47,960 In the right outlet, of course, he is one of the best painters 1545 01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:50,000 I've ever, you know, stuff I've ever seen in my life. 1546 01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:53,360 You know, he he'll downplay his abilities, but it is absolutely 1547 01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,960 stunning, you know, you know, surpassing heavy metal 1548 01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,320 standards, you know, absolutely amazing. 1549 01:27:00,440 --> 01:27:04,120 But it's just it again, it should not be viewed as being a 1550 01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,480 it's it's really competitive. I was like, no, no, just come 1551 01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:07,920 along, have some fun. And if you win a Peyton 1552 01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,640 competition, that's great, but it's not, you know, it's not 1553 01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,400 about going to an event when you make and then leaving. 1554 01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,560 It's not about that. So, but aside from that, yeah, 1555 01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,200 community event, come along, please do enjoy it. 1556 01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,280 There is always, if you're staying in the area, there's 1557 01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,320 always a good number of us that go to the pub afterwards as 1558 01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,120 well. Continue the good times. 1559 01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:28,800 And that's part that's that's the whole thing. 1560 01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,120 It is the community. It is us coming together and 1561 01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:36,440 being like minded people about playing with silly toy soldiers 1562 01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:38,920 and just having a laugh with each other. 1563 01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:40,640 And it's that's what it's all about. 1564 01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:44,320 And the, the, the going to the pub or the evening to an extent, 1565 01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,920 in some cases even becomes the main event rather than the 1566 01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:52,280 actual game sometimes because it's just, you know, especially 1567 01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,200 considering this has run over the COVID period as well, which 1568 01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:57,880 was more even more isolation. So if you're feeling, if you're 1569 01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:00,800 a gamer, you feel isolated from the world and that come along, 1570 01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:04,920 join in, be part of something that is just and showing the 1571 01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:09,080 love to all of us. And and, you know, saying we're 1572 01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,480 all cool, we're all great, let's let's have fun together. 1573 01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,520 So how long is it over? Three days or two days? 1574 01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,600 So, yeah, so. It starts on the Friday and 1575 01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,080 that's quite a. Quiet day normally there's it's 1576 01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:25,240 getting busier at the Friday. The Saturday is now just insane. 1577 01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:28,880 You, you almost can't move for people. 1578 01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:32,520 You know it's it is. That busy, especially in like 1579 01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,400 the side, the side. So, so there's a main tent which 1580 01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,480 adds the flavour as well. It's kind of like you're, you're 1581 01:28:37,480 --> 01:28:39,560 on a battlefield, you know, you're generally in the tent. 1582 01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,880 It's kind of has that thing. So it's a big Marquis sort of 1583 01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:43,040 thing that the big tables are in. 1584 01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:47,200 And then there's side rooms that have some and the shop as well 1585 01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,560 that have tables in. And on the Saturday, yeah, it's 1586 01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:51,080 really hard to move in any of those really. 1587 01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,040 There's an open courtyard area that's easy to move around in. 1588 01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,200 But if it's raining, that's a bit horrible. 1589 01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:59,200 Or if it's really sunny, but it's August, if it's really hot, 1590 01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,120 that'd be horrible as well. You end up sunburn. 1591 01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:05,520 I played one year next reminder out there and got sunburned as 1592 01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:10,080 anything. It happens and sadly, you know, 1593 01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:13,920 Brian's no longer with us. Brian Ansell, for those of you 1594 01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,120 who know your games virtual history, you'll know that name 1595 01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:23,560 and the first few boils. He was absolutely amazing, he 1596 01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,400 really was. He was so keen and eager to chat 1597 01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:31,720 to people about the history and what it what, where it came from 1598 01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:34,440 Games Workshop as a, as a thing, because really he, if it wasn't 1599 01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:35,920 for him, there would be no Games Workshop. 1600 01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:39,840 He didn't start it. He made it become what it 1601 01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,800 became. You know, he deserves full 1602 01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,080 credit for that. And anyone that has a bad word 1603 01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,720 to say about him should bury their head and, you know, just 1604 01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,400 forget it. He if it wasn't for him, you 1605 01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:51,800 wouldn't have the Games Workshop you have today. 1606 01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:57,200 And one of my favorite anecdotes from that time was he brought 1607 01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:00,600 out the original metal cast of the Mighty Fortress. 1608 01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:02,920 Yeah. What? 1609 01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,320 The 4th edition, not the 5th edition one. 1610 01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:09,080 The the original 1. The the actual metal cast of it, 1611 01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:13,360 which must was, was, you know, in essence, it's not worth 1612 01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,440 anything but sheer weight of metal. 1613 01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:18,720 It's worth something and and sentimentality something you 1614 01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:21,160 know, and it should be given respect and love. 1615 01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,160 And he wanted to use it in a siege game we were playing. 1616 01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:28,200 But it's not painted. It's just pure metal. 1617 01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,680 It's not painted. So we didn't use it even though 1618 01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,560 we didn't use it. But then someone, I'm not going 1619 01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,080 to say who it was to my brother. I'm not going to say who it was. 1620 01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:42,720 It was raining as hell that day and he used it to weigh down the 1621 01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:46,720 tent flaps. Oh, so it's like, oh, oh, that's 1622 01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:48,000 a lack of respect a little. Bit. 1623 01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,480 But yeah, got a bit of structural use for me. 1624 01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:53,200 Yeah, I mean it. Didn't damage it anyway. 1625 01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:55,400 It's greatly huge lump of lead, yeah. 1626 01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:56,880 It's not going to take care of homes. 1627 01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,400 Use the wall sections to. Weigh down the tent flap 1628 01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,240 flapping back in the. Wind good one. 1629 01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:04,880 So how does it usually work? Is it? 1630 01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:08,800 Easy to get the room in the area if you're staying over. 1631 01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:12,760 Oh, that can be difficult because the rooms do go quickly. 1632 01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:16,240 There are always rooms and if you have to stay further out, 1633 01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:17,520 you have to stay further out. I'm afraid. 1634 01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:19,200 That's that's awesome. Yeah. 1635 01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:21,040 So if you're now you're thinking, oh, have I booked a 1636 01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:22,680 room yet? Anybody needs to think about 1637 01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:26,120 that. Yeah, it can be difficult, 1638 01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:28,360 especially in Europe. But you know what, there's 1639 01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:30,600 plenty of Airbnb places as well in Europe. 1640 01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:35,000 So you can go Airbnb if need be. You will find something. 1641 01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:36,080 It might. You have to pay a little bit 1642 01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:38,440 more. It's like you'll find something. 1643 01:31:39,480 --> 01:31:44,120 I tend to book my hotel kind of the weekend of boil the previous 1644 01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:47,760 year because I go to the same hotel every year. 1645 01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:52,560 Is your habit, you know? And on the come, we'll come from 1646 01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,680 going to. I have changed the hotel that I 1647 01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:56,800 went to. First of all, you might be still 1648 01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:58,720 be able to get into that hotel we used to use. 1649 01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:01,520 There's a travelling as well. So there's a few things there, 1650 01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:07,000 you know, But yeah. Most people do stay in the air 1651 01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,720 and come out to the. Pub and said afterwards and just 1652 01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:12,160 have a nice laugh with you, you know, and. 1653 01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:14,920 Chat to your. Mates and be geeky and sometimes 1654 01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:16,680 we talk about games or things, sometimes about something 1655 01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:18,920 totally different. It's just a case of meeting up 1656 01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,400 with mates, meeting up with guys and and and girls. 1657 01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,400 It tends to be a male thing. I'll be honest with you, it does 1658 01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:28,880 tend to be a male thing, as we know a hobby is, but that's not 1659 01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:31,680 exclusively male, though there are you know, there are some 1660 01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:34,720 women that do come as well and some people bring their partners 1661 01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:36,400 as well. Whether they enjoy the whole day 1662 01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:41,320 event, I don't know, but we have some kids sometimes as well. 1663 01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:46,760 You know, mostly they're respectful of the models and but 1664 01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:48,680 you do get the odd occasional picking up and go. 1665 01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:53,000 What's this? I'm afraid I had one year when 1666 01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:53,640 I. Ran the. 1667 01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:58,160 What's it called? The the dwarf scenario. 1668 01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:02,760 Battle rate of Eastgate One knocked my trolls onto the 1669 01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:04,360 floor. Onto a concrete floor. 1670 01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:07,520 They survived. They weren't even shipped. 1671 01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,000 Well, yeah, strong tone does. I didn't paint. 1672 01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:16,720 A strong tone creates a bit of a it's almost like a varnish. 1673 01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:20,200 Yeah, so. So they survived quite well. 1674 01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:21,800 But yeah, it does happen. You've you've. 1675 01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,040 Kind because it's a big event, there'll be kids there. 1676 01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,400 You kind of accept that might happen and just take it because 1677 01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:30,520 I love the fact that you're that interested in what I've painted. 1678 01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:32,680 You want to look at it. You've got to kind of have that 1679 01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:34,720 attitude. But if people did stop being 1680 01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:37,840 snobbish with with someone's miniatures, I think the whole 1681 01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:40,480 community or anyone that's around would kind of back up 1682 01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:42,840 that, you know, stop doing that, that sort of thing. 1683 01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:46,160 They're they're supporting. Ask if you want to touch 1684 01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:47,280 anyone's thoughts. Exactly. 1685 01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:50,720 Right. So yeah, I think anyone 1686 01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:54,120 listening should really, you know, be teased at this. 1687 01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:58,360 And yeah, if you are able to join up this year or any year, 1688 01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:00,400 it's absolutely amazing, I'm sure. 1689 01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:04,800 So yeah, hope to see you there indeed. 1690 01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:10,520 Yeah, and hopefully. The my excited voices conveyed 1691 01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:14,120 how much it means to me. Yeah, I think that definitely 1692 01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:19,000 came across that this is an. Amazing event and I mean, if you 1693 01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:22,560 or into and you are because if you are listening, you are 1694 01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:27,160 definitely into these games, whether you call it old hammer, 1695 01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:31,960 hero Hammer or whatever hammer. I think they all sort of aim at 1696 01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:35,760 the same experience and you know, attract mostly the same 1697 01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:37,920 crowd. I mean, there's no exact 1698 01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:40,120 definition of what what is old hammer, What's middle hammer. 1699 01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:43,800 I think that's not really an important distinction in any 1700 01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:47,680 way. Yeah, it started off being very 1701 01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:50,480 much third. Edition earlier and I'm 1702 01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:53,680 partially responsible for pushing like 4th into it. 1703 01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:56,720 And to be honest with you, people turn up and they play 8th 1704 01:34:56,720 --> 01:35:02,120 sometimes and I think also in like in different areas. 1705 01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:05,720 The idea of what is old Warhammer is different because 1706 01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:09,280 in England, of course, that's where you like. 1707 01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:12,800 In Sweden, I don't think more than a handful of people played 1708 01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:15,760 Warhammer before 4th edition. It was really, really niche. 1709 01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:19,080 It wasn't in 4th edition. But of course someone getting 1710 01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:23,080 into The Hobbit, like Eighth, they think 4th edition is 1711 01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:26,120 ancient. That's the oldest of Oldhammer. 1712 01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:28,720 So it is really it is ancient, but you. 1713 01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:33,840 Know is it Oldhammer don't know is it old warhammer yes it is 1714 01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,600 100% and that's you know but also we're a tolerant group 1715 01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:41,120 generally we don't tend to be grognards about it and people 1716 01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,680 will play 8th edition if I don't want to play 8th edition, I just 1717 01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,240 won't play 8th edition I'll come and look at Britney models 1718 01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:49,040 though and I'll ask what's going on yeah yeah and I mean an 8th 1719 01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:51,120 edition game can look amazing you. 1720 01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:55,320 Have these huge units that looks great exactly exactly and things 1721 01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:57,240 in the middle. To be honest with you, really 1722 01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:00,400 big games 6th edition isn't a bad addition to play really big 1723 01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:01,600 games. So almost a big tape. 1724 01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:03,640 We've done 6th edition before, you know. 1725 01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:05,840 So one year we played Warhammer Ahoy. 1726 01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:09,320 So we played sea battles that are out of the At the Generals 1727 01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:12,040 Compendium from six. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have 1728 01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:16,320 that one, yeah. Maybe if you're into HL Sigma, 1729 01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:19,560 maybe they don't bring that. I think maybe they're that's not 1730 01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:22,560 Yeah, pushing it a little bit. Nearly played, I've got to be 1731 01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:24,080 honest. But do you know what maybe? 1732 01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,760 I'm, I'm, I am expecting, I don't. 1733 01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:29,240 I think we might have seen the first ones this year. 1734 01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:31,920 Actually, I can't remember. I'm expecting to see more hammer 1735 01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,360 the old world there eventually. If it has, if it wasn't this 1736 01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:36,080 year, probably sorry, last year just gone. 1737 01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:37,520 It'll be this year coming up quickly. 1738 01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,720 And I mean the regardless if you want. 1739 01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:45,120 To play the old world, of course, it has revived the the 1740 01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:47,760 old beauty of it. I think you're making people 1741 01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:49,400 interested in the old models and so on. 1742 01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:53,720 And I mean, I've been pleasantly surprised by the made to order 1743 01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:54,240 stuff. They. 1744 01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:56,360 Oh, brilliant. Yeah, nice to be fantastic. 1745 01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:59,800 I I would. Answer I think old hammer has 1746 01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:03,920 sparked that but then that's in turn sparked more old hammer 1747 01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:07,840 because you said it's was the community that wanted it. 1748 01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:11,760 We found old Hammer and worked with that and then that's 1749 01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:13,240 obviously inspired Games Workshop to go. 1750 01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,880 There's a market there. There's people with disposable 1751 01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:17,320 income there. It's not kids. 1752 01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,080 It's all actual money to spend. So let's do this made to order 1753 01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:23,800 thing and that's in turn channel people wouldn't to old hammer as 1754 01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:27,520 well. So it's it's like a yeah, like 1755 01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:29,560 like a Dynamo keeping itself going. 1756 01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:31,840 Yeah. And I mean the the made to 1757 01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:33,880 orders yeah. I mean it's not cheap, but. 1758 01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:37,040 In the outrageously expensive right there, I think it's it 1759 01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:40,160 beats e-mail prices. It beats e-mail prices 1760 01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:43,320 significantly. Yeah, and anything that can 1761 01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,200 bring those down and stop people being idiots about, you know, 1762 01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:50,080 how much they charge for something, then then that's 1763 01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,760 that's got to be a good thing. I'm looking forward to seeing 1764 01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:55,200 many more major and I'd like to see almost kind of be a cycle 1765 01:37:55,200 --> 01:38:00,080 that maybe every sort of let's say August is like they'd 1766 01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:02,640 release some Empire stuff every you know, yeah, yeah, they would 1767 01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,440 have been amazing high off stuff and maybe maybe it's the. 1768 01:38:05,440 --> 01:38:08,240 Same thing as the previous. Year but it gives you a window 1769 01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:11,840 to get those things yeah because you're always here when you sort 1770 01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:13,600 of OK up in that these. Made to order. 1771 01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,280 Oh, we're still made to order. I missed that. 1772 01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:19,160 So people obviously sometimes miss these chances. 1773 01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:25,480 So if you had just just rounding off 111 Dream made to order, 1774 01:38:25,480 --> 01:38:29,120 what would it be? Oh my dream mate to order. 1775 01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:31,360 Yes, Goodwin's. Original scathing range. 1776 01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:36,800 I mean, I've already got them, but I still buy more of them and 1777 01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:38,400 you need a lot. It's my ideal. 1778 01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:40,040 It's my. Absolute ideal. 1779 01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:42,400 Love all of them. What about yourself? 1780 01:38:42,440 --> 01:38:47,240 What would yours be? Well, yeah, I mean, I, I am an 1781 01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:49,600 Empire guy. So, but I basically have 1782 01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,640 everything, but I would have liked a few more steam tanks. 1783 01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:55,440 So I think just one single model. 1784 01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:58,840 I need 8 steam tanks, so a few more steam tanks. 1785 01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:01,240 That's something to say that that's about I need a. 1786 01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:04,960 Few more steam tanks, yeah, yeah, that that implies you've 1787 01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:07,240 got a load anyway, but a. Few more would be Yeah, I. 1788 01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:10,680 Agree with you. I agree and also another one 1789 01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:12,600 would have been cool if they released. 1790 01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:17,040 Like a set of the old monsters, The 3rd edition. 1791 01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:18,640 Yeah, monsters. That would have been cool. 1792 01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,280 Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because I mean, pretty much all 1793 01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,280 armies could use that. So it would have been useful. 1794 01:39:23,480 --> 01:39:27,480 For everyone who's into the era on the Empire front, and they've 1795 01:39:27,480 --> 01:39:30,080 done quite a lot, but it would be nice to see them do. 1796 01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:33,800 The crossbow men yeah, the swordsman great swords. 1797 01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,680 He had a shite, but great swords, lovely models though. 1798 01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:40,120 And and do you know what would be really cool? 1799 01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:43,440 The plug in weapon soldiers. Yeah, I was thinking about that 1800 01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:44,840 when you when you mentioned these. 1801 01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:48,560 Yeah, because they are quite versatile. 1802 01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:52,800 To. To use as well as the Halbert 1803 01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:59,040 Swordman crossbow man and yeah, and just, they're just really 1804 01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:00,600 nice models. And do you know what? 1805 01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:05,800 They do they funnily enough, because they were virtually the 1806 01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:11,480 same sculpt, but they just evoke that hero quest soldier feel 1807 01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:16,760 that that was that kind of was it was kind of in that Perry 1808 01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:19,240 range, not all the models, but some that had that feel like 1809 01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:21,720 some of The Archers looked a bit like that and the battle masks 1810 01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:24,960 and stuff had that feel as well. That feel for trooper. 1811 01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:30,480 That is just like, oh, that's that's peak pop top empire for 1812 01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:32,360 me. So if they did those high range, 1813 01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:35,000 Oh my God, I'll be happy. And you could, you could sort of 1814 01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:39,360 make almost an entire army with. As it's always country, Yeah, 1815 01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:41,800 Jeff Solomon Sims recently did his own. 1816 01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:44,920 Version of those, he creates something very similar and 1817 01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:46,680 released them for a very limited amount of time. 1818 01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:50,640 They're really close to the hero quest aesthetic because he loves 1819 01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:55,400 hero quests and yeah, with those he also did a handgun as well. 1820 01:40:55,680 --> 01:41:01,000 So you really could make obviously not Knights, but the 1821 01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:04,000 fun troops, you could do an entire army of them. 1822 01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:07,680 I'll tell you what I say you could do is the Empire artillery 1823 01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:08,960 crew. Yeah. 1824 01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:11,800 Drews, all of them. They could do like a set of all 1825 01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:13,040 of them. Yeah. 1826 01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:14,520 You could mix and match them quite easy. 1827 01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:16,640 They they fit, you know, they did in the back reports, you 1828 01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:17,200 know? Yeah. 1829 01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:20,120 Yeah, I do that as well. I I never keep track of who's 1830 01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:22,120 actually. Supposed to be in what? 1831 01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:26,120 Yeah, War machines. So yeah, yeah, maybe not the 1832 01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:27,960 dude standing on the cannonballs with the mortar. 1833 01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:28,680 Yeah, yeah. That's a. 1834 01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:31,320 Bit of a giveaway and one holding a cannonball in his 1835 01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:33,200 hands. That's probably not the hell 1836 01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:37,200 Blaster so, but yeah, something like that, that would be really 1837 01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:39,560 cool if they did that as well. So I think there's a lot, 1838 01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:41,480 there's still a lot they could do with the race. 1839 01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:44,640 And then, you know, do they then go back even further than kind 1840 01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:46,600 of how far they've gone so far? Yeah. 1841 01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:48,960 Yeah. Because I mean, I guess 1842 01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:51,800 technically they have really some. 3rd edition models, but 1843 01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,200 they're sort of in the 4th edition era mostly. 1844 01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:57,640 But absolutely, why not? You know, imagine they did all 1845 01:41:57,640 --> 01:41:59,240 the different regiments of renown. 1846 01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:01,520 Not just Prince Luther's. If they did bugmans. 1847 01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:04,560 If they did bugmans through the ages you could get like the 1848 01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:10,560 originals all. Those ones, there is so much 1849 01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:12,320 there. Is so much possibility they 1850 01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:16,080 could do with this made to order, but if they truly 1851 01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:20,160 explored it, oh man, that it would it would be awesome. 1852 01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:24,120 Yeah, I guess maybe you know there is one limiting factor. 1853 01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:28,960 Do they have all the original bolts or can they recreate them? 1854 01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:31,920 You you can. All you need is an is is a 1855 01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:34,600 sculpt. And you can try and they should 1856 01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:37,640 have all of those. They could even print them. 1857 01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:39,400 Let's be told. Yeah, that's true. 1858 01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:42,520 You know, like, I don't think they ever. 1859 01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:44,000 Will, because that's almost opening the door. 1860 01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:46,680 And saying, oh, printing's fine. I don't think games were ever 1861 01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:49,920 going to say that because it's a low, you know, there's not a lot 1862 01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:53,360 of revenue on a printing thing. Yeah, no, at the same time, I 1863 01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:57,280 mean, they had to adapt to what? Is out there because printing is 1864 01:42:57,440 --> 01:43:00,920 not going to go away. Obviously it's no, it makes more 1865 01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:02,480 sense than molding stuff, but um. 1866 01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:05,480 Yeah, I just think there's so much possibility. 1867 01:43:05,480 --> 01:43:06,520 Yeah, I know. Yeah. 1868 01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:09,200 OK, let's call it there then. Yeah. 1869 01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,320 Been wonderful to chat with you and Lee. 1870 01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:16,400 Of course here to leave a little bit early, but we mostly talked 1871 01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:21,440 about not the action report. So at the end, great talking to 1872 01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:26,320 you as always Dave and I hope those who listened to enjoy it. 1873 01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:31,160 So see you at Boyle. I hope all of you indeed see you 1874 01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:32,960 buddy chat soon. Bye, bye, bye.