Hey everybody, it's me. Katie azureus and welcome back
to infinite Quest. We are so excited about this
week's episode. Like the thing that they don't
tell you what, having a podcast is that sometimes you get to
just casually, send an email to one of your personal Heroes and
icons and they will email you back and say yes I would love to
be on your podcast and that is precisely what happened this
week. We have not Neary activist
actor, best-selling author, tedtalk, give her all around
incredible, human being Jeffrey, Marsh with us this week and I am
freaking out. However before we get to their
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Let's start the show transition. Hi everybody.
Welcome to infinite Quest this week on the show.
We have the incomparable. Jeffrey Marsh.
I'm freaking out. If you don't know who they are
clearly, you never were on Vine, uh, back in the day, back in the
day. But Jeffrey, thank you so much
for being here. Do you want to just like,
introduce yourself? Give yourself the give a little
bit of background about yourself and then we can start the show.
Show. Well I mean you covered the
important party which was I was famous on Vine I don't know.
I mean I think I was the most prominent, I might have been the
only out non-binary person On fight to begin with anyway and
about eventually led to writing a book, being the first
non-binary person to talk about it on national television and My
well, I hope we'll have a chance to talk about what's next for
you Jeffrey because there's exciting things about.
Okay. Oh, man, now, I want to ask the
question immediately say that will save it till the end be
like, it'll be a cliffhanger. Okay.
Well, okay. So, actually you just sort of
taught touch on my very first question that I wanted to ask,
which was you very much one of the the first non-binary people
to be sort of like social media. Tia Inge.
And so, my first question is to part, which is how, you know,
it's going to be a straightforward interview is one
what was it like when vine got Santos?
Like what was that like for you? Like what was that experience?
Like like just like, you know, well I dares we we can't talk
about it without talking about hate.
Yeah. Yeah.
And how back of then back of that and then my day whenever
that was 2012, right? It was basically the wild west.
I mean, now being famous on Tic-Tac and being famous on
Instagram. Most well, Twitter to why not
throw it all in there. There are algorithms that weed
out some of the most hateful stuff.
Yeah, but I wasn't true on buying and I remember a
specific. Can I tell you a short story?
Please tell this is an ADHD podcast.
That's all we do. Is we just go off on circuit and
and so you're fine. Um, so I did a vine For the
Fourth of July, where I was the Statue of Liberty and I was
dancing on my New York City Rooftop and it was amazing and
went viral. Why I got this series of
comments on Vine the comments. This is true on Tick-Tock by the
way as well. The comments are limited to a
certain number of characters. Mmm.
Kind of like a tweeted. Yeah and I on Vienna I got a
series. So this person in short bursts
told me. Gosh, how they were going to
find me, what kind of gun they were going to use to kill me
where the bullet would enter my body and all the sort of stuff
that was really obsessive story. They had crafted, oh my God and
decided to share. And I remember that being a
choice point where I could either I could continue knowing
that that was going to be part of the picture and was that
important to me or I could stop making content and I chose to
keep going. Well, I'm certainly glad you
did. Thank you, you know, eventually
the algorithms will get better and the, you know, the apps
would get better at weeding out the hate.
But still there's hay and still it's worth it because of the
people I get to meet and talk to ya.
Are you going to put that in my pocket for a sad day?
Actually, I wanted the one of my first questions that I wanted to
ask you was or it's not really a question.
It's just a commendation is that I've been watching your
tick-tocks lately and you've been getting some really shitty
comments on on Tick Tock to wait.
But like but honestly though honestly sure the grace and
compassion and kindness by which you like just shut down the
trolls like I was like I want to be like this person when I grow.
I how did you learn how to do that?
It will. I went to live in a Buddhist
Monastery. That's the short version.
Longer version is when dealing with comments like that I'm not
responding to the comment. I'm having a different
conversation. Altogether about what hate is,
where it is, how it works. So I'm talking to my people.
Yeah, my community, my family online about this hate comment,
and usually, with that feature, which I think is actually a
lovely feature on Tick Tock where you can directly respond
to a comment that future. Is usually used to, you know,
get sassy with the person who commented and I don't know,
choose to have a different. Have a different approach and I
get ya, obviously people are responding to it.
So it's just like wonderful. I just wanted to say that
because I like, I like, I don't know, like it's where you can.
I have my favorites to make those videos.
Yeah, I mean I really like the comment replies.
Oh, you know but it's weird because like the same thing has
happened to me were like, somebody comes in and they say
something so hurtful. Like I wonder if like you know
because I know that your Buddhist and so like you have
this like beautiful background of like I don't know, being a
good person but like do you ever have that moment of just like
all this butter fucker and then do you have to like pre through
that or like at this point have you like become like just you
can just give that love freely without having that moment
first? Well, give love freely, notice
who I'm giving love to the people who are watching that
video. Yeah, a lot of people hold up,
you know, you have to love your haters.
I don't know. That's a Christian idea or
something. I'm not sure where it came from
and it's not. I don't necessarily shoot for
that. I don't want to become best
friends with somebody who thinks I should be dead grabs.
Yeah, the baby died. And that's not what you're
saying, obviously. You know, people can hold that
as an ideal and I just think it's important to have a
different conversation altogether.
Yeah, that's really the secret to me.
So I just hugged every March. I like you so much.
I just all my friends are lame because I just don't want so
excited. They did, but I tell you
somebody somebody before you on somebody, because you made me
think of it, be on Twitter called me out.
And said, My Vibe is Bob, Ross is painting mr.
Rogers That's all I want to be. I was like, wow, you read me?
You led me. That's that's like, does that
make you feel special? Like does that does that having
people compare you? Because that happens to me and I
never know what to do with it. Cause I'm like the least
wholesome person in the world because like honestly how do you
respond when people are like you are like the epitome of a that
is some side. Like I'm wholesome but I also
feel like a lot of it is like eye.
I've really been working on it because when I first started to
talk I was very Sarcastic, and I'll get like, really skinny and
then and then that like and I then I learned from people like
you and I realized that like there is such a better
conversation to have in the community and so like that's
something that I learned and like, took from you and like,
you know, another creators. And so like I feel really
grateful, but I always get really nervous because you're
like, you're like the mr. Rogers of ADHD and I'm like,
yeah, I'm within Arm's Reach of like seven different sex toys
like it's pi. By the way, people should Google
it, mr. Rogers talked about being
attracted to men as well as women so he mr.
Rogers goes deeper than we in interviews and public talked
about it. This is so is breaking news for
me. I'm gonna have to do some
immediate Google. Yeah, I have to, I have to, I
have to push back because you should take more credit than
you're giving yourself. Well, he thinks you're welcome.
Because it's not like her. I want to say this, you are
content changes lives and saves lives.
And it's not about being some sort of perfect ideal of like,
acting like mr. Rogers or something?
You know what people are recognizing I think is that
Mister Rogers was authentic and so are you?
Oh my gosh. Well thank you.
That's really nice of you. I don't even come here for the
couple but you know what I mean? And that's different, that is
different than you being mr. Rogers.
Yeah. You know, your I mean that's
like people recognize and one that's actually that's a great
segue to the next question that I was gonna ask you because I,
so I've watched your Ted talk, I'm number of times.
Like, you Ted talk, I just want to let, you know, your Ted Talk
has gotten me through some rough days, just so, you know, so it's
nothing good in your Ted Talk. You tell you talked so
eloquently and so wonderfully about this idea of like being
too much and one of the idea one of the reasons why we wanted to
have you on the podcast is because like the That you talked
about becoming like the poster child for like the queer
Community. Like we've accidentally become
the poster children for like the ADHD community.
And it's a weird experience being like, a role model and
and, and feeling like you're too much and all that stuff.
And so, one of the things that I was wondering is, can you speak
to just that experience like how did you come up with the idea of
turning your too much into something?
Amazing. It was a really long Wellston,
I'm sorry. I get so excited and then I have
to quantify it for like, 10 minutes ago.
I mean, it really has a lot to do with your work.
We do the same thing, you and I because there's a certain way
that you. So, first of all, there's power
in the process of coming out, which is, which I put in quotes
right now that not everybody does or has to, but, you know,
coming out as having a diagnosis Coming out as being lgbtq coming
out, as have it, you know, loving comic books.
I don't know what, right? So people need to come out
various times and there's power and speaking your truth.
That's always true. Yeah.
But there's also power in showing other people.
It's possible to enjoy this thing.
They were talk to judge. And that to me is a real special
sauce. And to me, I, you know, I
realized that being openly beautifully wonderfully, happy
and being queer was actually quite a bold statement.
Yeah, because number one, people don't see it a lot, but number
two, lgbtq kids are taught to be sad and upset.
Self judgey. Yeah, so okay.
So then Those lengthy pauses that we have to edit out, well I
think about thoughts, so I loved it.
It's well, you you may edit out whatever you like, but we try to
be like, really careful about it but like I was like trade of
thought like I just like go off the rails because I get excited
about new ideas. So I was have to like pause
gather, my thoughts that like come back and do it, but that's
good. But it makes it good.
I think it's I think it's at least relatable because a lot of
times people will email us and be like you talk like Guy.
Do you just like go off on a tangent?
Then you somehow bring it back around and I'm like, yes, yes.
So in talking about, you know, kids being taught to be sad and,
and sort of like, internalizing this idea that there's, there's
something wrong with them, or their something broken, which
has really become part of my messages, like, you are not
broken. One of the things that I'm
really curious is that you talked a lot about the
importance of being yourselves, you know, yourself like
authentically and For yourself which you just may need to make
a statue of you and just call it being yourself because that's
like you are the epitome of that.
But one of the things that I find and and especially like in
my audience is like a lot of are like ADHD neurodiverse audience
are just starting to learn that they might have a neurodivergent
see or there's just starting that process of getting
diagnosed. Do you think that a person can
be themselves before they All, but they know who they are.
Oh gosh, you could be yourself any time of the day and you're
up front about not knowing about to me is the same as being
yourself. So and mostly if you're upfront
about playing around exploring being open to whatever you find,
I mean that's the essence of being yourself to me.
Do you think that develops like as as you gain that confidence?
Like you take that step forward into saying, you know, I'm
there. Ptq or I like comic books or
whatever. And that like, step for.
Do you think that like it just builds the confidence grows as
you as you sort of come into that identity?
Yes. And if I could use the phrase
from improv class. Yes.
And you need to come at it from two different directions.
So yes, we're changing the world but we're also changing
ourselves. So you're going to come out in
the way we've been talking about in some way and someone's going
to have a negative reaction. So if you're going to do that
you're going to have to lay the groundwork of liking yourself so
much that other people's reactions don't matter.
Easy to say not so easy to do. Yeah.
Well, do you think that people are like, you know, people in
general all of them? Do you think that there is a
fear of sort of really examining yourself and getting to know
yourself because of that perceived rejection.
What do you think? I don't know that was an area
question. Don't blame me.
You're passing the buck. I like it.
Eric gave me this. List of questions and I was like
okay I'll ask of but I don't know what the answers gonna be.
I you know, it's so well. Here's what you make me think
of. So the on Tick-Tock of are these
communities that develop around say ADHD or Autism, or being
non-binary and more than Vibe much much more than by more than
Instagram, more than any other platform onto.
Tick-Tock these different communities are seeing
supporting loving listening to holding up stitching.
If people know the lingo, the other communities.
And I've never felt so beautifully embraced for who I
am and you can be all have. We all the thing?
We all have in common is we were told that we're broken.
Like you said, yeah. Look what has that it has that
approach. Has that changed the way that
you approach making your content like having a more accessible
Community? I think so.
Well, I mean, yeah. Naturally the, the form, the
function follows the form. Yeah.
The themes are the same that I
was doing years ago on vine when I was saying, there's nothing
wrong with you but the way that you can interact is really
something exciting. I think Tick-Tock really it
feels like a family. To me, really got some things
right? Yeah, I mean, that, that is
definitely been our experience is like, just building like an
ADHD neurodiverse Community, like that was not what I
expected when I started shitposting about boxes.
But like, here we are, you know, a year later and I'm talking
with you so we I don't know something cool.
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Okay, back to the episode transition. so one of the things
that we really like to do on on infinite Quest is like we like
to use our platform for good and one of the things that you do is
you work really closely with glsen and so we were wondering
if you would just kind of talk about glisten and let people
know like what it is and like why it's cool and and all of
that good stuff course, glsen is an organization that helps lgbtq
youth to be safe in Schools 2021, who knew we are still in a
place where lots of the parts of the country.
It's not safe to come out. It's not safe to be yourself.
Nope. And so glisten specifically
works with them and actually 11 beautiful thing that goes and
does is produces. They do an annual survey.
So it's really hard to help a problem to move.
A problem. Problem is even a problematic
were It's really hard to change a situation.
Yeah. Without knowing the details of
it. So they go to the kids, they go
to the teachers. They go to the schools and ask
questions and find out how many are doing this and how many are
doing that so that they can be really effective.
And their school survey is something I still use in my work
for subjects to talk about things that people who might
follow me need. That's what how You wind up
finding out about them and working with them, they slid
into my Dean's. How else do you think that?
Ain't that just the way, the story of my life.
Now it's just like, it's like, oh yeah, this is just message me
like Coca-Cola. It's fine.
That's, that's a really valid authentic way of getting
involved with something like that.
Exactly, exactly. Okay, so this is the, this is
the part where we're like, I'm going to unabashedly.
Just ask you for that. Good.
Good Jeffrey Marsh. Is for our listeners, okay?
So how about I just like you so much.
The answer is, there's nothing wrong with you, there's nothing
wrong with you, right? You are not broken and there's
nothing wrong with you. I'm the one of the one of the
big things is, is that a lot of our listeners, a lot of our fans
are like, in this really unique place in their lives, where they
are, younger than we are by some degree, but they are just sort
of starting out their journey of, you know, self-discovery and
diagnosis. I talked about but a lot of them
want to get involved in activism and a lot of them want to get
involved in speaking up for the community and and engaging with
the community. What advice do you have to give
to those people? That's an easy one.
These hard-hitting, journalist question.
I've got a very Jeffrey answer. Am I very Jeffrey?
Answer is you got to do the self-compassion?
It's of kindness. So yes, we want you.
You're a valid part of movement and I actually am very unlike
you and very weird. I hope you don't mind me calling
me weird, you know what it says for real?
Take it as a compliment. I'm very weird in that I never
really even think about how old a person is when I'm interacting
with them and I Tincture and six-year-olds perspective.
Really to me is as valuable as a ninety six year olds or a 46
year olds, right? And so, if you're a young
person, you're absolutely welcome in the movement and your
ideas are welcome. And it's the same advice for
someone who's 50. You have to be able to fill up
your own tank. If you're going to go up against
the forces of hate, just just how it has to be or else you'll
burn out. And you'll not only, will you
not be an effective activists in quotes.
You'll actually just get bitter and and I don't know what slink
away from activism. So I mean, that's a wonderful
answer. So then part two is, how do I do
that? How do I fill my tank?
How do I start that process? Do you have any advice for
anybody who's going? Well?
Well, that sounds hard. Yeah, an easy one is to create a
space with yourself where you can say anything.
So in how to be You, there's an exercise.
So it's the book. I read is partly a workbook
because I want people to have their own experience, and I want
people to feel like we wrote the book together.
So there are sections that the reader rights as well.
And so we end up with a with an art project together and there's
one exercise in there where you write a dialogue with your hero
and you take on both parts. So you really want, practice
being a mentor to yourself if that makes sense.
I absolutely does. It's wonderful.
I'm outside needing. Oh, go ahead.
Well, you know you go, you know, you're the guest you time.
I was just gonna add, don't forget where you're going.
I was going to add, you know, you not that it's bad to need a
mentor. You're going to be both sides of
the conversation. We need a mentor.
Sometimes you can embody being a mentor.
Sometimes and that's called human.
Yeah, life that yes. You remember what you were gonna
say I do and I'm really proud of myself.
Um so you've you just said it up but you wrote a book how to be
you and it it did. Okay for itself from what I
understand well but so honestly what I wanted to know is what
was it like writing a book that Broke genres.
Like, what was, what was that process?
Like, coming up for the idea of this book and then like, well
it's kind of a self-help book but it's also work, but it's
also kind of a biography like what was it like realizing that
you were really and truly, like, writing a book that was just
going to like, sort of break the convention of how we understand
how books are supposed to work. You know, the answer to that
because you broke the conventions every day.
You don't. Ya, I don't know.
I don't feel like like this is a true story and no, no, I'm gonna
happen. Cast breakthrough and Eric is in
here. And so now he's gonna be mad
that he missed the podcast breakthrough.
But I think I'll let Eric be jobless, it's your happiness,
listen to it in the editing room and be like, oh I missed it but
I think like, I still want to know your answer because I'm
fascinated about how you came up with the idea for the book.
But I think one of the things that I have started realizing,
as I've kept making my content and advocating for this
community and all of this stuff is that at some point, it just
starts feeling. So Oh, that I don't think of it
in terms of like, I'm doing anything.
That is a big deal, like I wake up in the morning and I pick a
topic and I sit at my kitchen island, I clear off the dirty
cups and I film a video and and then but you know, and I know
you've talked about this as well as but then you get an email and
you say, like your videos are changing my life.
And you know, thank you so much and I go, I just talked about
eighty HD at my kitchen table and so my guess I don't know.
I'm just Guess what your answer is is you have gotten so used to
thinking outside of the box and thinking.
So, creatively in your work, that that's how you came up with
it. But now I just answered the
question for you, which is not how this is supposed to work at
all. That's not a podcast that's up.
I guess it just Katie projecting and you happen to be correct.
So A Plus on that. Yes for me when you were
speaking all I could think of was being non-binary and how bad
that set me up to think outside the conventions and the rules
and you know, color outside the lines to begin with.
So when I went in to penguin, when I met with penguin random
house and told them, you know, I want to do this weird wacky
idea, it just made sense to me and they could kind of flow on
that because it Just was so clear to me that it had to be
something really different to suit the message.
That's really cool. I like I just yeah.
Can I tell you another little story about weeks?
Tell me all, tell me your entire life story.
Please, I will sit there quietly and just ask the occasional
question. I'm here for, let's go.
So it was, John ra bending and genre melding and and all that
wonderful stuff. But it was also that I was the
first out non-binary person to work with a big five publisher.
So in the in the United States, Big Five is Simon & Schuster,
penguin, Random House, Hatchet. You know, all the all the ones
that are the biggest and I worked with penguin and they
returned my manuscript, the editor returned my manuscript
with all the vases changed. He no one said they is not
grammatically. Correct.
And we had to have an email exchange is correct and that's
what I use and etc. Etc.
My tummy hurts for you in this moment.
It was only pushing the boundaries of what a book could
be. Yeah, product.
I was pushing some boundaries inside the publisher about what
an author could be. Really.
I never had that like that, but you, you helped.
See that? Yeah.
Oh my gosh. That's, that's a great story.
Thank you for sharing that. I didn't feel so good at the
time. Oh no, I can imagine like, oh my
God. Jesus.
Um, but okay, so then and if you do not want to answer this
question, it is okay. We can edit this part out, but
do you think being the first You know, like non-binary person and
doing all this stuff and like, having like youth, the first,
the first, the first, the first like you have so many firsts.
You've got a little trophy case, full of first.
Do you ever feel like pressure like do you ever feel like
you're like you have like this like responsibility to like this
community in a way? That is like hard.
Nah, I mean, you know what? That's the best answer that
question. You know, I used to and I can
certainly talk about that, but I had to make a decision at some
point. Whether I wanted to quote,
unquote, represent non-binary people.
Hmm. And I realized not to sound
unkind, but I realized if someone is not with it enough to
Is that not every non-binary person is the same.
Yeah, and acts like me or looks like me or whatever if they're
not with it enough to realize that that's actually not my
problem. Yeah.
And that realization helped me to just, you know, be myself
which ironically makes me a better representation I guess.
I didn't know that, I really needed to hear that today.
But apparently I did, because now I'm like a little emotional
because of the work you do. Yeah.
It's it's I don't know. You represent the community.
Yeah, it's one. And one of the things is, like,
I went back and I watched your Ted Talk this morning because I
just was like, oh, I need to prepare for this interview and
like one of the things that really hit me was like, the last
time I watched it, I was not getting emails from people being
like you were saving my life. And now I am and I had that
moment of like I normally I would watch something like that.
I go oh, that's for a fancy famous person to deal.
And then I was like no that's my experience now.
And like I worry so much about representing the community and
saying the right thing and whatever and I try really hard
to be authentically myself but like sometimes I fail and
sometimes I use the wrong word or the wrong terminology or
whatever. And so yeah, I just like I
wanted to ask you because that was not for the podcast.
I was just for Katie Katie. Sometimes you are also pushing
the movement for Forward. So sometimes you're also coming
up with the language. Yeah, that's the next.
Have you ever had that experience of being like, oh
well, I guess. Like, I'm gonna have to be the
person who opens that door. Yeah.
And there was something you made so clear.
When you were talking about being the first, the first, the
first, the first, There are so many Heroes that walked the
footsteps before me. So yeah, the first to be at a
major publisher, but how many people had to publish books who
were out and non-binary before? I could do that?
Yeah, right. And it is all a Continuum.
And I hope, you know, every darn non-binary person, listening,
we'll just do, you know, break down the barriers that are left
really quickly. That's lovely.
That's four that's a really nice answer.
Thanks for that nice answer. Okay this is this is one where
this is just for the this is just for the parents and and and
the the folks in the room. But so you are what I would,
pretty much consider it expert on the experience of being
non-binary and I know that you've talked about this before
like a couple of different interviews but like what advice
do you have to give to people who are just like oh that person
is non-binary and I don't know how to do this.
Pronoun question. And then the thing in the ass
for the what they need because I get asked that question all the
time and I know what my Katie answer is but I'm interested to
see what your answer is. Oh you gotta go first.
What's mine is my kitty. Answer is very exciting.
It's have you considered talking to them about it, which is my
like, which is a quantifiably across the board.
The answer that I just have to give all the time for
everything, like the Ask questions in the partner
questions on the romance questions.
They idiot. Like, I was like, well have you
considered having a conversation with the person and then they
go, oh no. I don't want to do that though
and I can what? I don't know.
What do I do? I don't know what to tell you.
So I don't know if you guys, I just want to know if you had
almost. No, it's exactly the same.
And there are two things in that.
Number one, this the the respect involved in allowing someone to
Speak for themselves. Yeah, that is so inherent.
But the other thing is communication, makes our lives
smoother easier. Yeah, there's so much drama that
is cut out if you just speak plainly.
Mmm. Now, it has to be a balance I
suppose and I know you, you probably feel the same way in
your work. I Jeffrey have chosen this life.
A Fielding these questions all the time.
There are non-binary people who might be your coworker who are,
I don't know what they are introverted or annoyed that day,
where, you know, you might run into issues with the talk
directly to them approach but I still think it's the best way to
go absolutely because then you get the answer and you get the
answer or at least you get a I'm not comfortable answering that
and then you know that that is a boundary and you can you can go
ask somebody, you can go as Jeffrey Workshop Tick-Tock
that's that's my ass. Makeup on Tumblr really want
good, you can go like man I miss the Glory Days top.
Like 2012 Tumblr has a nice. Pretty sweet.
Does it pretty pretty sweet? Okay, Pausing.
Sorry, Eric, I'm sorry. So at the very beginning of the
interview apologize to Eric because I apologized constantly
all the time for it's like, it's my fun.
Cool thing that I do. First of all, Eric is waiting
patiently. I am.
Second of all pausing is a human thing and I guess Eric will take
it out if Eric wants to, I did not.
It's true. What I know is going to happen
is now that we're talking about it, their all To get left in.
And then it's gonna look even sillier what I'm like, sorry for
the trouble because they're just all gonna be a podcast.
It's mine, that is exactly what happened, that's how my life
works. But at the the focusing, we're
getting back on track at the very beginning of the podcast.
We were talking about what's next.
And so now we're at the part where I ask you, what's, what's
next? What you got going on?
Do you have anything that you want to tell us about any big
news, any n equal 2 things, my audio book version of how to be.
You is coming in April. It is my voice, okay?
And you we talked about before we started recording but I'm
sitting in a closet in my home because the best sound quality
and this is the also, the closet ready.
Audiobook was recorded. That's one but I also have
something top secret to tell you that I'm actually not supposed
to tell you guys going anyway. Is this an infinite Quest
exclusive or should we do? You can keep it in?
Um okay okay okay I'm going to I'm in the process, it hasn't
been sold but I'm in the process of pitching, a TV show in the
tradition of the folks, we've mentioned already in this
podcast. I just made a terrible noise.
I'm so excited for you. So watch for that TV 10 months.
But yeah, that's fixated stick. Oh, my goodness.
Could truly remarkable. Another fan of might be the
first time. Is that right?
I'm just thinking I'm just, I'm just, I'm literally having a
profound moment about like, like the kids who will watch that
show and why that's important. I got.
Is that true? I'm right there.
That's so special. That's yeah, that's incredible.
Congratulations, that's fuck me. That's good.
That's just, I'm just happy end of the podcast.
No, well, okay, so we, as we was the wrapping up your time.
So we have like three kind of standard wrapping emotions that
we asked number one, Do you know you like I've done podcast
before like that? Yeah.
Well then you might know be extra, special question.
We have to ask at the end but before that just do you have
anything that you want to say to our listeners?
Any pieces of advice, little little chicken nuggets of
wisdom, that you hope more people will hear.
There is nothing wrong with you. And the realization of that is
not going to be perfect, you're going to build in fits and
starts, you're going to glue things together.
You're going to grab things from friends, but eventually you'll
have a strong Foundation. You'll have a strong sense.
A true experience that there is absolutely nothing wrong with
you, when that happens, Email me because I love those stories and
I want to hear about it when that happens, you have more
choices. So you should be doing your work
to get to that stuff. Like it best you just wrote up a
said water your show. Good job.
They can be the olfactory put on your card again.
That'll be great. I assume there's going to be
hard to change my shoes. You kind of gotta toss the shoe.
Apparently, did you apparently, mr.
Rogers never actually toss the shoe.
This is like a whole thing of really like I do there's like I
wrote a thing where it's like, there's like controversy about
whether or not he did and then Tom Hanks dinner, I don't know.
I forgot. It was fine.
I have ADHD. Um, okay.
So the most important puzzle, mr.
Rogers bisexuality. Glad I'm got like what?
I tell you I'm going to immediately after we stop this.
That's number one when I'm about to do.
So the most important question that we asked confident Quest
you're welcome, Eric if you could know every language in the
world or play every musical instrument in the world which
would you pick and why? I would play every musical
instrument in the world, that is not the answer.
I thought you were gonna give because That language to me is
the universal language of love, giving a gift of art of a song.
You are so wonderful. Giving the gift of music, is
evokes, feeling and connection, and sometimes, you need to be in
a place without words. As the best answer we've ever
had on this podcast, congratulations, you can put
that first in your trophy case, two, if you want that's for you.
Okay, I'm so jealous. I'm super excited because I just
know he's going to be in the little editing room just being
like and it's going to be fun because he's gonna be like, well
why didn't you ask the mist and I'ma be like, well because I
forgot because I got excited. Because that's what I do.
We were living in the moment. We were living in.
The moment was having a pot. We're just Chillers have a
conversation. It's fine.
I don't know. I was inviting.
We're vibing. That's what the the youth say,
on the tick tocks. They do, they do.
I was trying to think of something clever, but that I was
like now I can confirm can confirm them them gen.
Z's, how's your middle part doing?
By the way, if you have you done your gen Z middle part?
No absolutely not because I refuse I'm like no I'm not be
counting you can take my sidebar for my cold dead hands.
Exactly. Yeah.
All right well Jeffrey Marsh thank you so much for being
here. It is.
Truly an honor to have spoken with you.
Hahaha. You Eric for not being here?
Go check out Jeffrey stuff will put all of their information in
like the show notes and all that good stuff will link on the
website but yeah from infinite Quest.
Thank you for being truly. One of the most remarkable and
excellent human beings walking the planet right now and I say
that with absolutely like, just absolute authenticity.
Thank you so much for existing in this world.
I mean, this in every way it was my pleasure.
Thank you. The secret password is
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