1 00:00:05,700 --> 00:00:17,500 You got coronavirus shit. You got coronavirus way. 2 00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:19,200 Finna do shit with this coronavirus. 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,700 I ain't been to take a trip with this coronavirus move. 4 00:00:22,700 --> 00:00:28,100 You got coronavirus bullshit. You got coronavirus way minute 5 00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:31,100 do shit with this coronavirus? I ain't been to take a trip. 6 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,800 With this coronavirus. This is Rumble and I am Michael 7 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,000 Moore. Welcome everyone. 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,900 A new report by the World. Health Organization has 9 00:00:40,900 --> 00:00:44,300 confirmed what we should already know. 10 00:00:44,300 --> 00:00:51,100 Maybe some of you have seen this coming But covid cases once 11 00:00:51,100 --> 00:00:56,700 again are on the rise and I mean, a sharp rise in the last 12 00:00:56,700 --> 00:01:00,800 couple of weeks. We are still in the middle of 13 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,000 this pandemic and we have a long ways to go to get out of it. 14 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,100 Those of you who've been following me and found listen to 15 00:01:08,100 --> 00:01:13,100 this podcast for the last year. Or so, when we began just before 16 00:01:13,100 --> 00:01:19,200 covid hit, and in the days and weeks, after covid, I started 17 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,600 talking about this. And even before the lockdown and 18 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,500 we had Different scientists, doctors, Etc. 19 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,900 I talked to them. A couple of them came on this 20 00:01:30,900 --> 00:01:33,900 podcast. I remember dr. 21 00:01:33,900 --> 00:01:35,900 Zeke Emanuel, who was a top doctor? 22 00:01:35,900 --> 00:01:41,500 At one point at the NIH saying that this is actually going to 23 00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:48,100 be a three to four year pandemic and I was like what and he said 24 00:01:48,100 --> 00:01:50,700 no this is going to be a three to four year pin Demi. 25 00:01:50,700 --> 00:01:54,300 This is a virus we haven't seen and you know, we've seen things 26 00:01:54,300 --> 00:01:56,000 similar Maybe Maybe, but not this. 27 00:01:56,700 --> 00:01:59,100 And I remember thinking at the time, well, I'm glad he said it 28 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:02,500 because I hadn't heard anybody say that, but I thought, man, 29 00:02:02,500 --> 00:02:07,800 he's going to be in trouble. Nonetheless talking here last 30 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:14,300 night to some family about you realize that as crazy as that 31 00:02:14,300 --> 00:02:18,800 might have sounded a year. And four months ago, five months 32 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,300 ago that we are only five months away. 33 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,400 The first covid case was It was known that we knew about in 34 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,400 December of nineteen. We're only five months away from 35 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:31,700 that. Let me put it this way. 36 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,400 We're five months away from entering year three. 37 00:02:37,700 --> 00:02:40,900 Of the pandemic and I'm like, wait, I can make it be that his 38 00:02:40,900 --> 00:02:44,000 mind that long has it. I'll just do the math, right? 39 00:02:44,100 --> 00:02:46,000 December of nineteen to December of twenty. 40 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,200 There is your 1, December, 22, December 21 which is coming up. 41 00:02:51,500 --> 00:02:55,100 That's the end of year 2 and that means your three starts. 42 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,000 I have been saying on this podcast for some time that more 43 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,600 we stick our heads in the sand on this because we just want to 44 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,900 hear good news. We want to get the kids back to 45 00:03:04,900 --> 00:03:07,800 school, all these things. We're just sick and tired of 46 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:13,900 wearing masks, all this stuff is going to be our undoing because 47 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:17,900 we're uncomfortable or unhappy. And therefore I want to be happy 48 00:03:17,900 --> 00:03:21,500 and I want to be at the Ballpark and I want to be at the beach 49 00:03:21,500 --> 00:03:23,900 and I want to I want to be out with human beings. 50 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,300 That's is all very understandable. and I feel the 51 00:03:27,300 --> 00:03:32,600 same way that all of you feel and yet, if we're still in the 52 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:37,400 middle of this, We hear about these new variants, we say to 53 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:42,400 ourselves. Oh, that's an India we're safe. 54 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,500 We're okay here because we got vaccines and we've been doing 55 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:48,900 the right thing and all this or that's in Brazil. 56 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,200 But this started because That's in. 57 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,900 Well, that's in Wuhan. I mean I fairly well read. 58 00:03:56,900 --> 00:04:01,600 I've never heard of the city of Wuhan It's got a population 59 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,600 that's like, 50, 50 to 70 percent larger than New York 60 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:11,200 City and never heard of it. How did it get from Wuhan to 61 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,000 where I live? In northern Michigan? 62 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,800 In a rural area of Northern? How are people getting covid? 63 00:04:16,899 --> 00:04:19,300 We've looked at this, the wrong way and we have this sort of 64 00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:23,400 American exceptionalism things that we've got some kind of Game 65 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,500 of Thrones, you know, wall around us, protecting us 66 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,300 ignorance. Ignorance. 67 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:37,700 Historically leads to one's end. An end intelligence and 68 00:04:37,700 --> 00:04:42,100 information and science that leads us to a better place. 69 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,100 So I will continue to be an advocate for this. 70 00:04:45,100 --> 00:04:49,500 And we scrapped what we were going to do on today's podcast 71 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:54,200 because I wanted to Dive Right into this without fear and talk 72 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,700 about what we may be in the middle of. 73 00:04:56,700 --> 00:05:01,700 And what may be coming at us, like a Mack truck, just months 74 00:05:01,700 --> 00:05:04,900 down the road. And I want to talk about our 75 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,900 American way of looking at this and not understanding. 76 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,100 How what happens to the rest of world happens to us and what 77 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:14,600 happens to us happens to the rest of the world and to divorce 78 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:19,100 ourselves from, that is, maybe our biggest crime because we are 79 00:05:19,100 --> 00:05:21,500 only causing and will cause more death. 80 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:26,500 Not not just here, but around the world and and there has been 81 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,000 one person amongst a few others and I've had them here on the 82 00:05:32,008 --> 00:05:35,000 podcast. These wonderful doctors one 83 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,600 person who's been trying to tell us something and and it and it's 84 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,200 about Our connection to the world and it's about what we 85 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,100 need to do. In terms of getting people 86 00:05:44,100 --> 00:05:47,900 vaccinated, and fighting the forces that are out there that 87 00:05:47,900 --> 00:05:52,100 have convinced way too many millions of Americans not to get 88 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:56,300 vaccinated. So this new report from the 89 00:05:56,300 --> 00:05:59,800 World Health Organization, and the increases over the last 90 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,200 couple of weeks, we now have nearly a half a million new 91 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,700 cases. That have been reported each day 92 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:13,700 in the last seven days, ending on July 18th and it's because of 93 00:06:13,700 --> 00:06:19,000 this rise of the Delta variant. And it's now spread to 124 94 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,800 countries. In addition to the Delta variant 95 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,800 were also dealing with the global pandemic of 96 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:32,000 misinformation disinformation about vaccines and about 97 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,000 everything else related to Public Health. 98 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,000 And as businesses have now opened up the summer and schools 99 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,000 are planning to open up in a few weeks. 100 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:47,300 The months ahead may get very ugly and sadly. 101 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,300 Very deadly do not turn off this podcast by friends. 102 00:06:51,300 --> 00:06:54,300 You need to hear what we're going to talk about one of the 103 00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:57,400 few people fighting this. Pandemic of it of 104 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,300 misinformation. We have many great doctors and 105 00:06:59,300 --> 00:07:02,800 scientists fighting the pandemic, but we have a few who 106 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,500 are also fighting the pandemic of misinformation, and that is 107 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:10,300 our guest here today on Rumble, dr. 108 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:13,400 Peter hotez. He is the co-director of the 109 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,600 center for vaccine development at Texas Children's Hospital. 110 00:07:18,700 --> 00:07:21,900 And he is the dean of the national school of tropical 111 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:25,000 medicine at Baylor College of Medicine. 112 00:07:25,900 --> 00:07:29,900 His latest book is preventing the next pandemic vaccine. 113 00:07:29,900 --> 00:07:32,900 Diplomacy in a time of anti-science. 114 00:07:33,700 --> 00:07:38,000 I'm very pleased to welcome him to rumble for the first time. 115 00:07:38,100 --> 00:07:39,500 Welcome dr. Hotez. 116 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,100 That's very kind introduction. Michael, thank you so much. 117 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,300 Well you are working on this on so many levels. 118 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:49,900 First of all, the vaccine Center that you and the other doctors 119 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:52,000 are working on. There's this great piece in 120 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,200 Texas, monthly hear of this past month about what you guys are 121 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:03,700 doing to create a vaccine that can especially get to the third 122 00:08:03,700 --> 00:08:09,900 to third world countries. That is not who Burr expensive. 123 00:08:10,300 --> 00:08:15,100 And, and you all seem to have from my reading of this, this 124 00:08:15,100 --> 00:08:22,000 sort of Jonas, Salk approach to you are not doing this to become 125 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,000 multimillionaires. You are doing this to save 126 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,300 lives. So you're right. 127 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:31,400 I'm a vaccine scientist and and co-head the center for vaccine 128 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,100 development, at Texas Children's with my science partner for the 129 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:39,600 last 20 years, Marilyn de potosí and I've devoted my got my MD 130 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:44,100 and PhD New York in the 80s to develop vaccines for parasitic 131 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:46,900 infections of the poor. But around 10 years ago. 132 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:50,100 We adopted a coronavirus vaccine program because nobody cared 133 00:08:50,100 --> 00:08:54,000 about coronavirus vaccines back then and and we started 134 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,600 developing vaccines for SARS and Mayors and and now covid-19. 135 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,700 So we've developed what we think is going to be one of the first 136 00:09:00,700 --> 00:09:05,200 low-cost people's vaccine for covid-19, and we did not file 137 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,000 patents. We put everything out in the 138 00:09:07,008 --> 00:09:10,100 public domain. We've licensed it now to India. 139 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:14,500 To Indonesia were South Africa. And the hope is that it'll fill 140 00:09:14,500 --> 00:09:17,900 the Gap because, you know everybody so focused on 141 00:09:17,900 --> 00:09:24,500 Innovation that nobody really cared about developing a durable 142 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:27,900 vaccine that could I would actually be widely distributed 143 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:31,700 and in on the African continent where no one's being vaccinated 144 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:35,000 right now or South America or Central or South East Asia. 145 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,300 So, that's very exciting. What you and dr. 146 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:43,600 Both have done In terms of here, you are, I got to be honest, I 147 00:09:43,608 --> 00:09:46,600 didn't even, I didn't even know that you were working on this 148 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,100 you and her, and your other partners there. 149 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,600 And that your that that that's gone through a number of Trials 150 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:59,500 already in other countries, the efficacy rate so far what they 151 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:05,000 found is around 85% and, you know, that's right up there 152 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:11,000 with, you know, next to Pfizer and Journal and you done this in 153 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,200 and then you said you're not going to file for a patent that 154 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,600 you want to get this out there to people that no one in Africa 155 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,100 is getting vaccinated. India is having a horrible 156 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:24,400 problem, other poor countries. I just I'm sorry to interrupt 157 00:10:24,700 --> 00:10:26,600 and I want you to go back to what you were saying but I just 158 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,500 wanted to say thank you, thank you for doing that. 159 00:10:29,500 --> 00:10:32,100 And thank you for doing it for all the right reasons. 160 00:10:32,300 --> 00:10:35,100 No judgment against anybody who's doing it for the wrong 161 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:36,300 reasons. Because if you've done it and 162 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:38,800 you save lives, I kind of don't care at the moment. 163 00:10:38,900 --> 00:10:42,700 Ain't but, but but I, but I do want to point out that there are 164 00:10:42,700 --> 00:10:47,400 people like you and others there at Baylor and, and elsewhere 165 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,900 there, and who you're working around the clock to try and save 166 00:10:52,900 --> 00:10:55,400 lives in countries where they don't have the money to save 167 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,200 lives. And that only is that righteous. 168 00:10:59,300 --> 00:11:01,800 For those for you doing that for those countries, but for 169 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:07,700 Americans who need to hear this, it helps us to because there's 170 00:11:07,700 --> 00:11:11,600 no such thing as a borderlines, country's borders with a 171 00:11:11,608 --> 00:11:13,600 pandemic. And if we don't have that 172 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,500 through her thick skulls, right now, we are never going to get 173 00:11:16,500 --> 00:11:19,500 rid of this that we are all connected on this planet to 174 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:20,500 this. Thank you. 175 00:11:20,500 --> 00:11:23,000 We're going to continually be besieged by variance. 176 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,600 I mean, one of the reasons although the Practical reason we 177 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,800 don't file patents as it's expensive as hell and Were, you 178 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,900 know, a non-profit doing this in an academic Health Center. 179 00:11:32,900 --> 00:11:37,200 So if I have a hundred thousand dollars, I'd rather hire a top 180 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,900 scientist rather than you know, waste money, filing foreign 181 00:11:40,900 --> 00:11:44,800 patent, filing fees. And and so, we've one of the 182 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,700 things that we're trying to explore is there's no road map 183 00:11:47,700 --> 00:11:51,500 here because we're making the vaccines nobody else will make. 184 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,600 And what does that mean when you say that? 185 00:11:53,700 --> 00:11:56,900 Well, you know, we reference is, we have a vaccine for sha Gus 186 00:11:56,900 --> 00:12:00,700 disease, which is a disease, These of the world of the 67 187 00:12:00,700 --> 00:12:04,600 Port, 67 million, poorest people in Latin America or it's just 188 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,900 Assam Isis. Female genital schistosomiasis 189 00:12:07,900 --> 00:12:10,700 is a disease of 40 million girls and women and live in extreme 190 00:12:10,700 --> 00:12:13,500 poverty and Africa. No one else will make that 191 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:16,100 vaccine. So we're trying to Pioneer this 192 00:12:16,100 --> 00:12:18,500 concept not only the science which is really cool and 193 00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:22,400 interesting but also see if there's a sustainable business 194 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,500 model out there that can allow you to make and develop these 195 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:29,000 vaccines. And I think for me that's one of 196 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:35,000 Hardest parts is is trying to raise the funding and Pioneer 197 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,800 that model. I when I'm, you know, I'm often 198 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,200 after I give a lecture pre-pandemic, I'd be of a little 199 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,100 line of young people come up to me saying, they want to go into 200 00:12:44,100 --> 00:12:47,300 Global health and they'd often be profoundly disappointed. 201 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:50,900 When I told totally get an MBA and help us figure out what the 202 00:12:50,900 --> 00:12:54,400 sustainable Finance model is. And and I think there's one out 203 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,900 there, we that's the part. I haven't don't have the skill 204 00:12:56,900 --> 00:12:59,700 set to figure out yet but we've done pretty well. 205 00:12:59,700 --> 00:13:02,400 We've gotten a lot of vaccines at the clinical trials from 206 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,200 Discovery and now this covid vaccine we hope will be released 207 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,800 for emergency use authorization. What is it? 208 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,900 What is the name of this? Your vaccine that you have been 209 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:13,700 working on the covid? Well it's you know it's reaching 210 00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:15,800 for us it's just a Texas Children's vaccine. 211 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,100 But the one what we license to biologically which is one of the 212 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:23,600 big vaccine producers and India are like serum Institute. 213 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:29,500 They call it Corby, vax cor Beva X and we'll see what Tunisia, 214 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:33,200 calls it. And and one of the frustrations 215 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,200 that I've had with the bind Administration is, you know, 216 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,300 they really have not taken ownership of this issue. 217 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:44,200 You know, they are willing to donate 200 million doses of 218 00:13:44,500 --> 00:13:47,600 Pfizer by and Tech vaccine this year and 60 million of 219 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,100 AstraZeneca. And they've done some patent 220 00:13:50,100 --> 00:13:54,200 waivers which may be in the long term will have some impact. 221 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,400 But you know let's look at the scope of this. 222 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,200 You have a billion people in sub-Saharan Africa. 650 million 223 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,400 people in Latin America, another half a billion people in the 224 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:05,700 poor. Look poorest low-income 225 00:14:05,700 --> 00:14:08,800 countries of Southeast Asia. That's, you know, three billion 226 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,400 due to three billion people. We need six billion doses of 227 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,000 vaccines, and that's the problem. 228 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Nobody's, stepping up and having this Frank accounting, and 229 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,900 discussion with the American people or people globally 230 00:14:21,900 --> 00:14:25,700 saying, hey, we need six billion doses of covid, vaccine, and we 231 00:14:25,708 --> 00:14:28,400 need it now. We can't wait till next year, 232 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,500 Delta. Aryan is accelerating throughout 233 00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:33,800 this, the global South throughout the Southern 234 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,900 Hemisphere. And here we are. 235 00:14:35,900 --> 00:14:38,900 We have this vaccine. That's we think we can do for 236 00:14:38,900 --> 00:14:42,300 dollar dollar. Fifty a dose at least expensive, 237 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,600 looks really promising. There's no end to what you can 238 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,400 make because it's a recombinant protein, vaccine expressed in 239 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,400 yeast. The same technology used to make 240 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,700 the hepatitis B vaccine that's used in made all over the world. 241 00:14:55,300 --> 00:14:59,500 No make it, you know, I want the Biden Administration. to say, 242 00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:02,900 you know what this, you know all of our early research was done 243 00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:07,500 with NIH funding, I said you know take ownership of this and 244 00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:12,500 find a big vaccine producer and make 5 billion doses of it and 245 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,300 stop with the you know piddling donations and nobody wants to 246 00:15:17,300 --> 00:15:20,800 own this thing and I just can't understand it and and you know 247 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,400 is a hundred trillion dollar economy and you know, we're 248 00:15:24,500 --> 00:15:28,200 sitting there like you know, around the lunch table bickering 249 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,500 about who's going to pay For the turkey club and who's going to 250 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:34,100 pay for the salad nicoise. It's you know it's crazy and if 251 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:36,900 anybody from the administration is listening to this podcast, 252 00:15:37,300 --> 00:15:40,500 they shouldn't know that they do not have to pay a trillion 253 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:44,800 dollars or whatever to Texas Children's Hospital in order to 254 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,300 get this vaccine and get it around the world. 255 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,900 That's right. Nothing you know it's yours you 256 00:15:49,908 --> 00:15:53,400 know it's like it's like that old Jerry Rubin book, steal this 257 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,800 book, you know just just take it, you know, steal steal this 258 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,400 stuff children's Little vaccine actually, I lied. 259 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,200 No, I think there is a ten thousand dollar licensing fee 260 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,000 that they like to charges or something? 261 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,200 What did you say? And that's ten thousand dollars 262 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,500 to just steal the vaccine and send it around the world. 263 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:16,500 I'm not sure about that number below but it won't break it. 264 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:19,000 Won't break the bank again, won't break the bank, right? 265 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,700 You know, but then the other hat that I wear is I have four adult 266 00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:26,600 kids and my youngest daughter. Rachel is autism and 267 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,500 intellectual disabilities. And if you remember the Vaccine 268 00:16:29,500 --> 00:16:34,900 movement, started claiming that vaccines caused autism and so, 269 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:37,600 which is nonsense. So a few years ago, I wrote a 270 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,300 book with because I like to write books when I can and it's 271 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:45,500 called vaccines did not cause Rachel's autism and that made me 272 00:16:45,500 --> 00:16:47,300 Public. Enemy Number One, with the 273 00:16:47,300 --> 00:16:52,000 anti-vaccine movement, they call me the OG villain, which I had 274 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,500 to look up. It means Original Gangster, 275 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:56,800 villain, right? And and so I've been fighting 276 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,800 anti-vaccine disinformation for as long. 277 00:16:58,900 --> 00:17:01,500 Has anybody. And and you know it was really 278 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:05,599 interesting when I started going on the cable news networks last 279 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:09,099 year, talking about covid-19, you know, I watched this thing 280 00:17:09,099 --> 00:17:11,200 unfold in the Trump Administration, when he was 281 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:16,500 saying, you know, that the deaths are due to other causes 282 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:19,700 and the Hospital admissions are due to catch up elective 283 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:23,900 surgeries and you don't need masks and hydroxychloroquine and 284 00:17:23,900 --> 00:17:26,900 I'll say you know I've seen this before I know what this is. 285 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:28,800 This is an anti-science disinformation. 286 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,300 Champagne. And I'm the world's expert one 287 00:17:32,300 --> 00:17:35,100 of the world's experts and not. Because I'm so brilliant, but 288 00:17:35,100 --> 00:17:37,900 because I've, you know, by default I've had to go up 289 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:40,600 against it. So I so I remember having this 290 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,600 conversation with them, my wife, I said, you know, as scientists, 291 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,600 you know, we're not supposed to talk about Democrats and 292 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,800 Republicans and conservatives and liberals. 293 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,900 And, you know, she looked at me, she said, you know, you don't 294 00:17:51,900 --> 00:17:54,200 want to be, you know, a year from now. 295 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,200 Realizing all these people have lost their lives from covid and 296 00:17:57,900 --> 00:18:01,400 and not Not doing all you can to save lives. 297 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,800 You have to say it. And and I did. 298 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:08,000 And and it was a very scary dark place last year. 299 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,600 Because at that time, I didn't have any of the backing of the 300 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,900 scientific societies and I was just out there alone throwing 301 00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:17,500 darts at the White House saying this is an anti-science 302 00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:21,000 disinformation campaign and eventually people came around 303 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,600 but it was a very scary place for me to be and and and then 304 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,100 you know, this the other than the ante XE movement which was 305 00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:34,000 focused around autism, sort of adopted this or mutually adopted 306 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,700 it. And you know under this Banner 307 00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:39,600 of Health freedom is fake manner of Health Freedom, medical 308 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,000 Freedom, you know the protest against masks and social 309 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,500 distancing from the far right? Then adopted an anti vaccine 310 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:50,700 platform and you know that's what I'm up against now is 311 00:18:51,300 --> 00:18:54,500 dealing with this aggression from the far right and again 312 00:18:54,500 --> 00:18:56,800 it's not fun to talk about because no we're not supposed to 313 00:18:56,808 --> 00:18:59,600 talk about Republicans and Democrats and But, you know, 314 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,400 it's not that, I'm politicizing it that, you know, the bad guys 315 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,800 are politicizing it and I'm trying to delink the 316 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,100 anti-science from this kind of extremism and again, it's you 317 00:19:10,100 --> 00:19:11,600 see. I mean if you see the stuff 318 00:19:12,100 --> 00:19:14,500 people La bit me on Twitter, I get the emails. 319 00:19:14,500 --> 00:19:17,500 You know that an army of Patriots is going to come hunt 320 00:19:17,500 --> 00:19:21,200 me down and my first response is well whitening an army of 321 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,800 Patriots, it's just me and an and Rachel in the cat now. 322 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,800 I mean I would think one Patriots more than enough maybe 323 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,300 to Patriots. Okay, let me try. 324 00:19:30,500 --> 00:19:32,000 I'm so sorry. You have to go through this 325 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,200 because I can tell you is, what who's had to deal with this kind 326 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:40,000 of craziness for almost 30 years now, and it's not pleasant. 327 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:46,700 But you get you realize after a while that it, it's just a lot 328 00:19:46,700 --> 00:19:49,800 of noise. And first rule is never read any 329 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,100 of the comments on Twitter. Well, one of the things I do on 330 00:19:52,100 --> 00:19:55,100 Twitter though is, I try to now educate people what the 331 00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:58,800 anti-science movements about and so sometimes I'll retweet and 332 00:19:58,900 --> 00:20:01,100 And use it as an edge as a teachable moment. 333 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,100 Yes. Well, that's important. 334 00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:07,300 But the other piece that's gotten very Sinister also, is 335 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,000 it's not just targeting vaccines in science. 336 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,300 Now, it's actively working to discredit scientists, you know, 337 00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:17,800 prominent us scientists. And I mean, you know, you saw 338 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,900 ramp all going after Tony right to have worked with for decades 339 00:20:21,900 --> 00:20:25,300 and and they go after me, I mean, I had Laura Ingraham and 340 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:29,800 Governor de sanctis of Florida, start attacking Me on Fox News 341 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,000 and I'm like, you know, I'm not even from Florida. 342 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,100 What? I got nothing to do with 343 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:37,500 Florida. What it and and this is here, 344 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:40,400 what I think's going on is, you know, when you look, you know 345 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,100 what, why this attack on science and scientists, and when you 346 00:20:43,100 --> 00:20:46,900 read the history of what Stalin did in the 30s. 347 00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:51,700 And and, and there's this wonderful paper, I found article 348 00:20:51,700 --> 00:20:54,500 from foreign affairs, 1941 called science and the 349 00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:57,700 totalitarian state. And this is what they do. 350 00:20:57,700 --> 00:21:00,800 This is the modus. Rhonda of authoritarian regimes, 351 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,600 you you, discredit Science And scientists you'd want to 352 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,900 delegitimize them as a way of gaining control or power. 353 00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:10,400 And I think something like that's going on what was this 354 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,600 paper called science and the totalitarian state science and 355 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,900 the totalitarian state was written by science writer, very 356 00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:21,200 prominent science writer for the New York Times back then 1941 357 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:26,800 you know right on the on the eve of u.s. joining WWII and talks 358 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,700 about you know goes through what Stalin did. 359 00:21:28,900 --> 00:21:30,200 Could you send me a copy of that? 360 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,100 Because I would love to post it. Okay? 361 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,400 And so now, I'm kind of writing the the update. 362 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,700 So I'm have a paper out in the public library of science called 363 00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:43,600 plus plus biology. You know, that really does a 364 00:21:43,608 --> 00:21:47,700 deep dive into that. And what what this means in the, 365 00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:52,000 modern context of authoritarian regimes, I read, I read an apple 366 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,400 bombs book, which I really liked about the rotarian regimes and 367 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,400 that it also gave me a lot of ideas on for the paper. 368 00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:03,000 I mean, Ask you some questions here, that are I think at the 369 00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:08,500 Forefront of people's minds this week, first of all, can you tell 370 00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:11,200 us people listening to this very clearly? 371 00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:14,200 What is on the horizon? Coronavirus wise? 372 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,800 What are, what might we be facing here in the upcoming 373 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,000 months? Yeah. 374 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,500 Well if you're, I think, you know this virus is going to pick 375 00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:27,300 off a lot of unvaccinated individuals and I think the 376 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:30,000 death rate won't be as high because As lot of we've done 377 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,200 better with older Americans. But I think a lot of a lot of 378 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,800 young people, young adults adolescents are looking at 379 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,700 hospitalizations and potentially long covid. 380 00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:43,800 And, you know, again this is part of the disinformation 381 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,600 campaign from the far-right. They say if you're young and 382 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,800 healthy and go to the gym, don't worry covid, death rates are 383 00:22:52,808 --> 00:22:54,900 really low, but what? They don't tell you to shoot in, 384 00:22:54,900 --> 00:23:00,300 still need an ICU admission and Complications from Long Haul 385 00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:02,000 covid. So I think, you know, if you 386 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,700 look at vaccination rates and where I am, you know, in 387 00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:09,800 Louisiana Mississippi fewer than 15, 20 percent of adolescents 388 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:15,900 are vaccinated 30-40 percent of young adults so this virus is 389 00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:17,500 going to race through that, right? 390 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,900 And plus you have governors in the red States, you know, filing 391 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:24,900 legislation executive order saying no mask mandates and 392 00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:30,500 school so between Delta being twice as transmissible as any 393 00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:34,900 other variant we've seen before. No one being vaccinated no mask. 394 00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:38,400 I mean, tell me what you think's going to go well here, right? 395 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:43,300 I mean so so I'm really quite concerned about that the fault, 396 00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:46,100 you know, in here in here in the South, a lot of school system, 397 00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:48,600 starting August. So I don't see how that's going 398 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,800 to go. Well, I think in the northeast 399 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,700 or like we're you are up in Michigan, things will be better 400 00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:56,400 because a higher much higher percentage are vaccinated and 401 00:23:56,700 --> 00:24:00,200 that has the Dual benefit. If you're vaccinated, you're not 402 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,200 going to go to the hospital or get very sick, most likely, and 403 00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:07,500 if enough people are vaccinated that slows transmission. 404 00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:12,600 So I think, you know, we'll see this kind of duality of covid of 405 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,900 a north-south divide and to some extent I think that's probably 406 00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:18,900 what we're looking at. You know, I have to tie. 407 00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:24,300 I don't take any pleasure in thinking, oh, well, it's hitting 408 00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:28,200 the red States, so bon voyage, you know, that's not how I feel. 409 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,700 I feel I want them to live and I just I think well I'm you know, 410 00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:34,700 I've been here Texas, almost 11 years and you know, the people 411 00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:38,000 here in Houston and you know the kindest nicest people you'd ever 412 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,700 want to meet I mean except when they get on I-45. 413 00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:41,500 Alright. Yeah. 414 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,200 But other than that, I think that's one of the first big 415 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,800 cities that elected a lesbian as mayor of the city. 416 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:53,400 So if you're thinking Texas, Texas is a very very diverse 417 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,400 state in. So yeah, I mean Houston 418 00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:59,500 Sylvester Turner's, our mayor African-American Harvard, Law, 419 00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:03,200 graduate our County judge. And we have the sort of dual 420 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,500 system Lina Hidalgo from Columbia, 30 years old, Stanford 421 00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:10,500 grad. I mean, just we've got a 422 00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:14,400 coolness factor in Houston, that's, you know, that so npn 423 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,100 and that sort of fun, when I'm doing the cable news things. 424 00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:21,200 Because, you know, the portrayal of Texas is sort of unit 425 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,900 dimensional that at all. All right? 426 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:26,300 Right wing nuts. But in fact, one of the reasons 427 00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:29,600 I came to Texas was because of the science and being in the 428 00:25:29,608 --> 00:25:32,300 Texas Medical Center, the world's largest Medical Center 429 00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:35,400 and we got a lot of Texas philanthropy when other 430 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:38,700 organizations led us down, you know, the clayburgh foundation 431 00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:41,600 and Tito's. Vodka came through for US based 432 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,500 in Austin and and the jpp foundation in New York and then 433 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:47,400 foundation in Texas. You know, those guys came 434 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,600 through for us and allowed us to develop that prototype covid 435 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,600 vaccine. So, there's a there's, there's 436 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,700 some great stuff going down here when people hear the 437 00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:56,500 unvaccinated, they shouldn't just be thinking. 438 00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:58,100 Oh, that's just those. Yeah. 439 00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:00,800 Who's in Arkansas? That's the cast of The 440 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,600 Deliverance. So it doesn't affect me when I 441 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,800 hear unvaccinated. I think children. 442 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,700 That's the majority we've got from babies to 12 years old. 443 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:13,000 They are unvaccinated. So, to me, it seems they are the 444 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,500 most in danger if this variant explodes. 445 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,800 Am I right or wrong? It's not that. 446 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,800 I, I absolutely agree. This is a huge issue and we're 447 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,300 already seeing Pediatric Intensive Care Unit 448 00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:27,600 hospitalization start where transmission goes unchecked 449 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,500 because no one Vaccinated. And I think what's happening is, 450 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:37,900 you know, basically this virus which is now there's a a early 451 00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:41,100 unpublished study out of southern China and Guangdong 452 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:44,200 Province. That shows that this virus is 453 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,900 replicating it a thousand times more the level than previous 454 00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:50,100 variance. So I think people are just 455 00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:53,400 shedding so much virus, it's everyone, it's not that kids are 456 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,500 being selectively. In fact, that I just think it's 457 00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:59,500 anyone is unvaccinated is getting In fact, it in the kids 458 00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:03,700 are getting swept up in that and and that's why I was so you 459 00:27:03,708 --> 00:27:06,800 know, striding about trying to get everybody vaccinated this 460 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,400 year and because you know there's vulnerable populations 461 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,700 and this is our best hope are you? 462 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,900 So you are worried about children going back to school. 463 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,900 If we have this, if we are if we are starting or in the middle of 464 00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:22,900 this, fourth surge, I'm less concerned. 465 00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:26,200 If you're talking about schools in Vermont and New Hampshire and 466 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,800 Massachusetts were almost all of the adults and adolescents are 467 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,000 vaccinated, then I am in Louisiana or Mississippi where 468 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,000 none of the adults and adolescents are vax. 469 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,600 Now, I'm a little exaggerating of course, but you get the idea 470 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,400 so. So right, we're going to see 471 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,500 very, very different flavor and character of the epidemic 472 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,200 depending on where you are geographically, those of us who 473 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,800 are vaccinated. So I got the Pfizer on double 474 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:58,000 dose and all that, what kind of danger am I in as this? 475 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,600 Delta variant increases. Well, we are seeing breakthrough 476 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,800 cases because you're so much virus replication, but it looks 477 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,200 as though, if you're vaccinated, you're not getting very sick in 478 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,000 your neck, not going to the hospital and you're not losing 479 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,500 your lives, so it life. So it's almost ninety nine per 480 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,200 point, five percent of the deaths are in vaccinated 481 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:23,700 individuals. So it's based almost all 482 00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:27,000 unvaccinated individuals would be hospitalized and get sick. 483 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,700 The problem. Michael is this? 484 00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:32,500 What? But you know the when the 485 00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:37,200 vaccines were approved or for emergency use at the end of last 486 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,400 year, they originally thought of to stop symptomatic illness and 487 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,100 then there were some exciting studies out of Israel and 488 00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:47,400 elsewhere the showed hey it's doing something else. 489 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,000 It's actually halting virus shedding from your nose and 490 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:56,200 mouth and stopping asymptomatic infection, so that the virus 491 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,200 neutralizing antibodies, you're getting into your mucus. 492 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,700 Membranes your nose and Mouth and stopping virus shedding so 493 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:05,900 that we can also. So that if you're vaccinated, 494 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,800 you don't need to be tested anymore. 495 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,000 You because you even if your PCR positive, you're not going to 496 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,600 transmitted virus to anybody. That was really virus shedding 497 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,900 virus. Shedding means that I'm fully 498 00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:19,900 vaccinated. But somehow I get this covid 499 00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:24,600 variant the there's less of a chance now than there was before 500 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,200 of me infecting somebody else. That's right, 90 more than 90% 501 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,300 reduction. So That means that if you're 502 00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:35,500 vaccinated your even if you get covid, you know, if you can 503 00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:38,300 track the infection, you'll be asymptomatic and you're not 504 00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:39,900 going to pass it to your kids and that was. 505 00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:43,300 And that's the reason why CDC came out with all these 506 00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:46,200 guidance. Now if you're vaccinated it's a 507 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,700 get-out-of-jail-free card right? You don't have to worry about 508 00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:50,700 wearing masks indoors or anything else. 509 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,400 Now with Delta, I'm not so sure because space, you know, if that 510 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,300 study out of China, gets reproduced and people. 511 00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:04,300 We are having, you know, a thousand times more virus load 512 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,900 and you're vaccinated and it's reduced it may not be enough to 513 00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:12,200 stop virus shedding. So that's the piece where we may 514 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,000 have to alter guidance again. And and you can see that's not a 515 00:30:16,008 --> 00:30:17,700 30-second UNICEF commercial right. 516 00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:19,700 It takes time to explain and right? 517 00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:23,200 And that's that's what the American people often. 518 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,700 I think they tolerate complexity pretty well, but the CDC likes 519 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:29,900 to simplify messages. So then the question is, what 520 00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:31,500 can you do? Do about it, you know, one 521 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:35,800 possibility is if you do give a third immunization of the MRNA 522 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,900 vaccine little jack up, the virus neutralizing antibody even 523 00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:41,600 more. So then you will stop virus 524 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,100 shedding. So these are all kinds of 525 00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:47,300 discussions that I think are going on between FDA and CDC and 526 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:50,600 Office of the Surgeon General. When some people hear that, 527 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,900 it's, you know, it's 90%, only 90% chance that you will not 528 00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:58,200 give this to somebody else. Sometimes, when you hear that, 529 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,000 and you say home, so that means there's a 10% chance and now 530 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,900 it's going to be more because of the Delta. 531 00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:05,400 So yeah, you know, back when I was in my days when I was 532 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,900 playing Russian roulette. No, I'm kidding. 533 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:11,100 But other, if there's 10 Chambers in the gun and they put 534 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,700 one bullet in it and you spin it around who listening to this 535 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:16,500 right now would put that gun to their head. 536 00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,000 I mean, nine Chambers are empty one. 537 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,700 Has the bullet. It's still to me. 538 00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:26,700 It's why I still if I'm inside a place with you know. 539 00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:27,800 People. I don't know. 540 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,700 I don't know if they're vaccinated or not. 541 00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:33,500 I wear the mask because I want to reduce it, right? 542 00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:36,400 And that would Delta, you have two more than ever because 543 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,400 they're just going to be a lot of virus around. 544 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,700 And again it's going to be more urgent for you to do that where 545 00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:44,500 I live. We're nobodies vaccinated in the 546 00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:48,100 South compared to where you are. Were many more people are 547 00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:50,400 vaccinated so there's probably less of a risk. 548 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,200 I mean you I mean, you work right now and I've watched the, 549 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,600 you know, the we really went down from this was a death 550 00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:01,000 Colony a year ago. Go and people, I thought that's 551 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,900 looks like almost 5 million. It's a city of eight million 552 00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:07,400 people and almost 5 million, which would mean that's most of 553 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,900 the adult population has been vaccinated. 554 00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:14,700 I don't like it though when they say this, but but, but 70%. 555 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:18,500 Or 80% of had at least one dose. While one dose isn't don't say 556 00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:19,900 that. They've got to get the second 557 00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:24,000 dose if they're on a two-dose my wrong to say that to people too. 558 00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:26,600 Yeah. Especially especially for Delta 559 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,000 we have Have some data now seeing a single dose won't cut 560 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,100 it. You need both doses you because 561 00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:35,000 both doses will give you that really high level of virus 562 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,200 neutralizing, antibody. You know, these are people to be 563 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,700 pitied in some ways because they're victims their victims of 564 00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:46,000 the disinformation. And from, from what I call the 565 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,900 triple headed monster, you know, we've talked about one so far 566 00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:52,400 which is what is that the you know, the three arms. 567 00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:55,300 I have an article I wrote In The Daily Beast last week. 568 00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:58,400 You know that use Has the metaphor of the Gita. 569 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,900 The triple headed, monster responsible for the 570 00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:06,400 disinformation and Daily Beast Graphics. 571 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,200 Did a great picture and which I love. 572 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,200 Looks like a 70s album cover, but, but what they? 573 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,000 But the, what are the three arm? So, the biggest one is is the 574 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,200 far right are not even the far-right, any was becoming more 575 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,300 mainstream across the GOP. It's, you know, if you listen to 576 00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:29,800 that CPAC conference, Or or what's on Fox news or news, max 577 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,200 this aggression against vaccines? 578 00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:35,000 That's probably the biggest cause of damage right now. 579 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,300 Why vaccination rates are so low in the Deep Red States, but 580 00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:42,200 there's two other pieces. The other one is, the Putin 581 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,200 government Russian government, which for the last few years has 582 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,800 been lobbying this whole program. 583 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,900 What's called weaponized health? Communication against the United 584 00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:56,000 States and using vaccines as a wedge issue? 585 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:02,300 But then The third is, is the the non-governmental 586 00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:06,500 organizations that promote anti-vaccine disinformation and 587 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:09,699 now the center for countering digital hate, it's amazing. 588 00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:11,699 I have an organization called the center for countering 589 00:34:11,699 --> 00:34:15,400 digital hate is identified. The top 12 based on their 590 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,800 internet analysis that's responsible for about 65 percent 591 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,199 of that disinformation. So so those are the three heads 592 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:28,500 and and you know I think the surgeon Little was one of the 593 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:31,500 first surgeon general's to call attention to misinformation. 594 00:34:31,699 --> 00:34:35,199 Because in the past when I've brought this up, know the stuff 595 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,199 coming out of HHS was always Peter. 596 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,199 You know we're not talking about this right, knocks? 597 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,199 It'll give it oxygen and that's a really I mean, it's got all 598 00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:44,400 the oxygen needs, at least they're recognizing it. 599 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,199 But I think they very much focused on the social media 600 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:52,500 companies, especially Facebook and and the disinformation 601 00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:56,199 doesn't as the center for Connery digital hate, does they? 602 00:34:56,699 --> 00:34:59,900 They didn't want to seem to address the far-right aggression 603 00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:04,300 which I think is dominant right now and Russia maybe that was 604 00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:06,700 just too scary for them but we're going to have to deal with 605 00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:10,400 this at some point. Their vehicles are the social 606 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,600 media companies but also Amazon people are often surprised that, 607 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,200 you know, you can do this exercise at home. 608 00:35:16,207 --> 00:35:20,600 If you go to amazon.com, put books up at the top click, 609 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,300 right? And you'll get the scroll down 610 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:25,200 menu at the left. That includes Health Fitness and 611 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,500 Diving. You click That you get to the 612 00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:31,300 books on vaccinations all fake anti-vaccine book. 613 00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:35,200 So Amazon is the leading promoter of are the one of the 614 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,400 leading promoters of fakie anti-vaccine disinformation. 615 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,100 I mean, my book, my books are among the highest rank 616 00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:45,600 pro-vaccine books on Amazon, I think, overall the ranked about 617 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,100 20 or 25 because of all the garbage ahead of it. 618 00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:52,300 So so how do we take on this this disinformation? 619 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,600 What do you propose? How do we shut this down? 620 00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:59,200 Well, you know the center for countering digital a for the 621 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,700 top, 12 is proposed the platforming them off of social 622 00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:05,800 media. And I think someone's got to 623 00:36:05,808 --> 00:36:09,000 have a conversation with Amazon about taking down this kind of 624 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,500 garbage and then I get accused of you know what the 625 00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:14,000 anti-vaxxers did it call the accused me a book burning and I 626 00:36:14,008 --> 00:36:18,900 say look, you know, Amazon's a bookstore and and you know we go 627 00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:22,200 into any good bookstore. The proprietor makes decisions 628 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,400 about what they put out. What they don't, it's not. 629 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,400 It's a private organization. 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Rumble that's G. 671 00:38:49,200 --> 00:39:02,500 ABI a b g, a b i.com, Rumble, I'm going, I have a couple of 672 00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:05,400 theaters Michigan movie, theaters, nonprofit, movie 673 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,600 theaters, and I'm going to reopen them soon. 674 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,200 And I've told people in town that you have to be vaccinated 675 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,200 in order to come in to this movie house a movie. 676 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,100 House has no windows. There's no, no such thing as. 677 00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:22,200 I mean, I'm installing right now. 678 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,500 It's costing a lot of money. A new filtering. 679 00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:28,700 Not just, not really, I shouldn't call it a filtering 680 00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:30,200 system. It's a fresh air system. 681 00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:35,900 I'm And fresh air constantly. Now in taking it right back out 682 00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:40,000 and it has to go through the super, super heater or in the 683 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,600 summer. Super cooler. 684 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,200 So my utility bills are going to go way up, but nonetheless, I'm 685 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,900 doing everything I can do to have fresh air in that theater, 686 00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:52,100 but I don't want people in there and I want people coming to the 687 00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:53,700 theater knowing the other people. 688 00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:56,800 They're sitting there with in the theater are vaccinated. 689 00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,200 I haven't gotten any any pushback. 690 00:39:59,300 --> 00:40:01,700 Yeah, I kind of expected it, but it Hasn't happened. 691 00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:05,600 But do you think I'm wrong requiring at least for now? 692 00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:08,200 People have to show their vaccinations card. 693 00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:12,000 You know, I think this is going to be really important and I 694 00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:13,900 it's interesting. I've been having a lot of 695 00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:18,000 conversations with businesses, especially the general counsel 696 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,700 of businesses who want to have met vaccine mandates. 697 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,200 What's holding them back is the fact that they've not been 698 00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:27,600 formally approved. They're still released under 699 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,200 emergency use and they see that as a problem. 700 00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:33,300 I don't You see the problem, but they seem to see it as a 701 00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:35,700 problem. So that seems to be what's 702 00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:39,000 holding the back, and I don't know the FDA is now stocking. 703 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,000 By January before it's fully approved. 704 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,300 I would have thought they could have moved faster on this since 705 00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:47,400 they knew it was coming. So I don't know exactly what the 706 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,000 issue Am I Wrong to require that people be vaccinated. 707 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,100 Come into my theater, because, you know what? 708 00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:56,500 The hamburger joint down the street, he has a sign that says 709 00:40:56,500 --> 00:41:01,800 no shirt, no shoes, no service, and nobody Complains about their 710 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,800 constitutional rights to eat dinner in front of other people, 711 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,400 their shirt off and the bookstore. 712 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,700 You mentioned a book store, the book store down the street 713 00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:10,400 doesn't allow cigarette smoking. Isn't that strange don't? 714 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,500 We have a constitutional right to smoke a cigarette in a 715 00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:16,100 bookstore? No, yeah, you have no argument. 716 00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:19,000 No argument from me. It's just it's interesting a 717 00:41:19,008 --> 00:41:20,300 lot. Well, I think a lot of the big 718 00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:23,800 corporations are the ones who are skittish, because, why they 719 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,500 don't want to upset the ignorant. 720 00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:28,600 Well, I think it's I will also, I think, you know what I'm 721 00:41:28,607 --> 00:41:31,000 hearing from a few of the big organization. 722 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,500 This is they have a lot of unfilled positions right now as 723 00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:37,500 is. And so, if they have to lay off 724 00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:39,900 a substantial segment of the workforce, you know, whether 725 00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:43,400 it's 5% or 10%, there are a little worried about how they 726 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,800 actually run the business that which is kind of interesting. 727 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,000 So I didn't realize that there's so many open jobs right now so 728 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,100 that and I don't know what's going on there. 729 00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:56,400 Well, yeah, well there are a lot of, there are a lot of people 730 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,800 that work in hospitals that are not vaccinated. 731 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,400 It's just there's there apparently. 732 00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:03,900 Qualities that are making businesses skittish about doing 733 00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:05,000 it. Maybe it's because we're a 734 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,500 non-profit. We're not in the business of 735 00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:10,500 making money, but look, if I'm going into, you know, my special 736 00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:13,000 needs daughters likes to go to movie theaters and we're telling 737 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,300 her, no because there's too much covid. 738 00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:19,300 So, but we're saying you're still a lot of covid 739 00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:21,400 transmission. So, but if we knew that theater 740 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,300 whatever you want, he was vaccinated. 741 00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:24,100 Yeah. We'd feel a lot better about 742 00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:25,500 that. Michael Moore could guarantee 743 00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:30,400 you because I have made sure that we've checked their cards. 744 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,500 We know there, They're not fake people in that theater are 745 00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:38,000 vaccinated and I'm going to continue to stick with social 746 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,000 distancing. We have 600 seats in our 747 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,300 theater, is no problem whatsoever to have people sit in 748 00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:45,200 their own clusters, that are family, or whatever. 749 00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:48,300 And, and be far enough away from other people. 750 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,000 Hopefully not come down with covid. 751 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,500 I'm, I want to, I want to do these things. 752 00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:56,600 I want people to know that they can come and see a movie and 753 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,200 generally, I mean, I guess there's no guarantees in life. 754 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,100 But as they say, right, Right. But nonetheless, I will, I will 755 00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:07,800 do my best to reduce your risk, by making sure that the people 756 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,300 in there are not going to infect you and you are not going to 757 00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:12,300 infect them. Yeah, no. 758 00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:15,600 It's, it's great. It's, I think it's terrific, 759 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,400 but, you know, now, you know, here in this part of the country 760 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,900 boy, it's really tough now to do this, it's well. 761 00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:26,400 We've got an executive orders. If you're a public organization. 762 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,300 You, you can't enforce movement vaccine, man. 763 00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:32,800 Yes, it almost makes you. Most moved to Texas and open a 764 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,100 theater. Yeah, yeah. 765 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,400 So what do you say to parents? Then it's okay. 766 00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:40,200 Kids. Go back to school in September, 767 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,500 should they wear a mask inside dr. 768 00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:49,100 Fauci and says, they should World Health Organization says, 769 00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:51,800 yes CDC says no. Well, what I say if they're over 770 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,000 the age of 12, get if they're over the age of 12, make sure 771 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,700 they're vaccinated and make certain they have a mask if 772 00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:03,100 they're over the age of two. And you don't have special needs 773 00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:07,000 that prevents them from wearing a mask and let's hope for the 774 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,900 best. I think that's about all we can 775 00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:11,100 because a lot of school districts and I are not going to 776 00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:15,100 offer remote learning. So and I look, I understand the 777 00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:18,600 importance of, as I say, I would parent of four adult kids. 778 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,300 Now in the kids were little, I know no one understood the 779 00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:24,500 importance of in-person classes, more than I did, her, my wife 780 00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:30,400 hand but so I think that's great that we're doing that and I just 781 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,800 wish we had done. Better job vaccinating people 782 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,900 across the South to do this more safe. 783 00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:38,500 What can we do? Seriously what can we do to 784 00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:40,600 convince people to come on, folks? 785 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,700 Come on, let's do this. You must have put a lot of 786 00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:47,900 thought into this that there's got to be a way to bring most 787 00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:51,200 good people along. Even though we may disagree on 788 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,800 some things, we can agree on this. 789 00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:57,500 This is, I don't know which maybe is the head of the CDC. 790 00:44:57,500 --> 00:45:00,200 The other day said, we're in a phase now where this is 791 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,500 preventable. This is preventable. 792 00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:05,700 Biden has said this, you know, just all you got to do. 793 00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:10,900 Yeah, pretty much pretty much. Nobody has to be except for kids 794 00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:14,200 under the age of 12, and pretty much everybody who's 795 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,100 hospitalized or in an ICU from covid, is there by choice 796 00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:21,000 because they chose not to get vaccinated. 797 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,500 It's horrible to say. But that is that is the reality. 798 00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:28,700 So trying to reach people and explain to them. 799 00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:31,600 Why, even if you're young and healthy and It's not a 800 00:45:31,607 --> 00:45:34,200 substitute for virus neutralizing antibodies from 801 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:41,300 vaccination and and the key is to, you know, the people on the 802 00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:43,500 right. And again it's not fun for me to 803 00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:50,700 talk about have somehow sent a message that your allegiance to 804 00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:55,300 the political, right is somehow linked to not being vaccinated. 805 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,500 And and we've got to break that. I mean, you know, as I point out 806 00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:04,400 the GOP was Not historically, anti-science and Lincoln started 807 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:09,200 the National Academy of Sciences Eisenhower started, NASA George 808 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,400 w--, Bush, stop, launch pepfar, the president's emergency plan 809 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,600 for AIDS relief. I mean, there's nothing 810 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,300 intrinsically anti-science about the Republican party, I don't 811 00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:22,200 know that where this comes from it's just bizarre and it's it's 812 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,800 an aberration and and explaining that to people. 813 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,900 And you know usually if I have enough time with someone, you 814 00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:34,300 can eventually Walk walk them back but it's labor intensive. 815 00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:36,800 And I don't know how you do that times. 816 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,200 Tens of millions of people, I mean, I think the estimates are 817 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:45,600 there still 50 million Americans, 50, who could be 818 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,900 vaccinated, bird or not. And that's that's, you know, 819 00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:51,100 that's the critical piece to all of this. 820 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,100 So why has Fox the anchors on Fox this week, change their tune 821 00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:58,000 and are telling people now to get back sedated, you know, I 822 00:46:58,008 --> 00:47:02,000 think the other missed Place piece of this is Everyone points 823 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,800 fingers, at two of the nighttime anchors. 824 00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:07,500 Laura Ingram goes after me and Tucker Carlson. 825 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,600 I said, look, this is not Tucker Carlson or Laura Ingram. 826 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,000 This is an executive decision, right? 827 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,300 At the leadership of Fox News. I say, well, you know, you, you 828 00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:20,700 talk about Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham like there after 829 00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:24,700 work there. You know, debating 18th century, 830 00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:26,900 Enlightenment philosophy. I mean, you know, you've got to 831 00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:30,000 stop treating them. Like, they're the committee on 832 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,600 social thought at the Chicago, this is this is this is an 833 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,100 executive they're doing what they're told from the leadership 834 00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:41,200 and and it's not just Fox. There's its new score Holdings 835 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,000 to, which is also owned by the murdochs that are putting a lot 836 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,100 of anti-vaccine disinformation. If you look at the Wall Street 837 00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:52,800 Journal opinion section, it's it's a horror show so you know 838 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,400 that's causing a lot of damage. So maybe somebody in the bind 839 00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,000 Administration, got to the leadership of fox and News Corp, 840 00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:01,900 you know, that's one. Possibility. 841 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,200 And then you know, raining in those members of Congress who 842 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,400 you know, the craziness from the CPAC conference, I mean that is 843 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,100 so damaging. You know saying that you know, 844 00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:16,200 Marjorie Taylor green saying vaccines are nothing more than a 845 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,600 political instrument of control. I mean, my God, I mean this is, 846 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,700 this is the kind of stuff they're putting out there and 847 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,500 people believe it. So these people have a lot of 848 00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:29,000 influence and I think that we have to that, we have to figure 849 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,600 out a way to Halt. Well, Last words to people who 850 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,500 are listening to, this of the key is to, you know, if you're 851 00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:39,500 vaccinated, you're going to be chances, are you're going to be 852 00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:44,500 fine and if you're and everyone in your family is vaccinated and 853 00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:47,200 your level of community transmission is not high. 854 00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:52,100 You know, all of those are good things but you know trying to 855 00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:55,100 get the rest of the country on the same page. 856 00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:58,500 In terms of vaccination levels, we can still vaccinate our way 857 00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:00,800 out of this epidemic in the United States. 858 00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:05,400 And and we can vaccinate our way out of this pandemic if we could 859 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,900 scale up and get everybody vaccinated. 860 00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:12,600 And and for me, it's, you know, between the two forces that I'm 861 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,000 fighting is the the three-headed Khedira monster. 862 00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:21,300 That's, that's pushing hard on disinformation. 863 00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:26,100 That's hurting the country and the world world now and this 864 00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:32,300 lack of situational, awareness of why Need to vaccinate the 865 00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:35,100 entire world and why this won't go. 866 00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:39,000 Well if we don't vaccinate the whole planet and and you have to 867 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,000 stop at these 2023 timelines, we need to do this now and we can 868 00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:46,900 write. I mean and you know then I get 869 00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:50,500 and then I and I've been pushing on the bind Administration do 870 00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:52,900 then the answer, I always get back as why does why does the 871 00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:56,900 u.s. have to lead? And the answer is because the 872 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,300 you know I'm going to I'm still an old-fashioned Patriot which 873 00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:04,000 is, you know, No, when the world needs to get things done, if the 874 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,100 US doesn't lead it, it tends not to get done and that's how we 875 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,500 defeated fascism and WWII. It's how we won the Cold War. 876 00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:17,500 It's how we you know made a big dent in HIV/AIDS because America 877 00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:20,600 was American leadership there. And this is what we have to do. 878 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,400 Well thank you for what you do dr. 879 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,900 Peter hotez, in terms of both the helping to invent a new and 880 00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:33,200 affordable vaccine for On the third world, for all the work 881 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,800 you do there at Texas, Children's Hospital for the 882 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:42,000 books that you've written and for standing up to the 883 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:48,400 anti-vaxxers people who otherwise would be really good 884 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,300 people and are good people but I just but somewhere they went off 885 00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:57,500 the wagon somewhere and look I understand you should be 886 00:50:57,500 --> 00:50:59,600 skeptical. Always skeptical of what a 887 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,000 pharmaceutical don't companies. Telling you or what the 888 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,200 government's telling you or whatever, that's a good thing. 889 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,100 But but then you do your research and you do your reading 890 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,800 and you assess it and then hopefully you come, you come 891 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:18,700 down on the side of Science and not see science in this case as 892 00:51:18,700 --> 00:51:22,800 the enemy. So I encourage everyone who's 893 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,600 listening. If you haven't gotten vaccinated 894 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:29,100 yet to please do so, as soon as the kids under 12 can get 895 00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:30,900 vaccinated, let's get them vaccinated. 896 00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:36,000 And it doesn't hurt to wear a mask if you can bear doing that, 897 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,500 you're only making it easier on yourself and other. 898 00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:44,400 So I applaud you, if you are continuing to do that and and 899 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,900 thank you dr. Hotez for everything that you've 900 00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:49,100 done and, and for being a truth teller. 901 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,600 Well, thank you Michael. You know, you've been all along 902 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,700 one of my Inspirations for exactly that. 903 00:51:55,700 --> 00:51:59,800 And, you know, your work is giving me a lot of courage to do 904 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,500 these kinds of things. So So, I'm very grateful to you 905 00:52:02,500 --> 00:52:05,600 and your decades-long commitment. 906 00:52:05,900 --> 00:52:08,600 That's very kind of you to say that and don't worry about the 907 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,800 so-called Patriot groups. You know, they haven't found me 908 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,700 out of 30 years, you know? You're going to be okay. 909 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,200 Well, thank you Michael and again deeply appreciative for 910 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,700 all your inspiration and your your help. 911 00:52:21,700 --> 00:52:23,300 I deep. I'm really grateful. 912 00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:25,700 Thank you so much and thank you. All of you. 913 00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:29,500 Thank you for tuning in to rumble today. 914 00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:32,800 On this very important. Tintin topic that is still with 915 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,900 us and will be with us until we all come together and do what 916 00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:42,000 needs to be done. Many thanks, thanks to our 917 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,900 executive producer, bezel Hamden, our sound engineer. 918 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,500 Nick was in to everybody else who helps me with this podcast. 919 00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:53,700 It's all greatly greatly appreciated and will be back 920 00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:56,200 next week with Rumble with Michael Moore. 921 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,400 I'm Michael Moore and have a good week.