1 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,100 This is Rumble with Michael Moore and I'm Michael Moore. 2 00:00:25,100 --> 00:00:28,300 Welcome everyone. We're just we're coming up here 3 00:00:28,300 --> 00:00:33,800 on Christmas Eve. And just a few hours and I 4 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,100 wanted to get this week's podcast out to you because of 5 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,500 what is going on with the pandemic right now and I wanted 6 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:44,600 to talk to one of our favorite doctors dr. 7 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:49,800 Peter hotez from Houston who has really been speaking. 8 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:55,600 The truth on TV and anywhere he can and I had him on here before 9 00:00:56,300 --> 00:00:59,300 and I wanted to ask him some some direct questions. 10 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,500 So hang on for that. That's coming up here in just a 11 00:01:02,500 --> 00:01:06,000 couple of minutes I guess doing this, doing this, on the panda, 12 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:08,700 this becomes our Christmas podcast this year, the previous 13 00:01:08,900 --> 00:01:13,200 two years, you know. This is a we hit our second 14 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,100 birthday with this podcast this past week. 15 00:01:16,700 --> 00:01:21,700 Well just in time for Christmas Omicron is everywhere. 16 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:27,200 Just in the span of this one past week Omicron jumped from 17 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:33,200 about 3 percent of the The cases in the United States to 73 18 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,200 percent of all cases in this country and in some parts of the 19 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,100 nation. It's as high as 90%. 20 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:46,000 This thing has taken off like wildfire, in every part of 21 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,900 America. Try to get an at-home test. 22 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,700 They're sold out everywhere. Try to go line up for one of the 23 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,600 free testing sites. You know, you could be there, 24 00:01:57,900 --> 00:02:02,200 good, couple hours the Four blocks the lines around the 25 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,900 blocks and that's until they run out of test themselves. 26 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,100 All this is happening just in time for the holidays, the 27 00:02:10,100 --> 00:02:13,500 biggest travel season of the year where most people won't or 28 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:17,700 can't afford to change their travel plans and they miss their 29 00:02:17,700 --> 00:02:22,500 families. It's understandable, but it's 30 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:26,500 also the most dangerous time since the started actually two 31 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:30,600 years ago this month but there is good news in all of this. 32 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:36,100 If you're vaccinated your odds of hospitalization or death are 33 00:02:36,100 --> 00:02:39,800 like virtually nil. They're so low. 34 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,400 If you've had your two shots, if you've had your booster shot, 35 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:48,200 but there's still a lot of considerations and Mild cases 36 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,400 that can meet a lot. Lot of different things. 37 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,000 For instance, the Long Haul case, just people. 38 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:58,200 I know that that have lost their hair, they can smell, they can't 39 00:02:58,300 --> 00:03:00,800 taste her. They need 12 to 14 hours of 40 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,900 sleep at night and they just had a mild version of delta or 41 00:03:06,900 --> 00:03:11,000 Omicron and it didn't matter. It didn't matter and now they 42 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,900 don't know how many months or years, they'll have what are 43 00:03:13,900 --> 00:03:15,500 called these long-haul covid things. 44 00:03:15,500 --> 00:03:19,000 So, to help you understand what to expect with this. 45 00:03:19,500 --> 00:03:23,100 Affected Christmas gift of a brand new wave of covid and how 46 00:03:23,100 --> 00:03:24,900 to keep yourself and your family. 47 00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:28,400 Safe, we're going to be joined shortly by one of our favorite 48 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,000 returning guest, dr. Peter hotez. 49 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:35,000 But first a quick word about our Underwriters who are supporting 50 00:03:35,300 --> 00:03:39,300 this episode of Rumble today. 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And Advocate regarding covid-19 81 00:05:33,900 --> 00:05:37,800 here in the US. He's the dean of the national 82 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,200 school for tropical medicine. Ian, a professor at Baylor 83 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:46,900 University, his voice and his willingness to challenge what's 84 00:05:46,900 --> 00:05:49,100 going on so that it gets done and gets done. 85 00:05:49,100 --> 00:05:55,600 Now, not next year now it's it's inspiring whenever I see him. 86 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,000 And every time I've had him on, he has told us the things that 87 00:06:00,100 --> 00:06:05,500 really not many other people are telling us and we're lucky to 88 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:09,000 have him as one of our great medical and scientific. 89 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,000 M to rumble here in the last two years. 90 00:06:13,500 --> 00:06:16,700 Doctor says, thank you so much for coming back here to my 91 00:06:16,700 --> 00:06:20,000 podcast here on Rumble much appreciated. 92 00:06:20,100 --> 00:06:21,600 Michael. Thanks so much for having me. 93 00:06:21,700 --> 00:06:27,000 We have appreciated, not only you being Rumble, but through 94 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,900 these last couple of years but also all the good work that you 95 00:06:30,900 --> 00:06:35,100 do there at the University in the hospital in, not Texas and 96 00:06:35,100 --> 00:06:38,900 and and on television much of what you say when you're being 97 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:41,300 interviewed. Viewed is you're not pulling any 98 00:06:41,300 --> 00:06:44,200 punches and you're not trying to sugarcoat it so we can all feel 99 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,500 better. Why is dr. 100 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:49,600 Hotel saying this Christmas is two days away, you see? 101 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:54,400 So I know the situation you're in, but I've always said that 102 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,400 when you rather know from the doctor, like the whole story the 103 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,300 whole truth. Well, what I try to do Michaels 104 00:07:01,300 --> 00:07:05,500 that trying to not just give Doom and Gloom predictions, but 105 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:08,700 but explain my assumption so that people can make informed 106 00:07:08,700 --> 00:07:10,800 decisions. I think this is the problem 107 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,800 we've had with Communications. I'll all two years from our us 108 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,700 Public Health, Service in the CDC. 109 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:20,400 They, they talk to us like we're in the fourth grader, 6th grade. 110 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,900 Don't just make these pronouncements with no 111 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:26,900 underlying information, so you can't make any assessments. 112 00:07:26,900 --> 00:07:30,000 And what I try to do is explain for instance. 113 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:36,200 You know, why that Omicron may not be so mild. 114 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,800 The fact that what the database coming out of of Africa and UK 115 00:07:41,300 --> 00:07:45,300 is because Omicron followed immediately on the heels of 116 00:07:45,300 --> 00:07:47,300 Delta. And so, a lot of the infections 117 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:51,000 were actually re-infections and that's why they made it appear 118 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,000 mild and then people yesterday get it and say may not apply to 119 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,700 the us. So you can make a decision about 120 00:07:57,700 --> 00:08:00,200 whether to fly your mother-in-law from New Jersey 121 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,700 down to Houston and that sort of thing. 122 00:08:03,100 --> 00:08:06,200 And I think that's what people appreciate that that I talk to 123 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:07,300 them. Like, adults. 124 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:12,800 I treat them as equals and Try to give them useful information 125 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,900 that they can process make the best decisions again for 126 00:08:15,900 --> 00:08:18,200 themselves. But what becomes I think? 127 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,300 Confusing are scary for a lot of people's. 128 00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:25,300 I'll just take the last 24 hours of the news cycle is now they 129 00:08:25,500 --> 00:08:28,900 first, we all got scared. This new variant. 130 00:08:28,900 --> 00:08:32,400 The last 24 hours now has been. Oh, this isn't so bad. 131 00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:37,000 It's mild people aren't dying from it and it's like well what 132 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,100 do you do? What are you telling us here? 133 00:08:38,100 --> 00:08:41,000 So don't worry. Worry about it or and it's kind 134 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,600 of you know to the civilians those of us who are just trying 135 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:44,700 to figure this out. Yeah. 136 00:08:44,700 --> 00:08:46,900 And that's the problem. So you can make an informed 137 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:48,800 decision. What I do is I actually I 138 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,400 explain why some people think it's not going to be mild 139 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,900 Illness but others may not agree. 140 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:56,900 And here's why. Here are the assumptions people 141 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:59,300 use to come up with the conclusion that they think it's 142 00:08:59,300 --> 00:09:03,200 mild and here's why that might be not correct and the problem 143 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,000 doing it of course is when you're doing a hit on MSNBC or 144 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,700 CNN, it'll let me back on Fox. Anymore. 145 00:09:09,700 --> 00:09:14,000 But is that you only get you know, two or three minutes and 146 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,100 then you know the producers shouting in your ear, wrap up 147 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:21,600 wrap up and you're trying to get that information out. 148 00:09:21,700 --> 00:09:25,400 But but the Network's haven't the cable news networks of a 149 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,300 generally pretty good about letting me explain. 150 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:30,800 And that's why people like it because not because then they 151 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,400 come away. Oh, now I get it now, I 152 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,300 understand what, what this is, and also your on both CNN and 153 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:40,700 MSNBC which, which means I assume That you're not beholding 154 00:09:40,700 --> 00:09:43,900 to one or the other? No, I'll talk to anybody. 155 00:09:43,900 --> 00:09:45,700 I got on BBC. I do. 156 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:48,400 You know, I mean, I work for food. 157 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,100 So I don't I don't get paid by any. 158 00:09:51,100 --> 00:09:52,800 You don't get paid by the cable networks. 159 00:09:53,500 --> 00:09:55,800 No, no, wow. So just for the people 160 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,700 listening, what are they talking about? 161 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,800 Is that and I know that, and I don't either I go on whoever, 162 00:10:01,900 --> 00:10:05,200 but a lot of the commentators are paid, which is 163 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,100 understandable, you know, they cable news needs. 164 00:10:09,700 --> 00:10:13,200 People standing by as guests to go over this. 165 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,000 But yeah. No, I have no problem for people 166 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,300 who get paid to do it. That's if they do that as part 167 00:10:17,300 --> 00:10:21,500 of their job sign and and Mike in my case they didn't they 168 00:10:21,500 --> 00:10:25,400 didn't offer and I didn't ask and I feel grateful to have the 169 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,000 opportunity to speak to the nation and the fact that fox 170 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:31,200 won't have you anymore. I've actually thought about 171 00:10:31,300 --> 00:10:35,200 going on Fox just for the possibility that for every 10 172 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,400 people who are watching me and there's and there's nine that 173 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,900 are got I'm coming out of their ears if that one, if I reach 174 00:10:41,900 --> 00:10:45,000 that 11 out of 10. Oh, I absolutely agree. 175 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,200 I mean I was asked to go on Fox News in the daytime but couple 176 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,400 of months ago, the daytime anchors didn't hang in there 177 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,500 with me for a while. The nighttime guys cut me off 178 00:10:54,500 --> 00:10:58,800 pretty quickly when I started saying that Trump was launching 179 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,800 a anti-science disinformation campaign, that glows me up the 180 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,400 daytime, some of the daytime Acres, I'm getting there with 181 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,500 the hung in there with me for a while and then they finally Shut 182 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:12,400 me out, but I'll go on Fox. I still have been on Newsmax a 183 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:17,300 few times in for the exact reason you say because those are 184 00:11:17,300 --> 00:11:19,000 exactly the people we need to reach. 185 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,100 I mean, I sometimes I feel too often are preaching to the 186 00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:25,500 converted, right? Well, because if you and I if we 187 00:11:25,500 --> 00:11:28,200 can reach like I said, that one out of 10 that could be a 188 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,100 million people who say, after they're done listening to you or 189 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:35,800 to a lesser extent, me they go away from the TV, they leave the 190 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,300 room, they let everybody else in there. 191 00:11:37,900 --> 00:11:41,100 Go off under there. Q and on theories but they leave 192 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:42,000 the room and they go. Wow! 193 00:11:42,008 --> 00:11:43,800 That made a lot of sense. Michael. 194 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:49,900 Here's the latest number since June 1st 200,000 unvaccinated 195 00:11:49,900 --> 00:11:54,200 Americans have needlessly lost their lives to covid-19 196 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,800 thousand. Two hundred thousand. 197 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,900 This is not small potatoes and this anti-science aggression. 198 00:12:01,100 --> 00:12:06,500 I've now said, is maybe the leading killer of, you know, of 199 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:09,800 young adults in the United States young and Adults in the 200 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,000 United States up there with maybe fentanyl. 201 00:12:12,100 --> 00:12:14,200 I mean, that's what we're talking about. 202 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,700 So this is not an academic discussion. 203 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,000 I mean, we're losing 1000 people. 1000 unvaccinated people 204 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:26,800 every day to covid-19, maybe more and, and that's why it's so 205 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,600 essential to do it. It's it's, you know, I feel is a 206 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,200 physician scientist and, you know, God gave me great skills, 207 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,200 she was really nice to me. She gave me a physician 208 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,300 scientist and and I feel I have to give back and part of that, 209 00:12:41,300 --> 00:12:44,300 giving back is not only to do the science, but the combat the 210 00:12:44,300 --> 00:12:46,900 empty side. Well, and also on that if you 211 00:12:46,908 --> 00:12:51,800 disagree with us, say, so but people like I'll just say me 212 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,800 friends of mine we don't want. And if anybody's listening who, 213 00:12:57,700 --> 00:13:01,100 you know, you're on the other side of the political fence, we 214 00:13:01,100 --> 00:13:03,700 want you to live. We don't want you to die. 215 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,100 We don't want. I don't want to hear 200,000. 216 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,000 There was that story in the New York Times last week. 217 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,200 About the red States, just thousands and thousands of 218 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:15,400 people believing Trump and yet, they're not even believing Trump 219 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,900 who this week on television. With Bill O'Reilly both 220 00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:21,200 admitted. They've been they've gotten 221 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,800 their booster shot, they're fully vaccinated. 222 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,700 And yet the people following them still aren't getting 223 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:29,600 vaccinated fact. I think Trump got booed a little 224 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,200 bit wooed, that's how that's how deep in the rabbit hole they are 225 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,300 and and you know and then I get accused of politicizing vaccines 226 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:39,500 and said you know I'm not pulling Hassan. 227 00:13:39,500 --> 00:13:41,500 So we're trying to deem politicize it aside. 228 00:13:41,500 --> 00:13:46,500 Yes, I'm trying to basically say to the far right groups or 229 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:50,400 conservative groups that, you know, an anti-science is not 230 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,200 your fight, don't don't, you don't need to adopt this. 231 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,900 There's, you know, if you if you want to do a all the Nutty stuff 232 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,500 that's your business, that's not my Lane. 233 00:14:00,500 --> 00:14:03,200 I'm not going to, I'm not going to go into that lane but at 234 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,800 least uncouple it from the empty science at don't unnecessarily 235 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,600 needlessly. What advice? 236 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,400 Because we're talking here. Just a day before. 237 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,500 Christmas Eve, people are going to be with family. 238 00:14:15,500 --> 00:14:19,700 There are family members who are not vaccinated, they won't get 239 00:14:19,700 --> 00:14:21,500 vaccinated, they don't believe in any of this. 240 00:14:21,500 --> 00:14:25,800 They either they believe some conspiracy theory or whatever 241 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:30,000 and and they're desperate. And before my Thanksgiving 242 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,500 episode, I had this discussion, I let people like call or write 243 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:39,100 in what's the main question you have to try to help families? 244 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:42,900 Members and their so. And I heard back from them after 245 00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:46,000 Thanksgiving and they're so defeated by this. 246 00:14:46,300 --> 00:14:50,500 But if you come across anything that seems to work the advice, 247 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:53,200 you could give people listening to this who are going to be with 248 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,700 unvaccinated family members, which by the way, my personal 249 00:14:57,700 --> 00:15:00,500 advice. And I'm not a doctor, I would 250 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:04,300 not be around any unvaccinated family members. 251 00:15:04,500 --> 00:15:06,900 Tell them you love them. Tell them we look forward to 252 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:12,000 this thing being over sometime. But you can't be in my house. 253 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,600 You can't be around my kids. You can't be. 254 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,600 I mean, I think this is a position. 255 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,100 A lot of people have taken now and I think it's it's sadly 256 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:21,700 broken up some families. I think I think the message you 257 00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:26,400 know for this this holiday season is this is like no other 258 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,700 covid-19. Variant we've seen. 259 00:15:28,700 --> 00:15:33,000 I mean, if you look at the number of cases versus day 260 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,800 curves, going up in New York City or Washington. 261 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,600 DC. It's a vertical slope. 262 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:43,100 This is Is so true, a a decibel that straight up its I'd like 263 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:46,900 nothing I've ever seen. So you know, if you're around 264 00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:50,200 unvaccinated individuals or if you're even around harshly, 265 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,700 vaccinated individuals, there's a high likelihood, their 266 00:15:53,700 --> 00:15:55,600 transmission, transmitting covid. 267 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:00,000 So, essentially what you should do is when you talk to a family 268 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,000 member, who's not vaccinated or partially vaccinated, you should 269 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,600 be interacting with them as though. 270 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,000 You should assume that. They're shedding their coming 271 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,200 into your house shedding. And covid-19 virus and can see 272 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,500 if and then see if you're willing to put up with that 273 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:16,300 risk. Or would you? 274 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:23,600 No, I mean, I, I mean, even, you know, my mother-in-law who, you 275 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,400 know, she's in her 80s, she's fully vaccinated and boosted 276 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,700 there's enough Break, Even because of Omicron and it's 277 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,500 Spike spike Gene, Escape, mutations. 278 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,400 I felt it was too much of a risk of forgetting breakthrough. 279 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,300 Covid Neva Kno, would likely be mild. 280 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:43,400 I'd want to take that risk. So I disinvite her. 281 00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:47,400 So which is sad because we had a nice meal. 282 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,800 I plan on going to show her some museums here. 283 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,700 Houston's great restaurants but you know, it wasn't worth it, 284 00:16:52,700 --> 00:16:54,500 right? As opposed to my oldest 285 00:16:54,500 --> 00:16:55,400 daughter. Yeah. 286 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,800 Okay. Left and my oldest son come, so 287 00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:01,700 I think families all over the country have to make those kinds 288 00:17:01,700 --> 00:17:05,000 of measured decisions. And that's why I think it's 289 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:10,000 important not to for the CDC, not to give simple directives or 290 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,500 information because you can't process it to make informed 291 00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:15,800 decisions, right then. So maybe that discussion with 292 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,200 them should happen over the phone. 293 00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:20,900 Not Tim person in your house. This what people are telling me 294 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:24,500 now in the last again, 24 hours, although it's not as dangerous 295 00:17:24,500 --> 00:17:28,200 as Delta. I'm fully vaccinated, nothing 296 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,800 will happen to me and I said, well, that's not true. 297 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,000 We've seen the of these breakthrough cases and I said, I 298 00:17:33,008 --> 00:17:37,900 know, I know of at least two people who got covid but mild 299 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:39,800 symptoms. No no, nothing big. 300 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,600 And one of them is our one of our, our people, on our work 301 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,200 with me and my crew for my films. 302 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:51,400 And he he got it last February so I don't know what is that, 303 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,900 almost 11 months ago, didn't have it, bad got over it to this 304 00:17:56,900 --> 00:18:02,200 day, he cannot taste or smell. I'm convinced that now because I 305 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:07,700 have fully vaccinated plus a flu shot that that I'm probably 306 00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:10,500 going to be okay. My mask is always on whenever 307 00:18:10,500 --> 00:18:14,700 I'm around, anybody do masks double mass in 95 and I put a 308 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:18,500 cloth mask over that. But I don't want to get the Long 309 00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:20,000 Haul. I don't want these symptoms. 310 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:22,800 I have another person, I know that the hair her hair fell out, 311 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,400 I mean there's all these things that we don't know how long, he 312 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,600 doesn't know how long he won't be able to taste or smell. 313 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:31,000 Well, this was the argument that I had with a number of my 314 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,200 scientific colleagues who felt that we only vaccinate to 315 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,800 prevent hospitalizations and deaths. 316 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,100 And I said, well, of course we vaccinated to prevent 317 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:43,500 hospitalizations and deaths but I'm also getting boosted because 318 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,400 I don't want to get covid. I don't want to have Gray 319 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,900 matter, brain degeneration on MRI. 320 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:54,200 I don't want to have a cat, a brain image study that looks 321 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,500 like somebody 20 years older than I am and and we continually 322 00:18:58,900 --> 00:19:01,100 underestimate the impact of lung covid. 323 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:04,300 In fact, I have we have a manuscript under review or about 324 00:19:04,300 --> 00:19:07,000 to be submitted. That's looking exactly that why 325 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,100 we also need to vaccinate against lung covid it's just 326 00:19:10,100 --> 00:19:13,400 like when I got my shingles vaccine you know Ching Couric's, 327 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,000 I didn't get it because I thought I was going to die 328 00:19:15,100 --> 00:19:17,300 Jingles. I Because I don't want to get 329 00:19:17,300 --> 00:19:17,900 shanked. Yes. 330 00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:20,400 And and, and that's true of a lot of adult vaccine. 331 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,600 So I don't know why we hold this other standard. 332 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,400 Maybe I'm wrong to say this, but I would take them if I got covid 333 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,500 in the same mild version of it, but it's still ended up in the 334 00:19:29,500 --> 00:19:33,300 hospital for a few days. I sort of would rather that if 335 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:36,700 it meant that that, you know, whatever the medicine is. 336 00:19:36,700 --> 00:19:40,500 Now the cocktail of pills or whatever that that would get me 337 00:19:40,500 --> 00:19:45,500 out of covid quickly. I'd rather that then not be able 338 00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:50,100 to taste Taste or smell for the next year that, that that is, 339 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,900 that's why I'm. So when people say, oh this on 340 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:55,600 the crying and says, don't worry, it's just if you get it's 341 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,000 not bad. Well yeah, that may be true for. 342 00:19:58,100 --> 00:20:01,900 Like it may just feel like the flu for a few days but how would 343 00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:03,200 you, how would you like your hair to follow? 344 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,700 How would you like to not smell or taste? 345 00:20:04,700 --> 00:20:07,500 How would you like to need 12 hours of sleep? 346 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,700 Yeah, and and also we've I think the narrative that I think the 347 00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:14,800 narrative that it's mild illness, may not hold because 348 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,000 again, Most of that are based on descriptions of people who are 349 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,000 likely had code Omicron re-infections because their own 350 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,600 work on Wave. It was, you know, dovetailed 351 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:29,900 from their Delta wave in the United States, is different and 352 00:20:29,900 --> 00:20:32,800 the north. You did not have a big Delta 353 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,700 wave, like we did in the South. So I think it's going to behave 354 00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:39,200 differently. I think hospitalizations are 355 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,700 going to go up in the north northern hospitals. 356 00:20:43,700 --> 00:20:45,800 Were already seen that starting to happen in New York. 357 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,600 York and Washington, but we have another problem. 358 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,400 Michael in the problem is this that that you're going to have 359 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,100 all these health care workers with with breakthrough, covid, 360 00:20:56,100 --> 00:20:59,100 even who've gotten their booster, not enough for them to 361 00:20:59,100 --> 00:21:01,500 be sick in the hospital. But enough in them to be at home 362 00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:05,200 with covid and that's going to knock out a substantial 363 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,100 proportion of the healthcare Workforce. 364 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:11,700 So I think the one-two punch that I see with Omicron is one, 365 00:21:11,700 --> 00:21:14,800 it's not as mild as people are making out. 366 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,400 You're going to among the Max and David, you're going to still 367 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,400 see them pile and the hospital's a nice to use. 368 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,500 And you're just nobody could going to be around to take care 369 00:21:23,500 --> 00:21:25,400 of them because they're going to be sick at all. 370 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:30,500 And that's what I was looking for for the president to address 371 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:33,100 that how to manage keeping people in the healthcare 372 00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:35,600 Workforce. So since nobody was coming up 373 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,600 with ideas, I put an out there which nobody seems to lie like I 374 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,200 saw it and I'd like you to repeat it again because you 375 00:21:42,208 --> 00:21:44,100 know, I think, you know, Biden took office. 376 00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:45,800 He still out even in president for a year. 377 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:48,900 Not now, so you see took office with the end of January, and I 378 00:21:48,908 --> 00:21:52,500 think he's done some incredible things, but, but when I, but his 379 00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:57,800 is to talks this week, I'm like, no, no, no, this is, you need 380 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:03,000 to, we need the full force of our government, getting trying 381 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,100 to, get to the, some place of what we used to call, heard 382 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:08,700 immunity. But, you know, I think if we 383 00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:13,800 just get to 80 or 85% of vaccinated, well, I think, you 384 00:22:13,808 --> 00:22:16,100 know, and I agree. I do you know, compared to Of 385 00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:19,600 course compared to what we had, you know, Biden is thousand 386 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,300 times better but he has done a good job. 387 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:26,100 I think is best you can in terms of you know getting the national 388 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:29,000 getting a national response out. They're not leading it giving it 389 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,400 to the states and making certain anybody wants to get vaccinated 390 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,500 get vaccinated. I think the last couple of weeks 391 00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:41,300 that we've not heard him frankly address but the weak links in 392 00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:44,200 this next Omicron wave. So weekly number one, the one I 393 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,700 just mentioned is that Health Care Providers being knocked out 394 00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:50,400 with the suggestion I made was offered them. 395 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,200 A second booster, a fourth year as a nation because that's the 396 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:59,200 climbing rapidly and potentially that fourth immunization could 397 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,000 bump up your virus. Neutralizing antibodies, it'll 398 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,100 go down pretty quickly but it'll at it'll get you through this 399 00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:07,600 wave. So you can take care of patients 400 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,000 in the hospital and it was interesting after I put that out 401 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,000 the Israeli government made that announcement, they're doing that 402 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,000 actually the two things they They did they made the same 403 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,600 recommendation for the healthcare providers, but they 404 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,200 also recommended for those over 60, which I also support, even 405 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,200 though it's not going to last long, it will get you through 406 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,000 this wave. But there's a couple of other 407 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,300 things by halves, which is, you know, the we're not going to 408 00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:36,200 have axial. Ovid that new Pfizer drug was 409 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:41,500 looking pretty good in abundance for this for this wave and I'm 410 00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:45,200 not sure why, why not why? You know, once it was pretty 411 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,800 clear. And that the drug look really 412 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,500 good and visor was going to apply for emergency use 413 00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:51,800 authorization. Why? 414 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,400 You know, we didn't use the full powers of the federal government 415 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,700 issues. A to invoke the Prudential 416 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,000 defense production act and make it right out. 417 00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:03,500 I mean, that's no small molecule drugs. 418 00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:07,600 Generally are not as complicated to me, quick vaccine, so that we 419 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,000 should have done it. Of course, testing is still is 420 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,000 still a tragedy, right? I mean, you mean there's no 421 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,800 reason to years into this epidemic. 422 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,900 Make, we have to have line circling around the block or 423 00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:22,900 waiting three hours to get freaking test. 424 00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:27,800 Your should be a home kit in everybody's house who wanted her 425 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,900 to pay a couple of bucks for it. So what's the answer to that 426 00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:34,000 question? Why why it why it should be so 427 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,700 easy to be tested by this point? You know, why isn't that 428 00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:40,500 happening? And, you know, if you were 429 00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:45,200 there, if you had an office down the hall in the West Wing, what 430 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,000 what would You be calling people in to talk to them about and 431 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,700 telling them what what we need to do. 432 00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:52,500 And we need to do it now, not the middle or end of January or 433 00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:54,800 in the case of the Pfizer drug. I heard I heard this morning 434 00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:58,600 that may not be full blast available for everybody till 435 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,600 spring maybe beginning of Summer that's just crazy. 436 00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:03,400 That's crazy, that's absolutely crazy. 437 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,300 So, you know, part of it, of course, is and I think I said 438 00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:10,500 this on MSNBC this morning, the difference between the UK and 439 00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:14,700 Israel is they have a health system, we have something called 440 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,200 Amazon Farm, I mean we don't have we don't have any health 441 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,500 infrastructure and by the way. Dr. Ho desiderata. 442 00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:25,600 Hold, this is laughing at that. The fact that the rest most 443 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,600 other democracies, industrialized countries, have a 444 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,200 real Health Care System where you don't have to beg Amazon 445 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,800 somehow to get to send you something, you're only laughing 446 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,000 at that so that you don't cry on my show. 447 00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:39,000 Is that correct? Okay. 448 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:42,000 I know exactly right now it's a horrible trip. 449 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,000 I mean it's and and that's what covid is done. 450 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,500 This whole Tim Endemic here in the US, it's exposed every 451 00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:51,900 single weakness that we have and that's all we have is weakness. 452 00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:54,500 I mean, it's, you know, it's all about. 453 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,900 Well, you've done a whole documentaries on this. 454 00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:59,000 I mean, you know, it's Dandy documentaries. 455 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,300 I mean, you know, better than anybody and, and having a 456 00:26:03,308 --> 00:26:07,300 pandemic just just brings all that to lay, right? 457 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:13,500 Yeah, yeah, I don't know what to say sometimes because I, I've 458 00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:15,700 been covering this particular issue there. 459 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,700 Health Care System, since my had a television show on NBC called 460 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:27,200 TV Nation back in 1993, 94, 95, and we did this, we did this 461 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,800 episode called the healthcare Olympics where we sent Crews 462 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,000 camera Crews, to the emergency room, one, emergency room in 463 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:43,900 Fort Lauderdale one in in Toronto, Canada and then one in 464 00:26:43,908 --> 00:26:47,200 Havana Cuba. And we waited for like a broken 465 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,500 arm or broken leg to come in and then we set the clock going and 466 00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:55,400 we followed them like it was a Olympics race to see who got the 467 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,700 right care and how much did it cost and it was so funny at the 468 00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:01,000 time. This is back in the 90s. 469 00:27:01,300 --> 00:27:06,700 So Cuba, one Cuban Canada, kind of tied except the in Canada, 470 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:11,200 they charge the guy $10 for the crutches to leave with his 471 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,400 broken leg and Cuba. They just gave him the crutches. 472 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,600 So, Cuba one and I got a call from My one of the people that 473 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,000 do standards and practices that NBC and she said, Cuba can't 474 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,700 win. I said what do you mean they won 475 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:25,600 with? This is all. 476 00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:27,700 This is documentary. We didn't fix this. 477 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,000 Yeah but yeah but cubic can't win. 478 00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:32,200 Now you can say Canada one. That's okay. 479 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,000 Yeah but Canada didn't win. Anyways this is I'm sorry to 480 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,300 tell that story but I'm just this is that's nice that's 1994 481 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:47,600 and and then in our movie sicko and 2007 So I'm at I've been you 482 00:27:47,608 --> 00:27:51,600 know, climbing the walls here basically of trying to just sit 483 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,100 and just the fact that this simple idea, this common-sense 484 00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:55,600 idea about what are we going to do? 485 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,100 When our health care workers? This year aren't going to be 486 00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:02,800 able to help the people coming in there and and you say that 487 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,600 and then the is not. Our government doesn't take heed 488 00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:11,700 the Israeli government. I mean, for first of all, if you 489 00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:14,500 do have the ear of the Israeli government, I've wanted to other 490 00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:19,300 things I'd love to I know I don't I don't necessarily have 491 00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:21,700 the year when I was gonna quit. Maybe it's coincidental that it 492 00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:24,300 came out after that. Yeah, well yeah. 493 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:27,500 I mean it's I mean, these are, this is and all of this is just 494 00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:31,000 common sense, you know? Let's, let's figure this out. 495 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,400 And instead, there's so much worried about how its message in 496 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,100 the office. There's a lot of emphasis on 497 00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:40,100 Optics and, and I'm quite concerned and the consequences. 498 00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:44,400 Remember, we've got 800,000 Americans have lost their lives. 499 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:45,700 We're going to, we're going to reach. 500 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:51,400 Each the million point by q1 next year now because not only 501 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,800 the messed up Healthcare System Health System but also the 502 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,000 Defiance Defiance around vaccine and the right-wing aggression 503 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,100 that we're getting from u.s. members of Congress and the 504 00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:05,900 conservativism I have not had covid or at least I don't think 505 00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:09,700 I have had it. Am I am I do. 506 00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:12,000 I have a bull's-eye. Ami is on the crown looking for 507 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:18,400 me because it needs hosts. And I'm, I'm not a bee Airbnb. 508 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,900 You know, for this virus so hit. When did you get your third? 509 00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:25,700 And he's in September, it's form for months. 510 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,100 Generals. So you are a risk. 511 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,000 So you are a risk for breakthrough covid. 512 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,800 Exactly how much that are can get another booster or another 513 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,600 shot right now, can I? Well, that's why I think that's 514 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,100 why I think we need to modify things to get a fourth 515 00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:44,100 immunization. So what the numbers coming out 516 00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:47,600 of Imperial College London. London based on virus 517 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,900 neutralizing, antibody levels. And people would say, well, 518 00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:53,900 there's also T cells involved, and of course, that's true as 519 00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:56,100 well. But the modeling they would say. 520 00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:59,400 Is if you're say three, four months out of your third 521 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,200 immunization, your protection against symptomatic, covid from 522 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,300 that boosters by 30 to 45 seconds. 523 00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:09,100 Left for me now. No, what do I do? 524 00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:12,000 I'm not, it's not illegal. That's another issue somewhere 525 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,400 in a vaccines. Or not, or not as are not as 526 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,100 durable. Durable that seems in holding up 527 00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:20,200 against protection, which is why we always worked on a new 528 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,500 technology. So I would, I would say it would 529 00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:27,100 stay in the house as what year advice would be for right now, 530 00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:32,000 or I think you should get a fourth immunization but we don't 531 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,300 have the infrastructure to allow the, that's the problem. 532 00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:38,800 So, you think at that, how many months after the booster we call 533 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,800 the booster shot? How many months after that 534 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,300 should we be thinking of giving people fourth shot? 535 00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:48,500 I think three four months so I'm right there on the cusp of that 536 00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:53,200 right now. Yeah, but again it's based on 537 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,500 limited data limited modeling and this is part of the problem 538 00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:02,400 that we've had with Cece and and then I H and every and all the 539 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,900 other federal agencies is they are not anticipatory enough, 540 00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:11,800 they have to it has to be a published paper through peer 541 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,000 review and everything else before they act on. 542 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,200 It and I understand that's worked in the past. 543 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,200 But when you're dealing with this fast, moving freight train 544 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,900 like Omicron, sometimes you have to make decisions on. 545 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,600 How do you feel about the preventative things that people 546 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,300 can do with their immune system in terms of zinc or vitamin D or 547 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:33,800 what's the other one? I heard of a CoQ10 something. 548 00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:38,900 I mean I take vitamin D. Prepend Amigos, vitamin D. 549 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,900 Yeah I think it maybe gives you some incremental benefit but 550 00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,100 it's still no substitute for arms control. 551 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,700 I want to just hear in our last part of this, get into something 552 00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:52,800 that you have. You bring this up constantly and 553 00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:55,300 you know, and I understand because people are worried about 554 00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:58,900 themselves when it gets close. When you have family members 555 00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:01,100 who've had covid-19 have had family members and friends, who 556 00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:04,100 died? And I, and I don't know, I can 557 00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:07,300 say that most people can name, people, they know that if died, 558 00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:12,900 I can certainly, I'm sure you can too, but eight hundred 559 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:15,700 thousand dead. You might know one or two of 560 00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:20,500 them and it's very sad. And you have though been trying 561 00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:23,600 to get us to think a little bigger and a little wider. 562 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,300 When it comes to the world, the planet that we live on because 563 00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:30,400 and I've heard you say this and I, and if this doesn't get 564 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,200 picked up and it must frustrate you. 565 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,700 Because because, and I say to people look at, we've got to get 566 00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:39,500 the world vaccinated here, you know, it can't just be us 567 00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:43,200 because and I try to appeal to their selfishness, like, you 568 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:49,700 know, that This, the first variant came possibly through 569 00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:54,500 China, but then through Italy in the UK then Delta, yes. 570 00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:59,700 Well, no then Alpha and Alpha rose out of an unvaccinated 571 00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:02,700 population in the United Kingdom and when he drank there and that 572 00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:06,500 was more transmissible than the original Mini also in India 573 00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:09,100 rate. And and we think on the crown is 574 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,800 right? But even before, even before 575 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,100 Delta Mother Nature says, hey, I'm going to throw you a curve. 576 00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:16,500 Although every few months and the curveball is going to look 577 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:20,000 like this, I'm going to give you a new variant, that's more 578 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,600 transmissible than the last one and it's going to arise out of 579 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,800 large unvaccinated. Populations, you motherfuckers 580 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,500 better vaccinate. So the first Alpha variant arose 581 00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:36,000 out of Southern England and in 2020, then Delta arose out of an 582 00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:40,800 unvaccinated population of Indian 2021. 583 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,100 And so I said well what what do people think? 584 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,500 Going to happen if we love the entire continent of Africa to 585 00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:50,100 remain on vaccinated Mother Nature. 586 00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:54,500 Just told us what she's going to do and that she's done it, you 587 00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:58,100 know, with Omicron and that was entirely self-inflicted. 588 00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:01,500 We could have prevented the emergence of our kind of had, we 589 00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:05,100 vaccinated the African continent and that's why, you know, if I 590 00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:08,800 sound agitated or irritated or whatever word, you want to use 591 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,900 this because John Berman on CNN. What's called me a Cassandra? 592 00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:18,900 I had to look up that, you know, faded to predict the future but 593 00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:20,600 faded to have no one listened to me. 594 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,000 So right, and that's exactly what happened. 595 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,600 So that's why we've been pushing so hard to say, you know, the 596 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,600 MRA technology is an interesting technology and this is the end 597 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,699 of ours technology, but we have a brand-new. 598 00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:36,600 Technology is any engineer will tell you. 599 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,900 It takes time to learn how to go from 0 to 9 billion. 600 00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:42,699 I don't know if it doesn't matter if it's mRNA or 601 00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:47,100 adenovirus or Newfangled widgets, there's that learning 602 00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:49,600 curve. We've got to technology that we 603 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,800 use deliberately because we make vaccines for the poor. 604 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,900 We make vaccines for parasitic disease. 605 00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:59,400 We meaning your we are surrounded by our Texas 606 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,500 Children's Center for vaccine development. 607 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,400 That's all we do. We just make low-cost vaccines 608 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,900 that could be made locally and I said we need to have a vaccine 609 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:12,300 like that if we're going to quickly vaccinate the world and 610 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:14,100 I just could not get anybody's attention. 611 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,700 So finally, we raised money on our own and we have to be here 612 00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:22,500 in Texas and New York. And now we have a recombinant 613 00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:26,000 protein vaccine that we've license with no patent, no, 614 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,000 strings attached to India. Indonesia Bangladesh, Botswana 615 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:35,300 the one in India is furthest along its, that's produced by an 616 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:38,300 amazing vaccine company. Called Your privately owned 617 00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:40,800 called biologically. They're not. 618 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,100 They've now made 140 million doses. 619 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,800 Isis, and they have a plan to make 300 million by next year. 620 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,400 The Indian government is done in advance purchase of 300 million. 621 00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:57,500 They can make a billion Doses. And and now, we're just waiting 622 00:35:57,500 --> 00:36:00,800 for the green light from the Indian Regulators for a bird's 623 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,100 useless thing, which should be hoping before the end of the 624 00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:08,100 year, maybe by next week and then and then follow 625 00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:10,000 accordingly. And that's what we need. 626 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,800 We need a vaccine that could and it's it's the same technology 627 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,300 used to make. Recombinant, hepatitis B vaccine 628 00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:18,300 which has been in use for four decades. 629 00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:21,600 People trusted parents have been giving it to their kids for four 630 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,300 decades. So we also had the emergency 631 00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:27,400 useless thing is for adults but we have clinical trials. 632 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,000 Now for kids that's what we need. 633 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,900 We need to get all the yes Global vaccines. 634 00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:36,400 But and but the but the frustration that I've had for 635 00:36:36,408 --> 00:36:40,700 the last two years has no help from the US government not even 636 00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:43,900 any intellectual curiosity about and no help from the G7 637 00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:44,700 countries. Entries. 638 00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:51,500 And so it was, you know, very frustrating to have to go out 639 00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:53,500 and raise the money privately, we did it. 640 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:55,600 But it's, you know, I often think if we had gotten a 641 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,200 fraction of the support, the Moderne got, we could have, 642 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,200 could potentially have the world vaccinated. 643 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,500 Well, that's a sad thought right there. 644 00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:08,600 I just so you're saying you don't you develop this vaccine 645 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,400 but but you don't have a patent for it. 646 00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:15,500 You're not you're not So who's getting rich off this? 647 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:16,400 That's right. We put it. 648 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,800 We put everything out in the public. 649 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,500 Domain is put it out there. Well, how do you put it? 650 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,300 Remember, remember, Jerry Rubin Steve this book, it's like 651 00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:25,500 Steve. I'll steal this Max. 652 00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:27,400 You want people just to take it, you've developed it. 653 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,500 It's yours and and it I assume it doesn't cost much to make. 654 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,800 Let's rethink. Its least expensive of all the 655 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:35,600 covid. Vaccines. 656 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,900 What we do to help, the we actually will provide them, the 657 00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:42,200 production cell bank, and we actually help in the code 658 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,800 development at her own expense. That's what we plan. 34 will 659 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,900 will help these companies that the biologically and India 660 00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:54,100 biopharma in Indonesia summer private summer public and septon 661 00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:58,100 Bangladesh and Immunity biome Botswana will help them with 662 00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:03,000 develop the assays co-develop will will you know, build help 663 00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:07,700 and training, whatever it takes because it seems like dr. 664 00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:12,500 Out is if we don't do this, the next one will be from some other 665 00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:17,100 country the first I'm you hear about it, you'll go oh that's in 666 00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:21,300 you know, that's in Pakistan. Well what the heck me? 667 00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:23,700 What if it turned out Mike I mean maybe we'll get a little 668 00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:27,100 bit lucky and Omicron will in turn out to be less severe than 669 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:29,400 Delta by. I'm still not confident about 670 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,600 that but what if the next one is like Omicron but much more 671 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,200 severe? What happens that? 672 00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:38,700 And, and so I think we're just playing with fire, and we've got 673 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:41,400 to take this very next one is more severe. 674 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,700 We're not ready for that, are we? 675 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,300 But we're not ready for this one. 676 00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:49,100 That's that's for sure. So so what can you leave us with 677 00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:54,000 in terms of and I don't want any hope IAM here, we want the truth 678 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,100 but I think the people listen to my podcast, the fact that we 679 00:38:59,107 --> 00:39:02,900 could have hundreds of thousands of people who finish listening 680 00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:06,100 to us and say to themselves, I want to do something. 681 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,200 I want to whatever that something is. 682 00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:12,800 We need to make this happen. We just don't want to sit around 683 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:18,100 and and we don't want to be just vaccinating ourselves because we 684 00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:22,100 need the whole world. Protected with this. 685 00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:25,000 So what what is it that we can do? 686 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,500 We the citizens we the civilians out here. 687 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:30,700 I think we all know what we need to do for ourselves, you just 688 00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:33,400 told me. I'm I need the fourth booster 689 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,600 now, so you know I'll I'll just go stand outside one of the 690 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,600 hospitals here with with as well and I want to be careful to I 691 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,500 mean you're not that I don't want to say that's a medical 692 00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:49,500 record, I understand because you know, I don't know what that 693 00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:52,300 because I haven't seen the data that Israel. 694 00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:54,900 Had to make the recommendation for 60 and older. 695 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,500 I feel comfortable enough for the healthcare recommendation, 696 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,500 to the federal government. But I don't know what that'll 697 00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:06,200 Israel's actually looking at for the, the 60 and older. 698 00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:10,500 But, but for the, but for the world, you know, the by the 699 00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:13,600 administration, the White House just put on Twitter today. 700 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,900 Maybe they made an actual press announcement that they've now up 701 00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:20,600 their donation to 300. In doses. 702 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,100 And they're very proud of them. They say the US government is 703 00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:28,600 donating more doses than anybody else in the world and again, 300 704 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,900 million. I don't want to call it a drop 705 00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:32,900 in the bucket because it's not, it's something but it's not nine 706 00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:36,300 billion. And And if every all the stars 707 00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:39,600 aligned our Texas, Children's Hospital Center for vaccine 708 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,100 development, will have matched the US government in terms of 709 00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:46,900 what it does. And I'm not saying that to say 710 00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:51,400 how great we are, I'm saying it's it's a problem that it Goes 711 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,100 to show you. If a small Research Institute in 712 00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:57,000 Texas, can do that, imagine what the US government could really 713 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,900 do, if it took that leadership. So I think that's one is get 714 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,900 getting the US government. Understand that this is a matter 715 00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:10,100 of national security to get the world vaccinated and and of 716 00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:13,500 course if you're willing to support us we have a have a 717 00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:19,000 donation page, the pin, the top of my Twitter or where you can 718 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,500 contact me. I'm going to put the The link to 719 00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:26,400 that here on my podcast site so people can find it and and and 720 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,300 donate. What else can people do though 721 00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:31,500 besides supporting your work, what can the average person do 722 00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:34,100 as they finish listening to this podcast? 723 00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:38,400 What can, what can they do today tomorrow after Christmas ever 724 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,600 before New Year's? It just seems like somebody 725 00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:43,700 needs to? Well, first of all, first of 726 00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:47,400 all, take care of your family, which means, which means 727 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,300 vaccinate vaccinate vaccinate by that, I mean, get your Our 728 00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:53,400 immunization. If you've not got make it your 729 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,800 booster, if you've not gotten it because two doses of this 730 00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,100 vaccine is not doing very much for symptomatic illness. 731 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,800 Second, if you've been infected and recovered, that's not going 732 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,700 to cut it because we're seeing a lot of Omicron reinfection. 733 00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:12,400 So the first death we had in Houston from Omicron with 734 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,900 someone who is infected and recovered and chose not to get 735 00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:17,600 vaccinated. So vaccinate on top of that, 736 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,800 that's going to be really key and vaccinate your kids. 737 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,800 So, so right now in each, I'll do five and up and get 738 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,400 vaccinated and we're not doing a good job, vaccinating their 739 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,700 kids. And and then once you've looked 740 00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:33,500 out for yourselves and your family and your loved ones, you 741 00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:37,600 know, usual love talking to your car, your member of 742 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:43,300 representative in Congress to push the United States, to work 743 00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:47,000 harder to vaccinate the world and support you can give up. 744 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,900 So I guess that. Yeah, most of our members of 745 00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:53,000 Congress are home. This week and next week in their 746 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,700 districts and that is a good idea to. 747 00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,600 They all have local offices call, right. 748 00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:07,100 Go there safely if you can but that needs to that needs to be 749 00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:10,700 done. Well, thank you for continuing 750 00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:14,900 to inform us about what's happening and thank you for the 751 00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:18,600 work. You do creating these vaccines 752 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,100 for people around the world. And not patenting it and not 753 00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:26,900 getting rich off it. It's, you know, any young people 754 00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:30,000 if you haven't heard the story of Jonas Salk and what he did 755 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,000 with the polio vaccine and and making it available to anybody 756 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,500 around the world who wanted to use it. 757 00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:38,100 This is what dr. Hood says in his his team are 758 00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:40,800 doing right now so thank you for that. 759 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,100 Thanks so much Michael and you know, thanks for your giving me 760 00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:47,900 a voice and being such a great Advocate and friend and 761 00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:52,700 colleague, I really value. So much, appreciate you and your 762 00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:55,700 team and you're just doing such extraordinary work. 763 00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:58,000 You have my undying at, thank you for that. 764 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,400 We all want to come out on the other side of this, okay alive. 765 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,100 And and maybe it's better people and treat ourselves and our 766 00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:08,500 fellow citizens and the people on this planet better. 767 00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:14,000 So I appreciate you being a leader in that and I encourage 768 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,600 everybody. Listening, follow the advice 769 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,800 here, get vaccinated. If you're not get the booster. 770 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,800 If you haven't gotten it, make sure your Whole family, and your 771 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,700 friends encourage them to do this. 772 00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:25,100 You love them. You want them to live. 773 00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:28,700 You don't want them to not be able to taste or smell anything 774 00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:32,400 for the next year that, you know, yes sure that you may 775 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:38,000 live, but you want to live, like live and, and so, all of that. 776 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,400 Thank you very much, dr. Peter hotez, and all the people 777 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,400 there with your operation there, in Houston, doing so much good 778 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,200 work. It's much appreciated, and I 779 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:54,800 hope you have a good Christmas or holiday, or whatever, here 780 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,800 with your family in the next few days. 781 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,300 Thanks so much Michael, and I appreciate it and I'm sure we'll 782 00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:03,900 be talking again. It's not like this problem is 783 00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:05,700 just going to be a No-No. We'll stay on top. 784 00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:09,500 We're all in this together and we'll stay on top of this and do 785 00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:12,200 what you have to do. Try to get five hours, sleep a 786 00:45:12,207 --> 00:45:18,100 night if you can and but keep informing, keep going on those 787 00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:20,400 networks. And letting people know the 788 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,100 truth. And And don't be afraid to say 789 00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:26,100 the things that we don't want to hear or the government doesn't 790 00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:30,100 want to hear. We write you know this distance 791 00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:33,900 a regular as a doctor. If you've if you've done tests 792 00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:36,200 on somebody and they come in they say well how did I do with 793 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,400 the MRI or the tests or whatever? 794 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,600 You're not saying to yourself. Now I want them to go out with a 795 00:45:41,607 --> 00:45:43,700 smile. So get it. 796 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,200 I'm going to tell them. Yeah yeah and and and it doesn't 797 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,400 help doesn't help the blood destruction of all I do is say 798 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,700 what a great job. They're doing if there's no 799 00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:54,800 every Administration, no one's perfect, right? 800 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,100 Everyone's going to have have failings and so there's a few 801 00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:00,400 pieces that need. Yes. 802 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,500 And they have to and I know people in the administration, 803 00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:06,600 listen to this podcast and they do have to fix it or not, not 804 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,400 getting it. No one's getting a pass on this. 805 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,400 And by the way, I'm in touch with that. 806 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,300 I mean, it's not like, I'm in touch with them. 807 00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:16,900 I I am and and I text them and they listened and and they're 808 00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:19,300 super simple. Some really smart people. 809 00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:22,300 You know, heading are National covid response. 810 00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:25,300 I think they're part of the problem is, they're trying to 811 00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:29,100 manage the very treacherous political landscape is so much 812 00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:32,700 extremism of the other side. And I think they let that 813 00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:36,700 sometimes affect their messaging and in a Waters, it down or a 814 00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:39,000 comes out as baby talk and I think that's not good. 815 00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:42,600 And, and they, you know, look, we know this about them that 816 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,200 they can admit a mistake, or they can say, you know what, we 817 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,000 need to up this, we need to reverse, we have the pivot, they 818 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,000 two weeks ago, they said, if you have student loans, you got 819 00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:54,900 Start repaying them in January and they heard from the American 820 00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:58,200 public. Don't do that to us during this 821 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,800 pandemic. And then, and then last night 822 00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:05,200 The by demonstration said, you know what, you don't have to 823 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,700 start paying him back in January. 824 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,000 We'll revisit this in May, that's what we need. 825 00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:13,200 That is the kind of leadership where you can say, okay, people 826 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,200 that okay that we, you know, what we can do better. 827 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,900 Yeah, that's that's right. Not be so dogmatic. 828 00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:19,800 And that happened with testing rights. 829 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,400 Remember Jen psaki a couple of weeks ago said, well, what do 830 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,400 you want me to do? Is what do you want us to do? 831 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,600 Give a home kit to every American and I was like, hell 832 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,000 yeah, that's exactly what watch, I love what you have. 833 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,000 I saw that and they bubble Coughing her head, you know, 834 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,800 hey, what do you want? What's gonna give a home kit to 835 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,500 everybody and then she wants a went back, and everybody who's 836 00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:41,400 watching the press conference said, Jen has a great idea. 837 00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:46,500 And then two weeks later it's there, the root of the wheels 838 00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:49,300 are rolling to do something like that, which is, which is the 839 00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:51,500 sign of, you know, a good Administration, right? 840 00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:56,000 You make mid-course adjustments. It's a sign of good, business 841 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,900 management practice, no matter what, and assign that, that we 842 00:47:58,900 --> 00:48:01,100 have some smart people in charge now. 843 00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:06,500 So, All right. Thank you be well, and stay with 844 00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:08,600 us. We'll have you back on again and 845 00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:12,700 we'll be looking for you on TV. And just everybody, listen to 846 00:48:12,707 --> 00:48:15,000 this. Also, if you can donate to what 847 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,200 they're doing down there to get this, these vaccines out to the 848 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,600 third world and it's all we have to. 849 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,100 We have to be operating on all tracks here and that's one of 850 00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:26,700 them. So, thank you very much dr. 851 00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:30,500 Peter hotez for coming back and being here in Rumble Michael. 852 00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:33,200 Thank you again. All right, take care in closing. 853 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,100 I just want to thank everybody for another year here of Rumble 854 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,200 for participating in this for sending me your thoughts or 855 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,600 ideas. It's going to see your thoughts 856 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,300 and prayers. It's kind of a hopeless 857 00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:49,100 Endeavor, but but thank you for that. 858 00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:51,900 If you are thinking, good thoughts about us and everybody 859 00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:56,000 else who's trying to do some work to get this country on 860 00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:01,400 track to, to get the was passed that we need to pass. 861 00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:06,800 It's been a rough month here, trying to move forward. 862 00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:10,900 We'll talk about that at the beginning of the coming year 863 00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:14,900 here, but for right now I just would be happy if you're happy 864 00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:20,800 and or as happy as one can be. During this time to be with your 865 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,600 friends and your family to be with your own self. 866 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:32,100 It's a great time right now. If you are alone to Writing. 867 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,700 Start your own podcast. Think about this. 868 00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:42,800 It's if all of us were doing something anything other than 869 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,500 just sitting around and being depressed. 870 00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:48,500 This is this is how we're going to make it. 871 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:55,000 We have no other choice, right? So so be good to yourself and my 872 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,500 thanks to our executive producer here bezel Hamden, our editor 873 00:49:59,500 --> 00:50:03,500 and sound engineer, Nick quas, our jack of all trades and Now 874 00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:05,600 official super spreader here in rumbled. 875 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:10,800 Donald Bornstein and everyone who has helped us to get Rumble 876 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,800 with Michael Moore on the air and stay on the air and have 877 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:19,300 watched it grow to now over 31 million downloads of this 878 00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:23,800 podcast since we started. So get your shots. 879 00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:26,400 Please, please. Please do. 880 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,100 This, is it easy to line one up right now? 881 00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:31,200 No, it's not. But that's why you have to be 882 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,300 persistent. It's so important. 883 00:50:35,900 --> 00:50:39,200 I need you healthy and Alive. All of us do. 884 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,800 This country needs you. So be well. 885 00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:50,800 Look forward to a brighter 2022. We are going to come out of 886 00:50:50,808 --> 00:50:54,700 this. Let's come out of it as I said 887 00:50:54,700 --> 00:51:00,400 earlier, as better people. To live in a better world that I 888 00:51:00,408 --> 00:51:05,100 know we have the potential to do that but we have to face the 889 00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:08,500 facts of what we are being confronted with right now. 890 00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:12,300 Thanks everybody. Merry Christmas. 891 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:18,400 Happy New Year. Happy Kwanzaa Happy Boxing Day. 892 00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:22,300 Don't go burning down any Christmas trees outside of Fox 893 00:51:22,300 --> 00:51:24,800 News. Come on, you know, they have a 894 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,300 right to have put up their fake tree. 895 00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:31,400 I love to put, I love the fact that the tree that burned was a 896 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,500 fake tree. Not a real Christmas tree, they 897 00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:37,900 gotta in front of fake news, they have the fake tree so leave 898 00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:39,200 it up. Don't touch it. 899 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,700 Don't, it's perfect, it's perfect. 900 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,000 All right everybody, I'll take care of me. 901 00:51:45,000 --> 00:52:02,300 Well, love you all talk soon. Next year. 902 00:52:44,300 --> 00:53:03,000 Someday soon, we all will be together until then we'll have 903 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,200 to muddle through somehow.