Eric, I can't stop Piper fixating on chef knives, please.
Help me chefs knives. I what are you?
What are you looking at? I I want to get like cuz I just
realized I'm an adult and you are all of the knives that I own
except for the one that I bought at Ikea for seven dollars are
like either got them in a box at an auction or like a dollar or I
got them at the Goodwill and so I have decided that I want to
buy fancy chef knives, but it's like overwhelming.
And I'm also like one of those people who's like, I have to buy
the exact, right? Perfect.
The best of the best of the best of the best one.
And there are a shocking number of chef knives and types and
Kai. I'm becoming like a weird.
Like I know a lot about chef knives.
Now, that's cool. I'm so for, when I got some
recommendations, I would get, I think a boost off.
I would answer is looking at. I was looking at We start for a
Shoon, I would get away style. Especially the 8-inch icon.
That's what I was looking at. Yeah, I need inch.
I would get it. Yeah, I wasn't gonna need an
inch and 10 inch. Also, Bailey.
Can you choose this moment to be really loud?
Thank you. I think you'd like an 8 inch in
a six-inch better. Detaches are better for just if
you're doing like really long cuts.
Like if you're butchering like something or slicing portions of
fish. We watch the chef's table and
I'm going to culinary school. Go get a new stuff.
They've got really like cool. Mccandles, they feel kind of
fancy but they're still there like upper range mid-tier
because if you got like a really nice knife was really hard to
maintain their only really nice if you maintain them.
Super, well, that was way I like the shooting because you pay a
little bit more, but you can just send it to them whenever
you want. Obviously.
We'll fix your shit for you or like sharpener over.
That's pretty. Apparently they have like,
legendary customer service. Also, check out Dow voir.
Daa. Daa.
Daa. 0vu a. I found one that I desperately
want, but it is illogically. Until like it's irresponsibly
expensive but the but the the the the Block it's not like a
knife block. It's like you set the knives
like against it. And so it's like I could always
see where they are and always have been like Visual and you
know exactly which is literally one of the most expensive knife
sets that you can buy. Yeah, I will guess we move
Bailey. No, you know what?
No, it's dumb mouth is well, even I would get choked
seriously, check out delve. What it's this Korean company,
they, they salvaged leaf springs from Um cars which are made of
high carbon steel. So are avocados always has to be
high carbon steel. Is that on the on the fucking?
Portage in fire. Yeah, exactly.
And so they salvaged that and then they, for some reason
tonight. It's like this small company in
Korea and they're really nice high carbon steel knives, but
they're not very expensive because they salvaged the parts
and they make the handles out of like local wood and stuff like
that. So it's like a knife.
That's a really good knife, but it's not very expensive because
they salvaged the parts and it's got a really cool story and
there's videos of them like making it.
And it's literally just like a bunch of like Barefoot, dudes
with like a wood. For example, it's just like the
most old school old school. Bullshit ever, and it was, it's
really tonight. You can really be proud of.
So, I mean, I was like, why couldn't I have gone with mostly
knives? And that made people had sent me
knives. Hi everybody.
I forgot that we're doing a podcast.
Eric, I read a cool thing. Would you rewrite it?
So, okay. This is actually really
interesting. So, hold on.
I gotta turn towards my computer and also move my microphone so
people can hear me because you keep yelling at me about sound.
Uh, it's also the United Kingdom adult ADHD Network which you can
abbreviate as you can, which I the UK a, a and published Act
like three days ago, a consensus statement.
We love those. I know we love an ADHD
contestant consensus statement, but this one Eric is
particularly interesting. And so I would like to pitch you
a science, a science up, not even a size episode, but just
like a very generative article episode.
Yeah, sure said, okay. Absolutely.
Let's they put the title of, it is University students with
attention deficit. Hyperactivity disorder, a
consensus statement from the UK adult, ADHD Network, so
Basically, the article is about the experience of University,
students living with ADHD, specifically in the UK and they
break it down further where they look at, like, like England and
Ireland, like separately, and there's like a cool pie chart
and so it's really interesting but there's like this one
really, really, really interesting part, and it's kind
of long, but I feel like I really want to read you.
The whole thing. Is that okay?
Yeah, please, it's important to the story.
Okay. I'm gonna move my microphone
again. This is really good by casting.
Okay, ADHD and intellectual giftedness.
Hmm. I know, already the relevance of
intellectual giftedness to University students with ADHD
was considered by the expert group.
The expert group is like the people doing the study
intellectual giftedness is another contested concept.
Variously defined as exceptional intellectual ability, academic
Talent OR highwomen. Potential Learners with
concurrent traits of creativity, curiosity effort, and
self-motivation. Intellectual giftedness is
referance tin. The Canadian ADHD practice
guidelines, and this is interesting but not in the DSM-5
or icd-11 or other clinical guidelines.
Research suggests that intellectual giftedness can
either overshadow or compensate for attention difficulties or
the behaviors associated with ADHD can overshadow trade of
intellectual giftedness and that students with both ADHD and
intellectual giftedness can be difficult to identify or
assessed using standardized measures and observational
checklists. It continues.
The coexistence of ADHD. In intellectually gifted
individuals including University students is controversial which
I thought was interesting, the theories of positive descent
disintegration and a synchronous development development.
Oh my God. Have both been used to
understand various aspects of intellectual giftedness and
students with ADHD important areas of current research,
include the potential, misdiagnosis of intellectual
giftedness as ADHD, and the Occurrence of ADHD and
intellectual giftedness as a dual diagnosis.
You can get diagnosed with intellectual giftedness.
Oh, well, wait, hold on, it's good.
They go on. I told you.
This is like, four paragraphs. I'm, this is really just want to
read the whole thing, intellectual giftedness in
students with ADHD is thought to be under identified, by parents,
Educators psychologists, and Physicians.
Brown a towel, our boy Brown in Samoa Thomas.
C Brown. Yep, nice reported.
That adults with Scores in and above Superior range, have often
sought evaluation and treatment for chronic difficulties with
organizing their work, excessive procrastination in consistent
effort, excessive forgetfulness, and a lack of etiquette adequate
Focus for school and or employment they question whether
they might have an attention deficit disorder, but often they
have been told by Educators and clinicians that their Superior
intelligence precludes them. Having ADHD, basically your
coupons Matty to fucking familiar.
I'm smart a bit each day. There's more intellectual
giftedness does not preclude having ADHD, which I love that
they just like they're like big and bold is that the thesis
statement of that of that paragraph?
Yeah. It's just like that's how they
open. And in some University, students
with ADHD. It could mitigate some deficits
in executive function and allow them to flourish academically or
go on and have successful careers.
Some authors propose that a degree of autism.
Could Foster a special talent in gifted individuals, including
With ADHD other authors, warned that intellectual giftedness may
only be a protective factor for students with ADHD.
Wait for it during their pre 18. School years.
This may change when they transition into higher education
where self-directed learning becomes an essential academic
skill and when challenges such as living away from a structured
home environment, or needing to be more organized and
precipitate, a worsening of ADHD symptoms and significant levels
of impairment, start to emerge. Judge, these issues.
Fuck this study. These issues may become more
apparent in postgraduate students who are selected based
on their undergraduate academic achievements.
Empirical studies between 2000 and 2014 about the
identification misdiagnosis and dual diagnosis of intellectual
giftedness and ADHD were reviewed by mullet and Rin by
blah. But from this review, traits of
intellectual giftedness versus ADHD have been compiled for the
purposes of clarity. These are listed in table 3.
Hello, so I read you. Please table 3, please.
Penis award picture. Hold on, I have to click on it.
Okay, indicators of ADHD, him boredom, daydreaming and
attentional difficulties in. Multiple domains into indicators
of intellectual giftedness boredom daydreaming and
attentional difficulties, unchallenging learning
environment. Okay.
So for the, there's like, six of these.
I'm going to do the ADHD one first and then the intellectual
giftedness after, okay. So just ADHD, then gifted.
All right. Section six, eight HD low
tolerance for tasks or activities.
That seemed irrelevant giftedness low tolerance for
tasks or activities that seem irrelevant ADHD extended periods
of time spent on topics of self-interest.
If to this extended periods of time, spent on topics of
self-interest Interest, ADHD discrepancies, between
intellectual physical emotional, and Social Development
intellectual giftedness discrepancies, between
intellectual logical and emotional and Social
Development. Moment 8hd emotional intensity
may lead to power struggles with authority.
Giftedness has the same. I'm not going there.
All nearly identical 88 in this one is different pull.
ADHD poor. Impulse control may cause
difficulties adhering to rules regulations customs and
traditions. Intellectual giftedness
questions or challenging rules, regulations Customs or
Traditions, ADHD High activity levels.
That Is Random rather than goal-directed restlessness
problems with sleep. Giftedness activity levels, that
is focused and directed. It restlessness may need less
sleep ADHD tendency to guess incorrect answers.
When responds impulsively to questions intellectual go to
this tendency to answer correctly when responding
impulsively, two questions. And lastly ADHD difficulties
regulating or in Hibbing, behavior, and social context,
prone to social problems, and struggles, and social
relationships, giftedness prone to social problems and struggles
and social relationship. Wow.
Jesus will realize I just read to you for a really long time.
But no, that's really what I mean for one.
I won't point out if you have ADHD, doesn't mean you're super
smart. And if you're super smart, that
doesn't mean you have ADHD, they're separate things.
Even though it was well. Yeah, that's what this study is
saying, right? Is that a lot of times like
because like giftedness is something that like and you
know, then we get into questions like what is gifted.
How are you gifted whatever I was a super nebulous earlier,
but there is some unifying things in terms.
Of like academically in some ways academic success, but also
like they talked about the creativity problem-solving like
creative thinking adaptability self-motivation, that kind of
stuff was kind of falls into this like, you know, gifted kid.
Pile of stuff. But like, so, what they're
talking about is you have to look at whether a kid is, you
know, intellectually, gifted academically, gifted, whatever
term, you want to ascribe to it. Because that can dramatically
inform how their ADHD shows up, but also simply being
intellectually gifted for some kids can mimic the symptoms of
ADHD and can lead to either a Miss diagnosis or a
misdiagnosis. Oh, yeah.
Sure. A mist and misdiagnosis in the
same Zone because it was super fucking fascinating.
It is, I mean, we'll 441 those those those lists that you just
read off those both sound to me like symptoms.
Yes. They sound like you in probably
a lot of you listening, but those those sound to me like
symptoms of chronic boredom. Basically.
Yeah, like, if you are a chronically board, then those
symptoms arise. I guess the question is, are you
chronically board? Because this is, you know,
you're just super smart. All this is just easy for you or
you chronically board. No matter what's happening
because you have a chance. T this a, for us a couple
circumstances. Well, it is also one of those, I
mean, just based on. I'm sorry.
I keep talking over your please, please.
Please. Make a feelings about this.
Please go for it. Go for it.
No, you go. You go first.
Well, I was going to kind of embark on because this is one of
those things where very often it seems like there are sort of two
sides of ADHD experience, you know, two kinds of idiots.
Be experiences over time, and I think you and I very frequently
fall. On the different, you know,
opposite sides of that River, like, swear for me.
I basically thought I was dirt stupid for like a large portion
of my life until eventually in class.
I realized, like, wait a minute. I'm acing.
All these tests. Like, it's not not bad at
learning and knowing stuff. I'm bad at some other set of
things that I'd like to know. And that's when I started my
ADHD, diagnosis Journey when I was around 15 because my, I
mean, I don't want to say that I was gifted but Like people told
me I was kept it after a certain point and it definitely seems
like the fact that I thought, you know, I think I'm pretty
smart. All of that was definitely
What's the word detracted? That was all diminished?
Yeah, because of my ADHD where I think you you always exceeded
very well in school because you're such a smart cookie, but
in that shielded your ADHD diagnosis.
So for so for me the fact that I wasn't doing well is what
illuminated my ADHD to me or what I, they eventually learned
to be my ADHD. Whereas for you the fact that
you were able to, you know, force white-knuckle your way
through it sort of hid your ADHD for me which led to a later
diagnosis. Don't want to put words in your
mouth. But it seems like that's kind of
I mean, well the thing that I think is like the reason why I'm
so fascinated by this is because basically like that's just like
the first part of it. But basically, they introduced
this idea of giftedness and then they basically go on to say like
the hope the article is about how do we deal with University
students? Right?
And basically like what the study is arguing is like it has
to be an individual basis. There is no one right way to
have ADHD. There is no one right way to you
know treat ADHD and there is no one unifying ADHD experience,
which I think is really important.
That's really important to contextualize.
But the thing that I think I was the most sort of shook with
about was the fact, like exactly what you just said.
I got told over and over and over that I couldn't possibly
have ADHD because I was doing so great in school and it wasn't
ADHD. I was just bored.
And so this idea of boredom, Came very like Central in my
life. And this is a this is a very
embarrassing story, but I will tell it to you.
He's so when I was in grad school, which by the way, this
is not something you should ever do in grad school.
If you are, if you are in grad school, and you're experiencing
this, please don't do what I did because it's humiliating, and I
would like, to formally apologize to dr.
Paul Mentor, for the time that I did this.
I assume you listened to my pocket podcast.
What's up? What's up?
Dr. Mother?
Okay. Anyway, so one time I'm my first
year of grad school. I never done grad school before
and I didn't really know what it was like, you know, like I'm
learning. I'm learning about the
environment or whatever, but a big part of grad school is like
you, you have to be self-motivated like you have to
be doing the research and figuring it out and like doing,
you know, 95% of the work on your own.
Nobody told me that. And I had been very used to even
like in college just breezing, just like breathing through,
because it's like, I would get the syllabus on.
First day and for a lot of college classes, I would just do
all of the work in the first week.
They be like, learn this stuff, and you're fun.
Yeah, and I'd be like, great cool checklist done, but grad
school. There isn't a checklist because
like the goal is that you're like honing and focusing and
narrowing and whatever, so like you're supposed to do the work.
So I went to the head of the programs office and I was like,
I'm bored. He's like Wyatt, and I was like,
I'm bored. I'm so bored.
This isn't your post-grad. This is poke.
This is this, my first Histogram, I went to his office
and I was like, I'm bored. I need more.
I need more to do. These classes aren't
challenging. Like I'm very bored.
What do I do? And he was like, and he was very
nice. We had a lovely like, forty five
minute meeting of him just being lovely and supportive and, like,
nodding and like, you know, like reassuring.
But basically, it was like, have you considered doing more work,
like just to go. The book dumbass basically, but
in the nicest way possible, but like, but even then, like I
realize now like looking back that was my ADHD that wasn't
actual boredom. That was me being listless.
That was me not having a direction.
That was me needing to find Focus but because I had been
told over and over and over that because things were inherently
easy for me that it wasn't anything having to do with ADHD.
It was just boredom from being not like, Stimulated enough
intellectually, it sounded so fucking pretentious.
I'm sorry, but but that's what I got told to like.
That's what I learned. Like.
That was the terminology. But what I was actually doing
was I was going to you know, the the head of the program's office
and being like I have ADHD and I need help but I didn't know
that. That's what I was asking.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
I mean, it's kind of interesting
because you're eating up until that point you had already has
had like a bread crumb thing laid out.
Front of you are like somebody gave you a puzzle that you could
then like dial in on. But at that point, it's like you
got to find your own puzzles. You gotta find your own
whatever. And you didn't know that.
That was the case. Yeah, like so just like
wandering around like like, you know, because I because the
thing was is like you get the syllabus for the classes and so
I still doing the same thing but his graduate work like it's all
supposed to be like, just to get everybody on the same page when
you, you know, and then you go forth from there, but nobody
told me there was like the go fourth component.
So I was just like done with all the Reading and I was like,
well, what do I do now? And they were like read more.
What? So yeah, what happened after
that? Meaning, like after that point,
now that you knew that was it like the golden ticket.
Now that you knew that all of a sudden you're like.
Oh, I just gotta find my own shit.
I mean, it was it still a process.
I mean, honestly, I'm not proud of how I handle it.
Like I'm not gonna lie because my response was because at that
point my systems were also like because of the stress of grad
school because right grad school is a lot more.
Work. Then, you know college like a
lot of my systems word evolving. And so one of the things that I
ran into was I just overextended my time.
I got involved in everything. So I was like costume designing
and I did all the photography for the Department for like all
three years that I was there. So I was like photographing
every shows during the headshots for the program.
I was like, you know, working in the in the costume shop.
Like I was directing I was I was in more directing scenes than
anybody else had ever been. In in, in the program, like I
was just constantly overextending myself because it
was just giving me stuff to do. But I still wasn't necessarily
scratching the itch because all of it was and I know how
pretentious the sounds, but it was all not difficult.
It was time. It wasn't like intellectual
effort. You know, what are you bluffing
Bailey? This is Hawaii.
Just also and point out. This is the very first episode
of recorded with Bailey in the room and she's being so, she's
being good. She's learning.
But, but yeah, so like so that's what I did.
But then that led to a massive cycle of burnout that led to
like I was exhausted and stressed and it was like really,
really difficult and so like looking back.
I wish I had actually taken the advice and said, okay.
This is the time to learn. This is the time to learn more
rather than saying. Well, I know everything, I don't
have to learn, I'm just going to go design costumes or whatever.
Well, I mean and your defense or to your credit I suppose.
Well, I think you did take the advice.
I don't think taking advice is like Something that just like
happens. I think taking advice is often a
process and I think you started that process of taking that
about Fort. We're well frankly figuring out
what that advice. Actually was.
I think you started that process.
Yeah, clearly very well. Yeah, or at least seemingly very
well. I want to put words in your
mouth. But okay, so I just heard about
myself or forever, but I want to I want to hear about you because
I think like you're right, like you're the exact opposite side
of the spectrum where you like, I went, you know, the the being
good at school overshadowed. ADHD, but you were the opposite.
Yeah, like what was that experience?
Like, well, so I guess for some context.
So growing up, I grew up in Connecticut.
There is this program in my school district, my school
system called academically talented, and I really feel like
it's important to clarify straight up that intellectual
giftedness as a concept is just the most loosely defined.
Like, I don't think there's one way to be intellectually gifted.
So I like I struggle with it. I struggle with Look, she's
like, I'm terrible at math, but I can fucking so you anything, I
can build you anything, right? Exactly.
Not like so, but however that concept is one that's thrown
around a lot. So I think it's necessary to to
address that concept, even though I think it's a in a
perfect world. We wouldn't have a, we wouldn't
even have a term for intellectual giftedness.
Everybody would just be what they are.
But here we are. So anyways, there was this Cloud
program called academically talented that you were tested
for in fifth grade. My brother's two years old isn't
two and a half years older than me.
I didn't do it from a very young age.
I was very aware of who was in this program because during a
certain part of every class day, certain kids would be taken out
of class to go to some, you know, to fucking Narnia or
whatever. To go, do, academically Talent
stuff and I always figured I would get in.
As I was like, I'm a smart guy. Like, I was a kid at the time
and I was already crafting, like a motherfucker, like I had a
whole, you know, I just figured I was, I must be smart.
So I got tested in fifth grade for this or Got evaluated or
whatever you want to call it and I didn't get it.
And that was one of it took me years to like on to realize this
because I had sort of blocked it out.
But I think that was one of the more traumatic experiences or
the most impactful traumatic experiences that I had ever been
through in my life. Like, I can still feel myself
like dealing with the repercussions of that day in
fifth grade now. So anyways, that day happened.
I like refused to leave my room. Home for like a while.
I like, I'd literally wouldn't go to school, like, short of
grabbing me and forcing me under the bus.
I wouldn't go to school, which I think they eventually my parents
eventually did not like violently.
But like, you know, you could have to go to school.
But and so from then, so that was about 10 to about 14.
I just figured the results are in.
I am dirt fucking stupid. Like I'm dirt, fucking stupid.
And now those were dark times that was that was sixth, seventh
and into eighth grade. And then Midway through eighth
grade. I had this teacher in.
Mr. Jenner. Oh, what's up?
Anthony? Gendreau has it.
Go on your great. He was a science teacher.
And in that class. I started realizing a little lot
of things that were seemingly very hard for other kids.
We're not very hard for me. Like he would just sort of go up
and say some stuff and I'd be like, okay, and then I would
keep doodling, or whatever and I would just ace all the tests
never do my homework, but that was the first time when I
realized, like, wait a minute. Not like I might I'm not a great
student. Like that's just true, but I'm
not dumb, you know, like I was bad at other things, don't pick
wrong. But like, at least in certain
areas, I seem to be at a higher percentage.
Like, I'm pretty good at this and that's when I realized there
was something else going on and that's when I started my sort of
Journey of eventually getting diagnosed with ADHD.
It still took to issue years after that to eventually get
diagnosed. But either way, we're for you, I
think. Think your ADHD was hidden by
your your academic aptitude. Mine was eventually highlight,
what I realized that, you know, yeah, actually wait a minute.
I'm pretty smart and it took me until that moment.
When I realized that, you know, it was easier to explain what.
I now realize were the symptoms of my ADHD.
If I just assumed I was stupid, you know, the reason I don't do
my homework is because I'm stupid.
The reason I have trouble paying attention to the lectures
because I'm stupid. It was just a simpler
explanation. Plus, I didn't get this fucking
program. So, like, on paper, I'm stupid,
but I lost my train of thought. Excuse me.
Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. Oh my gosh.
Oh, I'm so once I got diagnosed with ADHD that that was a big
revelatory moment because I realized both of these things
can be true. I can be gifted in certain areas
in still suck on paper at them. You know, it's still not do any
of my homework and Ace the test and all that stuff.
And when I started realizing like wait a minute like, you
know, I'm gifted in areas just like everyone else.
I started focusing not more in school.
I was always Always a garbage fucking student, but I knew if I
paid attention Loosely in class. I could Ace the test and just
not do any of the homework and then eventually teachers, like
would pull me out after class. And I this, I this is arrogant,
but this is just for the sake of the story.
I was in my junior year in high school math class.
It was coming to the end of the semester.
My teacher was named a woman in Miss Comiskey, who literally
wrote The Textbook that we were studying out of she was a
amazing, sure. She held me after class during a
last like, two weeks of school. And she said, Eric frankly,
you're one of the most gifted students in this class, You're
one of the most gifted mathematicians in this class.
She called me a mathematician at the time.
I was, I thought it was going to be and she said, if you can do
all of the homework that you've missed by Friday, I'll give you
like 70 percent credit on it. And so, I did.
And that's what I did with every class, basically, because the
teachers would see something in means, will they would let me do
that. I spent all that time that I
wasn't doing homework trying to stimulate myself in other areas
and that's when I started making Miniatures a lot.
That's when I started experimenting with materials and
I sort of became a builder of things I suppose.
But either way, I definitely think my assumption that I was
not well that I was dumb mask to my ADHD for quite a while
because it was just an easier explanation, I suppose.
Yeah, or is it in fact, it was intellectual giftedness Mast
with rampant. Absolutely brutal ADHD.
But ultimately, that was the, that was the Saving Grace of it
because, you know, it's hard to recognize a disease.
If there are no symptoms and lucky for me.
My symptoms were very prevalent and was like, wait a minute.
I'm actually pretty smart. Why is all this so hard for me?
Whereas, for you, your symptoms were much more subtle because
you were good at school. So, you got the whole bullshit.
You're too smart to have ADHD were, as with me.
They're like, You're smart and you suck at school.
You must have ADHD which as much as that hurt at the time and
grateful for because at least it got recognized reasonably early
and I could know that about myself.
I mean, one of one of the hardest things I think about.
Like my my oh, I'm gonna talk for longer than three minutes.
Okay. That's why.
I mean, the problem is, is I never get to talk about this.
Like, I never get to address. This, the very specific
frustration of everything being easy because it makes me sound
like an asshole. You know, it's like, oh my God,
my life is so hard. School was easy, and I was
bored, you know, but like one of the worst things for me as
somebody with ADHD, is that feeling of boredom.
And so for me, it like, like our experiences are very different
but like, in a lot of ways, like I absolutely relate to your
experience because I just kept feeling like I was doing
something wrong. I just kept feeling like, there
was something inherently wrong with me because I can't get, you
know, because I would get straight A's and it would be
easy, and I wouldn't have to try and I would be bored all the
time, but then I would get in trouble for being bored or I
would get in trouble for not paying attention or I would get
in trouble for doodling and soul.
I think like that's, you know, like I know that we're not
saying impostor syndrome anymore.
But like that was where my sense of like feeling inadequate and
feeling like there was something like sort of intrinsically wrong
with me because I was like, why is it easy?
Why is it so easy? Like what is it like to be
challenged? And so the places where I found
challenge were like Shakespeare like Shakespeare was the first
time that I really like had to try really hard where I I had to
work where I had to like invest time and energy and like
emotional. Expenditure into it.
And and that was one of the, I think that's one of the reasons
why I still love it, but it I get so like that's the reason
why I love this study so much. The reason why I like bringing
it back around to the point that we were making with this episode
is that I love that they address that they addressed the idea
that like if like every kid with ADHD is different, every person
with ADHD is different and those students are going to come from
different backgrounds or coming to University from different
backgrounds. And so like if Eric comes to
University and are come The university, you know, not having
been in the gifted program, but is exceptionally gifted in
different ways. You can apply that and you can
use that to support him and you know, support his ADHD and
provide him adequate support. So, like for you, you might need
extra time to like, do the reading but like Also, let's
enroll you in, you know, like the metal working class because
it will give you, you know, the brain scratchy whereas, you
know, if Kate and roles in University like Okay, we need to
make sure that like she's getting enough reading like
she's getting the structure that she needs to succeed.
And so I think like one of the most important things in this
conversation is going back to what you said.
Like, there's no one right way to be gifted.
There's no one right way to have ADHD like you are one of the
most incredible crafters and incredible Builders and
intelligent, people that I have ever had the pleasure to meet
but like, alright. Yes, I you know like and that's
fine. You know, like that's where my
strengths lie. That's where your strength by.
And so like this idea that like giftedness has to look a certain
way that ADHD has to look a certain way and that, you know,
their shame or guilt or embarrassment wrapped up in the
experience of either feeling like, you know, you aren't
intelligent or feeling like there's like shame or guilt in
that feeling of boredom. I think it all fundamentally
comes down to what the study is trying to say, which is the
Consensus is that there's no consensus, you have to work with
each student. And that is how you wind up with
a fulfilled and healthy and like, emotionally supported
person who is working with their ADHD and not against it.
Mic drop. Yeah, I have.
No, I've not. That's yep.
I'm not gonna water that down by saying stuff after it except for
this apparently. Well, we do have to do a patreon
song. We do.
Yes, as we're caught up now, we are caught up on the patreon.
So let's do patreon song. You want to do a sound
recording? Yeah, let's do it.
Okay. We'll be right back after this.
Musical break Ernie, Ernie. We're gonna get a new song
Someday. You ready?
Okay. Well, hey everybody.
Hey, that's it for this episode of infinite Quest.
Hope it made sense. I don't feel like I made very
much sense at all. But it's fine.
Also, we have a patreon. It's patreon.com slash infinite
Quest sir. I saw the look in your eyes when
you were like, you're about to pass it to me and I just didn't
say anything that flies it. So we have a picture, is
patreon.com slash a quest? We're going to do here is we're
gonna we're gonna we're gonna do the traditional patreon song,
which is where we think nobody. Don't we thank our new patrons
for the week and we put your name into a fun song.
And so if you want to have your name in a fun and questionably,
good song a song of questionable quality every week.
You can do that by signing up at patreon.com slash infinite
Quest. Hey, Katie, the perfect is the
enemy. He's a good.
Okay, that's true saying also we have a number of episodes that
we record and then afterwards we're like wait, we were kind of
just like riffing the whole. Yeah, it was Framed Roger Rabbit
who sent Goose only, that's not a real episode, but we still
have them. And so we've decided we're going
to start posting episodes. Secret Lost episode Secret Lost
episodes on the patreon, which are all the episodes.
We've recorded so far that we thought were just too much of
us. Riffing and not enough
substance. But also we're going to start
recording. Every once in a while, like
bonus episodes of us just hanging out doing whatever
probably talking ADHD may be playing some music.
I don't know, but those look start getting posted on the
patreon starting now. Well, starting last week,
because we put the musical, our secret musical episode.
That's right up on patreon. So if you want to check it out,
go over there and join and then you can listen to what is quite,
possibly. The worst episode we've ever
done. I loved it.
I've listened to it like three times.
It makes me so happy. Yeah, it's fine.
And that I like I really like the beginning where it's at.
It really sounded like we were going to do something it really
did. But okay, here's this week's
song. Here we go.
Ready? Yeah.
Oh wait, I forgot to say the other thing.
We finally updated our tour schedule for the the summer.
So if you want to see us live in a place and, you know, high-five
us, give us fruit snacks, whatever you might want to do,
go to Nikolas. Podcast.com I forgot the name of
the website. Infinite Quest, podcast, kotik.
Oh my God, if it Quest podcast.com and click on tour.
We got all the information. We're going to be going to about
like one Convention of month. So we got time to come home.
Quarantine keep everybody safe, all that good stuff.
But yeah, so you can go check it out.
But anyway, here's the song that I keep saying we're going to do
and then we don't but that's not how it goes.
Billy does not like that. Hey Morgan.
Thank you for being a patron of art patreon.
We thank you Morgan. Eric is riffing on the harmonica
and it's making me really nervous.
Ah, sorry. Katie.
I guess I'll take the vocal tract.
So I don't have to blow into this year, mouth harp.
That's what they're called. By the way.
Thank you for being you know, your Patron is what allows us to
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I just said, Tic, Tac could my breath smells.
Nobody noticed now. They did also.
Hey, thank you Becca. We really appreciate you being
here. You didn't opt for the one-time
payment. So we'll see you once a month
for a year. Hey, thank you.
Becca. And Jennifer and Morgan are
three new patrons this week. But if we don't end the song
with a traditional patreon joke, that would be really weak.
So thank you. Sarah Huff Huff.
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everybody on our Tree on. There's 237 of you who have got
it going on. Thank you all.
Thank you to all our patrons are forgiven us.
The resource ailsa. We
You said you have an actual you went to Conservatory.
I'm gonna call Jacob Collier and tell him that you did that.
That's what I'm gonna do. Be prepared to get 37.
Beautiful harmonies through, tickle your skin and turn it
into a masterpiece behalf. Flat everybody from all of us
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Thank you for listening. We really appreciate it.
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