Eric I'm not done eating my Jolly Rancher, sign up.
Well here in Avenger Jolly Rancher and I'll put they'll
disperse these throughout the main intro song and I'm fine.
Okay, I'm done now. I swallowed, it whole It's all
the whole Jolly Rancher. Eric, don't do fucking hi,
everybody. There's got to be room sound in
there somewhere. Hi everybody.
Hi Katie. Hello, how's it going?
I wasn't done with my Jolly Rancher.
It looks okay. I wasn't done fidgeting and
stuff. We need to make just one, we've
recorded a hundred and Tom's 120 episodes.
Now, we should make an entire podcast.
That is just all the stuff before I officially start.
I kind of like that idea. I was just like, Coughs and
Jolly Rancher swallowing and dog petting.
Just fucking it like an ASMR sensory nightmare.
It really is sounds and burps. That is one thing that is
content in there somewhere, too. Has got to be a first.
Well, there's gotta be like I do Wonder.
This is a this is an eighteen plus comment here.
So if you have children the room, maybe I don't listen to
this next. 30 seconds and hum. But did you wander it?
Like we were talking about how it's made the show, how it's
made. Yeah, and I was like, oh yeah.
Used to masturbate to that when I was a teenager.
Like what? Eric hey well you take it out.
Is your podcast to now okay but you need to explain.
Well I was gonna I'm sorry, just leave it there.
Okay, no, that's not true but you know, I've read was, I used
to wait it's because it used to be on when I would get home from
school and like 7th or 8th grade and, you know, I would rub one
out when I got home because I was at school, they do.
Horny, little thirteen-year-old. Yeah, that's her.
And so I would go to my basement and I would just have show with
just that was up. What was on after school and so
I would watch it. I would put it on to that my
parents were there. I was just watching TV, but then
I would actually watching TV, but I was we're making something
and then I mean I would watch it afterwards but and do you think
that I should have said that now I regret it whatever.
You know, do you think of you put on an episode of How It's
Made? Do you think that your body
would be like, hey, aye sir, Want to test it for science.
Maybe like maybe you really want to test it for science.
This is a weird way to start an episode of everybody is
speaking. I can cut all that out if you
want sweetie. It's okay.
I say we leave. It 20:23 is the year where our
podcast becomes what we wanted to be.
And sometimes you're going to talk about jerking off to how
it's made. This is what it is today.
God we can. How do we have to ever have
serious guests on this? I guess the fucking video from
named V from under the desk news, we had on like a year ago
now at this point, but they're fucking great.
They just met the president. Yeah.
And this is the podcast. Yeah.
Was there a good? You sure are.
We shaved all martial art. I would love to have done
helping out that my son and just have him hit us with his most
obscure Lord of the Rings facts. Oh yeah, I would love to have no
Marshall Oh my gosh, I could text him.
Yeah please do. I don't like to go on Tick-Tock.
If you don't know who that is. He's the Obscure Lord of the
Rings facts guy and I followed him when he had like a thousand
followers and he is just is the most wholesome.
I mean, I don't know him really personally.
So I do want to claim that I do, but like he's when he's wearing
I successful, Makes me like insanely happy, you know, as all
the hobbits he does. He knows every single Hobbit
we're like two degrees away from all the hobbits.
What are you tired Fellowship really?
Yeah, they all will. They all were his shirt?
Yeah, is literally his branded shirt.
Yeah crazy. I mean, yeah, it's pretty cool.
Feel like I'm like well like I have no right to be but I'm like
proud of John Marshall. Like I'm just like you go man.
Oh man, you love the things that you love and you be interested
in the things that you're interested in and they'll invite
you to fucking Amazon premiere. Hours of television shows and
shit. Yeah.
And I mean, there's such. It's also fundamentally based on
Joy, like, he just clearly loves it so much loves Lord of the
Rings. Yeah, and talking so much.
And what a weird year for him, like started here just a normal
year and then he made a video that popped off.
Yeah. And he just every time there was
a pitch he just hit it out of the park every fucking time.
I'm just trying on every kid but as I'm just like really proud of
him and I think it's just great everything.
He's the he's the best if you're going to be an obscure facts
guy, Guy, what type of obscure facts would you do?
I don't know. Okay, I'm tempted to say either
cooking or classical music, but right now, I don't know enough
about anything to. Like, I have obscure facts,
lying around, but not on food, and cooking.
Yeah, that's a good one. Entire Tick-Tock account sitting
on the shelf down street. I know I was thinking about
doing a series where I just clear shit up.
Like, this is, what gelatin is, you know, because a lot of stuff
is some, it's one of the most frustrating Parts about working
in a kitchen, is getting insufficient answers.
Yeah. Like I once asked, I still don't
know the answer to this. I need to look this up like
right after this podcast, but when you store like cut lettuce,
like for Caesar salads, you always put a wet rag in the
bottom and the top of whatever container like a damp Rag.
And I asked the chef who taught me that why and he said because
if it was dry it wouldn't really do anything and like to him that
was an answer. Like he wasn't being dismissive
like that was his answer. He said if it was because if it
was dry I wouldn't really do anything but to me it was like
that plan. Like it's yeah, keeping your
plant moist. It's giving wedgies, don't get
brown. Yeah.
Which makes a lot of sense, but like I was really, I don't
there's another time where I was cooking a steak and it was
supposed to be mid-rare and one of the server's who was also a
very qualified, Chef was sitting in the past, like, on the other
side of the window waiting and they saw it and they said that's
overcooked and they like, there are really good Chef.
So like I wasn't offended by any means they're way better than
me. They still are.
So I was like, really, how can you tell his music from across
the Start pretty much you could just look and tell that it was
and I checked. And yeah, it was right.
So I said, how can you tell and he said, because of the way that
it looks, dude, come on, you gotta give me something man,
what? And then my next step was a
chemist in that was amazing. That's but anyways, I just
talked about myself for a long time, but I didn't know, I'm
glad that I know what the pass is now because I was can't.
Stop thinking about that shitty movie?
We watched last night. Yeah.
So mad about it. I'm just saying, you know, if we
bring up that movie, I might just like rant this whole
fucking podcast, I want to like take the podcast, but I would
just like to say that I once ran to you for over 60 Minutes about
the turkey in A Christmas, Carol you did.
And you said there patiently and you asked me a lot of like
leading questions so I could like talk more about it.
So if you want to rant about a Bradley Cooper movie, for the
next 20 minutes, I support you in this endeavor but you do have
to pass me your water bottle because I'm thirsty will do.
Also speaking of that episode of, I just remastered it because
we were listening to in the car. In Iowa's way, worse, it audio
editing when we did that two years ago than I am now.
So I just remember sitting in your like, echoey ass California
purpose. Yeah.
Couch. I remember very specifically.
I like my feet tucked under your butt, and I was really cozy.
I remember that. I think it was the last time you
were there before. No, it wasn't.
It was when I just started really packing for the room.
So it was just a big empty, anything.
Yeah, but anyway, so yes there's this movie.
It's called scorched burnt. Burnt burned burned fuck we
shouldn't It's probably burned or burnt crispy, I do some shit.
It's not Netflix. This in the top ten right now,
yeah, it's turned to shit. It's a bullshit-ass movie.
Got Bradley Cooper in it. It's got Emma Thompson in it.
It's got Houma, Thurman it and you'd hear that cast.
And you go oh, what a good and glorious movie, it's a piece of
shit. Yeah, it's got unknown actors
that you probably won't recognize but they're fucking
great. Like everybody in that movie did
a great job. The problem is with the movie
itself. Eric would you like to explain?
Yeah. And I just You got to do my
qualifier, which you also just did, but I just want to because
I feel that because people worked really hard on that movie
and most of the people who did worked on the movie.
But he did a really good job. Like, it's a, it's like it is a
well made. Well produced while acted movie
acting is incredible. Lighting is incredible.
Layering flaw. Just the plot in the writing.
So basically it's a movie about a cook play by Bradley Cooper
the chef who got really good at cooking and Paris and then
something that you don't really know the details.
But like, It happened in Paris addicted to meth.
Yeah. Well, it was, yeah, it was
clearly was drug-related. But you just sort of in the
beginnings of the movie, you find out that like, he left
Paris and like, fucked over a lot of people in doing so, but
he was like, I was an addict and so he wasn't didn't didn't?
He wasn't even really aware of what he did, but he knew that he
did a bunch of bad shit and so it's two like two years later
and he's now like, getting back in the game and it's about that.
And the whole movie is it's a lot of like Chef porn lot of
food porn works, just like, you know, the romanticize.
Type thing, a lot of I've never said this word out loud before
but trauma porn, where it's just like display.
Yeah, as all thing but it's basically a movie where a guy
who's a piece of shit and I want to point out very soon that he's
not a piece of shit because he's an addict that's nuts.
Different, like I did it is a disease, not a piece of shit
because he's an addict, he's a piece of shit because he's a
dick to everybody around him all the time where toxic masculinity
is glorified to the A point where the entire plot of the
movie is this toxic as abusive do sure is like marginally nicer
to the people around him and therefore it's a happy ending.
They like painted as a wind that this piece of shit becomes kind
of lesson, piece of shit physically, assaulting people in
the kitchen. Glenn isn't he, isn't it?
It's just Powerful movie about change, which isn't that?
Just the most we rail sis, why triggered fucking like Really
watching this movie and just it's like it's like the whole.
Like, I think what we should do. Eric, I'm serious about this is
I feel like we should do. We should record a watch along
track. Oh yeah.
We should. We should put it on the patreon.
Oh yeah. We used to do that.
Yeah, we should do watch line track where we just like, talk
about it. Yeah, because it's fascinating,
it's his movie. And it's really set up to be
like, oh, he's conflicted, like, oh, he's dealing with stuff and
he's like, coach chef and his fans, but he's a jerk but he's
tied. Wasn't rooting for him for A
moment is entirely good mean and abusive and shitty and like they
say there's like this woman in the movie and she's also like a
really talented chef and he like coerces her into coming to work
for him by getting her fired from her.
Other job behind goes to her boss.
Who was sorry. I don't want beginning of the
movie, it's sort of him showing up places at like really fancy
restaurants are getting the Avengers back together, please
look like yeah, it's very much like a really coerces the Is in
like really shitty way, is that? It was all in bad faith.
Like he did all of it by manipulating them and fucking
them over. So like the hell on is her name,
the female chef, she worked at this place and he says, hey,
come work for me. I'll triple your salary.
And she says like, no, I love my job.
I love where I work, you know. No, thank you.
And that was it. And then, he goes to her boss
who we've established that not only does he know, but when he
saw her boss like the Owner of that restaurant in the earlier
in the movie. He was like, holy shit.
It's, he's like a god in the cooking world.
So everybody's like knows him is afraid of him.
So he presumably goes behind her back and gets him to fire her.
So she has no choice but to go work for him and it's painted as
like a nice thing. It's like no dude.
It's like she's he like challenged her and he like
pushes her to like be a better like know.
He liked non-consensual e God. This woman to lose your job and
then there's an entire plot point.
I don't even care the worst Point.
Like this movie, there's this whole a spot point where this
woman has a daughter. And every year she gets her
daughter's birthday off so she can throw her daughter birthday
party. So she goes, she gets the
daytime day. So like lunch shift.
So she still comes in with a single shift off like once a
year at this like fancy restaurant that she was working
at. So she could throw her daughter
birthday party. It was like a big thing and
everybody knows about it. So she goes to him.
She's like, hey man, I used to get the day off so I could like,
throw my kid. A birthday party.
Can I do that? And he's like, no, you're too
good and you're indispensable, and it's your fault.
For being too good at your job. So you can't have the day off.
He's still dead. She goes to the manager of the
restaurant who's also in love with Bradley Cooper, and it's
like an entire whole foot. There's no whole fucking that.
I would have been there for that and he if it turns out that the
reason he was frustrated because he was closeted gay and then
he's other guy, Okay? And like hibiki like softens him
and they like whatever would have been there for that but I
have a whole rant about that relationship.
But anyway, I mean everybody was the manager and she's like, can
you watch my kid because Bradley When give me the day off and
he's like sure, so he brings the kids to the restaurant.
So then Brett he told me dirty, not the maitre d, Doris to the
restaurant, with the chef's daughter.
So there in the restaurant, while the mom is working in the
kitchen. And so, then he comes back and
he's like the maitre d is like, hey Bradley Cooper, I need you
to make me a cake. And the idea is that everybody
in the kitchen is mad at him for like, not giving Helen the day
off. And so they like make Bradley
Cooper make her a cake and it's supposed to be like, oh, he
learned a valuable lesson. Lesson about like teamwork and
like whatever and oh, he makes her cake.
But then there's this scene. There's the scene where he like
brings a cake to the table and he and this kid have this like
20-minute fucking conversation. While Helene is standing in the
fucking doorway of the goddamn kitchen watching the man, who
would not give her the day off. So, she could spend it with her
daughter. Spend the day with the fucking
daughter. I like this movie is complete
fucking bullshit, and it's supposed to be like, oh, it's
personal growth, like, oh, he Like learned like oh he's good
with kids and likes and always the love interest of Helene.
So clearly like the kid and him have to have a relationship but
they do it in like the shittiest way.
Oh my God, I fucking hate this movie so much.
I'm so mad the whole time that was, it was.
Yeah, and she doesn't even like, she's in like full garb to she's
like, standing in the window. Like she doesn't even like come
out. She's like, barely leaves her
station. He's like smiling, she like oh,
they're Bradley Cooper like those fucking bullshit.
The reason, I think these types of movies Really fucking shred
me is one. I was a cook context in case
you're a new listener. I was a cook for eight years.
Before I started doing this. I started a small place, I
started getting better and worked at various places.
I ended up in a lot of like pretty high-level restaurants.
I never worked like a Michelin star restaurant, but I was, you
know, close to that most a lot of which were fucking amazing
with really nice. Awesome people.
Some of which were horrifying and traumatic in the way that
you see in movies. So there's that it's like
personal to me but also there's a generation I remember being
12, 13 year-old boy and trying to figure out what you know
being a quote-unquote man was and what like all these boys
around me are behaving in certain ways?
Like who am I how should I behave?
And there's like a phase that you go through where you think
it's about like chest-pounding and being the toughest and being
the most confident in the most whatever and being able to kick
anybody's ass? And whatever it's like pure
toxic masculinity basically and hopefully you do that and then
pretty quickly maybe after like a couple years or hopefully
immediately you go oh that's fucking stupid and it awful way
to interact with the world. It causes a lot of hurt and not
just for me. But for the people around me,
I'm not going to do that. No, thank you.
That's the what you should. That's what a hopefully
happened, but we're it starts. Is you start getting him when,
you know, you start 1213 trying to figure out what being a man
is because you've been told there's like this whole be a man
thing but nobody ever tells you what that is or if they do, if
anybody does tell you what that is, it's likely that they have
really shitty opinions about it until you what being a man is
all the ones who think it means like kicking ass and, you know,
harassing people. But anyways, all of that is very
heavily influenced by the media that we see.
And If you don't get out of that then you just get stuck in this
spiral of seeing the people the cool chefs on TV, whatever being
masculine and toxic and whatever and thinking see that is what
being a man is. And the only reason I, you know,
everybody in my life doesn't like it is because the people in
my life are wrong, or whatever. It doesn't it just reinforces
this, toxic, masculine, the thing and The Culinary, the
high, you know, fine, culinary world is one of a few Actions
and sort of environments where abuse is glorified and
romanticized. It's not like the color, the
classical music world is another one.
I mean, I'm sure there's a lot but it's glorified and
romanticized by me too. I mean, I'm complicit like, when
I look back I enjoy telling the stories of, you know, the abuse
that I suffered in Napa and whatnot because it's interesting
and and whatnot. But in a way I remained a size
it, but Yeah, movies like that. I'm okay with movies like that.
If the moral at the end is that's not fucking necessary and
don't do that and, you know, whatever.
And this movie kind of goes in that direction.
But it's, I mean, they Montage it at the lab.
It's like, it's like the entire movie being like this.
Dude is a Monumental piece of shit and one of the things I
thought was really interesting. Again, I don't give a shit that
I'm spoiling this movie because I just filled my With rage, but
there's like this point where you're like, oh, he's changing.
And then like the fucking restaurant, reviewers come.
And then he just starts being an asshole to everybody and
everything like goes downhill and it's like and then, you
know, that's supposed to be as I quote, unquote rock bottom but
like the moral of the of the movie really ultimately becomes
like you can basically treat every but like anybody how you
want as long as at the end of the day you're successful.
And it's It's not a good message, you know, and it's like
yeah, the restaurant works better once he started to be
nice to people, but it's like, the bar is on the fucking like,
I cannot sleep. Okay.
Dear listeners. I cannot stress enough, the love
interest, the love interest of this movie, he gets her fired.
Then he coerces her into working at this restaurant because she's
desperate, he has a daughter and he's like, well, I'll pay you a
whole bunch of money so she has to say, yeah.
Mr. Beasts her into working order.
Like he knows she's pouring needs the money, so he's like
all get are fired and then offer a bunch of money now.
She can't say no and, and then like their whole, like, sort of
like romantic thing starts when he's like, well, you're the only
girl I know. So you have to come to this
party, which is like, okay. And there's like a lot of, like,
really weird unnecessary, like sexual comments about like how
she's pretty or like whatever that is like, this is her job,
like what are you doing? But then like their relationship
starts with the restaurant opens.
Yes, and it goes very poorly and he physically assaults her into
the kitchen for like a minute. Like he shoves her like for like
an extended shoulder and grabs her by like the front of her
shirt and like, lifts her towards him.
Yeah. And I'm like, that's that's the
love story that you're setting up is like, oh, he was just so
passionate that, you put his fucking hands on her.
Like yeah. Jail for that.
Like what the kitchen? It's like.
It is okay because he's passionate, that's okay because
everybody cares really hard. I'm like what the fuck are you
doing this? And that made it really made me,
like, go from being like, okay, this movie is making me mad but
like it's invoking a reaction. That's what art is supposed to
do. Okay, the moment that made me
really like mad. Yeah, the movie was there's a
scene when Parts Quick, Chef cooking, kitchen, stuff in the
kitchen. There's something called an
expo. Exp 0 is short for expediter and
they stand at the Pass which is the cooks, make all the food
about what about what about Papa and then they pass it to the
server's who then take it to the customers the place where they
put it. But the finished complete dishes
for the server to take is called the past or the window.
In this movie, they call it the pass.
So the Expo stands at the past, that's generally, where the
highest ranking member of the kitchen stands.
That's where the either a chef de cuisine is sous-chef.
Wherever the highest ranking member.
The kitchen is, that's where they stand because they're the,
they're the conductor of the orchestra like the final thing
before the fucose. Exactly do they are they they
fire things? Which Tell people exactly what
to make. And exactly when and they're
also, yes, they are. They give it the last check
before it actually goes out. So, it's a very important thing
to do. So at the end of every shift,
which was kind of a cool bit of realism, at the end of every
shift, generally the highest ranking member of a kitchen has
shit to do. They have to go take inventory?
They have to go fill in voices. They have to go do Chef stuff.
I don't know. So, then they'll give it to the
person that's directly beneath them.
Usually the sous, chef, who will then finish out the chef so work
to pass while they go back to the usually back to the office
to do. Mysterious chest injuries,
usually have a glass of wine or something so anyways it's that
phase. So Bradley Cooper's character is
now in the office doing Chef stuff.
I think he's working on a cake recipe or something and Helen is
at the pass and something gets put up next to her, you know?
So, the past in this movie, and it's also really high dining
places. That's where a lot of plating
happens. So the cooks will make the
components of the dish and put them on Sizzle pans, which all
these little metal pans. And then they'll put like a
Napkin RC fold down, beneath it to catch like juices and stuff.
And so it's called at the called at a diaper and in the kitchen
actually or Landing Pad, but you put it next to them.
So they check each individual component and then assemble the
dish themselves and then put up so many what she was doing that
its quality control things. Were she was doing that in.
Somebody puts up I think was like scallops or something, puts
up a Sizzle pan fucking fish because I was like, throwing is
fish, it doesn't matter what his vision, right?
So it was fish. One of the other characters that
you've met put sit next to her. And she looks at it and goes not
like, no, she is she Train goes, no, he Taps it.
And he looks back like confused. And now I just want to point out
at this point, the movie we have seen Bradley Cooper.
Do this a million times and when Bradley Cooper, like even barely
shakes his head, the cook just goes, I'm sorry.
Chef and takes it in and this but also like smashing plates.
Oh, Yang shit across the kitchen, physically, assaulting
people rather Cooper's like, oh, oh sorry, Chef.
Yes, chef, thank you Chef like. Right.
That's like I'm here to learn from him.
So I have to endure whatever, so contrived to live the life.
So The only woman Chef in the kitchen.
Right? Says, the only woman to have the
kitchen does exactly what we've been seeing Bradley Cooper.
Do this whole time when first when she does it.
Like respectfully he doesn't listen to her immediately.
He likes stands there like confused and then it goes well I
did and then he talks back to her and so she takes this whole
and she throws it like smashing against Rollins.
Goes up fucking wrong, you know, whatever and does the thing
again, that's not okay. But we've seen Bradley Cooper do
that a million times during this movie.
And every time it's like always the passionate chef All the
cooks are like all. We're here to learn from him and
it's painted as like, the next like immediately after that,
it's like, hey, something's up with Ilan.
Like she's not okay. She's whatever.
What? He's such a bitch like, it's
like, yeah, I know they, they call her a bitch.
She says she's actually a bitch. And I was like, and I was like,
still like okay maybe in this movie we're gonna like this is a
commentary on that, but it wasn't.
It was just that on its face. The writers of the movie did
that expecting the audience to go?
What's up with this fucking? Pardon my language but like
uppity. Bitch.
You know whatever license but she was nicer like and it's
cheese has got one just fucking tell her to smile more.
She'd be prettier. What I like?
This is crazy when I was like okay that Is fucked up.
Like from a story writing perspective like they did that,
not to like rock contrast to go like oh they look!
It's really hard for women in the kitchens because when they
act the way that men do people fucking do all this shit.
Like, although that is the lesson that I'm fucking taking
from. Yeah.
Although I already knew that but like that pissed me off so much
that that was like, okay, this story device that they use being
all look, she's not okay. She's okay.
She's acting like he's worth acting this whole fucking time
like oh sorry, yeah it's metadata and then it's supposed
to he liked and they turned like Salvage.
I think because like the scene is like, oh well you're being a
negative influence on her and like you're changing her in this
way that like isn't good for her, but it's like first up.
She's a ho last person with agency.
Like that's her decision, you know what I mean but then also
it's just like this idea that it's like oh well she's not nice
anymore so like we don't want to work with her like we liked her
and she was nice and docile like what are you doing?
Fuck you guys dude. Oh my God I also I want Like
that. The reason, all of these
characters are even associated with Bradley Cooper's, character
is because he socially, engineered a fucked up thing to
make it so that they had no other choice like hell on gets
her fired officer a lot of money.
No she needs the money. So she as it arches or the
choice, gets her to work for him.
Asshole, move, Tony played, by the guy who plays emo and Civil
War, I don't know that the actor's name who's the maitre d
of the restaurant. Oh, that was him.
Know what? Make sure you have the
restaurant. He says the best maitre d in all
of Europe. He calls like calls in a favor
to like the most brutal food critic in London and invites her
to go eat at his restaurant and review and the Cooper does
Bradley Cooper. Invites her to eat at Tony's
Restaurant. Not Bradley Cooper's restaurant,
knowing that she's going to fucking shred him because he's
just ate there. He saw the menu, he knows that
she doesn't like that and she's gonna fucking shred him.
So he goes and he's there and he full, he shows, In the kitchen
in full garb and says you know if you don't let me cook for
her. She's gonna I don't know what to
use it. He says you going to destroy
you. Yeah, like, you know, if you
don't hire me as your executive chef for CDC or whatever, right
now you're done, and he's right. And so that's how he ends up in
charge of the kitchen. It's like motherfucker, another
guy, the one guy, he doesn't tell Michelle which okay, I have
a whole please please. Okay, so there's this character
and his name is Michelle and is important to the story that he
is black. Because he's like the only black
person in the entire movie. And so he so Bradley Cooper,
like he shows back up in Paris or whatever and they immediately
fight, they start like fighting in the alley and it's clear like
these guys have beef with each other and it's like, okay, fine.
And so what you find out is that Bradley Cooper put like Michelle
opened a restaurant and then he Bradley Cooper, put rats in
Michelle's restaurant. On opening night and then called
the health inspector and got it shut down.
Destroyed this dude slider. You know come back he don't come
back from that, right? So he's like, oh sorry about
that. Will you come work for me and my
kitchen and the guys like yeah, you know what, water under the
bridge. And so what basically winds up
happening is that is the, the Shyamalan plot twist is that the
Michelin like reviewers show up to Bradley Cooper's new
restaurant, and Michelle sabotages it.
But I just feel like when everybody else everybody else in
the movie is like these bees like mediocre white people doing
shitty fucked up things, you're gonna make the villain.
Like, there's just a lack of like critical thinking there
that I feel like reflects poorly.
But then, even more than that, it's like he's supposed to be
the bad guy because he sabotages the footy, it food he puts a
bunch of like cayenne pepper in the food, critics food, Food to
like ruin it and so the now Bradley Cooper's like ruined and
he's not gonna get his Michelin star and but, but they make it
like this like oh he's like this conniving shitty guy who's been
like, you know, duplicitous Lee, two-timing Bradley Cooper the
whole time and like what a fucking monster and I'm like no
Bradley Cooper ruined this man's life like like and they show and
that. The other thing that I don't
understand about this movie is that we're supposed to be on on
Bradley Cooper's. Daughters will be rooting for
Bradley Cooper, but they show that As the show, the entire
movie is about how hard it is, to open a restaurant and how
hard it is to, like, do that and come up with the dishes and come
up with the menu and like, and go through all the bullshit and
this guy did it, Michelle did this, did it successfully open
his own restaurant Bradley Cooper takes that all away from
him and then we're supposed to be like, oh, that's camp like,
right? What a fucking monster like and
I don't like, oh, but he's an addict.
So like, oh, it's sad. And I'm like, no, like you like
me? Still L did the things he still
did the things and it's just like and Willie, but what lesson
are we supposed to take from that?
Because it's so fucked up. I mean another.
So another thing is so he was an addict and France leaves.
He's sober for like two years. I think, at this point, they
started like two years and six months.
Yeah, something like that. But he still has a big debt to
like drug dealers and France. So the whole movie that is this
recurring thing where these drug deals will show up at the
restaurant and beat the shit out of him basically and it's a
whole thing. And oh I forgot about this
marriage. You know, he gets out of it.
You know he gets out of it a woman, pays his dad, that's it.
It was the it was the daughter of a guy, he used to work for
and she was like, Hey and she was like oh I'm clean too and
then she just pays his debt. He's fine.
Like that's it but she's pretty but she's pretty and I used to
fuck so, so fuck. Yeah.
And it's sort of like, oh wow. I was sort of thinking I kept
thinking like of the Rhine Gorge pitch meetings like so.
Wow, like how is he gonna get out of that?
When I bet he's gonna have to do a lot of personal growth to get
out of that? No, super easy.
Barely pays for it like, oh really wow.
We I'm sure you really develop her character and make it.
So we really understand why she did that.
No no. She gonna be in one scene, she
comes. She's gonna be like weirdly
jealous of his girlfriend. Yeah.
Like just home at the end of the second act and she fixes
everything in the middle of the third.
It's like runs into her at a party and it's clear that they
used to have a thing. And then she sees that he's
there with like another girl and she's like a little weird about
it and then that's it. Like her entire character.
And then she's like, oh, here are some knives.
The end. I mean, so, ultimately in a way
that I'm very familiar with because I have been screamed at
publicly in a kitchen and all that stuff in a way that is very
personal to me this movie basically says, hey are you a
massive piece of shit? But like are you a man?
That's a massive piece of shit. Be a little bit less of piece of
shit and everybody will fucking applaud you.
We will make movies about you if you just become a little a bit
less of a massive piece of shit. It's just don't like push
people. Then it's, you know what?
It's fine and also cut people in line at family dinner
is like working in the kitchen will like make a dish and then
they have like a potluck dinner like every night like a thing
that I explained that right? I don't leave.
Yeah. That part.
That's exactly right and so but Bradley Cooper the whole time
won't come to family meal like it's like this, huh?
He'd be like, hey, do you wanna come to family members?
I was like, no. They like hides in the office.
Did the end of the movie, like, fucking I've been users screws
showing up the cratchit's like he fucking he like comes to
family meal and that's how you know that he's finally redeemed
and he thinks of her like and he's like being nice to people,
but and he immediately Cuts establish that there's a lot to
it's like happened before where you see everybody laughs.
And so, he cuts in the line and then he immediately goes and
sits at the head of the table. Like Like you're welcome, right?
And it's just like the self-importance and just like I
don't understand like what message, we're because it really
is just like this, this toxic glorification of like if you're
obsessive about something enough, and if you are shitty
enough, it'll pay off. Because like and it's just like
it if he does the whole thing. And I think what the one of
those reasons them do we get to me?
So worked up is because he has a lot of the same privilege that I
do. Yeah.
So like I think that's probably a large another big reason, but
a lot of the really shitty. So the whole movie is just this
guys fucking privilege, but a lot of the movie is him doing
shitty things. That not only are like not
address. They're not even fucking plot
points. Yeah.
Like he convinces Helen who works for him.
Now, power Dynamic immediately who works for him.
He says, do you have a pretty dress?
And she's like, yeah. And he goes, like, I need you to
come to the soon and she does. Who goes to this booth smoothie.
Boozy, fuck. In party, where she knows
nobody. She's going as a pure favor to
him. And I just also point out a
moment on their way in, he says it would help if you pretend to
be my girlfriend. And she said something.
And he said, if you were really my girl, they'll know you
weren't really my girlfriend because we didn't get in a fight
on the in the car on the way over, I was like, oh, okay.
So you have no idea what a healthy relationship.
It's like Jesus, which poor you, but you know, don't hurt other
people. Anyways, they go to this party.
He sees Lynn, I believe was the character's name, who was the
daughter of the old Chef Eddie worked or who paid his debts
later. Deus.
Ex lemon idea do not to get to Titus about it, but Olivia's her
name. Damn it, whatever those close to
her Shakespeare is really close. So he sees her and kind of gets
shaken up and then leaves. Yeah, just out sentences.
Like he's a, the only reason she knew that he left is because she
happened to see him from across the room.
So he ditches her at the party party that he made her goggles.
Fucking kid at home. She's a kid, she to pay for a
fucking babysitter, right? He just teaches you there and,
and the next scene is him looking all sad.
He's in his Stones tuxedo buddies at like the fish market.
So, we got the good fish and she shows up there.
This, it's 5:00 in the morning establish, what time it is.
And she's like, you know, she gives him.
Like I, hey, I thought I'd find you here kind of thing and then
they have like a nice moment. It's like, dude.
No, it wasn't even a thing in the movie, which again, the
writers, didn't they I knew that the audience would, excuse it.
As man from doing that. Yeah.
Like they knew they would just be like, oh, but he's still the
protagonist so whatever. But like the moment she throws a
plate, there's a whole conversation about like, what's
my gosh? Fuck the moral of the story is
like hey are you a toxic man? That's fine.
Yeah, you'll be really successful, but if you're a
little bit, less shitty will make movies about.
Yeah. Although like if you're toxic
man, who is talented and good at stuff, Any behavior is
excusable? That's I think the part that
made me the most mad. Yeah, this is like, I was
thinking about because it is always movies, like, it's like,
it's like, oh, it's a chef, you know, the bear this movie,
whatever. It's it's, what's the fucking
right rushing? Dragging movie.
Rushing, dragging a whiplash, we plant.
Like, it's always like musicians and chefs, like those like
really top level sort of like movies about performance.
It's always just like, it's okay to be a Eat fucking asshole if
you're talented. Yeah, well, I mean, this is hot
take here but like people who work at that.
Your battery is low on your battery's low?
Oh no. No.
People who work at like really in really high level things like
really high level musicians. Out of a Cook's think that
they're contributing to the larger cause of preserving this
art form. Yeah, which is not untrue.
It is absolutely true. But they think in service of
that they have carte blanche to do tree people.
However, they want do whatever they want.
So long as they're serving the greater goal of advancing, the
art firm and maintaining the techniques, which is fucking
dumb because my big Thing is, you don't have to do that in
order to advance the art form and maintain those techniques,
you can have ridiculously high standards and keep at people to
them without being a massive piece of shit.
You'd always, I massive piece of shit, Yo-Yo Ma right.
Really nice, right? Really nice.
Like, historically, nice, everybody talks about how nice
cereal -, yeah. I mean, like, I mean, some of
the chef's that I was on the best server for like, they had
really exacting standards, they would tell me when, when what I
did wasn't good enough. You never punched you punch me
or scream at me but well, one of them did.
But yeah, the ones I that was a big moment was like, okay I like
this but not this part of that Notebook.
Thank you. But that's what really bothers
me. Is they think that because
they're doing this greater good thing?
But ultimately there's there's a scene where it's so Bradley
Cooper's like in therapy. It's like a sort of like a
world's most irresponsible therapist like hey, so sorry
with your my client and here's what he talked about.
About what are you? He talks about you, he's in love
with you, she's just so, you know, once it's what I do, that
seems illegal, but as she presses him like, so the whole,
the whole point of this movie, his my whole motivation is to
get his third Michelin star. He's gotten two Michelin stars
before he wants to get his third and she says, like, okay, you
get your third Michelin star. What happens?
Then like, what next? Yeah, he goes like immortality
but he says, he's like lofty, dumb things.
Yeah, he's like Don't have an answer so he's just like a
sarcastic asshole, got it. And like, that's it like a lot.
And this is my little hot, take here, but a lot of people who
work in those really high level environments.
Those people don't know who the fuck they are, they.
So they've externalized their measurements of their worse.
My measurements his measurement is was initial and stars.
The whole thing was anything I do in service of getting this
promotion stars is enough. But once you get those, you
realize what the fuck am I do? Do I enjoy this?
Is that do I enjoy my actual days?
Like, but a lot of the really hot they don't really know
themselves or what they want. They just know that their whole
lives they've been pursuing this one goal when they get there
it's like what the fuck do I do now?
Yeah because it's never it'll never it's never going to be
fulfilling. I mean be cool but like I don't
know. That's why I like the movie Chef
with them. Jon Favreau.
Oh yeah I really like it as a movie.
Honestly it was kind of boring to me if I'll make it should
have been like an on Fox show. Yeah.
You know. It's just like miniseries.
Yeah. But the moral story is he's this
high level Chef toxic in a lot of ways.
But eventually realizes like wait a minute.
What I really care about is making other people happy with
my food and my family and stuff. So he like gets a food truck and
it's about him, like, shedding all of that.
And it's earned, you know, he stood snot.
It's still a, no, no, I'm not saying I completely sound off a
movie Chef, but if you're in a stylish a movie where the main
character is an abusive Chef, that's where I go with it.
Anyways, I've rented through no, that's okay, really, Richie
episode, we didn't even get to talk about Tony, Oh yeah, so
member Yoni. I feel like we're way over time.
We are we're at that's fine. Okay, so like really quick.
Well no, actually no. Just listen.
Marty just listen to the rant along.
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