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So yeah. Without further Ado, here's
episode 2. Transitions like my, my
shameful, my shameful secret is like I don't have anything
memorized like even with like his like I'm sure if you like I
know that there's monologues that I could just like pull out
but like I don't have anything in my head ever, but I know I
know I've talked to you about this before but you know that
that have you seen the video? I've done on that.
I did about how to memorize stuff.
You have it. You're like I did watch it but I
don't remember it being well. Hey, baby to the right to the
folks. Folks, folks, folks watching at
home. Are we gonna do that Arena and
actively reference? Yeah.
Well, no, actually, I'm going to to the folks watching at home.
Who haven't, you know, God, let's edit that out.
So, it was a technique that I learned when I was studying
classical music. When I was playing classical
music, which is you to memorize It backwards.
Essentially, if it's a poem talked about this because that's
how I memorize Shakespeare. Wait because you said that you
did it. Yeah.
So you memorize the last line. So you don't memorize it word
for word backwards, although I totally suppose, you could see
memorize the last line which is like, yeah, I don't want to
qualify and safe easy but it's easier than memorizing whole
fucking thing, that's for sure. So memorize the last client like
over and over again. Announcing your place in the
family of things, or perhaps make it even smaller just like
the family of things. Place in the family of things
announcing your place. And that way, you're always
moving into something that you're more confident.
Because if you've ever tried to memorize something, you'll
remember, if you tack on another line, like your block memorized
and you tack on the next line, you have to start the beginnings
and go and then by the time you get there, it's been like a
while since you thought of that because it's at the end whereas
if you go backwards the newest line is the first thing that you
say. And then everything, after that
you already have memorized. And so it's, you know, over and
over again, announcing your place in the family of sayings
like harsh and exciting over and over again.
Like you're so you're always moves the worst explanation of
anything ever, feel like you're always moving into something.
You're more confident with. And so saying, the new thing is
just the thing that you say first, like so, But what sorry I
didn't mean to cut you off when you when you're doing that for
music though. Do you go by like a measure or a
phrase or know? It's like, how do you do it with
music? I would do it.
It's a mean. It depends.
I there are certain circumstances in which I would
do it. Either by note or by measure.
Yeah. So like if it was a really note
heavy piece, that had like a lot of notes in it.
Then I would go. Absolutely go.
No but I know but if it's a really well actually no.
Now that I think of it I always went no but I know.
Yeah because doing it with music is Like, if you're memorizing a
poem. It is very, very likely that
you're already fluent in a language.
So saying things is something that you know how to do.
So you're just saying specific things, whereas in music very
frequently, your plant, you're doing a thing that you haven't
done before and so if you have my guitars over there, Akio
guitar I apply on your arm like a fret.
Oh, yeah. Well, that's how you would
that's like the common way of like describing And stuff.
But that's what a teacher would do.
If they were, if you didn't have a guitar around in you,
revealing all the burns I have on my own, I'm a cook, it's
okay. But yeah.
So if you had a weird core of like, that was like uh, and just
felt strange. Like, first of all, I would do
is play the chord and then relax my hand. and then play the chord
again when left hand, and then I would play the chord or note, or
whatever, just before that, and go, boom, and just sit there and
the idea well-known we talked about music, but the idea is
that You would, let's say you had to go from.
Should I grab my guitar? Now, I'm not gonna mind if I can
see it in the mirror. There's three to get the blue.
One is the prettiest. There's not a blue and it's
black. Let's not do this.
Oh, that's cool. So if you're to play, What's the
court? All right, let's edit this out.
So anyway, here's wunderwaffe plays, here's Wonderwall.
But so if you're playing this chord which also I have
something to say about this court but and you had to play it
from here. So the way that you would
practice that the way that I would practice that is by
playing that note before it. Oh my gosh.
Eric, it's been a decade. Come on.
And then walk, before I've done anything.
I'm going to go through my head. And pretend to do it in.
Imagine the weight of my hand as I pull my hand away from the
fretboard. And imagine what it's going to
feel like to have the pressure released in my pinky.
And imagine the amount of time. It's going to take me imagines.
The specific muscles that I'm going to flex when I do it. and
then, once all of that is in place, I just allow my brain to
say go. And do it.
I swear, this is absolutely true.
I was taught in the a lot of classical musicians are taught
and then you do that again. And you sit there and you think
what is it going to feel like what is the weight of my hand
going to fill it? What is everything?
And then you just allowing yourself to do it in the idea
behind that is well, yeah, but you behind that.
Is that every time you do something, you're making your
brain. Remember, it's now another thing
that your brain has done. So if you practice something and
consistently get one part wrong, it's actively bad to do it
wrong, like it is actively, but it's not just another time.
You're training your brain to do it incorrectly, so it's better
to do whatever you have to do to do it.
Exactly correctly and only exactly correctly ever.
So that your strengthening, those neural connections, and
all of that, and not the ones that are wrong.
So like a sort of a joke, I don't think, I don't know.
This is a common joke, but it was a joke between me and my
friends. Like, if you have a problem with
a section, like you've been practicing all week and you go
to your professor, or your, your, your teacher, something
and you say, like, I don't know how I can't quite get this one
thing. At some point they're going to
say slow practice to a metronome like practice really, really,
really slowly to a metronome and idea is that like even if
something is really hard, if you do it slow enough you'll be able
to do it. It might take you like but doing
it wrong is actively bad. You're training your brain to do
it incorrectly and so do it as slow as you possibly need.
You need to do it in order to do it properly and then only do
that. And then once You can do that
without thinking about it, increase the speed just a little
bit and then do that until you can do that, without even
thinking about it, and then in a little bit more and then a
little bit more, a little bit more until eventually you're at
full Tempo, I am actively fascinated right now.
Like act like genuinely fascinated, like I don't have
that. Like, I don't, I can't do that.
Like, I, I I don't even know how to describe it but like, I don't
have the capacity to imagine my body doing things like that's
not a thing that I think about I am like I'm so like it feels
like I mean I would say it's like learning Klingon except
I've done that like it but it's so far like out of the surprise.
I'm just, I'm so vast it, I'm fascinated by this, what's
really? It's it's also for one, you can
imagine that if you have severe ADHD, that that whole process is
a fucking problem. If I was in, will you can
imagine that my inability to do that or how difficult it was for
me to do that or replicas or do whatever version of that?
I was capable of doing can scar a person musically to be?
Like. Oh this is what?
How I understand music to work and I'm incapable of doing it.
Like I'm like I'm wrong in terms of music.
I mean of course I'm wrong to think that like that's I've been
but you know the best decade of my life or eight years of my
life has been me. Hopefully like, you know,
training myself out of thinking that there is a exact proper way
to play music and in a bit, you know, and if you're not doing
that and you're wrong, But see your ADHD hit the pole hoof.
That's kind of like when Aaron asked us the about ADHD and
music like I was like, oh God, like I'm going to talk for a
long time or I'm not going to talk at all.
Holy shit. But it's very, I mean, it makes
me think of mindfulness is what makes me think of is when you're
in that mode and you're trying to practice like a thing, like
there's there's a piece that goes like this again, it's been
eight years. so basically goes to diminish,
its diminished chord, if it's either, I think it's half the
half diminished chord to the people who can use which
resolves to this chord, which You can then turn into a
diminished chord like this or anyways, but those those chords
are the same. All the way down.
It just but it, but it sort of musically mathematically, Works
God. But I had to do it that fast
actually was faster than it was bad, but that, that, that that
and so I spent a very long time and it made a small concrete
room, every practice room had a mirror in.
It was exactly that mere accident, I think of it.
So you can sit in front of it and watch your meek and that was
it. Well, they all had pianos to.
So there's a piano in a mirror and it's in a chair.
But anyway, so yeah, I had to practice going from Discord and
then During it as slowly as possible
and as deliberately and methodically as possible again,
like anticipating every motion like nothing was accidental
because that's how you fuck up. That's how like, if you hear
about musician, who consistently messes up the same part.
It's because they've messed it up so many times that that's
just how their brain does it. They're not training themselves
from zero anymore. Zero to correct their training
themselves from incorrect to correct.
So the idea is not just to learn the peace.
Although, of course, that's the goal its to avoid learning it
the wrong way because then you've lost ground.
So anyways. But well, the reason I think of
mindfulness is because when you're here and you're going to
the next chord, You become in tune with your body.
You the sensations in your fingers, up it up.
But uh, And then you go to the next one.
So it's like an inherently, a mindful process of just being in
tune with doing exactly one thing.
And anyways, it's fucking fascinating and nuts, but it,
you know, it caused me to you know think of I think people
with ADHD think of analogies frequently, I think that's like
something that we do. I mean, I've I mean to speak for
anybody else ever? I guess, but I, I've talked to
enough people where I think we do, but that concept, the
concept of practice has become useful in a lot of different
ways. It's also become a massive
hindrance, my awareness of that level of practice.
But like, I mean every week or most weeks, you know, you
basically would have a lesson a week and then you have a whole
Oh, that's why at this boarding school that I went to?
You would have a less than a week and then a bunch of others.
You have classes, you would have three classes, you would have
performance classes, and whatever classes.
As well as regular Chi School classes to deal with fifth.
But anyways and then you would go and you know and then you
would have your lesson again in the cycle sort of repeat and
print like a lot of the times you go to a new lesson and your
teacher would ask you to do something that you can swear is
impossible, they would go here. You know, reach your Your
fingers from like here to like there and you're like, oh, I
can't like in your, and you like your brain.
You're like, my fingers are too small, my like I can't and
you're like, you're, it's you rationally think that it's not
an irrational thoughts, as you can, and then they go, we'll
look my hands are smaller than yours and I can do it and then
they do the thing and so you're like oh it is possible,
stretching your fingers. Maybe isn't the best example
because that's sort of a literal technical feat.
Like but like going from some insanely complicated chord to
another insanely complicated, chord like that, there's no way
that I could do this at that at the speed of this but then they
do it in front of you and so they show you something
impossible and say you have a week to learn to do it and then
you do, or you look like a giant asshole in a week and so you're
sort of consistently reaffirming that you think a lot of things
are impossible that Actually, through deliberate practice or
not impossible. And so it calls into question,
like, what you think, what why don't we say you will, what I
what I what one thinks what I thought about like everything,
what other things do I think are impossible that I actually could
do if I just practiced and learned and so, like my idea
area. The idea my idea of self
shattered like show absolutely fucking shattered because what
if my ADHD is just something that I could practice myself
out? Of what if, what if my
depression is something that I could practice myself out of
right now at that seems impossible.
It it like it right now. Being this is me at 16 thinking
this like that is unfathomable that that could be the case.
But my everyday life consists of truly, believing something to be
impossible, then watching somebody do it and then prove to
myself that I can through practice, do it.
So what are you know, what are the things?
And so I mean that idea is still absolutely haunts me to this
day. Like I don't I it for a long
time and still now like I can't fully accept that.
I just am away like that. I am Eric that I am like myself.
I constantly think of myself as a person who has practiced
perhaps unknowingly a certain set of behaviors and therefore
exhibits those behaviors frequently.
But if I practiced if I like practiced, if I did the
analogous thing to playing classical music to my psyche.
In my behaviors, I could do things that I think are
impossible like training myself, out of my depression or
practicing myself out of my ADHD and to a certain extent.
I mean you can't train her practice will sell out of ADHD
their neural imbalance as well. As far as I know and as far as
everybody that I've ever heard, who knows?
About this knows you can't but things like Waking up in the
morning like assembling habits things like waking up in the
morning. You're taking her meds every day
or the things that often especially when you're
depressed. Seem absolutely impossible, but
through practice, you can't. And so so.
So I got to stop talking. I've been talking to like fight
in 20 minutes. I don't know, time blindness.
I've no idea how long I've been talking but so it's very helpful
in ways that sort of teach you to think.
Oh, the things that you think are impossible.
Aren't. But there are also things that
are impossible and you need to accept that they are.
I mean, it makes me think of the Lord's Prayer, grant me the
serenity to accept the things. I cannot change the courage to
change the things I can, and the wisdom to tell the difference
except what grant me the serenity to accept the things.
I cannot change the courage to change the things that I can,
and the wisdom to sell the difference that are not the
Lord's Prayer. Oh, that isn't the Lord's
Prayer. The Serenity Prayer.
Gosh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm pretty, like, I don't know a
lot about a lot, but I don't think that's one of the lines,
leave it in leave. It is Our Father who art in
heaven, Hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come thy will be
done on Earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day this year and forgive us our trespasses, as we
forgive those who trespass against us and lead us, not to
Temptation, which is the Kingdom of Heaven for No, Father who art
in heaven? Hallowed be thy name, thy
kingdom come thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day, our daily bread.
Oh God, I got so distracted in the middle of it, but I forgot
it. But it's a, I was acting so smug
to another. How does it feel hoisted on my
own petard? But Deliver Us from Evil.
That's the line. It said that, as long as the
rents, That's from Evil. And then depending on what
church, you go to, they tack on the for thine is the power and
the kingdom thing, but you're Catholic growing up.
We didn't we didn't have that part.
So really just ends at Deliver Us from Evil, amen.
Yeah. And then sometimes you Mumble,
the last part of thing, but and then I think I think they just
changed the words to there was like a it's like, as we forgive
those who like there's new Words, I'm pretty sure.
My mom told me about this Yeah, the only one I know is the one
that they say at the end of. Yeah, it's instead of saying
lead us not into temptation, they say, do not let us fall
into temptation. Why, I mean, okay, thanks
changed it because the pope said he thought the English
translation of the prayer was not correct because our boy
Francis who we like we like Francis.
It is not a good translation because it speaks of a god Who
induces temptation but we are the one who fall it's not God
like pushing us into temptation as we falling into temptation so
they changed it to let us not fall into temptation.
Well I respect I respect an accurate translation.
That's that's why I respect that.
Yeah, yeah, and her father doesn't do that after the quote
is a father doesn't do that at father helps you to get up
immediately. It's Satan who leads us into
temptation. That's his department.
Is that really What Pope Francis said, that's what he said.
I imagine it's a translation of from latter.
From from Italian. Maybe I don't know that Katie
Derek in the morning. That's our morning.
Good morning. I just, I truly think that
Donald Glover is one of the great Geniuses.
Like, oh, yeah, absolutely. As I was literally about to say,
the same thing, I was literally just about to be like, Donald
Glover is so great. Like I think we're like, I'm
grateful. Be alive at the same time.
Like like if you if like I like to think that the people who
like were alive at the same time as Mozart we're like how cool is
it that we rely know? They weren't because if they
weren't but like I feel like it's that kind of thing where
like he's going to be. He's one of those towering
artistic genius, has my favorite thing.
My favorite story about Donald Glover?
I don't even know if it's true or not, but I heard it the story
that I heard was like, so he was working on On on being being
Lando, when he was, he released, this is America.
And so he was like, they were standing like underneath the
fucking Millennium Falcon, and I'll go over goes, hey, do you
guys do? I just got my like, the the
editing copy back or whatever. Do you guys want to see my new?
My new song that's coming out and everybody was like yeah.
And so he just like played it for him like on his fucking
iPhone or whatever. And everyone was like You what
he's like, yeah. It's my day.
It's my new song. And they like, we're like Play
it Again. Play it again, and they made him
play it like a. Like, because everyone was like,
this is the best thing because it was, this is America.
Yeah. And this is the best thing that
I have ever beheld, and he was just like standing under the
Millennium Falcon just like, hey, watch my new song.
My name is like, like, I don't know if it's true or not, but I
just think about that moment a lot.
What a moment in a person's life.
Like to tell to tell like, I don't know, like a Five year old
Donald Glover like hey one day, you're going to be playing.
Lando Calrissian in a cannon in a Canon Star Wars movie.
It was Cannon, right? Yeah.
Canon Star Wars movie and you're going to have everybody gather
around and you're going to play them a song that you just had
produced. That is going to be one of the
most influential songs written like in its decade and you're
going to be like 20 fucking 7 or something like that.
Then thing, what the fuck? It's I think a lat, I think like
I spent a lot of time thinking about how I will probably never
get to be in a Star Wars movie and I realized that's, that's a
silly thing to be sad about. But there is there's a large
part of my heart that I've reserved for the grief that I
feel about the fact that I will never be famous enough to be in
a Star Wars movie, which is, which is silly.
But it's the, it's what I feel you want.
It's not silly. I think, I think life can be Be
a hard dismal thing and the little things that like, give us
to it, like, it's okay to mourn for that.
But also like, I feel like, obligated to say that you
absolutely do not have the data to say that you will never be an
Australian like that is massive assumption.
Yeah. The, the chaos of the world
makes means it's possible. It's like an, it was a very
impassioned speech. It was oh, it was, it was, it
was discursive in, was it was like, there's a level of
discursivity that all allow in my rants, but at some point it's
like, okay, this rain is missing.
Discursive will have you ever played and another thing Nope.
So and another thing, it's drinking game that my friends
and I like to play and I think something like Tumblr, came up
with it or something, but basically what it is is, it's a
drinking game where you just decide to rant about something
just you know, socks. Okay.
And so basically what it is, is somebody starts ranting and
they're like, you know, the problem with socks these days is
the socks isn't good enough and they're not warm enough and is
but whatever and then any point somebody else goes and another
thing and then they start ranting and then but then
everybody else takes a drink. And so it's basically just like
kite is, like, half an improv game, have a drinking game, but
the idea is just like you just keep ranting about socks and you
can steal it from anybody, I'm going.
And another thing, can you have to maintain the the initials of,
like, if the subject is socks, you all have different about
socks or can you tangent off what the person you can?
I It really doesn't matter, but usually, we would tangent but
it's also the basis of my board game.
Your board game. Oh god, I've never told you this
story. Okay, I also have a, but what's
a card game? But this is a whole week is
invented by invented. A game is exist.
It does exist in by it, can buy it, fucking wait.
Wait, can you wait? Let's do this later.
Okay, does this is I am so fucking excited and I think I
just I want to I want to be known Learning about this for
the first time. Okay, yeah, gosh.
I also I've been tentatively designing a card game in my head
before. Well I mean I also have a blank
pages and Pages. Maybe if it were to be made,
well, it would be successful. I'm is mine exists in the real
world. You don't tell me.
What is the name of your board? It's, this is something.
If it's like, Settlers of Catan. I'm gonna lose my fucking mind.
What if it's? No, it's not, it's called on
betrayal it. House on the hill, it's not,
it's not called that that's like my always shit.
I thought you were going to react.
No cold Monopoly. No, I cannot go to tell you
because it's a punch line. It's part of the story is the
punt is the name of the game. So I'm not going to tell it to,
I'm saving it because yeah. So, but I'll tell you, You
later. Now you're an opera singer, too.
Wasn't me and I was being jealous of your skill sets.
I'm a terrible singer. Oh yeah.
Give me a. Give me an e to, I don't know.
Play it for me. Oh, thank you.