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Hello everyone. 
This is Michael Moore and you 

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it's it's one of those rare 60 
degree days here in the middle 

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of February. 
So that can only We mean that, 

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what were you have to listen to 
during this podcast? 

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Alright, is the construction 
work in jackhammering that goes 

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on in the city, whenever they 
can grab a semi decent day. 

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These are the sounds we listened
to, but it seems to have gone 

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away for a little bit here, so 
maybe it won't. 

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It won't be bothering us. 
I hope everybody's doing well 

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much appreciated and today, I 
thought we'd check in to see 

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what's going on in Flint. 
Michigan, there was an article 

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recently by the investigative 
journalist, Jordan Chariton in 

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the guardian about an 
investigation that he's done 

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regarding the Michigan, the 
former Michigan, attorney 

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general. 
And, and the current attorney 

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general, Regarding racketeering 
charges that were being 

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discussed against the former 
Governor, Rick Snyder, who's the

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person responsible for 
poisoning? 

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The water in Flint. 
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that, that's what he done. 
It took many months, a year and 

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a half before they did anything 
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I'm sorry. 
I can't let this issue rest. 

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There has been no justice for 
the people of Flint. 

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People still get rashes, and 
hair loss and other things from 

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the water there. 
A lot of it, I think is caused 

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by the fact that all the piping,
you know, the plumbing has not 

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been replaced. 
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information that's been put out 
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That has led some people to 
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now and and, you know, Flint is 
getting it together that I don't

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think that's the case and I hear
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Week in Flint, it's a sad story.
It's not. 

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It's not like these other water 
stories around the country where

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we have infrastructure problems 
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That's not this. 
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By the former Republican 
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And a lot of people in Flint are
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who have taken over state 
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they and why isn't this still 
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And why is the former Governor 
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So we're going to get into all 
this because we have the 

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investigative journalist who 
wrote this recent piece in the 

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guardian is name is Jordan 
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He's been on Rumble before. 
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and we'll talk about what's 
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what this means to the rest of 
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Thank you so much for coming 
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Jordan, thanks so much for 
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So, Jordan, I thought it was 
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see how Flint was doing with the
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poisoning, that has taken place 
that began back in April 2014, 

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where the Republican Governor 
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Pointed remove the elected mayor
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person was called the manager of
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bidding of the governor's own. 
I love listening to you as an 

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outsider who is come to Flint. 
Now for many years and done so 

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much. 
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for The Intercept of the 
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organization status coup as in. 
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maybe are finding out about 
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and you give them that sort of 
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then we're going to get into 
what you've recently, uncovered.

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Sure, when Rick Snyder became 
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like a lot of cities in the 
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was economically a bit of a In 
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showed that in Roger and me 
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rest of the world, kind of one 
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class, the Auto industry, but 
for many many reasons by the bid

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2010s economically, it was near 
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Ran for governor fancying 
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who can save distressed cities. 
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save Flint. 
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idea. 
The state officials in the 

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Snyder Administration, City 
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And that was, we're going to try
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problems and debt. 
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completely brand new water 
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Flinthead gotten its water for 
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is some of the cleanest water in
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The Great Lakes. 
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When they received Lake Huron 
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System, but Flint was also broke
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It actually had no credit rating
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to borrow more money. 
So how does a broke City join a 

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brand new water system? 
That's part of what my latest 

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story is about. 
How does a broke City borrow 80?

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Five million dollars to join a 
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get to that. 
But in a nutshell, while Flint, 

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while this new water system, the
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was under construction. 
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They decided we're just going to
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theoretically for free. 
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Flint on the Flint River for a 
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while this new water system was 
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Flint on the Flint River, the 
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forgot to add the proper 
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chemicals known as corrosion 
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You know the pipes all across 
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100 years old. 
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supposed to add corrosion 
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system to prevent lead and other
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the old pipes, they didn't do 
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switch in 2014. 
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residents started receiving 
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residents, including children, 
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body, losing hair and 
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Administration and city of Flint
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Told him, don't believe your 
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your water's fine. 
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months, from April 2014, through
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were receiving Poisoned water 
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and other contaminants in, when 
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first, get an indication. 
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with this Flint River water, 
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drink Governor Snyder claims 
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lead problem until 2015, there's
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that he knew before then and I 
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although the governor went 
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legionnaires outbreak in Flint 
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the deadly waterborne bacteria. 
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He says he didn't know about 
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reporting revealed. 
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October 2014. 
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not notify residents, he did not
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The public and this, what are 
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It just so happened to be a 
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re-election for governor. 
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far long ago before Trump at 
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Reporting indicated. 
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for president in 2016. 
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legionnaires as early as 20 
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prosecutors and investigators. 
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indicates he allowed residents 
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unsafe for a year and a half. 
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You mentioned this other 
pipeline. 

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So I perfectly fine pipeline 
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water in, Flint or 50 years. 
Maybe some banks got involved, 

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Wells, Fargo, JPMorgan Chase and
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be made by building a second 
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Pipeline that just one directly 
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Detroit Water System. 
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to the Flint but but there was 
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I mean, this was, this was done,
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become wealthier than they 
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I mean, the reason given was 
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which Flint was the biggest 
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water from the Detroit, Water 
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Genesee. 
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of Genesee County, they claim 
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the rates to Flint for, you 
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were to build their own water 
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essentially their water Destiny 
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they could set the rates. 
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problem with that is Detroit. 
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couldn't afford to lose Flint. 
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So there are emails that 
indicate at the lab at the, you 

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know, the 11th Hour Detroit 
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half, 50% and Flint still left 
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reports done. 
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Flint remaining with the 
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joining this brand-new system 
that it would actually be 

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cheaper for Flint to stay on. 
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the state and city officials 
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this brand new water system, 
which your documentary you 

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showed the map, it's literally 
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as the existing water pipeline. 
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again, the the the reason given 
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save money by creating our own 
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false and also Flint. 
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that Flint received from 
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system that Flint was joining 
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Water being delivered to Flint 
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It had already been treated by 
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So by the time, it got to Flint,
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chemicals or anything like that.
The water treatment, the the new

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water system. 
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Authority. 
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joining. 
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So by the time it was delivered 
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be treated by the Flint water 
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the Flint water plant was 
basically dilapidated. 

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It had not been used as a 
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water for decades and at the 
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the Flint River, it needed, tens
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upgrades just to put in the 
right equipment and that had 

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that was not done right? 
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plant, water plant, this, this 
old ancient thing. 

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It's if you wanted to shoot 
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would use the Flint water plant.
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locations for this, but in all 
seriousness, though, Just to put

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a fine point on this when people
share Flint Water Crisis. 

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I now whenever I see something 
on TV or something in the papers

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it's always were lumped in with 
all the other cities that have 

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the real legitimate problems 
with lead and old pipes. 

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And, and all this stuff. 
This was not what happened in 

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Flint. 
We did not all of a sudden, have

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a lead problem or whatever it 
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the Republican governor. 
Order to try to bring taxes down

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and then he tells his henchmen 
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you've got to do X Y and Z to 
cut costs. 

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Right? 
And and so this was a means to 

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cut costs to run a scam on 
people while building a second 

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pipeline that could make the 
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Fargo Rich richer. 
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they hear this about Flint, 
we're not. 

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We're not part of some 
environmental problem. 

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This was a fraud that was 
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found out the damage that they 
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and client that I say human 
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I'm not black people because 
that's why how they got away 

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with this, because they could do
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Could not do this to Ann Arbor, 
could not do this to Bloomfield 

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Hills or Grosse Pointe, or any 
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were white and And Wealthy, they
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majority-black city and and 
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districts that the governor took
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or also majority-black cities 
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So I just want to keep 
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racism plays an important role 
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Going to get away with what they
got away with that the African 

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Americans of Flint, Michigan. 
Did not hold any power, they 

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don't make campaign 
contributions and, and, and 

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Snyder. 
The governor knew that white 

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Michigan wasn't going to worry 
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their water that was involved 
here, right? 

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So I also I also want to be 
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dollars and cents of it because 
Governor Snyder, you know, this 

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is what happens when you kind of
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He and his folks, they were just
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sheet. 
So in 2014, Flint had an annual 

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deficit of 12 to 13 million 
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Meaning they were losing 12 to 
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So what they were paying to the 
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was a million dollars that over 
a year equals. 

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They're basically their entire 
deficit so Snyder Snyder and his

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economic braintrust fashioned if
We just get flint off the 

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Detroit Water System, we would 
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then we'll just use the river 
for free. 

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We just we will just we just 
forgot. 

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Oh well it requires millions of 
dollars in upgrades to the water

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plan so they just looked at the 
dollars and cents. 

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Hey Flint has 12 million dollars
in deficit. 

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They're paying twelve million 
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get rid of that. 
I could say, hey, I turned Flint

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around and help his political 
Ambitions with that messaging. 

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And how close is the former 
Governor to going to jail? 

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Wish I had good news for you. 
Michael essentially, the former 

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Governor and several other 
defendants that have been 

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charged are actively trying to 
get the charges dismissed. 

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Under a variety of legal 
Maneuvers and judges have been 

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hearing those arguments one of 
the Events that Governor Snyder 

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and his you know pretty 
high-powered team of attorneys 

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have been using is that the 
prosecution team under Michigan 

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Attorney? 
General de nesle did not use 

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what they call a tank team. 
I don't want your listeners eyes

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to gloss over but a tank team is
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independent legal people who go 
through Discovery and documents 

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to make sure what the Execution 
has is not attorney-client 

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privilege, so Snyder and other 
defendants claimed that the 

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Attorney General's prosecutors 
did not use attain team and 

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therefore, have attorney-client 
privileged documents. 

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That's one thing that is 
basically delaying even snot 

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even Snyder from going forward 
to an actual trial. 

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Other defendants are claiming 
that the current prosecutors 

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Charges after the statute of 
limitations, which, for many of 

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these crimes and Michigan is six
years. 

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So, these things are being heard
in court in various settings. 

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And by the way, we should say 
Snyder. 

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He was only charged with a 
misdemeanor. 

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So if he was convicted, he would
face a thousand dollar fine and 

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potentially a year in jail. 
Okay. 

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That's not happening. 
All right. 

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So tell us. 
Us what you have recently 

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learned and what you reported on
in the guardian. 

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Absolutely. 
So essentially, you know, the 

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media story about Flint like you
said, was this was kind of just 

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a horrible accident. 
Right there was not much 

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reporting on to follow the 
money. 

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So we myself tralala, Duff at a 
Michigan. 

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Great reporter. 
I worked with on this, we 

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discovered that that brand new 
water Blind. 

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That we were talking about that 
Flint was joining. 

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Well Flint didn't have the money
to join that water pipeline in 

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the year 2014 it was broke we 
just discussed how much of money

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they were losing every year. 
So Flint was allowed to borrow 

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85 million dollars, even though 
it had no credit rating. 

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And it was broke legally 
actually stayed a Michigan law. 

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Flint had already reached its 
debt limit. 

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So the, you know, the sixty-four
Thousand Dollar Question, how 

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does a broke City borrow 85 
million dollars to join a 

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totally unnecessary water 
system. 

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So that's what prosecutors and 
investigators. 

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That were trying, this trying 
this in case and investigating 

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in the early years 2016 through 
2018. 

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This these were the original 
Flint water investigators when 

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attorney general Nestle came in 
she kind of cleaned house and 

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restarted things. 
But what we found was the 

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original investigation team they
found Nificant financial fraud 

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behind that deal, the bond deal.
That allowed Flint to join this 

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new water system, and they were 
building a racketeering case, 

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which is known as Rico. 
If you ever watch Sopranos or, 

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you know, some of these mob 
movies, Rico was developed in 

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the 1970s primarily to go after 
organized crime, Mafia figures 

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Jews for other things, too. 
But that's those with the big 

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guns that Rico and racketeering 
staff laws were used. 

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It against. 
So they were building a RICO 

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case to go after State officials
who were behind this fraudulent 

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Bond deal, that allowed Flint to
join the, the, this water system

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in the first place, and they 
were advancing it. 

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I would say, you know, in 
football terms may be on the 5 

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to 10, 10, yard line, actually, 
one of the investigators had 

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gone, public his name's Andy 
Arena. 

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He was fired by attorney, 
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the time that he and His, the 
rest of his team were dismissed.

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They were about six months away 
from chart from filing 

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additional financial fraud. 
Charges we learned through this 

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story that those charges were 
going to be racketeering Rico 

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charges over corrupt 
transactions that were involved 

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in this Bond deal, potential 
bribery false pretenses. 

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Essentially a scam Financial 
deal that resulted in Flint 

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joining this new order system 
and ultimately because Flint 

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join this New water system, the 
city being poisoned because to 

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join this new order system, 
Flint use the Flint River in the

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interim. 
Yeah. 

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So there's two separate issues 
one. 

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When attorney general Nestle 
came in, you know, she claims 

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she recused herself from the 
criminal investigation, meaning 

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she wasn't involved and she 
hired, you know, she appointed 

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the solicitor general of 
Michigan and another prosecutor 

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to co-lead it. 
Whether she's involved at a day 

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or not. 
It's obviously under her 

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purview. 
So what we Was they not only 

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00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:49,200
basically, you know, by all 
intents and purposes buried the 

454
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:54,000
racketeering case. 
But in addition to the uncharged

455
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,900
meaning, the racketeering case 
was was going. 

456
00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:59,400
Those charges were going to be 
pressed, but attorney general 

457
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,900
Nestle and her team never 
followed up on it. 

458
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:05,800
In addition to that. 
They actually dismissed already 

459
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,600
filed Financial charges against 
two of the emergency managers 

460
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,400
that were appointed by Governor 
Snyder. 

461
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,600
Are the original prosecution 
team had charged to emergency 

462
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,000
managers? 
You had you had mentioned the 

463
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,700
emergency managers were 
basically appointed by Governor 

464
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:26,600
Snyder to run, Flint in place of
the elected mayor, the elected 

465
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,200
city council. 
Basically Stooges that were 

466
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,800
basically running Flint as 
proxies for the governor. 

467
00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:35,100
So, essentially Snyder was 
running Flint through these 

468
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:39,400
Stooges, two of those. 
Emergency managers, they were 

469
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,200
charged with false pretenses and
Conspiracy to commit. 

470
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,700
False pretenses for that. 
Fraudulent Bond deal. 

471
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:52,000
Those charges were filed in 2016
by the original, Flint water 

472
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,600
investigation, team attorney, 
general Nestle, and her team 

473
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,400
dropped, those charges in 2019 
and they then recharge those 

474
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,900
same officials in 2021, but the 
financial fraud charges were 

475
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:06,700
gone. 
They recharge them with lesser 

476
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:09,600
crimes, but the financial fraud 
charges were gone. 

477
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,400
So what you have here is Major 
racketeering case. 

478
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,600
That basically just was cut off,
you know, dress cut off on the 

479
00:31:17,608 --> 00:31:22,100
vine and then you have other 
Financial charges that were 

480
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:24,400
charged but dismissed by the 
Attorney General. 

481
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:27,000
Hmm. 
Why? 

482
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,500
Why did a Democrat, why did she 
do this? 

483
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:37,400
You know, I can't get their head
needless to say she has not 

484
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:41,800
answered any of my questions but
you know there's a lot of 

485
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,500
there's several moving Parts 
here, number one attorney, 

486
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:48,800
general Nestle Democrat or not, 
did something very unusual as a 

487
00:31:48,808 --> 00:31:52,200
candidate. 
She was running to be attorney 

488
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,900
general and she was publicly, 
you know, criticizing the 

489
00:31:56,900 --> 00:32:00,600
investigation, calling it, 
politically charged show, 

490
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,700
trials. 
That's on. 

491
00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:05,700
Unusual based on lawyers, I 
spoke with because she had no 

492
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:09,200
access to the evidence. 
All she knew was what the public

493
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,900
knew. 
So she was already before, she 

494
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:15,900
became attorney, general 
previewing that she was going to

495
00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:18,600
clean house and it's, this was 
taking too long and etcetera, 

496
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,900
Etc. 
So I don't know what was behind 

497
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:24,400
that motivation. 
There was reporting that you 

498
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,900
know, she, you know, wanted her 
own team. 

499
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,900
I've spoken with sources who 
said she didn't want, you know, 

500
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:36,500
this was a political thing, she 
didn't The people that the 

501
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:38,900
previous attorney general had 
put in place to get the credit 

502
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:41,800
they were Republican. 
So whatever her motivation is. 

503
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:45,800
She got in there, she cleaned 
house and buy sources. 

504
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,900
I've spoken with as well as 
investigators. 

505
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:51,200
Who went on the record. 
They said there wasn't even 

506
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,900
really much of a debrief between
Nestle's team and this team that

507
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:56,500
had been investigating for three
years. 

508
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,800
So I don't know if this was 
simply incompetence, I don't 

509
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,000
know if this was simply You 
know, political thing when new 

510
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,200
people come in and think they 
know better but they basically 

511
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,100
cleaned house of the special 
prosecutor who had been who had 

512
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:14,900
filed those financial fraud 
charges against top officials 

513
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:18,800
and the Snyder Administration, 
the chief investigator who used 

514
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,700
to be the head of the FBI in 
Detroit and essentially most of 

515
00:33:22,708 --> 00:33:28,000
their team, the other element is
if these financial fraud charges

516
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,300
went forward, the state of 
Michigan would be on the hook. 

517
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:36,100
The potentially hundreds of 
millions of dollars in liability

518
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,000
because they approved through 
the Attorney General's office, 

519
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,900
they approved the an 
environmental order that 

520
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,600
basically gave Flint the green 
light to issue these bonds. 

521
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,000
So because the state of Michigan
had approved it the state of 

522
00:33:53,008 --> 00:33:55,000
Michigan. 
If the financial fraud charges 

523
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,100
go forward they're on the hook 
for hundreds of millions of 

524
00:33:57,108 --> 00:33:59,500
dollars. 
Then you bring in Wall Street, 

525
00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:02,700
JP Morgan Wells, Fargo and a 
third. 

526
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,500
Financial institution, they 
underwrote the bonds, meaning 

527
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:09,699
they financed the pipeline 
construction deal. 

528
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,199
So, JP Morgan and Wells. 
Fargo sources indicated, they 

529
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,600
too were facing similar 
liability hundreds of millions 

530
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,699
of dollars, because as part of 
the environmental order that 

531
00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:26,400
gave Flint the green light to 
borrow this money. 

532
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,100
JP Morgan, Wells, Fargo. 
They were supposed to do their 

533
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:33,900
due diligence as part of that 
environmental or To make sure 

534
00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:37,100
that the Flint Water Treatment 
Plant was ready to go. 

535
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:40,600
That the, the equipment upgrades
were made and that the Flint 

536
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,100
Water Treatment Plant had the 
wherewithal to safely treat the 

537
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,400
Flint River water. 
Clearly, that didn't happen. 

538
00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:52,600
So actually, JP Morgan Wells. 
Fargo were sued in 2020 on 

539
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,199
behalf of 2400. 
Flint children. 

540
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:58,200
Civilly not criminally for, 
what, what? 

541
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,500
I'm discussing for their 
basically pushing this Bond 

542
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:04,000
deal. 
Oh, through without doing their 

543
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,800
due diligence. 
So I can tell you, I can't get 

544
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,200
any attorney general's, mind, I 
can't State as a fact that this 

545
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,100
is why they killed the 
racketeering charges, or this is

546
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:15,700
why they dropped the financial 
charges. 

547
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:18,500
But what I do know is there's 
seems to be a bit of a conflict 

548
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:21,900
here because on one end you have
the state of Michigan claiming, 

549
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:25,000
they're going to go after the 
potential criminals and bring 

550
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,800
Justice to Flint. 
But on the other end, if they 

551
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:34,700
threw the book for financial 
fraud At Schneider to, I mean 

552
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:38,000
the bill for the state of 
Michigan they got they got away 

553
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,000
with a 600 million dollar 
settlement. 

554
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,900
Civilly, the Flint last year, 
you talk to most residents my 

555
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:46,600
opinion. 
That's not, that's not enough 

556
00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:49,500
but essentially there was a lot 
of liability. 

557
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,500
It was not a lot of liability 
here. 

558
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,000
Explain why? 
That's not enough. 

559
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,900
Well, essentially a 600 million 
dollar settlement to the people 

560
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:03,000
of Flint amounts to about a used
car for every child in Flint. 

561
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:10,000
You know, little under 10 grand,
it is, you know, the children, 

562
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,300
obviously. 
Most of the money is going to 

563
00:36:12,308 --> 00:36:17,300
the children, that's great. 
I got a flint nearly 20 times, 

564
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:21,000
is a lot of adults slowly dying 
in Flint to, and most of the 

565
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,300
money went to Children, 
obviously. 

566
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:25,800
We don't want to pit between 
children and adults, but there 

567
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,100
should be more money to go 
around for everybody children. 

568
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,600
Not only the physical harm but 
the mental harm learning 

569
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:37,100
disabilities, behavioral 
problems, learning delays, 

570
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,800
women, who lost babies 
miscarriages. 

571
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:47,200
So six hundred million dollars 
for this kind of humanitarian 

572
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,100
crime crime against humanity. 
Humanity to me is a drop in the 

573
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:53,300
bucket. 
What it should have been. 

574
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,700
At the minimum, in my view over 
a billion dollars. 

575
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,800
And again, if you know if 
Snyder, the part of the reason 

576
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,900
that from sources, I spoke with 
and my own reporting part of the

577
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:10,100
reason they wanted to get the 
civil settlement done before 

578
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:13,700
advancing, the criminal charges 
was because once the Civil 

579
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:17,500
settlements done, that and the 
bill is done, you can't 

580
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:21,100
retroactively go back and ask 
for more once all parties have 

581
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:23,800
agreed. 
So that's why It was so 

582
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,800
important for them to get the 
state to get the civil 

583
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,300
settlement done because let's 
say you come out with heavy-duty

584
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:32,600
crime, charges after that 
against the governor or others. 

585
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:35,300
Then the state's liability would
have been even higher. 

586
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:40,600
Mmm, When I run into people and 
they ask, how's it going in 

587
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,200
Flint? 
They think that all the pipes 

588
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,300
that have been replaced, that 
ought. 

589
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:51,300
They know they heard in the news
that all this money will send to

590
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:54,100
Flint undo the damage and 
explain to them. 

591
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:58,100
Well, there are some of the main
line pipes out underneath the 

592
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:05,300
streets that have been replaced,
but all the pipes that go from 

593
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:08,700
the main line from the street to
the house and then all the 

594
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:13,800
internal Plumbing Systems and 
everybody's home What's their 

595
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,600
appliances? 
Whether it's a washing machine, 

596
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,300
or dishwasher, or whatever. 
Their shower is all been 

597
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:25,000
corroded and contaminated other.
That's replaced. 

598
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:30,700
I don't think people understand 
they hear, you know, the state 

599
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:32,100
of Michigan. 
Somebody puts out a piece of 

600
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:36,000
good news, we've replaced all 
these pipes, while you've been 

601
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,900
there, tell people what you've 
seen. 

602
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,400
Well, first of all, it's even 
worse than that and this got 

603
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,700
buried. 
Partially, if I'm being honest 

604
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:48,400
by Newsweek 2018 myself, my 
reporting partner. 

605
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,200
At the time, Jen dies, we went 
to Flint because we were being 

606
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,400
told by residents that Snyder 
and his environmental Department

607
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,500
were cooking. 
The Data. 

608
00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:00,500
Meaning they were cheating on 
the water testing to basically 

609
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,500
produce artificially lower lead 
levels. 

610
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,800
So we just did something radical
and started knocking on doors. 

611
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:11,000
And we knocked on almost 400 
almost 400 doors in the summer 

612
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,900
and fall of 2018 and we found 
that Snyder's environmental 

613
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:18,100
Department. 
Had been sending officials into 

614
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:22,500
residents homes and collecting 
samples but running their water 

615
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:26,700
right before taking the sample, 
not the night before I'm talking

616
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:29,400
minutes. 
Or that's completely against EPA

617
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,400
regulations. 
So, they were cooking the data 

618
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,200
by Arctic. 
You know, if you run the water 

619
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,600
for several minutes, you're 
going to flush out potentially 

620
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:40,300
high levels of lead copper. 
So that's how they got those 

621
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:44,700
levels and Snyder and his team 
never denied it. 

622
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,800
They play dumb but we were 
working on that story for 

623
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,400
Newsweek for some reason they 
killed it that week, we broke 

624
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,700
it, we just self published it in
2018, it got a lot of Buzz, this

625
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:59,400
and that but Basically because 
it got killed by Newsweek, it 

626
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,000
was able to be swept under the 
rug you advance past that the 

627
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:10,100
the testing that has been done. 
They test very you know, small 

628
00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:14,800
number of homes in the city. 
They are testing, you know, kind

629
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,700
of cherry-picking neighborhoods 
in many cases testing 

630
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:20,200
neighborhoods that weren't as 
negatively affected. 

631
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,800
So in some cases, they're 
testing, you know, 50, 60 homes 

632
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,200
and declaring the whole city 
fine. 

633
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:30,300
But any engineer you speak They 
have not changed all of the 

634
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:34,400
pipes, they have not touched the
main pipes underneath the 

635
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,700
street. 
They've only been replacing the 

636
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:40,500
service lines which are the 
pipes from your curb into your 

637
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:42,600
home. 
So the main pipes, which, for 

638
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,800
years, they've been breaking all
over Flint because they were 

639
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,700
busted by this toxic water. 
They are not there. 

640
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:53,200
They're only being replaced when
they bust and you mentioned the 

641
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,300
interior Plumbing. 
It's not like the water just you

642
00:40:56,300 --> 00:41:00,200
know, skip Over people's 
interior Plumbing, that is not 

643
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,700
being replaced. 
In fact, the former mayor Karen 

644
00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:05,900
Weaver told me on the record 
that she went to Governor. 

645
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:10,700
Whitmer, the current governor to
ask for help funding to start, 

646
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:14,100
tackling Flint residents 
interior, plumbing and the 

647
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:15,900
governor. 
This is what the mayor said, 

648
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:19,700
told her there's Flint fatigue 
in the state legislature and I 

649
00:41:19,707 --> 00:41:21,300
can't get any more money for 
that. 

650
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,800
So essentially, yeah, you've had
media really just serviced in 

651
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,900
Agra Firs either. 
Girja tating. 

652
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:31,300
The numbers that Snyder was 
putting out there or the numbers

653
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:32,800
that are currently being put out
there. 

654
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:36,100
But the numbers that are being 
put out there, I'm not a 

655
00:41:36,107 --> 00:41:38,900
conspiracy theorist but I could 
tell you having been to Flint 

656
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:40,600
many times including less 
summer. 

657
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,700
There's residents still 
receiving getting rashes from 

658
00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:46,000
that water. 
I mean, I've spoken with them. 

659
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,000
I've seen it. 
Yeah, there's there's residents 

660
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,700
that still are losing hair in 
the shower and not to mention 

661
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:54,200
the long-term health effects 
that are not being addressed. 

662
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,000
Flint doesn't have Medicare, for
all they had Short-term Medicaid

663
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,800
expansion, which is pretty much 
up. 

664
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,800
I've talked to Residents who are
near bankruptcy trying to afford

665
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,400
environmental doctors because 
regular internists aren't the 

666
00:42:06,408 --> 00:42:08,900
best for heavy metal poisoning 
and things like that. 

667
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:13,400
So this is not over and it's 
still very much whatever the 

668
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,000
word you want to call it, I 
would call it a catastrophe but 

669
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,100
it's been normalized and kind of
in, you know, mission 

670
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:23,600
accomplished so to speak. 
Because the numbers that are 

671
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,700
being put out, claim to be 
meeting, he PA regulations. 

672
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,100
And it's the fun. 
It's the Flint Water Crisis. 

673
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,300
This is some hey, it sounds. 
So like, what's the, what's the 

674
00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:41,200
word they use for the climate, 
the climate crisis, right? 

675
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,500
We're Beyond crisis. 
This is a catastrophe, you know,

676
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:50,400
I just, I want you to come on 
today in part 2 because I wanted

677
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:57,100
you to help pull me and people 
who still live there out of Of 

678
00:42:57,107 --> 00:43:04,300
our despair because mayor Weaver
said that Lansing has Flint. 

679
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:06,300
Flint OT. 
Right. 

680
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:10,200
Right. 
And you know, you know, if this 

681
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:15,000
was again a white City that had 
some money, you don't talk about

682
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,900
fatigue when you're talking 
about a white City. 

683
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:21,200
All I don't want to I really 
don't want to hear about Ann 

684
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,300
Arbor anymore. 
Please. 

685
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,200
I have fatigue right? 
No. 

686
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:30,000
Yeah, you know I think that 
Obviously Snyder and the 

687
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,400
Republican regime, they they 
carry the weight of the original

688
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,100
sin here. 
But as, you know, there's a 

689
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:40,100
whole lot of people in Flint 
really excited when Gretchen 

690
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:43,600
Whitmer was elected, same thing 
with Dan and Nestle as attorney 

691
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,400
general felt. 
You know, Democrats coming in, 

692
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,300
obviously, they were not getting
the help that they needed. 

693
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:51,100
They were getting a cover-up 
under Snyder. 

694
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:55,200
And the Republicans, and one of 
the things Governor Whitmer had 

695
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,000
said during the Governor's 
debates was that she was going 

696
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,000
to reopen the water stations, 
the free water stations that 

697
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:05,900
Governor Snyder. 
Had shuttered claiming oh the 

698
00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:08,700
numbers are good. 
Flint's Waters back to normal. 

699
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:11,500
We could shut down these water 
pods, which residents depended 

700
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:15,200
on for bottled water. 
That's what you ran on. 

701
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,600
She never did that attorney 
general Nestle, my reporting 

702
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,500
indicates. 
There's just a lot of bizarre 

703
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:23,700
things going on. 
There's a lot of bizarre things.

704
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:28,300
In terms of purging the entire 
investigation, In team that had 

705
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,300
investigated this for three 
years that had already charged 

706
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:36,300
15 state of Michigan and city of
Flint officials. 

707
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,400
Then dropping all the charges 
claiming deficiencies in their 

708
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,500
their their investigation even 
though that original 

709
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:51,800
investigation had already 
resulted in two of the top state

710
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,800
officials, the health department
director and the chief medical 

711
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,900
executive. 
They were they were Were a judge

712
00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:00,800
ruled that they both had to go 
to trial after a year-long 

713
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,000
pre-trials. 
So, the first investigation 

714
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,500
couldn't have been that 
deficient, if a judge had agreed

715
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,300
to of the top officials had to 
face the music in front of a 

716
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:12,200
jury, and then you have again, 
what? 

717
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,700
I've outlined the dropping of 
financial charges with no 

718
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:18,400
explanation. 
Why not following through on the

719
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:23,100
racketeering charges? 
Now you have kind of the 

720
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:27,200
governor and top defendants 
citing deficiencies in The 

721
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,400
prosecution, the new at the 
second, and prosecution under de

722
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,900
nesle. 
So you just have whatever. 

723
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,200
The reason is, whether it's 
incompetence, whether it's, you 

724
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,000
know, there was not enough 
political will to go for the 

725
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:45,000
follow the money in my story. 
Eric, Mays, who is blind city 

726
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,100
council chairman? 
He actually says that Nestle. 

727
00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:51,100
Let It Go. 
That's the Attorney General. 

728
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:54,200
She let it go. 
She said I'm just quoting. 

729
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,300
It was it a lack of political or
legal will I cannot say, but it 

730
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:00,600
bothers me to this day. 
Her team hasn't addressed that 

731
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,800
speaking about the financial 
fraud here, and I think that's 

732
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,800
what it comes down to. 
Because for people not from 

733
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,500
Flint listening to this as a 
journalist. 

734
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:12,800
I'm always telling people follow
the money, these things don't 

735
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,600
happen by accident. 
There's usually greed involved. 

736
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,000
There's usually landowners 
involved, investors involved 

737
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:26,700
Banks involved, pop politicians 
involved and the people of 

738
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:29,300
Flint. 
Nerve to know, what was the root

739
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:31,000
of this. 
Because we know the original 

740
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,900
narrative what they fed us but 
who why was Flint on the Flint 

741
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:38,800
River in the first place. 
Why was Flint joining this new 

742
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,000
water system? 
Who broke the law through 

743
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,300
financial fraud. 
Let's just call it a scam to 

744
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,400
Fort to basically, you know, 
Hoodwink the people of Flint 

745
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,000
into joining this new water 
system, the people of Flint 

746
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,400
deserve to know and they deserve
those people to be held 

747
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,000
accountable. 
Well, unfortunately, the current

748
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,700
attorney general and her team 
are not following the money. 

749
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:05,200
I mean, I would love to have egg
on my face, Maybe Tomorrow, 

750
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,800
they'll announce these 
discharges. 

751
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:09,400
Who knows, but they're not 
following the money and the 

752
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,400
other problem. 
And you, and I have talked about

753
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,300
this Michael previous reporting.
I did, the Attorney General's, 

754
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:18,500
press its predecessor the 
original team. 

755
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:20,500
They were building a case 
against the governor for 

756
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:24,100
involuntary manslaughter to be 
clear that they were not ready 

757
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:26,000
to charge him with that, but 
that's the case they were 

758
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,600
building. 
They Felt they had evidence 

759
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,500
against him for involuntary 
manslaughter. 

760
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:33,200
So these are major discrepancies
between the original 

761
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,900
investigation, who was building,
a racketeering case, you know, 

762
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:38,900
gunning for involuntary 
manslaughter against the 

763
00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:44,400
governor, which obviously would 
be a very seismic event and this

764
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,700
prosecution who did not follow 
through on any of those things. 

765
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,700
So what do people do now? 
What, how do we not want to 

766
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:57,800
strap how, how do we? 
Deal with the fact that now that

767
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:03,300
the Democrats are charged in the
state capital, it's a whole lot 

768
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:06,900
more of the same old thing. 
I mean, you know, this gets just

769
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:10,500
so depressing to with people, 
they people give up a certain 

770
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:15,800
people, just decide The whole 
system is rigged, why bother? 

771
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:21,100
And then that's when the bad 
guys win, right? 

772
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:25,100
Yeah, I mean as a journalist 
I've tried my best one of the 

773
00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:29,700
problems and, you know, this is 
your State's media doesn't seem 

774
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:31,700
to have an appetite for this 
anymore. 

775
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,400
I literally have broken four 
stories in two years based on 

776
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:41,900
Didn't, you know, very strong 
sourcing documents from the 

777
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:44,400
criminal investigation? 
The Detroit Free Press won't 

778
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,100
touch it. 
The Flint Journal won't touch 

779
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:47,700
it. 
When Detroit News won't touch 

780
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:49,900
it. 
Why that's the most frustrating 

781
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:52,000
part. 
I go to Flint, and I'm talking 

782
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,700
to Residents that don't even 
know what I broke. 

783
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,900
Because they're not seeing it on
their TV, and they're not seeing

784
00:48:55,900 --> 00:49:00,100
it in these news outlets. 
So, number one, you know, if 

785
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:03,100
there's a riff there, if the 
residents of Flint have any 

786
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:07,200
more, you know, rally in them. 
I would start circling the 

787
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,300
wagons around these The outlets,
you know, non-violently 

788
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:14,000
obviously, but because these 
media Outlets are normalizing 

789
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,800
this by burying what's actually 
going on and burying the truth. 

790
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,700
I would not stop there though. 
Again, these residents are 

791
00:49:21,707 --> 00:49:23,200
tired, I speak with them all the
time. 

792
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,500
They're physically tired. 
They're mentally exhausted. 

793
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:28,400
They've been fighting for eight 
years then then you have the 

794
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:33,100
pandemic on top of things. 
But I mean, I think good 

795
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:37,400
old-fashioned protest outside 
Governor wit Bear. 

796
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:38,900
Yes. 
She's a Democrat. 

797
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:43,800
But at this point Democrat, 
Republican alien, they're not 

798
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:47,000
they're not giving Flint 
residents Justice, they should 

799
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,000
be protesting outside, whitmer's
office outside Nestle's office, 

800
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,700
not only for justice, but where 
is their Healthcare? 

801
00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:55,500
Use you. 
And I spoke about this 

802
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:59,100
previously, Libby, Montana is 
96% white. 

803
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,500
They had an asbestos disaster, 
that killed a lot of people. 

804
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,300
And for Libby Montana snuck into
Obamacare was medicare-for-all 

805
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,200
for the Six percent white 
residents of Libby, Montana they

806
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,500
deserved it. 
Why do, why doesn't the 53 

807
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:16,600
percent black residents of Flint
deserve medicare-for-all for 

808
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,100
being poisoned wide? 
And by the way, there's a lot of

809
00:50:20,107 --> 00:50:24,300
poor white people in Flint to. 
So it's very I think you know to

810
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:29,000
me we're fighting a lot of 
battles, climate crisis, you 

811
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,600
know, and creeping, creeping 
authoritarianism, white 

812
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,700
supremacy covid. 
You know, creeping so much 

813
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:39,000
anymore, right? 
But at the end, End of the day, 

814
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:41,800
the end of the day, not just the
people of Flint but the rest of 

815
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,200
the country. 
If you let this go and Flint, if

816
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,900
you don't rally for Flint, if 
you don't join protest for 

817
00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:51,700
Flint, what makes you think this
could not happen in your city? 

818
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:54,700
If the people that did this, the
Flint are not held accountable 

819
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,800
Right. 
Well, I've believed that, you 

820
00:50:58,808 --> 00:51:03,500
know, having lived there for a 
big chunk of my life that Flint 

821
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,800
in the past, has been the canary
in the coal mine and I've when I

822
00:51:07,808 --> 00:51:11,700
made my first film, I was trying
to really tell the rest of the 

823
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:13,600
country that this isn't just 
Flint. 

824
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,600
This is coming to your hometown 
and we all better get. 

825
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:21,200
Get busy on it right now. 
And I remember having a very 

826
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,700
hard time making that case, 
people felt bad for Flint but 

827
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:27,900
they they didn't see that. 
It would be coming to there. 

828
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,500
Their state to their city and 
then it did and people trying to

829
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:36,400
just fight and live through the 
endemic. 

830
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:41,100
It's hard to wrap your head 
around all the other things 

831
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:44,800
we're fighting for, right? 
And so to those who are 

832
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:50,800
listening, I, you know, where 
can they go to be brought up to 

833
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,900
date on the latest in Flint. 
And that silly and to 

834
00:51:54,900 --> 00:52:00,000
participate in trying to create 
some sort of Justice here. 

835
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:05,400
Yes. 
Oh my Outlets that is cou, cou P

836
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,000
or on YouTube, it's under status
quo news. 

837
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:13,100
I probably at this point, I have
200 to 300 videos just on the 

838
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:14,800
Flint, Water Crisis, the 
cover-up. 

839
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,000
I've been on the ground 
reporting in, Flint nearly 20 

840
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,200
times. 
So definitely subscribe to my 

841
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,600
channel. 
That status cou cou p. 

842
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,000
We cover other things, too, but 
at the time, if you haven't read

843
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,200
this story, please read it. 
It's in the guardian. 

844
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:34,300
It's at the top of my And yet I 
would tell people honestly, you 

845
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:39,000
know, at the end of the day, 
like you just discuss, people 

846
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,200
are overwhelmed with multiple 
fights, but at the end of the 

847
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,700
day, this is to me based on my 
reporting. 

848
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,300
This is the biggest government 
cover-up of this Century. 

849
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,700
I think it's bigger than 
Watergate, Watergate didn't kill

850
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:52,400
anyone. 
If there wasn't a president 

851
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,600
involved in Watergate, nobody 
would have blinked twice. 

852
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,600
I mean, not that Watergate isn't
scandalous but you're talking 

853
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:03,200
about a governor who literally 
new To his constituents were 

854
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,100
drinking contaminated water for 
a year and a half and said, 

855
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:10,200
nothing and a cover-up of that. 
You're talking about previous 

856
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,100
reporting, I did that Governor's
top officials their phones were 

857
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:18,000
erased, their phones were erased
messages, deleted shortly before

858
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,600
the launch of the criminal 
investigation. 

859
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,200
You're talking about a governor 
who's top advisor known around? 

860
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,100
Michigan is kind of his henchmen
was going around the city of 

861
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:31,000
Flint offering payoffs to sick 
residents to keep them quiet. 

862
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,800
It I mean there are so this is a
massive government cover-up in 

863
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,800
addition to a humanitarian 
crisis. 

864
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,200
So you would think for 
journalists they would never 

865
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,400
give up on this because it's the
story of a lifetime. 

866
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,500
But to me, people need to get 
involved because this is not 

867
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:49,100
just happening in Flint. 
There are Financial deals 

868
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:51,800
happening all over this country,
through the issuing of bonds. 

869
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,800
And other measures Mech 
mechanisms, they're being sold 

870
00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:00,700
to you as economic development, 
you know, urban renewal these 

871
00:54:00,700 --> 00:54:03,700
kind of Things. 
But there's a lot of shortcuts 

872
00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:07,300
being taken and there's a lot of
quote-unquote public-private 

873
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:10,400
Partnerships happening between 
the government and private 

874
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,500
corporations that are selling 
you no pun intended down the 

875
00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:18,400
river. 
And if, if this just kind of 

876
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:23,200
becomes normal will will, you 
know, will recognize it every 

877
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,200
April 25th. 
This April 25th is eight years. 

878
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:30,400
Well, you know some news 
coverage will have news stories 

879
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,600
about Trust all the news stories
for major Outlets other water's 

880
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,000
fine. 
Now, it's just about trust. 

881
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,700
It's like, they're all in the 
same meeting. 

882
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:41,400
Pushing the same angle and 
rebuilding trust among the 

883
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,200
residents. 
Well, I don't think it's just a 

884
00:54:43,207 --> 00:54:45,100
trust issue because I was just 
there and I'm talking to 

885
00:54:45,107 --> 00:54:47,700
Residents who are still getting 
rashes, who are still losing 

886
00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:51,100
their hair residents telling me 
when their shower, it smells 

887
00:54:51,100 --> 00:54:55,700
their eyes burn in some cases. 
So, to me, even though this is 

888
00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:58,000
eight years later, you have to 
kind of trick your mind into 

889
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,300
thinking. 
This, this this is, this is 

890
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:02,400
never. 
Maybe it's a little better than 

891
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,100
2016 but it's still a major 
disaster and wouldn't you want? 

892
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,600
If this was your community, 
wouldn't you want the rest of 

893
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,200
the country, the world, to still
care? 

894
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:14,300
To still act? 
So I really hope not only Flint 

895
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:17,500
residents, but outside, Flint 
residents, start, flooding the 

896
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:19,900
governor's phones. 
The Attorney General's phones 

897
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,800
showing up for protest. 
You know, I'm a journalist 

898
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,200
you're supposed to just be 
neutral and be a robot, but I 

899
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,600
think you'd be a sociopath if 
you're just neutral to a city 

900
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,900
being poisoned and then a 
cover-up of these. 

901
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:34,200
People being poisoned and then 
then left to slowly die. 

902
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:36,000
I don't think you should be 
neutral to that. 

903
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,600
You should want to get to the 
bottom of it. 

904
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,600
Hold people accountable help in 
any way possible to deliver some

905
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,100
justice. 
So that's what I've been trying 

906
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:45,600
to do. 
It's not easy because frankly, 

907
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,200
the media Just kind of berries 
it. 

908
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,500
I mean, I know for a fact, the 
outlets I've outlined know about

909
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:53,500
the stories. 
I've broken. 

910
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:56,000
No, the information, some of the
editors of you've been responded

911
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,700
to me, but they don't report it 
and they don't follow up on it. 

912
00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:03,000
So yeah, definitely check out 
our Flint reporting at status. 

913
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,700
Go on YouTube. 
You know, we talked about we're 

914
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:10,800
all worried about the potential 
death of our democracy. 

915
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,800
It's not just about Trump. 
It's stuff like this where 

916
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,700
people lose their faith in 
their, in their government of by

917
00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:23,000
and for the people and and when 
they give up, that is the death 

918
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,000
of democracy. 
When Democrats say that, 

919
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,200
therefore the people and then 
they take office. 

920
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,900
And then this still goes on. 
That's the death of democracy 

921
00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:37,500
President Obama came to play. 
In this, this poisoning began 

922
00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:40,700
during his last two years in 
office. 

923
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:45,100
Last three years. 
And he and he comes there. 

924
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:47,500
We filmed in there. 
He wanted to put the whole thing

925
00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:54,900
to rest so he faked drank water 
at a rally here at a high school

926
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:58,700
and people the water was. 
Okay? 

927
00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:00,700
Why would you tell them? 
It's okay. 

928
00:57:00,700 --> 00:57:02,500
Wouldn't you knew it? 
Was it okay? 

929
00:57:03,900 --> 00:57:09,300
And then people give up. 
And so I you others were all 

930
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,600
we're not giving up. 
So thank you for the work that 

931
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,800
you continue to do Jordan and, 
you know, if I can speak on 

932
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:22,000
behalf of people in Flint, we're
very grateful that you keep 

933
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:28,800
digging keep investigating and 
that even if the spotlight finds

934
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:33,900
itself on the Democrats that we 
don't care, We are going to go 

935
00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:38,000
after anybody who is harming 
people in cities like Glen and 

936
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,600
everybody was thing. 
I'll have links to all these 

937
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,300
things. 
We talked about and phone 

938
00:57:43,300 --> 00:57:46,200
numbers to call the Attorney 
General's office governor's 

939
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:55,800
office email Etc, please. 
Silence in this case is It's 

940
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,600
really, it's really a form of 
violence in the sense that if 

941
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,700
we, who are not suffering, don't
say anything, don't do anything 

942
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:07,100
about it, then then we become 
part of the problem. 

943
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:11,700
So thank you, Jordan and keep up
the good work. 

944
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,500
Thank you, Michael. 
Well, that was great talking to 

945
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:18,700
Jordan. 
And I have a couple other 

946
00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:20,200
things. 
I want to just tell you about 

947
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,600
here, but first, I want to 
acknowledge our final 

948
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:28,700
underwriter today. 
It's Netflix and it's for the 

949
00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:32,200
film, don't look up. 
I, if you haven't seen this 

950
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:33,700
film, you've got to watch this 
film. 

951
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:39,200
It's rare that we get such a 
brilliant satire like this, 

952
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:42,400
don't look up, it's directed by 
the great comedy Legend. 

953
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:45,400
Adam McKay. 
Who's brought you everything 

954
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,500
from Vice to The Big Short to 
Talladega Nights. 

955
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,200
The legend of Ricky Bobby so 
much good comedy. 

956
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:58,100
Something we need right now but 
also a great story in this case 

957
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,100
for what were all living through
on this planet right now don't 

958
00:59:02,100 --> 00:59:06,400
look up is also co-written. 
The story of it is a good friend

959
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:07,700
of mine and a friend of the 
show. 

960
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:11,200
We've had them on before David. 
Sirota, it has an All-Star cast 

961
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,000
of Leonardo DiCaprio Meryl 
Streep Jennifer. 

962
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,900
Lawrence Mark rylands Jonah 
Hill, Rob Morgan. 

963
00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:23,300
Timothy sha'lame Kid Cudi and to
many others to count. 

964
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,500
Don't look up. 
Is the story of two scientists 

965
00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:31,300
who discovered that a comment is
hurdling its way towards Earth. 

966
00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:33,600
And what they attempt to do is 
try to warn everybody on the 

967
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,300
planet of this danger with. 
Well, let's just say mixed 

968
00:59:37,300 --> 00:59:40,200
results. 
You know, not everybody wants to

969
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,500
hear the bad news sometimes 
though, if that's your attitude,

970
00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:45,300
it is too. 
All of our detriment. 

971
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:48,600
So few films this year. 
My friends have tapped the 

972
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,900
Zeitgeist and reflect our 
current moment. 

973
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,800
Like, don't look up, don't look 
up, me paint, a dire portrait, 

974
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,700
but it's also hopeful because it
puts things in perspective and 

975
00:59:59,700 --> 01:00:01,900
lets us know. 
It's not too late to change 

976
01:00:01,900 --> 01:00:05,500
things and the motion picture 
Academy agrees. 

977
01:00:05,900 --> 01:00:09,800
Don't look up, is racked up a 
whole bunch of Oscar nominations

978
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:14,000
for Best Picture. 
Best screenplay, the score. 

979
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,700
Our best editing on and on its 
this is Adam. 

980
01:00:17,700 --> 01:00:20,100
McKay is second best picture 
nomination. 

981
01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:24,100
Also use also nominated for 
vice, the story of Dick Cheney, 

982
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,100
and it's his third nomination 
for screenplay, which he had 

983
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:31,800
been nominated before for vice, 
and the big short for which he 

984
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,000
won the Oscar. 
So don't miss out on. 

985
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,400
Don't look up here during this 
Oscar season on Netflix or on 

986
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,700
any smart device of your choice.
Don't look up from Adam McKay. 

987
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,200
My many thanks again to Jordan 
for joining me here. 

988
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,700
Again on Rumble and for all of 
his work covering, this heinous 

989
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:54,700
Injustice toward the people in 
Flint Michigan. 

990
01:00:55,300 --> 01:00:59,300
Please be sure to read his 
latest piece in the guardian. 

991
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,300
I've got a link for it here on 
my podcast site, and be sure to 

992
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:06,600
check out his on the ground, 
investigative reporting with his

993
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:11,400
investigative group called 
status cou cou p and it's 

994
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,600
available on YouTube. 
Again, one more reminder, before

995
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,900
we go that this Sunday, if 
you're a paid member of my 

996
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,000
Subspace ack, Michael more.com, 
it's just five bucks a month. 

997
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:25,700
I'm going to have it, I'm going 
to be having my occasional qa4 

998
01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:28,800
paid members. 
It's this Sunday, February 20th 

999
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:34,400
at 3 p.m. eastern time, so be 
sure to sign up for it if you 

1000
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,100
want to be a part of the zoom 
here, and we'll be sending out a

1001
01:01:38,107 --> 01:01:42,300
form on this on a Friday or 
Saturday here to are paid 

1002
01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:44,700
subscribers. 
So if you want to be part of 

1003
01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:48,000
that Zoom call and even if you 
don't want to be on screen, 

1004
01:01:48,300 --> 01:01:52,000
you'll still be able to submit 
questions via the comments that 

1005
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,600
are on my Subs there, just as 
we've done in past Q AIDS. 

1006
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,800
My thanks to executive producer,
bezel, Hamden, our editor and 

1007
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,700
sound engineer. 
Nick was our jack-of-all-trades,

1008
01:02:02,700 --> 01:02:06,400
Donald Bornstein, and everyone 
who has helped us put together 

1009
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:11,000
this podcast and to all of you 
for listening to it. 

1010
01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:13,000
I'm Michael Moore. 
This is Rumble. 

1011
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:14,500
Thanks for tuning in.