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Hello, everyone. 
This is Rumble with Michael 

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Moore and I am Michael Moore. 
So, glad to have you all here 

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with me today. 
It's or in February now, so I 

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don't know what that means. 
Exactly. 

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Except It is Black History 
Month. 

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That's a good thing. 
It's the Lunar New Year and it's

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the shortest month of the year. 
So welcome everyone. 

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On today's episode I'm going to 
have with me. 

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The people that put together the
annual project censored list of 

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the 25, most censored stories of
the Year. 

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This is an incredible 
organization. 

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They've been doing this since 
1976 where each year. 

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They put out the stories that 
just didn't get the coverage 

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exposure to the general public 
that they should have received 

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and they didn't receive it in 
large part because our corporate

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media has sometimes a different 
agenda than the one that you and

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I have. 
So today on today's episode, 

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we're going to hear the stories 
that no, they didn't want you to

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hear so much this year so stay 
tuned for this. 

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I'm looking forward to it. 
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So our guests today are Mickey 

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huff and Andy Lee Roth. 
No relation I believe that David

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Lee Roth but we'll get into that
later. 

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Mickey is the director of 
project censored an organization

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that I've admired literally for 
decades and he has brought with 

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him his associate director. 
That would be of course, Andy 

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Lee Roth. 
And I used to publish this, 

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let's an annual list of what 
this group puts together, what 

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they called the the most 
censored stories. 

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He's of the year and censored 
meaning, there are corporate 

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media for the most part has that
adequately covered these 

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particular stories. 
I mean, you may have heard about

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them or some little piece of it 
and then it just dies and it 

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goes away. 
But the purpose of project 

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censored is to is to put it 
right out there and I thought 

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it'd be great to have them on 
Rumble today so that they can 

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tell us some of their favorite. 
I'm going to ask them a few not 

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so much my favorite. 
So, the weird thing, my family, 

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my favorite censored story know.
My favorite hurricane was Tom. 

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It's huh. 
This is such vital work that 

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they do and it's been going on 
since Carl Johnson, founded 

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project censored it, Sonoma 
State University in California, 

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back in the mid-70s 1976 I 
believe. 

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And so, in my paper, in the 
Flint voice, starting in the 

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late 70s, early 80s each year. 
I would run this list Of the 

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most censored stories. 
And so, I'm so honored to have 

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them here on my podcast. 
They, they're also the 

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co-authors of the state of the 
Free Press 2022. 

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Well, let's just bring them on 
right now because I want to jump

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right into this. 
I want to talk about the stories

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that were not being told about 
and and the great work that 

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project censored is done on 
these particular service. 

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So welcome to rumble Mickey and 
Andy. 

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Thanks for having us Mike Yeah, 
thank you. 

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Michael just to clarify as 
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in Southern California, in the 
early 80s, I used every 

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opportunity. 
I had to try to convince people 

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that David Lee Roth was my 
uncle, but since I had thick 

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coke bottle, glasses, and 
braces, no one really believed 

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that I was partying with him on 
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Nobody bought it nobody. 
Well, well, that's okay. 

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I'm proud to know the Andy Lee 
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And so thank you for your work 
with project censored and Mickey

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Huff, you're the director of 
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Each sensor, I just want to jump
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going to also have a little bit 
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know, what's happened to our 
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But let's lay actually before we
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just explain to people what we 
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will say and they'll say this to
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things like this and they'll 
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United States. 
We don't have censorship. 

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We don't have government 
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always point out. 
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information that decides what a 
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And then I say, well, I 
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censorship is even more 
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government censorship. 
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public to know about it. 
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with corporations, who own our 
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to be. 
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want to say one's worse than the
other but It's a dangerous 

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situation that I think we've 
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we're all the worse off because 
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Give me your feelings about all 
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Yeah, I would say, you know, 
when we say that an item on our 

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top, 25 story list has been 
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We're not claiming that it's 
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repressed, by the government or 
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institution of political party, 
big business organized crime, 

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whatever. 
What we're saying is that those 

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storms He's haven't received 
coverage commensurate to their 

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social significance and you can 
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stories and see. 
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the corporate coverage has 
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perspectives. 
You can see stories where, yes, 

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the New York Times ran an 
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framed it, as a matter of 
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Discordant news is often gets 
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in the corporate media. 
We also find stories on our top 

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25 list every year. 
Where there has been maybe one 

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very high quality article or 
story on that topic but it's 

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isolated coverage which means 
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about it. 
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stories that I think people are 
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When they see the word censored,
the stories and the topics that 

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have simply been blockaded, 
where there's been no coverage 

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whatsoever by the corporate news
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We're talking about today from 
this year's top, 25 list will, 

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you know, kind of point to them 
in these ways, as we move 

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forward, during this discussion 
that you as examples of these 

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different ways in which news is 
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So that what we receive is a 
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what's actually out there and 
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project censored. 
We don't talk about the 

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mainstream media following the 
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The direction of Peter Phillips,
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number of years. 
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to refer to the corporate news 
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and this will, I think resonate 
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as defined by the corporate 
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interests of mainstream 
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It doesn't speak to their needs.
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and corporate needs. 
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about distinguishing the 
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of the stories that make up our 
top 25 lists every year, and the

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corporate coverage that the top 
25 list exposes the 

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shortcomings, the pitfalls, the 
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If you will, well, let's just 
jump right into the top 25, most

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censored stories of the past 
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your list. 
I, sorry, I looked at this and I

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read the first words and I 
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Yeah, it's a option drug costs. 
Those are the first three words 

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and think yeah. 
This is going to be about all 

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this is, you know, the situation
in this country and how people 

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are being ripped off. 
And you have to drive to Canada 

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if you want to get the same 
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what. 
This story is, read the headline

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for this is your headline 
prescription drug costs are set 

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to become a leading cause of 
death for elderly Americans. 

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What, who wants to take that? 
Who's the first first up here? 

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But You this is Mickey here, you
heard that right? 

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And the the definitions of 
censorship that Andy laid out, I

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think are really important and 
the reference to corporate media

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is significant because here we 
see, you know, one of the 

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biggest corporate Behemoth sin 
in the world, just certain 

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you'll get the US would be big 
Pharma prescription drug costs 

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set to become the leading cause 
of death for elderly Americans. 

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You said, this is based, this 
story was in common dreams, it 

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was researched by the former 
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It's at Sonoma State so they're 
still involvement there with 

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their many other colleges. 
This is actually based on a West

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Health policy, Center study. 
This is from 2022 in a nutshell.

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Michael, what it's saying is 
that, you know, as peep as we 

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all get older, as the society 
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people gets older and people 
need more and more prescription 

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drugs. 
The cost the rise of those drugs

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and the lack of people's ability
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going to lead to people making 
choices that will Lead to them 

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getting shorter lives. 
I mean, quite frankly, that's, 

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that's pretty specifically where
this story is heading. 

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I'll just add some detailed, but
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found that what they call Cost 
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In other words, the inability to
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because you can't afford, it 
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older elderly Americans are not 
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in what ways while Rich in money
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crazy cost of the prescriptions 
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thus, they're not taking them. 
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Universal Health Care in this 
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inequality, dot-org, reported, 
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economic inequality. 
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you incur how do you encourage 
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them to get the word out. 
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don't bite the hand that feeds. 
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become more critically, media 
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diets, as it were, and to really
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media sources that we've long 
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Let me go to number 2 here. 
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This one reads, the headline is 
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investigate Financial crimes are
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Elites explain that? 
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That's really goes to when I 
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are blockaded, this is a story 
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corporate media, and it's about 
how Financial crime, stories are

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difficult to impossible to 
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intimidation. 
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looking into Financial crimes. 
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on reporting about corruption 
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Roblox of of corporate honchos 
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convey the extraordinary 
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having their credentials either 
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forms of blacklisting. 
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how the UK has become kind of a 
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democratic world because of the 
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Yeah. 
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censorship, right? 
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Well and that how what what form
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have the First Amendment, right?
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protection of freedom of the 
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It can't can't. 
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right? 
Which is one form of censorship.

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But by but not the only form and
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others. 
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Michael, the idea that the 
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threat to press freedoms as the 
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exactly on point. 
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some sense provides the 
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checks on the power of 
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freedoms but the Constitution 
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don't provide us any firm 
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corporate power and the ability 
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journalists Its ability to 
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crucial problem. 
I've written some about what I 

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call the new gatekeeping, which 
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intelligence gatekeeping of the 
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receive when we're relying on 
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Facebook, Twitter, and others 
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directly from news organizations
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introduce, those social media 
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We're into perilous ground in 
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sourcing and of course as 
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misinformation and 
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wide. 
My could jump in there just add 

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quickly. 
This is what what's called 

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censorship by proxy, right? 
It's so it's not the first 

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amendment. 
Doesn't doesn't get the pail 

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Spotify to do. 
They don't get to say what 

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alphabet, Google Facebook, 
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problematic is that if you go 
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this is all through the defense 
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Department of Defense, it goes 
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Department's defense, Advanced 
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the money's, the Innovations, 
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Drones, this is all stuff that 
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And so all these companies then 
later, you know, turn They come 

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out of nowhere, go private. 
They're benefiting from all of 

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this research, from all of this 
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breaks. 
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of Arbiters of the public 
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That's been completely encircled
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If you will like regulatory 
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We've seen these major big tech 
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Square and that's extremely 
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And that's why we really need to
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corporate big Tech censorship. 
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Absolutely, let me, I'm just 
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Canary Mission, they're in the 
business of blacklisting 

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pro-palestinian activists and 
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Free Speech rights. 
What is that about? 

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They basically, they work 
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sanctions movement. 
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pro-palestinian activists. 
So what they try, Do is apply 

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pressure to either boycott. 
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doing business, with the country
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companies because of the Israeli
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Palestine. 
Which by the way, Amnesty 

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that Israel is, in fact, an 
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Africa, about the way they treat
Palestinians, and there are 

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groups Zionist groups, and 
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that aren't Thrilled about 
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this serious power imbalance in 
the Middle East and Canary 

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00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,200
Mission basically creates 
blacklists. 

457
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,900
And they, it's sort of, you 
know, it's kind of a Neo 

458
00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:09,100
McCarthy 8, kind of which 
anything that labels people as 

459
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:12,900
being anti-semitic for 
criticizing Israel and they then

460
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:17,000
Mount counter type campaigns to 
get people fired, have them 

461
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,000
silenced, and these types of 
things, this affects people's 

462
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,900
employment immigration. 
Status freedom to travel, Etc. 

463
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:27,200
So, there's there's a lot of 
groups like this, but do give me

464
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:33,800
an example of of an activist or 
a professor, or someone who, who

465
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,000
this group has gone after, in 
order to harm them. 

466
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:41,400
Stop them from speaking up for 
the Palestinian people, I think 

467
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,400
Peter Phillips is listed on the 
canary Mission website as a 

468
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,700
dangerous faculty person. 
Peter Phillips, the former 

469
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:52,400
director of project censored but
a lot of these People aren't a 

470
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,800
lot of these people, Michael 
aren't big names. 

471
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,400
They're under otherwise, unknown
activists and part of the part 

472
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,100
of the reporting on this story. 
From The Intercept would who did

473
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:06,100
interviews with a number of 
people, number of students. 

474
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:08,300
So these are undergraduate 
college students who have been 

475
00:29:08,308 --> 00:29:12,400
targeted by Karen area mission 
for basically saying they'd like

476
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,200
Israel to obey international law
and respect Palestinians human 

477
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,300
rights. 
The interviews with these people

478
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:23,100
are sobering in terms of the 
power of As the group many of 

479
00:29:23,108 --> 00:29:26,900
them wouldn't asked not to be 
named by name because they, 

480
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:31,100
feared retribution, if they 
spoke publicly to The Intercept 

481
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:35,200
about how they had been affected
by the canary Mission Blacklist,

482
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,200
but one of them's, one of them 
told the intercept. 

483
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,000
The first thing that comes up 
when you Google my name is that 

484
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,000
I'm listed on Canary Mission the
claim that I'm a terrorist 

485
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,600
supporter and extremists. 
And and as Mickey said, like 

486
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,900
this has right? 
And when that's the First thing 

487
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:55,500
that comes up on your Google 
list that's probably is going to

488
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:59,900
cause real trouble for you in 
terms of finding a job your as 

489
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:02,900
your freedom to travel and so 
forth and so on. 

490
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:07,100
And we know we know, from prior 
reports by The Intercept and 

491
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:11,700
others that these black lists 
are being used by both us and 

492
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:16,500
Israeli government agencies. 
Both organizations have used 

493
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:20,000
information from Canary mission.
In order to question 

494
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,000
pro-palestinian Student 
activists and I want to add 

495
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,300
Michael just very quickly. 
If you go to the front page of 

496
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:30,100
project, censored dot-org, 
Michigan are coolest. 

497
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:31,900
Just wrote an article about a 
Cal State Poly. 

498
00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:34,200
Pomona Professor accused of 
anti-Semitism. 

499
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:36,800
This hasn't been directly linked
to Canary Mission. 

500
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,200
But this is a really riveting 
story about a student 

501
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,100
complained. 
That was seems to be 

502
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:45,500
manufactured with no evidence 
that got through the 

503
00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:50,400
administration, and they're now 
using this information against a

504
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,700
lecturer. 
Right. 

505
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:54,800
Go against the adjuncts, the 
least protected of people in 

506
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,300
higher education. 
And they're, you know, they're 

507
00:30:57,300 --> 00:30:59,700
basically creating a file on 
this faculty member. 

508
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,400
She doesn't believe that she's 
even going to be invited back to

509
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,900
teach their these K. 
You'll find these cases all over

510
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:09,600
the United States and they're 
rarely reported by the corporate

511
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,500
media. 
And if they are, like, the 

512
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:14,700
high-profile cases, like, 
Norman, Finkelstein or others, 

513
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:19,200
or Steven salaita from several 
years ago, the corporate media 

514
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,400
buyer bias is pretty 
extraordinary. 

515
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,200
Because they don't really look 
at the legitimate historical 

516
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,900
apartheid like political 
criticism of the state of Israel

517
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:31,600
and they always conflate 
criticism of Israel with 

518
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,300
anti-Semitism. 
That's a coat corporate media 

519
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:37,200
Trope and it basically comes 
right out of the Playbook of 

520
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,100
canary Mission. 
Wow, this is very disturbing to 

521
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:43,700
hear this. 
That this is, this happens to 

522
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:46,900
just the, an average student who
shows up participates in 

523
00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:49,000
something to stand up for the 
rights of the Palestinian 

524
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,900
people. 
And the idea is to Share them to

525
00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:54,300
think that they're going to make
sure that they're haunted by 

526
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:59,400
this political activism, you 
know long after they get out of 

527
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,500
college, it's it's true, you 
know, let's be serious like 

528
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:07,100
criticizing the state of Israel 
doesn't need to be anti-semitic.

529
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:11,000
That doesn't mean that there 
aren't anti-semitic people and 

530
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,700
groups but let's not conflate 
them right. 

531
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:16,900
You know, we all need to call 
out racist groups and 

532
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:20,700
anti-Semitism when we see it but
legitimate criticism of 

533
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:23,600
Palestine, the Taught divestment
sanctions movement. 

534
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,900
The many scholars that we've 
worked with over the years, 

535
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:28,300
including Peter Phillips, our 
former director. 

536
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:31,500
They are not anti-semitic and 
that is a smear tactic used to 

537
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:36,600
silence people, so be DS stands 
for boycott, divestment, and 

538
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,700
sanctions. 
And using other words, using 

539
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:44,400
these three methods, non-violent
political methods to get. 

540
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:50,100
In this case, a country to stop 
apartheid Behavior against 

541
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,600
people. 
Who live on that land and have 

542
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,100
very few if any rights that is 
correct. 

543
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:59,200
It's basically one of the 
world's largest outdoor prisons.

544
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:04,700
I have been there and I have 
seen it and it's one of the most

545
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:11,700
disturbing things I've seen 
probably in my lifetime and so 

546
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:15,300
thank you for pointing this out.
I think this is very important. 

547
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,700
Okay, let's go to the next one. 
I have here on my list from your

548
00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:21,900
list of tap censored. 
Worries. 

549
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:28,900
Police use dogs as instruments 
of violence targeting people of 

550
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,500
color. 
Now, I read this and I said, oh,

551
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:34,800
I must have an old project 
censored list from the incident 

552
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,600
62 and I'm like, no way. 
This is. 

553
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:43,900
Wait a minute, this is 2022. 
I was just stunned to see that. 

554
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:47,500
It still was a ranking at. 
Number 9, on the project 

555
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:50,600
censored list police used dogs 
as instruments of violence 

556
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,800
targeting. 
The people of color. 

557
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:55,900
Pray. 
Tell, what do you mean? 

558
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,700
So we know, right? 
You don't have to dig deep in 

559
00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:02,400
American history, to know 
there's a highly charged history

560
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,100
of police dogs in the United 
States, especially in the 

561
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:08,500
Southern United States where 
they were used against first 

562
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:11,600
enslaved. 
People and then in the 1960s 

563
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:17,400
against civil rights protesters,
but this is a 2021 2022 story 

564
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:22,199
here. 
The story is brought Us by The 

565
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:27,100
Marshall Project in 
collaboration, with a number of 

566
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:33,000
other investigative independent 
investigative Outlets. 

567
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:37,600
It lays bare mounting evidence 
of the extensive and 

568
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,900
disproportionate deployment of 
police dogs against people of 

569
00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:48,000
color. 3,600 Americans are sent 
each year to the emergency room 

570
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,199
for severe bite injuries 
sustained during an altercation 

571
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:56,300
with Police canines and a 
disproportionate number of them 

572
00:34:56,500 --> 00:35:00,900
are young. 
Black men, the, you know, when 

573
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:04,200
people think about a dog bite, 
you know, we think about like a 

574
00:35:04,207 --> 00:35:08,400
nip from the family pet but it's
important to understand as the 

575
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,300
Marshall reports. 
These 13 linked reports from The

576
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:17,700
Marshall Project made clear as 
medical researchers document. 

577
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:21,300
When you're bitten by a police 
dog, the police dogs are at 

578
00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:25,000
Range to bite aggressively and 
we're talking about something 

579
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,100
that's more like a small shark 
than kind of little Fido sitting

580
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:33,800
on the living room couch. 
So, is this because do we just 

581
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,400
have an abundance of racist dogs
in this country? 

582
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:42,700
How I don't, I don't understand 
what, why, why dogs in this 

583
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:49,200
country are viciously going 
after people of color, part of 

584
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,300
it is because use of force 
policies. 

585
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,100
Police departments across the 
country, give police officers 

586
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:59,600
working with, you know, K9 
officers are given 

587
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:04,800
nonspecifically way to release 
the dogs based on their 

588
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,800
subjective assessment of the 
severity of a crime. 

589
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:09,500
What about? 
So you're saying, it's not the 

590
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,900
actual dogs, the dogs just don't
go. 

591
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:14,500
Oh, there's a, there's a black 
kid. 

592
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:18,800
I'm gonna go bite that kid. 
You're saying that the dog is 

593
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,900
being trained to do the race. 
Is that aren't racist aren't 

594
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:26,400
born, they're they're groomed or
taught, right? 

595
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:31,100
And and our dogs ever born 
racist, not that I knew, so it's

596
00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:33,300
not the dog. 
Let's just get this clear. 

597
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,800
I don't want to get, I don't 
want to get mail from dog. 

598
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,500
Lovers that were saying that 
dogs are vicious lie, through 

599
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:45,300
their own racism, going after 
people of color this, they're 

600
00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:48,900
being trained by the local 
police to do this, and then it's

601
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:54,300
the police to humans that sick. 
The dog right on the human of 

602
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:55,600
color. 
Is this correct? 

603
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:59,500
It's a human police officer. 
Who decided that Joseph Malott a

604
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:05,600
22 year. 
Old black student was creating a

605
00:37:05,607 --> 00:37:09,500
danger at a black lives matter 
protest in California, in June 

606
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:13,700
2020, when he kicked a tear gas,
canister away from himself. 

607
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:18,100
And a police officer, saw the 
kicking of the tear gas canister

608
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:23,600
as an aggressive act and that 
led To Malott being one of these

609
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,000
approximately 3,600 Americans 
who had to go to the ER, because

610
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,700
a police K-9, dog had severely 
bit him, right? 

611
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:34,600
So it was the Judgment of the 
officer. 

612
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,800
In that case, who said kicking a
tear gas canister. 

613
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,200
As a dangerous act, we're going 
to let the dog loose and 

614
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,800
Michael, this is another 
opportunity to bring up how this

615
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,200
story is covered and or censored
and a know it did get some 

616
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,300
corporate media coverage as We 
write about in the story, you 

617
00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:57,900
know what, NBC USA Today, they 
cited The Marshall Project. 

618
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,100
But other than that the only 
other coverage you see, right? 

619
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:05,400
That's like a one-off is 
limited, the local news outlets 

620
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,100
and that's one of the big 
problems that that our media 

621
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:11,500
system fails to do is that there
may be something really 

622
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:14,300
important happening in town, a, 
and another important thing in 

623
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:18,100
town be, but the job of the 
media and job of Journalism is 

624
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:19,600
the connect, the dots and is 
George cell. 

625
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,000
D said, tell the public, what's 
really Going on. 

626
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,500
So if you don't have an 
organization like The Marshall 

627
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:28,200
Project, connecting the dots and
saying, this isn't a one-off or 

628
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,200
a to off. 
This is something that's 

629
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,300
happening systemically or 
systematically across the 

630
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:35,400
country in many ways. 
And we're not being told about 

631
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,100
it. 
And in fact, you know, The 

632
00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:42,000
Marshall Project study mauled, 
when police dogs are weapons was

633
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,900
selected for a finalist for a 
Harvard centers Goldsmith. 

634
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:46,700
Prize for investigative 
reporting. 

635
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:50,300
This is serious reporting. 
That should be on the front page

636
00:38:50,500 --> 00:38:53,200
of the New York. 
Well, especially because people 

637
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,100
are concerned about abuse of 
animals and I can't think maybe 

638
00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:02,000
I mean there are worse abuses. 
I guess that in terms of people 

639
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,600
who like to put their cigarettes
out on a dog skin, I mean, I 

640
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,700
just saw a story about this but 
but, but to train a dog to go 

641
00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:17,500
after a human being simply 
because of the racial makeup of 

642
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:22,600
the human being that that's this
is Form of animal abuse. 

643
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:27,800
I mean, on one level, on the, on
the other level though it's, 

644
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:31,200
it's absolutely disgusting that 
in 2022. 

645
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,500
I have to read a headline like 
this, because I grew up with 

646
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:41,300
this in the 60s and it that kind
of behavior by the police, 

647
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:45,200
frankly, in the 60s, when they 
sic the dogs on John Lewis and 

648
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:51,700
others Selma Etc, that that, 
that turned much not Not the 

649
00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:54,700
majority at that time. 
But much of White America around

650
00:39:54,900 --> 00:40:00,800
and in favor of civil rights 
because the images were so 

651
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,200
horrific and, and no matter 
whatever amount of racism, you 

652
00:40:06,207 --> 00:40:08,900
had inside yourself. 
That was a bridge too far for 

653
00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:12,800
some way, people to handle. 
So, I'm glad it's on, on this 

654
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,000
list. 
I think, I think it's puzzling 

655
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,400
with this story that, you know, 
in a time period when there is 

656
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,600
quite a bit of corporate news 
coverage about Police use of 

657
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,100
force, right? 
Even even you know, fatal use of

658
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:29,500
force. 
The corporate news. 

659
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:33,500
Media is Mickey's, noted had 
simply have not picked up on 

660
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:37,300
this story about police dogs as 
instruments of violence. 

661
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,900
That's a Puzzler, right? 
It would seem to fit right into 

662
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:45,400
a narrative that has been very 
Central to the corporate news 

663
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,700
media's agenda for the last year
and a half or two years or so. 

664
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,100
But this one doesn't fit. 
And I don't, I can't say why 

665
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:58,000
that is, but it's puzzling. 
I maybe it's because it's simply

666
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,300
too. 
It's too traumatic a story to to

667
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:05,000
contend with. 
Well, you know, when you hear 

668
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,300
the number, yeah, the only 
coverage we found of this was 

669
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:12,700
kind of isolated local coverage 
that failed as Mickey noted to 

670
00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:19,900
connect the dots and say, this 
is a systemic problem in police 

671
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:23,200
departments across the country. 
You that have canine units. 

672
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:27,500
It's not just happening a little
bit here and a little bit there,

673
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:29,900
right? 
Wait, Michael, this is, you 

674
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:33,600
know, again training dogs to do.
This is similar to the story. 22

675
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,500
in terms of data Miner and 
racial bias, it stereotypes and 

676
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:41,600
policing of social media. 
I mean, it's kind of the core of

677
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,100
the same problem. 
It's, you know, garbage in 

678
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:48,200
garbage out. 
As I said, its data Miner is 

679
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,700
this this company that 
introduces this racial bias and 

680
00:41:50,707 --> 00:41:52,700
stereotypes. 
Type relying on Prejudice, 

681
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,900
prone, tropes, and hunches. 
And then they were feeding 

682
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:59,800
information to police about 
basically who to surveil who was

683
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,100
suspicious, right? 
This is a long practice, you 

684
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:06,400
know, wasn't just long ago that 
the FBI got caught using terms 

685
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,300
like black identity extremists, 
which was a top story. 

686
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:12,900
It's like going back to 
cointelpro days but no Michael, 

687
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,600
this was a story from our last 
year's book so this is 

688
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,200
definitely a theme. 
When you were you were 

689
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,400
mentioning earlier, you didn't 
know what year the censored 

690
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,500
book. 
It was, it could have been Book 

691
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:24,900
from the 70s. 
Unfortunately, this challenge 

692
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,400
remains, and we must confront 
it. 

693
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,000
We can't confront it. 
If we don't face it to sort of 

694
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,200
mangle the James Baldwin quote, 
right? 

695
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,100
This is what's so great about 
project censored. 

696
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:37,200
It's not just the big stories 
that, you know, maybe you've 

697
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,600
heard something about. 
But it's these little stories 

698
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:43,400
that's a much bigger things 
about who we still are as a 

699
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,000
society. 
I'm going down the list here. 

700
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,400
This one, this one caught my eye
on your project censored list 

701
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:54,500
European demand. 
And for biomass energy projects,

702
00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:58,400
propels the destruction of u.s. 
force that. 

703
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,900
Let me reach, let me say this 
again. 

704
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:05,900
This story project sensors list 
is about Europeans. 

705
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:12,900
Essentially I paying for the 
cutting down of trees in North 

706
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:17,700
America, in order to have their 
biomass energy plants in the 

707
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:23,200
Lord's burning wood in Europe, 
and Because of the way that the 

708
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,800
UN and other organizations, 
certainly a lot of Corporations,

709
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:32,500
they like to call biomass part 
of the alternative green energy 

710
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:37,700
movement, but what it's doing 
is, it's burning something from 

711
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:42,400
the planet and putting more 
carbon up into the atmosphere, 

712
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,500
but I notice a lot of European 
countries. 

713
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:48,000
They like to say, oh, you know, 
we're we're fifty percent green.

714
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,400
Now, we're 40 percent green and 
it's like, This story tells you 

715
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,300
well they're they're kind of 
cutting Corners here and, and be

716
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:59,400
asking you, what they're what 
they're doing is they're cutting

717
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,700
down our trees, having them 
shipped over to Europe so they 

718
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:04,400
can put more carbon up into the 
air. 

719
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:07,200
Take that a little further than 
from what. 

720
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:12,100
Yeah, well, this one you know, 
popular belief is that most 

721
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:16,200
European Union nations are, you 
know, all about solar and wind 

722
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,200
power as their primary sources 
of renewable energy. 

723
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:25,600
But we know from studies, That 
about 60% of renewable energy in

724
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:31,200
the EU in EU Nations comes from 
biomass write this. 

725
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:36,000
So it's which is championed as a
renewable resource and to be 

726
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,100
clear, biomass is using the 
energy of plants would waste 

727
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:43,400
materials as a source of heating
or power. 

728
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,300
Our beach burning of garbage is 
you can learn garbage, has 

729
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:49,800
alternative green, energy, green
energy. 

730
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,100
It's right. 
What's not? 

731
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:57,400
Not counted are the carbon costs
of of those activities, right? 

732
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,800
So that's where they're, you 
know, in effect, you know, an 

733
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:07,900
illustrious group of scientists 
have pointed out that, you know,

734
00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:10,100
the Reliance on biomass 
generated. 

735
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:13,700
Electricity has the unintended 
consequence of speeding up 

736
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:19,100
carbon emissions pollution and 
at this story is one where, you 

737
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:23,300
know, I guess there's a certain 
irony of Since the u.s. exploits

738
00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:27,900
resources from other nations, 
All Around the World, perhaps 

739
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:32,800
there's a certain irony that in 
this case it's our own natural 

740
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:39,000
resources that are being 
exploited by European countries.

741
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,000
But here the, you know, a 
historical perspective is useful

742
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,700
because the parts of the United 
States that are most impacted by

743
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:54,700
this European demand for biomass
Energy are is that it's the 

744
00:45:54,700 --> 00:45:57,800
Southern Sea board, it's North 
and South Carolina. 

745
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,000
It's Georgia. 
Alabama Florida, right? 

746
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:08,100
And so in some ways we're seeing
here reproduced in 2021 2022. 

747
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,300
Like what are centuries Old 
Colonial relationships of 

748
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:15,900
source, it's only now they're 
mediated through these through 

749
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:19,200
these you know, Global 
corporations. 

750
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:27,000
So you know, this is a story 
that it fits one of the modes 

751
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,600
that I was describing earlier in
our conversation. 

752
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,500
This is a story that has had 
isolated corporate news coverage

753
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:35,500
when we were vetting this story 
to see. 

754
00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:38,900
If it was worthy of inclusion on
this year's top 25 list. 

755
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:44,300
We found one outstanding article
in the New York Times from April

756
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:50,000
of 2021, on this topic. 
It's an excellent report in many

757
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,200
ways. 
But but even this report had 

758
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:59,400
flaws that point to the 
shortcomings in corporate news 

759
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,800
coverage we found that despite 
the otherwise excellent quality 

760
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,400
of the New York Times coverage 
of this topic, there was a kind 

761
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:14,100
of an angle of false balancing 
the, the platform. 

762
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,600
You know, the New York Times 
basically provided a platform 

763
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,300
for arguments from in-house 
scientists on NY burning, the 

764
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:24,700
pellets shouldn't be? 
Should I'm sorry. 

765
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,200
Let me say that again, the New 
York Times provided a kind of 

766
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,300
platform for arguments from 
in-house. 

767
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:36,500
Scientists about why burning 
pellets should be considered 

768
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:42,900
carbon neutral. 
And That's a problem, right? 

769
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,500
We know, you know, sure. 
There are scientists who will 

770
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:51,200
make that case, but they're the 
very small minority compared to 

771
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,500
those that we were talking about
just a moment ago who see 

772
00:47:55,300 --> 00:48:01,200
biomass electricity as an 
accelerator of carbon emissions 

773
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:06,100
and, and in the the climate 
crisis, Michael, I just wanted 

774
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:07,800
to tag on to what you said 
earlier. 

775
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,000
Following Andy, you were talking
about biomass Is and how there's

776
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,100
a lot of public relations 
efforts or propaganda campaigns 

777
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:19,100
talking about biomass has as 
green, a green movement, right? 

778
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:21,900
So he has permit, the Frog would
say It's Not Easy Being Green. 

779
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:24,900
So since it's not so Easy Being 
Green, these corporations resort

780
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:27,900
to greenwashing, right? 
And I think biomass is one of 

781
00:48:27,908 --> 00:48:31,000
those things that's part of the 
greenwashing campaign, that kind

782
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,000
of covers up the real damage 
done, and the sort of bait and 

783
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,200
switch or shell game that's 
going on here, the European 

784
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,700
Union in 2020 said that they 
were going to reassess those Is,

785
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,700
but again, you know, we're 
already with, you know, past the

786
00:48:43,700 --> 00:48:47,000
Tipping Point with things, like 
the oceans warranted warming, 

787
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,100
the acidification of the oceans.
I mean, this is a real serious 

788
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:52,400
issue. 
So, and it's also not a secret 

789
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,000
and you, well, know, this 
Michael these corporations often

790
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,400
spend more time money and effort
on public relations campaigns 

791
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,200
than they do on actually 
changing their practices. 

792
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,800
Yeah, that's I've seen that many
times. 

793
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,400
Let me tell you, there's so many
other stories here to go through

794
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:10,300
this. 
I just think again. 

795
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:16,100
I encourage people to go online 
to project censored dot org and 

796
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:20,300
and you can read these stories, 
you can, they've got links, 

797
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:26,200
they've got their report that 
you can obtain for this past 

798
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,200
year sensor stories, but let me 
ask each of you Mickey and Andy 

799
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,400
pick one of your, I don't want 
to say favorite stories, but one

800
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:38,600
story that I haven't brought up 
on your list here that you think

801
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:44,000
definitely needs more. 
Tension and and and it and it's 

802
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,500
somewhat appalling that we don't
know more about this and I'm in 

803
00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:51,100
yours and your you're glad that 
you put it on your list. 

804
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:54,600
Each of you just maybe pick one 
and and you want you want to go 

805
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,100
first Mickey. 
Yeah, I'll go first, I'll go 

806
00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:59,500
first by bucking the trend and 
picking something that's in the 

807
00:49:59,500 --> 00:50:02,700
book. 
That's not in the top 25 because

808
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:05,400
this is an ongoing recurring 
problem, and Carl Jensen, 

809
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,000
coined, this term itself called 
Junk Food news. 

810
00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:10,300
So we were talking earlier about
the junk. 

811
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,400
Food diets and fast food diets, 
and all these kind of, you know,

812
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,000
bad diets that the American 
public tends to have. 

813
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,800
And that's further fueled by a 
big agribusiness and advertising

814
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,800
and so forth. 
Junk food news is the kind of 

815
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,400
titillating sensationalist 
distracting stories that 

816
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,300
dominate the airwaves dominate, 
the column inches dominate, the 

817
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:31,800
television programs but yet have
almost nothing to do with our 

818
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,500
daily lives. 
And this year, we wrote about 

819
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:37,300
tick-tocking our return to 
normalcy and talked about 

820
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:41,400
addiction to social media. 
And we talked about In ability 

821
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:46,500
of Americans, to really put it 
out, you know, like you couldn't

822
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:50,000
not know about the Tiger King 
when that serious was on 

823
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,100
Netflix. 
You know, you can't not know 

824
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,300
about what's happening with the 
Kardashians. 

825
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:59,000
And this has been a problem 
going back for decades, and it's

826
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,900
actually gotten worse in the 
bigger problem. 

827
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:03,700
Michael, is that the more and 
more we have sensationalist 

828
00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:08,700
coverage on frivolous, celebrity
activities and so forth, Sports,

829
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:11,800
Etc. 
That's More time and more column

830
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,900
engines that's that's spent away
from the stories, like you, 

831
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:18,000
Andy. 
And I were just running down for

832
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,400
the last hour. 
So I would like to call 

833
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,900
attention as one of the quote, 
so-called censored stories as 

834
00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:28,300
literally the way that the media
ecosystem itself function in the

835
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:30,300
United States. 
And we have a couple of chapters

836
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:34,600
in the book, every year, on junk
food, news and news abuse, which

837
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,400
is news as Spin and propaganda, 
right? 

838
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,200
And just in case your folks 
began to think that were only - 

839
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:43,400
I have a whole chapter every 
year that's more solutions 

840
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,700
journalism based called media 
democracy in action that 

841
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:49,600
highlights the key sources, 
organizations and individuals 

842
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,100
that are really doing something 
to make a difference in Free 

843
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:55,500
Press matters. 
So, we definitely want your 

844
00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:58,600
listeners to know that if they 
go to Project censored dot-org, 

845
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,800
there's a lot to find out, 
including our weekly radio show 

846
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,000
the project censored show, 
documentary films. 

847
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:10,000
But we also share our curriculum
for free, our pedagogy, and we 

848
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:12,400
Courage more people to get 
involved in doing this kind of 

849
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,000
critical media, literacy 
education. 

850
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,800
So I think honestly Michael 
that's one of the censored 

851
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,200
stories from the corporate 
press. 

852
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:21,000
They don't really want us to 
talk about how to alleviate the 

853
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,600
problems of the press because 
that cuts into their profit 

854
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,000
motives and their profit lines 
or what about you. 

855
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,800
Andy? 
Well, before I list, One More 

856
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,100
Story from this year's top 25 
list and state of the Free Press

857
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:34,800
2022. 
I want to say. 

858
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,600
It can seem discouraging to run 
down these stories and hear all 

859
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,900
these things that are wrong. 
But think about how bad it would

860
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:46,200
be, if we didn't have 
independent journalists and 

861
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,500
independent news outlets, 
bringing these stories to the 

862
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:53,400
Public's attention, we'd be in a
lot worse shape than we are. 

863
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:56,800
So a shout out to the 
independent journalists, who 

864
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:02,700
often courageously, you know, 
put their lives on the line to 

865
00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:07,500
bring us these stories and also 
a, I would be remiss if I 

866
00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:13,700
didn't, you know, give A little 
fist pump for the Project's. 

867
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:18,900
Own campus Affiliates program, 
it is students undergraduate 

868
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:22,100
students at several dozen 
college and university campuses 

869
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:25,400
across the country who are 
initially, identifying and 

870
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,400
vetting, the stories that 
eventually make it into our top 

871
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,000
25 story list each year this 
year. 

872
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:37,900
Some 209, students helped us 
identify research and ultimately

873
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:44,200
summarize and promote Public 
awareness of several hundred 

874
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,100
stories that are posted on our 
project censored website as 

875
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:51,800
validated independent news 
stories from which the year's 

876
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:57,100
top, 25 stories are drawn. 
Here's one more from that list. 

877
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,500
This has been a this is since 
the onset of the covid-19 

878
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:07,800
pandemic in March 2020 there has
been a historic wave of Wildcat 

879
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,200
strikes for workers rights all 
across. 

880
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:15,200
The country Mike elk at the paid
a report in the midwest us a 

881
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:18,600
small Independent News, 
organization focused on labor 

882
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:26,600
issues as documented no fewer 
than 1750 unique independent 

883
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,700
Wildcat. 
Worker strikes workers are going

884
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:36,000
out in the face of increasingly 
dangerous working conditions 

885
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,300
under the pandemic as well as 
chronically low. 

886
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,300
Ages. 
This story has been all but 

887
00:54:43,300 --> 00:54:48,100
invisible in the corporate news 
media, the corporate news media 

888
00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:52,500
failed to cover this story for 
the better part of 18 months 

889
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:57,500
until they came up with the kind
of trite, strike Tober frame 

890
00:54:57,500 --> 00:54:59,300
within which to report the 
story. 

891
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,600
But by that time you know the 
paid a report and Mike elk had 

892
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,900
been covering what are in 
effect. 

893
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:11,200
The largest I believe it's 
correct to say that the largest 

894
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:16,200
wave of Wildcat strikes in the 
United States since the 19th, 

895
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:23,100
late 60s, and early 1970s. 
So this is an amazing thing and 

896
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:27,400
people can go and check out the 
payday reports, covid-19 strike,

897
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:32,700
map, Which documents with 
pinpoints, these things, during 

898
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:37,200
that whole period, there was one
other time prior to strike 

899
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,200
Tobar, which then awkwardly 
turned into Like member and I 

900
00:55:41,207 --> 00:55:45,000
don't know if we're now in 
strike through Airy it you know 

901
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:50,200
the frame is not strike you 
very, thank you. 

902
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,000
That's why I'm not a corporate 
news. 

903
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:57,200
Person the one-time previous 
that corporate news showed 

904
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,700
interest in that kind of labor 
organization was in August of 

905
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2020. 
When Major league baseball 

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players and NBA players went out
on strike, briefly in protest of

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00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,400
the Pope Wisconsin police, 
shooting of Jacob Lake. 

908
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,300
Then the New York Times, The 
Washington, Post, CNN, and 

909
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:25,600
others were interested in 
Wildcat labor, strikes and 

910
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:30,800
actions but when it was, you 
know, thousands and thousands of

911
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:36,100
workers at small places all 
across the country going An out.

912
00:56:36,700 --> 00:56:39,000
There was nothing. 
That story was completely 

913
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,800
marginalized by the corporate 
news media, as I say until we 

914
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:47,900
got kind of a strike. 
Belated 18 months after it's 

915
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:52,300
been going strike Tober frame. 
Now it's great that this is on 

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00:56:52,300 --> 00:56:56,100
the list and a couple weeks ago 
I had on the Starbucks workers 

917
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,200
who've gone out on strike and 
who have been able to unionize 

918
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,700
some of their locations in the 
country, starting a buffalo. 

919
00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:09,200
And I just heard from some 
people in Flint that they, 

920
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there's now Starbucks, there 
that's signing up to have a vote

921
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:17,200
to join the union. 
So now, this is, this is an 

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00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,500
important story of the time in 
which we are living. 

923
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:24,300
And I think you for covering 
that, those are crucial stories 

924
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:26,600
and it'll be interesting to see 
as those stories. 

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00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,300
Develop, as workers begin to 
organize. 

926
00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:32,400
It places like Starbucks and 
Amazon all across the country. 

927
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,200
It'll be interesting to see 
whether corporate news. 

928
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:39,100
Average of those stories. 
Treats them as isolated 

929
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:42,700
incidents or whether the 
corporate media began connecting

930
00:57:42,700 --> 00:57:47,700
the dots to show that there are 
systemic patterns driving these 

931
00:57:47,700 --> 00:57:53,700
actions and that they are, you 
know, to use an old metaphor 

932
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:59,000
like headline above the fold 
news, not kind of a small report

933
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,500
here and there on page 17 of the
paper. 

934
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:04,700
And as you well know, Michael 
corporate media, covers things 

935
00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:07,100
from a Judgment corporate 
perspective. 

936
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:09,600
So they don't cover labor 
concerns. 

937
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:12,900
They cover labor problems, 
right? 

938
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,000
It's a labor dispute. 
It's always on the side of Labor

939
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,500
that there's a problem or people
are ungrateful. 

940
00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:20,700
People are lazy, they don't want
to work. 

941
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:23,700
It's never that. 
These employers just don't pay 

942
00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:26,400
them enough money, right? 
So the framing of corporate 

943
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:27,600
media is really important to 
look here. 

944
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,900
And that makes sources like 
payday and other independent 

945
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:33,900
journalists really significant 
because they cover the Angles 

946
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:36,400
and perspectives from the Look 
interest and from the people 

947
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,200
from we the people not from, we 
the corporations, I saw a great 

948
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,000
political cartoon on that the 
other day. 

949
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:47,300
It's the to, you know, big big 
money bags, business owners 

950
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:52,900
standing in an executive room 
and outside the window. 

951
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:56,000
All the workers are protesting 
with their signs, saying Fair 

952
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,000
wages. 
Now, new contract and the one 

953
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,300
big wig boss is looking at the 
other and says, all they ever do

954
00:59:02,300 --> 00:59:07,000
is think about money. 
Well, you know that story 

955
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,900
Michael All Too. 
Well, I want to thank you guys 

956
00:59:10,900 --> 00:59:13,800
for this and for the great work 
that you do. 

957
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:16,700
I mean this there's so many here
that we have been able to cover 

958
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,400
microplastics and toxic 
chemicals increasingly prevalent

959
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,400
in world's oceans. 
Google's union-busting methods 

960
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,900
are revealed, Pfizer bullies, 
South American governments, over

961
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:35,900
covid-19 vaccine activists, call
out Legacy of racism and sexism 

962
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,900
in forced sterilization. 
Again, that's been on the list 

963
00:59:39,900 --> 00:59:42,700
for 60 years, but it's just all 
of this. 

964
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,400
It's just so these 25 stories 
here. 

965
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,900
There's more you keep this 
updated throughout the year on 

966
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:53,300
your site. 
You do good work, I and others 

967
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:56,900
are extremely grateful for what 
you do. 

968
00:59:56,900 --> 01:00:02,000
Encourage people to support 
project censored, to share it 

969
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,600
with other people and send in 
those He's in your communities 

970
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,200
that aren't being covered 
because it's the way we find out

971
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,000
about this is that we think 
that's the one good thing about 

972
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,200
the internet that might be a 
second thing, but the one good 

973
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,400
thing is that we get to share 
this. 

974
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,100
The middleman has been 
eliminated. 

975
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:27,200
Yes, we can send this to each 
other, people can contact me, 

976
01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:30,300
you know? 
And, and you don't back in the 

977
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:33,800
day, if you wanted to reach out 
to the public, you'd have to 

978
01:00:33,808 --> 01:00:36,700
write a letter to the editor. 
And hope they would publish it. 

979
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,700
That's the way it was until the 
internet. 

980
01:00:39,700 --> 01:00:44,800
So so we're lucky we have a 
method at least that we can use 

981
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,400
for the good and I applaud you 
for what you've done and what 

982
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:54,800
you continue to do. 
And if you want to find out 

983
01:00:54,800 --> 01:01:00,800
more, just go to Project 
censored that org and in your 

984
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,500
eyes will be opened. 
Andy and Mickey. 

985
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:11,100
Thank you so much project. 
Censored, and for being here on 

986
01:01:11,100 --> 01:01:11,800
Rumble. 
Thank you. 

987
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,000
Michael. 
Thanks, Michael. 

988
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,300
And thanks for everything. 
You do, man. 

989
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:17,000
We appreciated the opportunity. 
At least I can do. 

990
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,200
Let me tell you you're doing the
work that needs to be done and 

991
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:23,500
it's much appreciated. 
So that's it for today. 

992
01:01:24,100 --> 01:01:27,000
My thanks to our executive 
producer, basil hamdan, our 

993
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,500
editor and sound engineer, Nick 
quas, our jack of all trades and

994
01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:35,700
currently I do band under 
mysterious circumstances, Donald

995
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:38,400
Bornstein and everyone else 
who's helped me? 

996
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,700
Put this podcast together. 
Thank you, one. 

997
01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:44,200
And all, and thank you to all of
you who listen to rumble with 

998
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,800
Michael Moore. 
I'm Michael Moore and I'll be 

999
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,200
back with another episode of 
Rumble here real soon. 

1000
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,700
Thanks everybody be well, stay 
safe. 

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01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:57,800
Without.