I sure am. I sure.
Hello everyone. This is Rumble with Michael
Moore and I'm like, more hope all of you are doing.
Well, didn't get much play yesterday, but there was a story
in the news about Pope Francis. He had just returned from a
week-long, visit to Canada, which we're going to get into
here in a minute and he was in a wheelchair the entire time.
He was there. And when he got back to Rome
mentioned to somebody in the press that he was pretty drawn.
On out and exhausted and not feeling well.
And perhaps he would resign sometime in the near future or
future or whatever. And of course, you know, I first
thought when I heard that was. Geez, that's really not a good
idea if you can hold out because the next Pope probably will not
think the same way you think and do the things that you've done.
I am fish Ali recovering Catholic baptized and raised in
the Catholic Church went to Catholic schools went to the
Seminary and High School in the hopes that that time of being a
priest. I was young and I actually got
to meet Pope Francis about four years ago in the fall of 2018,
and it was quite a wonderful moment that I had with him.
We were all in Rome for the here of my film Fahrenheit, 11 9 and
I'd wanted to meet him for some time and one of the people in my
crew contacted the Vatican and said Michael Moore would like to
meet the pope and then somebody got on the line and said Yeah,
that'd be great. And so I don't know the next day
or two. There we weren't Vatican Square
for his weekly public audience that he does out on the steps of
st. Peter's, Basilica gives a little
sermon and then it goes down to blast the sick and others in
need of of his help. And after all that's over,
there's a small group of people that get to speak with him.
Eventually. And on that day, I was one of
them as was Martin Luther King's Daughter, the new ambassador to
Mexico. The Vatican and seems like there
were one or two others there. I can't remember.
What my sister Veronica was with me, and so when it came my time
and he sees me, he gets, he gets all happy and grabs my hand and
shakes it and clasps it. Very Hard and immediately wants
to start talking to me about my films that he's seen, which I'm
like, I'm thinking Pope's, don't watch my movies, but he had and
he went into this about my films.
And then he says to me, why aren't you making more of them?
And I'm like, wow, you know, he's my films, they take a while
to make, they don't have a script documentaries.
Nonfiction, he says, you need to make more films and you need to
make them now, I was being scolded, essentially had Pope
for not working hard enough and I said, no, no, I'm listen, I've
always making a film. And yes, there will be one soon.
And of course, you know, this is three or four years ago and the
pan Mike here tonight, held everything up.
And you know, I'm back at work now but but I was happy that he
that he cared enough to issue a Papal, decree that I need to
make more movies. And I said to him, I said I
would love to ask you a question.
Any little CC says I said, do you think capitalism is a sin?
Is it evil at a few people get wealthy off the many who don't.
He says the SEC says, this is a sin because I think Pope John
Paul. The second is predecessor of his
head made sort of the same statement more in the context of
there were these two evils referring to the old Soviet
Union and what they called communism.
But also that capitalism. And so, Pope Francis says to me,
says, greed, its greed, is what it is.
And it is a sin. I said, well, I'm really happy
to hear you say that. And then he made a couple of
other comments about what we need to do to make things more
Equitable in this world. And then just as we were in his
handlers which - get him away from me and I said, just one
more one more thing, don't forget women women in the church
are not equal as they are not in many societies and countries,
and I think this should be a real top priority.
And he says, yes, you are right women.
We must do this. And off off, he went He handed
one of his handlers, a rosary that he gave to me.
My sister was taking pictures of this post one or two of them
here on this on the sub stack of this podcast.
But I want to talk about his trip to Canada and I want to
talk about the treatment of the indigenous people of both Canada
and the United States your for a few minutes.
And what I learned last week about something in the Catholic
Church. I'd never heard of before.
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Bolt. So last week on Monday, July
25th, 2022. Pope Francis flew from the
Vatican in Rome to Alberta Canada.
And he had met with leaders of the various indigenous peoples
of Canada either. I think earlier this year or
last year at the Vatican, he invited them there, he wanted to
apologize to them for the treatment by the Catholic Church
to the indigenous, people of Canada and all the horror that
the church cost in terms of these schools, Native children
were kidnapped essentially from their parents made to go to
these schools. They were seriously, abused, or
assaulted thousands actually died.
While they were attending these so-called Indian schools and he
wanted to apologize to them in person and ask for their
forgiveness. And when they were there, they
suggested that maybe he come to Canada in person.
And say to the people, the indigenous people of Canada.
And he said yes and so last week, that's what he did, he
went to Canada and for about five or six days, he traveled
from Alberta, which is in the west all the way over to Quebec
in the East and up to the native peoples of the north, the Inuit
people. They have their own territory
called Nunavut. And so during these five or six
days last week, he went and visited all the places where
these Catholic schools were for the native peoples and issued
one apology after another. His people wheeled him into
various cemeteries of unmarked Graves where these dead children
were buried. It was very powerful, very
emotional, most of the Native Canadians.
Also use that word here were appreciative and grateful for
the apology, but it really wasn't everything that they were
looking for. And we're not talking about
reparations, which is another whole subject, which both the
Canadians and people of this country, the Americans still
have never really fully and truly addressed, and we will
deal with that on another episode but For the purposes of
what I wanted to say today. This was essentially initiated
by a letter I received on the day that the pope arrived in
Canada from a Canadian also. A Canadian who is a member of
and a descendant of the indigenous people of Canada and
her name is Buffy sainte-marie. Now, if you're my age or older
you remember her, as one of the early folk singers of the 60s
became very famous writing the song universe.
Soldier and a number of other songs played first in Toronto.
But then came down to New York and became famous in the
Greenwich, Village along with Bob Dylan, and Joan Baez, and
Ramblin Jack Elliott, Johnny Cash and others folk singers of
that. This new era of Folk Music in
the early 60s and she's had a career that is still going
strong. She's 81 years old.
Now, she's released records in every decade since the 60s that
she was the first indigenous person to win an Oscar, an
Academy Award for writing the song up where we belong, that
was the title song Officer and a Gentleman.
So she's had quite a career on many levels beloved
well-respected and I'm just opening up my email on Monday
and here's an email from her. She writes.
Hi, Michael regarding the Pope in Canada.
The news channels are saying that indigenous people are
calling for quote, an apology from Pope Francis that's
inaccurate. He has already apologized to us.
We're calling on the Pope in the Catholic church to overturn the
doctrine of Discovery. Rescind it, make it go away
forever. It is still the active document
referred to in us and Canadian courts.
Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg used it in 2005 to defeat the tribe in
New York state which she later said that she regretted she
continues from The doctrine of Discovery written in 1452 by
Pope. Nicholas.
The fifth. It says that explorers European,
explorers, who come upon inhabited lands.
Are instructed by the pope to quote, invade search out
capture, Vanquish and subdue, all pagans whatsoever and to
reduce their persons to Perpetual slavery. these
explorers must appropriate in other words, steel and give to
the pope and his successors, all of the inhabitants slaves,
kingdoms counties, dominions possessions, and goods and to
convert these pagans And I thought, what I was going to
read here convert them to Catholicism, it's not what it
said. The doctrine says and convert
them to his use and profit. Wow.
She goes on the doctrine of Discovery is still active in the
courts of colonized countries throughout the world, affecting
the daily life of most indigenous people everywhere
still today. I was like okay wait a minute
man, I grew up Catholic went to Catholic schools.
I'd never heard of the doctrine of Discovery from 1452 the.
So this is like what 40 years before Columbus issue by the
pope, to all those who are exploring new worlds throughout
the planet. And whenever they came upon any
of it, they were to seize it. In the name of the Catholic
Church, make an All of its inhabitants and to take all of
its riches and possessions in any Goods that they have and
convert them to the Pope's use and profit.
Well you when you read something like this, I think the first
thing you want to think is okay dude.
You're talking about 1452 they must have gotten rid of this by
now. So I started to do some research
and sure enough. It's still in existence this
papal Doctrine, still in existence, still the rule of law
as far as the Catholic Church goes and then used remarkably by
secular governments. Like the United States, they use
it and refer to it in the in the same way.
Remember the when the row v Wade decision was leaked two months,
early alito's. His draft of what they were
going to release. And in that draft, he couldn't
find anything to base a legal argument on taking women's
rights away. So he went back to the 1200s To
pull some kind of decree from some king or I was so crazy.
And it was so mocked when it was leaked that he thought to
himself, I better pull this this line out.
This makes me sound crazy. And so when they actual decision
to get rid of Roe v-- Wade happens.
It's not in the decision because he knew he knew I always love
it. When the crazy know that they're
crazy. So anyway, so in researching
this, we discovered that not only did this actually happen in
the 1400s, That it's still treated as an active document to
this day. I'm going to put a link on the
podcast page here. Story from the National
Geographic on the history of the doctrine of Discovery.
It's called how the centuries-old Catholic.
Decree encouraged colonization. Wow.
And you can read, there will be a link here to that, you can
read the actual one of these doctrines for yourself.
There was one that we year after Columbus, discovered the
Americas, Pope Alexander, the sixth issued updated, the decree
And I'll tell you read, one quote from the doctrine, the
Catholic doctrine of 1493, the pope wrote among other works,
pleasing. The Divine majesty and close to
our heart. This indeed stands out the most,
that of elevating, the Catholic faith, and the Christian
religion, especially in these times as well as extending.
And spreading it everywhere. Securing the Salvation of Souls
and subduing, the barbarous Nations, and bringing them back
to the faith itself to the Pope's credit.
When he was in Canada, last week, he called this brand of
Christianity evil and that the Catholic Church committed evil
acts. That's the word he used evil.
all the damage and the pain and the destruction caused
throughout the world for hundreds of years because of
Faith, because of this Catholic faith, That basically said they
were the one true people going to heaven and all the other
pagans than everybody else unless they joined up, we're
going to burn in hell and just so that they don't have to wait
till they die and burn in hell. We're going to make their lives,
utterly miserable in the meantime.
The indigenous people of Canada last week, we're hoping to hear
that the pope was going to make this doctrine of Discovery, null
and void and he did not. Now he did say and do many, many
many good things last week and he said it before but it's
always this way and you known as much as I like this guy and love
the moment and will cherish it you know that I had with him a
couple of years ago. It's like you want them to go
all the way he starts to say these things, you know, crazy
things. That wonderful crazy I should
say things that he said, since he's been Pope that have
outraged, the Conservative Catholics like when he said that
atheists, go to heaven a place. By the way, they're not
interested in going to. But nonetheless, he said that,
the welcome male there was Open to atheists, he's trying to undo
a lot of the sort of cruel. And mean, spirited rules of the
Catholic Church toward people who happened to be homosexual,
who don't agree with the Catholic church or whatever, but
it's never really quite in all the way and you've seen this,
you know what I mean? And very disappointing.
Last week I said be in Juneau when the Supreme Court of this
country took the rights of women away from them, making them have
less less rights than the Lesser rights.
They already had in this country and instead of coming out and
just issuing a decree that a fertilized egg is not a human
being and that a fetus is not a human being.
He said some kind of whatever. Sounding supportive of the
Supreme Court decision. And what's awfully wrong about
this is that the Supreme Court essentially has now made it the
law of the land. That we have to follow Catholic
Doctrine. It's Catholic doctrine.
That says that the moment, a sperm fertilizes, an egg, that's
a human being with a soul. And that's not true.
And it's a made-up active convenience to continue, whether
it's the Catholic church or the patriarchy wherever it exists to
control women in their lives. To keep men in power.
And the fact that that he couldn't say anything until the
truth about this was extremely disappointing.
And what's interesting too is that just a couple of days ago
the pope said that he is a believer in the separation of
church and state that the Catholic church and no religion
should impose their will as the will of a particular country.
Again very, very powerful to and to say this, right after our
Supreme Court did exactly that are Catholic Supreme Court did
exactly that. No free Society can be a society
that is ruled by the tenants of one religion.
Whether you're the United States, whether you're the
Church of England, whether your Israel, whatever it is, you
know, or any of the numerous Islamic States.
This is as the pope said the other day, it's just an immoral
action. But will return in other
episodes to this to this issue and how we're going to deal with
the destruction of Roe v-- Wade. I want to just I want to stay on
this. What I wanted to say here about
the native peoples of the United States and of Canada, and of
this particular doctrine of the Catholic Church.
Pope Francis, if you are listening to me right now or if
someone is listening for you and translating for you, you were
you a present? Yourself to me as such a great
fan. You quoted you referenced things
in my movies. It was clear that you knew what
I was about and what I'm trying to say in these films and you
even admonished me to make more of them, I have to ask you to
please at the very least, now that you've returned from Canada
and visiting indigenous peoples of various parts of Canada.
That you announce that this doctrine of Discovery from 1452
and an updated after that, updated sounds like such a
polite word made worse that you say that, that the Catholic
Church no longer believes in this.
Please renounce this Doctrine. It's not only like a outdated.
It's immoral, it's a sin you said so it's wrong.
The way that the Catholic Church used religion and the way that
the government's that were primarily Catholic, used
religion to conquer the world to colonize, its people to enslave,
its people to kill, its people in the name of Jesus Christ.
There's nothing you better. You could do on your return
right now to Rome. Then to say that I'm the pope,
you know, God talks through me and this Doctrine is over and
then add. Now we have to make reparations
for all the damage to hundreds of years that the Catholic
church in Christianity has caused called the Archbishop of
Canterbury or whatever, whoever runs the Church of England, get
them in on this too. Because The damage and
destruction that they did throughout the world Rivals,
much of what the Catholic Church did.
But let's send that Let's acknowledge what it is.
Let's make these reparations. And then come back if you can
and meet with the native peoples here in the United States and
helped lead the way. So that I and my fellow
Americans, we still have not done the right thing.
Native Americans along with the African Americans occupy, the
lowest rung on our socio-economic ladder.
They are still the most abused. And have the least Among Us.
And that has to change. And again, I know you said, when
you got back, it was a hard trip.
You're not. Well, you can't walk and that
maybe you'll quit soon. Don't quit.
Don't quit soon. There's a lot to be done.
You need to guide the forest. Birthing people here in this
country away. From their Insanity.
You need to say that women have a right to choose.
That a seed is a seed, and a stem is a stem, and a flower is
a flower. A seed is not a flower.
You need to say this very clearly when it comes to talking
about human beings. You need to stand up for women.
I know it sounds like um I'm admonishing you now but you know
fair's fair here. I took the heart what you told
me and now I ask you to do the same as my friend.
As somebody who does admire you and who cares that you succeed?
Please be well. Please fix that.
Which no other Pope is going to fix.
Let's do the right thing here. Thank you for coming to North
America last week. Thank you for what you said and
did. But now let's go the final 10
yards and it's a big ten yards because it is a Catholic
doctrine that still exists. That still says, it's okay to
take from those who have very little that says that there is a
still a right to enslave them. And to force them into
Christianity, come on, come on. I know you.
You and I held each other's hands for the longest period of
time that day. And we looked into each other's
eyes. With complete and burning
honesty. And you spoke to me the truth.
About capitalism. About the wealthy about the
poor. And it moved me in a profound
way. I asked you.
To do this, for the native and Indigenous people.
In our country, in Canada and throughout the world.
Bless you, and thank you. I think my producer Angel
embargoes for helping me and I think all of you who are
listening and participating in this podcast and in my
substitute B. Well this is my home or and this
is horrible. He's five foot.
Do any six feet for he fights with missiles and with spheres.
He's all 31 and he's only 17, he's been nicer.
Solder for a thousand years. He's a Catholic in do an
atheist, a Jane, a borders, and a Baptist and a jail and he
knows he should have killed and he knows he always will kill you
for me, my friend and me for you.
And he's fighting for Canada. He's fighting for friends is
fighting for the USA and is fighting for the Russians and
he's fighting for Japan and he thinks will pour them into war
this way. And he's fighting Democracy is
fighting for the Reds. He says, explore the piece of
all. He is the one who must decide
who goes to live and who's gonna die, and he never sees the
writing on the walls. But why would Tim Howard Hitler?
Have condemned him at the house without him.
Caesar would have still more. He is the one who gives his body
as a weapon to the war, and without a mall is killing.
Can't go on. Here's the universal Soldier and
he really is the play. But as Waters, come from far
away, no more, they come from him and you and me and brothers.
Can't you see? This is not the way we put an
end to war. This is not the way we put an
end to war.