1 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,200 This is Rumble with Michael Moore. 2 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,120 And I'm Michael Moore and welcome everyone. 3 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,510 So we have with us here today on Rumble, the creator of the 4 00:00:28,510 --> 00:00:31,550 series I've been talking about now for a number of months, 5 00:00:32,470 --> 00:00:35,550 maybe the best thing that I've seen on TV. 6 00:00:35,870 --> 00:00:41,510 In the last year, he wrote Contagion a good decade or more 7 00:00:41,870 --> 00:00:46,510 before COVID came along. He wrote and directed this 8 00:00:46,510 --> 00:00:49,510 incredible film that we've discussed, called the Report, 9 00:00:50,390 --> 00:00:54,070 dramatic version of the Senate committee that held the 10 00:00:54,070 --> 00:00:57,380 investigation to figure out what was going on during the Bush 11 00:00:57,380 --> 00:01:02,940 administration with the black sites, with the torture and this 12 00:01:02,940 --> 00:01:06,260 series. It's on Apple plus TV. 13 00:01:07,100 --> 00:01:11,060 It's called Extrapolations. I'm showing the first three 14 00:01:11,060 --> 00:01:15,100 episodes of it in my Film Festival because it plays like 15 00:01:15,100 --> 00:01:20,180 great cinema. It's an anthology series, and 16 00:01:20,260 --> 00:01:24,140 when I was growing up these were somewhat common on television. 17 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,000 Maybe you've heard of The Alfred Hitchcock Hour, where every week 18 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,040 it was a new story, like a like a small film. 19 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,200 And that's what Extrapolations is. 20 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,880 It's eight episodes, but it's not episodic TV. 21 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,760 There is a brand new story every week. 22 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:46,520 The extent of this begins first episode in the year, I believe 23 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,560 2036. The last episode takes place in 24 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,880 the year 2070. So while Extrapolations is set 25 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,120 in the quote future, it starts in the very near future like 13 26 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,600 years from right now and there have been great documentaries 27 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,080 made about the collapse of our planet. 28 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:13,920 I haven't seen anything to match this that has used fiction 29 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:20,120 drama, this anthology series mode here with this particular 30 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:25,130 issue and been able to tell such a powerful story. 31 00:02:26,250 --> 00:02:29,930 I can't tell you how many times I've teared up watching these 32 00:02:29,970 --> 00:02:34,730 eight stories now some of them characters that you are 33 00:02:34,810 --> 00:02:38,170 introduced to in the first story, we'll call it the episode 34 00:02:38,170 --> 00:02:41,810 first episode. You will see again maybe three 35 00:02:41,810 --> 00:02:44,490 or four episodes down the road. Some of them not to the last 36 00:02:44,490 --> 00:02:47,170 episode, some you'll see only once. 37 00:02:48,530 --> 00:02:54,680 The actors that Scott convinced to do this, I mean it just TV 38 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,480 doesn't get this good. Meryl Streep is in it. 39 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,080 Kit Harington, who played Jon Snow on Game of Thrones. 40 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,760 He's the supposedly the the guy who's going to help save the 41 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,760 planet. He's got strong environmental 42 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,080 tendencies, except he's got to make at least a billion dollars 43 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,840 while he's saving Earth. On and on and on. 44 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,440 Edward Norton is in it. Forest Whitaker, Marion 45 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:23,570 Cotillard, David Schwimmer. Oh my God, so many great actors 46 00:03:24,010 --> 00:03:26,170 in this. Some again, are only one 47 00:03:26,170 --> 00:03:28,530 episode. Some come back 20 years later, 48 00:03:28,650 --> 00:03:31,050 10 years later. I'm telling you, my friends, 49 00:03:31,170 --> 00:03:32,930 you've not seen anything like this. 50 00:03:33,490 --> 00:03:36,690 If you can convince people in your family, your friends, your 51 00:03:36,690 --> 00:03:40,570 neighbors, your coworkers, your fellow classmates, this is just 52 00:03:40,570 --> 00:03:44,370 great filmmaking. It's great drama and the 53 00:03:44,370 --> 00:03:47,850 storytelling. By the end of of any particular 54 00:03:47,850 --> 00:03:51,080 story, any particular episode here, you need to sit with it. 55 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,280 You need to think about it. You'll go to bed. 56 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:54,960 You'll be thinking about it tomorrow. 57 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,000 How often do you get to see a movie or something on streaming 58 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,520 on TV where literally it just sticks right, right to your 59 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,840 bones. 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And Thank you Better Help for 81 00:05:15,860 --> 00:05:19,260 supporting this podcast and for supporting my voice. 82 00:05:22,780 --> 00:05:29,300 OK, it's time to bring on the great Scott Z Burns, the creator 83 00:05:29,780 --> 00:05:32,860 of this incredible series on Apple TV. 84 00:05:33,620 --> 00:05:35,340 And I I just can't tell you enough. 85 00:05:35,660 --> 00:05:38,700 If you have nothing planned this weekend, this is a great binge 86 00:05:38,700 --> 00:05:41,500 weekend. I Can't Sing Scott's praises 87 00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:43,780 enough, but let's let Scott do some of the talking. 88 00:05:44,460 --> 00:05:49,580 Scott Z Burns, writer, director, producer, creator, thank you so 89 00:05:49,580 --> 00:05:52,700 much for making this series. And thank you for being on 90 00:05:52,700 --> 00:05:57,540 Rumble here with me today. Thank you so much for everything 91 00:05:57,540 --> 00:05:59,620 you just said. That was sort of a dream come 92 00:05:59,620 --> 00:06:04,510 true for me, I should also say. We are in the middle of a strike 93 00:06:04,510 --> 00:06:09,430 and I am a a member of the Writers Guild and we're not 94 00:06:09,670 --> 00:06:12,030 supposed to be out promoting our products. 95 00:06:12,350 --> 00:06:14,190 So I just want to say two things about that. 96 00:06:14,190 --> 00:06:17,230 First of all, I'm doing this because Apple put the show in 97 00:06:17,230 --> 00:06:20,870 front of the pay wall, so they're not profiting from this. 98 00:06:21,310 --> 00:06:23,790 I am not certainly not profiting from it. 99 00:06:24,190 --> 00:06:28,910 So I appreciate the opportunity to speak about the show free 100 00:06:28,910 --> 00:06:30,670 from commerce. The other thing. 101 00:06:31,220 --> 00:06:35,140 Which I will say about my Guild that I think is lovely is I've 102 00:06:35,140 --> 00:06:39,180 spoken to them a few times during the strike about wanting 103 00:06:39,180 --> 00:06:41,460 to take an opportunity to talk about climate. 104 00:06:42,180 --> 00:06:46,100 And what I've said every time is part of being an adult means 105 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:49,300 that sometimes you have to deal with more than one difficult 106 00:06:49,340 --> 00:06:53,060 situation at a time, and this is exactly that. 107 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:55,980 And Labor and Climate are not strangers. 108 00:06:56,420 --> 00:06:59,620 We will encounter those two things more and more as time 109 00:06:59,620 --> 00:07:02,800 goes on. That they encouraged me to talk 110 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,000 about the show and to talk about climate change. 111 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,600 Also thanks to those of you in the public, every poll that's 112 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,920 been taken during the writers and the actors strike shows 70% 113 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,080 or more of the American public support the writers and the 114 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,840 actors in this strike. And so I will speak on your 115 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,080 behalf, if that's OK, Scott, and thanking sure, the vast majority 116 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,360 of the American people who've been supporting us. 117 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,960 And thank you for also supporting the UAW. 118 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,960 So I really appreciate you saying what you said. 119 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,240 And of course, our unions and the UAW and others, our 120 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:44,960 environment, our collapse is first and foremost in the front 121 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,320 of all of their minds and their actions in trying to save this 122 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,680 planet. We're all in the same boat here 123 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,840 together. Just explain to the audience 124 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,840 here how this came together. Where did this idea come from? 125 00:07:59,270 --> 00:08:03,710 Clearly you make films about social issues, social justice, 126 00:08:04,150 --> 00:08:07,430 corruption and power, all the great work that you've done both 127 00:08:07,430 --> 00:08:11,310 on TV and with movies. But I've never seen anything 128 00:08:11,310 --> 00:08:13,710 like this. Thank you. 129 00:08:13,870 --> 00:08:16,670 That means a lot. You know, we need to save the 130 00:08:16,670 --> 00:08:19,790 planet so that we continue to argue about all the other things 131 00:08:19,790 --> 00:08:21,750 that it's important for us to argue about. 132 00:08:22,190 --> 00:08:26,070 For me, who's really more of a screenwriter and filmmaker, I 133 00:08:26,070 --> 00:08:31,150 wanted to. See, what I could do with 134 00:08:31,150 --> 00:08:35,950 fiction if it was informed by science and I just wanted to 135 00:08:35,950 --> 00:08:40,350 tell human stories and I wanted to sort of test a hypothesis 136 00:08:40,830 --> 00:08:47,230 that if it's a great story and it can move people, putting it 137 00:08:47,230 --> 00:08:51,270 in in a climate changed world shouldn't diminish that. 138 00:08:51,870 --> 00:08:55,550 That you know, as one of the people who works on our show, 139 00:08:55,550 --> 00:08:57,550 Dorothy Portenberry is fond of saying. 140 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,160 The shows that don't address the fact that the climate's going to 141 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,320 be different or already is different, those are the science 142 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,560 fiction shows. Those are the shows that are 143 00:09:07,560 --> 00:09:12,200 pretending with the world. Our show, it isn't. 144 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,120 You know, people should know. This is not the worst case 145 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,840 scenario. We spent years in in in a 146 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,800 writers room making sure we weren't doing the darkest 147 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,320 version and what I really wanted to tell. 148 00:09:26,860 --> 00:09:32,380 Was the messy middle of the story not not the part where you 149 00:09:32,380 --> 00:09:35,260 know, the world ends. The world does not end. 150 00:09:35,260 --> 00:09:41,940 In our show, it doesn't. And I also wanted to find a time 151 00:09:41,940 --> 00:09:45,180 horizon that made sense for a lot of different people. 152 00:09:45,180 --> 00:09:49,140 Because one of the things we never talk about with climate is 153 00:09:49,220 --> 00:09:52,180 how it affects different people in different places. 154 00:09:52,660 --> 00:09:57,430 And if you have children. Your time horizon might be the 155 00:09:57,430 --> 00:10:00,910 end of the century. If you have a lot of money, you 156 00:10:00,910 --> 00:10:02,750 may not even have a time horizon. 157 00:10:02,750 --> 00:10:05,950 It may be the end of your life if you're in a frontline 158 00:10:05,950 --> 00:10:10,230 community that's dealing with issues surrounding pollution. 159 00:10:10,230 --> 00:10:13,230 Or if you're in the Marshall Islands and the seas are coming 160 00:10:13,230 --> 00:10:16,750 up around you, or you're in Alaska and you're going to lose 161 00:10:16,750 --> 00:10:19,270 your entire community to sea level rise. 162 00:10:19,910 --> 00:10:22,670 You're on the Gulf Coast and you're being hammered by 163 00:10:22,670 --> 00:10:26,100 hurricanes. Your time horizon is very 164 00:10:26,100 --> 00:10:29,100 different. And I wanted to honor the fact 165 00:10:29,100 --> 00:10:33,420 that when we talk about climate change, just like when we talk 166 00:10:33,420 --> 00:10:36,700 about a lot of other social ills like health insurance or 167 00:10:36,700 --> 00:10:40,700 anything else, it really depends on who you are and what your 168 00:10:40,700 --> 00:10:44,500 resources are. And so that was the goal of the 169 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:48,660 show, was to not put it so far in the future that you could 170 00:10:48,660 --> 00:10:52,500 ignore it because it just seemed like a different world. 171 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:56,580 Because the future shows up in different places in different 172 00:10:56,580 --> 00:10:59,420 increments. It's not, as it turns out, like 173 00:10:59,420 --> 00:11:02,380 Star Trek and everything was just different. 174 00:11:02,940 --> 00:11:06,860 You know, walking around New York City, there are beautiful, 175 00:11:06,860 --> 00:11:10,140 really new buildings, and there are buildings from the 1800s 176 00:11:10,260 --> 00:11:13,460 right next to each other. And so we tried to create a 177 00:11:13,460 --> 00:11:19,180 future that honored that that the future shows up in different 178 00:11:19,180 --> 00:11:23,290 places and different amounts. And so that's how we chose to 179 00:11:23,290 --> 00:11:27,410 set our stories. And I shortly thereafter sent 180 00:11:27,410 --> 00:11:29,930 the first script I wrote to Meryl Streep, who I'd worked 181 00:11:29,930 --> 00:11:31,650 with on a film called The Laundromat. 182 00:11:32,290 --> 00:11:35,330 We had a lovely conversation about that. 183 00:11:35,850 --> 00:11:38,650 We got to the end of the conversation and she just said 184 00:11:38,850 --> 00:11:43,050 okay, when do we do this and we're off to the races? 185 00:11:43,210 --> 00:11:48,250 It's a very diverse cast. Leslie Uggams is in this, the 186 00:11:48,250 --> 00:11:50,250 great Leslie Uggams. I mean, yeah. 187 00:11:50,690 --> 00:11:55,410 So when in the first episode, as I mentioned, it starts in 2036, 188 00:11:55,810 --> 00:12:01,130 thirteen years from now, and it starts at the annual United 189 00:12:01,130 --> 00:12:05,730 Nations Gathering to discuss climate, yeah, it's called COP. 190 00:12:05,730 --> 00:12:10,250 You know, Cop 15, COP 20. Cop 28 is in a couple of months 191 00:12:10,250 --> 00:12:12,890 from right now. That'll be this year's version 192 00:12:12,890 --> 00:12:15,890 of that extrapolations. The first episode starts with 193 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:22,960 Cop. 42128 right now, so 42 and you've seen the news reports of 194 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,480 these cop gatherings, you know, they're huge and they're people 195 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,360 from all over the world. And the the most shocking image 196 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,560 in this first episode, right out of the gate is the camera is in 197 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:37,680 the back of the room of. It was supposed to be a huge 198 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:44,820 room and it's being held in Tel Aviv and it's 2036 and the room 199 00:12:45,020 --> 00:12:49,220 is virtually empty. There are representatives from 200 00:12:49,220 --> 00:12:54,260 countries sitting around the typical UN half Oval table. 201 00:12:54,980 --> 00:12:58,540 But there's there's there's lots of protests going on all over 202 00:12:58,540 --> 00:13:02,220 the world. But it looks like literally 203 00:13:02,820 --> 00:13:07,260 either people have given up or they realized having another cop 204 00:13:08,020 --> 00:13:10,020 is not going to solve the problem. 205 00:13:10,300 --> 00:13:13,760 We're so far down the road. This is a theme that is repeated 206 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,840 through all eight episodes. What made you decide to start 207 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,080 this way? I mean, you had to start 208 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,400 somewhere and you introduced us to the wealthy corporate head 209 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:29,040 who's got all these plans to quote save the species and, you 210 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,480 know get the carbon out of the atmosphere and all this. 211 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:36,560 But you can also see that he's he's really about the do re mi 212 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:39,760 more than he is about. Yeah, there doesn't seem to be 213 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,560 any shortage of of those people you know kicking around right 214 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:49,960 now especially in the tech sector and the cop phenomena is 215 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,920 is interesting. I mean, we're not that far away 216 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:59,560 from the reality of of of this show and and and when it begins 217 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,620 and. I worked with the UNA little bit 218 00:14:03,740 --> 00:14:08,500 on the show and I wanted to make sure I I got the details of the 219 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:12,220 cop correct. They were very forthcoming about 220 00:14:12,260 --> 00:14:17,220 their own concerns about how effective these kind of meetings 221 00:14:17,220 --> 00:14:19,900 have been. And here we are three years 222 00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:25,060 later and we're having it in Dubai and as we've heard this 223 00:14:25,060 --> 00:14:28,730 week. The president of the COP is a 224 00:14:28,730 --> 00:14:33,610 gentleman named Sultan Al Jabir, who is actually the head of an 225 00:14:33,610 --> 00:14:39,850 oil company in Dubai. And that steers us right into a 226 00:14:39,850 --> 00:14:45,210 very familiar problem where on one hand, we need to work with 227 00:14:45,210 --> 00:14:49,290 industry to solve these problems, on the other hand. 228 00:14:49,930 --> 00:14:54,010 Industries concern will always be to make money for its 229 00:14:54,010 --> 00:14:58,490 executives and its shareholders. And so are they really the the 230 00:14:58,490 --> 00:15:03,210 people to be trusted with the planet And that is a big theme 231 00:15:03,210 --> 00:15:08,010 of our show and it's a big, big theme of this moment. 232 00:15:08,450 --> 00:15:13,290 It's interesting to me that the head of the UN this week here in 233 00:15:13,290 --> 00:15:18,490 New York has decided that people who have not kept up with their. 234 00:15:18,940 --> 00:15:23,740 Commitments that they made in Paris are not allowed to speak 235 00:15:23,940 --> 00:15:26,740 during Climate Week. They called it the New York 236 00:15:26,740 --> 00:15:31,180 Times Shaming without naming. What's interesting is amongst 237 00:15:31,180 --> 00:15:34,740 those, and I will do a little shaming and naming, you know, 238 00:15:34,740 --> 00:15:39,540 Rishi Sunak, who is the PM of England and of the UK, which has 239 00:15:39,540 --> 00:15:45,140 been a leader in climate reforms announced yesterday that there's 240 00:15:45,140 --> 00:15:49,130 no way. To help them fix their economy 241 00:15:49,130 --> 00:15:51,410 and stay on their Paris commitments. 242 00:15:51,770 --> 00:15:54,530 And so they're rolling them way back. 243 00:15:55,210 --> 00:15:59,050 And this is what we have to guard against. 244 00:15:59,490 --> 00:16:05,330 We need to deal with these issues now and the idea that 245 00:16:05,730 --> 00:16:10,490 it's better for the economy to wait until we address this. 246 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,280 Is incredibly short sighted and dangerous. 247 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,560 We you know it just it's not going to work. 248 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,800 It may get his party some more votes, but we're well past the 249 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,160 time where that choice was possible. 250 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,480 You mentioned earlier that you want the audience to understand 251 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,760 that that this is not one depressing story after another. 252 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,920 I mean, yeah, there's hope, which is a necessary thing. 253 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,800 And then there's hopeium. Hopeium, the drug that we try to 254 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,060 give ourselves constantly, it's all going to be okay. 255 00:16:41,140 --> 00:16:43,340 We're going to be fine. Technology will save us. 256 00:16:43,620 --> 00:16:47,860 And and you very honestly throughout this series, remind 257 00:16:47,860 --> 00:16:52,300 people, you know, yes, we need technology but if you're just 258 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:55,740 relying on that, that's going to save the planet. 259 00:16:56,340 --> 00:16:59,180 These are voices from the future in your fiction. 260 00:17:00,500 --> 00:17:02,220 I forgot who said I think it was Picasso. 261 00:17:02,540 --> 00:17:06,380 Whoever said that, you know art. The importance of art is telling 262 00:17:06,380 --> 00:17:08,980 a lie that actually tells the greater truths. 263 00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:14,380 Fiction is not real, and yet it's sometimes is more honest 264 00:17:14,380 --> 00:17:16,700 and more truthful than a documentary. 265 00:17:17,099 --> 00:17:20,780 This is what every episode does, and I think once you roll into 266 00:17:20,780 --> 00:17:26,260 the second episode, Sienna Miller is this scientist who's 267 00:17:26,260 --> 00:17:27,980 trying to find where the whales are. 268 00:17:28,780 --> 00:17:33,120 It's so powerful and so moving, and you tell these little 269 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:37,520 stories, these little personal stories that make this kind of 270 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:42,200 fiction so compelling. Yeah, I mean, episode two was 271 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,920 really, you know, I was in the process of losing my father to 272 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,360 Alzheimer's while I was writing it, and I'm sorry. 273 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:55,400 And so it really became an episode about saying goodbye, 274 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,800 and about how we deal with grief and loss. 275 00:18:01,460 --> 00:18:06,020 And how, how you have to move through that. 276 00:18:06,380 --> 00:18:09,860 And I think that there is a part of climate change that is going 277 00:18:09,860 --> 00:18:13,820 to ask us of that, but the, you know, the the really amazing 278 00:18:13,820 --> 00:18:20,260 opportunity about species loss. And and some of these other 279 00:18:20,260 --> 00:18:24,380 issues my dog is barking in the background because I think it's 280 00:18:24,660 --> 00:18:29,300 it's his favorite episode. It's what we still can choose. 281 00:18:29,300 --> 00:18:33,580 You know, there are very bad versions of the future and there 282 00:18:33,580 --> 00:18:36,300 are less bad versions. And I've been asked before, 283 00:18:36,300 --> 00:18:39,900 well, how did you, how did you take care of yourself while you 284 00:18:39,900 --> 00:18:44,260 were doing this? And I said I I actually never, I 285 00:18:44,260 --> 00:18:48,990 never felt. More alive or engaged than when 286 00:18:48,990 --> 00:18:51,350 I was doing this. These were stories I wanted to 287 00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:53,430 tell and I got to go to work every day. 288 00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:56,390 And I know you've had this experience with people who are 289 00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:58,870 similarly moved. You know, the big issue that 290 00:18:59,390 --> 00:19:03,790 everyone listening will have is what can I do? 291 00:19:04,510 --> 00:19:07,550 And in episode 3, I really tried to answer that. 292 00:19:08,190 --> 00:19:12,390 Davi Diggs plays a Rabbi in an episode with David Schwimmer. 293 00:19:13,020 --> 00:19:18,100 I won't say what Daveed says at the end of that episode, but 294 00:19:18,100 --> 00:19:22,260 that's how I feel. You know, we're we're going to 295 00:19:22,260 --> 00:19:24,900 get through this. We're not all going to die. 296 00:19:25,620 --> 00:19:29,700 But the only way we're going to get through this is by relying 297 00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:33,580 and communicating with each other and making some very 298 00:19:33,580 --> 00:19:38,820 difficult choices. And if we do that, we will, I 299 00:19:38,820 --> 00:19:42,140 think, find out we have muscles that we have not used. 300 00:19:42,740 --> 00:19:46,100 In a very long time. And that will be a beautiful 301 00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:51,100 moment to be alive for. And that was really what episode 302 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:54,180 three was about. It was about how do we ask the 303 00:19:54,180 --> 00:19:56,500 right questions? Because that's where this 304 00:19:56,500 --> 00:20:01,260 starts, is, can you look around at work in your family? 305 00:20:01,260 --> 00:20:04,100 If you're a kid at school? Can you look around and just 306 00:20:04,100 --> 00:20:08,700 start asking questions about why is this thing that is so clearly 307 00:20:08,700 --> 00:20:12,130 wrong? Still the predominant way of 308 00:20:12,130 --> 00:20:16,770 doing things. And in that episode, which is 309 00:20:16,770 --> 00:20:22,330 set in Miami and and by this time again, it's now probably at 310 00:20:22,330 --> 00:20:26,690 least 10 or 15 years beyond where we're at now, the waters 311 00:20:26,690 --> 00:20:31,810 are rising, parts of South Beach are underwater, the rest of 312 00:20:31,810 --> 00:20:36,410 Miami looks like it may soon be. And this what you mentioned this 313 00:20:36,410 --> 00:20:39,110 question. That keeps getting asked 314 00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:42,390 throughout this episode is being asked by a 13 year old. 315 00:20:43,230 --> 00:20:47,430 She wants to know why. Why is this happening? 316 00:20:48,030 --> 00:20:52,630 What is the awful thing that we did to upset God or Mother 317 00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:57,630 Nature or whatever to where we are facing literally being 318 00:20:57,630 --> 00:21:02,630 underwater and to have it come out of the mouth of a 13 year 319 00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:07,150 old and the brain of a 13 year old was so. 320 00:21:07,540 --> 00:21:10,140 Beautifully done. And I would think too, I mean, 321 00:21:10,140 --> 00:21:14,300 young people already today, if you have a tween or a teen, they 322 00:21:14,300 --> 00:21:18,220 are completely aware of the planet that we're handing them, 323 00:21:18,580 --> 00:21:22,020 completely aware they have already had it. 324 00:21:22,020 --> 00:21:25,140 They're already fed up. They're, as you know, many of 325 00:21:25,140 --> 00:21:27,540 them, they're very active politically. 326 00:21:28,180 --> 00:21:30,100 A lot of them are going to be able to vote next year. 327 00:21:30,460 --> 00:21:33,690 You really captured that? And that and giving voice to 328 00:21:33,690 --> 00:21:36,010 that, to this new younger generation. 329 00:21:36,090 --> 00:21:41,490 I owe a debt of gratitude to to my niece in Austin, TX for that. 330 00:21:42,530 --> 00:21:46,530 She has a little bit of that character in her, I hope I did 331 00:21:46,530 --> 00:21:49,610 when I was young. But what you said is exactly 332 00:21:49,610 --> 00:21:53,210 right. You know, pretending that this 333 00:21:53,210 --> 00:21:56,810 doesn't exist and thinking you're doing yourself or your 334 00:21:56,810 --> 00:22:04,710 child a favor by not being clear and direct about what is going 335 00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:09,430 on with the climate, It isn't going to make them them happy. 336 00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:12,550 It's not going to make them like you more. 337 00:22:12,910 --> 00:22:18,790 I know that we're afraid of triggering our kids, but I think 338 00:22:19,030 --> 00:22:22,550 one of the things that we have to teach them is that some of 339 00:22:22,550 --> 00:22:26,790 the things that are happening in the world demand action, demand 340 00:22:26,790 --> 00:22:29,310 our interest and you're not powerless. 341 00:22:29,710 --> 00:22:33,830 The part that's depressing is the part where they believe 342 00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:37,950 they're powerless. It's very easy to teach people 343 00:22:37,950 --> 00:22:42,710 they are not powerless. Young people today make huge 344 00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:45,910 differences. You know, I was at a climate 345 00:22:45,910 --> 00:22:49,910 event the other the other night and there was a young woman 346 00:22:49,910 --> 00:22:54,630 there named Sage Lanier who was so powerful and she confessed to 347 00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:57,590 struggling with climate related sadness. 348 00:22:58,060 --> 00:23:01,300 But man, she's now turned it into a whole curriculum and she 349 00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:06,620 is educating people and she's one of a number of people who I 350 00:23:06,620 --> 00:23:09,740 met who are are making that kind of difference. 351 00:23:09,740 --> 00:23:14,620 So we're not helping anyone by hiding the truth because you 352 00:23:14,620 --> 00:23:17,020 can't. I mean, you know, you walk 353 00:23:17,020 --> 00:23:20,900 outside in New York City this summer and you see the smoke 354 00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:24,340 from these fires and we have to talk about it because here's 355 00:23:24,340 --> 00:23:26,860 what happens if you don't. There are people in the world 356 00:23:27,260 --> 00:23:31,060 who will tell you that there are fewer acres on fire this year, 357 00:23:31,060 --> 00:23:33,740 actually, than other years. And they're right. 358 00:23:34,780 --> 00:23:39,740 But a lot of the acres that are not burning are acres in Africa, 359 00:23:39,740 --> 00:23:43,900 and they're African grasslands that probably burned last year. 360 00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:50,900 And a grassland isn't as good a holder of carbon as a forest. 361 00:23:51,660 --> 00:23:54,660 Now, the acres of forests that have burned this year are like 362 00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:58,480 nothing else we've ever seen. I think the amount of carbon 363 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,920 that was released from the ground and from the trees is 364 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,240 basically more than Canada would make in in about a year. 365 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,520 And so Canada this year doubled its carbon contribution to the 366 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,440 world by Catching Fire, and there's no way to hide that. 367 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,760 You walked outside and and you saw it in the air. 368 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,630 I had people send photos of New York City to me all summer long 369 00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:25,710 saying this looks like an episode of your show. 370 00:24:25,910 --> 00:24:28,750 Yes. On one particular day here in 371 00:24:28,750 --> 00:24:34,510 New York, it got so dark at 2:00 in the afternoon that I looked 372 00:24:34,510 --> 00:24:38,950 out the window and the nighttime lights in New York City came on 373 00:24:39,310 --> 00:24:45,430 at 2:00 in the afternoon. And it was a shocking sight. 374 00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:49,070 And I've always said to people when they like in the can being 375 00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:51,220 from Michigan. We'll get occasionally you'll 376 00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:54,820 get a day in January where it's 70 degrees and everybody's so 377 00:24:54,820 --> 00:24:56,940 happy. And I'm like, what are you happy 378 00:24:56,940 --> 00:24:59,140 about? It's not supposed to be 70 in 379 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:03,420 January, you know, And it's, it's like, and I would say to 380 00:25:03,420 --> 00:25:06,260 people, if the sun suddenly came up at 1:00 in the morning, 2:00 381 00:25:06,260 --> 00:25:08,660 in the morning, would you just be jumping for joy? 382 00:25:08,660 --> 00:25:12,460 Oh, more sunlight, more tan, you know. 383 00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:15,780 No, you would be freaking out. You'd be running. 384 00:25:16,340 --> 00:25:18,900 Down the middle of the street, like your hair was on fire. 385 00:25:19,420 --> 00:25:21,060 Like something something was wrong. 386 00:25:21,060 --> 00:25:24,900 The planet was off its axis and we are all about to die. 387 00:25:25,220 --> 00:25:27,620 Yeah, I I grew up in Minneapolis. 388 00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:32,940 And you know, I, I know that I used to go skiing at these 389 00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:38,380 little ski hills around town. And from what I understand, they 390 00:25:38,380 --> 00:25:41,980 either are making their snow or their seasons getting shorter 391 00:25:41,980 --> 00:25:45,010 and shorter. And it's not just the 392 00:25:45,010 --> 00:25:48,890 inconvenience of no snow. You know, this has a massive 393 00:25:48,890 --> 00:25:55,290 impact on agriculture on insects which lead to disease, which is 394 00:25:55,290 --> 00:26:00,410 a whole other thing. So the impacts of changing the 395 00:26:00,410 --> 00:26:06,730 climate that we built the world around over hundreds of years is 396 00:26:06,730 --> 00:26:10,650 not a small thing. And you know, we really need to 397 00:26:10,890 --> 00:26:15,060 to check ourselves and change path rapidly. 398 00:26:15,340 --> 00:26:19,660 You mentioned or I mentioned it earlier in the episode with 399 00:26:19,660 --> 00:26:23,940 Forest Whitaker and Marion Cotillard and he's been kind of 400 00:26:23,940 --> 00:26:26,620 a, I guess an inventor most of his life. 401 00:26:27,340 --> 00:26:30,460 There was this great moment where she, she's his wife, 402 00:26:30,460 --> 00:26:35,260 Marion Cotillard and she's just so disappointed with who she 403 00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:37,060 sees this person. They've essentially been a 404 00:26:37,060 --> 00:26:41,100 failure by this point. It's it's a New Year's Eve in 405 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:46,040 the year who? 20 What Is it Scott 205020602068 406 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,560 or 2060? Yeah. 407 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,040 And so they're in San Francisco and they're trying to have a 408 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,080 little New Year's Eve party. And he's so hopeful that the 409 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,920 next thing is going to save him, is going to take him somewhere 410 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,360 else. And then she reminds him, yeah, 411 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:04,480 Do you remember when you told us we just need to get solar panels 412 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,600 everywhere? And now there's so much smoke in 413 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,200 the air from all these continuing fires. 414 00:27:11,710 --> 00:27:16,110 But the sun doesn't even make it through the smoke enough to get 415 00:27:16,110 --> 00:27:17,990 to the panel. Like that day when it was 2:00 416 00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:22,630 PM in New York City and it was dark, no sun hit any solar panel 417 00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:26,310 in New York City on that day. And I thought, wow, am I just 418 00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:28,790 getting a snippet of the. And I had already just watched 419 00:27:28,790 --> 00:27:34,630 your episode and I'm thinking, this is this isn't 2068, this 420 00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:36,710 is, this is actually going on right now. 421 00:27:36,790 --> 00:27:41,110 Which means one of my takeaways from your series is. 422 00:27:41,490 --> 00:27:45,610 Well, maybe there is still time to fix this, to stop it, to do 423 00:27:45,610 --> 00:27:47,970 something different. But and then and then she says 424 00:27:47,970 --> 00:27:50,690 and the windmills, all the windmills up and down the coast, 425 00:27:51,050 --> 00:27:54,250 hardly moving because the the way the smoke and the whole 426 00:27:54,250 --> 00:27:59,130 atmosphere has changed, the wind isn't what it was 50 or 100 427 00:27:59,130 --> 00:28:01,570 years ago. And now we've got all these 428 00:28:01,570 --> 00:28:06,930 windmills just sitting there. Wow, to hear that, especially at 429 00:28:06,930 --> 00:28:09,450 a time when that's all we we got it. 430 00:28:09,450 --> 00:28:11,170 We need more windmills. We need more solar panels. 431 00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:15,100 And you know as I've said that we should have been saying that 432 00:28:15,380 --> 00:28:18,260 when Jimmy Carter put the solar solar panels on the White House 433 00:28:18,260 --> 00:28:22,180 roof and we would have had 50 years down the road but now 434 00:28:22,380 --> 00:28:23,700 lost. That's gone. 435 00:28:23,820 --> 00:28:25,940 OK, can't get it back. What do we do? 436 00:28:26,420 --> 00:28:29,380 Tell me just the thought process of even allowing the that 437 00:28:29,380 --> 00:28:33,740 thought to be expressed because I were I don't you know 438 00:28:33,740 --> 00:28:36,580 obviously we don't want people to take it like oh all hope is 439 00:28:36,580 --> 00:28:38,060 lost. Why are we even bothering? 440 00:28:39,150 --> 00:28:44,550 But it's it's quite a a voice from the near future telling us 441 00:28:44,910 --> 00:28:50,470 if we don't get it to together now, now, not even now, 442 00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:54,870 yesterday, we are going to be doomed on some level. 443 00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:58,530 The planet has plans for us because we're the killers. 444 00:28:58,530 --> 00:29:01,530 Yeah, So it has its own law enforcement, Mother Nature, 445 00:29:01,890 --> 00:29:03,610 believe me, the planet's going to live. 446 00:29:03,610 --> 00:29:04,890 Yeah. The planet is going to be some 447 00:29:04,890 --> 00:29:06,690 kind of a rock somewhere doing something. 448 00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:08,490 We are the ones that aren't going to be here. 449 00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:13,170 Yeah. My feeling is no, I I agree with 450 00:29:13,170 --> 00:29:15,930 with what you just said. You know there are there are 451 00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:20,610 complicated stories around climate that we need to, to 452 00:29:20,610 --> 00:29:24,120 prepare ourselves for. You're right, the planet, the 453 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,920 planet will be here. The the question is will we be 454 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,520 going around and around on it? And then beyond that, I think 455 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,880 the biggest question is how will that feel, you know, and our 456 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:42,760 show gets into you know gets into that in the episode you 457 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,280 just mentioned, what is life like for Marion and Forrest? 458 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,640 What passes for fun, what passes for food. 459 00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:56,890 And so for sure, part of the show is a cautionary tale, the 460 00:29:56,890 --> 00:29:59,410 finale. And again, I'm not going to give 461 00:29:59,410 --> 00:30:03,050 away too much. There is a kind of 462 00:30:03,050 --> 00:30:07,930 reconciliation that occurs where we come to terms with the fact 463 00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:13,170 that we've been doing this and we have known better. 464 00:30:13,330 --> 00:30:17,210 You know, there there's so much information that's come out in 465 00:30:17,210 --> 00:30:20,840 the last couple of years about the fact that oil companies knew 466 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,440 what they were doing as far back as the late 50s. 467 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:30,160 And they have actively pursued a misinformation campaign that is 468 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,600 very similar to the tobacco companies. 469 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,000 In fact, there's some evidence that says that's where they 470 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,600 learned it. And so, you know, they've known 471 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:46,080 that this was the cost of doing their business and they cashed 472 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,520 us all in. And so that needs to really 473 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,970 stop. And one of the ways that those 474 00:30:51,970 --> 00:30:57,370 things stop is accountability, which is a thing that I really 475 00:30:57,370 --> 00:31:00,730 believe in. And the finale of our show was 476 00:31:00,730 --> 00:31:04,730 informed by a movie called Trials of Nuremberg, where the 477 00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:07,810 people who perpetrated the crimes against humanity in World 478 00:31:07,810 --> 00:31:12,170 War 2 are held to account. And the way that I got into it 479 00:31:12,170 --> 00:31:17,170 was I found an old article written by law professor I think 480 00:31:17,170 --> 00:31:23,090 in 1972 at at either U at USC. I'm pretty sure that deals with 481 00:31:23,090 --> 00:31:27,050 the rights of a tree. And this is not new. 482 00:31:27,370 --> 00:31:31,530 There really is a thing called eco side and it really is a 483 00:31:31,530 --> 00:31:36,930 crime against humanity and we need to stop scoffing at it and 484 00:31:36,930 --> 00:31:44,740 start deciding that that's a thing that we can all stop but 485 00:31:44,740 --> 00:31:48,340 we all have to do it. And said that was sort of, you 486 00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:51,780 know, I think I gave away a lot of the ending, but you'll be 487 00:31:51,780 --> 00:31:54,860 interested to watch how, especially if you're a film fan 488 00:31:54,860 --> 00:31:59,340 and know know the Trials at Nurburg about how that plays out 489 00:31:59,340 --> 00:32:01,660 in our show. No, it's very powerful. 490 00:32:01,660 --> 00:32:05,900 No, you didn't give it away, but this issue of accountability is 491 00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:09,900 very present in this series and conscience. 492 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,920 Knowing right from wrong all of this, it's so powerful and it's 493 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,680 so moving. I've I've watched the series 494 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,680 twice now and I've told people on this podcast that I actually 495 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,280 went back and watched the Miami episode a third time. 496 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,640 I wanted to see if I could watch this episode and not cry. 497 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,880 And I I couldn't pull it off. And I found myself after 498 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,200 watching this series through a couple of times. 499 00:32:39,490 --> 00:32:43,290 I found myself not only even more committed to figuring out 500 00:32:43,290 --> 00:32:45,130 what I could do personally, but what can I do? 501 00:32:45,450 --> 00:32:47,370 The greater thing that has to happen to all of us 502 00:32:47,370 --> 00:32:49,450 collectively. And how can we do that? 503 00:32:49,570 --> 00:32:51,090 Could start in your apartment building. 504 00:32:51,290 --> 00:32:53,330 Could start on your block because, you know you could 505 00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:55,810 start anywhere. It doesn't have to be just you 506 00:32:55,810 --> 00:32:58,170 or just me. And there's a whole host of 507 00:32:58,170 --> 00:33:01,330 things that have to happen. But if we are, if we can't stay 508 00:33:01,330 --> 00:33:06,130 stuck on, oh, somebody's going to fix this later or technology 509 00:33:06,130 --> 00:33:09,490 will save us or in the. The one episode, the president 510 00:33:09,490 --> 00:33:13,130 of the United States is congratulating people for 511 00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:16,810 planting another thousand trees, but it's already in the twenty 512 00:33:16,930 --> 00:33:21,170 50s or 60s at that point. And you and you know enough by 513 00:33:21,170 --> 00:33:24,570 watching your show, you're saying, well, that's a good 514 00:33:24,570 --> 00:33:26,410 thing to do, That's a nice thing to do. 515 00:33:26,810 --> 00:33:32,170 But really they're still going to be doing that when if we 516 00:33:32,170 --> 00:33:34,210 don't have this figured out by 2060. 517 00:33:34,810 --> 00:33:36,650 Holy smokes. And it really. 518 00:33:36,690 --> 00:33:38,610 And it's like, but you did it so beautifully. 519 00:33:38,610 --> 00:33:41,450 You weren't making fun of people planting trees. 520 00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:44,210 You were like that. Yes, this of course has always 521 00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:45,450 been what we should have been doing. 522 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:51,650 And yes, in 2060 it's too late. So what's the plan, Stan? 523 00:33:51,770 --> 00:33:56,650 Yeah, it's really exhilarating filmmaking passing in the form 524 00:33:56,650 --> 00:33:59,130 of a a series on the streaming television. 525 00:33:59,410 --> 00:34:01,710 But it's way. Way beyond that. 526 00:34:02,110 --> 00:34:06,190 I thank you for for making this. I thank you for coming on my 527 00:34:06,190 --> 00:34:08,830 podcast. You probably can't talk about 528 00:34:08,830 --> 00:34:12,030 what you what you're doing next. If I were you, I wouldn't. 529 00:34:12,030 --> 00:34:16,790 Nope. But because, Scott, you and I 530 00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:19,150 both know they must not see us coming. 531 00:34:19,590 --> 00:34:22,230 Yeah, exactly. I I am writing a play because 532 00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:25,630 I'm allowed to do that during the Guild, All right? 533 00:34:25,630 --> 00:34:28,510 And I don't know if you even know this, but the last play I 534 00:34:28,510 --> 00:34:31,860 wrote was called The Library, which was about a school 535 00:34:31,860 --> 00:34:37,780 shooting. And I have you and and bowling 536 00:34:37,780 --> 00:34:43,300 for Columbine and a few other really important people in my 537 00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:46,219 life to thank for that. Well well thank you for saying 538 00:34:46,219 --> 00:34:49,900 that and and I I already, I don't know what I'm going to do 539 00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:54,620 with this but extrapolations is going to there's going to be 540 00:34:54,620 --> 00:34:57,340 somewhat of a it might be a crooked line but it's going to 541 00:34:57,340 --> 00:35:00,350 be a straight line I think. To one of the next things that I 542 00:35:00,350 --> 00:35:03,590 do regarding this particular issue and the larger 543 00:35:03,590 --> 00:35:07,990 ramifications of how we can survive, how it's not all 544 00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:12,670 hopeless yet and you've given me that that sense of inspiration 545 00:35:12,670 --> 00:35:15,910 to do something with that. So thank you for that. 546 00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:20,430 Just keep doing more of this. It's much much appreciated by 547 00:35:20,430 --> 00:35:23,190 people who care about what's going on and who also would like 548 00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:25,750 to take a good 45 minutes to an hour and. 549 00:35:26,170 --> 00:35:30,610 And sit down and watch something that, dare I say, is hugely 550 00:35:30,610 --> 00:35:36,130 entertaining in the sense that that why do we love the movies? 551 00:35:36,370 --> 00:35:38,850 Sometimes you laugh and sometimes you cry and sometimes 552 00:35:38,850 --> 00:35:42,370 you get mad and sometimes it makes you think whatever it 553 00:35:42,370 --> 00:35:45,170 does. And if it has you doing that 24 554 00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:48,650 hours later, then you and I have succeeded in what we're trying 555 00:35:48,650 --> 00:35:51,410 to do here. And I I encourage everybody to 556 00:35:51,490 --> 00:35:55,010 take this opportunity to watch. This eight episode series called 557 00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:59,330 Extrapolations by the great Scott Burns here, who's been our 558 00:35:59,330 --> 00:36:02,930 guest on Rumble today. Any final words, Scott, before 559 00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:06,290 we go, It's all yours. I will keep doing what I'm doing 560 00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:10,450 if if, if you do the same. And thank you again so much for 561 00:36:10,450 --> 00:36:12,370 having me. This has been a pleasure. 562 00:36:12,690 --> 00:36:15,410 I will continue to do that. Thank you so much. 563 00:36:15,490 --> 00:36:17,650 Scott Burns. Thanks to all of you who 564 00:36:17,650 --> 00:36:21,050 listened to this today. It's extrapolations. 565 00:36:21,050 --> 00:36:23,720 It's on Apple TV plus. Watch it. 566 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,720 Thank you very much, Scott, and thanks to all of you who are 567 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:29,920 listening to this today. I'm Michael Moore. 568 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,440 This is Rumble, and we'll see you next time.