So today we're gonna put a special guests or two guests.
Actually, we've got Richard and Jazz from the bringing battle
war gaming, YouTube channel. So guys, thanks very much for
joining us. Yeah, that's right.
You're more than welcome a. I don't know why but everybody
calls Jason Jazz. Yeah, unless you got your jazz
hands, I don't know. It's Jason may all Jase Jase,
right? Okay.
I thought I thought was Jazz. Sorry.
Jason. Names.
I'm just terrible with them terrible.
Remembering them to relate with saying them.
It's like I can remember my own name.
Actually probably met Aubrey. Forget that at some point or my
bad. Yeah, of course I call myself
Jazz house that has it. I'm job.
But yeah. Thanks for joining us guys.
And how you've been having a played a big game of 40 case
ignition over? In the club there, in the
clubhouse. And now it's what, what time is
it over there now is 10. Past 12:00 midnight, right?
Okay, so it's yeah, it's getting well, it's in the early morning
late, but it's it's back to school and what 9:15 now here.
So, yeah. But it's not an open E.
Yeah, but you can. Thank dr.
The Viking, for getting you guys on because he said Josh, you got
to get these guys on and on the podcast and talk to these guys
and I said, okay I'll reach out to rigid and Jason and see what
if they if they could, if we can align the stars and, and get our
times and all that kind of thing, sorted out.
So please thank the doctor for making this happen, right?
I'm not going to do the Doctor Who Joe
he goes by all these kind of different.
Different aliases of names, online doctor.
He's one of your biggest fans. Name is one of your biggest fans
so see you do different names online and Doctor the Vikings,
probably the one that people recognize the most cause he does
the Cowabunga 40K painting challenge.
It's like third season now, I think.
Yeah, I had a hairy guy with the Cowabunga image on its Facebook
page, that's it. Yeah, become a friend.
Yeah, right all sides. Yeah, he's bloody famous me.
You know, it's famous Community. Like I can take it.
You look, you're not really good at technology but you should
know your fans back. Come on.
Oh yeah. People's.
Oh yeah. He's a he's embracing the second
portion of what we came here from Rome.
So you guys do the same because you guys produce some really
amazing battle courts that I think most people know about,
but if they don't, then they should go and check you guys out
because you saying that mate. I mean, I've watched I've
watched all your second edition stuff and they've been really
good. I mean, your terrain is great
and I've got to say I'm going to get it in now.
Your aux look amazing. Thank you very much, your baboon
aux with. Those Banners are just our
manager scream second edition and there's so well painted as
well. Thank you very much.
For what, that six or seven months, or something like that.
Quite a long time. I think if it feels like 12
months, I think the last time we corresponded about something, so
and he said, oh, this is really nice.
Yeah, the Goblin King. Yeah, he's a great guy, really,
generous with his time and that kind of stuff with, with
communicated with me. Anyway, and sent me like tons of
photos of new stuff that's coming out which I cannot share
that. It's very kind of him that.
Yeah. Spoilers on the chat, that
things are coming along the pipeline.
It's, they'll be worried excited about, but if you like, if you
like the 40K Gretchen that I did for my, for my Army, through
nightmare games, will there be a slew of new designs coming out
for that? Wow, which I saw this morning,
which look really cool and some goblins for Fantasy battle and
that kind of thing, as well. So he's already very cool.
And that's really good. He's doing so much stuff going
to count. You get Nightmare games because
not many games. Basically the main company that
sort of commissioning him to do a whole stack of designs for 40K
and fantasy. Wow, that's really good, though.
That means more money. My workspace one of work, but
there is kickstarter's come out through the year that what least
to a year maybe. Any of his stuff exclusively
basically. So if you look on Facebook at
space, Raiders is Right space. Breeders.
I'll put links in the show notes guys that you can go online and
check out nightmare games. It's a Spanish company.
That Diego made a mine runs. And yeah, I've been, you know,
I've been sort of, you know, promoting his stuff is amazing
when we were growing up. Are you concerned about Adams
was the Golden Oak guy? And his models were amazing.
I really, really tough that he's still going Jim and he still got
it all. He's like what he must be in his
60s now I think yeah I think he's getting close to retirement
because he's doing a lot of Renovations on his home and I
think he's getting to the stage where you know he's probably
going to finish up in a few years or something like that but
you know, grab grab the designs while you walk hips.
Still out doing work because I think at some point is something
that could ease. Yeah.
It's provide enough money or whatever.
He can comfortably retire or something so good on if we were
lucky enough. J's company years ago won an
event to go to war hammer World. Hi.
And I mean I it was great, we walk around the corner and I met
Jazz Goodwin farther. The Eldar and I was talking to
told him, I still use the original Elder Walker model, He
was well chuffed with that. And I said, I'll better go now
because obviously I don't want to take it for you Tony just
tell her, I said well no one else wanted to talk to me, how
we we talk for a minute. So excited.
By the fact that I was still those brief anybody?
Oh yeah, amazingly friendly guy. Yeah, really stoked of man.
Let's have a good time, yeah. That's all right.
But guys tell us about yourselves.
Like how did you guys get into wargaming in the Hobby and that
kind of thing initially? What we like to read your list.
Yeah. So maybe Jason was like to start
Jason with how you hey you got a job.
I'm going to create my cup of tea.
We went round to me a friend's house and his older brother had
dungeon dragons models. And we've basically saw those,
it was like, oh, of course, when his older brother went out, we
would radius stash of models, and then make up our own game
then, as I got older, we just went and bought the Will Hammer
fantasy, roleplay book quality at every single race in it.
Then we base A build-up armies and then got the Warhammer
fantasy Army box sets and is that start off with drawers and
fantasy. Then then, 4ek came out, I
started dabbling in with bits of pieces of that and it just built
on and on and on until basic. Now, I'll just look so many
models. I don't know what to do with
well do, but I got paint ball yet.
Yes. Well for starters, that eight
eight or nine basic around with friends house and he's up to his
older brother. We just move Nick in those in
playing with them while he wasn't there because you're
going to give us a white cloud else.
But yeah, that's fair but it really I mean then I went Games
Workshop and every Thursday night when he's a gamer night,
Max more people in there. That's how I met Rich.
That was quite a few years ago. Wow.
Just go. Yeah, let's go.
Yeah. So we had two tree, four years
ago we played ever since really. Yeah oh yeah yeah but I was
that's pretty much it. Well think we've got nearly
every Army Under the Sun apart from since hell.
Yeah. That's how I got started.
Like the role play Edition, you're talking about, but first
edition then you've got into like Third Edition whammer and
Rogue Trader. Typically the Rogue Traders
much. I paid the second dish in 4k but
the Warhammer fantasy roleplay de basically, a big old butt was
for hand Warhammer fantasy roleplay.
And then from there they went be used as like as kids just been
caught more and more models and they bought out the battle
version for it. You know, when you've the big
armies and I started with dwarfs and decide who would nose up
slowly slowly, I think that makes Ed Wood elves.
And that and I don't know what is called, earliest, fancy
battle was on the box. Sets was plastic elves and
plastic goblins I think, oh, that was or is it 4th edition?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Which basically with that and just everything from then on it
was just every time they bought a new book out or boxset kind of
got it then, got the original Space Marine.
I would like to say both sides idea when was Titanic S.
I didn't get that one, but I got this Space Marine the Epic I
know that was quite popular game.
We are playing that. Yeah, it's just got more and
bigger and bigger and more and more, to be honest.
And say, nearly every book set of game, they came out, end up,
getting it just to get more money.
But yeah, it was some It was a long time ago, so don't remember
much, it's chill. So many editions of then and now
is it's a bit blurry, especially the fantasy but Then when I just
think I'll call you do fantasy build your community.
Yeah. Yeah.
What's your fantasy? Yeah.
But what was the last Edition before?
When the age is Sigma 1 Edition was on 8th Edition.
I was like, yeah. Wow, which will not speak about
on this podcast. Okay.
Yeah. I actually played a couple of
games of a tradition and it just wasn't my like I came back into
fancy playing, it's a tradition after a long Hiatus out of the,
like the Games Workshop gaming thing and it came back into with
a tactician thinking, I'll be cool to get back into fantasy
again after all these years and it just wasn't my addition and I
don't know why I stopped playing all the hero Hammer editions.
I you know I could have just went back and played fifth
edition of found somebody to do it with me but it didn't.
Took a lot longer after that, until I came back to it.
But yeah, I think a tradition was a last one.
Then they brought out, then they blew up the old world.
And then they, they had a fanbase creation of 9th stage,
which is still kicking around, and then a jazz singer.
Came along. Do you guys play a jazz singer
at all? No, no.
So I know the night they age. That's just farm-based that.
Yeah, that's fan basement yet. That's kind of like the use of
the ITC International Tournament committee or whatever it is.
They're basically the some kind of, you know, I think the guys
who are like to play the who like to play Fantasy
competitively design, their own sort of rules based on, you
know, making the list of more balanced and all that kind of
stuff. I've never played it up to
seeing this black and white you know, 900 pay.
Each Manifesto brought to our games on one day and I thought
there's no way I'm playing there.
God no, no, well, no, sorry, yeah, it's not my cup of tea.
But yeah, like it's pretty popular with people who like to
play that kind of style of fantasy.
But, yeah, there you go. But Richard here that you might
actually get started. Well, I suppose there's a very
similar story to Jason in it. Well, I, I've always paid for
Toy Soldiers ever since with little Ted, my remembering that
and very small, vinyl fold up Battlefield with plastic toy
soldiers and Our out trees. Not source does not, pay the
death over Christmas and then I think, like, JT I went down the
Dungeons and Dragons, route joined a group of school, paid
Dungeons and Dragons ends up. Becoming a dungeon master.
I'm one of my school report said, if Richard concentrate
more on his schoolwork, them Dungeons & Dragons, he do a lot
better. And as you can tell mother was
not pleased. So I got, I got planned for
plaintiffs, drag it from India whole term.
Oh, And then I cast my own models from Prince August and
that was great. 25 million molten lead.
Always always good to do that. So we used to make massive
armies, didn't never pay get them, mounted them on cardboard
paid was it this second edition? I think a little box set for 10
fantasy battle you had freed it real book.
Tune it? Yeah.
And the magnificence fan or something.
Did you ever play that one? It was like we want to.
Seven characters, man. That knows those click it and I
was it tear the Lich King or something.
Remember, it was a terrible night's King.
Also, we wanted so badly to master or leech, that's it.
And then, from there, we went into Third Edition Fancy with
the hardback books, with the level 5 10, 15 Heroes, it around
with forth. But at the same time for fancy
come out, Rogue that time we had been playing Rogue Trader as
well and then I think I'll get me tie lines mixed up.
And then second edition paid a lot of second position.
Oddly enough never did even know Jace never paid second edition
with Jade. It was meant to Games Workshop.
Apply Third Edition from dish, was in the queue, we just end up
got chain. Then we ended up meeting at the
gaming clubs aren't enough. People would always end up
watching our games for some bizarre reason.
So maybe that's portent. That's because of Two tank of
gas. Oh, don't get back to tank up
against the wall. So I couldn't attack the rear of
it so I couldn't win the game. When we genestealers And
everybody was laughing. I wasn't obviously.
And then Francine went out the window with never played it
since and just carried on with every edition of 40K after that.
Yeah, you get above but the dancing with a group of friends,
who are you waving that years ago?
If you had an army that was your army, you didn't spread into
other armies, you couldn't like a case, had a Like, An Imperial
Guard Army. Then none of us will collect it.
So we all are For NAMI. So we will never say mom.
He's fighting off against each other but and then Jason I
started the channel and it's really exciting to be able to
think what I can do different armies now.
Yeah. So worse was slowly building a
chaos Army. I've got some models, I got to
go for a chaos. I mean Imperial Guard Army.
A Space Marine Army. I'm going to slowly add read it.
Going to do a full-on harlequin Army, but I think the paint
skills are never going to be able to skip the match for that.
But yeah, Harlequin Army of it's going to come at one point.
Yeah. So that's really it done down
the faculty route into the Sci-Fi rig.
I mean I think you probably played it.
So Jim do those fighting fantasy books to your own adventure.
Yeah, some of them. Yeah, we good.
Yeah. So, yeah, it's very fancy
orientated until we went into the Sci-Fi.
Let's read it in a sense. The exceed ever played golf
more, cruel militia. No, no, no, I didn't really see
the appeal of them could have been going for then you have
space. Oh, yeah sure.
They kept bringing out the expansion pack for the deaf ring
and the close of jeans to the cult.
Whatever. But were in there.
All right, because that's one of the good things about your
channel is that it's very, I like the style and format that
you guys present in your videos, but it's has that sort of
beginning of the before we even get to the game.
It's like, you guys are sitting down just chatting about
naturally about, you know, that the list you brought and why you
brought them, what mission you playing and that kind of thing
and then you have like a pose. That'll kind of chat as well,
but it's always nice to hear those spontaneous moments during
the battle, when something happens and you guys are
laughing. And just having fun and just
enjoying, you know, just doing a naturally.
It's not kind of like it's not rehearsed or anything like that.
All very spontaneous and fun so that's one of the don't even go
over there tonight, right? Because we just finished our
special report. I know I mentioned to you on
when we did. No messenger.
The get those free sex is for his armor penetration on my, on
my democracy tank and he wrote three sixes posture straight for
the weapon. I could not believe it.
I mean, that was spontaneous because even though I thought
that's per tank on were both laughing Oriental.
Yeah. You might watch a game for a
little bit and then move on. You're kind of, in a sense,
looking over our shoulders, just watching the game because
whether we were filming or not, this is how we would be, yes,
exactly. Yeah.
Is exactly how it would play out.
We don't there's no answer graceless it.
I suppose in a sense portal bent of us deserves.
Yeah, goofing around two blokes goofing around and you have them
watch it. It's a window into the way we
gain you later to make it a commissioner.
We just break up as you go along.
Hannah. Yeah, simple.
But it's also good that you guys have been gaming for such a long
time. You guys are stuck together
since for such a long time. Like since you guys met at the
Games Workshop store and you still gaining, which is awesome,
it's a great story. If it is because someone posted
on the outer forearm, they're doing a games workshop's doing
and I've been kind of thing and Scatter Lakes is are now six
shots standard. Well they used to be in second
edition so it's been 23 years back to six shots on a scout
leader. Punto.
Yeah. Whose place in the keep going.
The same, always full of human mind human sky.
Like this here. Can Cobble went down to 12
inches or still space part so well, that one laughs.
Oh, no, don't hold a grudge, but it's been 24 years and we got
this basic weapon going till the day.
I die. All those right unique is that
we get. We get our fate for free.
All right. You guys are still actively in
the community. Like you actually, you guys have
actually playing the. Is it the ninth Edition?
I don't really follow a lot of the modern stuff in a at night
that now, we do not know and I got to be honest with you.
Both struggling with it at the moment.
Yes. Lost it it's yeah if it wasn't
for the it comes to something. And Jason I've told about this
quite a lot is Used to be, you'd be so excited that a codex is
coming out. And we're still waiting for my
order, my needs chaos demons, and the guy.
And it's like, we're getting all these teachers with the Elder
and generally, I'm like, whatever.
I can't even get excited over it.
It 9th is really for us, kind of Killed the major enjoyment that
we used to have only enough 84 things more fun.
Yeah, we don't hate you at all these random cards up for.
Oh yeah, the most important. Yeah, just great.
And the objectives could be pasted randomly anywhere where
with night is so this time and time again, it's set up for
tournaments, which is fine if you run in the tournament, but
that's what we ended up trying to pay a lot of the Crusade
games because it was a lot more straightforward.
You didn't have to do a lot of admin.
Boy, calculating your victory points because when Watch
tomorrow battle reports. You can see we can add up when
we're doing the weapon skill. Dose for the second.
A bit difficult. Yeah.
Respects too much Avenue. It is a little bit of and it's
too much pregnant but like say if you're running the tournament
it's amazing because it just helps you set everything up.
So, I get that, but and the matter, I think Bruins games is
one minute. All our enjoys seeing this
portal. Only a couple somewhere.
Someone else at the line is using about five or six of these
units, because they're really good in competitions.
And then the it all filters through the constant updates.
And that, obviously, you can see, we're not good on
technology trying to keep up with everything.
It just kills your brain. Yes, we went to Power 8 and it's
like, yeah, yeah, we do is get all the toys all the time.
Don't have to worry, don't get up.
When the points why you changed on the ray floor because of guns
better or something like that? Well, I got they're not paying
for any way our rain job done, which is totally unbalanced.
Anyway, especially when you get one of your death, God come
back, ridiculous man. Yeah I just kind of lost.
Yeah. It's I'm humping it on kind of
hope when the code it tomorrow. It might kick it up the
backside, but then I would like coding and stuff like that.
So let's see what happens when the other one.
And the Net 10 chaos, one. The second seems to be more fun
more more, I mean that some parts but it's a lot of fun.
It's a lot more character. Thank you.
Yeah, definitely. Well maybe we'll kind of hoping
at one point something blew up in a open.
The turret which spin off into the distance and land on my
command school but never have no sorry about that.
How could it be? But what was it?
That brought you back? As you know, you guys probably
falling through all the different editions of 40K and
that kind of thing. And Playing them to your heart's
content and collecting all the models and that kind of stuff.
What were actually brought you back to playing second edition?
You want to do that, or should I?
I just went along because I'm too lazy to think that I'm a big
bully animated. Do it.
Yeah. I don't like night for paying
second, which is pretty much it, right?
The first has to be enjoyed. Why'd you stop playing that?
Because we always think we should progress.
I got nice models out there. Wanting the models are me, but
we always think you should progress through that through
the additions. Your we always hope that each
division will be an improvement on the last one.
Isis, really hard to get your head around because all the sun
especially like with all my corner, fix that.
What do you mean? They wound on a three?
That's ridiculous. But then they're only getting
wounded on a three choke on a balanced out with certain
weapons. But yeah, we just know it was
like we started doing the channel and what I noticed was
we were hardly getting any hits on our night vision.
Better of course but then there's so many out there doing
anyway it's not be surprised. Yeah um we're just started but I
said the J. So I started getting him as
because of old age, I started getting quite nostalgic over the
second edition stuff. Mmm and I joined a second
edition page on Facebook, join us.
Well yeah. And oh my God, these are
amazing. Remember this game I said the
Jace Jace. Don't be funny.
Just ask you doing second edition because there's no one
out there doing at the time, but I could find second edition
Battle reports. They said, oh, we can give it a
go. So we got lucky through eBay and
Facebook Market, I ended up. This book was stolen three,
basic rule books, the rule books, the weapons, and the Be
stress-free over the Chinese Imperial Palace.
Yeah, yeah. Well,
boxset cheap as chips. We're missing a couple of things
like the destructor steam of Correction template, but we've
just so heavy claim, a template for that, but it just suddenly
snowboard and we suddenly had Because we've been gaming for so
long and we hadn't done second edition away from each other
didn't know each other existence.
I'm sure we had a load of second edition models but never seen
like Dale's because yeah, it's like the first time range like
well what's the point of taking those in night?
They're just gonna get trashed. Now, with a whole new reason to
stop hating new old models up and as you see models would
never see that the table because Jason's show for shame is
massive. It's not yeah, it's bigger than
mine. You got a garage and it's full
of unpainted stuff, but just in fact we both said, oh my God.
I'm actually excited to dig out my second edition stuff.
Like Jason Mora's you would never think about pain is never
use a midnight is like oh my God I can paint these.
Yeah I mean I've got so excited just strip down a load of my
second edition Warriors from he needs to that and then repaint
with the contrast paints. I was dead against contrast
because it felt like cheating but Results were amazing.
And that's really the Nostalgia Rush.
Is like how it is amazing, you don't need loads of models in
seconds. I mean we were at about 50 moles
of a marine to you like 2,000 points.
So it's like yeah, Peyton an army that was quite quick' when
it especially where you'd better.
Yeah, it's pretty black. A little bit and you'll see it
does. Oh no, not even a mention.
I want to paint competition. This is a real stopped out every
last. Drop out.
Yeah. Seven times in played in there.
Yeah, that's yeah. That's right.
Well, that's Roy's. I think it's Nostalgia but then,
you know, small she's got into it and you some realize rules
are like really. Oh my God, you've got to treat
every even though they're a unique, you got to treat him as
an individual model. That it's really a skirmish game
them. Yeah, I meanyeah third
changeable that become bowels. My stupid 12-inch shooting
Campos. Hey DOMA.
Sorry. Yeah, you know, I'd like that
because I, you know, I played it with Paul here for the first
time in my 25 years. Something like that, something
crazy with my talks and his, his sister's a battle.
But yeah, I really enjoyed this small scale and like you say the
Skirmish element sized. Yeah.
Thing about second edition because there's a lot going on
even though there's only a few models on the table.
There's a lot of stuff happening like this lot of charts and
tables and vehicle data facts cards and you Psychic phase.
And, you know, there's still heaps going on.
But one thing they're very like I said, a very small scale, you
know, operations kind of thing, but the mission cards and thus,
the, what are they called the strategy cards, just add all
that extra flavor, you know, to the game and it just, it just
makes that replayability just so much more fun.
See you fine, though, it's got a lot more character.
I mean, you look at second edition about any other
addition, as I think gross it's got a lot more character.
I mean we were just talking about the Codex.
Tails is a fantastic codex, but it's got little Snippets.
Like the fact that terminate can't teleport because they
haven't been able to maintain the technology, but they're
quite happy to use plasma guns every turn even though there's a
chance of them overheating where the Imperium like to let them
cool down. You know, it's little things
like that. I'll come right back laughs
laughs. Yeah, definitely.
Well actually reap Priestly said in a recent interview on the
class dice podcast that a lot of a lot of people actually refer
back to the second mission codexes for all the law and
fluff and that kind of thing because they kind of lost it in
Third Edition, they can like, I'm not a I'm not a big personal
knowledge of the other editions because I dropped out after
second. So I don't really know much
about all the other stuff but apparently they had these sort
of Pamphlet sized really thin kind of books available food.
Addition, they did sort of dropped all the law and fluff
and they just went straight to the Army listener, kind of
thing. Well, Rick said they were always
referred back to the second edition ones because they had
all the law had all the good stuff in there.
That sort of got lost over time and they this the sales and
marketing guys that said, okay, we just want something thin and
you know, we just want the gaming stuff or not the not the
fluff and you know all the it's the flow Stormborn.
Yeah, absolutely made it really gets strong.
The Narrative about Wilson paint like, you know, for painting
wise and army building wise, you know, like starting a whole
project, you know, you want the fluff, you want the background,
you need the inspiration, and that kind of thing.
You need the stories to really, you know, bring out that, you
know, the theme or whatever it might be to your army as well.
And not just the the stats, the stats don't really do much for,
you know what I mean. You really want to have that
Reese. We fought.
That's it. It's like if you're a marine
playing now, he would see. To be collecting the Marines.
Just because they've got certain rule for their chapter wearing.
S your collections because you over like the color blue or you
like the history of all trees, all you got the history of the
Blue. Angels is nothing really in them
that they make the much different path from the
storylines, the background and it's Elvis.
It doesn't do this that line. Just like the older couple days.
Yeah. It's like you got for craft
worlds. But you never even thought
making your own or didn't, but you got full craft rose and you
go for a craft room, you'd like the color off and maybe the
background story of it. And then it's just a name is no
different way of paying the Elder.
And the only thing I'm really come up if you but the Marines
because your blood angels and angels are not going to pretty
yeah, there's nothing major but major the spatial coordinates
was good though. Yeah.
But that chain that was the hard codex.
Those wolf God were nightmare. Or just over the so kind of bull
Trend this year. Yeah.
Cheers. Nice.
Part about wants to cut a deal with Bernard Bernard Storm
Shield, logo, actually type table, which is soaked almonds.
Everyone needs. I don't rate, I got across the
board, Bernal storm shield and just dust pan and brush me
models of tables around us. They were horrible, we see the
love, the space will tell, but I hate fighting.
I think the fluff and the background of the space was
amazing, but I hate this, an army.
I hate to fight. If I killed since just, just
just just take your Dark Angels next time me and when you play
them have a word doc or changes or horrendous, they get plus one
for being charged and then the next time they get past 14 still
being in combat. Yes.
He's got the physical sport that first night when it was the Or
the bus, a bus, didn't make any sense for the upcoming, not at
all. I mean, I don't know if you saw
what will I do. Like is you've got all the
second edition stuff but now, 20 or 23 plus years later we've got
all that new fluff. I mean there is no way when
second edition come out that I would have done like an iron
craft will fiend army with loads of great guard and criminals
Wait, just you never even thought about way.
But then, when third edition come out, you had waged informed
that you always because I craft will codex that little Panther
the combined with other for Minecraft world.
And the way you use more, whatever was great.
But again back then you never done that.
I always filled it in a range of force.
Which was great with that range of Destruction table.
But then 23 years later, talk and Jason.
Hang on a minute. I've got a lot of race, got it
home. I'm never going to use them.
Strip them contrast to them, or got annoyed and crafts for Ravi.
That's a she could crazy the payment.
Yeah, so we've been thinking about because of all the models
we got stripping them and in doing like still second edition
but using the fluff of maybe third You formulate an army like
because II one thing I've always wanted to do is a like a
scouting out or Armijo. So a lot of ranges I mean got
like 60 of them but you never feel about in an army.
So we're looking at 1500 points from Rangers scorpions Walker's,
vipers fast, moving stuff and do it as a theme thing.
And we were onto enough talking about this tonight.
Instead of keeping a hoarders one color because the days for
us of Fielding massive, armies are gone.
Yeah. We've ever used to gaming a
garage and either set up and stuff like that but now we've
got to think like the sweet spot is about 1500 points and I could
have with the ones I got a belt, an Army full of aspect Warriors
and maybe the Avatar a range of thoughts with Scouts and wipers
all workers and paint it to that.
True color of the great. It's all about.
Crippled Marino means I can't feel you do.
Yeah, that's all you did hate. Yeah.
That's like so they should just
be Scout all Scouts and one or two squads of normal Marines for
about 2,000 points, you imagine, I would infiltrate you though.
Yeah. All on your pasta, two units
about don't rain forever. Be the only we had super go on.
Was you really should put him down with, I've got a salamander
Army. I've got basically three armies
of Flesh, tears. Going from Second Edition from
for upwards and night vision or roughly 2,000. 3,000 points in
your collection. A lot bigger than mine.
Yeah, I just got carried away. Yeah, it's just like more down
and it will place you think around just doing lots of
individual, proper little fiend armies for setting.
So as a case of like, if I do, oh look, it's going to be our
door again. But if we painted like Samhain,
so, be lot of potentially variables, and painted red, jack
points, and stuff like that, or it could be about tan.
So I paint them green and I will of aspect Warriors.
So even though it's still only an hour Army, Construct of the
army itself will be more theme towards that craft will wearing
technically Second Edition. That's all the information
wasn't available to us at the time so it would be nice to use
what we know now to go back and create second edition armies a
lot more theme. I think we will get those tips.
Let me go. Yeah, honestly, no struggle.
Yeah, go somewhere. It was so good.
Oh my God. Once you then I've got home.
We know. Need stripping.
Ion. I think I've got another four
corner fixes that. Oh, really.
So we were thinking Oscar, a 0 plus a hive time.
I worked out. It might have to be about 2100
but just have a load of carnufex is Hive Tyrant and to keep
within the rules themselves and have to have some more years
just to do the 24% brutes. And then Jason just take me over
loads of vehicles and every reference to just wipe out this
massive Army of God, fix it, but I wouldn't be in a muppet on a
fixed Entry of optic membrane so they become like 200 points
face. But yeah, for roommates 6 lb 515
Corner fixes if you are turning towards running around them
funny as hell. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah.
Thank you Josh. So you can give you the if I'm
feeling the inspiration than that but you won't be after the
Viking. I think he told me at the
numbers, right? Yeah.
So you got some work to do there.
This is going on the niche, Facebook group called Dale
Perry. And if I miss it, every turn
around and said, don't you think you got enough models?
I'm just going to show her the pictures of his collection of
nixed. It is mental.
I mean, he's, it's just frightening here, you've got
them all out one day and put them on an eight by four ball or
something, and he had no space left, and they were all based
the base and the mouth Corner fix of the Monstrous Creatures.
Got, it's just like, that's ridiculous.
That's where the garage is. Is a massive.
It is proper life goals. Huge, huge amount of model one.
Nick. When you get the pants you will
like what would you do? You still look?
Yeah. So I mean I've always felt I had
we used to play with it but I used to pay effort especially in
Africa. No we did it.
And we finally found a way of break beat them and he stopped
playing it as in traffic. But why did is my second mid
Army? I based on Spoon course parts
from epic. So I'd have 150 term, abort 25,
former gorgeous, 25 goggles I-25, metal dog, dogs.
And of course, one of the cards but streak on a fix.
So I thought I got a free kind of fixes, so sorry, Connor fixes
way, but then Uncle Maurice fancy 10 and I've got to 10.
But some of them with a plastic ones are later additions, but I
just something about the screaming killer model that it's
just like see again. I think it's old age.
It's Nostalgia is just an amazingly, great model.
I love that model. We're going to put together but
awesome model. I think it's one of my favorite
incarnations of crying affect. Yeah.
That's creamer killer? Yep.
I love it. It can give you.
You talking about like recreating like epic sort of
like the Army Cards into 40K and reminds me.
The early games day photographs will they had people playing
like the 40/40 case n additions, scaled are 20 ml Scale Models
but playing Epic Space Marine, so they have like like five
Marines, I'm like a square base kind of thing.
They're like giant golden sand. They like I think the armor
casts, maybe armored cars did the vehicles, like all their
light in the garden. The Reba tighten, all that kind
of stuff, and they had like a massive on the floor.
They played on the Basically, one of the game's days those
which are really fun. You must not do expensive,
Victorian to because I had a weapon skills.
Door closes so Factor plus sign, you know, weapons pretty good as
well and they had wings like fly really far.
Yeah, the X actually writing out there and that was a good
addition because we're riding horses.
Well, always felt like always translate building, one of them
speed up, 19, vipers the 30 cap white singing about nine times
in a box in the garage somewhere.
Oh, it's not in the morning. You go to see.
What me? Oh, we should say.
This is a video, but I said I had a warlock, tightening easier
way. Be two fingers up being and the
right way not to be bright, but he's got to Wally.
I only had some epic spot models on the sprues.
Yeah, And I like the fact that what I thought was really cool
is you some of your rock formations from your 40K games
and they're like, it Rock spires but suddenly when you put those
that same train on your epic board is still, you massive
rock. Formations that really good.
Oh my God, but don't return. Are you kidding?
You can at least Go to do it. But those, it's one of the
greatest games, I'm sure Jason's garage.
You'll find a whole host of different armies in there.
Maybe just scrounge around through there.
All unpainted of course, but you can drag those out, contrast
them up and you have them on the table.
You know no childhood garage or just leave bread crumbs talking
for me way back out or you'll never make it out of there.
Maybe you'll never make another you do.
When you got an internal, Go to Heaven until you paint all your
models. I ain't going to be done in the
next video.
The kitchen. See how much Motors work on?
The Triumph logo? Doesn't know anything about it.
It's amazing. How many models in that gouge
are potentially mine. Please turn around as mrs.
I'll keep an area for ritual with mrs.
Don't find out where everything is every now and then and you
tell me about this umbrageous, I just haven't opened it up yet
and so there's a great It's funny that my place of work, or
like we should get a lot of boxes.
When you take it along, Daft, I'll take them on one box at a
time. Strong controlling, women us
away. Well, yeah, but we play with the
cards. They, when they put out the
boring version it was the with a dice.
I think they do. You do like ordered Dyson a
change. The world are the third dish.
That was terrible. Yeah.
When you're two component of, that was Basically the same as
battlefleet Gothic, we had to find your Firepower and then
that tells you how many great you got this for ya?
Second edition. Epic will Space Marine of yes,
of course. Yeah, that was that was good.
I mean I still got the order and chaos go Rex.
I think I've got the hive mind on that was great.
Come on, man, that's worth a fortune that.
Yeah, I really, really. Yeah.
Have you got No, I don't because it's so rare to get to get a
complete set. Now it's very rare because it
was the last thing they released.
I think before they closed up. What the hive mind Hive was,
I've mindset. If you could have come, if you
have a complete set of High Point, it's very rare to hold
onto that with dear life because and restore it and whatever
looks almost employment you didn't lose them.
What you do is you melted them down jizz because I got this Box
and the chaos not getting on the really big ones.
Chaos one. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. So the blood thirst is in Space
Marine. Yeah, we're great the blood
versus the profile in second edition are great but the models
never really done Justice compared to the bloodthirster
models we got now is like those Match the profile of second
edition but they don't really matter because if brothers are
still vast two minutes in a night vision game mate, I really
did Mortals really reflecting the profile of second edition
out because they were arms sales.
Yeah, weapon skills and like 10 or whatever.
Is the board I think with the bloodthirster Xander's editions.
Yeah, the heroic missions here profit is just don't last very
long. You see him and you're thinking,
wow, I would see a bloodthirsty. The rocks at me and be like, how
am I going to take out? But you see these people playing
ninth Edition, though. They are, are just shoot off
board with this and the thing just disappears.
Unify, that's not right. Big scary monster like that.
Should take a phenomenal amount of Firepower, which take now or
you don't want to get into combat because I mean, you
looked at me like you say, you don't Paint Nite.
We look at some of the battle reports that you watch on other
channels and things like corn. If it's just scary and second,
no one ball is taking them. All right.
Take that. And everybody takes now because
of the way, the gamers I mean you could say it's evolved in
the high winds of over and over but no one takes combat need
armies. It's all Cronus.
And it's all Hive Garden towards our throats and it's all
shooting and I'm thinking what happened?
You went, where you had an army for a needs to win again.
Yeah, that's what should be scared to be in, come up with an
ID or me, but no one is a new one, no one shortage of them,
they all shoot York's, not combat words.
Yeah, but you could take shoot, you want?
Because your average dose rule were better than someone to
build skill of three. Yes, even forged ahead and he
was out. Now is if you can force their,
it was it was ridiculous. Honestly me he took all grimy as
a shooting Army and took an Imperial Guard.
Army catch am as a closer so Army used to run it with us.
No usable 10 Mana chrome mirror yeah with a demolition.
Charlie's, comforted here, catch.
I'm broke. You just had it the wrong way
around, man. But you somehow you want.
You have to think I'm cool. Yeah, yeah.
Well, yeah. I'm fine.
No7 vitamin C night. Yeah, but now you got the old
Conan tonight. Yeah.
But that's something that's the
problem. This is really weird.
We talk again. We talked about nine is we're
very lucky that we've been gaming for so long and we
managed to keep a lot of our second edition models.
But there's some armies it you just cannot buy because they're
either too expensive or you can't see them on the Internet
on eBay or anything like that. And it's like demon armies in
the back of the Codex cows but there's a demon Army.
Me. Yeah.
You try and buy a second edition demon Army.
You'd have to remortgage your house.
Yeah so we will feel the demon Army.
I want to feel deep moment but it's going to have to be with
current models. And and that's a fine line.
I think a lot of people like to be produced a logic, go down,
the proper room, proper terrain, proper morals, if you can,
that's fine. But it's like, which is better.
All right playing The Real Models though, the proper model
of the rules. I'd still rather see someone pay
second edition with their current models the excuse or
something. They actually think the code is
running the code. We saw me in there.
Yeah. Well, can we talk then don't
tanks up and use all the last edition of chaos call yourself.
I've got stupid a metal because you could get, I could do my, I
didn't Craftwell Army, but use the modern Rafe guard units and
arm and property to do got raised cannons.
Then on Rafe Lord, our a Dreadnought you wouldn't bother
giving them the sword and you just give them the one heavy
weapon on her shoulder. So you could still arm your
current models or the current range if its second edition.
But I don't think people should do that if they want to play
second edition. Just pay me what you got.
Tweak, the rules a little bit. If you can't have this proper
second edition models and just pay with what you got.
Yeah. He's doing an all call me.
We were telling God. That was calling Spencer.
Was that was horrendous. Yeah.
When you look at 5:10 could have broke my hand at all because I
got lucky male voice. Stop gaming.
So he was quite happy to sell some of his thoughts at sort of
mates rates and that's why we ended up with an orc Army.
Yeah. And it was a going Canada, he's
flying over to the UK and he posted on the second edition
Facebook group and he's on managed to acquire some of those
models as well. So I should get the next week.
He said he fly over them, push from the UK, save on postage.
Right? So that's great.
So, we've managed to acquire. Our mobile voice original Road
Trader, jump, Piper's oil, the sculpture the twin are.
You got yourself? You got tortured in?
You okay, the scorcher? Yeah, so the autonomy will will
get flashed out. But the biggest problem we've
got now is painting is finding time to paint.
We've got loads of models. No time to pay and I am the
fastest painter in the world either.
Don't even go standards. But see on the tip of your
tongue, but Jace is a faster paint in the me.
You don't really good scorches, you got.
Sorry. How many scourges you got now?
Who's our God has other for its I win.
The fried to a crisp so it was lovely on their day.
They can be absolutely deadly. So you got two of those you can
you run them on the flanks and, you know, they'll be causing all
kinds of Havoc. So yeah.
Definitely, you'll be, we got, I think we're missing the front
wheel of a war truck are really the last coming, on the back of
it. Oh yeah.
Sure. Okay.
Yes. But Jay sprayed.
Gordon Walker. Yeah.
And then we found out. Like all come out roughly near
the end of 2nd edition so the trucks he's got ya off a viable.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah so the origami we just
going to go very mobile. I've got some commanders, I mean
at the game we did with the Orcs at the end of October we are
Commandos but that was only the You know, half of them but the
rest of each strip of repainted. So we can have a massive all-boy
charge or voice charge. Got some jump Packers.
Now, Commander, so half the Orcs will be across the board before,
you know, it, you've got loads of spices, all the Gorka pipes,
where the plastic ones, what we're second edition.
But with the all kinds of the back, what kind on the side on
the side? Yeah, it's like an addition.
Yeah, they second edition. Oh, wow.
Oh my God, that's amazing. And also all those vehicles are
actually available in plastic in second edition late, 2nd edition
or mid second edition. They had had their, you know,
the the What's called the attack by call The Knobs bike, or what
it was called in plastic there. But the scorcher in plastic and
the wall bug in plastic. So, if the metal ones, just
under table and a table price-wise, whatever you can
probably find them in plastic somewhere for relatively good
prices, I guess. Yeah.
Yeah, I'll be interested that so not nice.
They made little that's tied to paint up like with the old, the
old metal ones. I mean, of course, they're
classic. They're Rogue Trader.
But you know, they've, you know, during the course of time and
during the molding processes and during those days, they didn't
come up all that nice and crisp and you know, easy to paint.
So that the plastic ones do have that benefit that it really
nicely moulded and you know, they're really smooth and all
the details are very clear. In the lab.
We try trying to be especially with S as authentic as we can.
Yeah, I notice it and I like that, I like that.
I respect that. I've got a load of Rogue Trader.
What I mean I've got I'd love absolutely, love the original
out or Dreadnought the Rogue Trader ones for the to our
painter, for my Ivan, Cranford or proper second edition.
But there's something about when that white wolf came out, He's
worked with 100, and they had the three dreadnoughts, the
Banshee, the war, trying the wall demon.
Yeah, they were just amazing. And I've got five of them, and
three of them are still in a plastic bag, which needs to be
painted, but I thought, you know, I've got to find a reason
to paint them because you're trying to be authentic and the
road trainers, I mean, the Rogue Trader Eldar on.
Think of the ujin find an excuse to paint and we just filled in
them as a 10-man unit of pirates because they look different to
the crossroad outer sort of thing.
So because they're different, I can, are I cannot get away with
field a pirate unit, no such finding that the depth of their
work before we get there fella, second edition are not reduce or
even six. That's used for shorter ones.
Yeah, the last the report we've done tonight case it is.
There will Forge Road. Yeah, over Yeah.
But that does this thing. They how many it was 35 models
on the yeah 1500 points. 35 models is crazy when you think
about it. I'm still Artful game as well.
Yeah, how scary it will for the scene that so when, when will be
latest battle pulled me up, do you think In about, I'll go home
and go to sleep. It's all right.
No work today, which will be probably early morning for you.
That's cool things. Great.
So you'll probably see it well for you.
Maybe Monday morning. Yep, perfect.
Sounds possibly, we'll look forward to that.
Yeah, it is all about. I'll go.
Oh, yes. I know all I tend to do is just
link all the videos together on the phone, let upload and upload
it to YouTube. So, we don't really do a lot.
Yeah, don't we did get a little bit crazy and treat yourself to
some lights, which is a bit better.
So the lighting is better. But yeah, that's that's about it
is all done on my mobile and this is why we're moving to the
camera. It's all mirrored.
Yeah, that's all the right. You know, t-shirts whatever's
it's mirror because of Just got on a selfie.
Selfie mode. Yeah, you know technology Josh.
Hey guys, we have to wrap it up today.
I'm really sorry but that means like almost like to 1 a.m. in
the morning there for you guys. And my wife has to go to work.
So I'm going to have to unfortunately, cut our interview
a little bit short, but I think that we did it for about an
hour, so that's really good. Good, great for you guys to have
that time to share with us today.
So I really appreciate that. Guys are know.
It's really early in the morning and you guys want to get get get
home and get to sleep. Start editing a wild animal.
We don't we go over there were just buzzing.
Yeah, that's good guy says excellent.
So I really, really appreciate your time today for both of you.
That's a brilliant. Thanks for the chat, go.
Anytime anytime you want to come on?
We'll have to have you. So I appreciate that.
Might enjoy yourself. Yeah, you took you guys too?
Yeah and we'll look at our messenger or whatever.
But yeah, you keep in touch with short.
So, Jason, Richard, thank you very much, again.
He got your name, right? I'm Jasmine.
I am jazz.