1 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,700 Everyone. This is Rumble with Michael 2 00:00:21,700 --> 00:00:23,600 Moore. I'm Michael Moore. 3 00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:27,900 Have you ever had just one of those weeks? 4 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,100 It's not the big things. It's sometimes just a hundred 5 00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:35,400 little things that don't go right, I'm sure. 6 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,400 I'm not telling you something you haven't already experienced 7 00:00:38,500 --> 00:00:43,800 many times maybe during the last couple in the half years but Oh, 8 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,600 you just reach a point where you want to watch cartoons or 9 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,600 something. And I don't know this last week 10 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,300 has been, it's been one of those weeks. 11 00:00:57,100 --> 00:01:01,400 The first thing that happened was that, you know, I've 12 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:06,300 actually taken fairly good care of myself during the pandemic. 13 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,800 I've lost 52 pounds but the reason why I'm not necessarily 14 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,500 happy about that, is that I'm pretty sure. 15 00:01:14,900 --> 00:01:17,600 Half of that has to be muscle. I've lost muscle. 16 00:01:17,900 --> 00:01:20,700 Probably a lot of us have lost muscle because we haven't used 17 00:01:20,700 --> 00:01:24,700 our muscles in the normal ways that we did back in normal 18 00:01:24,700 --> 00:01:26,400 times. And so, it was bothering me. 19 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,000 And I thought, you know, we really got to start. 20 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,500 Now, getting back to the gym and lifting some weights plus, I've 21 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:34,700 promised everybody on on my podcast that trumps not coming 22 00:01:34,700 --> 00:01:37,000 back. So I've got to be in fighting 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,500 shape here so. So I went to the gym for the 24 00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:44,900 first time in couple years, some, you know, lifting some 25 00:01:44,900 --> 00:01:48,700 weights and I'm doing some, you know, leg lifts and different 26 00:01:48,700 --> 00:01:53,200 things and I don't know what happened. 27 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,500 I slipped. I tripped. 28 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:57,300 I don't know. I don't know what happened. 29 00:01:57,300 --> 00:01:59,700 All I know is I started to go down. 30 00:02:00,700 --> 00:02:04,400 This is a this is an old-school kind of Jim. 31 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,500 This is not a frou-frou type place, it's got a cement floor. 32 00:02:08,500 --> 00:02:11,700 It's got you know those big truck tires that you got to lift 33 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:16,800 and flip over that kind of place and I started to go down, I 34 00:02:16,808 --> 00:02:19,400 could not believe it. I went straight down on my knee 35 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,800 caps, man, I don't know. I've ever had that happen to 36 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:29,300 you, but it looks the most pain. And my brain is going fall, the 37 00:02:29,300 --> 00:02:32,300 rest of the way, don't stay on your knees like that because 38 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:37,000 they've just gone on to a very hard cement Type surface floor. 39 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,800 And so, I just decided to tip over the rest rest of the way 40 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:46,100 and Bam. My head crashed right on the 41 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,900 cement floor. I should, I did it did have sort 42 00:02:48,900 --> 00:02:53,500 of a like a little thin rubber. Thing on the cement, but 43 00:02:53,500 --> 00:02:56,700 basically it was you know it was hard enough. 44 00:02:56,700 --> 00:03:01,000 So when my head hit the floor, you could hear the crack of my 45 00:03:01,100 --> 00:03:05,200 head across the gym and people ran over. 46 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,800 I'm going on. I'm okay, I'm okay. 47 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:15,200 Step away from the fall and Guy. Wow, I just couldn't believe it. 48 00:03:15,500 --> 00:03:18,100 I was okay. I just do like the next day, I 49 00:03:18,100 --> 00:03:22,300 was going to be a lot of pain, which I was my forehead was kind 50 00:03:22,300 --> 00:03:24,500 of cut up. You know, I legs were pretty 51 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:28,500 mangled from landing on my knees like that but I didn't break 52 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:32,000 anything. Didn't have a concussion. but I 53 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,900 also, you know, I thought Maybe I wasn't paying attention, 54 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:40,100 getting up from the bench, doing whatever it was, I don't 55 00:03:40,100 --> 00:03:44,000 whatever it was, I did. And part of that is because my 56 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:50,700 mind is elsewhere. and, before this happened in the in this 57 00:03:50,700 --> 00:03:53,900 last week, before that I was kind of down and sad over the 58 00:03:53,900 --> 00:04:00,900 fact that I lost a good friend and mentor and somebody who has 59 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:13,900 stood with me for over 25 years. I'm going to take a minute to 60 00:04:13,900 --> 00:04:16,500 thank our Underwriters for this podcast of mine. 61 00:04:16,500 --> 00:04:19,899 I'm very grateful and then I'm going to come back. 62 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,500 I'm happy to share with you that this podcast is being sponsored 63 00:04:24,500 --> 00:04:26,400 by better help. Thank you. 64 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:29,100 That our help for supporting my voice and supporting this 65 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:31,400 episode of Rumble. 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His name was Mort janklow and he 128 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,200 was also my literary agent or book agent. 129 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:30,400 And it was his job to try to get what I wrote out to as many 130 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,400 millions of people as possible and that he did, but he was also 131 00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:41,400 kind of a zen master Guru person that could talk to about things 132 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:47,600 going on in the world and in his role as my book agent, he has 133 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:52,100 stood by me during times when those who would try to get in 134 00:08:52,108 --> 00:08:54,600 the way of me saying what I wanted to say. 135 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:01,300 He would stand up for me. He was 91, he passed away here 136 00:09:01,300 --> 00:09:05,700 just before Memorial Day. So he'd had a long and good life 137 00:09:05,700 --> 00:09:11,200 and wonderful, wife and kids and just kind of quietly told his 138 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,800 wife, he was going to lay down, go to sleep. 139 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:23,700 And, and that he did Back in nam 2001, he'd got me in a book deal 140 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:29,700 to write a book about the first year of George w--, Bush. 141 00:09:29,700 --> 00:09:33,000 And my thoughts about that, and a whole bunch of other things. 142 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,300 It was called stupid, white men turned out, not to be that much 143 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:38,900 about Bush. Although he was in it, it was 144 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:43,200 about a whole bunch of things over Decades of me living life 145 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:49,300 on this planet as a white guy. And what I have seen my my 146 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:53,100 gender and my people of my race do. 147 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,000 And so I just let it all out but the deal was with harpercollins 148 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,800 which unfortunately I portray we should put some thought into 149 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,600 this ahead of time. Was a publishing company is a 150 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:07,000 publishing company owned by Rupert Murdoch and they said the 151 00:10:07,008 --> 00:10:09,600 publishing date publishing date. Meaning the day, it's in book 152 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,400 stores and they printed the first 50,000 copies and sent it 153 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,300 to you know, hundreds thousands of bookstores. 154 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,400 Around the country. And it was to go on sale on 155 00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:25,900 September 11th, 2001 and of course, we know what happened on 156 00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:30,800 that day and by noon Harper Collins had called, or sent 157 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,000 messages or whatever, to all these bookstores around the 158 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,700 country, telling them to pull my book off the shelves. 159 00:10:37,300 --> 00:10:39,100 And they called me and they let me know they were doing that. 160 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:43,700 And they just thought, you know, why do you know why why why have 161 00:10:43,700 --> 00:10:46,100 this be the publishing date? You know, let's just pull it 162 00:10:46,100 --> 00:10:50,300 till we find out what's going on in the world things calm down. 163 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,100 It made sense to me, you know? I mean, obviously, I was in no 164 00:10:54,100 --> 00:11:00,200 mood to go out on a book tour that day or Any of the other 165 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,500 things they had planned. So week went by, and two weeks, 166 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:08,200 and by that a month went by, and it's like what's going to happen 167 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:14,100 with the book when you put it in back in the bookstores and they 168 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:19,500 called me and Mort into their headquarters in New York. 169 00:11:20,900 --> 00:11:24,700 And Madison Avenue to tell us that they felt like, they could 170 00:11:24,700 --> 00:11:29,000 not put out a book attacking the president of the United States 171 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,600 during a time like this. And they would like me to 172 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,300 rewrite about a third of the book and tone it down. 173 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:39,000 Those are the keywords tone it down. 174 00:11:39,700 --> 00:11:43,200 And then the Humana me, a copy of the book with all the parts 175 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,600 marked, it read that they want to take it out. 176 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,000 I mean, it was just page after page, after page of let's say a 177 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,100 third of the page, some pages, completed the whole page just 178 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:59,300 gone. I remember saying to them using 179 00:11:59,300 --> 00:12:05,200 the line that the bush in the others and Empower like to use, 180 00:12:05,300 --> 00:12:07,900 if you give in to the terrorists, done it, that means 181 00:12:07,900 --> 00:12:13,000 the terrorists win. So you're asking me in a free 182 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,600 country to censor myself and take this out and take that out 183 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:22,600 and put something that's not so harsh against George w--. 184 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:30,800 Bush. And as I was saying to them 185 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:33,100 across the table, that that's not going to happen. 186 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:38,500 Mort pipes in it just says, he's not, he's not change it a 187 00:12:38,500 --> 00:12:43,900 goddamn thing. Because nothing has changed 188 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,700 except Everything Has Changed making his point. 189 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,100 Why we need changing this kind of, he just went on, it was so 190 00:12:52,300 --> 00:12:56,300 eloquent and I'm making I'm using this Gruff voice. 191 00:12:57,100 --> 00:12:59,300 I do, I still do after all these years, I don't have a very good 192 00:12:59,300 --> 00:13:05,400 New Yorker voice. But so we left there at kind of 193 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,300 a stalemate because they are not going to put the 50,000 copies 194 00:13:08,300 --> 00:13:10,300 that they had already printed it to the book stores, they had 195 00:13:10,300 --> 00:13:12,300 pulled it back from the bookstores and now they were in 196 00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:15,900 a warehouse or whatever. This is like a month after 9/11. 197 00:13:17,100 --> 00:13:19,600 It's a while, you should think about it because we're not 198 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,000 putting this book out. So there wasn't much to think 199 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,300 about, I just didn't know what to do for the next month. 200 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:30,600 I was like, for this point, we're in November and I'm 201 00:13:30,608 --> 00:13:33,400 putting the book out more, you know, it's threatening them, I 202 00:13:33,408 --> 00:13:35,700 have a contract with them, etc, etc. 203 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:43,100 And on a November 30th, 2001, my editor there, nice guy. 204 00:13:44,700 --> 00:13:50,300 Called me up and said well the people here the corporate 205 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:56,300 honchos have decided that not only are they not going to put 206 00:13:56,300 --> 00:14:00,800 the book out. Now they're going to pulp pulp, 207 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:03,900 I never heard that word in that way before are going to pull, 208 00:14:03,900 --> 00:14:07,500 Paul 50,000 copies, they printed meaning, they were going to 209 00:14:07,500 --> 00:14:13,000 recycle them into I guess, new paper. 210 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:20,200 For new books. And I was like, I was 211 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:21,800 speechless, I didn't know what to say. 212 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,800 I called Mort they told him alone. 213 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:29,000 What are we going to do? And he says, we'll have a plan, 214 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,600 don't worry. Just I said, I know I'm supposed 215 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,000 to go out and speak at Rutgers tomorrow, they're having a 216 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Labour conference. They want me to come out and 217 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,100 give a talk and I don't want to do that. 218 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:39,800 No, no. You should go do it, go do it. 219 00:14:40,700 --> 00:14:43,000 So I did the next day. It was a Saturday December 220 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,500 first. Remember thinking a day always 221 00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:48,900 think on December 1st. That's the De Rosa Parks. 222 00:14:48,900 --> 00:14:56,500 Refused to give up her seat on the Montgomery Bus and I went 223 00:14:56,500 --> 00:14:58,900 out to Rutgers and I took a copy. 224 00:14:58,900 --> 00:15:02,800 I had an advance copy of the book and I said, you know, I was 225 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,100 supposed to talk about something here today but I'm I'm so 226 00:15:06,100 --> 00:15:11,200 distraught because harpercollins is going to pulp every copy of 227 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,100 my book that they've printed just going to turn it into 228 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:16,100 waste. And then recycle it. 229 00:15:17,300 --> 00:15:19,700 So you may be the only people that get to hear anything from 230 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:21,100 this book. If you don't mind instead of 231 00:15:21,100 --> 00:15:25,300 giving a talk, I'd rather. If I could read a chapter 22 and 232 00:15:25,300 --> 00:15:30,400 they applauded in, and I did that and I didn't know that in 233 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,200 the back of the room, there was a librarian. 234 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:36,100 Why would I know there's a librarian at the back of the 235 00:15:36,100 --> 00:15:41,300 room. There's a librarian and she 236 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:44,300 heard this whole thing and she went home and went online and 237 00:15:44,300 --> 00:15:47,700 got into a librarian, chat room and told all these other 238 00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:53,000 Librarians, that harpercollins is Is going to destroy literally 239 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:59,100 destroy my book. And a few days later, I get a 240 00:15:59,100 --> 00:16:05,900 call from some executive at Harper Collins. 241 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:09,400 I can't remember now who it was have, put so much of this out of 242 00:16:09,408 --> 00:16:13,400 my head screaming at me. What'd you tell the Librarians? 243 00:16:14,500 --> 00:16:18,200 What, what did you say to the Librarians? 244 00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:20,500 I said, I don't know any Librarians, I don't know what 245 00:16:20,500 --> 00:16:22,800 you're talking about. Well, there's like a hundred of 246 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,600 them outside the are building here. 247 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:29,000 Pick it in us saying that we've banned your. 248 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,200 How do they know we've banned your? 249 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,500 We didn't ban your book. You refuse to rewrite it. 250 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,900 I said, look, you made your decision. 251 00:16:36,900 --> 00:16:39,500 Why are you bothering me? I don't know anything about any 252 00:16:39,500 --> 00:16:42,200 Librarians. Well, their picket got in 253 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,500 Publishers Weekly than the New York Times. 254 00:16:44,500 --> 00:16:48,900 And all of a sudden, everybody knew that harpercollins was 255 00:16:48,900 --> 00:16:52,500 going to pulp, destroy my book and learn. 256 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:55,000 And not let the American people or anybody around the world, 257 00:16:55,000 --> 00:17:02,000 read it and the editorials began against harpercollins and more 258 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,000 protests and finally, they called Morton and me back over 259 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:12,500 to the building and and said, Okay, on the oath. 260 00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:16,300 There was the Mordecai was at the head of the table. 261 00:17:17,700 --> 00:17:20,200 You knew him because he had the Australian accent. 262 00:17:22,300 --> 00:17:25,099 It's okay, you win. They said, to me, you win. 263 00:17:25,900 --> 00:17:27,900 Here's the deal. We're going to put the book back 264 00:17:27,900 --> 00:17:31,600 in the bookstores, but we're not putting any more copies that 265 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,200 50,000, that's it. And there's there will be no 266 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:40,200 book tour will not spend one dime on Advertising, will put 267 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,100 them in the store. That's it. 268 00:17:42,100 --> 00:17:43,500 That's, we're done. We're done with you. 269 00:17:43,500 --> 00:17:48,600 We're done with the book. Good riddance one of them said 270 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,800 to me, what kind of book career? Do you think you're going to 271 00:17:50,808 --> 00:17:54,200 have after this who's gonna want to publish you? 272 00:17:55,100 --> 00:17:58,100 You're such trouble who would want this trouble? 273 00:17:59,300 --> 00:18:03,400 So maybe you should have thought of that, you know more you're 274 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,300 going to have a difficult time trying to get him a another book 275 00:18:07,300 --> 00:18:10,300 deal. So we laughed and they set the 276 00:18:10,300 --> 00:18:13,400 publication date and I think it was the first first or second 277 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:18,300 Tuesday of February of 2002. So the book came out on that day 278 00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:25,900 on the Tuesday and by Friday They were already in their ninth 279 00:18:25,900 --> 00:18:30,300 printing of the book. It was selling out so fast every 280 00:18:30,300 --> 00:18:33,600 day in bookstores across the country, they couldn't keep up 281 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:39,500 with it. It eventually had geez. 282 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,900 Something like 60, some printings. 283 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,500 It was on the New York Times, bestseller list. 284 00:18:45,700 --> 00:18:52,000 Well, it was number 14, geez. I don't know. 30 weeks, 25 30 285 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,000 weeks and then it stayed on there for 69 weeks as the 286 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,200 hardcover that when the paperback came out I mean it 287 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,700 just it sold millions and millions of copies sold a 288 00:19:01,700 --> 00:19:05,200 million copies just in Germany it's sold a million copies just 289 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,400 in the UK. I mean it's literally millions 290 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,700 around the world. Got to read stupid white men. 291 00:19:12,100 --> 00:19:14,300 This book that they said, they'd never print another copy. 292 00:19:14,300 --> 00:19:16,800 Of course, I don't need to explain to you. 293 00:19:17,500 --> 00:19:21,200 One of the beauties of capitalism is the What's the old 294 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,400 line that the capitalists will sell you the rope to hang 295 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,900 himself with if they believe they can make a buck off it? 296 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,100 They don't really care what you're saying. 297 00:19:29,500 --> 00:19:32,400 You can attack, Bush all you want, if they're selling 298 00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:37,400 millions of copies of a book, just the irony often sometimes 299 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,100 works in our favor because ultimately, any business. 300 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:42,300 That's, that's what they care about, right? 301 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,500 The do re me man, but if I hadn't had more janklow, I don't 302 00:19:47,500 --> 00:19:48,900 know. I don't know if I would have 303 00:19:48,900 --> 00:19:52,800 gotten through this. This he's considered was 304 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,800 considered the probably the top book agent in the country. 305 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,400 Certainly. In New York, most of his clients 306 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,500 were all these people that were not like me. 307 00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:06,600 They were, you know, Danielle Steel, and Judith crayons and 308 00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:13,600 Anne Rice, and he was also the book agent for Jimmy Carter, The 309 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,300 Pope. And then he had a few of us 310 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:21,200 Renegades and Gore Vidal, myself and others. 311 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,900 But all through the pandemic, he checked in with me at least 312 00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:28,200 every other month I heard from. How's the new book coming? 313 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:32,700 Are you doing semi chapters? You know, it's just never 314 00:20:32,700 --> 00:20:37,200 stopped his support and even though he had sort of semi 315 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,300 retired from his own company, he made it clear that he was still, 316 00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:46,800 he was still my literary agent. Just a couple weeks before he 317 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,400 died. He sent me an e-mail. 318 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:50,500 Just checking in. How you doing? 319 00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:59,800 I holding up and And I remember being really busy that day that 320 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:04,600 week and, you know, I put it in the queue to respond to them and 321 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,100 of course I didn't in time and he died. 322 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,300 And I think we've all had that feeling right? 323 00:21:13,300 --> 00:21:16,400 With people, we've lost you want that last conversation? 324 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,100 You want. You want that last? 325 00:21:19,100 --> 00:21:22,400 I don't know, whatever that is. It's, this is not an unusual 326 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:28,200 thing but Mighty good to have that last go around that last 327 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,300 talk. That You know, his take on, 328 00:21:32,300 --> 00:21:36,700 what's going on in the world. So always so fascinating to me. 329 00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:45,000 And, and you know, when you, when you do the things I do, you 330 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,500 need people in your corner that are going to fight for you 331 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:52,200 because the system is set up to make sure my voice isn't heard. 332 00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:57,700 Just like for many of you it would be they don't want to hear 333 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:00,700 from us. Of course they don't they should 334 00:22:00,700 --> 00:22:06,600 they, you know, we're out we're not here to put a bandaid on 335 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:11,300 things. We want real change and we want 336 00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:17,100 it now. And and I've had a few of these 337 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:21,700 individuals like more, janklow who would stand with me, no 338 00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:28,400 matter what, no matter what I have the same thing to with my, 339 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,300 my agent. They're in for my films and TV 340 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:37,100 Hollywood stuff. You know, are a manual Is that 341 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:39,900 kind of person he just Fahrenheit 9/11. 342 00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:43,400 There would have saw the light of day and he not been willing 343 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,100 to go on the record with the New York Times to tell them how 344 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:50,600 Disney which owned Miramax at that time refused to release my 345 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,600 film because they didn't want to upset the governor of Florida 346 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,200 because they were going to expand Disney World down there 347 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,000 and they want to get tax breaks and all that. 348 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,700 And so, they were going to kill my film about Bush, because Jeb 349 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:06,800 Bush was the governor Thinking about that last month with the 350 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,200 Santos going after Disney. It's like like how many things 351 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,000 have just kind of flipped on their head during this time 352 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:20,300 we're in right now? But if you are able to see a 353 00:23:20,308 --> 00:23:25,300 movie of mine or read a book or somehow I'm on television, trust 354 00:23:25,300 --> 00:23:26,900 me. It wasn't easy. 355 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,000 There was a lot of rigmarole that I and others went through 356 00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:33,300 just so that you could hear my voice. 357 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,700 I've written a little bit about it in my in my books. 358 00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:40,300 And I've talked a little bit about it on this podcast, but I 359 00:23:40,308 --> 00:23:45,600 think someday here, I'm going to share Some of these stories that 360 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,600 are just wood, I don't think it'll make your head spin 361 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,500 because you would probably go of course. 362 00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:56,000 You know, they why are they even letting him say anything? 363 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:06,500 Hmm. My best to Mort's, wife Linda, 364 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,000 she's, they've been married since I think the 1950s, 1908 365 00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:17,000 50s, early 60s, wonderful, people, Linda's. 366 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,900 Father was Mervyn Leroy, who was the producer of The Wizard of Oz 367 00:24:22,300 --> 00:24:26,200 and a director of number of films back in the 30s and 40s. 368 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:29,400 And her grandfather is Harry Warner. 369 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,100 One of the five Warner Brothers and the story's just having a 370 00:24:33,108 --> 00:24:35,800 lunch or dinner with them. And just those the stories of 371 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,500 old Hollywood and just incredible information and 372 00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:45,200 inspiration for this great art form known as the cinema. 373 00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:51,300 But more, it was in my life to help me get my books out there. 374 00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:56,000 Give me the right publisher and So, I've had what is, I've had 375 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,700 82. I think eight books, I've 376 00:24:57,700 --> 00:25:03,000 written, and in some part, thanks to his encouragement and 377 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,700 to his battling for getting what I needed to get in the stores, 378 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:12,400 to get out to the people, all eight of those books ended up on 379 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,700 the New York Times. Bestseller list. 380 00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:18,300 I'm grateful to him for that, but I'm more grateful for just 381 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:23,900 the the company that I got to keep with him and what I got to 382 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:26,000 learn. Learn about this world, the 383 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,300 other parts of the world. The peek behind the curtain that 384 00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:31,100 growing up in a factory. Family in Flint Michigan would 385 00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:36,200 never give you And to be able to learn that and deal with it. 386 00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:39,300 And they have somebody Stand By Your Side. 387 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:49,400 It's a very powerful thing. so, my condolences and my love my 388 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,200 best, to Linda, his widow, his two kids who are not kids 389 00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:57,800 anymore. It's, I don't know. 390 00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:01,100 There are other people that I've known other friends that have 391 00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:03,600 died during the pandemic because of the pandemic. 392 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,000 And that's been difficult. We lost a lot of creative 393 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,600 people. A lot of people in the Arts and 394 00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:17,700 so whoever we are coming out of this pandemic, they won't be 395 00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:21,600 forgotten and they will live on in US. 396 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,900 In the work we do. And we move forward. 397 00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:39,900 I feel today tonight that I've lost, I don't know how to put 398 00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:45,100 this. I'm a little less protected. 399 00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:51,000 I don't mean to make this about myself, but, you know more, he 400 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,700 was only five days away from his 92nd birthday anyway. 401 00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:58,800 He was still working. He has his assistant told me 402 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,100 that he had before. I went to bed that night and he 403 00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:04,900 passed away. He watched two documentaries. 404 00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:12,400 He was just such a, he was so smart and he could outsmart all 405 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,000 the bad people. And now, what do I do? 406 00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:20,100 Hmm. Well, you know, I'm over the age 407 00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:23,300 now where I've seen enough and I've learned enough and I know 408 00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:26,900 how to how to fight the good fight, how not to give up. 409 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:33,300 And to look for people where I can help them, I could help 410 00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:36,800 protect them. I could help get their movies 411 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,600 made or their books published or whatever. 412 00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:43,400 So all good will come of this. But I'm just a personal level. 413 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:49,900 I think as I wrap this up, I'm just sitting here thinking, you 414 00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:57,800 know, of this loss, I guess and And So It Goes. 415 00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:08,500 All right. My friends. 416 00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:11,000 Thanks for letting me share all that with you. 417 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,600 I'm okay, I hope you're okay. I really hope you're okay 418 00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:18,500 because we don't have another Choice here. 419 00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:22,000 Terms of what we have to do. So be well. 420 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:29,800 Treat yourself well. Thanks to my producer and 421 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,800 editor, Angela bar goes and thanks to all of you. 422 00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:31,900 Thanks to my producer and editor, Angela bar goes and 423 00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:32,800 thanks to all of you.