Hello. Hi, Katie.
Good morning. Good.
Morning. It's not morning anymore, Katie.
I don't want to tell you this like.
Easily one in the afternoon. It's 12:30 right before we were
recording. I was like, this is a really
good idea. We could like record podcast
first thing in the morning. That way there's not like a
bunch of gobbledygook in our brains.
You know, it's like fresh. And then I was like, it is 1:00
in the afternoon. Yeah.
That's morning. You know, morning is the first
hour after you wake up. You don't care when you woke up.
You don't care? I don't.
Care, I'm calling my senator Katie, I'm calling senator, I'm
calling Obama and I'm going to be like is oh.
Barack Obama, you're current. He's current Senator Raining
senator in my heart. Yeah, he's he's who?
Barack Obama. Barack Obama.
I don't know what I was trying to say.
Dude, that's that's how I want somebody to introduce.
That's like how I want Eminem to introduce Barack Obama at Kamala
Harris's next. Look, there goes thermometer.
It goes thermometer like you all better turn on your Barack
opometers because it's about to that's.
What I'm saying like, yeah, it's like you got gaydar and Barack
Obometer. Yeah, it's like a fire.
Fire danger. How close is like Obama to me at
any given? Moment like Barack Obama.
Barack Obama is going crazy. How is where is Barack Obama
right now? What's today?
Today is Tuesday, October 24th. God.
It's so close to the election through fuck off.
Oh, hey, by vote. Yeah, I'm sorry, but this is
what we do now. Would you please vote?
Go online. Just check to see if you're
registered. Check to see if you need to, if
you need to get an absentee ballot.
Those deadlines are usually pretty early.
You. Have to send in your absentee
ballot early? You do as well.
Yeah. And just because we're we vote
in Georgia because that's where we technically live.
The Georgia absentee voter ballot deadline is tomorrow.
You have to apply for it 11 days before the election, the
election or else or else you can't get it.
So please, if you live in Georgia and you're voting
absentee, do the application. Just Google Georgia absentee
ballot. Yeah, just do it.
Just do it right now. We'll wait, actually.
And wherever else you make sure you're registered, make sure you
got a plan. Well, we're talking go vote or
no. Go look out and see if you're
registered to vote. Go do it right now.
That's where you can listen to the podcast for.
Yeah, maybe we'll make a special episode that's just for people
who to listen to while they're voting and they're only allowed
to listen to it while they're. Voting.
Yeah. Is it like that one guy can't
use black paint? What the there, there's this
artist and he made Vonta Black. But then there was like he was
like in a fight with I think it's Amish Kapoor.
And he can't, he can't use paint.
He can't use Vonta Black ever. Who's Amish Kapoor?
He's like the other artist who tried to like trademark black.
Oh, so they both it's just like dueling black paints.
Yeah, Well, there's like this one artist who made this, like,
super, super duper, like, really saturated black paint.
I can't remember his name. I think he's Amish Kapoor.
I might be wrong about that. And then this other artist was
like, but he copyrighted it, and he's like, nobody's allowed to
use it except for me. And so then this other artist
basically figured out how to make super duper saturated black
paint. And then he was like everybody
except for this one guy. What is it?
It's. Just a black.
But he's, yeah, he keeps like, trolling the guy.
And so he's like, he makes like different colors and stuff.
And he's like, anybody who works with this artist, you're not
allowed to use this pink color like.
Damn I can't I mean is Amish Kapoor or if that's if that's
the person's name. I'm going to be wrong about the
name. Are they like a bad person?
I think it's just more of like it was like trying to to
copyright a color made this other artist angry.
Because I can see like a friendly little, little little
feud over black paint, like being hilarious and good
publicity for both artists. But.
No, I think he was like, pretty serious.
Amish Kapoor black paint. I'm prepared to be so wrong.
Is it Amish Kapoor or Anish Kapoor?
It might be Anish Kapoor. What did I say?
Amish. No, I think I heard a.
Beautiful blending of two cultures, right?
Yeah, Anish Kapoor's controversial Vantablack works
fine. So it looks like Anish Kapoor is
a person who. Has Yeah, OK, I was writing OK.
I did say Amish though I think. Reddit says today I learned
Anish Kapoor bought exclusive rights to the Vantablack world's
blackest paint, so artist Stuart Semple developed a new pigment.
Yeah. The pinkest pink to rival the
exclusivity of Kapoor's black. I told that story wrong.
Simplest Pigment was released on sale to anyone in the world
except Anish Kapoor. I have like 50% of that story
like dead on. That's pretty cool, so it looks
so honest before like copyrighted their thing so
people couldn't use their paint without paying them I guess.
Can I move? The microphone right to me.
Yeah, closer to you. Yeah, I'm just gonna pull it,
OK? I just feel like I'm very quiet.
Yeah, you weren't sorry I talked over.
You and I'm a very loud guy. You were a loud, loud boy.
I do like in a world like 2 artists just trying to make the
blackest black and they're just like man, you can't see shit
with my pain. You know?
Like look, I painted a horse. Where is it?
He doesn't even look like he's there.
Is that is that a silhouette of a horse?
Is that the shadow of a horse? Is that the dream of a nightmare
horse? Did somebody use the pen tool to
very accurately outline this horse and then press control X
to copy it? Or cut it.
Is there a big ass horse on my clipboard right now, Katie?
Did you know that you don't like, you don't have to go
around anymore? There's like a magic AI robot
that will just do it. That's crazy.
Makes me deeply sad. That's crazy.
My dad taught me illustrator when I was like I was probably
10, you know, he taught me like the pen tool and look at the the
pen tool illustrator and Photoshop and all that stuff.
And now almost all of those skills slash tools are obsolete.
Like I remember like doing school projects and being all
cool 'cause like I could make these cool diagrams and stuff
'cause I knew how to use Illustrator.
And like now I do that accidentally on my phone.
Like if I take a picture of you and like and swiping like
through my pictures, but I hold my thumb down for a little too
long, it just cuts you out 'cause that's like the shorthand
on an iPhone to do that. And every time that happens, I'm
like, wow, that used to take me an hour.
It's weird. The one that I think about, and
this is one that is like it's really close to my heart, is
that I used to work at comedy sports and when I worked at
comedy sports, they so the way that comedy sports work is
basically whose line is it anyway?
Except there's two teams and they're competing.
But like it's kind of a real competition, but it's kind of
not a real competition, you know what I mean?
But so there is a referee and then there's the two teams and
then there's a scorekeeper who's called Mr. Voice.
And I was the first Miss Voice. I was one of the first women to
ever do it. But when we moved into our new
theater, I'm sorry, this is a long story.
But we never talked. About this, and it's a very fond
memory of mine. But when we moved into the new
theater, there's this huge movie screen because they had bought a
movie, a movie theater, and they turned it into like a, a live
theater. And so there's this huge screen.
And I was like, I bet that we could do some fun stuff with the
screen. And so I started doing fun stuff
with the screen. I like, I like, I started out
doing like Adult Swim stuff where like during the during the
intermissions, I'd be like, hey, you next slide guy in the hat.
Yeah, you at the table with the lady like in it 'cause I would
just be doing it live. And so I started doing that and
then I started doing it during the matches.
And so like, if somebody would, you know, like, hey, we, we need
a suggestion. And the suggestion is like a
kitten wearing a sombrero mowing the lawn.
And I got Eric I got so good at by the end of those games, I
would be able to throw them up on the screen like.
I was. So good at it.
I was so good at it, yeah. And I had like a whole system
and I would do all this stuff. And now there's just a a robot
that you just go, I need a picture of an A kitten wearing a
sombrero mowing the lawn and then just goes and it seals
somebody'd work and it does it. But like that I would do that,
but I would do that life. And I was so proud of that
skull. And everybody was really
impressed about it. And it got to the point where we
hosted the the world Tournament and they flew me back.
No shit. So I could do that because they
wanted to show off like, here's what's possible if you have
like, a competent person in the booth who is also an improviser.
Yeah. And so like, I would run tech
and it was like, it was so fun. And it was something that I was
really proud of. And I like turned it into like
a, a character at comedy sports and then now AI can just do
that. But and which is like fine, I
guess, but it's also like, it makes me really sad because I
remember just people were like, how did you do that?
And I'm like, I'm very, very fast at Photoshop.
Yeah, something that makes me feel, First off, I think about
Mr. Boyce all the time. I think it's brilliant.
Like it's probably like, 'cause that's one of those things you
didn't like. Comedy Sports was sounds like it
was a really good show. I wasn't around that.
Wasn't there Comedy Sports Show? Oh, I'd love to go to Comedy
Sports. Like it was a good show.
It would have been fine if it just kept being what it was.
But you were like, what other cool shit can we do?
And like, that's cool. Like that's just a cool thing.
Hold. On I'm taking up Bailey's collar
because she's collecting it right next to the microphone.
Podcast dogs, podcast dog silence.
Well I was thinking about like. So I just got back from Bay Area
Maker Fair. Yeah, How was it?
It was fucking awesome. It was the coolest shit ever.
I helped run Mike's booth. Mike.
Props to history Michael Corey, current art director at Funko
Studios. Good for him.
Let's go, Mike. Congratulations.
Shout out to Mike, it's a train job.
That's an appropriate use of that sound.
That is, but yeah, so if you know Michael Corey, everybody
congratulate him on. Sorry, Bills.
What we were. Too loud for Bailey, She.
Got up guys, I know you know what over stimulation is.
I'm sorry, buddy, Oh, but sorry, was I was working the this booth
and the booth was called faking it.
I promise this is coming back to comedy, sports and and AI, which
is the you can sell any podcast. If you talk about AII don't
think we're selling podcast. I guess that's not the word.
I don't. I don't know how to tell you
this, but we're not making this. Podcast right now, they're
making people happy, which is we're making people my favorite
thing. Which also is how you can pay
your rent and making people happy.
That's true. Hopefully that's that's the
dream Maker Faire Maker Faire so that Maker Faire and Michael's
booth Michael Mike's booth was called faking it.
Mike again, props to history. I should just props to history.
Props to History. Props to History's booth was
called Faking It, and it was all about how to make fake movie
props. You know, when they got like,
the squishy hammer for bonking people on the head or like the
foe Manville, so that, you know, you can have the superhero throw
it or whatever. Or more often, just so it's
safer. So if somebody tends, you know,
happens to trip. I was amazed at how mundane some
of the situations are. It's just like if somebody
falls. Down.
Yeah, like so much stuff is fake in movies.
That isn't fake for a reason. It's fake as like a contingency,
you know, Like if you have an actor in a background with a
shovel, you know? Like that one guy in James Bond.
Oh, who's not shoveling anything?
Yeah, exactly. Well, the reason he wasn't
shoveling I, I bet $1000 the reason he wasn't shoveling
anything is because there was a fake shovel.
It was it was foam on the head of it so he couldn't plunge it
into the ground, you know, but a lot of the reasons stuff is fake
is just because if that actor after 20 takes just stand there
doing the thing. One, it's lighter.
Foam is lighter than metal and wood and stuff.
So they can do that take without getting fatigued or getting less
fatigued, supposedly. But if on the 19th take he does
a weird thing and falls on it or like hits his toe, if that's a
real shovel, one, that hurts somebody, you don't want to hurt
anybody. But two, that delays production
for like potentially hours. And that's money.
Like if you have Brad Pitt on set and you have to delay
production for another hour since 100 grand or something
like so ANYWAYS, it's always good to have stuff safer.
But anyways, one of the main questions that we got from
people who visited the booth was like, so how's the industry, you
know, now that everything's CGI and you know, and one, I'm so
new to the industry, so I'm not like, I don't have stories to
tell, but you know, I'm familiar with the industry.
And the truth of the matter is, is there's a big backswing.
People are getting really sick of CGI because there's just a
feeling to it that's just not quite right.
It's not like a necessarily a describable thing, But
apparently when audiences see a big CGI thing, they're more
they'll they're less likely to be like emotionally impacted by
this. I'm pulling this out of my ass,
but this no, it's true anecdotal, you know, evidence
they're less likely to be emotionally impacted or whatever
by the scene if on in the back of their mind, they know it's
just a bunch of computers and whatever the fuck.
Whereas if it's real, and by real, I mean real fake, but if
it's physical objects, it's just more, it hits them on a more
visceral level because they know that that's actually a big
monster thing standing in front of the actor, even if it's a,
you know, animatronic or something like that.
So there seems to be sort of a backswing where people are
craving more practical stuff, if that will last.
I mean, probably not, you know. I feel like it's just gonna the
pendulum's gonna go one way. Like people are like, we got
Avengers end game, right? And it was like the CGI is CGI,
but it's never CGI. And it was good.
It was a great movie, but then people were like, I want
something a little bit more real.
So pendulum goes over this way. People are like, yeah, but like
I miss those like giant, like Marvel crazy, like, you know, a
million bad guy movies. And I feel like it's just gonna
keep, you know, because I mean that like, you see that with
like horror movies and stuff too.
Like horror movies go from being like slasher films to like more
cerebral to like back to like hyper, you know what I mean?
Like there's like trends in horror.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, you know, I guess the
more like cynical capitalist part of me.
Not that there's really any part of me that's capitalist, but
well, like, never mind. Thinks it's just about whoever
who has the money and who's buying movie tickets.
You know, like if the if the generation that's buying movie
tickets is nostalgic for. Skippity toilet.
For breakfast. You know, guys, this movie's
great. Thank you so much.
You know Mr. Spielberg, but there's just movie Skippity,
dude. This movie is straight up got
that skippity Ohio rizz man. This movie's I don't know
anymore. Like those are my three slides.
But I mean, what I mean to say is I think there's something
missing when it when when there's less human element into
in making something. I agree, like because I mean,
for me as a person who likes art of various kind of like part of
it is knowing that like a person sat there and made that thing,
you know, and assuming people still sat there and made the CGI
stuff. No, of course they didn't.
And that's absolutely an art in its own form.
I don't mean to say that it's not, but it's a less, it's, it's
harder to identify with that art as a layperson because a
layperson can imagine holding the helmet.
Fewer lay people can imagine 3D modeling the helmet and
rendering it with light and all that kind of stuff.
So anyway, so, so I think like Mr. Voice I don't think would be
nearly as impactful if they were AI drawings.
I think part of, you know, even if it's if it's way back there
in the brain, part of like, the joy of that is knowing that
there is an improver up in the booth scrambling during the
sketch to like makes you know, 'cause then you get to think why
do they choose that image? Or, you know, maybe, maybe part
of the reason it's funny is that you chose 2 seemingly
incongruous images that AI would never do 'cause AI's whole job
is to make things, you know, I don't know.
So part of me is hopeful for like that.
I feel like, I think that was part of it.
I think that it was, it was like there was like a gamification of
it where it was like I was also racing the clock to like, but at
the time doing something that was very hard to do.
That was the novelty of it. But yeah, anyway, I missed that
job. That sounds like a fucking great
job. It was.
I was very good at it. Weren't we going to do a Mr.
Voice type thing? I just remember like early on
when we met and we were doing more like live shows and stuff,
I just 'cause that's when you originally told me about Mr.
Voice. It was 'cause I was pitching
something maybe we were doing, maybe it was when we were Twitch
streaming. Oh yeah.
And it was like, oh, if, you know, one of us could be off to
the side, like as we go. Who could be like the the John,
not John Edwards? Jon Stewart, who's?
The the No Jon the English guy The English 1.
Oh, John Oliver. John Oliver.
That's John. John Edwards isn't John Edwards.
Isn't he the medium? John Edwards.
He's a psychic, he's a medium and an ex vice presidential
candidate. I know he was John Kerry's.
Who are you thinking? About Vice President of
candidate, I always think of the word from Stephen Colbert from
the Colbert Airport when he's like, and it brings us to
tonight's word. Yeah, okay.
John Edwards, former United States Senator, and then John
Edwards who is also a medium American TV presence.
To John Edwards. I used to get those conflated
during that I was I was really young.
During that 2004, I would have been 10 and I remember South
Park had just done an episode on the medium, John Edwards, and I
was like, why the fuck is that guy going to be vice president?
Like that sounds like a terrible day for vice president for so
many reasons. Why?
Oh my gosh. But he can talk to the ghosts of
ex presidents and be like George Washington.
My boy, what do you what? What should I do?
That's true. I remember in the South Park
episode with John Edwards, Stan, he comes to like Stan's house
and is trying cause Stan's like talking shit about him publicly
or something. And he's like, hey, I just
wanted to like clear up with you.
You know what I do? And I remember Stan says, yeah,
you're, you're what did he say? He says you're knowingly doing
harm for your own benefit. You're literally the definition
of evil. And for some reason that stuck
in my head, like knowingly doing harm for your own gain.
It's the definition of evil. It's not.
I don't know if it's literally the definition of evil, but.
According to South Park. According to South Park, it is
in South Park. Is a, is a is a is a not a
primary source that's not is, is a.
They were there when language was invented.
They were. That's true.
They might have been season 20 billion or something.
This is true. How was your time We also.
I thought something interesting first.
No, please do that. That was the.
Winter, no. So Speaking of content creators
who we know and love, Forrest Valky Forest, renegade science
teacher the other day was doing a, I don't know if it's the
other day where it's coming up, but he was doing a convention of
like sciency people and like Neil deGrasse Tyson is going to
be there like all sort of stuff. But there is a magician coming
who is a medium or like a mentalist mind reader.
And so in for in the comments on Forest's post about it, there
were a bunch of people who were like, why is a fucking mind
reader mentalist guy going? And then it was super fun for me
because I got to be like you guys, like mentalist and mind
readers have like a storied history of like debunking
sidekicks and like fake mediums and stuff.
And that was like a big part of magic history was like mentalist
and minor is going like we're doing the same thing, but like
we're selling tickets like this is really the only you know.
And so it was like super interesting because that's like
a really important part of magic history that people forget.
It's like a lot of magicians were like debunkers and like,
and Penn and Teller even kind of like took up that mantle when
they did like that bullshit show.
But that's like very, like storied in magician history.
Who's the one that's? All I wanted to.
Say there's a there's a magician who like at like later like
towards the end of his life that he was just obsessed with
mediums and trying to find a legitimate medium.
But he knows how magic works, so he knew that none of them were
real. There was a movie about it.
Like he puts a. Prestige No.
No, I think it's a Tom Hiddleston movie.
Am I making that up? But there's a scene where like
he's around this like Seance table and they turn off the
lights and there's like a ghostly voice, but he puts shoe
Polish on the end of of the horn on the table that, you know, was
supposedly just sitting there. But speaking through this
ghostly apparition, he puts shoe Polish on the mouthpiece.
So when the lights come back on, one of the guys says shoe Polish
on his mouth and he's just like, OK but.
Like, I haven't seen that movie, but I know that like, there were
a lot of people. Watching that on a.
Plane or something. It might have been Houdini.
Yeah, I feel Houdini was. Was like one of those guys.
Yeah, right. I don't know.
I'm really bad at remembering names.
Like, it's one of my like, weird ADHD shame things where like, I
know a lot about Shakespeare. I know a lot about like history.
But if you're like, in what year did William Shakespeare, right?
And I'm like, I don't know. Or like, who's this guy?
Like, I don't know, I gotta Google it.
And because I'm bad, like recall.
And so it always made me feel like a really bad academic.
So whenever I'm like, oh, I can't tell you off the top of my
head, like what this guy's name is, then I always feel like a
little bit guilty and stupid. OK, that's what writing stuff
down. I know.
That's what AI is for sweetie. Sorry, that's what it is.
No, Mike is insanely good at remembering details.
He's so talented. And I always feel really dumb.
Like no. Well, he'll like, oh, for
example, and it's on the fly too.
Like sometimes they're like, OK, well, this is a special interest
of yours. Like this story specifically,
which is why you remember everything.
But like, Maker Faire Bay Area was on the location of the place
was on a street called Nimitz Ave.
And I was like Nimitz. And I was like, that's a funny
name. Like Nimitz.
That's fun to say. And he goes, oh, Nimitz was
actually the Admiral of the Pacific Fleet during World War
2. And this proceeds to just like
day by day. And he was again then on July
4th, 1941. And he was like, oh, yeah.
And then his Admiral, corporal, whatever the fuck.
Like he just names all these names like off the fly.
Like he didn't know Nimitz was going to be.
It was just we saw the sign. I was just like God damn, that's
amazing. I think it'd be really fun to
have well have the pockets, but also have in like AD and D
campaign that's set in like I bet he would be an amazing DM
for like a, you know, not, not D&D obviously, but like a
tabletop RBG situation that's set anywhere in, you know,
between 1939 and 1945. It's.
Really funny that you bring that up now, because there's also an
intense debate going on on the Internet on the TTRPG side of
things, but whether D&D is war game, and people have extremely
strong opinions about whether D&D is or is not in fact a war
game. And I'm here to tell you all
publicly on the record, I don't give a shit.
Play your game how you play. I don't care.
Y'all need to stop. You need to stop.
It's getting too much. Not every take has to be hot.
Sometimes they can just be beige lukewarm takes.
Like hey play your game how you want and I'll play my game how
you want and we can all be friends.
That's OK too. You can just do that.
That's the thing you can do, guys.
You can also have interesting spirited discussions about stuff
without it being about how the other side is piece of shit and
stupid and wrong and just be like interesting that's what.
Who knows, maybe it is. That's.
Interesting. I, I grew up and it's really
interesting because I see this difference a lot with your
family and my family because your family is a family who
enjoys the spirited debate and it's really fun.
I love being like at your family for like, you know, holidays and
stuff because it's just like, what do you think about, I don't
know, world topic? Yeah, we can get an intense
discussion. And just be like, but it's like,
but it's like for the spirit of debate, like my family growing
up, like debate was to prove the other person wrong.
And like, so there was, it was, there was never like healthy fun
debate. There was only like fighting
debate. And it's like, I, I think that's
like something that has started to happen on social media like a
lot where it's like, you can disagree with like someone's
opinion about a movie, but it doesn't make them a horrible
person. It doesn't make them a bad
person. It they can still be a very good
person and just have like a bad take about Indiana Jones.
It's OK. But it's really funny to me how
people just can have started conflating.
Like, your opinion means that you're a terrible person.
And it's like, unless you're like a Nazi, if you're a Nazi,
then yes, you're a bad person. Like they're within reason.
Yeah, within reason. You know, if you're like racism,
not that bad, like, yeah, you're like, you're a bad person, like,
but you know what I mean? Like, it's just, it's so weird
to me, like how how that happens.
And I'm like, I miss respectful spirits and debates.
That's why like debate, you know, like debate club.
Like it was fun cuz it was literally just like we're
learning how to art like this. We think what we think about
this topic. But like what we're doing right
now is I'm realizing just as you were saying that, like I have
you heard of the just world fallacy?
It's one of the logical fallacies.
The just world fallacy is the belief that the world is a is a
nicer, kinder, whatever place than it really is such that
you're not engaging for the purposes of not engaging with
something that happens. So for example, if I go back
home for Christmas or something and I say, you know, I don't
know, the insulin producers are jacking up the price of insulin
just to make money and they don't give a fuck about we
watched ATV show, But that's also absolutely real thing.
And if one of my family members wished to go, no, they wouldn't
do that. You know, like nobody could,
would, could possibly be that like greedy or whatever like
them and therefore refuse to engage with it.
Like that's the just world fallacy.
OK, I noticed that I sort of did a bit of that.
I do, I do a bit of that in my friendships really.
Like I must think, I don't want to, you know, name anybody
specific because we all do it to some extent.
But you know, I would be developing some sort of
friendship in like my mid early 20s or something like that.
And I liked people who were, you know, heady and liked talking
about lofty ideas and shit. And I would frequently, you
know, think to myself in one of those conversations with one of
those people like, wow, look at this, isn't this cool that we're
having this spirited debate about something?
But it's not about, you know, I know that we could get really
intense. And at the end of it, we'll,
it's like we were just talking about something else.
And then they thought you were just an asshole.
Well, well, maybe I I don't want to claim to know what they were
thinking, but, well, I'm about to.
But then I realized, like, that was only come on my side.
Like I realized the reason I felt that way is because I
always conceded. I always conceded because at
some point I'm just doing it for love of the game.
Yeah. So like, I don't really care
that much about, you know, I don't know, some, I mean,
there's some things of course I do care deeply about.
But if we were just talking about something, you know,
about, like why car manufacturers, you know, make a
part a certain way or whatever the fuck.
Like I only care to the to the extent that it's an interesting
way to spend time talking about it, you know, But so I would
always concede when it got to my like, yeah, well, you're
probably right, you know, or whatever.
And then I would realize, I think in my mid 20s, around
2526, I started going, what if I kept going?
Would this person eventually concede to me if they were
clearly wrong, like on things that I knew I was right about?
Cause at that point I was, you know, decently educated about
stuff. Like, so like if it was music
theory, like I know when I'm right, you know, and a lot of
times, no, they would never concede.
They would stick to their thing. And, and, and just, you know, I
think one point I said, like, dude, like aside, you know, this
topic aside, like, I went to music school and studied this.
You didn't. So just roll the dice.
The chances are that I'm right. Like if you had, if you were
looking at the two of us argue and decide which, and having no
idea what we were talking about, just go.
I think the guy who studied this formally is probably right.
And I was very disappointed that a lot of my friends wouldn't do
that. They would just.
They were arguing to fucking win, you know?
And that was kind of shattering, you know, when I realized that.
Yeah. Well, yeah.
Yeah, because I don't know, I've been talking for a minute now,
but like I my intelligence is like my greatest insecurity
since I was like a little kid and working on it has been and
continue will continue to be like a lifelong thing.
And so I have to compartmentalize it on some
level that like intellect is a skill, much like, you know,
playing basketball as a skill. And I, and just like a
basketball player shouldn't define their self worth solely
on how good they are at basketball.
I shouldn't put myself worth solely on how smart I think I am
or how good I am at arguing or debating or whatever.
So I very deliberately would practice and still do practice,
like letting it go and just going, you know what, I don't
fucking know everything, you know, like whatever.
And then when I realized that that's largely not reciprocated
by people, it was just kind of sad, you know, I don't remember
why I brought that up, but I. Don't either.
Yeah, you know, but no, I think it's, I think it's interesting.
I think it's, it's always like, it's interesting to learn about
someone's worldview, especially on things like how do we debate?
How do we have like, well, it's, it's not to shill for my
podcast, but also shill for my podcast.
It's like, it's a lot of why I wanted to start doing, sorry I
missed this because it's like, how do these core beliefs and
these core values shape how we communicate and then layer on
little spicy neuro divergency or whatever.
It's really interesting. It's really interesting to see
like people like, no, I cannot. I cannot seed.
I cannot. You know what I mean?
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know where I was going
with that, but. I feel like I talked to her for
a really long time. I.
Don't feel like you did well, thanks.
I feel like you said what you wanted to say and that was an
appropriate amount of time to say it.
Well, thank you so much. I appreciate it.
OK, Katie, you are. You want to do a little improv
dump thing, OK. You're a person.
OK, Who is afraid of snakes? OK.
So that's that's, that's who you are.
And I am a person who has a surprising amount of snakes.
Just like on your person. Yeah, just on my person in my
life, but mainly on my person, yeah.
OK, OK, OK. Oh hey, how's it going Janine?
We met in 7th grade. Do you remember that we two were
in biology together? Robert.
Robert Yeah, yeah, it's good to see you.
How you doing? Great.
I like, is that a scarf that you're wearing that is moving?
Oh no. Actually, this is This is
Blenny. He's a.
Oh, wow, that you don't have to hand it to me.
That's no. It's OK, he's really so.
I'm gonna, I'm just gonna actually step over here and just
admire from afar. We love the Fit 0.
Love the fit, are you? Are you afraid of snakes?
No, no. It's OK if you I I run into a
lot of people. Like no love snakes up in my
business. Oh.
Cool, here I actually have. Hold on.
I pull open. Oh, you have more.
It's like a trench coat full of. Watches.
Yeah, but they're snakes. And I pull and I'm go.
Look here, this is Bobby. Oh wow.
Hello. Bobby, he's so good here.
Are you sure you don't want to? Hold you know, but I would hate
for my hands to befoul your beautiful snakes.
OK, that's, that's fair. Thank you.
Hey, I just want to say like, it's OK if you're afraid of
snakes. Indiana Jones was afraid of
snakes. Yeah, but you know, Indiana
Jones, he had many positive qualities.
He did as well. He did.
How have you been since 7th grade?
I'm just gonna couple more steps back.
Oh, I've been good. Well, hey, listen, I it's, it's
look, look, these snakes, these snakes are perfectly safe.
That is great that yeah. I wouldn't care on dangerous
snakes. Look, watch this, watch this.
And I, I pick up the boa constrictor and I like put his
face, the boa constrictor's face in front of my face.
And I give him a little kiss on the mouth.
And I go, hey, look, would I do this if this was a dangerous
snake? Look, I would not if this was a
if I thought the snake was dangerous, I would not.
And I and I'd give him a little kiss on the front of his snake.
Oh. Wow, intimate snake lover.
Yeah, see Robbie the Snake. Totally snake.
That's what I call you. You still Robbie?
Still, you tell me that I've always been into snakes.
You do it. Yeah, they're pretty.
Strong on their on your notebook.
I did, yeah. And just lots of snake facts in
class. Yeah, here, watch, watch that.
Watch this. Look, when I do this, if this
snake was dangerous, I look just this, this usually convinces
people, OK, just if I usually. And so I, I take a snake and I
grab it by like the head very gently.
And I and I whisper into its ear.
I love you and the snake like licks my licks my face.
Wow, that I love a man. OK, hey, so would I do this?
And I reach into my pocket and I pull out a little snake sized
tuxedo and I put it on the snake and I put on like a wedding
veil, you know? And out of the bushes comes
another snake that's dressed like a priest.
Okay. And then we stand next to.
Each other. My God, there's one in the Bush.
Yeah, he just kind of follows me around.
Okay, I'm just gonna go stand. I'm just gonna watch.
It's great. Will you hold this actually and
I hand you a little ring? Yeah.
All right. Cool.
Yeah, No, you can stand over there.
That's fine. Yeah.
The ring is also is Hardy Snake. I love that it's a no no no,
that's not it's a it's a ring for a snake.
It looks like a snake though. Isn't every ring for a snake
technically? Depends on the snake.
Depends on the snake I guess. It's like.
Ring size. Yeah, ring size, snake size.
Sorry, OK, Sorry you're. Doing nothing.
Oh, thank you so much. Sir, are you, just to be very
clear, are you marrying the snake?
No, no, no, no, that's illegal. That's that would be illegal and
I, that would be very illegal. But I'm just, I'm just trying to
show you that they're perfectly harmless.
They're perfectly lovely, wonderful, intelligent,
compassionate, caring creatures. So I pulled.
Robbie, do you want to fuck the snake?
I want to fuck the snake. Yeah, I want to fuck the snake.
That's. Stinger.
Ching.
Ching and then it's SVU. Ching, ching, Ching.
How if you were going to make the the SVU sound like I feel
like Ching is not the right, like it's like Chong Chong.
I guess that's interesting. It's a very full spectrum noise,
yeah. You know what I mean?
Like, like it feels too high if you're like Ching Ching.
Yeah, I don't know. I think it because if I'm I'm
listening, it's. More of like a bong Bong Bong
Chong Chong. I'm also confusing it with the
the Adult Swim sound. Oh, you know when it has the
brackets and then goes like the adults swim because that's a
very higher pitch that one has like a ringing noise.
No, the SVU 1 is very like Gong Gong Gong Gong.
Yeah, it echo. It has like an echo.
It has an echo. It fades on a higher spectrum.
Yeah, well, hold on, I'm listening to it in my head.
I feel like I have an app on my phone where I can just push a
button and it makes the SVU. Now we can't hear it.
I've heard too many kung kungs in my head at various times and
it's obfuscated the actual kung kung.
Hold on. Sound button.
Up. It's sort of like a a Laurel
Yanny type situation. Oh, OK.
People call it, people call it Dun Dun.
Like they call it the Dun, but I don't feel like, I feel like
it's a chop. Yeah.
There's a there's definitely like a higher clicking.
Man. Like what I hear is picture like
like a piece of bamboo that's like 4 inches in diameter and
then you have like a drumstick and you hit it with the middle
of the drumstick, like play it, play it again.
Like I can hear that almost cowbell like sound.
Hold on, I'm going to turn it up really low.
Hear that? Cuz it's if that's like the
pitch, you hear it like right at the top of the thing.
Yeah, yeah. Also, dear listener, I am.
I'm probably not gonna go through and put in actual Dun
Dun. I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna
leave it. I feel like you'll probably be
able to hear some of. Them Oh yeah, and plus I don't
I'm sorry to want. It being too.
It's also cuz it's like but then there's.
And then there's a. This is ridiculous.
We got to stop. We're going to find the person
who made that Katie the Foley artist.
Oh. My God, Can you imagine
interviewing the person who bugs?
Can we interview the person who made the SVU?
Dot com Yeah, that sounds incredible.
I'm. Google I I.
Wonder I was thinking about being a Foley artist yesterday.
Who created the SVU sound Mike post also created the clang.
The clang. Is that what they call it?
The clang from SVU. Yes, Mike Post is the composer
who created the iconic Dun Dun Sound for Law and Order SVU.
Mike Post. Post described the sound.
As a podcast. OK, what do you think that sound
is supposed to represent? The gavel.
Interesting. Or something hitting like prison
bars maybe? Yeah, posts describe the sound
as a stylized sound of a jail cell locking.
Oh, he also said it's a composite of various sounds,
including a jail door slamming shut, a man hitting an anvil
with a hammer, drum noises and most importantly.
Fucking piece of bamboo. Oh my God, no.
What 100 men stomping on a wood floor in Japan.
Do they have to be in Japan or is that just where he found?
Out, that's what he says. Also, he might post produced Van
Halen's Van Halen Three album No Shit, and he has created
different versions of the sound for the show's spin off
including Law and Order Organized Crime.
We should listen to all of them back-to-back and try to find the
differences. That's really.
Good. I was really thinking about
being a Foley artist. And Mike Post says that he calls
it a Ching Ching because he's making money off of it.
That's what I'm saying. I'm saying it was like, you know
what I mean? Yeah, that was my original sound
pitch for that. What was do I what do I call it
A Ching Ching? Or a Dun Dun, yeah, 'cause I a
ching ching. Like that's what I always think
of. But.
Yeah, I guess, yeah. Maybe I read that once or.
Something I think I hear it going Dun Dun as like when it
gets referenced like in Family Guy.
If they're doing like a yeah, a law and order bit, they're like
Dun Dun, you know, or like a resident alien.
A surprising amount of law and order at references in the
resident alien. Which is also unexpectedly good
show. Yeah, Alan Tudick is a national
Goddamn. Trap that was I was.
I went into that show expecting absolutely fucking nothing and
it has given everything. Yeah, Alan Tudick.
For those of you who know, the premise is that Alan Tudick is
an alien that crash landed on Earth.
And like assume the. Straight up fucking murders a
guy. Straight up murders.
Let us not forget that the whole premise of the show is based on
lovable Alan Tudick trying to cover up the murder of the
human. But he's like, if a tiger kills
somebody, he doesn't, you know, we don't consider the tiger to
have murdered somebody. Yeah.
So like, an alien coming to the planet, like, murderers was
pretty commonplace on their planet, from what I remember.
Like killing another. Yeah.
It was just like, oh, I'm stronger than him.
So. Yeah.
But whatever, you know. The little the the guys in
Galaxy Quest. Like the guys in Galaxy he's.
Got a little, he's got a little hurt foot and then they eat each
other. Well, I, I think of when I watch
Resident Alien, I genuinely found myself thinking, I wonder
how they got the alien in the human suit because he's so good
at playing an alien, playing a guy like it's so like you can
see him trying and he'll pick up little things like if a person
says something with a certain accent or something like that,
you'll hear him like a scene later.
Try to like, you know, like say it, but like in a subtle, it's
just brilliant. He's so good.
Well, hey, I got to go make another podcast.
Oh, you do OK. So we got to go, dear friends,
but hey everybody, thanks for listening to Infinite Quest.
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That's not we're. Gonna go on tour.
Yeah, Well, that's what I asked. That was what I was gonna lead
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And then I blew it. Fuck no, I blew it.
I'm. Sorry, no, it's fine.
But OK, so, but for real, we have some important news about
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have the new official title. So we will be announcing that in
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morning's today we can't today we.
Probably shouldn't. I think we should give it a
minute. We do, I will point out well.
Stop by next week and we'll tell you the name of our book that is
not named the thing that you thought it was because we had to
change it. It's fine.
We'll tell you the story. It'll be great.
Yeah. So we have some information
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And also maybe I'm going to be doing like a, like a like a
speaking tour thing. I don't know.
It's things are getting crazy over here.
I have a new article in Playboy that just dropped.
Go listen, no, don't listen to it.
Go read it. That would be fine.
What else do we want? Start considering going to maker
fares because if things go the way that I kind of want them to,
I'll be going to more of them. So if you think about that, I
don't know, I'm just, I'm just priming people, you know, it's a
very different type of convention that we normally go
to, so. But yeah, don't forget to get
your absentee ballot if you need it.
If you're going on D3 at sea with me next week, make sure you
have your absentee ballot taken care of because you will be on a
boat in the middle of the ocean. But other than that, I can't
think of any pressing announcements, can you?
I got a job, but that's not really a big podcast
announcement. I got a job at Fonco Studios.
That's pretty cool announcing that start November 11th, baby.
So proud of you both. I'm so proud of you.
Thank you so much. It's gonna be a great time.
I'm gonna be doing a bunch of cool stuff that I can't talk.
About Professional Maker Guy, yeah, I can't think of anything
important. We'll keep you updated about the
book. Listen to our other stuff.
Watch our other stuff. Yeah, also because of our
schedules being weird, because Katie and I are now very sort of
disparate daily schedules, I feel like our podcast schedule
is going to be more of like a dump, you know?
No, it's. Possible.
Disagree hard. No.
You want to do it more consistently?
Yeah. OK.
Yeah, that would be good for us. OK, I take that.
I take that back. I didn't consult people before
saying. That should have not talked
about that. Live on air, that's fine.
Dump what? What?
What are you talking about? I was like about how our
schedules are different. Decide later.
Well, I would. It's OK.
It's OK.
I I would never mind, I could
just keep making mouth noises. OK.
Anyways, yeah, that's I think that's about the the end of it.
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Nailed that outro. Nailed it.
Good job on an outro. So good.
You wanna make out now? Yeah, just put my tongue right.