Hi everybody. It's me.
Hey, good and K. I just said a snarky thing to
KT. So she's sulking and she's
refusing to participate in the in the intro until I apologize
or something until July. I apologize.
I'm sorry. They do it for the record.
It was a joke, but it wasn't actually a just like right
before this. I was like, I hate you.
That's not what I said. Anyways, in this episode, we're
going to talk about impulsivity because impulsivity is a thing
that affects sometimes people with ADHD.
Apparently it does times. But yeah, thanks you for being
here. Apologies for this episode being
late. It's a long story, doesn't
matter. But anyways, here it is.
Here it is, it was a great conversation.
I think it was really excited about it was, it was loose,
like, we joke around but also, I think, you know, we said some
smart stuff and we could all of the bullshitter.
Yeah. That's that's like 50 years from
now, when the world is but dust in our podcast is but a memory
and somebody asks us about it, that's how I'm going.
What I'm going to say. There's a lot of bullshit, but
there's a certain sort stuff in between all the folds of the
most. I'm kidding me, the podcasting,
take over the world by then it's gonna be massive statues.
Really? Actual will be president of the
World by that. That's, that's correct.
Well, so is this microphone? The one that is recording
because that seems really quiet. Now, my voice just picks up a
lot better than yours. It is pretty simple.
Enjoy the episode by we're not recording this.
Hey kid. You want to get off your phone
and make a podcast. You were being mean to me.
So no I don't want to make money.
It's not bump the table with my I refuse to make a podcast under
protest. I've been told not to bump the
table, making a podcast. I gonna have to make the whole
show about me and just talk for an hour straight.
Oh no, you're wearing your new glasses.
And it's, you're too hot. I can't concentrate.
And to good-looking now, take off your glasses.
Bad ones. I'll put on those.
Put on the serial killer. Yeah, let me put on the Harry
Carey at once. Yeah, you're so hot, really?
Yeah. Oh shucks.
Do you want me to narrate a baseball game?
I do right now go? Oh so boys hit the ball.
Look at that. It's gone so far.
Good job baseball guys. Now he's running running real
quick. What's gonna have an egg?
Now I've invested at least we're gonna turn left at some point
and then he's going to make another left and if he's really
good, who gets to make that third left, Left and then he's
gonna get to go home. Just like we all will get home
base in between 29 and 12. Innings kind of a sex joke.
I guess that's a home base. Hi everybody.
It's me. Katie asaurus To whatever the
fuck this is. Yes, you might be wondering, you
might be thinking to yourself boy.
It sure is late on a Thursday. For them to post this episode,
you would be correct. Correct.
Because yesterday, I got a tattoo and it's cool.
It's a good tattoo, dinosaur gonna dinosaur, and I'm flowers
and flowers in it as well, and I'm pretty excited about it.
And that, oh, and then today, what are we doing right?
After this? Eric tell the people we're going
to move a big mirror. Oh, you mean after that we're
going to frolic on. That's yeah, that's Let's go.
I wasn't, I don't really care. It's really big notify.
Really big man talking about is that I wouldn't mention the
mirror. If it wasn't, it didn't come in
the largest Berkeley oversized. We're it is seven feet tall.
It was kind of funny. You were like, Eric, just go
look in the garage. Well, first time, I walked in
the office today and you were like, Eric, I fucked up.
And I was like, no. You did not.
Like, you know, trunk, I thought of something was like, oh God,
you're like, just go. Look in the garage here.
Okay, so I looked into the garage and from the angle that I
was looking. It's a very, it's very tall and
very Yeah, but not very thick. It's only right?
If it's like 3 inches, the actual mirrors like three inches
thick. So I open the garage door and I
see the box but I'm seeing it from the very side.
So for me it looked like a long thin box.
Yeah, and I was like, okay to know why I had to go downstairs
for this, but alright, so I walked back in and I was like,
that's a big box and you're like, yeah, it is, it really is.
And I was like, I mean, it's it's pretty big.
Like I didn't notice is pretty big, but like, I didn't want to
like, shut you down. This is like a sure.
It's A box. Like no, are go stare at it from
like we're. So you, go back down.
I open the garage door, I see it again, honking box and as I
walked around it, it just like you just this forced perspective
joke in real life happened. It just like grune I was like oh
my God like it was hard to tell when I was actually standing
directly in front of it because it kept like just kept getting
bigger. Anyways it is a very big mirror.
Now we have to move them here because I accidentally bought a
really big mirror on the internet.
We're gonna be fine. I have to Skateboards we can is
I think it'll be okay. I think what we should do is I
think we should bring it to the front of the house.
We take it up the stairs, then we bring it straight down the
hallway. Then we open the box.
Then we back the mirror up. We go diagonally to the bedroom
and then we lean it up against the wall, where it's going to
live forever until we move and then I will never see.
It's gonna let us stop changing glasses, dog.
You gotta stop. It's me know where those ones,
don't worry. Yeah, I mean, I don't care.
It's your face. Do we want?
Okay, but those are better. I'm just telling you as a
friend, those are better. It's where the mirror is going
to live in the Box forever. It's no.
We're going to take out of there and take out box.
That's right. I just and then yeah we're
definitely definitely sarcastic Eyes, Jeff willing to take it
out of the box, who Eric, it would be very silly feet and
take them out of the box because that otherwise I'll we can't see
yourself in a cardboard box. I see a lot of myself in a
cardboard box. You know you're useful for a
little while and people throw you away once they're done with
you. Seven foot tall mirrors.
So the the topic on the table today is impulse control and I
really like that in a conversation about impulsively
and impulse control, we have already imposed controlled our
way out of the topic into a strategy session about how to
move from here because this is an ADHD.
Yes it is. I love that we say that two
guests when they like are you gonna like me?
Like I just want like I'm not like an expert on anything, I'd
like, I don't know. I can't just, you know, talked
about this for an hour and be Relatively like oh, you can talk
about whatever you want. Yeah I think we're gonna we're
gonna ADHD is the sun around which we revolve but it's an
ADHD podcast the listeners. A lot of them have ADHD to
they're going to be glad when we go off on tangents.
Yeah. Can I get a whoo from everybody
at home? Who has ADHD?
I heard it. How crazy would it be if we just
heard like a course of Woo's from like, right outside the
house? Or like it's terrifying, just
like, will just be sleeping and then it various ports the day.
We'd hear. Whoo, you're like, oh somebody
Listening. That's weird.
The 25 years Eric. Oh yeah, that's another podcast
for 25 years. That was weird.
You should tell that story. Yeah.
Well, the story was, I was looking at our podcast numbers
because my jobs, our one-year anniversary.
Oh well, yesterday, last week was last week, one year podcast
were true, which means that we can do one-to-one like this week
last year. How is the podcast doing?
You know the first week as of last episode a year plus a week.
So I was looking the podcast numbers and I was like, holy
shit I get Those fun little comparisons in the two-week.
Period of was October. 5th was the first episode and the first
two week period. 345 people had listened and I think that was
like, an astronomically huge. Oh my God, it was like, oh my
gosh, do people listening like that was amazing. 300 people
listened in a week. There's two weeks.
Yeah. I mean and I'm gonna lie.
I was grateful for every single goddamn one of those like, holy
shit. This is amazing.
I'm is okay. If I say the actual numbers just
I don't care. Hello, fresh sponsor us.
He reached out to LA fresh, get them to sponsors, so we eat
food. It's been incredible.
I'm so fast. I felt.
I was like, I just realized that that we because we got the hell
fresh box, but then we're going to frolic on.
So, I don't know what to do, because we're gonna have like,
back we're having dinner backlog?
Yeah, it's going to be hello. Hello, not as freshening, not as
fresh. Hello, it'll be fine, your honor
Italy, fresh, your proteins would be fine because they're
frozen, the veg will probably just be a little bit naughty
Great. I'll be fun.
Well, I was thinking I was thinking about like making one
for like lunch and then oh yeah. We call this make the one that's
like most likely to spoil. You can also prep out the
vegetable. Well, we can't wait.
We have to leave today. I'm planning on us.
Like we will we could go through figure out every single thing
that needs to go to the vegetables.
Prep all those out because generally cooked vegetable
things will keep better than fresh vegetables.
Let's not do that. That would be a whole thing.
That would be very impulsive mirror.
Do we have to move it? So we have to move a 74.
Now we have to pack for Frolic on which is And that's gonna be
a fun pack. I have, I don't know what to
bring Eric. I'm having an existential crisis
about it, will go through together as well.
So there's going to be like there's like shopping.
Oh yeah yeah so and it's an Atlanta.
So like if we really forget something that's not what, if I
forget like my cool outfit and I suppose you can just go home.
If you forget your cool outfit, you can go not gonna drive all
the way back. Honestly, I probably will just
cause I like hanging out with you but it was funny joke.
Oh yeah. The podcast or the So we talked
about, so I was like, it's fine, we're doing right?
We're doing great. It's a great episode, an
impossibility. No Typecast cover.
Gaining some momentum. You know, it's very getting some
momentum going. We also use both came off our
twitch streams. I am, where I've just been
talking really fast for like an hour.
I'm genuine. I'm so fried, like, I say it was
like a chaos for him anyway and I just am like holy shit that
you do. She is wrong with me today?
Yeah, you can feel it. It's a bad day.
It's like when your brain is like yeah like you ever been in
like Manual car. If you're revering on first gear
and when you don't switch to Second.
So your RPMs are just like, but you're still just going like 50
miles an hour. That's kind of I don't know how
to drive a manual transmission. I don't think I do either but I
had a sport Shiftwell. Why how what do you know G still
scans? You know, I mean know how they
work. I don't I don't I don't know how
the clutch works. It stresses me out.
It's really hard to do. You have to use both feet?
Can you imagine the exhaustion? You be exhausted constantly.
I was pretty good in there. Video game called Forza Horizon
which is very popular there on the like their fifth iteration
now. Yeah, but there's like Ultra
realism mode where every car like has a clutch and a thing
and a whatever, right? And it is a lot.
I got pretty good at with an Xbox controller.
So, how different gonna be, you know, the same thing.
So he's podcast number is listen to see if I was my secret plan
was, I was gonna keep distracting you to see if we
could just get through the entire episode.
Would never actually saying the numbers.
Another piece is a very funny bit.
I sense that I sent that in. You Katie I said it's like, haha
Talk to you about mise en Place. She's that mean it's a French
phrase. Meaning give me a goddamn second
kid in bondage with audio. It's very old phrase, the
ancient Target. So the fat guys know.
We're gonna cast members. Anyways I got to we get to
compare compare this time now with this time last year anyways
in that same period that two-week period were 340.
Something people wasn't, I think the number we're actually still
not through that period yet, but as of this was two days ago,
that number was 17,000, he 17,000 people nuts all in that.
Got me like holy shit and then that got me going on, just like
weird numbers and stuff. We were like texting back and
forth about it and if you took every time I podcast has been
listened to, if you stacked it like sequentially.
It's like, every time it's been listened to, it was lifted to
one after the other. It would take over 25 years to
listen to them every day that about of times.
It's so weird, Jesus, we will Listen to our podcast for 25
years or 25 years. Yeah.
Oh my gosh. Can you imagine like what?
Like a really big and fancy podcast?
Like oh, I don't know. And that's why we drink.
What? A, what a great.
What a great podcast. Yeah, it's all we had a line.
Hello. Hello ma a.m. if you're
listening. Hi.
How's it going? Thanks for the shout out on
Instagram, the other day, please.
Yeah. But can you imagine like, you're
like the Adventure Zone, like they've probably been listening
for like millions of years, so it's going nuts.
I mean, what some point, the number it's so hard to like like
as grateful. Was for like, you know, 346 if I
was that many times, like if I truly apprehended how many more
time like, if I was that many times more grateful, does that
make sense that I was seventeen thousand or whatever /?
345 like I would be kind of tying.
I would be freaking out, like, it's high.
It's for can't wrap your constantly.
That's why I'm scared all the time.
I'm scared all the time. I flipped over to 1.3 today and
I'm scared. Oh, so scared, I'm scared all
the time. Well, you now have a Ian more
followers that I didn't take. You have to find a new podcast
party. Dude.
You're gonna have to do it. No, I like you.
I like you like three people in this world that I like, oh, shut
up smile. That's not true.
I like five people really counted them in my head.
Wow that's cool. How many times has Betty White
occur on that list for it's the other four that's when Chris
jumps in and pulls off a silicone mask you anyway.
Oh my God. Same time, fan Theory, Chris is
actually Betty White and just drew its Cannon.
The cannon passionately love with Betty White for years.
Hey I haven't we all sorry I just taking the silver and we
have everybody's spouse is very well agreed secret Betty, White
Clone Army. Also, if you do want to draw
that fan art, we would not be mad.
I would not be mad about that. I'd love to see Chris cosplaying
as Betty White. That would Pretty great.
I wouldn't I bet we can make that happen.
Oh no prep no. Quietly, asked him very nicely.
He would do it. You would totally do it 0.
So This Time episode is about impulsivity.
Yeah, we're talking about that so far warrants but seriously I
impulsively because ADHD in a lot of ways, there's a lot of
conversation about ADHD. Like it's a good thing is a bad
things, the superpower it's not a super powers at all this.
It says, it's all very complicated and impulsivity I
think is a very good like distilled little microcosm of
that, because a lot of the really shitty awful things that
have happened in my life have been because of my impulsivity,
which is directly related to ADHD, but a lot of the amazing
awesome things in my life, like moving to Georgia and like
meeting you and deciding you started podcasting.
Let's have all the Things are not all, but a lot of the best
things in my life, have also come from it from my impulsivity
and it's just a really strange thing to hold both of those
things at the same time because impulsivity can make me, you
know, buy stuff I can actually afford but it can also make me
make decisions that I wouldn't have.
Otherwise made that ended up going really well, like a 7-foot
mere like a 7-foot mirror. Katie exactly very much.
I mean, I think, yeah, I have a really weird.
Very weird relationship with, with my impulsivity. because, I
think for a really long time, I relied very heavily on
spontaneity, and I think it's important off the bat.
It is important to me that we distinguish the difference
between impulsivity and spontaneity.
I love you. I still don't quite.
I looked it up. Yeah, we looked it up and like
Merriam-Webster say, well, I didn't look at Merriam-Webster.
What? At Oxford say, I looked thank
you so. Okay, so there is there is a
very nuanced difference between impulsivity and spontaneity And
I think this is one of those ones were like, I really want to
make a tech talk about it because I think it's like, holy
shit. This could like change a lot of
relationships but impulsivity is grounded on acting in the
Moment, Like, immediately, like the thought occurs to you, and
then you you immediately do spontaneity is different because
spontaneity still encapsulate, School, Forward Thinking, future
planning, that kind of thing. And so the difference is like,
if we are Are we are struggling with impulse control and we're
like, fuck it, we're going to go go-karting great.
But then if we forget that, we were supposed to be at our
grandmother's birthday party at 3 p.m. that is not being
spontaneous, that is impulsivity spontaneous would be.
Oh my God. We should totally go golf
karting tomorrow because we've got, you know, we have Grandma's
birthday party angry and so is the difference between having
the the forethought in that impulsive moment.
Yes, I can be spontaneous. This is not going to affect me
negatively. It is not going to impact
anybody - Lee. It's not going to be hurtful
where is like impulse control. We can sometimes inadvertently
hurt people and we can inadvertently cause harm and
cause damage by virtue of not thinking ahead and not planning
ahead or buying a 7-foot mirror. Actually, I think in In terms of
the medical definition, like in terms of the diagnostic criteria
of ADHD first off in the diagnostic criteria for ADHD
hyperactivity is often slashed with impulsivity, they're not.
So not quite High particular interchangeably but very close
together. So we impulsivity is like
intrinsically related to ADHD and it from a diagnosis
perspective. But it's defined as action
without thought or excuse me, action without forethought which
is exactly. I believe what you just said as
well. Like, if we were, you know,
let's let's go go-karting but then we look up directions in
place when you finger, then we remember like, okay, we have to
do the thing after this. Let's make sure not to whatever
would be spontaneous and policy would be like, let's go
go-karting we don't really, we don't have the money to go
go-karting, you know, I have vertigo or something and imma
get super dizzy at like and not caring.
What any of that that would be most now.
So that was, if you were looking for it a much worse way of
describing it, then what you said.
So just in case anybody was hope was like, could you?
Explain that again, but just just shitty, you know?
Don't worry, always, although I just want to acknowledge.
If anybody hears, like, weird rustling in the background for
this entire episode, the amount of sensory overload, that I am
just in right now is so much that I'm barely functional.
It's so bad really, what kind of so bad would it help to talk
about it? You don't deserve.
So having a really bad pain day like and so like I woke up and I
felt like shit and I was like fuck like because sometimes you
just have a bad day. Day like your body.
Just says, Nope, not today. But like so like I'm more
Twitchy, which is making more shit hurt.
But then also, because I heard like, I'm just noticing
everything a lot more. And then I have this stupid
Santa Durham thing on my tattoo, which is constantly bugging me.
And so, like, just every like, I'm losing my shit right now.
Like, I'm not good, I'm sorry, okay, we really like you can't
see this at home, but I literally took off my clothes
kept sitting here in my underwear cause it's just like
fuck. Everything is touching me and I
hate it and I just I'm very stressed out right now.
I'm sorry sweeties ringing get help you on you.
That's that's so good. So helpful I totally definitely
felt that mild Breeze that mildly Gordo slightly minty, but
also still just like, I've like this, it's so bad.
And like that. I'm like, I, you know, when you
can, like, feel your hair, you're just like aware of your
hair's existence. I'm just, I just I'll go.
Yeah, I'm not good right now. I'm sorry.
You want a hat that hats often help me for that's why I have a
hat. You have a hat at my house.
Yeah we're not I don't take the show on the road.
So anyway about impulsive Christ.
No I'm sorry, sweetheart. Like knowledge of you and your
bracelets like I have to acknowledge this because I'm
just gonna constantly moving for this entire podcast.
You do what you gotta do. That's fine.
But that's also part of impulsivity.
Actually, I want to talk about this because I have picked a
hole in my neck and I want to talk about real, impulsivity and
body. Focus repetitive behaviors.
Hmm, because keep fucking change.
All right, so we're on to bra. No shirt and hoodie and hood and
unzipped hoodie. But I think I think if I do this
I have I do this. It'll be probably the I think
that's good. Would you like me to come around
and like, tuck your hair into your into the hood?
No, I'm good. Okay, thanks so anyway, body
focus. Repetitive behaviors are one
really interesting way. We're impulsively shows up and
we Don't think about it a lot as like an impulse control thing,
but it absolutely is because B FR B is stem from the sort of
like dopamine, that comes from like that repetitive, like,
instantaneous gratification thing.
And so a lot of times people are, oh, it's like this
completely separate thing for me to HD.
And I do know a lot of it has to do with impulse control.
And so in conversation with things like spontaneity versus
impulse control, I feel like be frbs are really good example of
how Impulsivity can actively harm.
You like to the point of like actively harming like your
physical being because if you lack the impulse control to be
like, no, I shouldn't pick right now.
I should like, pick at that scab or whatever, that can back.
Well, now I have like a fucking, I like a hole in my neck right
now because I keep picking up. Anyway, it's for where the fuck
I was going. Oh no.
That's a very I think it's real because I think it nuts of this
is about what, you know, this is about other people but you can't
really see it. I didn't I had to Like look, I
think, you know, I think it's gotten better, it was, it was,
I've been trying not to like, touch it as much but I just, I
know it's there. It's I keep being like yeah.
I know what you mean? Oh yeah.
Like when the roof of your mouth has a lot like gets definitely.
Eat some Captain Crunch or something and your mouth is all
screwed up. Yep.
Worst part about Captain Crunch. By the way, they can fix that
about encouraging greater. Like when you heat up your pizza
in the microwave, but that is too hot and then you is you get
the like cheese burn. Yeah, that's how that's how
hipsters eat pizza. Because because they eat it
before it was cool. No, but I'm glad you brought up.
I don't mean to keep munching my twitching like to plug it but
like we did talk about this for a while.
My twisting or about be frbs on twitchings but what I think is
interesting about impulse control be frbs, athe people's
low tonic dopamine. Is that a behavior like a body
focus, repetitive behavior. Let's say picking or something
like that. It, the reason for that.
Can be sort of divided into a amalgam of all of those
different things. Our relationship to dopamine are
impulsivity are poor cortical inhibition, which is basically
when a person's brain tells their body to do something.
There's a bunch of processes going on in your nervous system.
Basically, trying to stop that system trying to attenuate those
signals going to your hand to make it move or something like
that. Basically saying.
Are you sure? There's like a bouncer at the
door when your brain is like, you know, leap your cortical
inhibition is like look. Okay, fine.
Go people with ADHD have really shitty cortical in division.
Our body is not putting up as much of a fight.
So basically, we have to want to do something Less in order to
actually do it. We don't actually, you know, our
brain but by the time we think, like I should reach for that
thing across the table, we're already reaching for it and we
end up knocking on glass over whatever.
So that, but when it comes to something like a BF, R B1 we're
looking for dopamine, we just need something new to be
happening. We need a new sensation, a new
feeling a new, you know, sound whatever it is.
We need that because we want that to opening to our poor
cortical inhibition is going to make it easier for us to move
our hand in the way to pick it, the thing to do with the thing.
So it's like it's it's one of those things where like a BF r b
is not an ADHD thing in that if you have ADHD, then you have be
frbs. Or if you do any be frbs, then
you have ADHD. It's not that type of ADHD
thing. But an ADHD person's brain is
like Like made to do that kind of stuff.
And I mean, made to do this stuff like, you know, Force.
Yeah. It's for yeah, it's it's yes,
exactly. It's very prone to doing like
other thing, I'm same feeling with my glasses, a lot, just
Nutty Professor to myself. I just I just tilted.
My God Nancy the rest of podcasting glasses, but I think
that's why I think be frbs is a really interesting example
because like poor impulse control.
Like for example, people with ADHD often are often seen as
being sort of clumsy. We knock our, we injure
ourselves by bumping our knee on the table, or kicking our toes
or knocking something over on the table.
And a lot of that is due to well, a bunch of different
things. A lot of ADHD behaviors are the
result of a bunch of different things.
Going on, like, new knocking over a glass our brain one.
We want the thing that we're trying to grab across the table
right now because our brain needs dopamine.
And we need to have that right now.
So like we're not going to like we're trying to minimize the
amount. Out of time.
Between the thing not happening and the thing happening plus we
have poor cortical inhibition. So our nervous system is going
to put up, put up much of a fight and so we reach across and
we have we have a really hard time often dealing or processing
stimulus. So like the fact that there's a
glass in between the thing. I'm trying to grab and my hand
is competing with the sound of the lights buzzing and the TV
show that's on the background and that weird smell coming from
the kitchen, they're all competing for Supremacy and all
of those things mixed together. Results in knocking, over the
glass. And I think that's just one of
the things about ADHD. That, like, if I did, I feel
like I don't speak for you, but it would like what sort of one
of my missions that like a lot of Very granular, technical
things about ADHD result in behavior that is not a result of
any one of those things. But a result of a big mixture of
a lot of those things. And be frbs are very much, so
sort of, in that vein. So, I'm curious because it's
rare that I think it's just because you were talking about
it on Twitch. And so it was, it was in my
mind, but I'm interested in like the other ways that like,
impulse control shows up or like a lack of Impulse control shows
up in your life because I do mine.
I know my big one is like online shopping because I think this is
really interesting. Is that, like a lot of people
don't think of, like online shopping is like a like a, an
indicator of hyperactivity, or a lack of impulse control, but
especially in late diagnosed adults.
We see this a lot like problems with spending and like money.
And that kind of thing is because you're not necessarily
being hyperactive in. Like the traditional way of like
I'm like up and Around. But it's like the minute, the
idea that like oh, I need to buy jeans or like, oh, I should buy
those shoes, you're like, oh, I like that thing and then you
just do it. And there's that that like that
component, like spontaneity is thinking it through and going,
okay, like, do I have the money in my account, do I need a
7-foot mirror, whatever. I'm going to keep bringing it
back to their because so it's just very funny, there are meant
to show you yourself Katie, but they are in more ways than here
we are. Now, I can we talked about it on
the podcast and I was a tax write-off.
You're welcome man. So we're out there is somewhere
and just screams like and it's fucking punched a wall, she's a
goddamn it, you idiot. But but that's that's one of the
things that I really struggle with is like and I will get
fixated on something. Like, I will.
I will decide like it's 2:00 in the morning.
Now's the Time to buy the jeans. I desperately need a new pair of
jeans, and I have to do it right now, and if I don't do it right
now, I will surely die and there's no stopping.
And I think that's really interesting because we don't
think about it. I don't.
Well, at least I didn't really long time.
I just went. Oh, yeah, like shopping or
whatever, but I do know like this is this is a direct
manifestation of minor 0 Divergence e.
Oh yeah. I mean it's so it sounds like
correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like sort of the
impulsivity is what gets the pants shopping going olds, take
that one, like it gets the pants shopping going.
Indeed what role will what role do you think impulsivity plays
in the staying power of that activity?
Like the fact that you need to finish it and fucking by the
genes? You know like why is it that you
don't start to buy jeans and then think of something else?
And what role do you think impulsively plays in that man?
I think it depends because I think sometimes the dope it
becomes a conversation about the dopamine, reward more than
anything else. So like the dopamine of like I
have to buy the shoes or I have to buy the jeans right now.
Sometimes that's it. Sometimes the impulsivity is
like it is an entire it's an entire project or or whatever.
Like I'm gonna refinish the kitchen ceiling which is an
ongoing project that has been ongoing for months now at my
house or you know I'm going to I mean a really good example is
like, my becoming a magician like that was all just a lack of
impulse control. That was like, I got interested,
I got mad. Add.
Then I started buying like magic, tricks and books and
stuff. You know what I mean?
So it's like sometimes it's just like, I buy the shirt and then
it's done and then sometimes it's like, now I'm committed to
this thing and then it becomes like a hyper focus and then the
hyper-focus wears off and it's like, well now I have a box full
of magic tricks that I've never Hey everybody, look at that.
You made it to the middle of the episode.
Good job. Well done.
Drink some water, eat a snack. Do a little dance.
Wherever you are 17 push-ups die.
There's no I could not do something.
I don't, I think I need you to push.
You gotta Jam dude? Yeah, we have a membership.
We do. Speaking of places that you can
have memberships, nice, solid segue, so good and then I forgot
what I was gonna say. Oh, we're gonna be at game home.
Khan the week after I should start crying out.
We're going to be at Frolic on this weekend in Atlanta weekend.
After that, we're going to be a game whole Con in Madison,
Wisconsin and the weekend after or is it Emerald City called the
weekend after that? It's like December.
So that's like December. All right.
But we're going to be, we just got invited to Pax unplugged and
I'm real City Comic Con. So we're going to be there as
well. But yeah, so if you want to come
by and say hello, and hi, we would love that.
Yeah. And come to our panels and watch
us. Yeah, we're going to be.
We had our jobs in person, there and everything of the gaming
table and then yeah. So sorry.
Through every videos from panels and stuff.
Eric, I have no idea what I'm saying.
I'm so hungry. I'm pretty angry to.
Let's go. We should go eat something.
Just like you should do. Listen.
Yeah. And then do 17 push-ups.
No. Don't I can't do 70, push-ups.
I might ask them do something. I can't do.
Okay. Do one pushup?
Okay. Think about doing one.
Push up later bitter. A single push up.
Yeah. Also transition.
Well, I think it's interesting you brought up the magician
thing because it sort of brings brings back to that, that sort
of double edged sword of a lot of the things that go with it,
eh d because I mean, it seems like you being a magician, is a
good. It was a good thing.
Oh yeah, it was a ton of fun. I mean, I still am technically I
just don't like you're a. You're an active duty
noncombatant. Yeah.
Forsythe yes. What?
It's like Tony Stark said it when I was like oh that's a
useful thing to say and Makes me seem like I know stuff about
things. Let's say that and Tony Stark
says it's it's really interesting because like right
before the pandemic I was I was planning a tour, like I was I
was building a show. I was like actively doing
anything and then the pandemic happened and so then like that
all kind of went away and then I impose controlled my way and did
Tic-Tac and so, like, I haven't been really like active in the
magic Community. You're like doing much in Magic,
except I did just get interviewed by penguin like two
days ago. Twitter divergency, imagine
which is very cool hierarch. But like, I totally lost my
train of thought. I had like a whole thing to say
to fuck are you got you want you to find it?
Oh, give me a second. So impulsively, so like with
like impulsivity is hard for me because I feel like it shows up
in like two very different ways where it's like an
instantaneous. Like I have to buy the thing or
do this thing or I'm fucking I'm flying to France.
But then sometimes it's like I will impulse control my way into
like a hyper fixation or like a like something like that.
Does that kind of make sense? Yeah.
It's like a long-term, like a long term and short term.
Yeah, impulse control situation. Yeah.
It's sort of like Like for me, it's a lot of sort of like
activation energy, we're like the impulse control or the the
impulse is the the you know, the match that lights the fuse and
then that leads onto whatever leads on to that huge hyper
fixation, or whatever, or just a short term thing.
Yeah, but it's that it's that kick and for me I think that's
where I get a lot of use out of it.
Frankly, like a lot of decisions that one makes in one's life.
We're not certain about most of us were not certain about I'm
pretty sure if I make the decision to like, drop a ball,
it will fall like terms of physics, but like, we're making
a while, and then it just like hovered.
I just want to point out, that was something.
I love about scientists in general is like, if that
happened, that would be the best thing, every physicist in the
world hopes that that happens like, just once because that
would just blow everybody, like everything.
We know about physics is wrong, we're starting over.
What the hell is going on? Oh man if you drop something on
the floor now we're good. Step is really open.
I was really hoping they don't worry Neil deGrasse Tyson, we're
good, we're fine. Don't worry about.
It's all still working. I'm just saying.
Sometimes when we were playing hacky sack back in the day, back
in my, my sack hacking days occasionally in my fellow hacky
sack as well know this. Sometimes that hacky sack will
fall directly into the middle of the circle.
So, like everybody is equal claim to it and very often that
means nobody will go for it because they seem somebody that
was going to. And so, there's just this very
sad. I'd sort of flaccid moment of
just everybody just standing and watching it just under the
ground and you all kind of laugh.
But as my friends, I UCL gravity check just to make sure gravity
still working, you know, like still working guys.
Don't worry, it's fine. Yes.
Tell me more about your days as a hacky.
Sounds great was amazing. I had a tie-dyed rug rug, you
know, one of those. I don't know what they're
actually called, but you know, the drug, you know, I keep
talking about what is the drug? It's one of those.
If I showed it to you, to me to be like, oh yeah, but I don't
know if they're actually called, it's like those hoodies.
He's that are made out of like it's almost like a like a burlap
material kind of thing and they're very loose.
I like a Jacob Collier Poncho like coverity.
There's no way he doesn't know I'm like 45 drugs.
That's exactly right. I think he was probably wearing
a drug while he wrote his grammy-winning arrangement of
Moon River that I know you love so much.
It's entirely possible is entirely possible.
Doesn't really, you know, we're juggling really entirely
possible. Excellent patient.
Was that Joe Collier to call your banner Pockets?
Go beyond are going to fuck guys, please.
Um, what if we get an email from Jacob?
Collier be like her. You were talking shit, dog.
Aren't you were ducking. See, exactly, right.
We just works for Sleep one night and suddenly we just hear
us a faint. 37 part harmony coming from from outside.
He is coming, there's begging take of color.
You're standing outside the window with like a fucking boo
box above his head. I arranged this for you.
It's just for you. It's got a d f sharp in it.
We're my musicians. At my musicians are getting that
joke. It starts with the Tristan
Gordon come on, that's too Elementary for Jacob Collins.
Come on, you know what? You're right, you're right.
You're right. I'm sorry.
Dick of color. You would never use it just on
cord. My God.
Fuck is this podcast? Oh yeah, it's a lot of decisions
we make in life. I'm so impressed with it.
I was exactly where I left off. I think, let me know if I'm
wrong. Dear listener.
But a lot of the decisions you make in life.
We're not certain about. They involve a fair amount of
risk like for example To Georgia from California because I
started a podcast with somebody who I somebody who likes of
which I've never met before, and all that stuff, much, but
impulsivity helped me do that impulsivity has helped me talk
to people that eventually became good friends of mine.
And also videos, helped me take jobs that I was, I was nervous
to get. It was all, it's in a lot of
ways. It was a replacement for Faith
or perhaps, even a type of Faith.
Where like, I'm never going to be A certain about something.
So fuck it, you know. Yeah.
Like I'm sure like, you know, every what's that?
Amazing Tick-Tock song Arrangement.
The guy wrote a little bit everything all the time but he
did the HD version of it. Oh yeah.
It was, uh, it was all or nothing, all the time.
Yeah. Like my compulsion is to be
like, I'm gonna do all the math and figure out how exactly how
this can work. And inevitably all arrived at
the realization that I don't know what's going to happen.
I don't know what's going to happen when I moved to Georgia.
I don't know what's going to happen, you know.
When we, when I see somebody who I admired a convention and want
to go up and talk to them and I'm not the person I often don't
find myself having faith that it's going to go.
Well, I tried to, but that idea that just like I'm just going to
choose to believe that it's going to go well because that's
just better than believing that it isn't gonna go.
Well although I think I'm better at doing that than I was say
five years ago, but impulsivity can replace that sometimes
impulsivity, can fill that Gap, if I, if you're eighty percent,
sure. Sure.
But you're only going to do it if you're 100% sure impulsivity.
Can fill in that that last 20%, you know.
Like I'm this certain that it's going to go.
Well I'm 80 percent certain that is going to go well and I'm 20%
fuck it like and that can be really, really useful some of
the best things in my life like you and this podcast and The
Tick Tock I made that kicked off this whole thing for me, all of
that was done based on impulse. But a lot of the times when I've
thought I was gonna lose my apartment, cause I don't have
rent happen because I Impulsively bought a thing and
was like, I'll worry about the money later.
You know, it's a text messages that I've sent impulsively, that
I later realized was an incredibly like ill worded an
insensitive thing to say, or something like that.
It's a very, it's a very powerful thing at its core
impulsivity can be very powerful, but it's also at its
core. It's not controlled.
It's it's a, it's a, it's a massive sort of internal Cosmic
force that inherently is is capricious, which it can be very
useful and very detrimental at times.
So it's one of those things that I'm sort of a, I was, at my
thought, my feelings on, and I, my thoughts and my feelings on
it, averaged out to net to sort of net.
Apathy, I guess, we're like, I don't love it or hate it
because, like, as much as I love it, I also hate it for other
reasons. And So, eventually I land on
what I usually do when I'm thinking about my own mental
health, or mental health, and All our mental conditions in
general, is it is what it is? Yeah, it's just, it is,
impulsivity is useful in detrimental, but at the end of
the day, it is what it is. I started always feel like it's
like a with great power comes great responsibility.
I mean, because it's like for me, I mean, I already know how I
will die. Like iíve known this for a
while. Is that I will do anything?
If I think in three years, it will give me an excellent story
to tell at a cocktail party, like I will do anything.
And so it's like, Like that is one of my favorite things about
myself, but it is also how some very bad things have happened to
me. And so as I sort of like got
older and I realized that like I will do anything.
If I think it's going to be a funny story later on, then I was
like, okay well that's fine. Except that sometimes that can
ends really fucking badly and really fucking dangerous.
And so then that's where like I had to start really being like
okay there's a difference between spontaneity and like,
yeah, we're going to go do this fun thing and thinking it
through, you know, and and so that was really hard lesson for
me to learn because I had a completely sort of change how I
navigated my impulse control. And so now it's like a lot of
like, buying 7-foot in years, you know, because I can't steal
Yachts anymore. I'm an adult.
And so like that, that kind of situation.
It's yes. I'm laughing at the story
because I know the story. Yes, but I'm also laughing when
you're, like, I can't steal Yachts anywhere because I'm an
adult. I just pictured like a band of
dickensian Street urchins dislike Italian, who likes
stealing the great Pearl or whatever the hell, but they're
allowed to because their children.
Yes, well, it's also very important to imagine those
dickensian Street urchins being escorted by a Kiss cover.
Because that was the scenario in which I found myself.
You'll be stealing a yacht was With a Kiss cover band.
I will never tell the story. I will just continue to vaguely
reference it and we're in costume.
Yes, amazing. Yes.
But so, but you know, this was like that kind of thing where
it's, like, I love being impulsive.
I love, I love it. But I don't necessarily think
what I love is actually being impulsive.
What I love is being spontaneous and it's different and it's a
different thing. But my struggle Liz that I often
very often conflate the two and and so if an idea seems like a
good idea, it seems like a good idea and so it's fine.
It was like, it's great whatever.
But it's like, no really need to think this through like what are
the repercussions of this? Like do I need a 7-foot mirror?
Like, and in actuality like it's fine.
The mirror is fine. I keep joking about the beer but
like I bought the mirror. I do not regret the mirror.
The mirror will be useful. Subscribe to my only fans.
It'll be great but like but you know what I mean?
Like it. Like it's just, I always I feel,
I feel like I'm just saying the same thing you said, but poorly
but it's just like, I feel like it's just such a double-edged
sword where some of the best experiences of my entire life
have come out of a lack of impulse control and be like,
yep, fuck it, let's go, let's do it like butts, let's go do this
thing. Let's like go to this party,
whatever, but also, some of the worst experiences have come out
of that and so it's it's I have such a weird relationship
because like a lot of times like I look back and I go, oh, if
only, I'd done this differently or oh, if I'd only thought it
through, or if I'd only done this or that, or the other
thing, But you can't change those moments.
You can only serve like learn from them for the future and so,
yeah, I don't know. Like, I tend to be far far less
spontaneous Than I Used to Be and I think it's because like I
am, I am afraid that like bad things will happen if I'm sorry,
I just buy a lot of bullshit. I don't need on Amazon.
Do you think so? Do you think far less
spontaneous but still, as impulsive?
Yes, hmm. Yeah, I think so.
Because it's like, for me like and I realize how just
absolutely fucking pretentious that sounds, but like, before
the pandemic, I would try to go to London like once or twice a
year and I loved it. And I would save up and I would
save up and I would say about when I was taking my like, five
days off of work, you know, and whatever.
Because I loved going to like, the globe and, like, seeing all
the shows, like the RSC and like, all that stuff, because
I'm a Shakespeare nerd. But every time I went to London,
like, I would get in trouble. Like I would, Be like fuck it.
Like the world is my oyster here.
I am you know whatever and I would like get lost or get
robbed or what you know. Like there's always like
something that happens. And so now it's really
interesting because now I have like this weird like traveling
xiety about like well what if something bad happens or like
what if what if something goes wrong but it's also like I've
been stranded in the middle of London, two bottles of champagne
in and I was fine, you know? But like my concern about like
not letting the impulsivity win. Directly sort of like is
reflected in this like, oh my God, but like, what if I lose my
wallet? Or like, what if I lose my
phone? I like whatever.
And I'm insufferable the travel with.
And I know that, you know, this because I'm constantly freaking
out about something bad happening or something.
Like I think that's why we're great struggle because I always
assume it's gonna be fine. But it's like, but I used to be
like that, I used to absolutely be like that, but somewhere
along the line like I just like, I think I was so impulsive that
I've liked sort of steered the boat in the wrong, the stolen
boat in the wrong direction. And I've gone too far and I'm
like, oh no. Now I have to like control
everything and I have to be like like everything has to be like
arranged in whatever. But in reality, like I love just
like rocking up to a place that I've never been in one.
Like, fuck it. Like let's go to the art museum
and see what happens, but I feel like honestly, like, I don't
want to make it sad but I feel like my real struggles with
impulse control have like, sort of taken away.
A lot of the joy that I have about some stuff because I just,
I worry constantly that like something is Gonna go wrong
because of just how many bad choices I've made in my life.
No, I think I think about this a lot and I never I haven't quite
figured out exactly the words to say it so it's a bit frustrating
for me sometimes. But a lot of the really hard
struggles about ADHD don't come directly from the symptoms.
But but secondarily from the symptoms of the from the fact
that we're aware of it. And we have, we've been watching
ourselves our whole lives and we know that we behave in a certain
way. So the impulsivity isn't just
the Mmm. It's the fact that we know are
impulsive. Yeah.
And that we're liable to forget stuff and and all that, and I
think that can be quite painful be quite quickly and
traumatizing frankly. Yeah.
But do you think, do you think being impulsive is a decent
starting place to get to being spontaneous?
Oh, yeah. I mean, to beg the question if
I'm using that phrase correctly with no, I mean, no.
I mean, I know exactly what you mean like, and yeah, I think so.
I mean, I think, That it just it just it's being like,
spontaneity to me is just being impulsive but with caution and,
you know what I mean? Like that.
And that's kind of the thing is like, Whenever but my problem
is, like, I get fixated on stuff like if I'm being impulsive
about something, I'm also fixated on it and like, you
know, so so might show up as like, oh, I have to stay up
until you know, 4:30 in the morning, researching the best
pair of jeans to buy or like whatever or sometimes it's
something you know more profound.
Like I'm going to plan a vacation because I haven't gone
on vacation in a while or whatever.
And so I think that you can absolutely teach herself to say
okay. Like I'm having that impulse,
like, I need to buy jeans. So, take one step back and say,
first off, do I need jeans, you know, then it's like, take two
steps back. Okay, I do need jeans.
But it's like a little flow chart, you know, like do any
genes but do I have the money to buy jeans, right?
Like, okay, if I do have the money to buy jeans is that money
is spending that money on jeans, going to affect anything else in
my life, you know? And then it's like.
So what I have done is I've sort of trained myself in some
instances and I say this sort of him Critically having again just
bought a fucking 7-foot mirror but training yourself to say,
okay. I don't have to do this right
now. It is not going to kill me.
I'm not going to die. If I do not buy the jeans, I'm
not going to die. If I don't buy the plane ticket
or whatever, but it can feel like it.
Like, I don't know about you, but like, I like get like,
physically. Like I will get stressed out.
If like, I have that idea in the middle of the night, if I, if I
think at The Tick Tock or I like, I think, you know, like,
oh shit, did I? Die.
I don't know, turn off the coffee maker or whatever and
then it's like, I have to go, I have to do it.
I have to make the Tic Tac or whatever because I'm going to
lose it. I think that kind of ties into
what you were just talking about is that it's not necessarily the
symptoms but it's the secondary symptoms and mine is I know.
I'm going to forget stuff, I know I'm not going to remember
to do stuff. I know that I lose track of
things, I lose track of tasks, I get distracted whatever and so
it's like if I don't do it right now it's not going to happen and
because Cuz this feels so important because this feels so
necessary right now. In this moment, if I don't do
it, it will be bad. And so that is I think the
struggle is so like, and so like part of working towards
spontaneity rather than like impulsivity is like saying is, I
mean, literally what I just said, but I lost track of a
point four times at this point but like taking that step back
and saying like you don't need to buy the plane ticket to
France right now. It can wait, do your research?
Find the best deal. Take the time off of work you
know whatever and go from there. There.
Yeah that kind of is absolutely does.
Yeah I mean I think the concept of impulsivity at least as were
as we're talking about. It is intrinsically related to
time I think it's yeah forensically really bad time.
If I don't do this right now than something really bad is
going to happen later but I also think the solution or the
healthy way of dealing with it or however I don't want to, I
don't want to imply that there's some Correct way to handle this.
But but for the sake of simplifying, my language is a
solution. But I think the solution lies in
time as well. Yeah.
And giving yourself time. Yeah.
And in allowing yourself, I mean I think I'll often times of the
difference between impulsivity and spontaneity is time.
If I said let's go to Paris and we were on a flight five hours
from now that is well, we could probably play a pretty good trip
to Paris in five hours. Well, no, excuse me.
You could probably be pretty good trip to Paris.
It's I would be there for moral support but that would likely be
impulsive because there's to go to to go to Paris for a week.
You need to make sure you have hotels.
You need to make sure you have a money.
You need to make sure that gonna run out of money when you're
there, you do, make sure you have food, you need to make sure
your passports exist in our proximal.
So perhaps, in that case, the difference between impulsivity
and spontaneity would just be the amount of time is just
adding a dash of time. Let's go Paris.
Sure. Let's not leave tonight.
Let's leave three days from now. Let's give ourselves some time,
so I think in a lot of cases, I don't think this is a perfect,
mathematical definition, but I think in a lot of cases
spontaneity is impulsivity plus time.
Just you said something that profoundly affected me and I
think I'm having a podcast breakthrough which we haven't
had a minute. We haven't had a podcast
breakthrough in a minute but the problem Eric one of the other
problems is that if impulsivity plus time equals spontaneity,
the added complexity of it is that many, many people.
Myself included who have ADHD are exceptionally good at stuff.
Oh yeah, really quickly. Yeah.
Oh yeah. And so being impulsive Passive.
Like we could Tony like I know right now like if you're like
plan a trip to Paris we leave in five hours I could do that.
I 100% could do that but then it becomes like okay well at what
cost you know like and that's the problem is that because I
could Tony Stark it I could fucking I bet like IMA by the
end of the podcast I could fucking plan a really decent
vacation to Paris and it would be fine.
But like at what cost you know is it the cost of time isn't
monetary time, is it? Yeah, we can fucking go to Paris
but I'm supposed to be interviewed seven times next
week and now I have to reschedule all of them and so
it's like one of the challenges that I have in conversation with
impulsivity. Is I fuck up a lot?
I do like I fuck up a lot like I forget to send the email I you
know lose track of time or like I double booked myself.
I double booked so goddamn often and then it becomes.
Okay, well I impulsively said yes to this thing now how do I
backtrack how do I tell the LIE? How do I, how do I, you know,
navigate this solution so that I can fix the problem that I
already caused myself because of my impulse ibbity and some of it
is really easy is like I got like a calendly and it's fucking
changed my life sponsors, calendly.
You know what are like and but like you know, we keep talking
about hellofresh but like that's the other thing is like I'm
supposed to go to the grocery store.
I buy a bunch of shit that I'm never going to use and then I
throw it away. Hello.
Fresh has really and truly been like a really good thing for me.
I did that very impulsively but I don't regret it at all,
because I'm like this fucking rules, but sometimes it's like,
you forget to send an email for two weeks and then you have to
be like, oh sorry you totally got into my junk mail and it
looks like everybody fucking knows that's a lie but we all
just socially acceptable. I that we tell each other is
code for like we forgot the email but I have to do that a
lot and it makes me feel really bad like it makes me feel really
bad that. Like, sometimes the easiest way
to fix a problem is to lie and just be like, oh, The email must
have gotten lost or like you fell into my spam folder
whatever. When in reality, it's like no I
impulsively agreed to three interviews at the same time on
the same day and now I have to like work backwards to like fix
that damage that I did and that is very frustrating.
Mmm. Oh yeah.
And on, when you're talking about Tony Stark in the vacation
for also for reference there's a scene in Avengers the first
Avengers movie where Tony Stark comes into the bridge of one of
the big show. Sidney says some smart sounding
stuff about science and Cobie Smulders character.
Maria Hill says, when did you become an expert in
Thermonuclear Astrophysics? And he says last night because
you know, he's too well what he's Tony Stark, he's a genius
and all that God, Ivan, just showering, Tony Stark of Praise.
He is not a good person should not idle I study start.
Well, he ended up being a good person but in a lot of ways, he
was not sorry to me say Tony Stark in that means basically
just rapid fire. Getting proficient at something
as quickly as possible. Goddamn it, what happened?
Nothing, I just looked up how much flight to Paris really, is
it cheaper than you thought? It's, it's honestly weird paying
more money to fly to fucking Madison Wisconsin in really next
week. Wow, if you want to go to Paris,
we can do it for $464. Wow, Let's Go to Paris later.
Let's let's let's add some time to that.
So distracted by the class. Why did I look fuck?
But the amount anyway, so that's what we mean by Tony Stark Game.
And I think what's interesting about, if I if it is correct
that well, I do believe it is correct that impulsively and
spontaneity, or both intrinsically related to time.
And if it is also correct that one of the main differences
between impulsivity and spontaneity, is the addition of
time from Emma to impulsivity thus, creating a spontaneity.
That's also difficult because people with ADHD have A very
different relationship to time than people without ADHD.
For example, time to read a book for me is a lot.
I need a lot of. If you gave me a book and said,
I need you to read this book, I'm going to need like maybe a
couple weeks honestly, you just laugh.
I did because I'm literally going through this right now.
Somebody sent me this book because they want me to like
talk about it on Tick Tock. Oh, and they've sent me like
three emails being. Like, what do you think of the
book? I'm like, I am on chapter one.
Like I can read for 10 minutes at a time, like I'm very This is
going to take me a while and I feel like really guilty about it
but like, I don't know, sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt.
No, well, yeah, that's totally. That's exactly why I'm talking
about totally. So, like, how much time I need
to take a book? Like reason alone time is quite
a long, I think a bit longer than somebody who had ADHD or at
least without learning problems or reading problems.
However juggling I could right now I cannot drug like and 0
juggle. I am very confident that I could
be a an entirely competent juggler in an hour.
Probably like I'm trying for like five years and I have like,
I want you to know I have access to some of the best jugglers in
the world and I'm not, they cannot teach me how to juggle.
This is beside your point, but you just I just you just really
push you just you're gonna get a lot because I was really God
shall teach you and really fucking mad about it.
I cannot juggle and it because this bone of contention in my
life where I'm like, I should like I can I can toss toss.
Catch. Catch just fine.
But you add a third ball in there and I fucking can't do.
No, no. It's fucking, it makes me so
Angry. Huh, we'll get you there.
We'll get you there. Eric, I like literally the
people who train the jugglers at Cirque du Soleil have tried to
teach me how to juggle. I cannot fucking juggle.
Well, I lack the skills necessary for it.
I know you said that, if you said, whenever you say that to
somebody, they go, hmm, challenge accepted and I am
totally doing, and I want, you know, you can't confirmation
bias yourself into not doing it, you can't.
You have to truly believe that. At you because I think you think
you just internet like there's a switch in.
Your bar is theirs isn't flipped and you just can't drop out
chuckle, okay? I don't do challenge accepted,
it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.
Go learn how to juggle and then report.
Back in a week I'm gonna do that.
Absolutely. Basically, what the very smart
phone I was making, is that if time is one of the major
differences between impulsively and spontaneity, in the way to
get from impulsive to spontaneous is by adding time
along with effort and a bunch of other stuff.
But if time is one of those major factors, What kind of time
are we talking here? Because for me learning a
useless Whimsical skill. Learning to solve a Rubik's Cube
juggling playing the harmonica or something like that.
For me, time is sort of accelerated.
I can get good at those things very quickly.
Yeah. But if it involves a lot of
paperwork, or a lot of reading or a lot of, you know,
appointments that need to be made in like errand running and
stuff like that time. Dilates for me significantly.
Yeah it'd take me a very long time to sort through.
Paperwork and to read the thing. I need to read.
That takes me quite a while and so not only do we have to think,
all right, I have to add time to this, such to make it
spontaneous and pull Civ such to give it foresight.
So I'm not going to end up stranded in Paris or something
like that. Not only do we have to know that
we have to add time but we have to know what kind of time are we
talking to you? Are we talking about useless
skill time in which case not very much of it will probably
do. But are we talking reading a
textbook time? Because in that case I'm going
to need a lot of it. Yeah so there's like different
Types of time that we deal with. And so when I'm trying to go
from impulsive to spontaneous, I don't know what kind of time I'm
working with. If it's about time it was I ran
the risk of making the same Point again but I but I don't
know. Yeah, I don't know which type of
time I need to be adding to it. Am I adding textbook time or am
adding juggling time? Because they're very different
things. And that's just another variable
that has to be sorted out. But I also don't think it's
useful to convince ourselves that it's quite.
It's very Complicated. It might be but I don't think
it's useful to think of it as being complicated because when
we think of things as being complicated, they become
complicated. When ultimately, I think the,
the distilled simple answer is how to turn your impulsivity
into spontaneity. That is to say how to turn your
dangerous if sometimes useful. Impulsivity into still
interesting in the moment, whatever the stuff but not as
dangerous and safer. Is simply just think about it.
Give it a couple days sleep on it.
Write, write it out. Talk to somebody about it,
Bounce It Off the Wall a couple times.
Eric, I think that might genuinely be one of the smartest
things you've ever seen those pocket.
Really is juggling time versus textbooks time.
Like that's, that's, that's fucking that's she make that
Endo Tick-Tock. Thank you.
It's really good. I really appreciate it.
Eric. Yeah, speaking of time, we have
to move a mirror and pack for Frolic on And it's gonna be
great. I'm really excited to give
everybody an update about how one packs for Frolic on next
week. I need to change.
I'm wearing leggings as underwear right now.
Yeah, I'm wearing your leggings as underwear.
That's fine. So I need it.
I need to solve that problem too.
We'll get there. You know what we could do?
What's that? We could put your laundry in the
washer then we could move a mirror.
Well, it's washing. Uh-huh.
And then we could put yourself in the dryer.
Uh, let me get back. Well, it's trying.
Well that's right. That's fucking Solid, dude.
That's that's that's juggling time for sure.
Chuckling time. God, don't you love in for that,
right? I think that's why I like
objective time. Like it takes 58 minutes for the
wash, you know, because I do have to wonder.
It's like, that's how much things will do that.
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