1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,360 Now I've been happy lately thinking about the good things 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,440 to come. And I believe it could be 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,960 something good has begun for a while. 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,680 Been smiling lately, dreaming about the world of 1. 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,240 And I believe it could be someday. 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:28,400 It's going to come without all the air to dawn their eyes of 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,240 Peace Train or Peace Train take this. 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:39,400 Country come Take Me Home again. God been smiling lately thinking 9 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:44,520 about the good things to come and I believe it could be 10 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:51,440 something good has begun or Peace train sounding louder than 11 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:52,560 light on. The peace train. 12 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,400 Woo, woo, come on the peace train. 13 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,080 And then, of course, that's the great Cat Stevens singing Peace 14 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,240 Train song I grew up with as a teenager. 15 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:20,800 Now it, I don't know how the song, how it feels, what it 16 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,040 means to those of you. Some of you maybe are hearing it 17 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,560 for the first time. This is Michael Moore, by the 18 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,880 way. You're listening to Rumble with 19 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:36,360 Michael Moore and a few days ago part one we were at a a big 20 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:41,120 demonstration at Grand Central Station in New York City where 21 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:48,240 1000 plus Jewish Americans essentially took over this huge 22 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:55,520 iconic train station during rush hour last Friday night to insist 23 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,480 that. President Biden pushed for a 24 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,720 ceasefire. Did all the killing stop on both 25 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,000 sides and that we figure this out? 26 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,680 Jewish Voice for Peace organized this thing. 27 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,080 About 3 to 400 of them sat down on the floor in the middle of 28 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:19,000 this massive train station to non violently peacefully protest 29 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:24,520 the killing of any Palestinians as revenge for what Hamas did. 30 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,120 And it's. Horrific butchering of human 31 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,440 beings there on October 7th in Israel. 32 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:38,240 The New York Police came in and put the zip ties on 3 or 400, 33 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,800 mostly Jews and their allies. A lot of people willing to risk 34 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,080 being arrested and maybe taken away. 35 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,640 And nobody wants to stay in a New York City jail over the 36 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:53,480 weekend. But thank you for all the 37 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,120 response from all of you who wrote to me about the comments 38 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,040 that were made, the the different things that these 39 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,760 Jewish activists were saying to try and stop this madness and to 40 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,000 protect the people of Palestine and the children of Palestine. 41 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,120 A lot of great comments from all of you. 42 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,640 It's so heartening and very little hate mail from people. 43 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,200 So it's very powerful that I promised you at the end of that 44 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,160 Part 2 would happen and here it is. 45 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:27,240 Part 2 of this episode called War No More of my podcast here 46 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:32,840 and the next day what happened is my team Basil Hamden, the 47 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,480 original executive producer and Co founder of this endeavor, and 48 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:43,120 Angie Vargos who is the current executive producer and editor of 49 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:48,120 this and they the next day this would be this past Saturday went 50 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,280 out to Brooklyn. Where another mass demonstration 51 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,240 had been called, this time led by Palestinian Americans. 52 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,240 It started out at the Brooklyn Museum and they marched across 53 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,920 the the borough Brooklyn to the Barclays Center. 54 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,200 The big arena where the Brooklyn Nets and the the New York 55 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:11,720 Liberty WNBA teams play and also lots of concerts and things 56 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,040 there. And then from the Barclays 57 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,640 Center, they they picked up more people who were rallying there 58 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,000 and then. They walked over to the Brooklyn 59 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,560 Bridge and they decided to cross the bridge, which I don't know 60 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,920 if the police were ready for that, but it basically shut down 61 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,160 the bridge for hours on a Saturday night. 62 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:30,960 But they're very, very few arrests. 63 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,440 Everybody was peaceful, but everybody was insistent that the 64 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,480 slaughter stop, and they went across the Brooklyn Bridge and 65 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:44,040 ended up in Lower Manhattan and finally at Union Square and 66 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:49,360 again, Basil and Angie. Did some incredible interviews 67 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,440 and basically did what I What I'm going to do again here is to 68 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:58,360 turn the microphone over to not just Palestinians this time who 69 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,680 had so many important things to say, but also their allies. 70 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,360 What was striking about this demonstration, which was 71 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:09,120 probably three times as large as the one led by the Jewish groups 72 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,560 at Grand Central? It's also probably the largest 73 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,600 pro Palestinian demonstration in New York City for since I don't 74 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,080 know, forever. And while the demonstrations 75 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,600 that are going on, I mean you have the people that support 76 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:27,120 Benjamin Netanyahu and and support what Israel is doing 77 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,920 right now. They've had their also their 78 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,120 protests. But these protests, the pro 79 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:38,720 peace protests again are twice, three times as large as the 80 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,440 others. And this one on Saturday was. 81 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,840 Probably four or five times as large as anything I've seen 82 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:50,840 that's out there supporting Netanyahu and his gang of fellow 83 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:54,800 indictees who've been indicted in Israel before this event 84 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:59,720 happened and are up for trial for their breaking the law there 85 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,200 in Israel. And of course, the other thing 86 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,240 that they've been doing is trying to destroy their own 87 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,520 Supreme Court, so that. They could get away with what 88 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,880 they want to get away with in their government, the very right 89 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,040 wing government, a very autocratic pro. 90 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:18,480 I would call it fascist in in a sense that that they don't 91 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,320 really believe in. I think what a lot of people in 92 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,480 Israel and and have believed in the past in terms of trying to 93 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:29,440 form a democracy and of course it's been a somewhat failed 94 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,200 attempt over these 75 years because they can't quite figure 95 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,520 out how to have a. How to be a democracy and a 96 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,040 theocracy, to call something a Jewish state when it's a 97 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,920 democracy, which means everybody who lives there as an equal say, 98 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,320 that's been the difficult act of pull off. 99 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:52,880 And so, like in America, you have a 2 tier, 3 tier system of 100 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,720 those who are the ones who really get to be in charge and 101 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:00,440 have full rights, and the others who have lesser rights and are 102 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,680 struggling to be recognized and to be seen as equal human 103 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,880 beings. By those in charge. 104 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,480 So nothing we don't know anything about. 105 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:13,600 As Americans, you know, we remember often times the OG of 106 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,720 whether it's the genocide that we did to the native peoples 107 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,760 here in this country, to building our country with 108 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,560 enslaved human beings, kidnapped. 109 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,400 Talk about kidnapping hostages. I mean, I don't. 110 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,120 I don't know what the numbers are for how many hundreds of 111 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,040 thousands or millions. Of Africans that were kidnapped 112 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,920 by white people that were quote founding this country of ours, 113 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,360 but they built it with these kidnapped human beings that they 114 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,720 tortured, that they put in chains, that they lynched, 115 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,000 raped, brutal torture. And that's the story they don't 116 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,760 want to tell our children in school anymore as they try to 117 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,400 prohibit history being taught anyway. 118 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,120 So this Palestinian LED demonstration, Palestinian 119 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,800 Americans, Arab Americans, Muslim Americans. 120 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,920 On Saturday. But once Basil and Angie arrived 121 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:09,040 there, they could see how broad the scope and the diversity was 122 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,960 of the people who showed up to support the people of Gaza. 123 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,960 And it was not just the Arabs and Palestinians. 124 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,520 It was all groups, all ethnicities. 125 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,200 It had the sense of Basil, who's, you know, his his parents 126 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,040 are ones from Palestine, the others from Syria. 127 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,640 He said to me, he said, I've never, all these years here, 128 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,919 I've never seen so many different groups of people show 129 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:37,080 up to support us, to recognize us. 130 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,440 In that sense, you have, if you have ever, you know, if you 131 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,799 belong to a certain ethnic group in this country over the years 132 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:47,200 and how many years your parents or grandparents try to just get 133 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,880 by. But being not seen, Being 134 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,560 invisible, almost, and not really getting to participate in 135 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:56,520 the American Dream in the way that, say, others have have. 136 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,880 We've been able to do that. And on Saturday, he and others 137 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,320 who grew up here grew up in New York City. 138 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,200 And in the areas around New York City, here were all these other 139 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,880 people. Here were white people showing 140 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:17,160 up to support them and to support their relatives in Gaza. 141 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,800 And also the you'll hear from when you hear these voices in a 142 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,560 minute, how the majority really of the crowd, of the marchers, 143 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,920 of the protesters. Were women. 144 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:32,760 This was like a female majority demonstration. 145 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,520 It was uplifting. And you're about to hear from 146 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,720 them and listen, let me tell you, they're going to, some of 147 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,480 them are going to say things that are going to be hard to 148 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,480 hear. I just asked that that if 149 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,840 obviously if you're not of them and you haven't lived their 150 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,600 lives, please listen. Please listen even to the stuff 151 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,040 where you might disagree with it or you don't feel good about it 152 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,400 or whatever. But if we don't listen to all of 153 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,520 us, don't listen to each other, we're not going to make it. 154 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:04,280 You're going to hear from some of the the marchers, their 155 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,360 feelings about Joe Biden, and it will crush some of you. 156 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,160 And you're going to say, Mike, why are you running this? 157 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,840 Why are you writing these voices? 158 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,040 This is not what we need to hear right now. 159 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,480 We don't need Trump to come back. 160 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,440 We can't have Trump come back. We have to stop Trump. 161 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,920 And they're just asking at what expense? 162 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:31,720 And they're kind of asking us to not say at any expense because 163 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:38,840 you you can't have somebody in the Oval Office that suddenly is 164 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,640 not acting on the values that we thought he had or that we 165 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,880 believe that he had. And I'm not saying I agree with 166 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,200 it. I don't know if I will go this 167 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,760 far but. But I thought I left it in here 168 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,040 because I want you to hear it. I want you to hear what young 169 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,440 people are thinking. We can't lose a single vote here 170 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,320 if you really want to stop Trump from coming back. 171 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,080 And it's a little scary to hear how depressed, how full of 172 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,680 despair, they feel right now regarding him and the things 173 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:14,000 that he's, he said. I don't know if you saw this in 174 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,640 the news this week, but he mentioned how he'd seen the 175 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,560 photographs of the beheaded babies. 176 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,080 And then his his White House made him walk that back the next 177 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,360 day because, well, because he he didn't. 178 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,880 And yet he added to the He contributed to this sort of this 179 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,520 utter crazed feeling everybody has right now because of the 180 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,160 horror of October 7th. You know you understand it, but 181 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:45,440 now you don't know what is being said and who's doing what and. 182 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,000 I want you to listen to this, my friends, and I'm talking really 183 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,400 to people of my generation, boomers, Gen. 184 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:57,240 Xers, and we got to figure this out, 'cause there's bigger fish 185 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,800 here that we're dealing with and we got to do the right thing. 186 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,400 So I'll turn it over to Basil and Angie, and I'll talk to you 187 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,520 in a few minutes after you hear from some of these incredible 188 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:14,480 young people, mostly women, frankly, our failure to listen 189 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,680 to them. Is at our own peril. 190 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:43,960 Here we go after last night going to Grand 191 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,680 Central Station, where Jewish Voice for Peace organized more 192 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:53,240 than 1000, Not just Jewish New Yorkers, but Jewish New Yorkers 193 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:58,280 and many allies to fight for a ceasefire in Palestine and in 194 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,920 Gaza. This is Basil Hampton here with 195 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,080 Angie Vargos and we're in Brooklyn, NY. 196 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:09,200 It is a Palestinian American organized protest calling for 197 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,880 ceasefire in Gaza and freedom for Palestinians, and calling 198 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:18,040 for an end of ethnic cleansing and genocide in Palestine and in 199 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:23,720 Gaza. We're at the Brooklyn Museum 200 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,760 right now where everyone is congregating, and it looks like 201 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,040 pretty soon the crowd is going to head over to the Barclays 202 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,400 Center and then later to the Brooklyn Bridge. 203 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,400 So we're going to walk around, talk to some folks here why 204 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,160 they've decided to come today. My name is Leanne. 205 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,000 I'm from Palestine, born and raised in New York. 206 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,480 Where in Palestine is your family from? 207 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,480 My family is from Britannia. That's near, near Jerusalem, 208 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,800 correct? Yes, in the West Bank, how is 209 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,960 your family back home doing right now? 210 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:58,120 Not good. I the family that I have back 211 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,400 home, most of us are here. There is a couple people still 212 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,160 there. And they're definitely not doing 213 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,040 good. There's been a lot of pressure 214 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,400 trying to get people fired, trying to get people canceled. 215 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:09,960 I. Actually almost got fired from 216 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,920 my job for wearing this hat right here that says what it 217 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,040 says Free palace. Time. 218 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,280 And I was wearing it every single day for months, and they 219 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,800 tried to fire me for wearing this hat when I came in last 220 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,840 week and I made a very big deal about it. 221 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,880 And I told him, this is not something political. 222 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,240 This is something for human rights, for general human rights 223 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,920 for everybody, not just us. I hope you've been able to keep 224 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:30,480 your job. Oh, of. 225 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,000 Course, yeah. I talked to them and my boss. 226 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,480 Both my bosses are very nice and they understand the issue. 227 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,960 We have somebody at my job that is from Israel and their family 228 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,760 lives there. So they did complain about my 229 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,720 hat, but of course I stood up because this is for general 230 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,040 human rights. A lot of people have turned out 231 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,680 today, not just Palestinians, not just Arabs, but this is a 232 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,840 very big crowd. It's a very diverse crowd. 233 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,040 How does it feel to be in a crowd like this today? 234 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,240 It feels amazing We have all types of people here because 235 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:58,840 this is the root of all oppression. 236 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,520 And if everybody stands up for this oppression, then we'll all 237 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,400 be safe. But if we don't fight this 238 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,560 oppression, then the whole world is in danger of being oppressed. 239 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,400 So if the whole world doesn't stand up for this, then we will 240 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:15,920 have no peace. Can you tell me what your 241 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,440 science says? Yeah, it says from Bodhiken to 242 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,280 Palestine and the Occupation. I organized with Brooklyn 243 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,520 Bodhikwa Resistance and we have a contingent here of over 40 244 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,840 people supporting Palestine in solidarity. 245 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,760 Because all of our struggles are interconnected, from Puerto 246 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:37,280 Rico, where the US has colonized us for over 100 years, to 247 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,920 Palestine, where they've been living under an occupation for 248 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,880 75 years. We have to be in solidarity, 249 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,520 because we're not free till we're all free. 250 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,080 Should I read the statement here? 251 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,880 From China to the US, empires must die. 252 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,520 From Xinjiang to Palestine. Yeah, Price must be free. 253 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,040 And why are you here today? I'm here because I support the 254 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,360 Palestinian cause. I've been to West Bank, been to 255 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,400 the border of Gaza, and I've seen what the occupation looks 256 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:03,440 like. And it's brutal. 257 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,240 And I think as a human being, this is what I should support. 258 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,640 Yeah. Thank you so much. 259 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:09,520 Yeah. And I'm Chinese. 260 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,000 There's a lot of human rights abused back home as well. 261 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,840 So I relate to what Palestinians are going through right now. 262 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,360 So I was born in Korea, which is a historically imperialized 263 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,920 country. That was also influenced by US 264 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:27,840 imperial rule. It's divided Korea and we just 265 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,040 want unity in Korea and a free Palestine. 266 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,400 And those two liberation are intertwined along with the 267 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,840 liberation of all people under oppressive systems. 268 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,280 And would you mind reading your sign for me? 269 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,080 Sure, there is a reason that the NAFA and the division of Korea 270 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,480 coincided in 1948 backed by the same imperialist interests. 271 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:55,880 Ceasefire What do we want? Ceasefire What do we want? 272 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,640 What do we want? Ceasefire What do we want? 273 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:02,600 What? Do we want? 274 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,160 What do we want? My name is Naomi Brussel, born 275 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:06,800 in New Jersey. I live in Brooklyn. 276 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,520 What brings you here today? It's the only time that I don't 277 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,319 feel miserable. Is when I'm with other people 278 00:17:13,319 --> 00:17:16,680 who are protesting about this horrible process that's going on 279 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:21,280 of of thousands of people being murdered by the Israeli military 280 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:27,000 with our money, with the support of all of the Western nations to 281 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,640 commit a genocide. It's it's it's horrific. 282 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,640 I don't know if you read the media about this rally and other 283 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,160 pro Palestinians. What I have seen them say is 284 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:44,480 that the Hamas attack on. The Israelis was horrific, and 285 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:49,520 it was horrific. And then they don't really say 286 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,600 why this type of an attack took place. 287 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:58,600 They don't say what the actual roots of this problem are, and 288 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,760 they don't really focus on what's happening to Palestinian 289 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,880 people. They're just not doing it. 290 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,440 Once in a while you might see, Oh yeah, a lot of people, 291 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,960 they're mourning because their children and and mothers and 292 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,000 fathers and grandfathers have been killed and their houses 293 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,680 have been crashed down on top of them. 294 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,320 And also there's people buried in the rubble whose bodies you 295 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,080 can't even get to. I mean, that's what they don't 296 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,240 talk about. And the normal, you know, 297 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,480 mainstream, so to speak, the media. 298 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,160 And that's, that's in the end, as you would say, it's a shunda. 299 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,320 It's disgusting. It's a shame. 300 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,680 It's shameful on those. So-called journalists that are 301 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,080 not really talking about the truth, you just use the phrase 302 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,160 ashandar. So are you a Jewish American? 303 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,880 I am a Jew. Yes, they say. 304 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,120 This is a a pro Hamas rally, a pro terrorist rally. 305 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:48,880 I mean the. Well, because they're not 306 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,440 distinguishing between Hamas and the Palestinian people. 307 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,400 They're not talking about how Hamas actually developed as a 308 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,360 force. They're not talking about the 309 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:02,320 actual history of what's gone on there for the last 100 years. 310 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,840 They're not talking about it. Hopefully, Michael Morris, but 311 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,680 you know this. This is a a disaster, a 312 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,800 catastrophe, another knock up for the Palestinian people. 313 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,720 They've suffered too much. They're suffering now. 314 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:25,040 It has to stop. So it's on us as people who live 315 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,200 in the United States, who live in the belly of the beast, to 316 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,240 demand. We demand an end to the ongoing 317 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,160 genocide of the Palestinian people, funded by U.S. tax 318 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:41,120 dollars. It's not just like they're 319 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:43,480 writing checks. They are sending warships, 320 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,440 warships full of missiles, hundreds of missiles 321 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:52,960 manufactured by U.S. companies who stocks went up, companies 322 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,880 like way beyond. Companies like helping systems 323 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,680 like General Dynamics War profiteers. 324 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,040 These war profiteer stocks went up. 325 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,760 They are pocketing blood money. the US is benefiting from this 326 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,120 genocide one way or another. How many? 327 00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:16,040 Kids, did you kill today? How many kids did you kill? 328 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,640 Today it says Protect Gaza, USA, stop bankrolling genocide and 329 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,880 what? What brings you here today? 330 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,600 Oh, I want my tax dollars to stop funding genocide in Gaza 331 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,600 and Palestine. We're really upset about the 332 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,760 genocide in Gaza, and we'd like to see Palestine to be free. 333 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,240 And who are you here with today? I'm here with my boyfriend and 334 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,000 my son, he just turned one. He's been to a lot of Palestine 335 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,280 rallies in the last couple weeks and we hope he won't have to go 336 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,680 to too many more before the. Ceasefire. 337 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,720 Just it's it's terrifying seeing all the major institutions in 338 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,600 our country line up for genocide and support it. 339 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,280 It's really horrifying. The Kuni administration has been 340 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:11,400 demonizing students speaking up in in defense of Palestine and 341 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,200 Palestinian life. But we are here to show that 342 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,440 Kuni stands with Palestine and people all over the world stand 343 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,920 with Palestine right now. I'm Hosnia and I'm from Bosnia. 344 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,240 What brings you here today? Basically we're all here sitting 345 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,560 behind our phones, seeing what's going on in Palestine and the 346 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,720 most we could do is protest and donate and pray and so I'm 347 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,960 really trying my best to make some type of change. 348 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,320 As a Bosnian, is there a reason why this issue is important to 349 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:37,560 you? Yeah. 350 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,360 Yeah, very big reason. During the last war in Bosnia, 351 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:44,080 there was a Bosnian genocide over 8000 people were murdered 352 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,400 just because of their religion, just because they're being 353 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,040 Muslim. And the people who also murdered 354 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,720 them were trained by Israeli IDF soldiers. 355 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,720 You mentioned you've been following the news closely on 356 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,440 your phone for the past couple of weeks. 357 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,560 How hard has that been? Terrible. 358 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,960 I can't. I've actually had midterms the 359 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,200 past week and it's been really tough to just sit down and focus 360 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,920 when this is happening in the world right now and nobody is 361 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,160 doing anything. You know what I mean? 362 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,360 You want to add in of. Course, of course. 363 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,800 Can we just get your first name, Zana? 364 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:15,320 Thank you. As a CUNY college student, 365 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,080 thousands of students have gotten the same e-mail from the 366 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,600 chancellor of the New York State. 367 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,120 And they showed like their their remorse and everything for 368 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:28,800 Israelis. And as a Muslim, I'm going to 369 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,480 get a motion. They really just don't focus on 370 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,840 the mental health of Muslims. They haven't spoke anything 371 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,000 about the past 75 years that Palestinians have been going 372 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,600 through. And I just think it's very 373 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,160 inconsiderate just to focus on one one mental health group 374 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,880 rather than all their students, you know? 375 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,640 I talked to some teachers that were from CUNY here today that 376 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,520 were also protesting and they said that the administration was 377 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,440 pushing back on students that would support Palestine. 378 00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,920 Did you find that? I did. 379 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,080 And I also noticed that a lot of college students have been 380 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,800 either getting expelled, suspended just for simply 381 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,160 showing up to protest. A day before this war broke out, 382 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,560 I was writing my essay about Al Aqsa Mosque, which is in 383 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,360 Jerusalem, which the next day got attacked. 384 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:17,360 Muslims are not even allowed to step foot in there without 385 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,720 putting a gun to their head. And I was honestly worried about 386 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,520 even writing my essay, just knowing that the fact that me 387 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,080 speaking my voice could basically decide if I can even 388 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,040 continue my education or not. But that's exactly what they 389 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,360 want us to do. They want us to stay quiet. 390 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:34,680 They want us to not speak out. They already started shadow 391 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,360 banning everybody's Instagram stories. 392 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,160 The amount of stories of mine that got deleted for for nudity 393 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,240 and for, yeah, which has absolutely nothing, has nothing 394 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,000 to do with anything that we've been posting. 395 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,200 They're just trying to silence everybody. 396 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,640 I think it's disgusting, honestly. 397 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,520 It's a it's a political tactic because when you make the other 398 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,320 side seem less than you make them seem like animals, like 399 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,520 terrorists, then nobody has any humanity left for them. 400 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,600 And then it creates US versus them. 401 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,360 And that's just an horrific situation because it forces 402 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:05,480 people to choose sides when in fact we should be choosing human 403 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,760 life. Can I ask how old you guys are? 404 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,600 I'm 1819. Despite all of the fear that 405 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,760 there is in in speaking out, in the pressure. 406 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,040 You guys still showed up today, so that says something about how 407 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,880 much this means to you. And in part of my belief system 408 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,600 is that if you see something wrong and you don't stand up and 409 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,360 fight, you're worse than the oppressors. 410 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,000 Silence is violence. There's people. 411 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,200 There's two types of people in the world. 412 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,720 There's somebody sees something wrong and they go with the flow. 413 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,480 They're scared of getting attacked or or judged or 414 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,520 anything. They're the oppressors as well. 415 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,440 But if you stand up for what's right and we believe that, God 416 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,080 will reward us at the end of the day for standing up. 417 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,280 For what's right in our hearts. Anything else you guys want to 418 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,840 say? Free Palestine. 419 00:24:48,120 --> 00:25:09,240 Palestine. Palestine. 420 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:11,560 Palestine. Palestine. 421 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,200 Palestine. Arabia. 422 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,880 Palestine, Arabia we just want to have justice. 423 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,760 We have no problem but we feel hurt when we see the children is 424 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,360 be killed by we have no idea what's going on in the world and 425 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:32,080 the problem has been heard. My mom she come she cannot work 426 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,640 2 minutes, but today she worked for 30 minutes. 427 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,320 And I'm so proud about her and I'm so happy about her. 428 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,240 And she crying all the way from from the top to the to the to 429 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,040 the to to down. There, we will not stop. 430 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,600 We will keep working. And I'm proud to have my mom 431 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,240 with me to be. Palestine, Arabia, Palestine, 432 00:25:54,400 --> 00:26:02,120 Arabia, Palestine, Netanyahu funded Hamas. 433 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,560 And then he quotes whoever wants to thwart the establishment of a 434 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,560 Palestinian state needs to support the strengthening and 435 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,880 financing of Hamas, said by Netanyahu in 2019. 436 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,760 My son says settler colonies don't watch war against 437 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,600 indigenous peoples. They launch annihilation because 438 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,320 in all instances of occupation, specifically in the instance of 439 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,120 Israel occupying the lands of Palestine and Gaza to Jinan, 440 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:28,480 from the river to the sea, they are trying to annihilate the 441 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,200 land. They are not looking for a two 442 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,680 state solution, They are looking for a one state solution that 443 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,960 puts Israel at the forefront and demolishes the indigenous 444 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,120 peoples. So we are here today to make 445 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:45,160 sure that we save those people. I'm holding a sign with a 446 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,880 watermelon inside a blue cage, and it symbolizes the 447 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,880 Palestinian people in the siege in Gaza, the open air prison, 448 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,400 and what brings you here today supporting humanity. 449 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:04,720 And Palestinian people having the freedom here to show off for 450 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,680 posting. I think the crowd is important. 451 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,440 And also I've found protests as being like the one reprieve 452 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,200 amidst all of this. Just being able to March 453 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,320 alongside people, chant and shout and makes you feel like 454 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,440 you can do something instead of just watching. 455 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,040 It doesn't feel like the utmost of like I'm actually doing 456 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,840 something, but at least I can be alongside people. 457 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,640 And it has also just felt therapeutic internally. 458 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,680 Again, to just be able to shout and. 459 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,080 How have the last few weeks been feeling? 460 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,240 Just I guess, following the news, talking to friends about 461 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,200 what's happening? How has that been going? 462 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,480 Put into words how that's been feeling, dude, It's like little 463 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,880 deaths every day internally reflecting what is happening in 464 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,320 the world. Yeah, just like grieving and 465 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,800 mourning constantly. But how do you put that into 466 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,400 words? I I'm not able to, really. 467 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,440 So it it feels like an internal death every time I see any news. 468 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,120 And so again. So being alongside people who 469 00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:00,000 are feeling the same way has felt really important. 470 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,480 A lot of the media coverage about this, it seems to have 471 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,600 just started on October 7th. They treat it like history 472 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,120 started on that day. So how challenging has it been 473 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,640 to follow the news since then? As an Arab, the dehumanization 474 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,240 feels very disappointing and very hurtful. 475 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,280 And I've I was too young during 2001 and 2003, but I've heard 476 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,560 that. It's that same level of like 477 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,960 Islamophobia and dehumanization of Arabs and Muslims and 478 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,760 Palestinians specifically. But I can't say I'm surprised 479 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,160 journalists have a responsibility to accurately 480 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,160 question and critique superpowers. 481 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,080 And I am not surprised that the US media has failed to do that, 482 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,240 because it has always failed to do that, not even fact checking 483 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,720 their own guests who come on and lie. 484 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,200 Specifically, like Israeli officials, and we've heard the 485 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,440 most outrageous things being said and it's just not being 486 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,960 fact checked or corrected or anything. 487 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,200 You said you're too young to remember. 488 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,960 You know, O1O2O3I. Unfortunately, I'm I'm not too 489 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,640 young to remember that. There was no social media back 490 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,880 then. There was no YouTube, there was 491 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,640 no Instagram, There was no TikTok. 492 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,680 So it's like the mainstream media is just doing such an 493 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,160 awful job. But then you have to remember 494 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,760 that. Most people don't watch them 495 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,640 anymore or they don't have that much credibility. 496 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,960 So it's like, do any of your friends watch cable news or the 497 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,000 nightly news at 6:30? Or no. 498 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,600 But I I have family who does like my parents do. 499 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,480 My mom, who consumes all her media through cable news, 500 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,960 corporate news, was completely paralyzed out of terror and 501 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,200 heartbreak at the way that they were covering it. 502 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,760 And it's been like. For her really affirming for me 503 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,800 to give her news that she's not seeing on that television, to 504 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,480 show that there is a different narrative and that there is 505 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,600 pushback, you have world leaders who do care and who are like 506 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,200 speaking out for Palestine, people in the streets getting 507 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,680 arrested. I don't know if CNN reported on 508 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,920 the Jewish Voices for Peace protest last night, but like 509 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,640 everyone with an Instagram saw the videos. 510 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,840 And I think that's where people are getting almost their news. 511 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,480 And I think that's a good thing because it brings the news back 512 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,760 into the people in Palestine's hands, you know what I mean? 513 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,760 Like we're hearing directly from them on the ground. 514 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,360 The last few weeks have been so hard on on everyone, but all of 515 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,280 a sudden, you know, there are thousands of people here for the 516 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,520 last several hours. How does that feel to you? 517 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,000 It feels really amazing to see more and more people like out in 518 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,680 the streets than like previous protests and to see more and 519 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,520 more people being radicalized and gaining consciousness and 520 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,680 putting that consciousness and that education into action. 521 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,480 I think we're just getting started. 522 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,560 People are just starting to tune in like I think it's about to 523 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,120 grow exponentially and as the more that this administration 524 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,920 and the media lies to an educated public, the more they 525 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,080 make an out of themselves, the more that they lose credibility 526 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,840 and. We're shifting the time, you 527 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,920 know what I mean? It's going to happen. 528 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:37,720 Another guy. No more money for a reservation. 529 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,600 Not another time. No more money for Israel's. 530 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,160 Time What brings you here today? I mean doing the right thing, 531 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,320 like standing. Standing with people who deserve 532 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,200 to be still with. Standing with people who are not 533 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,880 being heard at all the way we supposed to, for each other. 534 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,080 Is this your crew here? Did you come with this group 535 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:57,600 here today? Yes. 536 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,920 My girlfriend. Some solidarity just just being 537 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:01,680 with your partner. That's. 538 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,840 Right. Really, the only thing that I I 539 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:09,800 would want to say is the sooner we realize that our struggles 540 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,920 are interconnected, whether it be the black struggle or, you 541 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,680 know what I'm saying, like the immigration struggle, the sooner 542 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,120 we realize that all of those things are interconnected and 543 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,240 that all of our oppressors are the same people with the same 544 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,600 agenda. People with white supremacy on 545 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,040 the mind and imperialism on the mind, the sooner we realize that 546 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,080 all of our oppressors are the same exact people, the sooner 547 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,760 we'll get free. Have you been active in protests 548 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,240 before today, before this? Yeah, definitely. 549 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:46,400 I mean, the moment that I think radicalized me was Mike Brown. 550 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,200 I was a teenager at that time. The interesting thing about. 551 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,320 Mike Brown and Ferguson was. It was at that time that 552 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,360 protesters in Palestine and protesters in Ferguson would 553 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,840 start communicating, commiserating, trading notes 554 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,720 about what it's like being tear gassed, about what it's like 555 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,200 being under oppression, about what it's like dealing with law 556 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,720 enforcement or or or military occupation. 557 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,960 So that seemed to be a big moment in black Palestinian. 558 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,080 Solidarity and and relation. So it's interesting that it's 559 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,880 still manifesting itself now. I mean, yeah, it has gone back 560 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,520 for a long time also, You know what I mean? 561 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,640 Like the Black Panther Party, they were in solidarity with 562 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,720 with the Palestinian people, Angela Davis in solidarity with 563 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,000 the Palestinian people. So many of our leaders stood 564 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,520 with Palestinian people. And I think if my community 565 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,160 looks deeply into that and looks deeply into Palestinian 566 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,400 struggle. Like we already said, like we'll 567 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,320 find a lot of commonalities and a lot to talk about and a lot to 568 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,320 figure out together. A lot of people in DC are 569 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,880 talking about, well, Joe Biden just lost a lot of support from 570 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:08,040 progressive Democrats, from young people, from people of 571 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,159 color. Have you voted for Democrats 572 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,600 before and are you still open to voting for, say, Biden in in 573 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,000 2024? I've only voted for Democrats. 574 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,000 I will not vote for Joe Biden no matter what he says, no matter 575 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,199 what he does. And this will sound crazy, but I 576 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:28,520 would turn this country over to Republicans before I vote for 577 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,679 Joe Biden. The thing about it is one of 578 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,760 them is a wolf. One of them is a wolf in sheep's 579 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:41,239 clothing and. I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope 580 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,880 that people can see it and we can find new options. 581 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,960 Because this, like he Joe Biden will never get my vote again. 582 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,360 And any politician, any president that doesn't stand 583 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,160 with Palestine, will also never get my vote. 584 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,400 I think I might be ready for a world where we do start getting 585 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,240 back on politicians backs at every wrong turn. 586 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:05,880 I think I'm kind of sick of people thinking, oh, we have a 587 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,040 Democratic president in office. I can trust that he's doing the 588 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,320 right thing. Like these past few weeks have 589 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,520 shown us our presidents are not really going to protect us. 590 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,520 Our presidents are our oppressors. 591 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:22,240 Biden is not listening to US. 66% of voters want a ceasefire 592 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:26,360 and he is not calling for a ceasefire and like I think 84% 593 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,520 of. Democrats want a ceasefire as 594 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,800 well. Like, he's not listening to 595 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,440 those people. He's not listening to the 596 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,800 majority of people. He is just enacting his own 597 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,160 agenda and every president will keep enacting their own agenda. 598 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,800 And I think we have to realize that we need to reform the 599 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,840 system completely to actually get any support from leadership. 600 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,680 And I think until then, like, we just have to fight on the ground 601 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,640 and do it ourselves. Can I ask you just one question 602 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,960 because you mentioned that Biden would never get your vote again. 603 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,880 Was there a moment that? That switch happened for you 604 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,880 that you remember. You might not, but is there? 605 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,240 What was? What was it? 606 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,880 I do remember it was the beheaded baby. 607 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,400 I saw the photos of the beheaded babies and as we know Israel has 608 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,040 provided 0 evidence for those beheaded babies. 609 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,360 He has continued to get on his podium and lie to us. 610 00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:20,880 And like I said, he lies about things that we can see for our 611 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,920 self and like that we can Fact Check our self. 612 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,400 And I just can't trust somebody like that. 613 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,200 Uh, yeah. Is that the same for for you 614 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,320 guys too? Same moment? 615 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,160 Absolutely. Yeah. 616 00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:49,640 Thank you. Anything else you want to say 617 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,040 before we wrap up? Anyone else want to talk? 618 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,160 I'm from Lebanon, from Beirut. This is my second year in the 619 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,040 US. My grandfather was from 620 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,480 Palestine and so I was never able to go back, neither was my 621 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,000 father. And so now it feels like really 622 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,040 amazing and historical to be able to do that and speak on 623 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,000 behalf of my parents and their parents. 624 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,800 How long have you been in the US? 625 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,120 Two years? Two years? 626 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,760 OK, so how being in a new country and and having all this 627 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,760 happen and having the media? Onslaught. 628 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,000 How does it feel to be an an American in America at a time 629 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,800 like this? It's really, you know, 630 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,880 dissociating. It's pretty crazy for something 631 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,280 as simple as the word Israel to be normalized in the sentence 632 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,000 here and then not being able to say anything about it. 633 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,360 And that was that's how it felt in my previous workplace, where 634 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,400 people casually mentioned celebrities that were supporting 635 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,840 Israel. My Co founder was proudly 636 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,040 Israeli and would. You know, mention it in the 637 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,800 workspace, asking me where I'm born and then letting me know 638 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,360 that he's Israeli and kind of like expecting an answer or some 639 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,160 kind of response from my end. So I feel like that's something 640 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,280 that was always that was never normalized for me. 641 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,680 So it's really, it was really terrifying to be in a space 642 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,040 where like you have no way to. I don't know, you have. 643 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,120 Yeah. Do you feel that you're able to 644 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,600 let them know, hey, I'm, I'm Lebanese, I'm Palestinian. 645 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,480 Are you able to equally? Tell your story. 646 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,360 Or are you been made to feel that you need to repress your 647 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,240 background or or or your heritage? 648 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,000 Definitely was made to feel repressed by. 649 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,600 I couldn't say anything about it, Especially at work, it was 650 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,920 always that fear that it would cause. 651 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,480 I don't know. I would fear for my job, for the 652 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,360 my security in the country. People wouldn't, wouldn't 653 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,840 understand, would directly classify me with something that 654 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,560 they don't understand as well. So I was definitely silenced. 655 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,320 A lot of times I would meet people who would. 656 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,800 Let me know that they were from Israel and then often times 657 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,240 would then ask me if we could be friends. 658 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:52,600 And it was really crazy. Because for me, it's like they 659 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,720 don't see that there's already a huge power dynamic and them 660 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,680 asking me if I'm comfortable being friends with them or 661 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,360 having a conversation with them. It just says so much about their 662 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,160 comfort in the situation versus how disturbing it can be for 663 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,120 anyone like me. I'm Palestinian and Syrian 664 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,800 myself and Muslim myself, so now we're even. 665 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:18,480 Ordinarily, we're already on the defensive about our background. 666 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,520 We have to let them know that we're the good guys, we're the 667 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,880 safe ones. You know, we're not the 668 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,040 terrorists or whatever. And now, after October 7th, you 669 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,680 have to doubly be on defense and let people know that no, I'm 670 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,160 I'm, I'm, I'm one of the good ones. 671 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,920 There's a there's a lot of that. But at at the same time, I feel 672 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,240 like I'm slowly with the support of people I'm slowly, I'm slowly 673 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,680 letting go of. That needs to justify anything 674 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,160 if they're going to. I feel like even if I justify as 675 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,400 much as I will and show them history and prove at the end of 676 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,920 the day I feel like we're always going to be portrayed as 677 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,280 barbaric or terrorists in their eyes. 678 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,000 So there's no point in like wasting my energy and proving my 679 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,200 innocence to them, you know, at the end of the day, I'm going to 680 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:02,320 continue to fight and resist. I don't think the battle is in 681 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,320 justifying our stance at this point, or our innocence. 682 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,480 Because, you know. We're just weakening our forces 683 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,080 that way and said we're going to keep fighting and if they choose 684 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,840 to open their eyes, that's when the change will happen, you 685 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,560 know. Last question. 686 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,720 This was a huge turn out today and it was very, very diverse. 687 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:23,960 I thought it was. I saw all the Palestinian groups 688 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,480 organizing it. I thought it would be 689 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,000 predominantly Arab, but it was extremely diverse. 690 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,240 What did it feel like to be in a crowd like this today? 691 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,320 I feel like it feels like I'm less afraid to walk out with a 692 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,480 Kafiya, you know, something as simple as that. 693 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,360 It is definitely nice to see people from all walks of life 694 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,760 and different backgrounds come in solidarity with Palestine, 695 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,120 something that we probably previously would not have seen. 696 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,480 It just creates A safer environment for us to exist 697 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:50,920 peacefully, slowly changing the status quo. 698 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:52,720 Thank you so much. Thank you. 699 00:40:52,960 --> 00:41:01,360 Appreciate it. Wow, there's a lot of food for 700 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,040 thought there is there. Thank you Angie and and Basil 701 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,160 and all of you who agreed to speak to me and here on my 702 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,280 podcast. Please share this with others. 703 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,040 Let these voices be heard. You will not hear them on most 704 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,120 of the mainstream media. They're not pundits. 705 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,880 They're not war pundits. They're not ex generals giving 706 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,240 you the way of the land there. 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Thank you for listening to these 759 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,120 two episodes, Part one and Part 2, War No more. 760 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,520 We're going to stay on this. I'm going to stay on it. 761 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,040 I'm going to be very active in doing whatever I can do with you 762 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:42,920 and with millions of others to bring peace here and to stop any 763 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,920 kind of slaughter. My condolences to all who 764 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,120 suffered in Israel and in Palestine, and especially this 765 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,680 last week. The slaughter, the rubble, the 766 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:59,640 bombs, the Rockets. The unbelievable carnage in Gaza 767 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:05,000 perpetrated by Netanyahu and his military wing. 768 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,600 Wow. And the fighting release the 769 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,320 hostages. Let's all learn to live with 770 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,320 each other and let's free the people that have been living in 771 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,520 an open air prison for the last 16 years. 772 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,040 Come on. Enough, really. 773 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,880 You know, doesn't anybody ever stop to think how we're going to 774 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,480 pay for this someday? What are we doing? 775 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,320 Trying to create a whole new generation of people that reach 776 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,720 a point where they feel like all they can do is to kill, do other 777 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:46,560 killings, do other. It's like, I do not want to live 778 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,440 in this world like this. And the fact is I'm not going 779 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,200 anywhere, so. That means I and you and all of 780 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,880 us have to participate. And I think if there's anything 781 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,880 you get out of this, if you've been feeling this great despair 782 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:02,120 over these last three or four weeks, one way to get out of 783 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,320 that despair is to act. Get up off the couch. 784 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,880 Get out of the house and participate. 785 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,840 Join a group, Join a protest. Make your voice heard. 786 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,920 Just get active and be with other people. 787 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,680 Don't do this alone. Don't sit there and think it's 788 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,000 just all hopeless now. It's all, and I'm helpless and I 789 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,920 everything I've done to work for the good of humanity in my life. 790 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,280 And it's like, what's the point? No, no, do not give into that. 791 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,040 Get out there. Be with other humans. 792 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,680 Call a friend or two. Get in the street. 793 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:42,840 Be peaceful, Be nonviolent. Offer your hand of love to a 794 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,960 person who might be surprised that you're offering that hand. 795 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,520 Let them know the world you want to live in. 796 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,760 You'll feel better at the very least. 797 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,440 Honest to God. You will feel better being with 798 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:01,480 others, other like minded people that want to see a better world. 799 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,960 OK, that's going to wrap it up for us here on Rumble with 800 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,720 Michael Moore. I will have more to say in the 801 00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:17,080 coming days, both on this podcast but also my sub stack. 802 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,520 And you can sign up for my sub stack. 803 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,720 It's all free just like the podcast. 804 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,080 If you can support us financially, great. 805 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,120 Thank you all of you who do that many, many things, but you don't 806 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,600 have to do that. There's no pay wall here with my 807 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:36,800 writing or with the podcast, so please participate and read and 808 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,280 share. I greatly appreciate it and I 809 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,040 honor all of you who are out there. 810 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,680 Demonstrating and protesting for peace. 811 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:49,760 Writing your members of Congress and encouraging this president 812 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,920 to call for a ceasefire. Let's straighten this out. 813 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,200 No more killing. This is every night. 814 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,480 Every morning I wake up hundreds of more dead children. 815 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,720 For what? What did they do? 816 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,600 Stop it. Stop it. 817 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,800 The world knows that this is wrong. 818 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,320 The world was appalled at what happened on October 7th. 819 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:21,920 But this doesn't make it right and we know it and they know it. 820 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,920 So don't just sit back as that. One young woman said. 821 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,120 Silence is violence. I'm Michael Moore. 822 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:37,400 Thanks again to Basil Hampton, Angie Vargos for helping make 823 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,440 these last two episodes possible. 824 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,400 And I'll talk to you all very, very soon. 825 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,120 This is Michael Moore and this is Rumble. 826 00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:49,360 Peace out. Now I've been crying lately, 827 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,600 thinking about the world as it is. 828 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,840 Why must we go to? Warm hating. 829 00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,360 Why can't we? Live in bliss 'cause I'm on the. 830 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,480 Air, darkness their eyes of be strained for. 831 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,040 Peace can't hate this country.