Pork. Oh, hi.
Yes, hi. Hello, how's it going?
Hey, viewers and listeners video good to be here.
Have you been here? Glad to be here.
What? A great audience here, goes
thinking about it, and I'm sorry that I'm springing this on you
really. So as we record the podcast, I
asked for board and you were like Erik's, always think.
I have an idea for this podcast. So cool.
What is it? You're like I'll tell you while
we're recording those like awesome.
As I want to know, I want to know your authentic thoughts,
okay? So here's the thing.
So you know how we've been going through and we've been looking
at the diagnostic criteria and the Grissom?
Yes, I was thinking about it and it's January.
Yes, which is pretty much March. Yes.
And you know what is happening in March?
The new DSM comes out, it's true.
And so I was thinking about Eric and according to the DSM
website, which I Literally just had on my phone and now I think
I don't have on my phone anymore and so I'm going to be mad about
it. They are saying some pretty cool
things about the old, the old DSM and it sounds like maybe
they're going to update a lot of stuff that maybe were bitching
about. And so we're like complaining
about something but they're about to fix.
Yeah. And so so I think about it I
think maybe a more interesting thing to do would be to wait
until the new one comes out. Yes.
And then like compare and contrast.
Yeah. And see like what if anything
changes and like what if they what if anything they add?
What if anything they take away and then that way instead of
just being like, I'm so mad that it says seems and then it's
like, oh, they definitely took that out because I just feel
like those episodes are gonna be like, really silly.
Yeah, I guess that's true. It will be just complain about
stuff. That's irrelevant now.
Yeah, you're not make sense to me.
I'm wrong. I'm gonna make a lot of sense to
make this. Yeah.
However, in the interest of full disclosure, I also have no
solution as to what we actually do.
I guess, it's maybe it's just as well.
What if we really think about doing this later but I'm gonna
start doing it now. What if we check the, the ask at
infinite Quest podcasts? Yeah, do a little Q&A and we
just we can one put Wilwood, whatever will place a yellow
questions. We'll just run through them and
maybe we'll do some quick answers.
Maybe we'll do some long. Some long boys?
I'm long boys. Well, grab grab a Garena.
Yeah well you know that? Yeah.
Sweet. Hi everybody.
Its peak. I'm sorry I forgot that part and
it's me how you say Hello. It's me.
Hey goo. Welcome back to the quest visual
humor visual humor for the yeah. Oh it's a noble.
Definitely upload, right? This time.
Okay, so it looks like today we're going to be going through
the email. This is a little is a piston
earlier, segment listener. Yeah.
So it's a what do they call them?
Email bar, episode mailbag. No bag of Posada lepus owed.
Well, they're all bottle episodes.
We, that's what every single episode of our podcast is a
bottle also. So yeah, we have to stay in the
room. Interesting.
Fine. All right.
Okay, let's see. Did I do that?
Tada. Okay, I have one.
I have a really good. We got.
What do you got? Okay, so Sarah, not Sarah.
Huff different. Sarah different Sarah.
Hi Sarah Sarah. Just sa ra, but I will say their
last name because it's kind of a sensitive question.
I'm really struggling right now. With my partner, my partner has
ADHD and they use it as as an excuse for their bad behavior
all the time. And they don't Don't take
personal responsibility for the moments when they have hurt me.
What should I do? Oh, I don't like that.
Everybody has a personal responsibility to not be a dick
to people I don't care what your brain is doing.
You got to not be a dick to people.
Yeah, it's like a whole thing the whole thing.
Well, jeez, I'm sorry. I mean, I guess it was, you
know, your partner with an ID because I don't know your part
but explaining to them like, hey, I feel you on all the
difficult ADHD stuff, the difficult mental health stuff,
like I feel you on that, sometimes it is hard.
Didn't want done, say this but not be a dick to people, but you
still can't. I mean given the, the
explanation is not excuses. Are like, I'm happy to hear
explanations for why it's difficult for you to not do the
behavior that you don't like, but you're not trying to hear
excuses for why it's going to keep happening.
There's it being mentally ill of any kind is not is not an excuse
to be a jackass to paraphrase Pete Davidson st.
Pete Davidson Esquire. I mean, if talking to them is is
what you decide to go with. And then, yes, explanations not
excuses. Yeah, I think that I think.
Yeah. I mean I think I disagree.
I mean it's I just agree. I said I think that sounded like
disagree, but I just agree. I think like there's a really
big difference between being. Like, sometimes I struggle with,
you know, frustration tolerance, and sometimes I struggle with
emotional dysregulation and therefore it is challenging
sometimes. For me to remain calm during an
argument and saying I have ADHD so you can't get mad at me.
If I yell and scream and and and you know, react in a way that is
inappropriate. And so I think that's just it
is. I think that there has to be a
absolute culpability, you know what I mean is like, you cannot
use ADHD as an excuse for bad or abusive or inappropriate
behavior because it's not, yeah, because that's the thing is,
like, it's just not an excuse, you know?
Yeah. yeah, and so I think like my real piece of advice is if
this person's partner cannot Take personal responsibility.
I think like, a real honest answer is like, don't write an
email to a podcast, write an email to a therapist because
like it is not okay to be in a situation where you don't feel
safe and you don't feel valued and you don't feel supported.
Yeah. I think having a moderator for
that kind of discussion, I think is.
Yeah. Very useful.
Sometimes it's not needed. Yeah.
Like hopefully you have a supportive partner partner, who
listens in which case hearing you say it would be enough?
I mean, not a, not just going to snap.
Yeah. It doesn't solve the problem
immediately, you're likely going to have to continue talking
about it, to make sure that that new ideal of explanations.
No excuses is, you know, holds up over time.
But if just talking, your partner doesn't work then yeah,
having a third party moderate the discussion and guide.
The discussion can be immeasurably helpful because
then your partner doesn't can't just say oh it's just you like
you're not whatever if you have a third party who can say like
no, you know, they're right, you know, You know, you can't be a
dick. I don't care how hard your, you
know, I will my examples always interrupting people like I have
the urge to interrupt people all the time and I used to but it's
still rude to interrupt people, no matter how hard it is for you
to not. So, anyways, I would so talk to
them and if not that, then I would strongly consider a
couples counseling. I think couples counseling is
healthy for everybody. Yeah.
Cool. Do you have a fun one?
I think there's a couple of good ones I saw were going to have to
I'm just and I feel like a pressure to, like, entertain
during the party. Really read through all the
different Emails to do. Do do.
There's so many good ones, though.
No, I have another going on. What do ya got for what you got?
Let me get another one on Deck. Shinae says, oh God, there's a
lot of backstory. So I'm going to find the actual
question today is where T. We love.
What we love. We love an explanation.
That's the best part honestly. Okay, this is like a slight
derailment. One of my favorite things about
the ask at infinite cost. Podcast.com is like People just
come on and they will just tell what these like lovely stories
about like their lives and like how much they enjoyed the
podcast and whatever and it's just like, so gratifying.
Because like sometimes like I just read the emails and I'm
like, oh, I'm not the only person who does that, and it's
like, I know that's like, literally our job, but it's
still like, really, really nice. You know what I mean?
Yeah, it's really cool crash. Do you have one eyed?
One person this person just says, hey, I think I understand
John says, hey I think I understand what interception is
but I've never heard it described just in plain English.
Can you guys talk about this on the podcast?
Yeah. Interoception hell.
Yes interception is basically your ability to figure out.
Well, I'm trying to figure out like I want to do plain English
but I also don't be like lying interception.
You can roughly think of as your ability to understand the
signals of your own. It's being able to recognize if
you're hungry, being able to recognize, if you're thirsty.
If you're tired, it can be surprisingly difficult
sometimes. Like, have you ever like thought
you were really hungry? And you're like, oh God, I'm
starving. I gotta go get a snack from the
fridge and then you drink a glass of water and you're like,
oh I was thirsty. Actually like that happens to me
all the time. So Tara section is roughly, that
is being able to understand the internal stimulus of your body.
That's fascinating to me, what number of different level, what
that you get hungry, there's all the time, especially late at
night when I get, like, munched up and I'm like, we need a
little snacky snack. Yeah, you know, I'll start like,
don't and I'll be like, all right, let me just let me drink
some water, just to make sure and I'll drink water like, nope,
that's what it was. Just thirsty.
Really weird happens. All the time, happens all the
time. Also what?
I'm tired and angry. I'm as I mix up those two a lot
because like I'll be tired and then something will happen.
And I'll be like how dare something completely reasonable
half. And right now I'm like oh, that
means I'm tired. I I get really, really angry but
when I get angry I do have actually get hangry.
I get like hang depressed. Yeah, yeah but the problem is
also like my Hunger response is broken.
And so like it's really, really hard for me to tell if I'm
hungry or if I'm tired or sad or depressed, or whatever.
And so, it's really frustrating because the only time that I'd
like actually like, oh, I'm hungry is if Like starving.
And I like need to eat. That's like the only time
because this is just like, food is like a thought.
I'm like oh yeah. And its really annoying, that's
something. I struggle a lot to you, I don't
need unless I'm fucking hungry and then you're like grumpy and
like mad and I like. And that's why I like I cry all
the time is because I'm just hungry like a little a little, a
little baby. Let's get this know.
It's true that whenever I get really frustrated and like
overwhelmed, I cry, but a lot of times I'm not a Actually crying
because I'm frustrated and overwhelmed.
I'm crying because I'm hungry. Really?
Yeah, it's like a real thing in my life like I will have like a
fucking meltdown about shit in my car and then I'll like really
like at all. Think about it.
And I'll realize like I haven't eaten for like the entire day,
but I will be like screaming and crying in my car about like
whatever like traffic or whatever and then I have to take
that step back and be like, oh it's because I've like have once
again forgotten to eat. Wow, yeah, that's why I cry so
much. Oh, well Bob's just, you know,
now when you're crying I'm going to insist on feeding you and
that is not me saying, oh, the only reason this is happening is
I'm not D valid invalidating. I'm not saying oh, you're just
hungry. That's what I'm just trying to
make sure that they're, you know, if there is any component
part of it that has to do with Hunger than we're taking care of
that. So if I ever feed you, when
you're crying, it's not because I'm listener is a plan coming to
fruition. You're at this whole thing I can
assure you, I do I know you were close to the life just being a
shithead and thank you for talking quietly when you're
close to the mic. So I have to add it too much.
It was a secret. Yeah.
See, the joke Eric was that I said that so you would feed me
more often. Yes, I got it.
I got Larry's. I like feeding.
Well, I'm humor. I enjoy it.
I also it's funny to an insanely good cook.
So it's also weird like the the association's that can come from
troubles with interoception. Like I have a hard time
realizing that I'm hungry until I am.
Like really hungry, not feeling like when you walk up the stairs
and what you like your muscles are burning and you're like
Jesus my that out of shape or oh I haven't eaten in 30 hours or
something. Like often days.
I don't eat until then. Yeah.
And so then the only time I eat during a day, when I finally do
eat, it's right before bed. So I'll eat and then go to bed.
So now after like years of that my brain is so C8 seating with
going to bed. So like even if I eat like a
reasonable light meal in the middle of the day, like a real
sleep immediately afterwards, I'm like, all right.
Time to take a big old fat nap you know what, you know.
But not like not just like Food Co me but like any amount of
food my body is like, all right, Time to take a nap.
And so now what I'm when I do realize, I'm hungry during the
day I'm like nervous I'm like I'll fuck like, I've noticed,
I'm hungry I should eat but I know if I do right then I'm just
going to be in, not be sleepy time mode and I got other stuff
to do. So then you put off eating.
So then I grew up eating sleeping.
Exactly. So it was like accidental at
first and now sometimes I don't know if deliberate is the word
but like sometimes. Well no.
Yeah deliberate. Sometimes I do deliberately put
off eating because at least until I'm like done with work
for the day soda. Not like it's not like 2:00 and
I'm like, all right whatever. I mean, although I do totally
take naps. I'm looking for a word that I
can find it. It's driving me like to say
Bonkers. Yeah, because I want to ask you
a question, but it's fine also. I can cut in between questions
by the way. So if we just want to get it
clean, So so I was and I was honestly, I was going to go off
on a little tangent about it. The reception because I think is
really interesting. Yeah, sure that's fine.
No, I mean so I just really interested because like, we can
do more questions as but like are there.
Other places where interception like weirdness, like shows up in
your life? Almost certainly?
I mean, I think the the weirdest part about it is that it's
really hard to notice. Yeah, cuz it's your own, it's
all internal. It's all your own.
Um, brain risk. Like trying to decode your own
internal signal. Yeah.
And so, like I think tiredness and depression and tiredness and
anger, definitely sometimes when I think I'm really depressed,
well, sometimes when I'm tired, I'll assume it's depression and
then actually get depressed because all I will have just,
you know, willed myself into depression.
I think that's definitely the case thirst and hunger.
Oftentimes, I can't tell if I'm thirsty or if I'm hungry.
So I just have to do both. I'm just going to say it.
What? I just want to talk about it.
Eric, yeah. What podcast is my podcast
complete company. What do you got?
Forget to pee all the time. You I forgot to pee all the
time. I never know if I have to pee.
It's the weirdest thing that's why I like that's why I like
kabbalists why Always announce it like it's true.
Going to be noticed that the reason why the reason why I do
it is because like I'm like reminding myself that like
that's what that feels like because I Just forget, I just
forget to pee all the time because I don't think about it
and also because I like never drink water.
And so I'm always just walk around like a little
shriveled-up raised and Gremlin but like it's like a whole thing
of my life as I want. Well, constantly forget to Let's
that's training urination and we'll peeing.
And in my HD, my earliest memory that I can think of where I was
like, oh, that was definitely ADHD but I didn't know it at the
time. What?
I probably told a story in the podcast before, but it was
second grade I was doing bullshit homework, where they
just had us write the same Word. I remember specifically because
I complained about it it was 20 words.
Way to write 20 words, three times each of those 60 words and
for that. And for me, that was a lot at
the time. Anyways, I had to sit down and
write these were there. And I was like, this is the most
pointless fucking God. Yeah.
But anyways, I was sitting down trying to do it and I couldn't
sit still. So, I went up and I went to the
bathroom like actually went to bathroom and I came back and sat
down and as soon as I looked at the worksheet again and like
start working again, I was like, oh I still have to go to the
bathroom and then I would go and be like I wouldn't have to go
and then I would sit back down and be like, uh, Every time I
sat down to work, I thought I had to go to the bathroom.
My brain was like time to go to the bathroom.
Like oh my God. And so I told my mom, I was
like, Mom. I don't know what's up but like,
I constantly every time I sit down or like, I constantly feel
like I have to pee and my mom was like, huh?
And this was there like thing to tell if I was being really
serious. Now they're like oh we should go
to the doctor, you know, because I had to go to the doctor.
He likes go to the doctor so then it was that was like,
they're calling me out and I was like, no, it's probably fine,
it's probably fun and I don't know what the fuck I had.
Finishing the worksheet or not, maybe I didn't, but either way
like that, my ADHD trying to get me to get up, was just searching
for any excuse to get up. And so I Associated that feeling
with having to pee because that likes, it's surely, that's good.
That's the only possible reason that I would need to get out of
the chair right now. Those weird second grade, I am
really interested in this is like we need to get somebody
more qualified than us to come on and talk to us about this.
But I'm also like really interested in like the
combination of like interception.
And like alexithymia, which was the word I couldn't remember,
which is like struggling to recognize like emotions, like,
what emotions you're feeling but the problem is, is that Eric,
Eric, Eric so much that shit is connected for me, that's like
really frustrating because I never, I like I'm in therapy,
we're doing fine. But like I struggle with that so
much, and I think part of it is because like, I'm constantly
going between ideas and not necessarily the emotions.
And so, it's like, if I'm sad, I'm sad.
But my brain is also going like, oh, you're sad, like, what can
we do to fix it? Is there a problem?
Like, what can you do? It looks such a No-No.
And so I've never actually like processing the sad, I'm just
thinking about the solutions. Like sad or whatever, but also
like all we're doing a video podcast.
Haha. No.
So you can show stuff. Oh, nice.
But like when I got this it was like a joke, right?
What is it for those who are not watching?
I got a giant pillow, but it's a feelings.
Will pillow. But the thing is, is that, like,
I got this kind of as a joke because I was, like, that's a,
that's arguably, like a really fun thing to have, like, in my
office and I was like, okay, this fight.
But then I realized that like, you know, at the very like
center of it, they've got Got sadness, surprise, Joy, love,
fear and anger. And I think it's yes.
The same on both sides. I don't even have those.
I don't even have those like my like center of my feelings
wheel. Is like, sad or happy, and that
is like it. There's like, no, that's it.
There's no other like Nuance to it and then half the time, it's
like I'm hungry or I'm sleepy. Or I haven't had enough water or
I have to pee or what? I like.
I have no idea what is happening. 90% of the time, huh?
And you attribute that to the fact that you're thinking your
feelings. I think I don't like I really, I
don't know why I have, we haven't gotten there and there
because it's like, you know, it's such a problem in my life,
huh? That's I mean, I don't want to
say, like, I agree, it's totally a problem.
But like yeah, I can. Now I can see that.
Absolutely. But, you know, it's like okay.
Like you got all these like, the little, the little small ones,
right? It's like okay, you've got well.
So first off again, to anybody not watching this, a feelings
wheel is in the very center there are like Over six very
broad emotion, anger sadness, whatever right?
Then each of those like it moves out in the wheel and that is
subdivided into like three different things.
Like maybe anger is frustration or whatever and then on the very
outside are each of those is subdivided into a couple more so
those are like the most specific Susie.
Like I have you once like joy and like this is like just a
feelings. Well like there's a lot of
different versions that are fundamentally the same but so is
like joy and the joy expands into like enthralled Elation
enthusiastic optimistic. Proud cheerful.
And then to I can't read because it's yellow on white, you know?
And then like, that's like, so that's like the, like the
smaller ones. And then, like the smallest.
Smallest ones are like Rapture and chanted, Jubilation,
euphoric Zeal again. I guess excited.
Hopefully eager illustrious triumphant.
That's cool jovial. What?
I'm just like, bitch, I barely know if I'm happy.
What are you talking about? What are you doing?
It's weird, it's weird and it's just for me, I just I spent a
lot of Of time thinking about like how much it is connected to
just my absolute lack of awareness when it comes to like,
what is going on in my body at all times?
Well, I mean, I've often it was a very clarifying thing to me
when I first thought this and there's definitely argument
against this, you know. I'm not saying this is capital T
true. But I think, I think this often
that very often time, our thoughts are just Our words
layered over emotion. So I think emotions without
words is one of the healthiest things on, if you can feel an
emotion without actively thinking in your head, what the
fuck are you? Then you just have the pure
emotion because words are not meant for emotions necessarily.
Like we use words to think, logically and critically and all
that stuff, but emotions are just these big blobs that exist
in our nervous system and those blobs are part of us.
And so, they turn into language. And then we start thinking about
Out, the reason I feel this way is because I'm a huge piece of
shit and my parents never loved me and all this weird shit and
it's like, just let the feeling be the feeling.
You don't need to two-layer thoughts, and I'm not saying
that's easy to do, it's not like realizing that or thinking that
suddenly solves everything, but that was a huge moment in my
life when I started realizing that I thought everything.
Everything I felt. I thought my depression was a
train of thought, but really after a while, after I got
better at, like, not thinking out loud in my head, I realized
No, no depression is like a weird sludgy feeling in my
throat and a tingly feeling in my arms and like it has all
these other characteristics that are much simpler than all the
webs that we spin in our head because it gets fucking
confusing up there. Once we start, putting words in
it, that's all made up and I reject all of that.
Thank you. I mean, is all made up.
You can totally disagree white. How do you just feel things?
Awesome, music. Dude, there was an episode.
What not real? How did like I don't believe
you. Do you challenge?
You believe that certain people don't?
Have an internal monologue or can turn off, turn turn around
that. I'm aware that certain people
don't like the way that like, I can't picture it.
I'm not talking about, I don't mean they're incapable of.
I mean, they have an internal monologue and then they can stop
it. That's awesome.
And have it. Just be quiet in there
challenge. I stole.
I mean, people have claimed. It is true.
Yeah. You just be like now, we're
going to be quiet. There's a lot of practice, but
yeah. What.
Well, there's there's an episode of Dragon Ball Z.
Yes. Oh, yeah.
Here we go. The scientific resources.
It's good to learn from everywhere.
Take your wisdom, wherever it is.
But I was a kid. I was probably 9 or 10 and as an
episode of Dragon Ball Z, where Gohan, who's like this, you
know, he's a kid is walking into like the Hall of the terrifying
demon thing and it's sort of a Ghostbuster situation where
whatever the person is thinking about at that time is going to
be their demise. So it's like exactly a
Ghostbusters thing actually. So, anyways, Gohan, walks in and
the demons like, ripped it up, but it like, whatever you're
thinking about now is Today unlike has on like does it and
nothing happens and Gohan's, just like looking at him like
confused or whatever, just looking at them and the demon
goes, there's AA and then still nothing happens.
And the demon thing is like, what far?
And then it like stares at him and goes, there's nothing going
on in your head. Like there's you're not thinking
about anything you're not like you're just watching me and
that's it and at the time, well first off that blew my fucking
mind and at the time I was like, oh, go hannes fuck.
Stupid. That's what I thought it was
like, oh God, I'm so stupid that this thing couldn't conjure up,
his thoughts to kill him, but then I was like, no, no.
Like this guy is a martial arts master.
Like, he, meditates he fucking practices mindfulness and shit.
What we now call mindfulness, like he is nothing going on in
his head because he has nothing to think about what?
He's just existing in that moment.
What do you even do? What, what do you mean, do?
I know? That's, that's the, nope, moving
on. Well here, it's quite alright.
Alright, just because you're uncomfortable.
All right and I want I want to with your consent.
Can I can I plug into this a little bit?
I know. So when I started thinking about
mindfulness and like look reading up on it, the best
method for me to turn off my internal monologue, which for
one, you can't turn off in that you like force it to turn off,
right? You can't just go stop thinking.
It's like, don't think about an elephant, you know, it's great
doesn't work that way but the way that I get into it is
wherever I am whatever I'm doing.
I'll listen, I start with Listening.
I listen to the sounds that are going on around me, whatever
they are rustling, trees cars going by my computer fan,
whatever it is, but listen to it non-judgmentally.
Don't think about whether or not you like it, or don't like it.
Don't think about whether you would, you could, you know, you
would stop it. If you could just completely
matter-of-factly, just acknowledge that, that's what
you're hearing. And just listen.
I'm going to being quiet. So you dear listener can do
that. Hold on.
Quite quite quite It's hard to not have opinions on what you're
hearing, right? But practice doing that.
Just have no opinion. Just matter-of-factly.
Listen to it, then realize that you can listen to your thoughts
in the same way. So, just like the cars going by
are just coincidental there. I don't like them, or just like
them. They're just, what's happening.
So, two are your thoughts, as you think things a lot of the
time unless you're solving a math problem but like the
chatter in our head is at and W would say or Alan Watts would
say like that stuff just kind of happens through habit and often
it's Inconsequential it's just our brain doesn't know how to
stop thinking so much as fucking has to all the time and we get
really bogged down in what our brain says in those moments.
And so it's good to be able to remember that a lot of times,
your car, your thoughts are just like cards cars.
Going by like they're just happening, you're not the
thought you're not the car. Like the cars are something a
piece of stimulus that you're making for yourself.
So if you find yourself thinking while you're doing that of
course you are. It's okay but don't surrender to
it. You will aren't the The thought
is just a little thing flying by and they'll go away and another
one will come along. Anyways, I know you hate me
right now but it's because, you know, on some level.
I'm right. It's because I already am
thinking about the computer fan and the cars driving by and the
fucking desk moving and the chair clicking, I'm already
thinking about that. Anyway.
Why do I have to pay more attention to it?
It's boring, well, no, because you're see it's boring.
That's the thing. Let's you're not happy with the
fact that you're getting those things.
The point is to listen to them and just have no.
And this isn't Thing to do, while you're doing something
else. This is what I'm going to do
when you're not doing anything. So now, when you're recording a
podcast, but like it's, when you're just sitting there, which
I doubt you ever really do anyways.
No, I don't either. I'm not saying you're wrong for
doing. I'm criticizing myself to my
copious amounts of free time where I can sit and listen to
the computer fan. Not feel any feelings about it,
but I mean, I feel your frustration because it sounds
it's frustrating when somebody is obnoxious and right, it's
really fucking frustrating. I really is and like, usually
both The same time, thanks very much.
Ah, shit, I will take that, but like somebody explaining
something, like, what? I just explained.
It's fucking obnoxious. It's like, got like that.
So, he's like how dare you trivialize?
My, my thoughts, my thoughts shall be cast in stone for.
I am a unique. My thoughts are important.
Like, I'm sorry, but most of your thoughts are not important
to know who the fuck you I do. Carry.
Most of your thoughts are not important.
Most of them are just happening because the Habit that you do is
just think all the time. Sorry but it's true.
Most of my thoughts aren't fucking bored.
So if anybody wants to buy Eric's mindfulness self-help
tapes, it's entitled your thoughts are important.
Most of your thoughts worried about their an important.
It is available for 17, easy payments of 1999.
The venmo Jesus Christ, the kickstarter.
We're gonna start a Kickstarter for self-help, tapeworms just
Eric, like, kind of yelling at you a little slut.
Kind of yelling you but like, well, that's the feeling that I
feel when I hear stuff like that is, like, how dare you
trivialize the it? Because human, he had
experiences trivializing it though, but the language can
sound that way. I don't think you think I am but
the language can sound that. I see, I see real thing and like
The Human Experience is like Vivid and harsh and exciting and
like all the sorts of stuff. Shout out Mary Oliver but in to
hear somebody say like, You know just stop like you're not going
to die. If you don't have the thoughts
that you're going to have for the next 10 minutes, it's kind
of anchoring. It's like well fuck you like
because I mean I have a lot of fun thinking thinking is very
fun for me. A lot of the times but a lot of
the times I'm just doing it because I don't know, just
talking to myself, chatter in the brain is Allen Watts was
saying, I was talking about this on my Twitter stream the other
day, but I still think this is really funny and I want to talk
about it. What you got, what you.
So I was talking about how sometimes like I'll just I do
like the opposite of mindfulness.
It's like, I don't know if there's like mindlessness, I
don't know. Mind emptiness, I don't know.
But like, I'll do this thing where sometimes I'll just start
thinking about a topic. And then it's almost sort of
like, a, like, an idea web or like, just like a, you know,
like what's it called? When you just like throw ideas
out sociation? Yeah.
Like free association. So it was like, doing the
phraseology is because it's fun, right?
No, that's like really cool. Okay?
I'm thinking about, like I was specifically thinking about
parking at the Globe Theater. Theater in the 1600s because it
was like a whole thing with like parking made.
A lot of parking problems with the Globe Theater which I think
is really funny. But anyway is because there is a
law school like right next to like where the globe was and so
all the rich lawyers students would come and they would bring
their carriages and take up all the parking and so that all the
rich people Eddie it does is like a whole.
That's interesting. I know, right?
It was thinking of letting those times where he's having
Municipal problems. Well, here's the okay.
And okay, you know what, this is a better story than what I was
going to say, but so somebody wrote a research paper on it,
but they to get this. But they what they really wanted
to talk about was they wanted to talk about like how many
carriages could have? Like literally like how many
parking spaces were like Around the Globe, Theater is just like
a question. They want to answer and so sorry
this is this was recent or this was at the time that this is
like this is like in the 2000. Okay.
And so there's like this grad student who was like, working on
this paper about parking at the club.
And there is in London, there is one, there is one Carriage.
There's one extant Carriage from that specific like year It still
exists and it was like a very sort of popular like make and
model. You know, it's like your Toyota
Corolla or whatever and there's one that exists and it exists at
the Archbishop of canterbury's, like dwelling like where every
state I believe State, I believe if that's your title then it's
called Misty. So, so this fucking kid called
the Archbishop of canterbury's office.
I was like, hello, can I speak to the Archbishop of Canterbury?
And they're like, sure, fam. So they put the Archbishop of
Canterbury on the And and this kid like explains like stood he
was a case like in grad school. But so student proceeds to
explain to the Archbishop of Canterbury that he's like
wanting to figure out this like problem about the carriages and
the Archbishop of Canterbury literally goes like say no more
fam and he like went and he got like a measuring tape out of
like the Janitor's. Closet personally measured.
Well personally measured the carriage for this guy so he
could like get the right measurements and then the only
reason This story exists. The only reason why the story is
now known was because he went to his dissertation committee and
he was like, I have a source but I don't know how to quote it and
they're like, well, what's the source?
She's like, well, the Archbishop of Canterbury and they're like,
okay. Well like what book?
He's like, no, I called like what are you talking about?
He's like, yeah, I called the Archbishop of Canterbury and got
these measurements and so I don't know how to cite that in
my in my dissertation and it's committee was like, I'm sorry
you fucking call the Archbishop were, you did white?
And he was like, yeah, it's Nice.
That's it that's the whole story but aren't you happy that, you
know that. Yeah.
One time the Archbishop of Canterbury measured a carriage
to help a kid with his homework. That's inspiring.
It's like when you email somebody you think is like to
important right to respond. And then they do and you're like
whoa like when fucking reads Goodman was on the podcast, it's
like, no way. But you know, I think we're
gonna like that story. I think there's equipment would
very much like that story. Absolutely.
What what, how much time do we have?
I messed with good Ben. That's right.
I was about to make a whole podcast about We're about done
here. We're just just about 30 doesn't
matter. No, no.
Please sweetheart was weird, seeking a half hour.
It's okay. Doesn't matter Leslie.
A cliffhanger for next week. Come back next Tuesday for free
association and directors commentary.
Yeah well I also I wanted to clarify because I tend to do
this or qualify maybe this is a qualification, I don't know, but
I'm not saying all thoughts are bad and you're wrong for
thinking or any of that stuff, you know, I just think, well I'm
not talking I'm talking to this to do listeners.
I'm just Angered a lot of times we think just out of habit.
It's not because we're doing it intentionally.
If you intend, if you're like, fuck you, I like thinking all
the time then fucking great, you know, but I think we often think
more than we intend to out of habit and that's worth
addressing. I are just gonna continually
give you fun stories about the Archbishop of Canterbury to
avoid having to talk about feeling my feelings.
Ha, ha. I tricked you.
Oh, you did that. You did trick me this time.
Wow. Did you with a delightful story
about carriages? And when you got me with the
time I did, oh, he were Saved by the Bell and the carriage and
the Archbishop of Canterbury, it's like if we just see call
him right now, she called me, I think about it.
This is not we it's I really think that next year like around
Thanksgiving, we should make a series of calling the Butterball
hot line. Oh, yeah.
And like being very like, like open about it.
Be like we're doing a podcast where we just want to talk to
everybody works for the Butterball hot line.
Can you answer these three questions, Frozen, just S3 like
very specific questions but I think it'd be really fun series.
That would be Fun. Yeah, I'll be fine.
Yeah, what it? What three questions you have in
mind? I don't know.
I say, like first off, how did you get this job?
What's the weirdest question you've ever been asked?
And what's your best case of like I was thinking?
Like if you could talk to your five-year-old self, what would
you say? Oh that's so deep.
Yeah, oh yeah. I want to, I want to, I want to
break these Butterball. Hot line, people tears.
I want to thank Eric is making these like 60 year old
grandmother's cry for Thanksgiving.
Fucking monster. You feel that you said
everything. You wished you had to your
father she's it's cool right? Jesus sorry I was wrong with
you. Anyway stay tuned for the
patreon song. Well, everybody that's it.
That's the end of the episode. Yeah.
Also Eric, we changed how we started recording.
And now we're also changing Howard during the pinot.
And it's, I just think it's very different.
It is very different, a monk. It's okay, we're doing you're
doing fine. You're doing great.
You're doing right? Okay.
So, hey, everybody. Well God, I just hope that I'm
so uncomfortable. I'm usually so it's okay.
I'll take all day. Well, hi everybody.
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with that. That was the weirdest thing I've
ever said. It doesn't matter what you do,
you still get your name in a song?
That's what I was trying to say. That's why I was trying to say,
but I messed up because I'm not on.
That side, I'm still weirded out.
That's okay. But here's the sorry.
Erica die. We sit down and we practice the
songs. Yeah, we write meticulously good
lyrics are like a plume. With a feather quill, we only
write it on actual Vellum, and then we show it to, like,
salieri and you like drops it on the floor.
The Archbishop of Canterbury for his Blessing.
As many ways, it goes a little something like this.
I mean, I was, I was gonna do that.
This week, we have a few new patrons to thank, but I can't
thank them because Eric is laughing.
I am, if you're watching the video version which maybe we'll
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If you get that joke, then you are an OG podcast listener.
That was so nice. And if you're watching the
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and it's somehow communicated. What note?
We were gonna sing exactly what we were going to say.
What? People are gonna start?
That was brilliant. Katie.
Oh my God, it's like jazz baby, jazz jazz feels feel like
fucking Bill Evans and Miles Davis right here.
I call Bill Evans, cool. Can I be big spider web, Sure.
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