Hello and welcome to episode 3 of Katie, and Eric's infinite
Quest, an ADHD Adventure. Thank you so much for joining us
today. We are joined by special guest a
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Tick, Tock that required. A lot of clarification.
She's an awesome Tick-Tock, Creator and ADHD Advocate.
She's got blue hair. She's from Canada, she's great.
We talk about houses, we talk about hippos, we talk about
house hippos, Talk about the gut microbiome.
I kind of feel like this is like the first real episode, you
know, Katie and I just got new Mike's.
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Much Ado About Nothing, you're welcome.
Katie, here's the show. Welcome to our super
professional podcast. We're so glad you came Carly.
Okay. So how to do a science good?
How about I do a science? Good with ADHD, Eric, we have to
do the same. Okay, and also don't, come on,
we'll have that on for days. Thanks, Katie.
That this is a perfectly fine clap.
Fuck you fine. That's fine.
Okay. It's spiked on mine was like
that's fine. Maybe it's just maybe it's just
the fact that I'm bad at stuff in general.
Alright, I am going to fullscreen this or don't get
distracted. It's very I'm gonna just stop.
I guess it's helping kind of, oh, do you want to do you want
to set the timer or should I have a timer going?
Or what's up? Oh, I'll run time if you want.
That's fine. Stage manager, Casey definitely
your department. Okay, I'm sending her the thing
and then we wait and then I can click.
My pain is going to pick up in my fancy new microphone.
I just realized I can't touch anything this whole time or it's
going to pick up. No I'm very stressed know you
dude you can't. I can anyway we can cut it out.
Doesn't matter at all. Oh wait.
I feel like just the been the whole time we're just gonna be
like. Yeah, you can be like clicky,
clicky cotton quilt behind me. I need to figure out.
I'm gonna fiddle with them. Reminds me, I need like silent.
All this is quiet. I've got this little hook.
Yeah, this is. This is really quiet.
I can just play with us. I'm still so mad that I didn't
know that there were fucking fidget toys for picking until
literally yesterday. Oh yeah.
You made a video about that but it will sure she did.
His podcast were content. We're wasting here.
We're recording podcast the pot bro.
Yeah we are in the podcast right now.
I forgot we were I forgot. I just pressed all those
buttons. Haha.
I was like, no, no, the content. I can see it slipping away.
Welcome to Katie and Eric's infinite Quest.
That's the opener. Like we just made the opener for
no I just forgot. I clicked all those buttons.
Save it for the podcast while we talk hoarding the goddamn
podcast. I have to figure out what I'm
gonna do with. And gosh, my computer fan is, so
loud gonna be able to write? Yeah, my computer might like,
that's why I have to get a new laptop because I'm pretty sure
that my computer is about to explode, like, it's so bad.
Don't act like you're taking it apart.
And I've like cleaned out the fan and I like clean out all the
dust and whatever. But it's just like It's just out
of class legs. It's that great.
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stuck in my head by the way. Oh I got I'm sending it to Carly
on Discord because this is headphones, are squishing my
glasses into my ears and now my ears hurt.
My name's Katie really Bissell hard.
I have sensory processing difficulties you asshole.
Whoo. Okay, so my God, my senses, my
senses are, oh my God, my computer fan, man, I'm freaking
out about my computer fan. Mine mine is going to be in the
background of my like I've just asked for this.
These are all problems. These are problems.
That people are going to enjoy watching us.
It's time. I mean just the the also that my
my stool doesn't have a back. And so I just squirm for the
entire like that's all I do. I just score.
Oh Kitty. Shut up.
Carly. Carly is in the I'm sorry, Carl.
He's in the waiting room. Okay.
Great. I'm about to like Carly and I'm
excited and I'm nervous and it's gonna be great.
I'm going to be so good. It's gonna be just just take a
deep breath is gonna be so good. Podcast, episode, 30, cast
episode 3. Here we go.
Carly! Hi!
Hello! Hi I really didn't think we're
gonna pull it off. Instead of my big floppy
headphones because I was like, Katie and I can't both be
wearing big floppy headphones and be like, big floppy
headphones. You can put them on if you want.
It's up to you, they might be worse.
They're very old. It was back in my do, today's,
when I would play online game, you have to do, whatever makes
you feel comfortable. That's what you should do.
Well liked in, this looks very fancy from the front but what
you can't see is the literal Korean face mask.
That is propped up against the boom to make it not move.
Like I'm not a fancy person very professional.
Did you say Korean face mask? Yeah, it's don't move it.
Your full thing's gonna fall. No, I have to this isn't Amateur
hour. I have a backup Korean very fast
to hold my microphone. Boom in place.
Eric, everybody send send Katie more Korean face masks.
She needs, I love Korean face mask.
Only has two. E's.
Is there a difference between Korean face?
Smith, what makes? I don't know, but they're like a
hole there, like a whole Beauty Trend.
And and one of my friends, like got me an Ipsy bag for
Christmas. And if C is just like Korean
face, best, Korean face, best Korean fit.
Like it's just like they always put one in there.
I had imagined us from Ipsy. I guess they're probably Korean.
Yeah, I don't know. It's like it's like a whole,
it's a whole genre, beauty product.
I feel like I should educate myself more on.
What is the difference between a regular face mask and a Korean
Won? But I don't know.
Apparently, they're really popular.
What with the Beauty influencers on the YouTube, but she the
beauty gurus, pretty gurus. Oh, and please please, please do
keep talking about Brands. Oh yeah.
Please keep talking about Brands like, that's yeah.
Sweet. Sponsorship money?
Yeah, it's probably around the, the topic of ADHD Carly.
What shampoo do you use? Just weird question.
I don't have just look your shoulders.
Your hair does look quite nice and are our constant search for
sponsorships is just does awkwardly shoot like morning in
like terrible like That was going to be really funny and
then, I forgot how to talk. It's fine.
It's gonna be on my gravestone, that was gonna be so funny.
I use no shampoo and I'm like, famous for my hair because my
hair is awesome. You had tried to know.
I tried the no poo method. I couldn't, I couldn't manage
it. I could, I got, I got to like,
two weeks and I was like, it's still so Gracie.
Yeah. Excuse me.
Explain, explain this the words
that just came out of your mouth?
Well, I for one. I was when you said I tried the
no poo method, I was going to say I was going to say have you
tried prune juice but then he used the word greasy and it kind
of broke the bit down. So but I wanted you to know.
I had something for that. I hate that.
I hate everything. About what you just said.
It's a poop joke. It's a poop joke or seven
minutes and it's a poop joke. So Carly.
Hey thanks for being here. In our super serious and
professional podcast. We thank you for having me.
Oh yeah, that's right. We should probably do that kind
of stuff. Oh, by the way so your your
Tic-Tac name is eight Capital. ADH lowercase, a capital D ult.
Correct. You got it ath adult adult.
So it's okay. So it is a th adult.
Yeah. Is that how we like?
People should refer to you ath adult or ADHD?
Adult II mean? I don't really care.
But it's stealthy th adult and that's how I have been saying it
a th adult. I'm not mad.
Okay, so I'm writing that down for the, for the, for the intro
part. Because excited about we're like
Katie Katie came. So I was like, Katie Katie and I
were like, alright, lets me. Let's, let's join a little bit
early to make sure we're not going to destroy all this and
Katie. It seems like you wanted to
record the intro, right then, which is where I was pretty well
because it was like, because a lot of times when like, because
I go on a lot of podcasts and I talked about Shakespeare, right?
And so my name's Angela:, So fancy.
I'm so fancy sexy sex stories. I was well.
And like, and actually, I was totally copying.
Sunny like that was like that, literally, I was copying Sunny
Megatron in that moment. Because that's what they like.
Because they record something like before she is something
that like she didn't say, while we were talking, but then she
was also like, hi. This is study Megatron.
This is American sex tonight. Today we have Katie were excited
and I was like, hi, everybody. And then the podcast started, I
thought that was a good idea. Now, you're making fun of me for
it. So I'm so if conscious good,
good artists borrow great artists steal.
Katie. Remember oh Carly, how are you?
How are you? I am great today.
I'm so excited to be here. This it's whelmed all of my
stresses and I'm just like fun things.
Finally, yay, I like your Christmas lights.
Oh, thanks. It's because this room doesn't
have an overhead light. So we hung up some Christmas
lights in, you know, classic student roommate fashion.
Nice. That's, that's, that's a way of
life in my household because I hate overhead lighting.
So, now, I get it. I get it Christmas lights, were
like no, Katie. No, no, please Katie.
Do you got, I was going to talk about the I could I went to a
really fancy boarding school, that's what I was gonna.
But no, no, there'll be plenty of Christmas lights in the in
where that we're Christmas lights allowed in the Ravenclaw
common room. So I need to read more things in
become more versed in Harry Potter.
So I can destroy joke opportunities like that one.
But today, I'll watch them go by.
No Christmas lights were the best way to let your dorm room.
Everybody wanted to have the dorm room.
At everybody hung out in, like, after hours and stuff, and it
took a little while to notice that it was Christmas lights.
That was the secret the way that Christmas lights lit.
The room just like subconsciously made.
Everybody want to go there and then you'd have the cool hangout
room that are also that or level a if it was 50 years ago.
Yes, I've never owned a lavalier.
I've had one growing up. I was clearly very cool.
Clearly clearly don't ask anyone for my childhood.
To corroborate that I mean I think they like there's like a
special kind of cool that you have when you are ADHD like
that. I genuinely think like there's
like a special brand of cool that you find but it's like it's
not a childhood cool like you're not cool when you're a child but
it's like somewhere around like age like 20 you're like okay
yeah yeah yeah okay alright I'm peeking I'm peeking like that's
that's I genuinely Yuan Li feel that way.
I feel like I'm so not cool for so long and then all of the
sudden in like the mid, you know, 20 2010's.
Everybody Started Loving LeVar Burton and I was like, haha,
Vindication. Yes, dating rainbow is cool.
Wow. How does LeVar Burton connect
to? You becoming cool because when I
was a kid, I used to get mercilessly made fun of for
liking Reading Rainbow and I fucking loved Reading Rainbow.
I fucking love. Ring Rainbow like one of my
goals in life is to meet LeVar Burton and I was like, I really
like LeVar Burton and, and Reading Rainbow and then, like
Now Reading Rainbow is cool. And everybody's like, yeah,
LeVar Burton like he's a cool guy.
He does Reading Rainbow and I'm like, fuck.
Do you think I don't know? I think maybe.
I think maybe it might be. But yeah.
Like it's so now like everybody's like, hit to Levar
Burton and I was like, bitch, I knew I knew I was I was early on
that train and spine also just like General nerdery has become
cool. Now like yeah, interests and be
into like D&D and Magic Gathering, and like, stuff like
that. Now, it was.
So, what are your, what are your fandoms?
What are, what is the things that you like?
Oh, man, currently or like, throughout my life because it
changes a lot. I mean, just, you know, which
which ever you can give us the broad overview or the daily
update. It's fine either way.
Yeah, so, I mean, like I played D&D and Magic the Gathering 11,
High School. I still, I kept a couple MTG
decks. For some of my friends and still
play, we play every now and then, but I don't gonna like
Friday Night Magic anymore because I'm not like a teenager
with like disposable income to just pour into that friggin
expensive game. Yeah.
And just I for a while, I was obsessed with Dota 2 playing
that awful off. What is dota stand for?
Yeah. What is that?
Okay. What it, what is that?
Tell us about that? I don't know.
That isn't all heard of League of Legends.
Okay. Yes yeah.
So it's like the main competitor for LOL.
Ok. Ok lol be toxic communities.
They're just got us through that absolutely toxic online
community. It's a, it's yeah.
From what I've heard, it's not it's not the best thing but I'm
bad at online games so I don't I don't you know you I trust your
opinion. You know more than me my brother
please so it's just fucking watch it.
Okay, my brother plays, what? Okay you guys are talking shit
about. Out my brother here.
So online game, my brother is on my game.
Yes, my brother online game TM that's him.
I was also experimenting with how quiet I can do kind of like
subtly because it works over here, but it doesn't work over
here. We're going to come because it
doesn't work at all. It doesn't work.
Fuck. That's the whole that's a whole
element of Comedy Wheatley interrupting the wolf, a nice
super awkward. That's why I do.
I'm the Loose Cannon, baby. I'm the I'm the wild card.
That's what I do. Oh God, there's so much.
The fuck? Are you talking about?
Okay, so we're going to take that back, we're going to cut
all of that out. We're gonna pretend like that
never fucking happen. Eric by the end of this is just
going to be Katie's infinite Quest, reward act.
My name is all the. Every once in a while have
something useful to say in the rest will just be me holding
back burps and farts and less of you in every episode wear a red
shirt every time. So when you kill me off and make
sense, The red shirt stop being the people that were easily
killed. And in fact, they had it of more
modicum of protection because they were, oh, this is the first
time this has happened. No, no, okay, Katie cut out.
I did Katie boba tea. Wait am I?
So let's let's just let that figure this thing out.
What? Hey you're back you guys froze.
Just a drop o my internet. Canadian connection is unstable.
I don't know. Well, that's what happens when
you start talking shit about me. You have I know.
I was like I actually might go see I'm a minute that's long
enough, but let me let me go. Carly Eric cover cover for me.
Jesus Christ. I drank coffee today?
Like normally I take, I like, I either take my met while I
always take my meds. But then, like if I drink coffee
as well, I have to like you like okay now I'm drinking coffee.
So be careful. Like I have to drink one cup
over the course of a day but today I didn't because I was
doing podcast stuff and I was like I'm gonna drink all of this
thing now and now I'm making Katie's life, very difficult,
which is my favorite thing to do.
Ever. So it's not top number 2 of T.
So, cat Cup O tea. Do you feel so what it's sort of
a chicken or the egg question? Do you feel better than
everybody else? And then say, Oh, I drink tea or
do you drink tea? And then feel better than
everybody else which is it, how does it work kind of General?
I'm just obsessed with tea that, I don't know.
I think it's, I think it's a Canadian company, so don't think
that you guys have it there. But speaking of sponsorships
David's Tea is just like the best David's Tea.
I think it's Canadian. Yeah.
But like, they have just like fancy teas with, like, like this
one has coffee beans in it. It's a tea that has coffee beans
and Candy pineapple and like a bunch of stuff and somehow all
of the weird combination things make it taste like a vanilla
cappuccino. No, but it's t Jesus.
If only if only the 4,000 years of the years ago, Chinese
culture could see us. Now, like if you taste like a
frappe a frappuccino, its components, how many work
concentration of coffee, beans can a tea mixture have before it
becomes, I guess 50/50. Well, yeah.
Oh my God, lets do 50/50. Let's make a 50-50 brand, it'll
be called half and half and we'll sell that.
It'll be tea coffee, it'll be toffee sauce used to participate
in whatever, Abomination, know watching a friend and I'm out
tiki-taka everybody. We're gonna we're gonna do have
a softie. Do you hate to choose between
tea and coffee? Do we have news for you?
We got wine drunken invented, cock to you too.
Kate, Siri in the afternoon for you, or you okay your wine
drunk. No, no, that's cool.
Hitting your teeth are right? Come on.
All right, jokes on you. I hate red wine.
Ha ha ha. You'll never catch me.
So the good news is that I found an ethernet cable, the bad news
of just like two feet long. So it serves us, no purpose, but
I didn't bring it down as it hilarious prop.
That's comedy. Yeah, podcasts are great for
visual comedy. I love, I love a good visual bit
and a podcast. It was a blue ethernet cable
just for further. So, the joke was that I held You
swing it on it it was really cool.
Is like some Errol Flynn shit. But you have to although I
suppose it is going to be on YouTube to so technically
speaking. Yeah, it's and I could work, I'd
probably over thought that bit so Carly.
You have three degrees to bachelor's and a master's.
Is that correct? It's so fancy.
I know you told me before, what are they So my first ones, one
was a Bachelors of Science in neuroscience and mental health
and then the second one was a master's in neuroscience and
then I completely changed my mind.
And what I wanted to do because I was going down like the
research path and then found out that research wasn't for me and
decided. I want to be a psychotherapist,
but to get into the masters of counseling psychology.
I needed a Bachelor's of psychology, not a Bachelor's of
Neuroscience. So, I went back and got a
bachelor of It's in Psychology so that I could do that Masters
even though, like most of the courses were the same and they
were all the same material. And I'd like I stated through
that degree because I was like, I've done all of this.
Why didn't my other degree account for that?
But so now here I am degree number four.
That's an amazing first off, congratulations, because that's
a shitload of hard work. Holy shit.
So what made you want to switch? This, like really interested me
because I Macadamia nerd like I love me some research so what
made? You want to switch over from
research to to the Practical? Practicum.
Is that the right fancy word? Yeah I do.
I have a practicum in my degree but yeah, the Sophia, what's
your practicum? It's like, the the doing part of
doing the totally practice like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it was during my Master's of Neuroscience that I realized it
because I was my thesis was on depression and the gut
microbiome. So, like, the bacteria that live
in your digestive system is different.
That. So I was working like one-on-one
directly with participants where they would come in and do a
bunch of like different surveys and stuff.
Give me a fecal sample and a blood sample and stuff like
that. So yeah.
And I liked the like in lab science e Parts with the like
pipetting and the like running analysis and stuff.
That was all super fun but I hated the writing part and I
hate the whole atmosphere of Academia where it's like
publisher die. Like you're not going to be
successful unless you publish. And always be applying for Grant
applications and stuff like that.
Like, that's just so stressful, especially when I hate writing.
So yeah. And I like to, like in person
part 2. So I was like, well, why don't I
just make a career out of the universe in part.
If I enjoy so much interacting with people and helping people.
And that's yeah, that's why I changed my mind.
So, I'm curious, I love to turn this into an interview but so
the amount of bureaucratic like like you might find on a podcast
like you might not make sure nobody thinks this is a
legitimate. Thing.
But, like so, when you were talking about all the Hoops that
you had to jump through to get the paperwork, well, till you
know, of course, to learn the things that you want it to
learn. But ultimately to, you know, get
the degrees that you needed the pieces of paper that allowed you
to progress in the direction that you wanted to progress.
I was, I am still in awe of your focus in motivation to go back
and go. I've already taken these classes
but I need it such to take this other class, like, that's why I
could never do schools. Once that starts stuff started
to happen, I was like, I screw all this.
I'm out. So I'm just it's interesting
that like, it seems like do you bureaucratic annoyingness of
research that was like so much. Like you being a person who
already jumped through. All these bureaucratic Hoops.
It was so much. So, in the research field that
you couldn't handle it. So how do the people who do
research in those fields handle it, like just different
different blokes different folks.
I guess like yeah like I've talked to like my friends that
have continued along the research path and they just
they're like yeah I hate grant writing but like it's a hazard
of the job and I'm like I just can't picture that being my life
like constantly having to worry about funding and like ethics
approvals and like all of this paperwork and this like writing
it's really the writing that I really just I just don't want to
write that much for the rest of my life forever.
How did it feel to like have have a D like presumably you're
studying. I mean I imagine the reason that
somebody is wonderful and good hearted as you would study
neuroscience and all that stuff would be to overall like to do
useful and helpful work. So was it all?
How did it feel to perhaps have have something that needs
funding and then have to go like, sell it.
Sell that idea like all of a sudden switching to, like,
marketing mode to sell why people should get you funding to
do this. Objectively good thing.
NG like, how did, how did that feel?
Like that would have been admitted?
Sounds infuriating. It sucks.
It's infuriating. And you're right.
It sucks. And like, yeah.
And that's part of the reason why I wanted to like, stray away
from that and just go straight to the help and part, right?
So what is so yeah, tell us more about the, the helping part,
like what is that going to look like for you?
Like once you've gotten your second Masters, casual fans?
Yeah so well this master is includes practicum I think
that's how you say that. Competition.
Sure it was said that word where I have to like do a placement be
supervised and stuff like that. So some people get jobs directly
out of that. I hope to eventually open a
private practice some day. And yeah, I specifically want to
work with like the lgbtq community just because like,
they don't have as many resources and a lot of psycho
therapist and psychologists and psychiatrists are old white men
that don't really understand the struggles to BT community.
So we're yeah. Help make that more accessible,
we love that we love like, oh man, that makes me delighted and
happy, thank you for being an excellent human being.
That's Travis. Also, Eric had all of these like
really like wonderful, like Nuance questions.
And my question was on at, like, how much how many, how much poop
have you handled? Oh man, so much poop.
I just think that pictures to show you.
There's there is this drawer. I'm pretty sure it's still back
at the lab that I did my masters.
Because the start of the study is continuing without me, they
need more participants sitting there, unrefrigerated filing
cabinet, this locked, filing cabinet with vials upon vials of
know sitting in the harz it on. There's a filing cabinet full of
poop. Yeah, what Katie who told you
about that? Oh sorry.
Protecting my God, I'm upset. Stuff too.
And they're like completely sealed.
You don't smell anything but like there's a lot of poop and
I'm so it's like there's I guess I never thought about the amount
of like like poop in relation to mental health.
Like now I'm like really interested in.
This is like it's like the new sexy Topic in science right now.
Super sexy. Oh yeah finding relationships
between the gut microbiome and everything.
Okay, so I mentioned, you're collecting these, these shit
samples. I was trying to think of
something funny that these duties examples.
He's poopy poopy duty duty poopy samples, and I imagine you're
taking some sort measurements on those to try to figure out what
the gut microbiome that produce that shit.
Okay. Like what Pretend like I'm an
idiot, who doesn't know what a gut microbiota like, I totally
do, but just pretend like, I don't, what is that, and why
should I care about it? What it's, and also, if you're
listening to this and you don't own a gut microbiome, as you're
not an idiot, I'm sorry, Katie, just directly called you don't,
I don't, I don't know what it is.
That was the joke. It was a joke, is that?
I have no idea what it is. Okay.
So inside your digestive system, there are bacteria that live in
there. That's their home.
They just, they just chill out there all day long for your
whole life. And those bacteria communicate
with, like, your immune system and your brain, and they affect
all sorts of different things within your body.
Yeah. And how we measure those
bacterias is, through poop samples.
That's so interesting. So, is that why I like come like
kombucha? For example contains four
background and also, I large portion of my life is dealing
with sourdough bread. That is what I do.
If an apparently I didn't know that.
I was like, hey Caitlin I think it's so funny like I still think
it's the funniest shit. Like just casually one time
because you know how everybody during the pandemic was making
sorrow. Well I liked our do before.
It was cool. Just a minute.
Eric was like I do how to make sourdough bread and I was like,
cools the pandemic and then Eric just casually drop like, no, no,
no. You need to understand.
I'm an expert, I've sprained. My Apprentice first time that me
and Eric talked on Discord, like, talk on the phone or
whatever, you you ran to the phone sourdough bread for like
20 minutes, three times. Here.
I was just like a, huh? Tell me more.
Oh, yeah, I wanna hear the top and I feel so bad.
Well, afterwards. I was like, I just manse planed,
the ever-loving fuck out of that.
I mean, in retrospect, like I don't, I don't know.
I feel like man, swimming is like, if I knew you already knew
that stuff, but I feel like you should still do hear it from me.
Like, you know, I don't know how much any given person knows
about sourdough bread. I don't know.
Also, for context, Katie and I are on the phone the other day
and I was like, hey, Hey sometimes, you got to make
sourdough bread and she was like, do you do you know how to
make like what keep in mind Katie of known each other kids,
and I have known each other for three months, but in ADHD, ADHD
time that's like three years I didn't have time.
That's like a bazillion years, right?
So and I'm a dog. So that's like 59 years.
Absolutely. But Katie was like, do you know
anything about sourdough bread? And I had to act actually ask
the question, are you serious? Like I'm like I wasn't doing the
intense. The at which that are you
serious? Came like that was the funniest
part because it wasn't like, a casual like are you see?
It was like, are you serious? Like I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry. I didn't know swear to me.
Are you serious post? Because?
Well, I would actually was asking because if you were being
sarcastic, then I've been like, oh, ha ha and moved on.
But if you were actually asking me, if I know how to make soda
brother, then that means there is a massive swath of my life
that, you know, nothing about, which is fine.
I just Miss the whole memo about hold my Mo say way Carly's here
and I want to hear more about poop and depressed, I'll get
back to it. I promise I wasn't trying to
make it about me. I wish I had a whole analogy
that was gonna go on and then I needed to there's a whole thing.
Anyways, basically on what we call scovia symbiotic community
of bacteria and yeasts and we are constantly monitoring the
health. Of that scobie's seen by a
committee of bacteria and yeasts and monitoring Its Behavior and
trying to make it behave in extremely predictable ways if
you take a scoby, a like a starter which is essentially
like a mixture of flour and water that serves as a hotel for
a shit ton of bacteria and yeast.
If you move that from Ryan, California to, you know, Georgia
new bacteria and yeasts are going to be like, hey, what's
up? We want to be in here now and
there's basically a war that happens within your sourdough.
Carter your scobie and basically it has to rebalance itself.
This is like it'll behave differently.
It'll taste differently, little produce produce different acids.
It will respond to different flowers differently.
It's fascinating. And so, I was wearing is where's
the Pixar film of this? Where is the Pixar film of the
little love, the little guys and they're like, oh no, like are
the guys bringing us to Georgia and then they like go to war the
bread War, but it's like a bully If you like us Moses Jones,
remember I was Moses. Yeah.
It as Moses Jones but it would be sourdough like a piece Cobi
Jones. I don't know.
But the rest of the entire movie in my head while you were
talking so much, I always thought it was so cool.
How the pill like, floated on that like water jet.
I thought that was the sickest thing.
But anyways, so now the all right, now, the actual question
or can cut all the I'm going to cut vast sections.
Jesus Christ, You're not, we're gonna leave or not system.
Really minute just how, how fragile is the gut microbiome
essentially can can a new bacteria, be introduced into
your gut microbiome and like set up shop and like totally racket
or change the power Dynamic. The whole political climate of
your gut microbiome, or is it a generally like a stable thing?
Like how stable is a person's gut microbiome?
How susceptible is it to change based on the things that they
eat or the Environment that they're in Loosely.
Like I don't, you know, I'm just curious.
Is it a fragile thing? Or is it like an ocean liner
kind of thing? Yeah, so the first of all, like,
I haven't really looked at any of the new research in the past,
like, two years. And I did my master's, like, 2
years ago. So I got, we'll never mind and
like the study of the microbiome is, A fairly new.
So a lot of the research studies are like contradicting each
other and until we get like a lot of replication stuff, we
won't really know. But yes, some studies are saying
that it's fairly like stable throughout your lifetime.
That like there is what we call a critical period in your early
life where it's like, really suspect susceptible to change
which was a big part of my master's because we were looking
at early life trauma and how that affects the the composition
of the gut microbiome. But other people are saying
that, yeah, that it can change. Change later in life and stuff
like that. So honestly, I'm not really sure
at this point. And so does the gut microbiome
change strictly by like external things coming in, like something
you eat or can just an experience, change your gut
microbe or likewise you just had trauma question and that's
something that they're currently studying trying to figure out.
Oh my God, I'm curious as fuck dog.
I gotta I gotta get more shit samples in my life.
One of the questions like that we were Asking, you know, is it
and we weren't looking at like cause and effect.
We were just looking at correlational stuff, so we don't
really know like what causes what, but one of the questions
that arose from our studies like, okay?
So is it that early life trauma is like causing depression and
depression is changing the microbiome or is early life.
Trauma changing the microbiome, and the microbiome is causing
depression, or like some sort of weird interaction like that.
And we don't know, Cool. Oh man, I'm so fascinated by the
implications of that. Like, like, I have like full-on
hyper fixation ADHD brain, about the implications of that.
Because that, that basically means that, that if they were
able to like isolate it, you could hypothetically, like,
fixed oppression by, like, putting in different gut, but
like, any guys. So I want to tell you about a
really, really, really cool study.
Do it do it right now. So there are Our and I okay, I'm
tacos in a while so I might get details wrong, but there was a
study that took looked at rats and there was like a rat with
like rat version of depression. So like like symptoms, it's not
like the same as human depression at all.
But you know, like symptoms where the rat is not acting Kurt
like like a normal rat and kind of look sad and and like a
normal rat and if they took the poop from the depressed rat and
put it in the normal, Rat. The normal rat started showing
signs of rat depression. What?
Yeah, what. Yeah.
So, and that and we can't extrapolate to humans because
humans are very different from rats, but that hints that, maybe
maybe gut bacteria can affect your mood.
Wait, there's a really fine fine, oh no, no Katie, no,
please please please. No no, I'm just gonna make a
discussing poop joke. Yeah I know that's why I want It
goes, this could be. It was going to be very mature
about this so it's fine. You go ahead friends.
I wanna hear that poop joke. All right, hold it keep, keep
that poop joke in the front of your brain.
Smear it all over your face. Now I have to remember shit.
Oh I remember son some TV show like like a Cougar Town kind of
TV show there a lot of like rich white ladies and who live in LA
and whatnot the the term like fecal transfer was something
that they would say like it was some like super they would go to
Palm Beach and get a manicure R and a mud bath in a fecal
transfer. So there's some validity to
that. I see.
Well, there's perhaps some validity to that I've heard of
and I only vaguely remember this, but I've heard of like
people trying to use fecal transplants to treat obesity and
stuff like that. I heard about that for for like
Crohn's disease and Crohn's. Yeah, yeah.
Like I had a groans in IBS or like super, super linked to like
depression and mental. Of the general.
Huh? Which is which is also like a
hinge that like huh something's going on with the digestive
system in the brain? Well I also noticed like
kombucha for example, fermented beverage, which contains a scoby
a symbiotic community community of bacteria and yeasts.
That like don't it's fascinating um symbiotic sco be why
symbiotic and community of bacteria and yeasts.
So a kombucha or any non-pasteurized.
Fermented beverage Which contains the scoby and they
ideas like it. When you drink kombucha, you're
introducing an extreme like by nature of the fact that the
kombucha has successfully been made means that there is a very
healthy symbiotic community of bacteria and yeasts in their
very healthy microbiome. And so by drinking that you're
introducing a very stable, very healthy system into your gut and
into your bowels and all in all the stuff which is why like I
might as much SS am saying is is which is why it makes you feel
better, and I've noticed like, you know, this is an ADHD
podcast, but I also have very severe, depression, what up?
And I've noticed that a lot of the times.
If I really like tune in to myself when I'm depressed, I
have a bad feeling in my stomach and it's not like a, it's not
like a abstract bad feeling in my stomach like fear.
It's a literal nausea too literal bad feeling in my
stomach, which is also like if I eat a bunch of junk food, I get
depressed, You know, I like because I'm ashamed that I just
ate a bunch of junk food but also because it's like in my
stomach it's like what the fuck, what the hell?
What are you what are you? What was this?
What are you doing here? Come on now.
We have to do all this weird stuff to digest this stuff so
well, yes, things like, like go with your got butterflies in
your gut like Dropping feeling in your gut.
Like, there's so much. I think that relate like mood
and cognition, and, and, and mental well-being, to your gut
already. And now, finally science is
like, catching up with these idioms.
Wow. Well, so my mom future guest, on
our podcast, my mom, I'm okay, I'm not kidding.
Kitty, it's happening. It's gonna be amazing.
Your mom's cool as hell. I'm holding up my mom.
I have met both of your pain. I haven't even met you in
person. We hung we hung out that's a
store at what? Yeah, that's crazy.
Um, so she she did this study were.
So my mom also has. Well, she has depression for, I
get it from, and she did this study were basically, they
inject enzymes from various Foods into you and see if
there's any, it was Mental effects.
See if, any of them triggered her already very well,
documented, depression. And so, they were like, here's,
you know, baby. Rice proteins are enzymes and
stuff and she'd be like, melons nothing, you know, whatever.
And then they got to Corn, they injected her with corn.
It was either proteins or enzyme protein or ends.
I think was enzymes. But either way, they injected
her with corn and she said like like the flip of a switch she
immediately was like why the fuck am I even here?
Like this is dumb, I want to go home like I'm very far, you know
depression. Like I want to be in my bed, I'm
so far away from my bed like you know, she couldn't bring her
eyes up from the floor depression.
If you have depression, you know what it feels like But like
immediately like she was fine and then all of a sudden she was
injected with corn stuff and she just sank she melted and and
like she had to remember what she was doing.
Like she had to be like oh oh yeah that that one.
And they were like oh and then they injected her with this
other thing that is like the opposite of a counteracted
whatever they just injected her with and again like the flip of
a switch. It just went away.
She just went. Whoa that was weird.
Holy shit. And so the corn and wheat
proteins, both did that to her. And so now she never eats corn
wheat and she said it changed her life.
Like she could not, she can't believe that she went this long
in her life without knowing that that those simple just the the
eating of those things. The introduction of those things
into her body, caused that to happen.
So anyway, that's just to speak that like I'm immensely
fascinated by the fact that we just put so much in our bodies
all the time and the amount of different.
The, the level of complexity that these each Thing has is
fascinating on itself, but then when you mix them all together
over time, like I mean it's it's, you know, you don't need
it, need me to tell you. It's fascinating, you studied it
for a very long time and still are but here haircut.
What parekh our producer is telling us that we have to move
out, okay? But what people are listening to
people, people tuned in, to listen to me talk, not the very
well educated women. So okay.
Do you want to explain the the next part to our good friend
Carly here? Yeah, sure.
So we're in attempts to be less discursive and to to filter our
ADHD Laden, whatever into some sort of organized structured
thing. We're doing an early section and
then second section where we pick a topic about ADHD and just
talk about our experiences with it and our thoughts on it and
whatever the hell. As if we don't do that, then
we're just going to end up talking about whatever we're
going to end up doing whatever the living shit the entire time.
So anyways, phase two, Marvel phase two.
So what Carly? You know, I talked about this a
bit yesterday but the ADHD topics day is looking back on
symptoms. I suppose would be a concise way
of putting it, but just like what are some of the things that
seemed like, just weird, like things that you didn't really
notice at the time, but now that you have an understanding of
your ADHD you can look back and go.
Oh dude, that was He's totally my ADHD and I just didn't know
at the time, whether it was in school or in or elsewhere.
Okay, so I thought of one, like, laughter, we talk about said I
was like, oh, I have a perfect one to talk about.
Okay. Do you guys remember in school
that like blue sticky tack that they put posters up with?
Yeah. Oh my God my whole brain just
lit up like yes. Like I was like a really
goody-two-shoes child when I was younger and I I never would ever
think of stealing anything in my life ever buttock.
Up for that blu-tack. I like obsessively would like as
we're walking along to the gym or something, I would like sneak
my hand behind the posters and like, grab a bunch of it.
And I had this ball of it like this big in my desk, and I would
like take it out in class secretly and like play with it.
Because I knew, if they know that I had this much, they would
certainly take away and I was just want to point out for the
for the viewers at home. You just made a grapefruit-sized
gesture with that big and like, yeah.
With it during class. And I would get really, really
upset. If like another student tried to
take it from me or like, a teacher tried to take it from
me. And now, I'm just, like, silly
Carly, like you were, that was a fidget toys that you made
yourself in class because like they wouldn't give you any.
So you major you stole one slowly over time, you just
amassing these. That's so funny.
That is not an inconsequential. Like they may have noticed in
the budget that you had there. We spent like ten times as much
on sticky tack. By the way it was what is what I
remember being called, like there's a thief in the midst.
He sent a bill in the mail or something now.
So okay. So talking about symptoms
talking about the reality of living with ADHD.
Tell us just a little bit about you.
Like how? Like what who are you where did
you come from? What is your ADHD story?
Like how did how did all of this happen and come about?
Yeah, so I wasn't diagnosed till I was 20.
I late diagnosis film. Who love it?
I totally just blanked Oops, it's okay.
ADHD. Your story.
Diagnosis are just leave. You are what you do.
Small town is near Ottawa, Ontario.
And yeah. Wasn't wasn't diagnosed in
childhood at all. I found the way I found out was
that playing playing Magic? The Gathering late nights with
my cheek, a like my I had a friend that was diagnosed and
every time at like at night around the I'm of doing playing
MTG his meds would be wearing off and he would start just, you
know, being his like wacky self and I was very similar to him
and my friends were like Carly, you act just like him.
Like what are you sure that you don't have it too because you
act exactly like him when he's not on his meds.
And I was like she's now what are you talking about?
You know what? And then I didn't really think
about it. Again until I got to University
and suddenly like I always I always did really well in
school. I was always just like a super
nerd. I'm It's cool.
I obviously I've been in University same now I can.
Yep. So yeah.
So I got good grades Without Really Trying in high school but
then that train High School to University was like a slap in
the face so hard. It's so hard.
Yeah, because suddenly like, you don't have like, teachers
nagging you to get assignments turned in and like you and you
don't have like laid out like, oh, each unit is like Like this.
Like no. It's just, like, here's a bunch
of information. Figure it out, goodbye.
Yeah. So I was struggling in my first
year. Like, I remember I got my first
biology lab report back and I got like, a 60 on it and I
called my mom crying, and I was like, I have to drop out.
I'm not supposed to be in University clearly, and yeah, so
I was having a lot of trouble and then I remembered like my
friends telling me like, oh, you seem like you have ADHD and I
was like, okay, let's humor them and I went to the school to
disability office and I was like what do I do?
If I think I have ADHD And they gave me this like pre screening
questionnaire, and I filled out the questionnaire and they
looked at their like, oh yeah, that's definitely friend.
So they sent me to a psychologist and that's where I
had the full, like psycho-educational assessment
done. It was like a couple sessions
of, like, three hours each. And I got to like play all sorts
of cool games and do some surveys and stuff.
I found it. Super fun.
And then yeah came back that. Yep.
That's what it is. What were those?
So what were those sessions like you played with toys?
Did you fill out stuff? Did you write stuff what?
They like yeah. Oh, so cool.
So, and this was, this is before I switched into neuroscience and
psychology to. So like this was just like,
really cool for me, but yeah, like the first session was an
interview, like she asked me a lot about my history and stuff
like that, growing up. And then I think I filled out
like a bunch of different self-report surveys and then she
got into like the psycho-educational testing.
So there was a bunch of different tests.
I remember one of them my favorite one, because I
succeeded with flying colors and I brag about it to everybody.
Um, was this one? Where there was like, a pattern
on a piece of paper? And I had to recreate that
pattern with these blocks that were like colored differently.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I got that like once a month
test and I scored in the 98th percentile.
So I'm better than 98% of people at that test and I'd like to
brag about that but I also know there's also a test where you
had to like look at a picture and memorize the details about
it and then the picture went away for a couple minutes and
then it came back and you had to try and like spot what had
changed and I scored in like I don't know, something really bad
like the said percentile or something for that.
So like my memory is poop. Yeah, but yeah, there's those
kind of tests there was one where they like said numbers and
letters to you and you had to repeat them back.
My golly gives me so much anxiety.
Just thinking about having to do that and yeah, thank you - yeah,
very similar. And it was from what I remember.
It wasn't, it was about Disparity between them, they
were there were, I think there were like four categories of
them like in just in the form that they gave me afterwards and
it was about do are all your other ones like about the same.
Like if you are as expected, given the other ones and how
much it like, if what if one is loja by how much?
And yeah, that seemed to be the metric by which mine was based,
as well as like I would do like extremely well on the Little
Blackie test which I again. Like I think about all the time,
I nailed it. Let's do more.
I want to do it right now. Now I'm going to make one, oh my
God, I'm gonna make one, I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask
the, do you guys know the girl in Tick-Tock who makes the paper
models? No, no.
Oh my gosh, she's by far the most famous person who follows
me well, drop you drop there, but she makes paper stuff.
It's awesome. I wish I knew where name so I
could lawyer, but you're going to make a block test and make
the block test. Oh yeah.
But it was basically about like they were ones of mine that were
like staggeringly low as well. And it's yeah, my psychologist
explain. She's like, it's really common
for people with ADHD or other like, neurodivergent people to
have like, Peaks and valleys in their intelligence where they're
really, really good at some things and then really bad at
other things. Oh my God.
I love I love knowing that like I love having that information
in my brain because I feel like I don't know if you experience
this, but like the weird dichotomy of like being so
successful in school. Like I have two masters degrees.
So like I love school. I'm great at school.
I'm amazing at school, but then it's like, I can't do the dishes
idea, keep my life together, and it's so frustrating to be so.
So, success successful, whatever that is.
And then also be like, quote-unquote, like such a
failure and it's such a weird thing and like, I wish more
people knew that I wish more. People knew that like there are
Peaks and valleys, I was getting chills as he said that because
like I can relate to that so hard like it's well and so so
what I was gonna ask you is, do you think that you like part of
the reason why you've decided that you want to like go into
like dude, sorry to say psychology?
Say say, Nervous but yeah, six, yeah, okay.
I like, I never remember what is the right word?
I'm always like psychologist. Psych psych psych out but it's
fine, it alone, but cyclist. But do you think like part of
that is is because of your experience?
And knowing that there's not like a typical experience like
is that something that's drawn you to this line of work?
Yeah for sure. Definitely and now that I've
started doing the tick tock thing it's like even just more
Amplified I like I feel like yes this is where I belong like Like
young people about all the crazy weird ways that we can exist
that are all legitimate and valid like hell.
Yeah, absolutely. And and so okay, so how did you
come to tick tock? How did, how did you wind up
being like an ADHD tick Tucker? Because I did like, by was I'm
here by accident. I still don't know how this
happens. Yeah, so also, at by accident
really like I it's such a, it's such a classic Millennial on
Tick. Tock story of just like I
downloaded it. Ironically Then I got addicted
to it. I do it all the time, but I
think I posted one of the first ones that I posted that was ADHD
related was, it was just a joke when it was one that Miley Cyrus
audio was was trending in the like rating blank, and I was
reading my ADHD symptoms. Like, people that like that, no,
psycho interesting. Uh, I can talk about my Aid and
hearing people like it. Cool.
And then I made the God damn it. Dave post And that's the one
that like went up real fast and started to gather attention and
I was like, okay, alright, I can work with this.
Well, it's your stuff is amazing and so, like, free free
advertisement for you, if you're not following Carly ADHD, don't
you absolute ADHD adults? You absolutely should because
it's amazing and great. So, so listeners go to a bad.
I had another question that I got.
So excited about your content that I It's yours is the kind of
content that like I liked it so much that I like I hate it
because I like I wish I could make content like, oh like
you're so consistent. Your.
So your you have like a style and you're like educated on the
subject sits like it's awesome. I mean I don't I don't actually
hate it. I love it very much but I really
admire you for that. It's really incredible.
It was just way too compliments. I have a question for the group
though. I have like a real question that
because like I know, I don't know like because I like I've
got To a certain point, right? Where it's like I'll go on my
Tick Tock and I'll want to talk about, you know, like Peaks and
valleys. Right.
And I'll want to like, talk about that subject and I'll be
like scrolling through my feet or whatever.
And then I see that like five different ADHD, take stalkers
have already like done a video. Do you ever have that moment?
Do you ever have that moment of like struggle where you're like,
should I make a video? I feel like I'm kind of cop like
popping like Carly now but like I want to say something about it
and do you ever do you ever have that problem?
Where she's like oh shit well Katie already made a video.
Now, I feel like I had a, like, a momentary, like absolute fear,
like gut, fear, horrible reaction when I posted a video
that was like, almost identical in content to one that you
posted Katie at the same time to, I don't even remember the
color of each other posted we both ADHD and non
heterosexuality, right? I remember that.
I like I loved it.
It was I loved it. Like I had something like I
Okay, I do remember that now because like I had this very
real moment of like I feel like other people really like talking
about this like I guess I like posting because it's like it's
important to me and I want to like say us not there to myself
and then I saw that you did it and I was like well at least now
there's two of us. Like that was exactly like that
was my reaction. Like I wasn't at all mad.
I was just like sweet. Like I felt like Vindicated in
like having that moment of like oh well somebody else has had
this experience like knows this knowledge has this experience
and they like want to talk about it.
So I was like jazz. Like ha ha.
I was terrified because I was like, is she gonna be mad?
I swear, I'll be home. Like I lie.
I have that all the time, like, because I like I feel like the
weird thing about ADHD is like, it's so there are parts of it
that are so personal, right? And so it's like, I feel like
both of us, we could, we could absolutely go home tonight and
do a really compelling video about our experiences as being
like, academically successful. Right?
But we would have to completely different experiences.
Like we shared that same thread but it's two different things.
Yeah. And so it's like I just I keep
going back and forth between this like, if I know that like
somebody, like if Danny Donovan, if Danny Donovan has like, made
a video about this already. Like, can I use this topic?
Can I say something? And so, like, I don't know.
I like, I constantly have like anxiety brain about being
perceived as like, stealing other people's content.
I think there's value to it. Even if it's literally the exact
same like content, like if it was on paper, looks very, very
identical. Like having a different voice,
tell it to people also matters because some people I think are
going to be more receptive to someone who you know, likes D&D
and kink and stuff like that talking about something.
Whereas like some people want, you know, someone that looks you
know more like a really professional like a look.
Well done up with like nice. Clothes, and like, a clean
background. Like I saw this one.
I can't, I can't remember now, but it's all like time.
Lapses of like this really organized us with like, nice
writing and everything. Just remember the name but some
people like that and some people like a chaotic, blue haired
person screaming at the different styles of delivery of
content and I think that there's value to that style of delivery
as well. Other than just the content.
That's such a good point. So like what, how would you, how
would you define your your thing like how did you find your
voice? Tick-Tock, I'm still finding it.
I don't know. Damn, shame.
I like I totally was like, this is such a shitbag question.
I asked him, like, I don't even know, like I was in the backyard
earlier like running around dressed like catch her on a
belfie from outline and like and I don't know what I'm doing with
my life. It's fine.
Fuck it, everything about Tick-Tock is like, you have the
space to just like, fuck around for lack of a better hat.
And it's, and it's like, you know, it's like one video flops.
You've got an unlimited number that you can post to make up for
it, you know, it's just It's have you found it really
interesting to see like what, what is a hit and what is amiss?
Yeah. Yeah.
My my like analytical science brain like I have spreadsheets,
I have Excel. Spreadsheets about my Tick Tock
account guys, that's amazing. I do.
I'm doing like research on my content.
What people like, what people don't like, what hashtags are
working. What time of day is working and
stuff like that? Like, it's just fascinating to
me. Yeah, something that like, I
didn't expect why didn't expect any of The Tick-Tock stuff to
happen? But I didn't expect to be so
interesting about Is just the, the volume of data involved.
I mean, just the sheer quantity of data involved in the way that
any one person's experience on Tick-Tock is like, I've noticed,
like, in videos if I speak, if I say something looking at the
camera versus looking away and then looking at the camera, I
know if it makes a difference, but I kind of feel like it makes
a difference like looking at the numbers which is also sort of to
say, like okay, to u.s., if somebody is Already like Danny
Donovan. Does a video about something and
it does really well and she explained it really well.
There's still vast swathes of people who aren't going to see
that because of something, because the algorithm did a
thing. Anything and so like at the end
of the day, like by making a video yourself, even if you are
even if you like maliciously, say, I'm going to copy this
person's video. You're still reaching a larger
portion of people. And I like, I think for all of
us, I don't mean to speak for either of you, but I think.
Ultimately like I feel like we feel like we're helping people
like we're showed we're being honest about our experiences
such that other people kind of go, holy shit, me too.
Like I can feel less bad about that or feel see nor feel not
alone. And so that's like my counter to
like if I want to make a video but it's already been done to
death by a bunch of people. It's like, well some people
still haven't seen it and perhaps if I do one, then those
people will see it which is not to.
I don't mean to like venerate myself and be saintly or
whatever. But that's sort of how I combat
that that train of thought. Yeah, I also Look, you can now
Stitch videos. So like you can just add
something to what someone else is saying like that's awesome.
Yeah, yeah. I get irrationally mad at people
when they don't have like to wet or Stitch enable.
But he's a couple of content makers right now that like I
would love, I would love to say a few things about some of their
videos but they have the, they have that turned off.
So like if I want to do that, I have to, like, screen recorded
or something, which like always feels a little sketchy.
Like they're not. Permission to do so.
But I was just like, I don't like I like it like weirdly
upset about it, like, which is so silly.
It's like, they're right, it's their right and their total
prerogative. And I'm just like, how dare so
dumb but I don't Carly. Do you have the problem of like
forgetting that you're Tick-Tock is completely different than my
Tick? Tock like do you, do you ever
have that where you just like forget that there are so many
Tic Tac accounts that other people don't know about?
Cuz I just assume everybody has the same algorithm, is me.
Yeah, yeah, that yeah, that's a big one too.
Is like, yeah, I assume that everyone that's watching.
My videos has watched, like, all of your videos and all of your
videos, both of you. Sorry, I forget that.
We're not. It's audio to.
But yes, both of your videos, my gestured to both of the screens,
the Hollywood Squares screens is really good.
It was like, little B, little B little bonus for the, you, the
Pod tubers unfortunately. However, well do sir is telling
That we need to move on. Oh, talk about time.
Blindness is really good. Eric, that was subtle.
It was over there. My piano.
Really good. It was really good.
Okay. Okay.
Do you want to introduce this cool?
New, it's sad. But I do segment.
Acute doing math. Yeah, no, I didn't like you were
doing that. So I stopped it's Haiti and I
really like each other everybody.
Buddy. We're just we're just means to
each other. Sometimes, we're just mean to
each other for fun. We're fun.
You know. Cry cry.
Over here. Now, do you want to do?
You want to do the, the idea that we talked about earlier?
The secret cool. New idea.
Oh yeah. Sure, 22.
Chantel. Do you want to play a show and
tell her it's creepier when the voices disembodied.
Like, yeah. Can't see you doing it.
It's like it might be Eric. It might be a Ventriloquist
dummy. I'm not that's exactly the first
thing. Really those picture that is
exactly what I was picturing. So I'm infected I was just like
from Goosebumps that was totally picturing Slappy from Goosebumps
during that song. How is that both?
We're both of our brains went but is glorious and clearly I
look like a fucking ventriloquist dummy.
Now, I have that in my head too. If people independently thought
about you could like, draw the Why do you think I'm what do you
think? I'm standing up right now.
You're going to draw the lies. Eric we have to do the segment
though buddy and also, okay, this won't come off, we'll have
it on for day. So this is a new statement.
I'm just gonna I'm you know what, I'm taking the
introduction away from you. That's what you get for the
music. Okay.
Welcome to our super professional podcast.
We're so glad you came Carly. So So this is, this is a segment
of this is new segment that we're trying, it's called ADHD
show and tell. Because one of the cool things
about being in a pandemic, is that we're not in the same room
together. In fact, are you in Canada right
now? See, Evan can real real quick.
What's it like living in a good country?
I mean, kid has problems too, but right now we're definitely
still doing better than the stab.
You have you ever seen Justin Trudeau in real life?
How does he smell? Does he smell good?
Let's see. What does he smell?
Like, what does he look like? What is his vibe?
I've seen I've seen Stephen Harper in real life but that's
less exciting. It's I like I have like a weird
Crush understand. You're like it's so stupid like
it's like Daddy. Yeah I was just I was just like
I call him prime minister boyfriend.
I just really like Justin Trudeau.
It's fine. I feel the same way about
Jacinda from New Zealand. I was like 10 on.
Oh yeah I've got good. It's like it's fine.
I'm sure they all have their issues but there Better than
what we got. It's fine.
Okay. Um, so anyway, show-and-tell
sorry, got discharged in thinking about how nice it would
be to be in Canada right now. Eric, you introduce it?
Okay, fine. I gave it back to you because
first off, if the prime minister of New Zealand, came up to me at
any time of any day and just said, hey, come with me.
I'm getting my minions. Yes, ma'am.
Well, I would just be like, yes, can I please you baby?
Like, I feel like like, yes. Frankly, if the prime minister,
Any country came up to me and said, hey, come with me.
There's a very strong likelihood that I would, but well leader of
our country. We got any kind of a bold
statement. If if, if I saw Donald Trump, I
would be like, hey, you come here now.
Thank you. I have some shit to say to you,
like I, we would not be, he would not be the one beckoning
me. So this segment, everybody,
third try. Here we go, man.
So the second is ADHD Stones held.
That's my that's my thing. Okay.
It's Mike, my piano is too far away for it to be an effective
bit, did you remember all that stuff?
I taught you the other night. I yes, cool.
I'm quizzing you later. I'm quizzing a cool.
Eric teaches Katie music, the introduce the segment.
Oh yes. Okay, so the segment idiots you
show and tell we're going to go in a circle which means nothing.
But we're going to take turns and each one of us is going to
ask the other person to show us their ADHD thing like an ADHD
thing. I want a name examples but I
don't want to take Examples away from anything that you might be
thinking. So, here it is.
ADHD, show and tell Carly. Would you like to go first?
What a name, a thing that you need to go fine.
Yeah, I care for you. You you tell me first.
So Carly gets the vibe and then we'll don't put Carly on the
spot. It's not cool.
Carly. I just I just wanted to see the
look in your eyes when I was like you're on the spot now.
Go go. Okay, sir.
Okay. So wait, am I saying the thing
first or Katie are you? Yeah, you say the thing and I'll
go find it. All right.
I want to see from the two of
you. I want to see those strange
thing from a hobby that you once had.
Had but no longer really do both at note that I once have well no
you could still tentatively do it but just a thing from a
strange hobby will say okay. Okay. a hobby, I don't mean to
qualify it by saying strange, who's to say, What the hell is
that? Okay, so for the, for the
listeners at home, Carly was way quicker on the draw with this.
I just want to point out. So, alright, so from what I can
tell, you're holding a purple rubber Cube.
Oh, it's a, it's a house. Okay?
So it's a purple house with a rhinoceros bisected into it.
So, it's a hippo, and then a smaller, hippo bisected.
Perfect to smaller hippos by It. So it looks like the house from
up with with hippos protruding from it, and it's about the size
of a baseball. What is that?
What is delightful? This is gonna, this is gonna
take some explaining because you're not Canadian.
How could that makes sense to any natural, right?
Look at expounds, I'm delightfully curious in this
moment. So, I had.
This is also like a Shameless self plug at the same time, so
it's please plug all of your stuff.
So, I had a friend 3D print this for me, because I'm in a band
called House typos. Now, for you Americans house.
Hippo is this delightful 90s PSA that was made for children to
like, teach them how to like be wary of what they're seeing on
TV. It was like, Like this like
documentary style, like shots of this tiny little hippo that
lived in your house and ate like peanut butter crumbs.
There's like the North American house, hippo blah, blah blah,
blah, blah. Yeah, it's like this tiny hippo
that lives in your house and like Hyde's and stuff anyway.
So I named my bam that me and my friend have a band called heh
step. Oh, and we got this 3D printed
so the hobby is my band. I guess it's not abandoned, we
still have it so bad. But yeah.
This thing what kind of what kind of music do you play?
It's like folksy. See stuff together like
harmonies and stuff. He plays the guitar, he writes
all the. So I'm really just a meat sack
to make vocals for him and arranging and stuff like that,
but not to take attention away from your band but I still have
quite a few hippo related questions.
So what did the tiny house? Hippo do?
Was it a malicious house? Hippo.
When they were like, beware the house hippo, or was it a
friendly house at? What?
What, what do you think differently?
I think that I need a steel like peanut butter creams and stuff,
but like, I think they're not friendly.
Not friendly to still peanut butter comes the bad thing.
Okay, so how does how does the hippo relate to being wary of
what you see, or being like wary of what you see on TV are aware
of what you see on TV? Well, I mean they were trying to
say that it's not real but I don't believe that I believe it
is real and really their whole advertising campaign back.
Fired because I completely believe in the house.
Hippo. Now I'm, I'm support this.
I would support him for it. How you?
Look it up! Look it up!
Look up. Canadian house Depo after this
podcast because I think I've written it down to different
places. Let me ask you down in one
place. All right, Katie.
What do you got? Okay, if it's not a hippo
related, this is gonna be a massive disappointment.
I mean, I can change. So, this is from, when I used to
repair phonographs, what? That is a phonograph, it's a
photograph, it's a full-sized phonograph.
It's a full-size phonograph 3 here.
This is got the, the cool thing and every it's very heavy.
So I'm gonna put it down. So the thing is that I used to
like I still do sometimes, but I like I really like repairing
Aunt. Like, oh Old antiques, because
old antiques make sense to me and my brain.
Because they're they're from before computers and so they're
primarily mechanical and so like over there can't see it.
But I've got like a projector, like, an old, Victorian
projector from like the, I think, like the 1890s.
And then I've got a well, this really cool.
It's like a 1940s Telegraph trainer.
Like, they would like to choose how you trained to learn how to
use the Telegraph. And yeah, I just like to repair
old antiques. It's a fun fact about me, so,
that's cool. How does a telegraph trainer
work? How does it does it?
I'll show you. Oh, boy.
I'm tempted to guess, but I'm gonna be wrong and I don't want
that shame right on my way in my life.
Yeah. I have no gas.
It's got training wheels on it. Okay, I'm back.
Okay that already looks very different.
Okay, a box. So the way I like this big box
and what you do is you had like headphones like just and they're
these are like the original headphones that came with it,
which is cool. And you don't see that very
often and then you had tapes and they would have like so is like
Morse code, you know? And so they do you put the tape
on it and then the tape would play and it would do like the do
do, do, do it. Like the dots.
The dots and dashes and then you have a separate component piece
that you plug into it. That's the, that's the Tapper.
And so you can use it to train like listening, like receiving
messages, or you could train to, like, learn how to send
messages. And so this one right now is set
up to learn how to to receive soul of.
The reason why I own this, this is a very stupid story is
because I'm really into Escape rooms and Love escape rooms.
And a lot of Escape rooms have Morse code in their escape
rooms, and I'm very bad at Morse code.
So, I found that antique store and then I repaired it.
And now I'm training myself to learn Morse code, text me
better. So anyway, moving on from the
absolute shit show that lives inside my head at all times.
Well, I just want to say clearly the most efficient way to learn
Morse code is to Step One find a broken over. 100 year old
training device. No, no fix it.
This is from WWII like so they use it, okay?
To like, this is how they train soldiers.
So it's not, it's not like a hundred years ago.
It's also fun fact. Samuel Morse was actually pretty
accomplished painter. Pretty good didn't know that.
Fun facts. Okay, so mine, mine my
challenge. The world holds its breath.
Is to find a book that you've started more than once, but you
haven't finished. I mean, go with whatever you
want to go with. There's just like antiques
littering my kitchen. Now this is great.
I'd read all the way upstairs. Oh, my gosh.
It's okay. Eric is still finding his.
Okay, so Carly, what's yours? What did you what did you bring
for us today? Margaret Atwood Madam.
I read the first two in high school or at least the first one
in high school and, and yeah and and and I liked them.
But I've gotten this far. Far so page 78.
And I've tried like three times to read this.
Dang Buck. I just cannot do it.
But I would. Is that, is that like a sequel
to The handmaid's Tale? I genuinely don't know.
Dmoz are different Series. So okay, okay, it's called oryx
and crake. Okay, yeah, cool.
And do you want. Do do watch handmaid's tale.
I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't know.
I love him mates to OKC. I'll get ideas.
Actually, I have a friend who was in Show what?
Yeah, as like a background actor but like still super cool.
That's still super cool. That's amazing.
I can't watch it because every time I do, I just think of Mike
Pence. Wait, that's different.
That's what makes this different.
Okay. Katie just did the Mitch
McConnell eating ready for it. I was so ready to Mitch
McConnell, eating a raspberry, and then I was like, that's not
a different person, it's fine, it's fine!
Eric and I have a running joke or Mitch McConnell eats
raspberries and it's, that's the whole joke.
It's very, very down. It's either, he's very tiny.
And therefore the raspberry seems very big.
So he eats corn cob or the raspberry is giant.
I think the tiny Mitch McConnell Is funnier because then it's
like whoa. Don't I do not have a house.
Mitch McConnell be kind of. That is for sure.
He can have none of my peanut butter.
He lives in your crumbs. He can he can, he can do
massive, litigious processes. He got a bill on my desk that I
could pass in order to give him peanut butter scraps, but I'm
not going to fucking passed the bill going to leave it on my
desk forever. Sorry Eric, you know how you get
rid of a? Mitch McConnell.
The tiny Mitch McConnell in your Clean it.
Filibuster or voting their stuff.
There's if there's no crumbs then then he can't, he can't
survive. So you have knowing your house
so much McConnell can live. There you also, you also vote in
Kentucky, if you live in Kentucky vote, Kentucky also
also that Eric what was yours? What was your book full of
white-hot? Rage now.
So the first one in this is kind of a joke but it's also true.
The Bible like I have a Bible because it's like you should
read the Bible, like just one should Diversion is have that
King James. Oh no.
It's the new international version which is probably at
least, get some poetry in your life with the King James it.
So hum opinions on my gosh, about that has a bunch of
writing on the inside of it and I found it on the street.
And so I was like, oh, the universe provided me with a
Bible, I'm taking it and one day, I'll read it.
S is Faulkner's light in August? I started it in high school and
we did it for a class. It was amazing and I have like,
but doing it in a non An academic setting is like, it's
such dense writing will like, just full of insane symbolism
like, oh, so like in a classroom setting, it's awesome because
you can all discuss like what stuff means, but alone it's just
like, there's no way I'm getting what is supposed to be gotten
from this book? Like I'm not smart enough.
I am by far, not well educated enough to understand this book
so that one and then another one is where is it?
Wizard's? First Rule fucking it's a
fantasy book that has been recommended to me a million
times. That that is a thick thick Boy.
Yes. First of like 12 Series.
So I'm on chapter 4 and I keep forgetting.
So I have to reread but I can only ever get to chapter 4 but
it's pretty good so far. Yeah.
Wizard's First Rule. Cool, I'm hoping somebody
listening to, this can can go like, dude, it's amazing.
You gotta finish it and then that'll make me finish it.
This book's also, I could have brought down like 50 bucks,
like a percentile. How many books do you own that?
You have not read or finished. It might be like close to 50/50
like 50% I bought and have never even opened.
Well, so I'm going to say an answer that is unsavory but I'll
it makes sense. So I would say about 98% of the
books that I own, I have not read, but I live in Oakland
California and in Northern California, there is so much
stuff on the street like for free Cut.
Like if anything is even minutely useful people.
Throw it out, they put it on the street and put the sign that
says free on it. And so I also I move around a
lot because I'm a cook for hire and so I kind of just Bounce
Around Apartments a lot. And so having a living, fuck ton
of books on me is not like useful.
So if I usually, if I read it, read a book and I've liked it,
I'll give it to somebody because I want them to read it and also
like it's literally just heavy and I've already read it and so
like I'll get rid of it. And so when I moved into this
apartment, I found a crate full of just Boo books, including
those that fantasy book, but just like a stag, some of them,
I've heard of some of them, I haven't.
Some of them are like, I don't know, but I was just like, well,
that's cool. That'd be fun to have and like
look at and be like, oh, look at these completely random
assortment of books from nonfiction to Fantasy to like,
young adult, like that would be cool if I could like go up and
just be like, pick one at random.
Like the universe provided me with this book and now I'm going
to read it which of course, I haven't done.
But anyways, so that 98% of the books.
I own. I have not read I think that,
like, 98% of the books that I have read, it was in high school
earlier. I used to be like, a really Avid
Reader, but I think that it's Netflix and Tick-Tock were
thing. So, I had either like the
satellite TV and the shows on there.
We're not great or reading. And so, I read a lot, but, do
you have you? Okay, so, I've had this same
thing. I've had this exact same
experience of, like, I was a voracious reader, like I was
like, known in, like I The newspaper like how much?
I fucking red and then, like, at some point I just stopped, I
just stopped and I had like a very real moment a couple of
years ago like after grad school where I realized like it had
been probably five years since I've read a book for fun and I
was like I'm going to read a book for fun.
Did I finish that book know but I started it and that's the
important thing. Did you have that moment?
Did you have that moment of like Fuck.
It's been a like, a year since I've read a fun book.
Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. Especially like and once you
yeah, once you're in University or college or whatever like use
you have to read so much like for school that you're like, the
last thing I want to do for fun is read a book.
Yo, I want to just turn the TV on and let my brain melt out of
my ears. Yeah.
It's like, it's like half
burnout. And then half like motivation
you know, I don't know man, it's so hard.
It's so Hard. As it makes me happy because I
feel like not a lot of people talk about that experience of
being like, I fucking love reading.
I fucking hate reading where I got my high school graduation.
I got the, you know, like how to do Awards, like most likely to
do whatever I got, The Bookworm award.
I was like, that's how my school Beauty was like.
I read a lot. Well, I always want just it to
bring it back, HDI frankly, like, in this is something that
like, I, I don't, I feel like I've never admitted to myself
and certainly I've never admitted to other people.
All, but why not say it on a podcast podcast?
Yeah, I am. I frankly have a really hard
time. Reading a really hard time
reading. Like, I don't know.
It was I've never been diagnosed with like a reading something or
other, but my ADHD has always made a reading excruciating.
It's like shamefully excruciating because I'll be
reading and the, it's like, the longer I go, unless I am come.
So absorbed in what I'm reading. That my like other brains, you
know, like my ADHD brains, there are going like, what's on what's
going on over there? That was a sound outside.
It smells weird in this room. Doesn't it?
Like unless it's so vividly amazing to me that all of those
brains are like hyper focused and then in which case I'll read
for way too long and lose track of time and miss work and stuff
like that that that doesn't happen in a while.
But the longer I read, it's I think, I mean, I use this
analogy in our in our last podcast, but it might, my brain
sort of feels like an balanced washing machine like on the spin
cycle. So if there's like a shoe on one
side, the more that it spins, the more like the more, the more
oscillates and goes for like and so as I'm reading my brain just
starts getting hotter and hotter and it starts vibrating harder
and harder. And I have to just go fuck God
like shit and then I like good. So, if there's something that I
have to read, it's I mean it's extremely difficult, will
generally I'll be all I would read with somebody else.
I also reading aloud for me, really helps because it forces
me to keep my place. Like I won't like scan and then
go, oh, did I skip a line? But but like, but that was
because Carly, you have sorrow. Sorry, Eric.
Oh really. We'll just, I just want to say
just in case anybody listening like has had that similar
experience. That like it's it's one of the
more infuriating things that my 80 like that.
I want to say, I blame my ADHD for but like, there are vast
swathes of books that I have. Have owned at one point, or I've
been tended to read, but you know, I'm 26 years old now.
And every time, well, 98% of the time, I sit down with the
intention to read it ends in like, shame and anger and it's
so real. It's something awful.
And so like, yeah, so anyway, a lot of times, like, if like all
the books that I've started by having finished his just like
it's, I don't want to use the word like trauma lightly, but,
you know, it's like, I associate it, with my failure,
academically, and my You're intellectually and it's like
something to get over or whatnot.
So, anyways, just aren't just on reading an ADHD that that's a
thing. Yeah.
Well, I wasn't asked Carly like Carly, you are.
I think the first person that I've ever met, that's like
academic, but like, science academic because I all I know is
like, trash Shakespeare, nerds would like, that's different,
right? Master of letters is master of
letters. You're welcome j-jizzy.
I know them all. Do you have advice for, you
know, anybody She who is like in stem like you are who might be
struggling with things like reading long-ass science
reports. I assume those are thing.
I don't know the science papers doing.
Do you have those four people do 7i science?
I have teen science to do today. Oh no.
How can I do a science? Good with ADHD.
Okay so how to do a science good?
No actually made A video about this, I know he's more like,
what? Oh my God, thank you.
But like, especially in science when you're reading.
You don't really have to read it in order.
Like you were talking, Eric, you were just talking about how,
like, oh, I jumped to lie. Oh, I have to go back in
science, like, it's not really a big deal.
If I jump to the middle of an article read that partment.
Go. Oh, okay.
That's really cool. Wait, what are they talking
about now? And then I go back and then, and
then read it. And like, that's actually
probably the better way to do it is like, if you can skim your
textbooks for relevant information and then give
yourself like let your brain. Give you the dopamine by, like,
just finding something interesting.
Like if you just scan a bunch of pages, find something that
piques your interest, then you'll have that little bit more
like power to actually read the boring Parts.
Well, I love that. It does not work at all for
Hamlet but I love it. Wait, what is the question?
Wait, wait a second, what? He dies at the end.
Fuck. And I also like, I love that.
I was watching her the podcast and like, like all your Academia
in theater and stuff is super fascinating to me because I've
done theater and I almost went to school for theater, but I
grew up really poor and I really, really wanted to get a
well-paying job. So I decided I'll go to school
for Science and I'll keep doing theater like as a passion thing.
Yeah. But like you're saying, like it
doesn't work when you're reading scripts.
Like I can't just do the script and and because it doesn't work
that way. Yeah, but yeah, I find like
cult-like reads. Like the first read of a play is
like one of the most stressful things for me ever, because
reading aloud in front of people is like so much anxiety, because
I'm like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna jump a word, I'm gonna, I'm
gonna get confused. Oh, I'm supposed to understand
what I'm saying, I'm so shy moat into this as I'm reading, but I
don't even know what I'm reading.
I'm just like, spreading outwards and stressful.
It is a big mood, especially when you're like, you have ADHD.
So like, then you're also just like Because you're like, oh,
it's I'm done talking now. Like I guess I'll stay here for
12 Pages once it nights. Yeah.
And then you start like peeking ahead.
Do you do the think ahead? Where you're like, how many more
lines until I get to talk again? Because it's a weird one you at,
you didn't notice, but you had one, but you're going ahead to
try and see like, oh, what's the next thing I'm going to say.
And then everyone sitting there staring at you and you're like,
what? What?
And they're like, it's your lucky number of time.
These are we on the number of times, this has happened to me
in my life. I'm so glad that That I'm not
the old like I feel deeply Vindicated in this moment.
Thank you for that gift. I wanted to take that and
treasure it always because that is such a mood.
I thought this was unique experience to me so this is
awesome. It's such a real thing, great
Century. Real thing it's just like them
over like so and then you're frantically trying to like
figure out what page everyone's huh?
Yeah you're like oh sorry I got lost your like I wasn't lost.
I'm lying. I'm telling lies now to For my
shameful self introduced Sokka. Um, well, hey, like our
producers telling us that we have to move on, but what I do,
how do you want to end this? This baby Eric, how do you, how
do you want to say goodbye to our friend Carly?
Well, I do have to say that Carly you still have to ask us
both. Oh, right.
Resurrected. Shall we have a game.
I forgot you. If you got one, we all here and
huh? Don't hurt me.
On that I didn't forget I was the responsible one in this.
I got excited. We were having a theater, kid
moment. Is that what that was?
That was all right, looks like, Devastate me, sorry.
I mean nearest object that is not where it should be like,
whether it's like a clutter thing or like, I just put this
down in a weird spot and then tell me like, where you found
it? Oh my gosh.
I don't even have to. I'm just going to move my
computer. I'm not even going to move my
body. Here's the entire.
This is what you can't see. Just all of this.
Oh my gosh. Well, so well done.
Katie, you didn't have to move your feet.
Job. I didn't because it's to what
the thin veneer of having my shit together.
It's just subtle pan. Lightly off camera is just piles
of bull, shit happens in their lives.
Instead of always looks so nice and neat and look, pretty and
stuff. And it's because I only use like
right here and then, but like, what you can't see is like, I
don't have a desk. I like literally don't own a
desk and very recently. I realized that, that's weird.
I don't have a desk and so I use my kitchen Island.
And so then and I was like, because the lights really good
because I got like a lot of Windows right here, but the
thing is is just like all the shit from all of my shit is just
right here in a pile. All the to my I also hear.
Do you want to are we just exposing yourselves.
What? Ya?
See ya. I said last night on the
Discord, I was talking to some people and Discord and we were
talking about our desk like our work spaces.
And so, I said, the next ADHD challenge video, I'm going to do
is show me yours. Desk because it's like,
terrifying. It's a terrifying to reveal that
part of you because you're like, well, it's up so fast.
Like I will I'll finally clean it and then within two days,
it's a disaster. Yeah, this happened.
It's I don't know. And then like the one of the
things that I find the most frustrating is like and maybe
you have this because you're also a theater person but like
I'm a theater person but I also like make like I call.
Are you guys theater people? I'm sorry.
I I had to move really close to the camera that one hair flip
but like the thing that I find so frustrating is like if I'm
like making a costume I have to like get out all the fabric then
I have to get out all the pins and then I have to get out the
the whatever the fuck and then it's just like it's a completely
new mess in the same area and then people are like well just
put stuff away as you work and I'm like that's not it's not
possible. I don't believe that it's a
possible thing. I don't know.
I get so heated about people just pull yourself away.
I'm like, thanks. I never thought.
Never occurred to me. I put the stuff away.
I forget that. I have it.
Yeah. Like I want to keep everything
out where I can see it and where I know I have it and I know
where to get it, but that isn't plus.
I also like to put stuff away, like, do a thing and then put it
away. That's contingent on the fact
that you were starting a task. And then completing the task,
and now you're done. And you put that Not the case
with any see what they're like several like progress bars
happening at all times. Like, I'm not going to do five
percent of something and then have a better idea.
And go I should build that and go.
But first let me put away all these things that it's like no,
I'm gonna leave them all out so I can switch from each one like
really quickly but put up another.
So does that affect? Does that affect you in?
Like you're like, when you were like working in like labs and
stuff, like what was it like to work in like places where you
have such like, strict protocols, but knowing that At
like your brain is like maybe I could just leave it all here,
like was that something that you had to like learn or like work,
find a workaround for ya. So I feel like if I if I like
okay so I'm very motivated by like the fear of social shame.
So when I know that I'm sharing a space with someone like my
brain is automatically thinking like, oh my God, don't leave
this. They're there.
They're gonna get mad at you. They're gonna do this or there
and do that. So I'm a lot better at like
keeping spaces. Clean it.
Shared space. Yeah, but I am if it's just me
or if it's like people that I'm comfortable with, like, my
roommates and stuff like that, like, I'm bad at it again,
because I know that they're not going to get mad at me, but
like, the, my lab mates and stuff.
I was like these people don't know me, I don't know them.
I need to impress them. So I was always like, very hyper
Vigilant about that kind of stuff.
And and having like really concrete instructions for
protocols also help because then under literally just following
the list. I don't have to like I don't
have to use my brain. I just have to follow the
instructions. Yeah, I think what are the Great
frustrations, like of my life is like when I'm in a kitchen like
it, like a not my kitchen, but like, when I'm at work in the
kitchen, following procedures, and like being organized and
being like, okay, I need to assemble the process for to
doing this. And then I need to assemble
process to, you know, it's a shared space, like to break
down, and make sure everything goes back where it needs to be
in a very diligent about that at work.
But as soon as I get home, all that is out the window because
it's just my space. Like I can, you know, I don't
care if it's a dirty or whatever.
And so one of the Great Striations.
And, like questions of my life is, how do I get that into my
regular life? Like, how do I do that?
And I don't know about you, but I've experienced like a lot of
like shame and questioning where it's like, okay, I can do this
when I'm at the lab. Why can't I do it at home?
Yes, be faking. I don't have ADHD because I can
do it in this environment and not in this environment like
faking. But that's not so true.
It's so real. Yeah.
And it's, yeah. And as and I don't have an
answer. Like, that's the thing.
That sucks is like, I do I have the same exact thing.
It's like, oh well, I'm working in someone else's shop.
I have to keep it nice like, oh, you know, I'm working here and
then you get home and you're like, why can't I put the thread
away at Burke but I can. Yeah, like social social
pressure is a big motivator novel environments, like I was
just reading reason was the other day of like ADHD symptoms.
One can fluctuate from day to day and too They are less in
novel environments. So like if you're going to a
doctor to get tested for ADHD, your symptoms are going to be
less because it's a new environment and your brain is
like, who knew things? Dopamine norepinephrine.
So yeah, if you're in a new environment, you might find
that. It's a lot easier to do the
things then then in your, like, normal everyday environment.
Where everything is boring. Yeah.
Okay, I'm sorry. Oh, no, I just, it's, I think
thinking about like low arousal Theory which Anybody live, I
video on it, but anybody listening wasn't seen that video
basically people with ADHD have lower levels of dopamine and
norepinephrine are headed any given time.
And so we're constantly seeking the little bursts of dopamine
that happened when we basically experience new stimulus and so
we're constantly seeking new and novel things to get that
dopamine burst to try to bring our dopamine back to its normal
levels and that can be stimming. That can be like like erratic
like paying attention to the thing that's happening outside.
Just constantly like searching scanning.
For new information, I'm talking to somebody who's very educated
in Neuroscience. So I hope I didn't flow of any
that but but understanding that has helped me, understand so
many different little things that like if not not knowing
about low arousal Theory, seemed sort of disjointed but knowing
that sort of puts them all in the same context.
Like why is it that when I go to a novel situation?
My ADHD systems symptoms are less like well because that new
stimulus is given its provided. It's par for the course you
already are in a place. That is saturated with new and
novel stimulus. Whereas when I'm in a place that
I am frequently like this room, my ADHD symptoms are the worst
day ever are because I'm familiar with every part, like,
I have to constantly be creating that new stimulus and so, yeah,
it's in school. Like every, every new year like
September, you were like, yeah, I'm organized, I'm ready.
I'm going to attack this and like, but then throughout the
year, like your organization and your unreasonable looks cool.
Yeah, I think I just need the connection now out.
As you were talking. I was like that's because every
new school year is like that new novel environment, a new
classroom, new classmates, new schedule are.
Yeah. I can literally track that.
Like I save planners like, that's a thing that I've done
for like a long time as I've saved my planners because like
it's kind of fun to, like, go back and just be like, oh like
what was I doing on Thursday? On, you know, may 2006 and being
like, Oh, I was like studying for an exam or whatever, but
like I can trace that it like I have proof of that because it's
like my first month of school. It's like beautiful boxes and
like everything in like bullet journaling and like and then
it's like, you get to like December and I'm just like
history paper. Like like that's so funny that I
like, it's so weird whenever I talk to another person with ADHD
because I always feel like I must be the only person who has
ever experienced this. And then it's like, no.
It's all of us. It's just literally every single
one of us. It's fine, it's wild.
It's so valuable. Today, I love it.
I love that. I'm connecting with so many more
ADHD people and we're all just like, yeah, me too.
Yeah, me too. It's mm.
It's really freeing. You know, like it's like you
like, I don't know if you've had this experience but like I've
genuinely had the experience of like not feeling as ashamed
anymore. Like I've I'm learning to ask
for help and I'm learning like, it's okay.
That my house doesn't look like a magazine, but it works for me
and that's okay. And like that, that's something
that I think is so, Valuable, that has come out of this
experience, but it's also weird. Because at the same time, I feel
like people are like the one look like looking at me.
And being like, well, you clearly have your shit together
and I'm like, no. No, I'm Lauren, I'm here.
Learning, with all of you. Like, this is, I'm not, I'm just
figuring my shit out as I go. Yeah.
Like I think I feel like I
haven't pushed an ADHD tip video in a while.
So I'm sort of like, you know what?
Actually I'm just going to show people like what this actually
looks like. Like I am to also this way and
it's okay. Like, I think I think that's
equally valuable like, I mean, I'm grateful to weld the two of
you frankly and all the people that I've interacted with
because they've provided for me. That's a me.
Yeah, that same experience that. I'm hopefully providing to them,
that we are hopefully providing for them.
It's a big little bit little bit.
So it's community and I love it and I'm stuttering that was
really good end to the podcast though.
Good job. Eric you nailed it?
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Thank you so much for having me. I had a blast.
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