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ACA have published a new 
technical article for AAA, the 

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Proposed International Standard 
on Sustainability Assurance or 

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ISA 5000 to its friends. 
So I'm back in the podcast chair

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to record and explain a podcast 
taking you through this 

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technical article. 
Now, I'm going to start by 

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giving you a bit of context 
reasons for why this 

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sustainability standard has been
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We'll then go through the 
technical article in detail, and

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for each part of the article I'm
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the exam, relevance of that part
of it, making it clear the 

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technical detail and how it 
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And then actually on that exam 
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talking about why ACI have 
published this now, is it likely

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to be tested in your AAA exam? 
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tested? 
So apologies, it's been a while 

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since I've been in the podcast 
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I've been super busy. 
Word has been spreading about my

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AAA courses. 
I've had lots of students 

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signing up for my Platinum 
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and my revision core course. 
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everyone's questions on my 
course and giving detailed 

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feedback on all of their 
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So I've not had much time for 
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doing a lot of work for ACCA. 
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their YouTube channel, you'll 
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have been producing for them. 
And so yeah, podcasting has kind

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of fallen by the wayside. 
But I'm back in the chair now, 

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and this is gonna be a good one.
Context in this section of the 

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podcast. 
Why has this sustainability 

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assurance standard been 
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Well, it's really in response to
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Companies are increasingly 
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AESG, environmental, social and 
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They're doing it partly because 
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area. 
Any company in the EU, for 

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example, any larger company, has
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Non Financial Reporting 
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So companies in the EU have to 
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And in many international 
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if it's not mandated, the 
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A lot of them are choosing to 
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Initiative. 
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framework for ESG reporting. 
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biggest companies are now 
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because they have to, all 
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Now, why do they want to report 
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Why give away more information 
in your financials and in your 

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annual report? 
Then you have to well, it's in 

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the company's interests. 
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This was from research from the 
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Companies that that report on 
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viewed by the market have higher
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price premium of over 6% for 
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these metrics because of a lot 
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on this sort of stuff. 
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really because their investors 
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I've kind of mentioned that, but
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employees. 
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that 85% of large company 
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employees care as well, 
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those that want to make a moral 
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they choose to work for. 
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increasingly reporting on ESG 
metrics and therefore auditors 

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have got more work to do to 
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what is being reported so that 
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So that's the context. 
That's why this this exposure 

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draught has been published in 
the next section. 

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I'm going to take you through 
the technical article and and 

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make sure I'll try and make 
clear a lot of the more 

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complicated parts of it and I'll
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be tested in the AAA exam. 
On to the technical article 

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itself on ISA 5000. 
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read it. 
It's available on the ACA's 

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website in the AAA section on 
technical articles on topic 

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explainers and and you'll find 
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Go there and have a read of it. 
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ACCA listen to my podcast. 
So for those from ACA, this is a

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very informative article on 
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For the students who are 
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you sorry this podcast, if you 
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perhaps like me, you found it 
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Yeah, there's a lot of long 
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It's like the person writing it 
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when I can use some really long 
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to try to make this quite simple
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Anyway, if you are listening 
from ACCA, apologies. 

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I like to be real and this 
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So what I'm gonna try and do in 
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bring it to life a bit and tell 
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also be talking about the exam 
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So the article starts off by 
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that there are multiple 
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ESG metrics, sustainability 
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What that means is that 
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based in, it will have different
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what should be reported. 
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reporting the same things. 
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on where you are in the world. 
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reporting different metrics, but
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trying to do with this 
international standard on 

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sustainability assurance is 
right a single guidance document

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for auditors that they can apply
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company is in and whatever rules
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reporting on sustainability 
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Then the article goes on to talk
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sustainability reporting 
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quite technical stuff in there, 
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and acceptance of any non audit 
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straightforward. 
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through the information you're 
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it. 
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have professional competence to 
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What's the time frame like? 
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of work? 
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interest with existing clients? 
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us and therefore there could be 
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audit because a lot of these 
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the matters that are being 
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There could be a self-interest 
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engagement because the fees 
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So acceptance of the engagement,
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article's really long winded 
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about it too much in the exam. 
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work is the same approach as 
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work. 
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talking about planning, planning
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on sustainability. 
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type of work is the same as 
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we're being asked to do? 
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What financial reporting rules? 
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experience? 
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it's really important is that we
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business around producing these 
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might not have good internal 
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It's likely that the company is 
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things for the first time if 
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if they're doing it for the 
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chance of error because they 
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good controls around creating 
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So there is a higher control 
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misstatement in the numbers 
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might not be robust. 
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talk about materiality and 
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of the article that I found most
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It talks about double 
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bifurcation and stratification. 
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and strange ideas. 
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calculating your materiality 
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setting a materiality level 
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numbers in the scenario. 
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materiality, you come up with a 
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Let's say it's $5,000,000. 
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That's what materiality means. 
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number $5 million. 
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to say of the technical article 
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grammes per per per litre or 
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number that you can't relate 
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$5,000,000 materiality level 
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number. 
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Again, it's litres of water. 
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that we can compare to $5 
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of their metrics are around 
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satisfaction. 
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financial metrics, so you can't 
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statement materiality. 
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error or omission is big enough 
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care about. 
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double materiality or 
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It means we're going to have to 
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concept and level for each of 
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reported. 
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section, so I'm going to break 
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go through the remainder of the 
article which is really talking 

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about ethics and greenwashing 
onto the last part of the 

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article which is talking about 
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little bit about reporting and 
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Now the ethics and greenwashing 
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the point that management have 
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what they decide to report under
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Even if they are following 
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Reporting Initiative, which is a
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things, there's still a lot of 
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exactly what they choose to 
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businesses will have different 
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relevant to their organisation. 
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management judgement around what
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real scope for management bias 
and that's something we have to 

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be very hot on as the auditor. 
So if this comes up in your 

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exam, you've really got to be 
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deciding to report. 
Are they trying to present a 

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more favourable picture of their
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They probably are. 
They'll probably be some reason 

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in the scenario that management 
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trying to obtain finance, they 
might be trying to win a big 

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contract, They might be trying 
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Or they're impressing the bank 
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And so they could have an 
incentive to make these numbers 

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Anytime that there's management,
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bias, well then there is 
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to demonstrate your professional
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Earning marks for pointing out 
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explaining why and that's going 
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also professional skills credit 
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Double credit a great thing. 
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of assurance. 
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could be giving reasonable 
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if we are reporting on these 
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you're doing a full audit. 
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be the case if these metrics are
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company's financial statements. 
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non audit assurance type 
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giving limited assurance, right.
That's the norm there, and 

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that's much more likely to be 
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if this is tested right. 
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next section I'm going to be 
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going to be examined in the 
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Now, this technical article on 
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published in January 2024. 
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exam in 2024, right? 
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maybe the June sitting then This
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is an exposure draught and the 
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the past that exposure draughts 
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So if we take the examiner at 
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not going to be tested. 
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going to be tested in detail in 
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sittings, but the examiner 
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then does another. 
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published ahead of those exams 
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you to be all over this article 
just in case just to cover your 

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back. 
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and June 24 exam sittings, it's 
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based question where we're doing
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perhaps you're given some KPI's,
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you're asked to auto suggest 
audit procedures around how you 

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would you would test those 
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materially correct. 
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a non audit engagement that is 
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well there's a new syllabus 
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that new syllabus which will 
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way through to exams through to 
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That new syllabus has a specific
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reporting which does include 
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And so my real thought around 
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it's really for exams from 
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of you are sitting the exam 
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need to worry about this too 
much, but just to be on the safe

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side, it makes sense for you to 
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Good news for those of you who 
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September 24 onwards is that my 
course materials have been fully

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updated to bring in all of this 
stuff on sustainability 

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reporting, so you will be well 
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It's me, we will be all over 
this stuff in the course 

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materials, right? 
Well that's it for this long and

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hopefully not as dry as the 
technical article podcast. 

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Hopefully that helped to bring 
it to life a bit for you and you

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feel a bit more prepared now for
sustainability reporting if it 

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comes up in your exam. 
Best of luck for your AAA exam 

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if it is coming up.
