Anybody there? I am.
Can you hear me? Yeah.
Perfectly Jesse. Can you hear me okay.
Yeah, good good man, awesome. All right.
We'll do we just try to record something on Discord and just
was a fail technology again Jesse you know me and
Technology, it just doesn't blend that.
Yeah, well, we got it sorted. If there's a big pause between
you speaking me saying something.
I'm just trying to avoid that voice overlap.
Yeah, I don't worry about that. Just don't just speak normally
because we Set the role that I think it'd be okay, don't worry,
but nothing but this has missed out on a great conversation with
that you and Gary morally. How did it start?
I wasn't talkin about how much I admire him as a sculptor and his
own output. Yeah, I was ranting and raving
about the ALF blood Bowl teams that he did, which I'm not such
a fan of but then when I realized that, he also did the
Orcs the undead chaos and the dwarfs, I realized I owed the
gentlemen, an apology It's very good of you mate but I'm sure
he'll take all that apology without any questions and asked
or answered, but he did a lot of good elves I think later on.
I think I think the blood bulb stuff is like the Ferrari, first
things he did. So you really think though what
else are me? Yeah, that would have found me.
He did and he did a lot of. I think you did a lot of high
off stuff for 5th edition, too. Right.
Okay. But yeah, he's what elves are
like a night and day compared to the stuff he did for blood Bowl,
I think. Yeah, I'm not sure but yeah, I'm
always I'm Jes Gordon fans. I really love the Jess glue and,
you know, like the second edition models, headed the teams
headed for blood bowl for those and the wood elves and dark
elves. Well, I'll just what else I
suppose from Jes Gordon. But yeah, I have to agree with
you. There, I am a couple of weeks
guy just had a team of the Jess Goodwin elves arrive, so that
was pretty amazing. I'd always wanted a team and I
finally do a full team. Come up at reasonable prices, so
I grabbed it. Hey, just making me jealous now,
mate. Yeah, well, it's quite flexible.
Oh, I tucked in there with to duplicate demon.
It's that I didn't send you. So I'll use them as which elves
and basically it means it's like a kit which allows you to pay
play any of the elf races and blood Bowl.
Okay, cool. Alright that's good.
I'll just paint it. Send us the colors.
Yep. And the far distant future.
I'm going to paint my like not so nice, Third Edition
Miniatures until I get a bit better before I go near these
stunning Beauties or talk about Third Edition Miniatures.
I'm actually painting or minotaurs right now and
hopefully, by the end of our chat.
I think I should have probably finish them.
Well, there's pretty cool as those the ones I sent over.
Yeah. Amanda.
I'm almost done. I it's quite amazing yet with.
I could do this to do. We just got the these men, I
think it's about 18 or 19 baseman and then three Thugs.
And then the keeper of Secrets, when you finally get to send it
over. Yeah.
I think you'll just become a mobile with your implant stuff,
realistically. Okay, that's fine.
He will corrupt your loyal Empire Miniatures.
And by the time that by the time they reached my Cause they'll
all converted to slash then, yeah.
But who knows? What?
They'll be up to on that long journey.
Lots of orgies in that box that no cephas.
I wonder if you'll get through customs.
Yeah, probably be corrupted to in a infested quite something,
but, like, people know you, and they know your voice and your
part of the call of the command painting Challenge, and you can
hear the chime this. That's a screaming Bell in the
background. As you can hear.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. A living here.
Cathedral, he knows he knows you're on the podcast.
So the Gracie, I rang the bell chime of, of the Great Horn rat
that sound, people know who you are.
They know you're part of the and organizing the call of the crown
and thank you for your for your time doing that, because it's a
massive project. It turned out to be a lot bigger
than what we had expected. Wasn't it?
Like, you know, no, we can expect nowhere near the amount
of people to join. Yeah, I was anticipating maybe 8
to 10 people, I thought was realistic.
What maybe in my wildest dreams 20 would be pretty amazing but
it turned out to be a lot larger.
I'm just sneaking into the document and it looks like we've
got 60, 60, active participants, Yeah, it's pretty huge.
Yeah, yeah, I was just looking at that September total, eleven
thousand points painted. I think that would be more than
most people's kind of lifetime of painting a Yas.
Yas like it's an astonishing amount of stuff that people are
doing now. Yeah, especially when you
consider some people are scratch building, their army is some
people are, you know, converting models.
Some people are just, you know, painting entire regiments of
night goblins to lizard men. Cheeky buggers.
Let me I just doing a few character models here and there
and just you know racking up the points that way but you could
yeah, good cross range of all different kinds of hobbyists
doing various projects and it's actually it's quite cool to see
the variation and stuff. We've got like different models
from, like, Third Edition up to 88 tradition or whatever.
Yeah, I think that's awesome. One period Plastics today, which
looks really cool. I'm just, I am waiting to hear
Baxter, poldark was, I might, I might sneak a few of them into
my line, me if that's the case. Okay, nice.
Awesome. Yeah.
Hey, well, we are on the subject of the called the crown.
I'm kind of intrigued to hear from people what their thoughts
are when the challenge ends. I guess a lot of the painting
challenges tend to become a little bit shorter than our full
year monster and it means that like if we were going to run it
repeatedly we have to think about are people able to sort of
maintain the tempo and jump into another full year thing at the
end or do you have it six months?
Six months down time for people to reformer before you start the
next one. If anyone thought so be quite
Keen to me, Keen to hear. That's a good point.
And, you know, even though it's two months into it now, but we
need to start thinking about obviously for the future and
what people think, and what they want to do, I reckon for like,
for my two cents, I think we should have it at least a, I
don't know, it's three months break, just so people can
acquire new models if they need to, and just have a break for
three months. I think that'll be nice or just
two months or whatever, but it really depends on the, on the,
on the people who are Participating and what they say,
in some kind of like survey. At the end, we can do like a
mini survey. The majority will rule in the
end and then maybe they want that one at.
They don't want to do fantasy. Maybe they want to do 40K.
I do some people want to do 40K as well.
They've asked about it, so, that's an option as well.
Yes, to my proposal or my thoughts at the moment, which is
subtly just reflect on my own kind of painting.
Missions would be there. We have a six month break, I
think I was putting together. An army can be pretty hard for
fantasy and use that six months to maybe do a smaller challenge
like a kind of a rogue Trader thick.
In addition, I hope that we think those armies tend to have
significantly fewer models and might give people either a time
to head. Take a break and just refresh or
kind of getting something else sorted.
Okay, well it sounds good. I'm in for that so that's no
problem. We maybe we should this ask
people maybe like a couple months ahead before we finish
and say, you know, do you guys? We would anybody in should be
interested in this and even if you get a handful of people
doesn't really matter. We can just have just like a
mini painting challenge. Like you say, we could have one
just based on 40K and it could be anything from neck or Lunde
battlefleet Gothic. Eric, did I say, if you 40K, if
you call you 140k, Rogue Trader, whatever, you know, you can just
do everything in the 40K universe or something like that.
It's really cool to the chain Ford.
Yeah, yeah. So just see what what people
have to say about that and maybe it will not get a lot of
positive, you know, feedback on that one.
So we'll see. We'll keep but anyhow.
Yeah. People probably know who you are
obviously and therefore heard you on the podcast before but we
don't know how you got into the hobby mate.
So can you give us a bit of a rundown on all that history?
Yeah, I can but it's going to take a little bit of a life
story if you don't mind. Do ya might go for it?
Yes, we're doing. Okay.
I grew up in a pretty Tiny Town up in the mountains and New
Zealand. So, the first time town, I lived
in had a grand total of about six or seven people, three of
three of which were my family's. What they meant was there was
no, not a lot of other children to hang out with them do stuff
with. So I read a lot of books and I
guess some, my stepdad, read me the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings
really early? And I don't know where I got the
idea from but I actually wrote a set of wargaming rules for my
Lego when I was quite Young. Maybe seven or eight so that
kind of got me interested in the idea of like I'm wargaming.
And then later on, I was quite Keen to realize that wargaming
was actually a formed and kind of just went from there, really?
Cool. Nice so quiet.
Yeah. Well I think the fighting
fantasy series novels, I really like they were a big long and
then when I got to high school I was just sitting in a simply one
day and completely randomly the guy sitting in front of me
turned around and asked me if I wanted to buy a board game.
Another arm? Yeah, I'm going to wait what is
it? And that was space crew said.
So I have to go that every church around his place, check
that space Crusade and bought it and we play quite a bit of that
and that got me interested in Sea condition for UK, that was
kind of the next done for that. My first real introduction to
games works not, I had actually randomly purchased a white dwarf
once before, which was, I think 137.
I bought it because I like the pencil sketches of the Elder.
It was that was the issue that Aldo were released.
But um, I started playing second edition, got the box set and
then in Christchurch, which is a slightly bigger town that I
moved to by that stage for high school.
There was a, um, a gaming shop and in that game and shot.
They had the second edition 40K like 2000 Point, Army boxes.
So, it was a bit of a hassle, but I went and said, look, I
really like this space. And I'm a box but I don't have
any. I don't have any money for you,
but you got a lot of game sitting on your shelves, which
no one really knows how to play. So, see, it won't you.
Let me borrow it. I'll play the game, learn how to
play it and then I can come in on a Saturday and seeks your
customers, how to play it. And I am the game shops in
wrist. So just learning to play
different kind of stand-alone box games or games that I'm JW,
put out. And then running gamer gaming
shop. And then after I died, after
after a while, I'd ended up paying off the Spaceman Army
that I wanted. Let's see what look I've paid
that off instead of them. Instead of just paying me and
credit, why don't you give me the job.
So I worked I work the shot for quite a while and ended up
spending most of my cash on 40K Miniatures.
Yeah and yeah. So that got me through it about
University. And by that by the time by the
time I got to the through high school, I played a hell of a lot
of Second edition 40K and ended up playing a little bit of one,
must be a fourth edition Warhammer.
So that was yeah that don't want reduction to the Hobby and then
like all of us, I am more like a lot of us.
I guess I stopped back your uni and finished uni, moved overseas
and then I got to New Zealand in 2006 I am got back in touch with
some of my friends and one of them was a dude, I played a lot
of on S it for today with and he said, I could play this game.
Nice, hunk. And I hadn't and it's gave me a
couple of games in space Stop here to see it kind of got
really hooked on that and that kind of got me back into the
wargaming thing. So we started playing a lot of
Second Edition. All UK again, we played that
right most weeks right through until about and then 2015 2016.
And then what we will find that it's kind of building up armies
and doing various things, but I don't know how it happened.
I started just Collecting fantasy armies.
Just a really kind of randomly bought some minutes ago.
I really like the um the sculpt I had a copy of the old
Warhammer fantasy roleplay that had like a Scott two pages of
painted minutes within them really like those put those
Miniatures when I was younger. So, grab the couple of those and
those initial manage your purchases turned into what we're
going to want fantasy armies. And then yeah, then I decided
that having a whole bunch of unpainted lead sitting around in
my garage wasn't the best done. The best thing to invested all
my resources. And so I made contact with you,
got the chaos painting started saw.
The, you're entering that I'm painting Challenge and did the
same, and yeah, now that that brings us up to date.
Well, You've got a quite impressive.
Cows, Army will cows armies. I should say you've got quite a
few going to give us a bit of a rundown.
What you got in your collection and yeah.
Yeah. Like Lana.
Since I've started painting, I am I've been collecting images
of just examples of painting and color schemes.
I like to kind of and just to study stuff.
I've been organizing them into folders and realized I've got
about 16 projects on the go. so that that would have shocked but
on the chaos front, there is a I've got a new girl Army The
corn are me and I am what you kind of feel like the realm of
real Sara. They're all of the older figures
and then I've got a Zine Charmy sitting around, which is a
little bit of a mix I guess. It's got, I've got some of the
kind of fourth edition models, sneaking in Dragon organism, and
that sort of thing. And then I've got, yeah, I put
together a, um, a smaller Mughal Army, which I was, which I'm
trying to paint as part of the painting challenge.
I'm just just for a friend. Yep.
Yeah. So you're big into 3rd Edition.
I mean, when we, when we first met, you sort of we're playing
Third Edition with friends locally.
How did that sort of started? Um, I guess that when I started,
Tracking down a fantasy managers.
I was really just kind of Haunting the minute, she's out
and I'd gotten a copy of the Third Edition roadblock.
Purely for the artwork, A came up on a local auction sites.
So I grabbed it the art was amazing and it came with the the
Army book. I kind of liked this got
pictures of all the minutes isn't it for each like unit
listing and Initially. I was kind of like the way that
the it has like compulsory core units to feel to feel the any
army, that's quite a few units that you have to have with
specific numbers. So I kind of that was kind of a
little bit of a guide when I was just Gathering forces and we
can't decide what I wanted to track down.
And then when I read through the rulebook, I kind of like the
fact that it's, um, There's almost like it element
historical wargaming in there. I was I was playing games.
Basically solo game Zoo. Just grinding out games first
myself and my spare time and There's a kind of there's a
really really different Tempo between Third Edition and fourth
edition, fourth edition. Combats, you know tends to end
quickly. Someone get smashed, you have a
nasty combat radius and then they flee 32 like it's a little
bit more. There's a lot more poaching and
govern Eunice will get pushed back.
They have to take a significant percentage of casualties before
they start rolling route tests. And a lot of really interesting
for my things and things to muck around with so that that part of
it appealed to me. Cool.
Okay. Y'all notice that the omnibox do
have like a limitation certain trip type?
So, for example, you know, it wasn't as good as looking at
doing a talk and Goblin Army and Third Edition because some guys
here in Japan, we're going to play it.
And if you look at some of the categories, like I think some
thoughts, or arches, or whatever, you need to have a
minimum of twenty of those like, you know, you just can't or 60
or something, whatever it might have been, you know, you just
can't build another without having at least 60 or 40 or
whatever. Might be of a certain true type
which is quite interesting. It's not, it's very different
from the other versions. Yeah.
They don't the Orkin Goblin Army lists, you've got 80 compulsory
troops, the it's like 20 Goblin. Come Goblin arches, 20 or cup
hits and 20 awk boys, like, and then, in terms of kind of
gathering the Miniatures to get started with can be a bit of a
hassle. Yeah, but and I kind of enjoyed
tracking them down and finally getting the right number of
goblin arches and stuff. That Pokemon style gotta catch
em all. Yeah.
That's why. Yes, look at that point.
If you guys were getting you to buy minimum something.
It's incredible. Yeah.
And that's what is the flip side with that length, is, if you're
really done with by many models, you can just play chaos and
play. 76 have see any point Infantry.
Yeah, you can have almost ridiculously, tiny, armies and
Third Edition. It's quite it's quite wild and
people talk about later editions as being hero Hammer.
But um, Third Edition, the characters can just become
absolutely horrendous. The potential for abuse is quite
Wild. Yes, I thought I gathered that
from my very, very limited experience with Third Edition.
Yeah. Like certain things, just were
just nuts like magic, and that kind of stuff.
The things you could summon, and all that kind of stuff.
It was quite weird. Yes, it's a massive departure.
Between the two with with magic points you can you can kind of
wizards can actually neutralize each other by kind of cancelling
out. This spells bike spending the
same amount of magic points and stuff.
You can kind of Magic itself can be counted to a reasonable
extent, but the problem with characters and I have, I think
you have to house, roll it as get armed units.
Don't want your rank - fighting against individual character.
yeah, if you had some sort of just absolute based character
and can really give units night me as a And there's a couple of
hilarious things. Like you can watch, you can move
a chariot in the movement phase jump out of it and run across
the ground, engage in combat, and then run back to your carrot
Chariot and drive away. You're saying that before to me.
Yeah, for yeah, it sounds. So drive-by, Terrier Carnage is
a bit bizarre, but I mean that's only a few little glitches in
the system. I mean, some people swear by it
by the old Hammer communities and what kind of thing they're
swear by the game. I've never really played it
apart from just a, you know, growing a few models that I had
with some friends on the, on the carpet, in my living room and
yeah watching one of my lawyer, Jang friends, something demons
and then they could be killed because no one else had a magic
item 22 wound. It was really quite quite weird,
but yeah, that was the only sort of experience I've ever had with
it. I think Fourth edition came out
straight after that so but I can see that there's a while
difference between the two, even though they're both essentially
wore fancy war games and you have regiments and carrots and
magic and like kind of stuff. But there's yeah, I think they
kind of now you're playing fourth edition with Jeff.
You'll probably notice a big difference between different.
There are the differently different beasts.
I mean I think like all GW products.
You kind of just degree of You just have to find people who
want to play the game in a similar way and who kind of want
to and work out some sort of power level that you're happy to
play? It that works for both people.
My my solution for Third Edition was to just make a whole bunch
of armies and they're all kind of designed to be pretty similar
in terms of their horrendous murder.
And I think with them with fourth edition, it's a matter of
choosing who you play. I don't have a lot of choice in
the sense that Jeff is the only local player but fortunately
he's a really, he's really chill dude, in terms of the armies
that he creates Definitely pretty fluff focused and and
non-power gamer. So that's quite nice.
Yeah, that's good. That's really essential, isn't
it? You know, you don't, you don't
need power gaming, Angel game so to speak nowadays.
So yeah, it'd be flexible with what, what you've got given
there and you know, you can house rule things you say and
just make things just more enjoyable for it.
Both both participants. So that's most important.
Yeah. So sadly Jeff couldn't join us.
Today, we're trying to get Jeff and Jesse on at the same time.
So hopefully we'll get Jack on at some point so he can give his
Perspective on on the game as well but you guys you guys are
playing fourth edition now how yeah they do we played a series
of fourth edition games. So we played our system as being
to play four games with each Army.
So we are, we started a thousand points and then just add 250
Points, each game and do that over the course of a month.
So, we did. We had a serious cave and games.
It's cave-ins verse 2. Orcs.
So, scavenge first, orbs, and doomed.
Before that we've made a series of dwarves verse unweighted and
it was pretty good but it's been it's been a learning curve after
so long just trying to get everything right.
Active has been just laughing himself stupid at my extreme
gyro copter paranoia. Yeah.
I didn't realize it but I've got
this incredible aversion to Gaara copters.
So as soon as they appear I start panicking and just focus,
all my attention on them. So when when we were playing
skaven versus dwarves form game, my head, that's ludicrous, like
600 Point antiaircraft Battalion to see it up on it.
He'll keeping his dingleberry copter under control.
See, I've got to work through that process but now it's really
good. Yeah.
What? What's been most interesting
part and did we really talk? I enjoyed it a lot Dean.
Yeah, just it's different to play kind of kind of a different
pace and they made skaven really interesting because walking work
changing from an army that staggers for deformed is a turn
to an army, which screams across the table at 10 inches.
A term was quite quite exciting. Yeah, have you disability?
You gotta run and then actual range.
Combat ranged units was awesome. I definitely a big part of the
appeal. For fourth edition was, was
playing skaven back in the days. I really wanted to play them,
but just no one could afford put armies together.
Got quite a oh, yeah, quite a reasonable little skaven Force
floating around. That was I was always impressed
by our, I guess, like everyone and in Chambers gave him the
force, that's just such a beauty.
So there was a, um, there was an auction on trade me, the local
auction site and it was just a big black blurry photo with a
with a 300 Dollar by now. And I looked at it and I like, I
don't know, it's just one image and I am I put into Photoshop to
try and like, sharpen it up. I thought, I think it's gave
him. I suspect it's gave him.
I don't know what I was thinking.
I bought, I drop the cash on it and it turned out to be a full
2000 Point. Third Edition middle skaven
Army, so I was always a happy day, so it's been really not
getting that through the table. I just got to learn how to paint
third now, and I can think about painting it.
Actually, yes, cable would be too bad to make because you can
do a lot of like base color ink, wash Tight and Dry brushing.
You know what I mean? Like you don't have to
necessarily worry about too much about being overly clean or
neat. Like, you know, you can you can
get away with a lot of stuff you can use a lot of colors like
whole red, like you know, reddish Browns as like washers
and act over the fur and over the metals and and because a lot
of them, they're normally brown or blue.
Blue depends on what color, what kind of colors you want to paint
them. But if you only got like Third
Edition, it's like really Reds. There's a lot of Reds on them.
Dark Reds, and Browns, and that kind of stuff on them.
So maybe yellow, but yeah, but mostly Reds.
But yeah, using that sort of a whole red, kind of as a wash.
It really works. You know, you have to, you have
to link me to some sort of guy will give me some examples
because all of my teams to paint for of ended really badly.
We'll do what we'll definitely do one for you make.
Because yeah, it's once. Once you get The Knack of it,
I'm fine. Yeah, that'll be.
That'll be cool. Cool of the crown 2022 or
something. Yep.
Yeah that sounds good. So yeah, you've got now you're
saying before you played one of my fantasies.
So one of the 40 K 7 Edition quite extensively before in the
past. Well strangely enough about Two
years ago, sold all of my second edition 40K almonds.
So I had a whole bunch of armies which are quite beautifully
being painted up by a friend but I can't even.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why I sold them.
I sold them to go play. Second edition 40K with soda,
still there, for one way them, but I think I was just running
out of sports but and I thought I've got to have some sort of
Kind of limit to the size of my lead pile.
So close out the door and decided to focus more on one on
fantasy battle. So, I've got a couple of armies
which I can use for second position but they're all on a
rogue Trader era models. Yeah, yeah, I thought I've got
it all coming Imperial Guard, Marines, chaos, Renegades, and
Alder. So I'm kind of I had a we just I
just played a game of second edition with GF, last time we
got together. Yeah, cool socks and all he
played Captain D's guard. I didn't I didn't I didn't
realize how risk-averse I was and my kind of General approach
to gaming. So I think my talks were a
little bit different to most aux in a lot of time kind of hiding
and taking pot shots and running into cover.
So yeah, there were very evasive, or look for second
edition thing. I didn't I didn't use any, but
from my experience, second edition, 40 case, just all about
controlling line of sight. If you've got blind grenades,
you good to go. And if not you're going to
struggle. Okay.
Yeah. My memories of 4040 case an
addition freely hazy but I remember yeah I think it's
really robust kind of skirmish. Roasted a people talk about
characters being overpowered but you just sit five more flamers.
Make won't do anything. So I've never, I've never found
characters to be a problem either.
They just get lost in crowds of Gretchen, I think, I'll And I've
never I've never understood the criticism to lend a hand to hand
combat. Lots of people say like take
long time to resolve. But after you played a few
games, that go pretty quickly, what I've spent.
That being one of the best point, best things about
segmentation 40 cables. Yeah, that's really exciting.
I liked it. Yeah I really like that.
I think it's one of the best things ever.
Yeah. It's quite would you say it's
quite complex? Is it more complex than the
hand-to-hand combat phase? Or just just signature I think
so you can see in addition actually works as a game.
I think Rogue Trader. You really need the um like a GM
to run it. It's quite a different
experience. I mean rogue rogue Trader
evolved so much over the course of its life span.
It started out with randomly generated, he lists.
And then just before the second edition was published, there was
a rule supplement published for rogue Trader, which effectively
turns it into 2nd edition. So it's, which is quite
interesting. You look through it.
You later. Oh, okay.
It's almost got like the same diagrams.
It's like the the Beta release for seek indeed.
So yeah, I rotate out of the aesthetic and I think if you had
like a GM, hold really interesting kind of creating
games and scenarios and running them, what would be really good?
But I think as a as a game that you play, it's problematic.
Okay, interesting, we'll have to have to you next time we ever
meet or when we when we do meet, will have to gain the second
dish in 40K. Do?
Yeah. Yeah.
You're going to need to look in the whole day.
We've got a lot of games, we need to play.
Welcome to go trekking or mountain climbing or doing all
this stuff. If we go hang out near Jesse's
we have and she goes I want to go there because that's one of
the main main reasons why I'd be going there.
Like yeah, these aren't such a beautiful country.
And yeah, of course I want to see The sites and go sightseeing
like kind of stuff. But, you know, I don't do that
the whole time, you know what? I go hang out with my mates and
have some games and stuff, she goes.
Okay, well, you can do that and I'll go and do something else.
I said, okay, that sounds good. So do we need to book?
We need to book my wife into some kind of you know wild
adventure in New Zealand while we can place.
Again that sounds very promising.
If you can swing that one, I'm cane.
Except on the subject of old games.
How's um, how's your experience in man?
Will go Cool. I had one game, I should have a
game tomorrow I think with Ben and Australia remotely but yeah,
really enjoyed it so far. We just played the bass set
ships from the base game and tomorrow if we're still going
ahead with it, we're going to play Dark Elves versus skaven,
so that should be pretty cool. But yeah, really, really excited
about Manowar and this week, I've got my sea of blood
expansion came in and one of the boxes.
For the, I think it's Beasts of the deep one of the sea monster,
expansions with Triton, and you've got a few other different
kinds of what monsters you can have in it as well.
So yeah, it's slowly growing and getting there and I want to
talk. I want to experience Manowar
more and in person with someone else here.
So hopefully, I can konjac Justin, and Paul, and yeah,
again with me at some point but yeah, I know, I know you really
like Manowar to. Yeah, I raided a, I think it's
quite an incredible over all set.
I mean, just in terms of being a lightweight fun, interesting
game. I think it's pretty spot-on.
It's got like the right level of complexity.
The randomness is Good. And it's still kind of rewards,
good place. Yeah, I think it's a winner.
Yeah, I think from what I've seen of the rule books, I look
really good. It means that it, you know,
it's, it was set and, and designed during the time, 4th
edition. So you can see a lot of
cross-referencing of the rules or styles of play from both both
games. So skaven behave, just like
skaven should, and, you know, there's every chance that
they'll, you know, self-employed and kill heaps of their own guys
before they even get to the enemy skaven.
Sorry, the the dark elves. Of this really powerful powerful
magic and they ride these sea monsters in Manowar, rather than
actual ships. But the, the main sort of what
it calls shit carrier. Is this?
Yep. The black Arc of net worth which
is this enormous ships, the biggest ship in the entire game,
which can it, how's your entire fleet inside it?
It's such a great concept. So, yeah, the Design Concepts
are beautiful. The rule book, it's the rule
books themselves. As the the black-and-white
graphite ink illustrations. Are some of the best I've ever
seen. I think Wayne England, Mark,
Gibbons, and John Blanche did almost all the art, internal art
for the books. And I think it's some of the
best art of ever seen in the book.
Yeah, there are in such big stunning.
There's like stunning full-page artworks, it's really cool.
Yes of the jump. Last up is the best I've ever
seen him. Do I mean you know if you look
at some of those battle scenes, he's done.
There's one particular one that he's done which is two pages and
it's just incredible. That the detail the scope of it
and scale of it you know you can just really see he's been really
engaged and passionate about doing doing the whole project
and it was interesting to see that bill King was a main one of
the main contributors, I think not only writing, but actually
developing the game. And who was the other guy?
Was another person that wasn't all no Idols doing.
Did the base rules but the other person, the other guy was
involved in it and I don't have the book handy.
So I can't reference it here but he was in charge of like the
Electoral property basically but I forgot his, I forget his name
but he was like the main person who did the expansions and
everything is well like after they did the base game.
So yeah, it's kind of like a maybe A project that someone
said, hey this would be good to do.
Andy Jones. I think was the guy who did it
Andy Jones and maybe Nigel said, yeah, that sounds like a good
game to play and be. No, we should do like a naval
battle for fantasy and they probably did it in their spare
time, and I was just like a side project.
Like some of these games were, like, Lord of the Rings, and all
that kind of stuff, like side projects and then they'd sort of
just presented it to the, to the higher-ups and said, you know,
this is the game we want to make.
And what do you guys think? And they said, yep.
Okay, we'll do it. And I think, That's probably how
it started, I think. But yeah, like you say it, you
know, it has everything in it, you've got campaign rules,
you've got a ton of scenarios. If you combine the main rule
book and the plate Fleet rules, you've got, you know, you've got
to heaps of 2D terrain elements that you can use.
If you don't have the actual train yourself, you can play it
on the 4x4 board, the ships are beautifully, scaled, and you can
and you can paint an entire fleet and the week.
And if you really To all you need is what 10 ships?
Yeah. I say 12.
With a larger and I think this is this is me pulling on my
tinfoil hats like sand advances and absolute conspiracy theory.
But nicked the game was like a victim of its own success.
I think he done, pulled the plug on it because it was too good
but it wouldn't make them enough money.
The rules were so fun. I saw lots of people that into
play it in and then we must have realized that their made this
amazing game, but you only needed 10 minutes to play.
A have heart attack. Yeah, it kind of Yeah, I think
they could take it so far and there wasn't a next sort of step
with the game. There wasn't there was only so
so, so much they could do with it.
I think so, its lifespan sort of just ate it up and it ate itself
in the end and they decided. Okay, well, I think we've had,
we've had it, had its run. I think he likes epic space
meet. All those sort of, you know,
self-contained box games. They all had their shelf life
with Games Workshop, and it sort of it relied on the fan.
To keep them alive after they had surpassed their.
Yeah, I mean it goes a lot of stuff published.
I just was a lot easier to keep making units.
Manuel was a little bit Limited in what you could do without
getting some crazy from my experience.
One thing I say to be careful with what Manowar is Norm, ditch
Flyers. did just not not worth the time and effort and the
black Arc has got some really really on interesting movement
rules. Yeah, it multiply magic and
because it's intended to be this gigantic Hulk, it actually
pushes any other unit that it encounters out of the way.
So if you're if you're really vicious fiend, then you can use
the black Arc to just push everyone's units around and
cause massive problems her sail. Ships, sailing ships.
So that's an interesting one, right?
Because that's, that's essentially what needs to do.
Because he needs to get right in right into your to the opposing
fleets right up close and then open it, you know, it's rear
gate and I'd let all the fleet's out, so the monsters and get in
close. They don't think they don't get
shot up as they advance and so they can enter hand combat.
Yeah, I was like, and I played quite a few games with dark
elves for mental. And I, I stopped loading,
loading, the black car cup with Beast.
So yeah, I think he's a hit a critical hit, which gets
everything trapped inside. They can still work their way
out of it. If even if you destroy the rear
doors, they can still get out. Somehow, it's in the rules
somewhere. I don't, I don't write, I was
always paranoid again trapped in there.
So I just rushed across the table, pretty quick, and pretty
deadly. Yeah, there's one thing about
the rules like, like epic Space Marine and like matter War,
they're laid out, not not the best one in the best way because
sometimes they have a lot of rules in a camouflaged in with
the flavor text and in other sections, not not in one place.
So you need to read the whole thing over a few times before
you actually get and collect all those smaller additional rules
for your fleets. I found Yes, epic Space Marines.
Quite guilty of that because you'll find rules that aren't
mentioned on the cards that aren't mentioned in their army
list section. And if you go through the flavor
text, oh, there's that special rule that I needed before though
to know it was there before. So yeah, you need to check plus
there's some there was some there's a rules for the
Nautilus, the dwarf, Nautilus we're actually misprinted and
you need to check it on the dwarf Elite summary and they do
have the, the chart for the P. Do when they fire the Torpedoes,
it was incorrect on the first sheet on the first page but look
at the second page it's been corrected.
So yeah, I think I think with the Aging rulesets, you know,
you do a lot of mistakes do creep up and you need to check.
Cool. Hey, what.
We're talking Manowar, I'm all do this all the time, but I
really want to plug the universal head unit cards in May
there's a some graphic designer who has like a unit League of
Extraordinary Gamers but he has sensible.
Really amazing knack for rewriting rulebooks.
It might be better. And he did a or if you're an
advanced space Crusade player, there's a there's like a full
summary for advanced space Crusade what you did, but it's
really beautiful document, but it actually makes the game
really easy to understand and play which is quite an
achievement, but he also created a full set of unit quads for the
more efficient. And they're designed to be
printed and laminated and then you can just can't damage with a
white board marker. So they're really clear.
I think all of your run will be incorporated into them and
they're also much smaller. See Marine that looks like your
whole Fleet taking out the same amount of space as the actual
official card template for the black Arc.
It's really interesting. It's really good to design and
it just makes the game Flow Away if they're really cool.
Nice. Okay, well, I'll check it out.
I know they've been mentioned about that and I think he uses
those, those templates as well, which is quite sad because I
just spent an awful lot of money.
Just buying, see a blood. Now, with all those templates,
they're the ones I really wanted the to be honest.
The scope is pretty huge computer.
Space Crusade like space Crusaders.
Just I shouldn't say just because people love it but it's
like 40K. Right.
It's that, that is that level of complexity, Advanced space
Crusade is like a full set of. I guess, Kermit rolls designed
for fighting battles inside of a inside of a turn at Hive ship.
And they're quite quite complicated and involved.
So you can interrupt, you can take like with this reaction
option. Pretty funky system and it works
reasonably well, but it's built around the some really
interesting campaign system. So there, yeah, it's a really
interesting game. It's got quite a funky system
for exploring the hive ship, and it has a tactical support.
It's got like a tactical display.
So you have counters for each of you and units and then you've
got like three axes of Advance within the hive ship.
And it's it works really well as and it's kind of interesting
because the current the tone of players under a lot of pressure
to really conserve the unit That I'm start out with a lot.
They kind of have to build them up slowly over time.
So and the the Imperial player Starts out with quite a powerful
force. It's the there's quite a few
motions where you're like just kind of trying to kill just like
one or two to a neighbor's or one or two marines.
Just slowly kind of burning them back whilst taking acceptable
whilst his it's um it's pretty. It's a cool game and its really
really good white dwarf. Cool content for it.
There are rules for attacking the hive ship with Orcs These
swap out the Imperial player for a walk on the right, which is
really cool and then they are there's roads for all Imperial
Guard. So it gives it a really
different feel So now I rate it. The only problem is the doors
are quite graphic basically vagina.
So when you set it up, you've got anything to people.
Why you've got the little cardboard vagina.
Read all over your playing area? That I'm, that's quite unusual.
I'm not sure how that. Got not steal GW not to come.
Life is a cat like Isadora cancer right to Mark, which
doors are open. I wasn't being normal doors.
The color like sphincters or something.
Yeah yeah yeah yeah we'll just imagine like Tina.
Strange looks from possible eyes.
That's something to look out for young game as I suppose.
So, all right, yeah, so yeah, hopefully, I'll get to play that
white at some point because I know that Marcel has faced
Crusade and I already said, you know, because we're doing this
remote thing with he requested Advanced request.
Let's get Space Crusade on the table at some point and we'll
try that because I'd like to, I'd like to at least experienced
it. I don't think I'll enjoy it as
much as he requests but I'll just, you know, want to just
experience. I just Googled the doors did not
actually as terrible as I thought maybe I was more
self-conscious as a young person.
They are pretty funny, so check them out.
I know that I know the internal Graphics, the same in the
catalogs. And I've got one here actually
this is just around just a man he of that of that particular
set and it's very vividly colorful like it's really well
out there like you know, someone's someone's partaking in
some pretty wild. Yeah, it's boards up some kind
of drug. The boards are pretty well to
you, but you got recycled for some other games because there's
Advanced space crusade in. A lot of the components were
Rehashed full some yeah this business is another game I turn
it. Attack is another big box game,
which I think she has some components.
Gloria is a pretty simplified. Yeah I'm just looking at them
intact. Now we recycled a lot of the
cardboard components but with the really really simplified
rules here so flag Gotcha. Okay.
So yeah cheering attack came with like ultramarines and
Mighty Warriors. I think it was called.
Yeah, and dungeon Bowl. Yeah, that's the one.
I think I'm just the Trove has got a really nice PD, if it
walks. So if you're interested in doing
some exploring of that rule set, definitely worth having a look
at and the campaign. Yeah, I need to go there.
I was looking at trying to fill in some time last week at work
and yeah, I'll definitely do that this way.
Yeah, it's blocked. It work.
Okay. Unfortunately, they went through
my favorite websites and block them so that's not accessible
for more time brother. Okay, well well on your phone,
you can access the most Bose. But he probably probably Mike
probably in my case to made a popular program that that whole
computer software that. Yeah, yeah.
I noticed like over the last couple of weeks, the Trove has
disappeared from work. What's good?
Is being shut down? I'm trying to take it quite
personally. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Moving right along. It's good.
Advanced space Crusade Manowar space.
Anything else? Space Hulk.
Mighty Empires Mighty Empires. Now, you were going to start
doing something with the group with body Empires and we'll sort
of decided that it wasn't disappointed.
Maybe some other time. That.
Yeah, but we're doing all the time.
That's fine. Yeah.
Now we're doing cocaine. Marcel's really Kane I think
Timothy's pretty King to do because we're all.
So the old Hammer is enough confirm that age of board games
and stuff like that. So I think we're pretty awful,
pretty Keen to try it out and whoever else wanted to join in
with us. But some what materials the
roles I made were they really crap.
Okay, I'm glad we're not doing it then because I would have
suffered and you'll announce of paying, you know, playing that
being invaded and ransacked and yeah, I think their main defense
would benefactor just no one wanted to wander into your
ghetto Kingdom. Okay.
Yeah. It was yeah it was in the
mountains lots of barren terrain and they do ab Tony and kingdoms
which were like just the most Rolls-Royce, the state's you've
ever seen there was so loaded the seat up for that.
Game was quite blessed. Which randomly allocate those
roles to the next game. Then someone's going to get
that. All right, ready around lately,
maybe randomly locate people in different areas and I definitely
see out there could be a long and slow I photographed.
It does sir, I was happy with. That was pretty funky.
Okay. Yep.
In more I think about it this
week actually began talking to the guys on Discord and stuff.
There's so many good old Hammer Games you know which I you know
I terms old Handler because it's sort of like late 80s that are
so good. Like this such Classics that you
know, I still believe long to play and maybe some I just
missed out on. I've got Talos.
Yep. You know, that's what 1986 or
something. Mission and it's still one of
the best ball games I've ever played.
You know? And I've got kids playing here
that they're 17, you know, Seventeen, sixteen Seventeen
plus. Yeah.
Well, I've got two teenage daughters and one of them really
likes. Talisman, sweet.
That's the one game I play with her.
And that quite a fan of the original dungeon Quest.
So that's probably the only. I'm the only to war games.
I play with members of my actual household.
That's not too bad. Eh yeah I always thought
Talisman looked absolutely terrible when I was a teenager
as I will have a snakes and ladders.
What is that rubbish? Yeah, well yeah it's just a
little too cool for school attitudes.
It's very good. Yeah, I didn't I didn't realize,
but it's kind of quite popular. Now way I picked up your
talismans, play with my daughter when she was younger.
It was a coffee, which came with them, a couple of expansions and
stuff. All in one box.
And it was pretty awesome. And then I went to her like a
local wargaming by cell a month ago and got a second copy of
Talisman, because it came with the, um, the dungeons expansion
Talisman The Dungeon That's so sweet more.
Don't think we're going to be good, that's it.
Simply that the grand total of 25 bucks.
Yep, 25 bucks. Yeah.
They're selling them. Yeah.
Yeah that's good. How much on eBay something crazy
but I've got the dungeon and the Timescape expansion and boy oh
boy, I wish I'd collected everything.
When I had the chance back in the day like you know yeah like
this look at you like a city expansion and you had like the
there's like an overall expansion which had like
different cards that you have when you reach the crown.
No command. And you draw the card out, would
come up with some kind of random ending or something like that.
Yeah, it's such a brilliant game.
Such a brilliant system. Yeah.
It's just such a shame that well, suppose, you could just
pose, if you really wanted to, you can find scans of it and
scan it, but that'll be pretty cheap and nasty.
But if you can find some guy who print it for you, if you could
find really decent scans like PDFs of it of the expansions and
get some person to print it out. Yeah, Austin.
Yeah, you can do it that way. You don't really need the boxes.
Yeah, yeah. And Trace me, I am death.
When we're finished playing it with a plane up with the dragons
expansion, Means the bullet tunnel goes out with dragons and
kids pretty diabolical past. So it's fun with we'll keep that
one. But now we've got like the
slightly low power version which is just the base game with the
dungeons expecting. It's that's one we playing for a
while. Cool.
Nice. Yeah, it's a great.
Great game. Yeah.
Those those kind of games and I say that for most of the old
Hammer Games, The Box games, at least that they just don't age,
you know, you can play it, you know, 30 40 years after they've
been produced and they're still good games.
Yeah. So now you know, that gives me a
lot of Merit really. I think that's why a lot of
people still hunting them down and paying huge amounts of money
for them because yeah, they're still Blast that, you know, the
things that all the games that they've tried to reproduce
through Fantasy Flight. That kind of thing just aren't
the same. So people looking for the
original class. Yeah.
Like I play a lot of different board games contemporary ones as
well as the older GW both game. I can't I can't kind of work out
what it is, they like what? What is the percent?
What's what's that? If you break down the appeal?
In fact, people want to play them when they begin to take his
money for them. How much of it is the de great
games, how much of it is like Just people kind of remember
them from the cloud hood that Nostalgia aspect of its kind of,
there's a bit of a balance and there like some I don't know,
arguably put you hear people saying that like contemporary
games that the mechanics involved in all these sorts of
things but yeah and when I play them on enjoy them.
There's a lot of games from back in the day that I didn't play
back in the day and want to play them.
Now, I think the awesome so they must be doing something right.
Yep. Yep.
Yeah I feel the same. I've played some contemporary
gangs from seen mine and and others and they've been
fantastic. One of them being.
Yep, Joan of Arc, have been Joan of Arc.
The kennel Kickstarter that was a great game.
It's an awesome game. You know, I think those get
those those kind of special games have, you know, along the
got longevity to them, you know, you can play them for over and
over. So many times multiple times in
different concern areas with different people and that is
never a bit older think, I think Talisman has that as well.
It has a lot of replayability in that nothing's going to be the
same. Except the one thing that
husband is my daughter has to play the properties.
You know, that always going to be the same over and over again.
Oh sure. Yeah, yeah.
There's no doubt it's not possible in this league because
prophetess because she was much younger and I think that was the
the Stylee looking female character.
And then after she played with the prophetess, she couldn't
switch to other characters because it's just such a wildly
overpowered. Official role that that
character rocks. Yeah, so yeah, not we've got a
junior programmer. And the property is the deny the
crown of command of talisman. Yeah, well, I think the one that
can combine the strengths and crafts together is probably the
best one. I think.
Once that, is that the troll I can't remember one of those
characters can combine their right?
That's it. The prophet is dropped having
Jaws 2 cards. Each turn what draw an extra
card and chooses which one It's effectively, just never doesn't
are which one is smashing, random events and less.
Yeah, really unlucky. Yep.
Straight off the bat, I'm going to say don't even bother about
sea conditions. Yeah, no, that's going to
differences. I should go to differences.
What's the difference? I use is really annoying, custom
dice for the shooting, which is unnecessary.
And for me that the map design had lots and lots and lots of
straight corridors. So it's just a little bit
lacking, the Third Edition is actually really good.
It's um, The guard ruled they added is quite interesting.
It's quite fun. It doesn't break the game in any
way. They did soften the scenarios,
soften the missions. From what I've seen and the
original suicide mission is to like.
It's it's suicide mission, it's pretty heinous but, um, It's
just incredibly incredibly simple Roos it which is free
from ambiguity. and, Involves a lot of it as simple.
What if this massive dog for a warding?
Careful play and creating really kind of nail-biting situations
The balance is perfect. The theme is awesome.
Yeah, I really love the components for the first
edition. And I mean, the, the first to
experience, the first expansion adds a lot to seek Nick.
The second expansions, a bit of a bit of problematic beast, but
it's a game that you learn the more you play it too, kind of
the better you get at what, initially seems to be kind of
totally impossible as becomes possible.
So I find when people expect. So it was like, man, there's no
way no way this is achievable and then they kind of get better
better at it. Is that sussing out actually how
to complete missions and how to get things done.
And then they think oh, the person playing the steel is
basically to just drive and steal towards the Marine the
Marines to kill. And then you realize it was
actually like a really rich array of options and kind of
tactics for the steel player uses.
Well and then it just the game flies a and it's incredibly
fast. If you play with the climber,
which makes it pretty awesome. Then we got to do so you can see
it then if you're lucky and and it just flies a and so good.
Okay, well I've got a question. Yeah, total, I love Miami.
That was my only problem with the game is that I just I just
couldn't well in for the Third Edition set anyway because the
Steelers are just Steelers and they have no range weapons and
they basically just running towards the Marines, all the
time. I just found it like a very
boring, you know, very straightforward, way of playing
playing a an army, so or a force I suppose it was just the
opponent in the game. So I think the Means have a lot
more diversity and what they can do and weaponry and they're just
more fun to play. But yeah.
Did you find that as well? Or is it maybe just because of
that condition and they didn't have the?
Yeah, I think yes. And I kind of stuff that first
edition had the enjoyment of the Steelers, don't need a range of
units to be enjoyable. Like I personally think that
Gene still expansion. Kind of misses the game up a
birthday. It's unnecessary.
So I've The Psychic Rose mean it's just kind of becomes all
about Library Librarians and Pegasus the hybrids are
interesting but not really any Theory.
I think that enjoyment playing steel is come from the fact that
you didn't like money options and there's a lot of, there's a
lot of decisions and a lot of to make about kind of timing.
When to reveal yourself, how to slow the Marine players, how to
force them ring, glad to make kind of risky place there's yeah
I think there's a lot of depth to steal.
I had a played Okay, a lot of Hulk, maybe 300 ohms over the
place of five years. With some, with one of my
friends and he would just dumb, see that motions?
But he identify what he thought was, the kind of key part of the
mission and then just play that, like, 30 40 times over the
course of a week and just like, homeowners tactics.
You turn up next week, thinking it had a little bit of a think
about, okay. And he, I was interested
interested in seeing how far he can kind of push the Steelers in
terms of them. Yeah, making a little tricky,
making life really hard for the Marine player.
So It's yeah, assistant with the it's a different Buzz, going
Steelers and maybe it's not for everyone.
But once you start mucking around seeing what they can do,
dude, I found it really enjoyable.
Okay, blessings for think we'll have to try that maybe when the
get to get around to playing it again, but I think it's a good
game for remote play too, because board games.
Generally are just good for remote play because of the
squares or the prep parameters, where they can move and you have
to worry about measure measuring or anything like that.
So maybe we can get it on on a real house.
I was kind of thinking about that.
I don't know how well Hulk translates to remote play.
The blood proteins have to be hidden from one player means
that if you're the person board, maybe you have to play Steelers.
Yeah, which I'm happy to do. And then I guess, yeah, if you
took away the time limit so that the other player could could
explain carefully where they wanted their pieces to move.
That, that would, that could work.
But, yeah, that would be good. Yeah, I've got some, I've got
access to something nicely painted steel is Terminators.
They're not my own, but I'm sure I could borrow them if you want
to play some games. I'll have to get a decent camera
setup. Let's do it.
Right. Yeah just had your phone by
that's all you need. That's that's all you need
really to easy. But yeah, we got, we're going to
play Advanced. He requests tonight with four
players meet, like me being the fifth like as the GM.
So, we're playing on Discord tonight.
So I'm really looking forward to the guys at will be looking
forward to it. So it's going to be awesome and
it really works. Well, through through remote
play on Discord, it works perfectly well.
So you can have, you know, multiple people joining the
server that that particular voice Channel and even if you're
not playing, you're not being a participant in it.
You can just join the room and just look and watch as we
playing it, so it's a really good.
Yeah, Advanced hero Quest is a strange with me.
So I really got excited about it and then suddenly I after a
couple of games I realized that there's a huge break in the
game. And I after that, I was kind of
does almost like no more pointing way.
It's really critical for your enjoyment of the game that your
party needs massacred horribly and has to retreat and the first
two or three campaigns or to be Mission.
If do the way the character advancement works.
And the way that the fake points accumulate, I think if you get
lucky and like, succeed in your first three motions, you become
too kind of invincible deity's though.
It's liver problem. Yeah, I can see that definitely
happening but it's up to the GM. How he's going to hear how he's
going to moderate that and how difficult he wants to make it
for the players. I mean I've got the scenario
rules here and the monsters that are in the monster Matrix is or
whatever, but I'm going to have a couple of little extra
Monsters here that I can just Chuck in when I want to, when I
think I was pretty easy for these guys.
Here you go. Try to tackle this guy, you
know, he's got ten wounds is what, you know, toughness 10,
you know. Just see it's just saying how
you, how you got, how you can do and how you can deal with this
guy because you want to challenge us as players, you
want to challenge in your quests, you don't want to just
be yeah. Flying through it without any.
I think my frustration with the game comes with like comes with
it as a solo. You expecting roles from
whatever. It's called.
The one we found dead on the box, it's fast.
It plays really well, but you can't, you accumulated.
Snow fate points in once your characters and got three or four
fate points. All of the kind of deadliness
that makes the certain so good, really disappeared.
But not, if you've got a GM who Wanna crank up the difficulty as
needed, I think that wouldn't be a problem.
Yeah, I think, I think that's what the way I'm going to do it.
And I think when Marcel, for example, will run his games in
oldest Talent, you know, just because he's excused more table
experience of running these games.
And I am with Advanced to request from done, a lot of her
equate Warhammer fantasy, roleplay sessions, that kind of
thing. So, I think he's got a good
understanding of how he's going to do it later on.
But yeah, this would be a good test for me to get the guys
under pressure under the pump and See.
See, you know, nothing. Coke connection difficult.
They have to pay certain taxes or something like that, so it's
always quite funny. But, yeah, that we look we look
forward to doing my even though it might not be all the time,
you know. I don't think it's a game that
you could play every weekend. I think it's a game that you
could play once a month and have fun with it for that.
One session or twice a month or something and then play
something else. Mmm.
Otherwise it's gonna completely random note.
While we're talking about kind of box games, have you heard of
a good engine degenerate? Yep there's a game called
dungeon degenerate while company could gobbling Kyle.
If you kind of like those classic TW bison games, it's
really kind of an homage to those those games.
A it was it was read recently like within the last kind of 45
years I guess I was excited. But now now things available to
buy from them and it's um it's a really good kind of heroic Quest
Style game. It's got a really good corner.
It's got really consistent art Direction, the people who made
it. I think a huge, huge Punk, want
things, but they're also BTW like 80s GW fans and it's a lot
of similarities they definitely worth checking out.
Cool. My do that made.
You have a quick look at it. I was like, good Dungeon
Crawler. I'm a big Dungeon Crawl fan.
But admittedly, I don't have many games.
I just hope he requested a transfer request civilians, but
I'm I'm always curious to see things, like, massive darkness,
by seamen games. That looks like a really good
game. I really would love to try that.
Groom Haven. There's another one that looks
quite interesting to me the Warhammer QUEST card game that
Fantasy Flight brought out many years ago.
I would love to try that. Just will have a quest as well.
I've only ever really truly tried to.
I've never played a full game of it so yeah.
All those games are very interesting to me.
Yeah, this is an impact cruel game going lately.
Start off in. Dungeon you starve in the
dungeon of the main, the capital 30 and then you flip in the
dungeon have all these Bizarre Adventures but it's got like the
equivalent of the chaos waste, all those sort of classic
locations, get a troop around them and a greater demon of zinj
turns up and it's pretty wild. Oh, cool.
Okay. Well, yes.
If you let me, I'll send you a link Twitter as well.
I hear that. This is pulling Joshua.
Let's call it a night. Thank you so much, Jesse free
time and now it was good because kids able to look old games with
some remote gaming. I would like to say that I'm
hoping by December of every thousand points points of ox
painted. So if anyone would like a remote
game of war and fantasy battle fourth edition, Oxford son, did
I think that's going to be hard planning to celebrate reaching
that thousand points? Own.
Can't be at night. I'll be definitely a into that.
Either of these final, I love fourth edition.
Both armies, very interesting. So yeah, you just said, sounds
good and maybe we'll get that hot going and swing from sounds
good. Yeah, yeah, if you want to,
we'll try it and we'll just try it, you know, just try remote
because, you know, some remote games just don't work.
And so all we can do is just try it and see how it goes and if it
works. Then great.
Yeah. That sounds good.
Now, that's all I've got to say. Thanks to everyone for all the
painting and posting up. All the cool images it's been
working to see that cause the crown working so well they I've
been quite Blown Away by how successful it's been. and, Yeah.
Yeah thanks for your help as well that Jesse you've done a
lot of help with the with the Call of the crown.
I left a lot of that to you on your shoulders mate because I
knew I just wouldn't be able to do all of it so yeah yeah.
Yeah. I think often reply to the cool
cool Crown collated call of crown related questions and The
Chronic my Gmail. So if people are confused, why
this getting random emails from someone, could you see That's
um, that's me. I would be like hey how about
this? I wonder like to think that
you've got like two distinct. I did.
So yeah, now I think someone calling Jesse other day.
Maybe I think someone did. Yeah I think somebody.
Yeah well now people have heard this podcast.
Yeah, we are to be convinced. No one could talk to them self
for 1 hour and 20 minutes. JJ.
That's what I'll take a merging, not no ice.