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With this coronavirus. This is Rumble and I am Michael
Moore. Welcome everyone.
A new report by the World. Health Organization has
confirmed what we should already know.
Maybe some of you have seen this coming But covid cases once
again are on the rise and I mean, a sharp rise in the last
couple of weeks. We are still in the middle of
this pandemic and we have a long ways to go to get out of it.
Those of you who've been following me and found listen to
this podcast for the last year. Or so, when we began just before
covid hit, and in the days and weeks, after covid, I started
talking about this. And even before the lockdown and
we had Different scientists, doctors, Etc.
I talked to them. A couple of them came on this
podcast. I remember dr.
Zeke Emanuel, who was a top doctor?
At one point at the NIH saying that this is actually going to
be a three to four year pandemic and I was like what and he said
no this is going to be a three to four year pin Demi.
This is a virus we haven't seen and you know, we've seen things
similar Maybe Maybe, but not this.
And I remember thinking at the time, well, I'm glad he said it
because I hadn't heard anybody say that, but I thought, man,
he's going to be in trouble. Nonetheless talking here last
night to some family about you realize that as crazy as that
might have sounded a year. And four months ago, five months
ago that we are only five months away.
The first covid case was It was known that we knew about in
December of nineteen. We're only five months away from
that. Let me put it this way.
We're five months away from entering year three.
Of the pandemic and I'm like, wait, I can make it be that his
mind that long has it. I'll just do the math, right?
December of nineteen to December of twenty.
There is your 1, December, 22, December 21 which is coming up.
That's the end of year 2 and that means your three starts.
I have been saying on this podcast for some time that more
we stick our heads in the sand on this because we just want to
hear good news. We want to get the kids back to
school, all these things. We're just sick and tired of
wearing masks, all this stuff is going to be our undoing because
we're uncomfortable or unhappy. And therefore I want to be happy
and I want to be at the Ballpark and I want to be at the beach
and I want to I want to be out with human beings.
That's is all very understandable. and I feel the
same way that all of you feel and yet, if we're still in the
middle of this, We hear about these new variants, we say to
ourselves. Oh, that's an India we're safe.
We're okay here because we got vaccines and we've been doing
the right thing and all this or that's in Brazil.
But this started because That's in.
Well, that's in Wuhan. I mean I fairly well read.
I've never heard of the city of Wuhan It's got a population
that's like, 50, 50 to 70 percent larger than New York
City and never heard of it. How did it get from Wuhan to
where I live? In northern Michigan?
In a rural area of Northern? How are people getting covid?
We've looked at this, the wrong way and we have this sort of
American exceptionalism things that we've got some kind of Game
of Thrones, you know, wall around us, protecting us
ignorance. Ignorance.
Historically leads to one's end. An end intelligence and
information and science that leads us to a better place.
So I will continue to be an advocate for this.
And we scrapped what we were going to do on today's podcast
because I wanted to Dive Right into this without fear and talk
about what we may be in the middle of.
And what may be coming at us, like a Mack truck, just months
down the road. And I want to talk about our
American way of looking at this and not understanding.
How what happens to the rest of world happens to us and what
happens to us happens to the rest of the world and to divorce
ourselves from, that is, maybe our biggest crime because we are
only causing and will cause more death.
Not not just here, but around the world and and there has been
one person amongst a few others and I've had them here on the
podcast. These wonderful doctors one
person who's been trying to tell us something and and it and it's
about Our connection to the world and it's about what we
need to do. In terms of getting people
vaccinated, and fighting the forces that are out there that
have convinced way too many millions of Americans not to get
vaccinated. So this new report from the
World Health Organization, and the increases over the last
couple of weeks, we now have nearly a half a million new
cases. That have been reported each day
in the last seven days, ending on July 18th and it's because of
this rise of the Delta variant. And it's now spread to 124
countries. In addition to the Delta variant
were also dealing with the global pandemic of
misinformation disinformation about vaccines and about
everything else related to Public Health.
And as businesses have now opened up the summer and schools
are planning to open up in a few weeks.
The months ahead may get very ugly and sadly.
Very deadly do not turn off this podcast by friends.
You need to hear what we're going to talk about one of the
few people fighting this. Pandemic of it of
misinformation. We have many great doctors and
scientists fighting the pandemic, but we have a few who
are also fighting the pandemic of misinformation, and that is
our guest here today on Rumble, dr.
Peter hotez. He is the co-director of the
center for vaccine development at Texas Children's Hospital.
And he is the dean of the national school of tropical
medicine at Baylor College of Medicine.
His latest book is preventing the next pandemic vaccine.
Diplomacy in a time of anti-science.
I'm very pleased to welcome him to rumble for the first time.
Welcome dr. Hotez.
That's very kind introduction. Michael, thank you so much.
Well you are working on this on so many levels.
First of all, the vaccine Center that you and the other doctors
are working on. There's this great piece in
Texas, monthly hear of this past month about what you guys are
doing to create a vaccine that can especially get to the third
to third world countries. That is not who Burr expensive.
And, and you all seem to have from my reading of this, this
sort of Jonas, Salk approach to you are not doing this to become
multimillionaires. You are doing this to save
lives. So you're right.
I'm a vaccine scientist and and co-head the center for vaccine
development, at Texas Children's with my science partner for the
last 20 years, Marilyn de potosí and I've devoted my got my MD
and PhD New York in the 80s to develop vaccines for parasitic
infections of the poor. But around 10 years ago.
We adopted a coronavirus vaccine program because nobody cared
about coronavirus vaccines back then and and we started
developing vaccines for SARS and Mayors and and now covid-19.
So we've developed what we think is going to be one of the first
low-cost people's vaccine for covid-19, and we did not file
patents. We put everything out in the
public domain. We've licensed it now to India.
To Indonesia were South Africa. And the hope is that it'll fill
the Gap because, you know everybody so focused on
Innovation that nobody really cared about developing a durable
vaccine that could I would actually be widely distributed
and in on the African continent where no one's being vaccinated
right now or South America or Central or South East Asia.
So, that's very exciting. What you and dr.
Both have done In terms of here, you are, I got to be honest, I
didn't even, I didn't even know that you were working on this
you and her, and your other partners there.
And that your that that that's gone through a number of Trials
already in other countries, the efficacy rate so far what they
found is around 85% and, you know, that's right up there
with, you know, next to Pfizer and Journal and you done this in
and then you said you're not going to file for a patent that
you want to get this out there to people that no one in Africa
is getting vaccinated. India is having a horrible
problem, other poor countries. I just I'm sorry to interrupt
and I want you to go back to what you were saying but I just
wanted to say thank you, thank you for doing that.
And thank you for doing it for all the right reasons.
No judgment against anybody who's doing it for the wrong
reasons. Because if you've done it and
you save lives, I kind of don't care at the moment.
Ain't but, but but I, but I do want to point out that there are
people like you and others there at Baylor and, and elsewhere
there, and who you're working around the clock to try and save
lives in countries where they don't have the money to save
lives. And that only is that righteous.
For those for you doing that for those countries, but for
Americans who need to hear this, it helps us to because there's
no such thing as a borderlines, country's borders with a
pandemic. And if we don't have that
through her thick skulls, right now, we are never going to get
rid of this that we are all connected on this planet to
this. Thank you.
We're going to continually be besieged by variance.
I mean, one of the reasons although the Practical reason we
don't file patents as it's expensive as hell and Were, you
know, a non-profit doing this in an academic Health Center.
So if I have a hundred thousand dollars, I'd rather hire a top
scientist rather than you know, waste money, filing foreign
patent, filing fees. And and so, we've one of the
things that we're trying to explore is there's no road map
here because we're making the vaccines nobody else will make.
And what does that mean when you say that?
Well, you know, we reference is, we have a vaccine for sha Gus
disease, which is a disease, These of the world of the 67
Port, 67 million, poorest people in Latin America or it's just
Assam Isis. Female genital schistosomiasis
is a disease of 40 million girls and women and live in extreme
poverty and Africa. No one else will make that
vaccine. So we're trying to Pioneer this
concept not only the science which is really cool and
interesting but also see if there's a sustainable business
model out there that can allow you to make and develop these
vaccines. And I think for me that's one of
Hardest parts is is trying to raise the funding and Pioneer
that model. I when I'm, you know, I'm often
after I give a lecture pre-pandemic, I'd be of a little
line of young people come up to me saying, they want to go into
Global health and they'd often be profoundly disappointed.
When I told totally get an MBA and help us figure out what the
sustainable Finance model is. And and I think there's one out
there, we that's the part. I haven't don't have the skill
set to figure out yet but we've done pretty well.
We've gotten a lot of vaccines at the clinical trials from
Discovery and now this covid vaccine we hope will be released
for emergency use authorization. What is it?
What is the name of this? Your vaccine that you have been
working on the covid? Well it's you know it's reaching
for us it's just a Texas Children's vaccine.
But the one what we license to biologically which is one of the
big vaccine producers and India are like serum Institute.
They call it Corby, vax cor Beva X and we'll see what Tunisia,
calls it. And and one of the frustrations
that I've had with the bind Administration is, you know,
they really have not taken ownership of this issue.
You know, they are willing to donate 200 million doses of
Pfizer by and Tech vaccine this year and 60 million of
AstraZeneca. And they've done some patent
waivers which may be in the long term will have some impact.
But you know let's look at the scope of this.
You have a billion people in sub-Saharan Africa. 650 million
people in Latin America, another half a billion people in the
poor. Look poorest low-income
countries of Southeast Asia. That's, you know, three billion
due to three billion people. We need six billion doses of
vaccines, and that's the problem.
Nobody's, stepping up and having this Frank accounting, and
discussion with the American people or people globally
saying, hey, we need six billion doses of covid, vaccine, and we
need it now. We can't wait till next year,
Delta. Aryan is accelerating throughout
this, the global South throughout the Southern
Hemisphere. And here we are.
We have this vaccine. That's we think we can do for
dollar dollar. Fifty a dose at least expensive,
looks really promising. There's no end to what you can
make because it's a recombinant protein, vaccine expressed in
yeast. The same technology used to make
the hepatitis B vaccine that's used in made all over the world.
No make it, you know, I want the Biden Administration. to say,
you know what this, you know all of our early research was done
with NIH funding, I said you know take ownership of this and
find a big vaccine producer and make 5 billion doses of it and
stop with the you know piddling donations and nobody wants to
own this thing and I just can't understand it and and you know
is a hundred trillion dollar economy and you know, we're
sitting there like you know, around the lunch table bickering
about who's going to pay For the turkey club and who's going to
pay for the salad nicoise. It's you know it's crazy and if
anybody from the administration is listening to this podcast,
they shouldn't know that they do not have to pay a trillion
dollars or whatever to Texas Children's Hospital in order to
get this vaccine and get it around the world.
That's right. Nothing you know it's yours you
know it's like it's like that old Jerry Rubin book, steal this
book, you know just just take it, you know, steal steal this
stuff children's Little vaccine actually, I lied.
No, I think there is a ten thousand dollar licensing fee
that they like to charges or something?
What did you say? And that's ten thousand dollars
to just steal the vaccine and send it around the world.
I'm not sure about that number below but it won't break it.
Won't break the bank again, won't break the bank, right?
You know, but then the other hat that I wear is I have four adult
kids and my youngest daughter. Rachel is autism and
intellectual disabilities. And if you remember the Vaccine
movement, started claiming that vaccines caused autism and so,
which is nonsense. So a few years ago, I wrote a
book with because I like to write books when I can and it's
called vaccines did not cause Rachel's autism and that made me
Public. Enemy Number One, with the
anti-vaccine movement, they call me the OG villain, which I had
to look up. It means Original Gangster,
villain, right? And and so I've been fighting
anti-vaccine disinformation for as long.
Has anybody. And and you know it was really
interesting when I started going on the cable news networks last
year, talking about covid-19, you know, I watched this thing
unfold in the Trump Administration, when he was
saying, you know, that the deaths are due to other causes
and the Hospital admissions are due to catch up elective
surgeries and you don't need masks and hydroxychloroquine and
I'll say you know I've seen this before I know what this is.
This is an anti-science disinformation.
Champagne. And I'm the world's expert one
of the world's experts and not. Because I'm so brilliant, but
because I've, you know, by default I've had to go up
against it. So I so I remember having this
conversation with them, my wife, I said, you know, as scientists,
you know, we're not supposed to talk about Democrats and
Republicans and conservatives and liberals.
And, you know, she looked at me, she said, you know, you don't
want to be, you know, a year from now.
Realizing all these people have lost their lives from covid and
and not Not doing all you can to save lives.
You have to say it. And and I did.
And and it was a very scary dark place last year.
Because at that time, I didn't have any of the backing of the
scientific societies and I was just out there alone throwing
darts at the White House saying this is an anti-science
disinformation campaign and eventually people came around
but it was a very scary place for me to be and and and then
you know, this the other than the ante XE movement which was
focused around autism, sort of adopted this or mutually adopted
it. And you know under this Banner
of Health freedom is fake manner of Health Freedom, medical
Freedom, you know the protest against masks and social
distancing from the far right? Then adopted an anti vaccine
platform and you know that's what I'm up against now is
dealing with this aggression from the far right and again
it's not fun to talk about because no we're not supposed to
talk about Republicans and Democrats and But, you know,
it's not that, I'm politicizing it that, you know, the bad guys
are politicizing it and I'm trying to delink the
anti-science from this kind of extremism and again, it's you
see. I mean if you see the stuff
people La bit me on Twitter, I get the emails.
You know that an army of Patriots is going to come hunt
me down and my first response is well whitening an army of
Patriots, it's just me and an and Rachel in the cat now.
I mean I would think one Patriots more than enough maybe
to Patriots. Okay, let me try.
I'm so sorry. You have to go through this
because I can tell you is, what who's had to deal with this kind
of craziness for almost 30 years now, and it's not pleasant.
But you get you realize after a while that it, it's just a lot
of noise. And first rule is never read any
of the comments on Twitter. Well, one of the things I do on
Twitter though is, I try to now educate people what the
anti-science movements about and so sometimes I'll retweet and
And use it as an edge as a teachable moment.
Yes. Well, that's important.
But the other piece that's gotten very Sinister also, is
it's not just targeting vaccines in science.
Now, it's actively working to discredit scientists, you know,
prominent us scientists. And I mean, you know, you saw
ramp all going after Tony right to have worked with for decades
and and they go after me, I mean, I had Laura Ingraham and
Governor de sanctis of Florida, start attacking Me on Fox News
and I'm like, you know, I'm not even from Florida.
What? I got nothing to do with
Florida. What it and and this is here,
what I think's going on is, you know, when you look, you know
what, why this attack on science and scientists, and when you
read the history of what Stalin did in the 30s.
And and, and there's this wonderful paper, I found article
from foreign affairs, 1941 called science and the
totalitarian state. And this is what they do.
This is the modus. Rhonda of authoritarian regimes,
you you, discredit Science And scientists you'd want to
delegitimize them as a way of gaining control or power.
And I think something like that's going on what was this
paper called science and the totalitarian state science and
the totalitarian state was written by science writer, very
prominent science writer for the New York Times back then 1941
you know right on the on the eve of u.s. joining WWII and talks
about you know goes through what Stalin did.
Could you send me a copy of that?
Because I would love to post it. Okay?
And so now, I'm kind of writing the the update.
So I'm have a paper out in the public library of science called
plus plus biology. You know, that really does a
deep dive into that. And what what this means in the,
modern context of authoritarian regimes, I read, I read an apple
bombs book, which I really liked about the rotarian regimes and
that it also gave me a lot of ideas on for the paper.
I mean, Ask you some questions here, that are I think at the
Forefront of people's minds this week, first of all, can you tell
us people listening to this very clearly?
What is on the horizon? Coronavirus wise?
What are, what might we be facing here in the upcoming
months? Yeah.
Well if you're, I think, you know this virus is going to pick
off a lot of unvaccinated individuals and I think the
death rate won't be as high because As lot of we've done
better with older Americans. But I think a lot of a lot of
young people, young adults adolescents are looking at
hospitalizations and potentially long covid.
And, you know, again this is part of the disinformation
campaign from the far-right. They say if you're young and
healthy and go to the gym, don't worry covid, death rates are
really low, but what? They don't tell you to shoot in,
still need an ICU admission and Complications from Long Haul
covid. So I think, you know, if you
look at vaccination rates and where I am, you know, in
Louisiana Mississippi fewer than 15, 20 percent of adolescents
are vaccinated 30-40 percent of young adults so this virus is
going to race through that, right?
And plus you have governors in the red States, you know, filing
legislation executive order saying no mask mandates and
school so between Delta being twice as transmissible as any
other variant we've seen before. No one being vaccinated no mask.
I mean, tell me what you think's going to go well here, right?
I mean so so I'm really quite concerned about that the fault,
you know, in here in here in the South, a lot of school system,
starting August. So I don't see how that's going
to go. Well, I think in the northeast
or like we're you are up in Michigan, things will be better
because a higher much higher percentage are vaccinated and
that has the Dual benefit. If you're vaccinated, you're not
going to go to the hospital or get very sick, most likely, and
if enough people are vaccinated that slows transmission.
So I think, you know, we'll see this kind of duality of covid of
a north-south divide and to some extent I think that's probably
what we're looking at. You know, I have to tie.
I don't take any pleasure in thinking, oh, well, it's hitting
the red States, so bon voyage, you know, that's not how I feel.
I feel I want them to live and I just I think well I'm you know,
I've been here Texas, almost 11 years and you know, the people
here in Houston and you know the kindest nicest people you'd ever
want to meet I mean except when they get on I-45.
Alright. Yeah.
But other than that, I think that's one of the first big
cities that elected a lesbian as mayor of the city.
So if you're thinking Texas, Texas is a very very diverse
state in. So yeah, I mean Houston
Sylvester Turner's, our mayor African-American Harvard, Law,
graduate our County judge. And we have the sort of dual
system Lina Hidalgo from Columbia, 30 years old, Stanford
grad. I mean, just we've got a
coolness factor in Houston, that's, you know, that so npn
and that sort of fun, when I'm doing the cable news things.
Because, you know, the portrayal of Texas is sort of unit
dimensional that at all. All right?
Right wing nuts. But in fact, one of the reasons
I came to Texas was because of the science and being in the
Texas Medical Center, the world's largest Medical Center
and we got a lot of Texas philanthropy when other
organizations led us down, you know, the clayburgh foundation
and Tito's. Vodka came through for US based
in Austin and and the jpp foundation in New York and then
foundation in Texas. You know, those guys came
through for us and allowed us to develop that prototype covid
vaccine. So, there's a there's, there's
some great stuff going down here when people hear the
unvaccinated, they shouldn't just be thinking.
Oh, that's just those. Yeah.
Who's in Arkansas? That's the cast of The
Deliverance. So it doesn't affect me when I
hear unvaccinated. I think children.
That's the majority we've got from babies to 12 years old.
They are unvaccinated. So, to me, it seems they are the
most in danger if this variant explodes.
Am I right or wrong? It's not that.
I, I absolutely agree. This is a huge issue and we're
already seeing Pediatric Intensive Care Unit
hospitalization start where transmission goes unchecked
because no one Vaccinated. And I think what's happening is,
you know, basically this virus which is now there's a a early
unpublished study out of southern China and Guangdong
Province. That shows that this virus is
replicating it a thousand times more the level than previous
variance. So I think people are just
shedding so much virus, it's everyone, it's not that kids are
being selectively. In fact, that I just think it's
anyone is unvaccinated is getting In fact, it in the kids
are getting swept up in that and and that's why I was so you
know, striding about trying to get everybody vaccinated this
year and because you know there's vulnerable populations
and this is our best hope are you?
So you are worried about children going back to school.
If we have this, if we are if we are starting or in the middle of
this, fourth surge, I'm less concerned.
If you're talking about schools in Vermont and New Hampshire and
Massachusetts were almost all of the adults and adolescents are
vaccinated, then I am in Louisiana or Mississippi where
none of the adults and adolescents are vax.
Now, I'm a little exaggerating of course, but you get the idea
so. So right, we're going to see
very, very different flavor and character of the epidemic
depending on where you are geographically, those of us who
are vaccinated. So I got the Pfizer on double
dose and all that, what kind of danger am I in as this?
Delta variant increases. Well, we are seeing breakthrough
cases because you're so much virus replication, but it looks
as though, if you're vaccinated, you're not getting very sick in
your neck, not going to the hospital and you're not losing
your lives, so it life. So it's almost ninety nine per
point, five percent of the deaths are in vaccinated
individuals. So it's based almost all
unvaccinated individuals would be hospitalized and get sick.
The problem. Michael is this?
What? But you know the when the
vaccines were approved or for emergency use at the end of last
year, they originally thought of to stop symptomatic illness and
then there were some exciting studies out of Israel and
elsewhere the showed hey it's doing something else.
It's actually halting virus shedding from your nose and
mouth and stopping asymptomatic infection, so that the virus
neutralizing antibodies, you're getting into your mucus.
Membranes your nose and Mouth and stopping virus shedding so
that we can also. So that if you're vaccinated,
you don't need to be tested anymore.
You because you even if your PCR positive, you're not going to
transmitted virus to anybody. That was really virus shedding
virus. Shedding means that I'm fully
vaccinated. But somehow I get this covid
variant the there's less of a chance now than there was before
of me infecting somebody else. That's right, 90 more than 90%
reduction. So That means that if you're
vaccinated your even if you get covid, you know, if you can
track the infection, you'll be asymptomatic and you're not
going to pass it to your kids and that was.
And that's the reason why CDC came out with all these
guidance. Now if you're vaccinated it's a
get-out-of-jail-free card right? You don't have to worry about
wearing masks indoors or anything else.
Now with Delta, I'm not so sure because space, you know, if that
study out of China, gets reproduced and people.
We are having, you know, a thousand times more virus load
and you're vaccinated and it's reduced it may not be enough to
stop virus shedding. So that's the piece where we may
have to alter guidance again. And and you can see that's not a
30-second UNICEF commercial right.
It takes time to explain and right?
And that's that's what the American people often.
I think they tolerate complexity pretty well, but the CDC likes
to simplify messages. So then the question is, what
can you do? Do about it, you know, one
possibility is if you do give a third immunization of the MRNA
vaccine little jack up, the virus neutralizing antibody even
more. So then you will stop virus
shedding. So these are all kinds of
discussions that I think are going on between FDA and CDC and
Office of the Surgeon General. When some people hear that,
it's, you know, it's 90%, only 90% chance that you will not
give this to somebody else. Sometimes, when you hear that,
and you say home, so that means there's a 10% chance and now
it's going to be more because of the Delta.
So yeah, you know, back when I was in my days when I was
playing Russian roulette. No, I'm kidding.
But other, if there's 10 Chambers in the gun and they put
one bullet in it and you spin it around who listening to this
right now would put that gun to their head.
I mean, nine Chambers are empty one.
Has the bullet. It's still to me.
It's why I still if I'm inside a place with you know.
People. I don't know.
I don't know if they're vaccinated or not.
I wear the mask because I want to reduce it, right?
And that would Delta, you have two more than ever because
they're just going to be a lot of virus around.
And again it's going to be more urgent for you to do that where
I live. We're nobodies vaccinated in the
South compared to where you are. Were many more people are
vaccinated so there's probably less of a risk.
I mean you I mean, you work right now and I've watched the,
you know, the we really went down from this was a death
Colony a year ago. Go and people, I thought that's
looks like almost 5 million. It's a city of eight million
people and almost 5 million, which would mean that's most of
the adult population has been vaccinated.
I don't like it though when they say this, but but, but 70%.
Or 80% of had at least one dose. While one dose isn't don't say
that. They've got to get the second
dose if they're on a two-dose my wrong to say that to people too.
Yeah. Especially especially for Delta
we have Have some data now seeing a single dose won't cut
it. You need both doses you because
both doses will give you that really high level of virus
neutralizing, antibody. You know, these are people to be
pitied in some ways because they're victims their victims of
the disinformation. And from, from what I call the
triple headed monster, you know, we've talked about one so far
which is what is that the you know, the three arms.
I have an article I wrote In The Daily Beast last week.
You know that use Has the metaphor of the Gita.
The triple headed, monster responsible for the
disinformation and Daily Beast Graphics.
Did a great picture and which I love.
Looks like a 70s album cover, but, but what they?
But the, what are the three arm? So, the biggest one is is the
far right are not even the far-right, any was becoming more
mainstream across the GOP. It's, you know, if you listen to
that CPAC conference, Or or what's on Fox news or news, max
this aggression against vaccines?
That's probably the biggest cause of damage right now.
Why vaccination rates are so low in the Deep Red States, but
there's two other pieces. The other one is, the Putin
government Russian government, which for the last few years has
been lobbying this whole program.
What's called weaponized health? Communication against the United
States and using vaccines as a wedge issue?
But then The third is, is the the non-governmental
organizations that promote anti-vaccine disinformation and
now the center for countering digital hate, it's amazing.
I have an organization called the center for countering
digital hate is identified. The top 12 based on their
internet analysis that's responsible for about 65 percent
of that disinformation. So so those are the three heads
and and you know I think the surgeon Little was one of the
first surgeon general's to call attention to misinformation.
Because in the past when I've brought this up, know the stuff
coming out of HHS was always Peter.
You know we're not talking about this right, knocks?
It'll give it oxygen and that's a really I mean, it's got all
the oxygen needs, at least they're recognizing it.
But I think they very much focused on the social media
companies, especially Facebook and and the disinformation
doesn't as the center for Connery digital hate, does they?
They didn't want to seem to address the far-right aggression
which I think is dominant right now and Russia maybe that was
just too scary for them but we're going to have to deal with
this at some point. Their vehicles are the social
media companies but also Amazon people are often surprised that,
you know, you can do this exercise at home.
If you go to amazon.com, put books up at the top click,
right? And you'll get the scroll down
menu at the left. That includes Health Fitness and
Diving. You click That you get to the
books on vaccinations all fake anti-vaccine book.
So Amazon is the leading promoter of are the one of the
leading promoters of fakie anti-vaccine disinformation.
I mean, my book, my books are among the highest rank
pro-vaccine books on Amazon, I think, overall the ranked about
20 or 25 because of all the garbage ahead of it.
So so how do we take on this this disinformation?
What do you propose? How do we shut this down?
Well, you know the center for countering digital a for the
top, 12 is proposed the platforming them off of social
media. And I think someone's got to
have a conversation with Amazon about taking down this kind of
garbage and then I get accused of you know what the
anti-vaxxers did it call the accused me a book burning and I
say look, you know, Amazon's a bookstore and and you know we go
into any good bookstore. The proprietor makes decisions
about what they put out. What they don't, it's not.
It's a private organization. And then, you know how you deal
though with with Putin and the Russian government and how to
deal with the far right wing extremism?
What I've recommended in this Daily Beast Pieces, Just say
look as as health experts are scientists, we don't know how to
deal with this, it's not our expertise and we have to stop
asking Department of Health and Human Services to take the lead
on that. We need to bring in expertise
for people who do things like fighting Global terrorism or
nuclear proliferation or cyber attacks.
Because it's reached that level you know that you know more
Americans are dying of anti-science.
Then they are any of those things.
Right now the reason 600,000 Americans lost have lost their
lives and are continuing to lose.
Their lives is partly because of the SARS coronavirus type 2, but
it's also due to Defiance defines gets masks and social
distancing and now vaccines and we have to recognize
anti-science is a monster and it's a killer hold that thought
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ABI a b g, a b i.com, Rumble, I'm going, I have a couple of
theaters Michigan movie, theaters, nonprofit, movie
theaters, and I'm going to reopen them soon.
And I've told people in town that you have to be vaccinated
in order to come in to this movie house a movie.
House has no windows. There's no, no such thing as.
I mean, I'm installing right now.
It's costing a lot of money. A new filtering.
Not just, not really, I shouldn't call it a filtering
system. It's a fresh air system.
I'm And fresh air constantly. Now in taking it right back out
and it has to go through the super, super heater or in the
summer. Super cooler.
So my utility bills are going to go way up, but nonetheless, I'm
doing everything I can do to have fresh air in that theater,
but I don't want people in there and I want people coming to the
theater knowing the other people.
They're sitting there with in the theater are vaccinated.
I haven't gotten any any pushback.
Yeah, I kind of expected it, but it Hasn't happened.
But do you think I'm wrong requiring at least for now?
People have to show their vaccinations card.
You know, I think this is going to be really important and I
it's interesting. I've been having a lot of
conversations with businesses, especially the general counsel
of businesses who want to have met vaccine mandates.
What's holding them back is the fact that they've not been
formally approved. They're still released under
emergency use and they see that as a problem.
I don't You see the problem, but they seem to see it as a
problem. So that seems to be what's
holding the back, and I don't know the FDA is now stocking.
By January before it's fully approved.
I would have thought they could have moved faster on this since
they knew it was coming. So I don't know exactly what the
issue Am I Wrong to require that people be vaccinated.
Come into my theater, because, you know what?
The hamburger joint down the street, he has a sign that says
no shirt, no shoes, no service, and nobody Complains about their
constitutional rights to eat dinner in front of other people,
their shirt off and the bookstore.
You mentioned a book store, the book store down the street
doesn't allow cigarette smoking. Isn't that strange don't?
We have a constitutional right to smoke a cigarette in a
bookstore? No, yeah, you have no argument.
No argument from me. It's just it's interesting a
lot. Well, I think a lot of the big
corporations are the ones who are skittish, because, why they
don't want to upset the ignorant.
Well, I think it's I will also, I think, you know what I'm
hearing from a few of the big organization.
This is they have a lot of unfilled positions right now as
is. And so, if they have to lay off
a substantial segment of the workforce, you know, whether
it's 5% or 10%, there are a little worried about how they
actually run the business that which is kind of interesting.
So I didn't realize that there's so many open jobs right now so
that and I don't know what's going on there.
Well, yeah, well there are a lot of, there are a lot of people
that work in hospitals that are not vaccinated.
It's just there's there apparently.
Qualities that are making businesses skittish about doing
it. Maybe it's because we're a
non-profit. We're not in the business of
making money, but look, if I'm going into, you know, my special
needs daughters likes to go to movie theaters and we're telling
her, no because there's too much covid.
So, but we're saying you're still a lot of covid
transmission. So, but if we knew that theater
whatever you want, he was vaccinated.
Yeah. We'd feel a lot better about
that. Michael Moore could guarantee
you because I have made sure that we've checked their cards.
We know there, They're not fake people in that theater are
vaccinated and I'm going to continue to stick with social
distancing. We have 600 seats in our
theater, is no problem whatsoever to have people sit in
their own clusters, that are family, or whatever.
And, and be far enough away from other people.
Hopefully not come down with covid.
I'm, I want to, I want to do these things.
I want people to know that they can come and see a movie and
generally, I mean, I guess there's no guarantees in life.
But as they say, right, Right. But nonetheless, I will, I will
do my best to reduce your risk, by making sure that the people
in there are not going to infect you and you are not going to
infect them. Yeah, no.
It's, it's great. It's, I think it's terrific,
but, you know, now, you know, here in this part of the country
boy, it's really tough now to do this, it's well.
We've got an executive orders. If you're a public organization.
You, you can't enforce movement vaccine, man.
Yes, it almost makes you. Most moved to Texas and open a
theater. Yeah, yeah.
So what do you say to parents? Then it's okay.
Kids. Go back to school in September,
should they wear a mask inside dr.
Fauci and says, they should World Health Organization says,
yes CDC says no. Well, what I say if they're over
the age of 12, get if they're over the age of 12, make sure
they're vaccinated and make certain they have a mask if
they're over the age of two. And you don't have special needs
that prevents them from wearing a mask and let's hope for the
best. I think that's about all we can
because a lot of school districts and I are not going to
offer remote learning. So and I look, I understand the
importance of, as I say, I would parent of four adult kids.
Now in the kids were little, I know no one understood the
importance of in-person classes, more than I did, her, my wife
hand but so I think that's great that we're doing that and I just
wish we had done. Better job vaccinating people
across the South to do this more safe.
What can we do? Seriously what can we do to
convince people to come on, folks?
Come on, let's do this. You must have put a lot of
thought into this that there's got to be a way to bring most
good people along. Even though we may disagree on
some things, we can agree on this.
This is, I don't know which maybe is the head of the CDC.
The other day said, we're in a phase now where this is
preventable. This is preventable.
Biden has said this, you know, just all you got to do.
Yeah, pretty much pretty much. Nobody has to be except for kids
under the age of 12, and pretty much everybody who's
hospitalized or in an ICU from covid, is there by choice
because they chose not to get vaccinated.
It's horrible to say. But that is that is the reality.
So trying to reach people and explain to them.
Why, even if you're young and healthy and It's not a
substitute for virus neutralizing antibodies from
vaccination and and the key is to, you know, the people on the
right. And again it's not fun for me to
talk about have somehow sent a message that your allegiance to
the political, right is somehow linked to not being vaccinated.
And and we've got to break that. I mean, you know, as I point out
the GOP was Not historically, anti-science and Lincoln started
the National Academy of Sciences Eisenhower started, NASA George
w--, Bush, stop, launch pepfar, the president's emergency plan
for AIDS relief. I mean, there's nothing
intrinsically anti-science about the Republican party, I don't
know that where this comes from it's just bizarre and it's it's
an aberration and and explaining that to people.
And you know usually if I have enough time with someone, you
can eventually Walk walk them back but it's labor intensive.
And I don't know how you do that times.
Tens of millions of people, I mean, I think the estimates are
there still 50 million Americans, 50, who could be
vaccinated, bird or not. And that's that's, you know,
that's the critical piece to all of this.
So why has Fox the anchors on Fox this week, change their tune
and are telling people now to get back sedated, you know, I
think the other missed Place piece of this is Everyone points
fingers, at two of the nighttime anchors.
Laura Ingram goes after me and Tucker Carlson.
I said, look, this is not Tucker Carlson or Laura Ingram.
This is an executive decision, right?
At the leadership of Fox News. I say, well, you know, you, you
talk about Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham like there after
work there. You know, debating 18th century,
Enlightenment philosophy. I mean, you know, you've got to
stop treating them. Like, they're the committee on
social thought at the Chicago, this is this is this is an
executive they're doing what they're told from the leadership
and and it's not just Fox. There's its new score Holdings
to, which is also owned by the murdochs that are putting a lot
of anti-vaccine disinformation. If you look at the Wall Street
Journal opinion section, it's it's a horror show so you know
that's causing a lot of damage. So maybe somebody in the bind
Administration, got to the leadership of fox and News Corp,
you know, that's one. Possibility.
And then you know, raining in those members of Congress who
you know, the craziness from the CPAC conference, I mean that is
so damaging. You know saying that you know,
Marjorie Taylor green saying vaccines are nothing more than a
political instrument of control. I mean, my God, I mean this is,
this is the kind of stuff they're putting out there and
people believe it. So these people have a lot of
influence and I think that we have to that, we have to figure
out a way to Halt. Well, Last words to people who
are listening to, this of the key is to, you know, if you're
vaccinated, you're going to be chances, are you're going to be
fine and if you're and everyone in your family is vaccinated and
your level of community transmission is not high.
You know, all of those are good things but you know trying to
get the rest of the country on the same page.
In terms of vaccination levels, we can still vaccinate our way
out of this epidemic in the United States.
And and we can vaccinate our way out of this pandemic if we could
scale up and get everybody vaccinated.
And and for me, it's, you know, between the two forces that I'm
fighting is the the three-headed Khedira monster.
That's, that's pushing hard on disinformation.
That's hurting the country and the world world now and this
lack of situational, awareness of why Need to vaccinate the
entire world and why this won't go.
Well if we don't vaccinate the whole planet and and you have to
stop at these 2023 timelines, we need to do this now and we can
write. I mean and you know then I get
and then I and I've been pushing on the bind Administration do
then the answer, I always get back as why does why does the
u.s. have to lead? And the answer is because the
you know I'm going to I'm still an old-fashioned Patriot which
is, you know, No, when the world needs to get things done, if the
US doesn't lead it, it tends not to get done and that's how we
defeated fascism and WWII. It's how we won the Cold War.
It's how we you know made a big dent in HIV/AIDS because America
was American leadership there. And this is what we have to do.
Well thank you for what you do dr.
Peter hotez, in terms of both the helping to invent a new and
affordable vaccine for On the third world, for all the work
you do there at Texas, Children's Hospital for the
books that you've written and for standing up to the
anti-vaxxers people who otherwise would be really good
people and are good people but I just but somewhere they went off
the wagon somewhere and look I understand you should be
skeptical. Always skeptical of what a
pharmaceutical don't companies. Telling you or what the
government's telling you or whatever, that's a good thing.
But but then you do your research and you do your reading
and you assess it and then hopefully you come, you come
down on the side of Science and not see science in this case as
the enemy. So I encourage everyone who's
listening. If you haven't gotten vaccinated
yet to please do so, as soon as the kids under 12 can get
vaccinated, let's get them vaccinated.
And it doesn't hurt to wear a mask if you can bear doing that,
you're only making it easier on yourself and other.
So I applaud you, if you are continuing to do that and and
thank you dr. Hotez for everything that you've
done and, and for being a truth teller.
Well, thank you Michael. You know, you've been all along
one of my Inspirations for exactly that.
And, you know, your work is giving me a lot of courage to do
these kinds of things. So So, I'm very grateful to you
and your decades-long commitment.
That's very kind of you to say that and don't worry about the
so-called Patriot groups. You know, they haven't found me
out of 30 years, you know? You're going to be okay.
Well, thank you Michael and again deeply appreciative for
all your inspiration and your your help.
I deep. I'm really grateful.
Thank you so much and thank you. All of you.
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