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This is Rumble with Michael 
Moore and I am Michael Moore. 

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Welcome everyone. 
So today on Rumble. 

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First of all, I'm going to give 
you some information about a big

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announcement that we're going to
be making this coming Tuesday 

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August 19 and I don't want you 
to miss. 

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In fact, I want you to be the 
first to hear it. 

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So I'm going to let you know how
you can be the first to hear it 

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on that Tuesday morning. 
So stay tuned for that. 

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But today, our guest is going to
be Jordan Chariton from the 

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investigative reporting group 
called status coup and Jordan is

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an investigative journalist. 
And we're going to hear about 

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his latest exclusive report 
about the cover-up of the 

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crimes. 
The crimes, the water crimes in.

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Michigan. 
There is new news on this and I 

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want you all to hear it because 
I can see that the mainstream 

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media is once again that 
covering this. 

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They think everything is now 
hunky-dory President Obama went 

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there. 
He drank the water. 

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We have Democratic 
Administration and the state 

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capitol in Lansing. 
Everything must be just fine, 

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it's not fine. 
And I want you to know about it 

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because I'm afraid not many. 
Others are going to help us in 

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Flint. 
And with this situation and 

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you've always been so good about
this. 

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So thank you for tuning in today
and listening to this interview 

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that's that's coming up. 
I also want to thank all of you 

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for the incredible feedback on 
our two-part conversation with 

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journalist and writer. 
Rebecca Tracer from New York 

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Magazine. 
It's great to have around Rumble

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one of her recent pieces from a 
month or so ago. 

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Was about Andrew Cuomo and how 
he treats, women and men in his 

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office. 
And just a few days after 

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publishing that podcast 
conversation with her Cuomo 

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announced his resignation, just 
to be clear. 

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He said he was not going to step
down the quote was I'm going to 

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step aside, you know, I pay 
attention to the little things 

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like that. 
The English language is an 

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interesting language. 
And step aside is different than

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stepping down. 
And I think a lot of people are 

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concerned that he will give the 
story a time to some to die off 

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and then he is going to run 
again next year because the 

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governor's election is in 2022. 
So we'll see but incredible 

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reporting that she had already 
done on Cuomo. 

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And when I say now only how he 
treated women but also men I'm 

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not implying Is using his sexual
Powers with men, mostly over the

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years and Rebecca reported on 
this basically. 

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He just used a hammer. 
He's a Bully and often stood for

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all the wrong things and I've 
I've never liked the guy and 

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anything I've seen about him. 
I've never had a sense that he 

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was there for the people and 
like Anybody you can point to a 

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good things that he did same-sex
marriage, long before The 

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Supreme Court in the u.s. 
allowed it, but good riddance to

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that, as Rebecca mentioned, 
simply punishing, these bad men 

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is not really going to 
completely solve. 

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What the real problem is here, I
mean it's good, obviously the 

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Cuomo is resigning, if that's 
what he meant by stepping aside 

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and it's it's also good that Les
moonves at sea. 

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Yes, and Matt Lauer at NBC, and 
all the others, you know, got 

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their comeuppance here. 
But why, and how these men 

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accumulate so much power gets 
lost? 

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Never, he really gets discussed.
In fact, how do we even get to 

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the situation where they can do 
this to these women? 

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In other words, how and why are 
so many people forced to cater 

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to them to serve them? 
Them to rely on them for their 

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jobs, their careers, their 
livelihoods, why we are forced 

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to rely on them, to bring us the
news. 

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It's just, the whole thing is 
totally fucked up. 

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So, thank you for everybody who 
wrote to me and spoke to me, 

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when online social media, 
whatever about those two 

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episodes with Rebecca Tracer. 
And I suggest if you haven't 

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listened to them to go back and 
listen to episode 203 and 204. 

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Two or four is the one where we 
got into talking about Harvey 

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and and all this other stuff, 
but thank you. 

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And also, if you haven't yet, 
listen to my conversation with 

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dr. 
Peter hotez about the covid 

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surge, you should check out 
episode 202 as we've seen. 

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Now in recent weeks, covid-19 
cases have increased tenfold 

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since June. 
The Delta variant is 3 times 

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more contagious than the common 
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We are in deep shit here, my 
friends and we've never really 

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left it as I've tried to tell 
people and warn people, since 

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the first month of the walk 
down, back in March of of 2020. 

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When I had on dr. 
Zeke Emanuel, who spent so many 

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years at the National Institute 
of Health and where he said on 

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this podcast, this is going to 
be three to four year pandemic. 

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And I remember when he said that
my Dropped. 

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And I think people listen to it.
Nobody wanted to hear that. 

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Nobody wanted to hear. 
This was going to last three to 

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four years. 
And now, another guest of ours 

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that we've had on the author 
award-winning author, John M 

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Barrie, who we've had on the 
podcast, the author of the great

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influenza about the 1918 
epidemic, pandemic, and he was 

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on C-Span earlier this week 
saying that, that this 

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Coronavirus This we have strains
of it are never going to leave 

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us that because we have failed 
to take advantage of the brief 

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window that we had to get 
everybody vaccinated and to put 

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a halt to this that has not 
happened. 

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Only fifty percent of the u.s. 
population is fully vaccinated 

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so that means that's 160 165 
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That are not vaccinated. 
Some of them can't be up because

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there is no vaccine for children
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Not yet soon but from those 12 
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50 will be safe. 
If the fit the country's, 50% 

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vaccinated 81% of that, 50% are 
people over the age of 65 so 

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it's not enough. 
Schools are reopening. 

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People have been going back to 
the office and now a number of 

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companies have announced, 
they're sending people back 

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home. and the schools have 
announced they're going to still

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try to do school but There are 
these masks mandates that are 

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absolutely necessary and the 
teachers union came out today 

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and agreed that teachers should 
be vaccinated. 

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You can't send your unvaccinated
kids into places, where adults, 

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teachers and School staff, 
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are not vaccinated can have the 
unvaccinated around kids who are

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also not vaccinated It's a 
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So we're in a deep deep pit 
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I know. 
And I know we don't want to 

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think this way and we want to be
optimistic and positive and 

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everything, but I think once you
once you heard that Stevie 

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Nicks, it canceled her tour for 
the rest of the year there 

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yesterday. 
That should be the big clue 

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right there. 
That one after another now, are 

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they're going to close the 
theaters again concerts plays 

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Etc? 
Things, Have been planned 

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because people gotten hopeful, 
but we've talked a lot about 

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opium on this podcast and the 
danger of Hope when it's a false

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hope not based in science, not 
based in reality. 

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So my friends please get 
vaccinated. 

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Get everybody in your family 
vaccinated hold their hand. 

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If they're afraid give them a 
hug after the vaccinated but get

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them vaccinated. 
This is it. 

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I don't know what else to say 
until the government finally 

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mandates. 
It, it makes it the law and 

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that's what's coming, those of 
you who are afraid, that's 

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what's coming. 
So, let's get this done because 

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we don't want to see what the 
second wave is going to bring us

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now. 
With the Delta, the Delta 

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epidemic. 
But on the good news front here,

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as I mentioned at the beginning,
I am going to make a big 

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announcement this coming 
Tuesday, next Tuesday, August 

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17th. 
It's it's good news though. 

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So don't worry. 
It's not, it's not bad news, but

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I have something I want to share
with you about a project and 

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something I've been working on 
and it's going to be everywhere 

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announced on the Next Tuesday, 
but I would like you to learn 

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about it first on Tuesday 
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So if you can, please sign up on
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I'm going to send a letter out 
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So you'll hear about it first 
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about it. 
I want you because we have had 

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Okay, so before Bring Jordan 
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latest news on the flat water 
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caused a deadly Legionnaires 
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Outbreak in Genesee County and 
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Brain damage due to the 
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children Back when these 
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status coup, who also does 
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Coup is an investigative 
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operation that Jordan and his 
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to the bottom of stories that 
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doesn't want to cover. 
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pursued, the truth about what 
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Trying to make sure that the 
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that the media never forgets 
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He's broken. 
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what has happened there with 
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its cover up. 
He's also got a new revelation 

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in The Intercept of this week 
with Jen dies and it's titled. 

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The Flint cover-up wiped phones 
and the battle for evidence in 

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former Michigan. 
Governor Rick Snyder's 

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prosecution is all of, you know 
I have been covering this sense.

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I first heard about it. 
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ago, it's certainly been very 
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level people, I know people have
gotten sick, people whose 

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children have now, this 
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city. 
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and my first film, Roger. 
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story that had been ignored by 
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that was the birthplace of 
General Motors. 

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That was the birthplace of the 
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through the sit-down strike. 
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industrial contract in the 
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Back in the mid 30s, I'll strike
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My uncle was in participated in 
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This is all been very 
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disheartening thinking that this
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with it. 
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very happy and honored to have 
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investigative journalist and 
founder. 

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Co-founder of status, coup, 
Jordan Chariton. 

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Jordan, welcome to rumble. 
Hey, thanks for having me again.

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Why don't just to catch people 
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about the Flint water situation.
For the first time, it's always 

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referred to in the media as the 
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like it. 
It's something that just kind of

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happened or a lot of people 
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Oh yeah. 
I've heard that about Flint. 

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They've got lead in the water. 
Jordan, welcome and and thank 

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you. 
And please give people the 

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basics of the background of, of 
how a purposeful decision was 

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made to take them off, clean 
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dirty water and the governors 
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So you know, as you showed and 
you know really Important 

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documentary, Roger and me, you 
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Envy of America. 
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you know, where the Auto 
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But like many cities in America.
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through, you know, federal 
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So by the time Governor Snyder, 
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2011. 
You know, Flint was basically 

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broke Badly in debt. 
A lot of you know, a lot of 

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people leaving Flint abandoned 
abandoned homes empty lots you 

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know really very Stark departure
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a century before. 
So the governor who was trying 

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to present himself as some kind 
of economic wizard, that could 

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rescue flailing cities like 
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you know, some local officials 
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They were Flint is they had the 
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try and privatize the water 
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They pretend that it was not 
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exactly what it was. 
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essentially, take the power away
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which was the third largest 
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that time and create a brand new
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the Kwa Pipeline. 
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unnecessary. 
It was going along the same 

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exact path as the existing 
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you just mentioned at delivered 
water without issue. 

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Really fresh clean water from 
Lake Huron for 50 years. 

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So, under the guise of saving 
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claimed, that would say, Flint 
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By joining this new water 
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the Its water Pipeline. 
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this brand new unnecessary 
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construction. 
The governor, his administration

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based. 
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that's an important Point. 
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were put in by Governor Snyder, 
to take away democracy, they had

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more power than the elected 
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council. 
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meantime, while this pipeline is
being constructed, will just Put

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Flint on the Flint River which 
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and many others have been 
dumping its waste in there for a

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century and you know, they claim
it was accidental but the state 

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Snyder's Administration failed 
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the water supply when they 
switched that you're supposed to

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put in around the country. 
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our pipes are 50 to 100 years 
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So if you Add the proper 
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lead in those pipes did not 
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water supply very quickly. 
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started complaining of rashes, 
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foul-smelling water, but that 
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governor's office. 
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This was 2014, the year Governor
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There was also You know, 
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angling to run for president in 
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So essentially the Snyder 
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officials. 
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you know, you're imagining this.
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but it's safe to drink the, the 
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issues. 
And this went on for 18 months. 

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Basically, residents, even, 
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City Hall protesting at the 
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claiming nothing to see here as 
children in Flint adults, drank 

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toxic water, that didn't only 
have lead. 

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I mean, the media focused on 
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It had dangerous deadly 
bacteria, in their known as 

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Legionnaires disease, which 
killed an Untold number of Flint

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residents, and other heavy 
metals. 

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And really, you know, the word 
crisis like you said is overused

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because crisis, means an urgent.
Dilemma and Urgent issue, and 

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that this is not been treated as
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years. 
It is urgent. 

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I was just in Flint. 
Again, residents are still 

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getting active rashes. 
Residents are still losing their

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hair today when they shower 
residents are slowly getting 

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sicker and sicker because the 
effects of lead poisoning gets 

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worse over as the years go on. 
And this has basically been 

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whitewashed by the national and 
the local me even The local 

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media in Michigan. 
Yeah, you've posted on your on 

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your site and I think it's, I 
don't know if people can get it 

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on the intercept side but 
people, this is in the last week

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people that you videotaped of 
what the sickness that they're 

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still going through because of 
the water. 

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And, and they're being lied to 
And they want to believe that. 

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It's okay. 
Well, maybe I can't drink it but

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I can maybe now I can shower in 
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it and it's amazing. 
As you as you interview these 

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people in Flint and they show 
right there on their on the on 

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their arms, on their hit in 
there are the effect that the 

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poisoning, you just, I can't 
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saying this, we are seven plus 
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And they are still suffering 
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You know, you come to Flint as 
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but it must have a quite an 
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When you see this, that this is 
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America in the year 2021, in the
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Also on top of all this and and 
people still have this very 

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dangerous problem. 
I feel like I'm in the Twilight 

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Zone. 
I mean I've been there nearly 20

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times in five years and each 
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Back. 
I mean, honestly people that I 

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met five years ago are getting 
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They don't have Medicare for 
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By the way, I speak with, you 
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I could smell the water, it is 
foul anecdotally, I've tasted 

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the water, it's not, right? 
And more importantly, these 

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residents are basically 
screaming into a cave. 

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I mean, the state the Can 
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And now the gut the Democratic 
Administration has fed them 

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numbers and data that I believe 
are manipulated based on our 

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reporting to claim that the 
water is fine. 

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The national media kind of just 
you know lazily reports what 

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they're told by the state we 
should say. 

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It's kind of been you know this 
misleading thing that oh well 

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they're changing most of the 
pipes have been changed. 

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Yeah they've only changed one 
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Isis that need to be changed. 
So not to get too in the weeds 

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but they're only changing the 
service lines. 

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Those are the water pipes that 
go from the curb of your home 

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into the home, they haven't 
touched people's interior home 

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plumbing. 
It's not like the acid water 

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skipped over people's pipes 
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And if you live in Flint, the 
main pipes, in this underneath, 

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the street, they're bursting all
over flint. 

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And they've been bursting for 
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They never change those, and 
they told the residents, oh no, 

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it Affect those pipes, like it 
just skips over two out of three

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pipes. 
So until they replace all of the

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pipes were talking inside the 
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The main pipes underneath the 
street, there's also the problem

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of the water system in Flint was
developed for. 

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You know, when Flint had 200,000
people living there, it now has 

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less than 100,000. 
So there's a lot of steps you 

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know periods with the water is 
stagnant because it's not moving

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with all the abandoned homes. 
And things like that. 

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So this is still very much a 
disaster. 

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This is still, people are 
actively actively drinking 

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water, that in my view cannot 
100% definitively, be said to be

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safe, particularly children. 
There is they never even tested 

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for the full spectrum of 
contaminants. 

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The only tested for letting 
copper. 

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So it's still a disaster and 
it's basically been whitewashed 

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and buried under the last 56 
years of, you know, Trump 

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reality show, you know, Russia. 
Now, you know, obviously the 

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pandemic needs to be covered but
it's just amazing to me, you 

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know. 
I'm just a guy who cares and I 

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go there but it's really amazing
to me that I've been there 18 

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times and you can't even get the
local paper in Flint to 

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investigator cover this anymore.
I'm sorry your video that you 

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posted. 
You see Jordan and really is Jen

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holding the camera there. 
Yeah. 

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The you you Went to the Flint 
Journal, which those from Flint.

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First of all, thank you for 
doing that. 

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You just go right up to their 
door and you want to just all 

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you want to do in this video is 
hand them, your investigative 

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research and and what others 
have done to show what the 

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situation, really truly is. 
And could they just publish 

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that? 
And and of course you get 

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nowhere. 
The funny thing to, you probably

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know this that the There's that 
sign on that building and Flame 

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but it's kind of a fake front 
like a storefront like a false 

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front to make it look like the 
store is open so they have the 

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fun Journal little sign out 
there on the on the building. 

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And and there are some people in
there but the Flint Journal it, 

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it's not in Flint anymore. 
It's the most of the reporters 

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and the in the whole operation 
is in Bay City which is 60 70 

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miles to the north of Flint part
of what. 

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But I think new house is still 
owns is still part of the new 

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house, newspaper chain and and 
there's like people in Flint 

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think that there's still like a 
real Flint operation there. 

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The paper. 
I mean the last time I checked 

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his down being published three 
times a week, is that right? 

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It's twice a week. 
Yeah, it's tight. 

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Now it's down to twice. 
Wink out. 

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There you go. 
So, line online, 24/7. 

453
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:38,600
You, of course, but it's there, 
and it claims to To be there and

454
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,600
telling the stories of what's 
happening, the people in Flint. 

455
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,900
But, but it's just it's just not
the truth that. 

456
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,900
And then you go to the Detroit, 
Free Press to ask them and on 

457
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:55,800
the front of their building. 
It says, the it says Detroit 

458
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,200
Free. 
Press on one side of the door 

459
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,000
and on the other side, it says, 
Detroit news. 

460
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,400
So these are the two dailies in 
Detroit, Detroit. 

461
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,000
One of the few cities that still
has to Dailies and you know, of 

462
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,100
course, they're supposed to be 
competitive, you know, they're 

463
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:09,600
not I'm supposed to, but they've
had an opportunity operating 

464
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,200
agreement for a long time now, 
so they heard it, they try to. 

465
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,700
They look like, it looks like 
there's two papers in Detroit, 

466
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:21,100
but there's really there's 
really one entity that's putting

467
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:25,600
out both of these papers and you
don't even at the Detroit, Free 

468
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,400
Press door. 
What you get when you get from 

469
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,400
the person, there is that all 
the buildings closed. 

470
00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:36,200
They just like it sits, so 
mind-boggling and of course, 

471
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,900
this is, this is With another 
whole episode of Rumble of 

472
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:42,400
what's happening to M to our 
local media and and how it's 

473
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:48,100
been shut down bought out 
destroyed so that these stories 

474
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:51,400
that need to be covered locally,
don't get covered but thank you 

475
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,800
for doing that and thank you for
taking all this research and 

476
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,800
offering it to them for free in 
the hopes that they would really

477
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,400
dig in and do something. 
Why don't you think that the 

478
00:31:02,408 --> 00:31:06,600
Michigan media and especially 
the new democratic 

479
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:12,600
Administration in Lansing in the
state capitol in 2018, Democrats

480
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,700
won the four, top offices 
Governor, lieutenant governor 

481
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:21,300
Attorney General Secretary of 
State you know and I think 

482
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:24,600
people had a lot of Hope but one
of the first things they did was

483
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,200
to dismiss any work to end. 
Any sort of Investigation by the

484
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,700
state into what was going on, 
what they promised they were 

485
00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:35,300
just ending the Snyder 
administration's investigation 

486
00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:39,400
and that they were going to do. 
Do their own and then in January

487
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,300
that these indictments these 
misdemeanor indictments whatever

488
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:46,400
took place. 
What's your take on this? 

489
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:52,200
Why aren't the Democrats? 
Why aren't they more aggressive?

490
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,700
Why isn't Snyder in jail? 
Why isn't he having the then 

491
00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:00,500
bail himself out of jail until 
there's a trial? 

492
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,100
What's really, really behind 
this? 

493
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:07,200
Because it makes a lot of people
listening to, this makes no 

494
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,700
sense. 
Snyder's gone Democrats in 

495
00:32:09,708 --> 00:32:15,300
charge, let's do this. 
And then not only our people 

496
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:20,300
safe in Flint with the water 
still, but the people 

497
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:25,000
responsible for this, there's no
real Justice here taking place. 

498
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:29,900
Why? 
Why there's multiple reasons and

499
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,400
they're going to probably piss 
you off. 

500
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,200
So on one end a lot of people 
don't know this, but Governor 

501
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,600
Snyder. 
And his political machine, we're

502
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,300
not supportive of Republican 
candidate, for governor Bill 

503
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:47,500
schuette, who was the Attorney 
General presiding over the 

504
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:50,300
investigation Into the Water 
Crisis. 

505
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:55,200
So Snyder, you know, not 
publicly not publicly but his 

506
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,400
political Machine behind the 
scenes through their way towards

507
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,100
Gretchen? 
Whitmer, who's now the governor.

508
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,300
So a lot of Republicans actually
came out for Gretchen Whitmer 

509
00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:10,200
because of Snyder's team doing 
behind the scenes things to try 

510
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,000
and help her former Flint Mayor 
Karen. 

511
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,400
Weaver, has told us that she was
shocked. 

512
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,400
When she, you know, first met 
with the governor, Whitmer and 

513
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,700
subsequent meetings. 
She didn't have to really be 

514
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:26,900
introduced to anyone. 
Because it was all people from 

515
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:29,400
the Snyder Administration 
including people that were 

516
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,700
involved with this water cover 
up. 

517
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,300
So Whitmer kept in a lot of I 
mean health department, 

518
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:38,300
environmental Department, people
that were part of the Snyder 

519
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:41,100
Administration. 
The frankly poisoned Flint. 

520
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:44,700
So that's on one end there seems
to be some political behind the 

521
00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:47,600
scenes. 
Where Snyder in the Republicans 

522
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,400
helped, Whitmer. 
I can't get in the governor's 

523
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,400
mind but she has kept a lot of 
Snyder's Administration intact. 

524
00:33:56,100 --> 00:34:01,800
Then there is the, in my view, 
really scandalous reason, I 

525
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,200
always say follow the money. 
So as we talked about earlier, 

526
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,600
you know, this was really a, 
just a privatization scheme and 

527
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,199
this new water pipeline, the Kwa
pipeline, well, somebody had to 

528
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:18,400
pay for it to be constructed. 
Flint to join the pipeline, 

529
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,300
would have to borrow early, 100 
million dollars to to for their 

530
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:26,300
part of the construction. 
The problem was Was Flint, was 

531
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:30,300
nearly bankrupt. 
And in 2014 Flint had reached 

532
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:33,699
its debt limit so legally. 
It's not allowed to borrow more 

533
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:37,000
money, but the Snyder 
Administration and local 

534
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,699
officials, they kind of plotted 
to create a fake environmental 

535
00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:46,600
emergency and that would be the 
only exception that would allow 

536
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,500
Flint who was almost bankrupt to
borrow more money. 

537
00:34:50,699 --> 00:34:55,300
So they sighted, you know, the 
necessary cleanup of a local 

538
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,800
Lime sludge Lagoon that would 
really only cost, you know, a 

539
00:34:59,808 --> 00:35:04,000
couple thousand bucks. 
They created an emergency order 

540
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,900
for that and within that they 
snuck in the construction of the

541
00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:12,300
Kwa Pipeline and that was Bond 
fraud. 

542
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:17,500
Basically the the bonds for the 
Kwa pipeline were created under 

543
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:22,100
false pretenses and in fact, the
former Attorney, General who 

544
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:24,400
happened to be a republican is 
team. 

545
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:28,200
He had a special prosecutor, 
kind of like a Robert Mueller, 

546
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:32,000
invent independent, prosecutor, 
leading, the prosecution, they 

547
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,500
actually charge to of Governor 
Snyder's. 

548
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:38,400
Emergency managers with 
financial fraud related to that 

549
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:42,000
Bond fraud. 
They charge to other local Flint

550
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,200
City officials with the bond 
fraud. 

551
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,600
Based on that fraudulent 
Financial deal fast. 

552
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,300
Forward Attorney, General de 
nesle. 

553
00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:55,600
A Democrat comes in. 
She drops charges against eight.

554
00:35:55,700 --> 00:35:58,700
State and city officials, 
including the director of the 

555
00:35:58,700 --> 00:36:00,500
health department. 
Who is charged with involuntary 

556
00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:04,900
manslaughter and like you said, 
she basically said, this doesn't

557
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:06,500
mean we're not going to recharge
them. 

558
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:09,100
It just, you know, she cited 
flaws in the previous 

559
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:11,800
prosecution. 
She charges a lot of those 

560
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,800
people back, but mysteriously, 
the people that the previous 

561
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,400
administration investigation had
charged. 

562
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,400
With financial fraud, attorney 
general Nestle, when she 

563
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,800
recharge them, there were no 
financial fraud charges and The 

564
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,400
reason based on my reporting's a
lot of sources I have, well, 

565
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,400
there's a basic conflict of 
interest Michael, if, if 

566
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,700
financial fraud Bond fraud that 
led to Flint joining this water 

567
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:41,400
Pipeline and ultimately 
temporarily. 

568
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,000
Using the Flint River, if that 
went forward in court, even a 

569
00:36:45,008 --> 00:36:49,000
pre-trial hearing, you're 
talking Wells, Fargo wrote those

570
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,400
bonds, JP Morgan wrote those 
bonds. 

571
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:55,100
A lot of wealthy investors on 
those bonds for this Active 

572
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:57,800
water pipe. 
And well, they could demand 

573
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,000
their money back. 
In fact, they could sue the 

574
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,400
state and who would be on the 
hook. 

575
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,900
If bondholders flee, the state 
of Michigan, who approved it? 

576
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:09,700
And that could cost them 
hundreds of millions of dollars 

577
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:12,200
in liability. 
I have been told by sources, 

578
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,000
literally inside state 
government, it could bankrupt 

579
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:19,800
the state of Michigan. 
So I do find it suspicious that 

580
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,500
the previous administration 
investigation was charging. 

581
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,500
Real, you know, real crimes, the
chief investigator. 

582
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,200
He was a former FBI agent, Andy 
Arena. 

583
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,300
He said, at the time that he and
the rest of them were fired by 

584
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:34,000
the current attorney general, 
they were six months away from 

585
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,600
additional Financial charges 
that my sources indicate were 

586
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,000
Rico charges. 
That that's what they charge 

587
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,700
Mafia figures with in terms of 
financial fraud. 

588
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:48,900
So essentially if they went full
force charged, Governor Snyder 

589
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,700
with financial crimes, charged 
other people with financial 

590
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:54,700
crimes. 
It could essentially bankrupt 

591
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:58,500
Michigan and I Leave. 
That is why what you're seeing 

592
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:01,800
are essentially throwing the 
book at certain officials. 

593
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,600
But not the governor, the 
Democratic Administration in the

594
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,800
state capitol, are they pursuing
these Financial crimes? 

595
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,700
The bond fraud, the thing that's
really the underlying cause of 

596
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:20,600
all, this was the desire to get 
into a company. 

597
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,800
With these New York Banks who 
are going to get behind this 

598
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,500
privatized water line. 
Fine, you know, take flintoff 

599
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:34,400
the public water line that 
Detroit had built for itself and

600
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:40,000
for communities on the way to 
Flint, and Flint itself. 

601
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,500
Are you saying that that this 
Democratic Administration is not

602
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:49,900
pursuing these larger Financial 
criminal charges so far? 

603
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:53,000
There that all I could tell you 
is attorney general Nestle? 

604
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,600
Who's obviously, you know, 
razor-sharp? 

605
00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:59,400
Intelligent, she did an 
interview with Michigan Radio 

606
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:03,000
right when she got in there in 
2019 and she claimed that she 

607
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,600
had never seen any charges 
related to the Kwa pipeline. 

608
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,000
I don't, I don't want to say 
she's lying but but that was not

609
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,800
true there. 
As I just said there were four 

610
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:16,100
state and city officials charged
with crimes related to the Kwa 

611
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:18,600
pipeline. 
She said she never saw anything 

612
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,900
related to that. 
Like I said, the previous 

613
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,900
investigation had charged for 
people with Which Bond basically

614
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:30,600
Bond fraud related to that and 
when she came in, she dropped 

615
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,300
those charges and never brought 
them back against them. 

616
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:38,300
The top investigator was on the 
record that at the time he was 

617
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:40,700
fired and the rest of the team 
was fired. 

618
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:43,400
They were about six months away 
from additional Financial 

619
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,900
charges and the nine officials 
attorney general Nestle, and her

620
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:51,200
team charged in January, 
including Governor Snyder. 

621
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,100
There were no Financial charges.
So technically, you know, Say 

622
00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:59,800
there's still an open 
investigation but thus far, you 

623
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,700
know, it's honestly, it doesn't 
smell right. 

624
00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:07,500
When one investigation is 
finding financial fraud. 

625
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,300
And the second one either has a 
different opinion or has decided

626
00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:17,000
to, you know, not go after those
crimes. 

627
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:19,300
I also should say and we broke 
this earlier. 

628
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:21,600
This year, the original 
investigation. 

629
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,400
Michael, they were building a 
case against the governor for 

630
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,100
involuntary. 
Slaughter. 

631
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,300
I mean that's about as high as 
you can go. 

632
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:31,800
They were about they had decided
they could charge him with 

633
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,500
misconduct in office that 
neglect of Duty as well as 

634
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,400
building a case. 
They weren't ready to charge him

635
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:41,500
but they were building a case 
sources. 

636
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:45,100
Tell me what they were about 75 
percent there against him for 

637
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:48,100
involuntary manslaughter. 
And the current attorney general

638
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,900
who, you know, basically said 
these people messed up for three

639
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:55,500
years before us, she charged 
with a misdemeanor. 

640
00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:58,800
And the people of flint and the 
people of Michigan and the 

641
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,600
people of America. 
The truth is we have no idea 

642
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,400
what evidence they even 
presented because it was done in

643
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,700
a one-man grand jury, which is a
secretive process where a judge 

644
00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:13,800
serves as the grand jury and you
don't know what evidence the 

645
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,600
attorney general and her team 
presented to him because it's 

646
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,300
secretive and we won't know 
until you know trials you do 

647
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:24,800
understand how distressing it is
to anybody in Flint in the state

648
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,700
of Michigan. 
And I hope anybody who's 

649
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:29,600
listening to this. 
That the hope that the new 

650
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,400
Democratic Administration would 
somehow take up the mantle here 

651
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:39,800
and Forge ahead not just with 
the criminal prosecutions of 

652
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:46,900
Governor Snyder and his team. 
But also to truly truly fix the 

653
00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:49,400
problem. 
So that people are not still 

654
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:54,000
confronted with poison water in 
Flint, these two main pieces of 

655
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:59,600
the story. 
The cover-up and the inability 

656
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,600
of the current Democratic 
Administration in the state 

657
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:08,200
capital for taking this on. 
And the fact that quietly behind

658
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,600
the scenes, whatever, and then, 
maybe not so quietly Snyder. 

659
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:16,000
People were hoping that the new 
governor would get elected. 

660
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:21,200
She then, as soon as she was 
elected, Trump went after her 

661
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:26,100
viciously and the Michigan 
militia types were all You know,

662
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:29,000
threatening her the plot to 
kidnap a all of the. 

663
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,600
So I think most people when 
they, when they hear about 

664
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,100
Governor Whitmer, if they're not
in Michigan, you know, everybody

665
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:40,100
felt instant, empathy, and 
support for her because of what 

666
00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:44,300
Trump and his Trump stirs wanted
to do to her create create 

667
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:48,200
literal harm to her. 
That there's no kind of 

668
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:53,300
bandwidth in people's heads to 
dig into this, or to be critical

669
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:56,700
of it. 
Simply because Was Trump had 

670
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,900
practically declared her Public 
Enemy. 

671
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:01,600
Number One. 
So that makes everybody wanted 

672
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,300
just rally around her and 
support her but your stories 

673
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:13,000
Create a more complicated 
picture and your stories remind 

674
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,300
us. 
Sometimes how little difference 

675
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:18,100
there is. 
You know people put these party 

676
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:22,200
labels on themselves or we put 
them on we put labels on them in

677
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,900
terms of whether they're on the 
right or the left or whatever. 

678
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:29,500
But but the truth is maybe just 
a little more nuanced, sometimes

679
00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:34,000
more complicated and and 
sometimes sadder than what we 

680
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,700
want to believe and just 
listening to you. 

681
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:42,600
Describe this. 
It's just You know, I'm, you 

682
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,500
know, I'm sort of at my Wit's 
End in terms of what what to do,

683
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:48,200
but you've got this new 
reporting now, just to just to 

684
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,200
just to pile on everything else 
that you've reported on in these

685
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,700
20 visits over five years and 
thank you for doing that. 

686
00:43:56,700 --> 00:44:00,000
Thank you very much on behalf of
everybody in Flint. 

687
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,100
It's like, you know what, you 
have done and thanks to the 

688
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:06,800
Metro Times And The Intercept 
for publishing your work. 

689
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,800
But I'm sorry to put this on 
your shoulders. 

690
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:14,000
Feels like we're down to you to 
do the actual work so that we 

691
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,100
can figure out, you know what's 
really going on. 

692
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,400
And so you have this new story 
that's out this this past couple

693
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:26,100
weeks here in end of July and 
your follow-up reporting this 

694
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:31,100
week, just tell us about that. 
We've learned now that the cell 

695
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:36,200
phones phone, records of the 
former Governor Snyder and 

696
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:39,700
people who worked for him have 
been wiped clean. 

697
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,800
Yeah, so just so your audience 
knows if they don't know in 

698
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,000
January of this year myself and 
my reporting partner. 

699
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,900
Jen, we broke that prosecutors 
had obtained. 

700
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:56,400
Governor Snyder's phone calls 
with his chief of staff and 

701
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,600
health director. 
They obtained their phone calls 

702
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,700
from October 2014, which 
obviously a long time ago, very 

703
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:08,200
important because October 2014 6
months after the water was 

704
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,200
switched in, Flint a couple 
Before Governor Snyder's 

705
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,300
re-election and prosecutors 
obtain. 

706
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,500
They spoke on the phone 22 times
over two days and it was 

707
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:23,800
rapid-fire, governor calls, the 
chief of staff, they hang up 

708
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,300
Chief of Staff calls to health 
director and and so on and so on

709
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,100
over two days and at this time 
as they were on the phone with 

710
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:34,100
each other rapid-fire, Snyder's 
health department and 

711
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:36,900
environmental Department we're 
going back and forth about the 

712
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:40,600
waterborne Legionnaires disease 
which ended up Seeing a whole 

713
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,400
lot of people in Flint, it's a 
bacterial disease. 

714
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,300
It kind of mirrors the ammonia 
but it's much worse. 

715
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:50,300
So prosecutors concluded. 
The governor and his chief of 

716
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:51,600
staff. 
And health director were 

717
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,100
basically on the phone, trying 
to stop this from going public, 

718
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,700
a couple weeks before his 
re-election. 

719
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,100
Obviously, if they would have 
made it public, they could have 

720
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:03,700
saved lives at that time. 
So, that was kind of a big 

721
00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:05,400
Smoking Gun that prosecutors 
found. 

722
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:09,900
So after that story, which, by 
the way, I actually handed to an

723
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:12,700
The Detroit Free Press before, 
we published it at The 

724
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:16,600
Intercept, they said and I 
quote, we regret not doing more 

725
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,500
on Flint. 
I said, great, here's your 

726
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:22,700
opportunity and then they passed
three days later but fast 

727
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:27,500
forward after that, it's just 
it's an endless tsunami. 

728
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,300
Once you find, you know, open 
door number one of corruption. 

729
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:36,400
Many other doors open up then we
found that prosecutors when they

730
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,900
got phones from Top officials in
the governor's office. 

731
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,300
Office. 
They were erased. 

732
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,100
Governor Snyder's, press 
secretary. 

733
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:51,000
So one of his top officials when
she left office in November of 

734
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,400
2015, she left her job with 
Snyder. 

735
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,500
Her phone was wiped and this 
happened right before the launch

736
00:46:58,500 --> 00:47:00,200
of the Flint criminal 
investigation. 

737
00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:04,100
Other officials top officials in
the health department. 

738
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,500
When prosecutors got their 
phones mysteriously, they were 

739
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:09,900
no messages on them for all of 
2014. 

740
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,200
In all the way through October 
2015, which was the entire 

741
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,800
period Flint was on the Flint 
River. 

742
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:19,300
So obviously how does a 
prosecutor investigate, who knew

743
00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:21,500
what? 
When, if you don't have access 

744
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:24,100
to what they were saying, what 
they were talking about? 

745
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,500
Environmental officials, their 
phones were allegedly dumped off

746
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:33,500
at in state it, the state it 
Department soon. 

747
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:37,200
After the governor announced or 
finally admitted that Flint's 

748
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,900
water was toxic, he held a press
conference in Flint and October 

749
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:45,200
of 2015, announcing the high 
lead levels and you know that 

750
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,700
Flint would immediately move off
the Flint River and less a week 

751
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,600
and a half. 
Later all of a sudden phones are

752
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,200
dumped off at the IT department,
wiped clean. 

753
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,500
They technically worked but 
there was no messages, no phone 

754
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,500
logs of History, so you got the 
governor's office is health 

755
00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:05,300
health department, the 
environment that department 

756
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,400
either, you know, complete 
Erasure of phones or Partial 

757
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,200
Erasure, with no messages. 
On top of that we found, we got 

758
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,600
access to documents from the 
investigation showing that 

759
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,200
essentially, the governor 
refused to hand over documents 

760
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,800
for three years, he would not 
give prosecutors his daily 

761
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,600
briefings, so he got daily 
briefings, from all his 

762
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,800
Department's, you know, put into
a packet, wouldn't hand them 

763
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,000
over wouldn't hand over 
briefings, he got from the 

764
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,700
environmental Department, he 
would not hand over notes from 

765
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:40,500
conference calls about. 
Flint. 

766
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,600
So again, this is a digital. 
It's a digital crime. 

767
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,600
You know you you will know who 
knew what when who was notified 

768
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:52,500
when through emails phone calls,
text messages, Etc. 

769
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,700
So essentially you have what is 
very clearly a cover-up. 

770
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:03,000
I mean I just put it simply, can
you imagine Michael if President

771
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,100
Trump's press secretary Chief of
Staff, Health officials 

772
00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:13,800
environmental officials if their
phones were erased in January 

773
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,200
2020 or February, 20 20, or 
March 20 20 before coronavirus 

774
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,900
went Global. 
I mean, the media would be 

775
00:49:20,908 --> 00:49:24,600
absolutely a pot apple. 
Apocalyptic rightfully. 

776
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,000
So well, this is basically what 
happened. 

777
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,000
They erase their phones before a
criminal investigation, they 

778
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,000
deleted their messages. 
Schneider himself wouldn't 

779
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,500
cooperate, and there were other 
things of the story including 

780
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:39,600
Snyder's, basically his 
right-hand man. 

781
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:44,200
His top adviser was approaching 
Administration officials before 

782
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,600
their testimonies with 
prosecutors to basically tell 

783
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,500
them what to say, what not to 
say, which is obstruction of 

784
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:53,800
justice. 
So, you know, it's a massive 

785
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,400
government government. 
Cover-up to me, I put it on par 

786
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,400
with Watergate. 
I think this this would 

787
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:02,700
Watergate if the president was 
Involved. 

788
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:06,400
Nobody would have sneezed at it.
But this is a cover-up that 

789
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,700
killed people. 
It's a cover-up with destruction

790
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:13,100
of evidence tampering of 
evidence and, you know, 

791
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,200
unfortunately, even though we 
broke this, it's been swept 

792
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,300
under the rug National media has
ignored it as well as Michigan 

793
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:23,200
media. 
Well, here's somebody who hasn't

794
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,700
ignored it. 
The US Congress, the house 

795
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:32,700
oversight committee, read your 
story and they want No, what the

796
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:35,800
hell is going on. 
And in fact, I believe the chair

797
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:41,500
of the committee congresswoman 
Maloney from New York has been 

798
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:49,800
demanding some answers about 
this because she seems pretty 

799
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,800
mortified having read your 
reporting on this. 

800
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:57,900
What has what could tell us 
about what has the reaction been

801
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,600
in? 
In Congress about this? 

802
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,800
Yes. 
Oh After we broke this, you 

803
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,900
know, obviously we contacted the
oversight committee, chairman 

804
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:11,900
Maloney issued a statement 
really frankly, scathing against

805
00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:14,900
Governor Snyder. 
Saying he obstructed their 

806
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:18,500
investigation there federal 
investigation since day. 

807
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:26,700
One obviously saying, you know, 
any, any, any possibility that 

808
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:30,500
evidence was destroyed or 
tampered with is a very serious 

809
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:34,300
issue and And you know we spoke 
with the committee and they say 

810
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:37,300
they were investigating it. 
There's also the issue you know 

811
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:41,100
separate from the state criminal
investigation you know, Governor

812
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:44,100
Snyder based on our reporting 
perjured himself in front of 

813
00:51:44,107 --> 00:51:47,400
Congress I believe that's still 
a crime in America. 

814
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,500
So as far as we know, they're 
currently investigating, I 

815
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:56,100
believe, you know, part of their
investigation would have to be, 

816
00:51:56,700 --> 00:52:01,000
you know, asking the Attorney 
General of Michigan's office, 

817
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,600
you know. 
Elaboration there to find out 

818
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:09,200
certain things which, you know, 
I find also odd because again, 

819
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,000
the Attorney General's office 
when they charge people in 

820
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,800
January, they did not charge. 
Anyone related to what we found 

821
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:20,000
and this is not our opinion. 
This is from documents we 

822
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,000
obtained from the criminal 
investigation and a lot of 

823
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,400
sources. 
So again it gets back to, you 

824
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,000
know, I just don't know, I don't
know what the attorney general 

825
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,200
or office is doing because, you 
know, if you read the story, 

826
00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:35,400
It's overwhelming. 
I mean, it is overwhelming to 

827
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,500
the point that you know as a 
journalist you usually get 

828
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:41,100
government officials or 
corporations, kind of spinning, 

829
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,000
coming up with you know ways to 
rationalize things. 

830
00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:47,800
It was Silence of the Lambs, 
Michael, the health department. 

831
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,600
When I said, do you have, you 
have an explanation for these 

832
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,500
messages being done? 
They just said, quote and I, we 

833
00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:57,800
don't care to comment and others
would not comment either 

834
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,200
including Governor Snyder's 
team. 

835
00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:03,600
So as far as we know the house, 
Is investigating it. 

836
00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:06,200
We're going to follow up with 
them and make sure they're 

837
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,200
actually doing so rather than 
just saying. 

838
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,700
So, yeah, let me just let me 
just read the quote from 

839
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:18,100
congresswoman Maloney after she 
read your your piece here. 

840
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:22,600
Recently, about the wiping of 
the phones and hiding evidence 

841
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,200
etcetera. 
And again, she's the chair of 

842
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,600
the house oversight Committee in
the United States Congress. 

843
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,300
This is what you said regarding 
your reporting. 

844
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:37,000
Quote, it would be deeply 
troubling if any of the 

845
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,700
officials involved in the 
poisoning of Flint's children, 

846
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:45,400
destroyed evidence of their 
misconduct Governor Snyder. 

847
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:50,200
Obstructed, this committees 
investigation from the outset 

848
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:54,400
and set the tone that his 
decisions were above 

849
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,500
accountability. 
Governor Snyder, made the choice

850
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,800
to put money over the lives of 
children in Flint and he must be

851
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,600
held accountable, man. 
That is a that's a serious 

852
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,600
statement in reaction to your 
reporting. 

853
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:14,900
And yes, it's absolutely 
incumbent upon you and the rest 

854
00:54:14,900 --> 00:54:20,000
of us to make sure that her 
committee and others follow 

855
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,300
through on this. 
What? 

856
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:25,400
So for congratulations, for 
getting the, you can't get the 

857
00:54:25,408 --> 00:54:29,700
attention of the local officials
or the people in Lansing. 

858
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:36,300
But, but you certainly, Have got
the ire of the chair of the 

859
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:38,500
house oversight Committee in the
United States Congress. 

860
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,600
Is there, is there any reason 
that the Attorney General in 

861
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,100
Michigan can't subpoena or 
can't? 

862
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,400
I mean, I mean maybe I don't 
know the technology as well as I

863
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,600
should about when you wipe a 
phone but it seems that 

864
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,500
somewhere that information is 
stored somewhere. 

865
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:03,400
There's a way to get it but it 
would require the attorney 

866
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,800
general or others of that 
stature to take some sort of 

867
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,800
action or or not. 
Not is is it is this evidence 

868
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:18,100
that has now permanently been 
vanished? 

869
00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:21,900
That's a great question. 
One, we ask that they will not 

870
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:25,400
answer every time we reach out 
to them, it's just you know, 

871
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,800
can't comment, there's an 
ongoing criminal proceedings. 

872
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,200
But you know, the Year this is 
the year 2021, there's forensic,

873
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,600
technology to retrieve messages 
and data from phones. 

874
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,600
Absolutely. 
We, you know, honestly, we don't

875
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:40,900
know. 
If they did that. 

876
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:45,400
But what we do know is when the 
attorney general and her team 

877
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,500
came in and cleaned house of the
previous investigation, they 

878
00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:54,000
said, the basic reason they were
doing so is because evidence was

879
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:58,000
not thoroughly obtained or the 
previous investigation. 

880
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,800
Had not gotten all the evidence 
and they claimed there were 

881
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:06,000
millions of documents that were 
not obtained. 

882
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:11,000
Etc, etc. 
So if that's the case, Which I, 

883
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,400
you know, based on sources I 
don't think is entirely true. 

884
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,400
You would think they would have 
gone, the extra mile to get the 

885
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,300
forensic, experts technology, 
you know, subpoena phone 

886
00:56:23,300 --> 00:56:26,300
companies to retrieve anything 
that was erased. 

887
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:30,200
And, you know, you would think 
they'd as this story was coming 

888
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,700
out if that were the case, it 
would behoove them to tell us 

889
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:37,300
that. 
So, you know, obviously it would

890
00:56:37,300 --> 00:56:42,000
be less, not that it would be. 
Is scandalous that they did this

891
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,200
and they tried to cover their 
tracks in a race things. 

892
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,300
But at least people would have 
the benefit to know, you know, 

893
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:49,900
they might have tried to get 
away with it but the Attorney 

894
00:56:49,900 --> 00:56:53,300
General's office has it, but 
that has not that has not 

895
00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:55,800
happened. 
And you know the other thing is 

896
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,400
you know at a certain point you 
really the people of flint and 

897
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,000
frankly, the former mayor of 
flint in an interview we just 

898
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,200
did last week said and I quote 
the Attorney General was not 

899
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,500
truthful with the people of 
flint and she she went a strong 

900
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:13,800
to say as you know, attorney 
general Nestle's helping the 

901
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,700
governor get away with murder. 
So I'd love to be wrong. 

902
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:20,800
I would love to, you know, maybe
they'll have egg on my face and 

903
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,900
they're building a case against 
Snyder for more. 

904
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:27,000
But from what it stands right 
now, it's mind-boggling. 

905
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,000
Even just from, I mean, Michael,
you know, politics, even just 

906
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,500
from a political perspective, 
forget what's right? 

907
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:36,200
Or wrong? 
It would be great politics to 

908
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:40,500
throw the book at Schneider and,
you know, the That's came in and

909
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:43,100
write it this wrong, but it's 
silence. 

910
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,400
I mean silence across the board 
from elected, Michigan, and 

911
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,900
Flint officials from as we spoke
about the media and the Attorney

912
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:52,800
General's office, you know, 
obviously it's a criminal 

913
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,000
investigation. 
I understand. 

914
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,600
There's certain things they 
cannot say, but the people of 

915
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,600
Flint, you know, trusted them 
when they came in to Flint and 

916
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,800
said, we had to restart this 
investigation. 

917
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,500
Citing, everything that went 
wrong, or they claimed went 

918
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:08,200
wrong with the previous 
investigation. 

919
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:12,600
And, you know, Flint residents, 
put, put their belief and faith.

920
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,400
In this, in the Democrats that 
were restarting. 

921
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,700
This thing and, you know, two 
and a half years later, you 

922
00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:21,300
know, there's a misdemeanor 
charge against the governor and 

923
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:24,700
a settlement, you know, civil 
settlement that most residents 

924
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:29,100
I've spoken with feel is way 
way, you know, way way too 

925
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:37,500
little Hans was going to end up.
You know, I don't love making 

926
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:39,800
political predictions but I 
always try to be honest with my 

927
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:44,600
audience, you know, right now it
does not look good there, you 

928
00:58:44,607 --> 00:58:48,400
know, Governor Snyder's got an 
army of lawyers and all the 

929
00:58:48,408 --> 00:58:50,700
money in the world. 
As we know in the criminal 

930
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:53,700
justice system, it's really 
about how much money you have 

931
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:57,400
that, that helps, you know, 
outcomes to get off with crimes 

932
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,500
right now. 
A judge has paused the criminal 

933
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:07,900
proceedings and is hearing 
Motions to dismiss against top 

934
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:12,100
officials and the governor's 
lawyers are trying to get you 

935
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:14,000
know put forward a motion to 
dismiss. 

936
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,800
They are. 
Citing errors that were made by 

937
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,700
attorney general Nestle's teams.
I don't want to get to in the 

938
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:24,200
weeds but, you know, errors that
were allegedly made in terms of 

939
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:30,000
not making sure attorney-client,
privileged documents and 

940
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:35,200
information were released. 
So technically, Ali. 

941
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,300
And I've spoken with lawyers 
that tell me Snyder could get 

942
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:40,900
off on this technicality and 
what we say off. 

943
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:43,900
We're even just talking about 
the the absurdity that it's only

944
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:46,500
a misdemeanor. 
I mean, I just go with my 

945
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:50,300
reporting in facts and the facts
are, there's a lot more against 

946
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:51,800
this Governor than a 
misdemeanor. 

947
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,700
And I think honestly, you know, 
people have asked me, why do you

948
00:59:55,700 --> 00:59:57,400
stay on this? 
Why do you keep going back? 

949
00:59:57,500 --> 01:00:02,000
Because this is not just to me 
about one city, it's about 

950
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,200
America. 
Because if a governor and his 

951
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,000
whole Administration, Raishin 
can get off, and there's no 

952
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,600
accountability with poisoning, a
city leaving them to die. 

953
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,500
Basically, then, you know, what 
makes you think your Governor is

954
01:00:14,500 --> 01:00:16,800
going to think twice or your 
mayor's going to think twice 

955
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,200
whether its water fracking 
mining. 

956
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,600
I mean, the list goes on of what
it could be. 

957
01:00:22,700 --> 01:00:24,800
That makes people sick kills 
people. 

958
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:30,800
I mean, Libby Montana, there was
a disastrous asbestos crisis 

959
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:31,900
that killed. 
A lot of people. 

960
01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:34,800
Go look at West Virginia, I 
mean, the coal. 

961
01:00:34,900 --> 01:00:38,400
Coal, Coal, pollution, call 
disasters that have killed. 

962
01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:41,500
You talking, tens of thousands 
of people down there through 

963
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,900
corporate greed, cutting 
corners. 

964
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:48,000
And if this is allowed to stand 
in Flint, you know, I really 

965
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:52,600
fear for the precedent that's 
that sets up and I'll also just 

966
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,000
say from a human level, you 
know. 

967
01:00:55,300 --> 01:00:58,800
I understand that there's a lot 
of threats in this country you 

968
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:03,200
have right now, you know, to me,
very dangerous people, you know,

969
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:08,700
refusing vaccinations Pushing 
lies about, you know, the vax 

970
01:01:08,700 --> 01:01:12,100
vaccines and coronavirus you 
very dangerous. 

971
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:14,800
People, we talked about the 
white supremacist that you know,

972
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,100
tried to kidnap the governor 
are, you know, making threats 

973
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:23,200
all around this country against 
whether it be black people or 

974
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,900
other vulnerable communities. 
There's a lot of threats but I 

975
01:01:26,900 --> 01:01:29,400
got to tell you something. 
Michael, you know, we can't live

976
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:30,900
without water. 
That's the number one need. 

977
01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:36,600
And if this goes on On without 
true accountability. 

978
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,800
I really, you know, to me, That 
we don't have a country anymore.

979
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,500
We have a multi-trillion Dollar 
corporate conglomerate that will

980
01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:46,700
look the other way as Citizens 
are poisoned. 

981
01:01:47,500 --> 01:01:49,300
Right? 
Right. 

982
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,600
So what do we, what do we do? 
What do the people who are 

983
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,200
listening to us right now? 
What can they do? 

984
01:01:57,700 --> 01:01:59,900
Is there anything they can do 
for the people in Flint? 

985
01:01:59,900 --> 01:02:02,100
Please don't send more bottles 
of water. 

986
01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:07,800
That doesn't fix the problem 
who's advocating for the people 

987
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,500
in Flint right now. 
I've been Audiences for a long 

988
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:15,500
time, you know, I'm not saying 
don't protest outside the 

989
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:19,700
politicians office or protests 
outside of BlackRock and, you 

990
01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:24,000
know, protest everywhere you can
within, you know, within health 

991
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,300
and safety because obviously 
there's still a pandemic. 

992
01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:33,300
But to me, the main reason, this
has been covered up is because 

993
01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:35,600
the media has been complicit in 
the cover-up. 

994
01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:39,500
If you had, I mean, to be clear,
Michael the New York Times. 

995
01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:41,300
They know about this. 
Story, we just broke. 

996
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:44,700
We've gone through Detroit, Free
Press, Flint Journal. 

997
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:48,200
Washington, Post knows the 
Associated, Press knows other, 

998
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,600
local Michigan outlets now, 
because I've sent it to them and

999
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,100
I've gotten responses from a lot
of them. 

1000
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,600
Okay. 
So they are The Gatekeepers, I 

1001
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,000
mean, what's outrageous and 
infuriating to me. 

1002
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,500
Michael is, how do people stand 
up and demand action, 

1003
01:03:01,700 --> 01:03:04,300
particularly people in Flint if 
they have no idea? 

1004
01:03:04,700 --> 01:03:10,200
I just interviewed Ariana Hawk. 
She is a mother, her son. 

1005
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:15,300
I was on the cover of Time. 
Magazine in 2016 with his body. 

1006
01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:19,100
Rash has a young 
African-American boy and I sat 

1007
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:22,500
down with her to interview her 
and she was hearing about this. 

1008
01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:26,400
What we just broke for the first
time for me, because where they 

1009
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,700
going to find it, it's not 
coming from Michigan. 

1010
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:31,500
Media is not reporting it, and 
National media is not reporting 

1011
01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:33,600
it. 
So how can Flint residents, 

1012
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,600
stand up and demand action? 
If they don't know about the New

1013
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,300
Revelations of this cover-up, 
the New Revelations. 

1014
01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:44,600
Of corruption. 
And basically, you know, for 

1015
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:48,400
these wealthy white folks to 
save their hides, they knowingly

1016
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,700
allowed these people to continue
drinking toxic water. 

1017
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:57,000
So to me, what can we do? 
Well, you know, the New York 

1018
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,300
Times has an address. 
The Washington Post has an 

1019
01:03:59,300 --> 01:04:01,100
address, Flint Journal, Detroit,
Free Press. 

1020
01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:04,500
I'm talking civil disobedience, 
nothing more than that, but I 

1021
01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:07,100
think people need to start 
protesting outside their local 

1022
01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:09,000
media. 
These folks should not be 

1023
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,700
comfortable as they. 
This is not simply you know, oh,

1024
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,600
you say tomato. 
I say tomato. 

1025
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,900
And you think there's a major 
story here and we don't I mean 

1026
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:23,500
the hell Congress, just reacted 
and they're investigating. 

1027
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:27,700
That's a major news story that 
they Media is ignoring Flint, 

1028
01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:29,700
media is ignoring National 
media, is ignoring. 

1029
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:32,700
So I tell people, obviously, 
everyone's situation is 

1030
01:04:32,700 --> 01:04:34,900
different, not everyone can get 
out there and protest. 

1031
01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:38,300
Particularly Flint residents who
are mentally and physically 

1032
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,400
exhausted from all of this for 
seven and a half years. 

1033
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:46,100
But I say shame, the media 
Force, the media, to cover this 

1034
01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:48,600
forced the media to Jen, and I 
would love it. 

1035
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,400
If we weren't the only ones, the
New York Times has a lot more 

1036
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,500
resources than we do, and they 
could be digging much further, 

1037
01:04:54,800 --> 01:05:00,300
and finding even One more share 
you know if necessary get 

1038
01:05:00,300 --> 01:05:03,000
outside the Attorney General's 
office again to be clear. 

1039
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,800
We're not we're just talking 
about Civil Disobedience and 

1040
01:05:05,808 --> 01:05:10,000
protest but if people just 
nonviolent, yeah non-violence. 

1041
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,100
But at the end of the day, the 
media are The Gatekeepers that 

1042
01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:19,800
are that have declared this over
that have basically Hoodwinked. 

1043
01:05:19,900 --> 01:05:23,200
Well-meaning people all around 
the country into thinking this 

1044
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,600
is over I get responses all the 
time. 

1045
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:28,000
I'm what are you talking about? 
I thought this was fixed. 

1046
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,300
So, to me, that's the biggest 
thing of what people could do, 

1047
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:36,400
stand up and demand 
accountability outside the media

1048
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,100
outside, the Attorney General's 
office. 

1049
01:05:38,500 --> 01:05:41,300
And, you know, don't let up. 
Because again, it's not just 

1050
01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:42,700
about Flint. 
It's about all of us. 

1051
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,400
I think that's a very important 
thing to do and then and if 

1052
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,100
people will post this on social 
media, if you can if you see 

1053
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:56,700
can't make it to Flint or 
Detroit or Lansing, I've noticed

1054
01:05:56,700 --> 01:06:01,300
in the past few days, you have 
received attention and support 

1055
01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:06,300
from Mark Ruffalo from Susan, 
Sarandon from Erin Brockovich, 

1056
01:06:07,700 --> 01:06:13,300
and other members of Congress 
row, Kana Rasheeda Talib has 

1057
01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:16,200
been vocal about this. 
So this This is so. 

1058
01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:24,000
So the more, the better not let 
attention die on this. 

1059
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:28,500
It's I agree with you so much in
terms of if we let them get away

1060
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:32,400
with this, whether it's the 
Republican Governor that 

1061
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:38,100
initiated the poisoning and then
covered it up, Rick Snyder or 

1062
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:42,700
whether it's the current 
Administration that has been 

1063
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:47,000
dragging their feet on this and 
not Really going after the 

1064
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,400
people there. 
It's, you know, how I mean. 

1065
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:56,200
I in my last film, I put in that
scene of President Obama coming 

1066
01:06:56,200 --> 01:07:04,000
to Flint And drinking the water 
publicly at this rally to tell 

1067
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,100
the people of Flint, the water 
was safe and clean. 

1068
01:07:06,700 --> 01:07:09,700
And then, of course, we find out
later that he was, well, you can

1069
01:07:09,700 --> 01:07:12,600
see in the footage, I put up, he
was fake drinking. 

1070
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:17,000
Any didn't actually swallow any 
water smarter than that, but 

1071
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,100
they brought they brought the 
water in from Air Force One. 

1072
01:07:20,900 --> 01:07:23,100
There was no water in that 
school in that. 

1073
01:07:23,100 --> 01:07:26,900
High school is a closed down. 
They close down the whole Water 

1074
01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:30,100
Systems of The kids wouldn't 
drink the water in the school, 

1075
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:35,000
so it was very, very 
disheartening to see, President 

1076
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,100
Obama do that. 
People were shocked. 

1077
01:07:39,500 --> 01:07:41,700
I'm glad you brought up the 
racial part of this, the white, 

1078
01:07:41,700 --> 01:07:45,500
the rich, white people, who are 
making money off the Flint water

1079
01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:47,800
privatizing. 
The water poisoning the people 

1080
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,600
in the process. 
This is a black City. 

1081
01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:56,600
It's it's majority black 
residents. 

1082
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,300
I've said, many times if this 
water situation, this poisoning,

1083
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,000
it happened to Bloomfield Hills 
or Grosse, Pointe or Ann Arbor 

1084
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:10,400
in Michigan or any wealthy 
anyway, Community majority White

1085
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:11,900
Community. 
This just wouldn't have even 

1086
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:17,700
happened at all and and we don't
discuss this enough in terms of 

1087
01:08:17,700 --> 01:08:20,800
the racial implications behind 
all of this. 

1088
01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:27,000
But if you want to poison a 
city, that's these days probably

1089
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:30,899
less than Sixty percent black 
more than 40% white, but the 

1090
01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:33,800
white people there as you, I'm 
going to put your video up here 

1091
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:38,500
on my, my platform page. 
So that people can see, you talk

1092
01:08:38,500 --> 01:08:42,100
to the people of flint and the 
the poor white people, the 

1093
01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:45,700
people who are white who live 
there, there are people who used

1094
01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:50,200
to have, you know, middle class,
jobs and homes out in the 

1095
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:54,200
suburbs have had to move back 
into Flint because they can no 

1096
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:59,100
longer afford the the So-called 
middle class. 

1097
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:05,200
Lifestyle. 
So you see you see a 

1098
01:09:05,300 --> 01:09:09,000
majority-black city with 
thousands of poor way people in 

1099
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:13,000
it and I want people listening 
to this if you could just please

1100
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:18,300
take a couple minutes and watch 
the video here of interviewing 

1101
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,300
people in Flint and then having 
them show you what still 

1102
01:09:22,300 --> 01:09:25,200
happening to their skin. 
They can't show you what's 

1103
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:29,100
happening to their insides and 
they are mentally beaten down 

1104
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:34,800
after seven years of this. 
So I'll just I'll just say also 

1105
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:39,800
in that video and you can find 
it on our YouTube status. 

1106
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:44,899
Cou cou p literally I 
interviewed seven to ten people 

1107
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,399
residents. 
I know that I've interviewed 

1108
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:50,600
over the years just in a circle 
a woman who had to have a trach,

1109
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:56,000
a tracheotomy after drinking 
this water, a woman who has a 

1110
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,200
very rare form of cancer was 
healthy before drinking this 

1111
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,800
water. 
Men, who develop Parkinson's 

1112
01:10:02,500 --> 01:10:08,600
after drink of this water, a 
woman who her children had met 

1113
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,900
extremely high lead levels and 
she was pregnant during this 

1114
01:10:12,900 --> 01:10:15,800
Water Crisis and her child was 
born with high levels. 

1115
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:23,700
Man whose liver is failing and 
it was never a drinker. 

1116
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:30,700
This is just in a circle with 7 
to 10 residents another A woman 

1117
01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:36,100
who has lost 70 pounds and his 
bone thin, and she was showing 

1118
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:37,900
me the rash, is she still 
getting? 

1119
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,700
That's just seven people if I 
went throughout Flint, I've met 

1120
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:45,900
people that have no teeth 
anymore because the water that 

1121
01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:50,000
people who have no hair, the 
list goes on. 

1122
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,500
So for people, I think we 
started by talking about this 

1123
01:10:53,500 --> 01:10:56,900
term crisis, but it's been used 
so much that people don't get. 

1124
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:02,200
It's still an active crisis. 
I mean, it is Active disaster 

1125
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:06,300
with people still getting 
rashes, losing hair teeth, 

1126
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:10,800
falling out residents, tell me 
their eyes burn when they take a

1127
01:11:10,808 --> 01:11:13,700
shower. 
So, if you watch those videos, 

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you know, this is, these are the
victims of the cover-up, were 

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exposing their, their, the 
living victims. 

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And I really hope people when 
they see these videos when they 

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read these stories. 
And thank you so much for 

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elevating. 
It take action because I'm 

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telling you Not that, you know, 
Trump, and, you know, the 

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radicalization of the right and 
covid. 

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They're all important. 
But, you know, we need to walk 

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01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,800
and chew gum at the same time. 
This is still one of the top 

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01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:46,700
stories in the country and it 
needs to be covered and 

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responded to as such. 
Well thank you Jordan for 

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covering it. 
And thanks also to Jen for doing

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this important journalism and 
keep doing it. 

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01:11:59,300 --> 01:12:04,500
I encourage people The to follow
you guys and I will do my part. 

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01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:09,500
I will keep covering it. 
I will keep raising my voice on 

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this. 
And, and again, when I say, 

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don't send bottles of water, I 
just, I mean, I know this makes 

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01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:20,700
people who are on our side of 
the fence and liberals, whatever

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01:12:20,700 --> 01:12:23,500
it feel good. 
And I appreciate everybody in 

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01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:27,300
the beginning, when this was 
revealed sending, literally 

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01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,600
cases and cases, in cases of 
bottled, Of water. 

1149
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:35,900
But those 16 ounce bottles of 
water plastic bottles, forget 

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01:12:35,900 --> 01:12:39,900
about, just the environmental 
issue of that much plastic being

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01:12:39,900 --> 01:12:43,800
used, but the average human in 
the United States of America 

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01:12:44,300 --> 01:12:48,800
uses about 50 to 80 gallons of 
water a day that's for drinking 

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01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:53,500
and showers and baths, and for 
your dog and to cook and the 

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01:12:53,500 --> 01:12:58,100
brush your teeth and everything 
else that we use water for. 

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01:13:00,500 --> 01:13:05,300
So if you just do the math of 
let's say, 50 gallons a day and 

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you got less than a hundred 
thousand people, I'm going to 

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01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,500
sixteen-ounce bottles of water 
are needed every day. 

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Millions, millions the day. 
To provide the water that human 

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beings need in Flint. 
Michigan. 

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There's no way you could send 
anybody can send millions of. 

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That's not the solution. 
The solution is Jordan said, is 

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to replace all the pipes. 
Including the internal piping in

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01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:36,500
everybody's home and the 
appliances, the the washing 

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01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:39,600
machine, the dishwasher, they're
all wrecked. 

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01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:42,500
The appliances that use water in
people's homes. 

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Have been wrecked been 
destroyed. 

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This, this is a This problem is 
nowhere near being fixed. 

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01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:55,800
And I know a lot of people think
that something happened, 

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01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,400
something good happened. 
Well, there are some things 

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01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,100
happening and the other rest of 
its cosmetic. 

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01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:03,700
So that you don't think about 
this. 

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In Jordan. 
I think I'm so happy that you 

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01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,800
point out that nobody should see
this. 

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01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,700
Just as a flint issue and the 
issue isn't that? 

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01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,900
We've got lead in the water 
around the country, we've known 

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01:14:16,900 --> 01:14:20,500
that, for some time. 
The issue is is that those in 

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01:14:20,500 --> 01:14:22,600
charge? 
Think they can get away with 

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01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,800
this. 
That they can cause this kind of

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01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,900
death and destruction. 
And Michigan is proving. 

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01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,500
That maybe just, maybe they will
get away with it. 

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01:14:34,700 --> 01:14:37,500
So, thank you, Jordan, for 
staying on top of this. 

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01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:41,600
Continue to do this work, 
please, I'll do my part. 

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01:14:41,700 --> 01:14:43,300
Everybody else listening to 
this. 

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01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,800
Do your part, make your voices, 
heard get on social media, talk 

1185
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:52,500
about this, share this episode, 
and Jordan and pass this on to 

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01:14:52,500 --> 01:14:56,300
Jen your partner there. 
Many thanks, thank you very much

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01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,700
from those of us who grew up 
there, who are from there who 

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01:14:59,700 --> 01:15:03,800
still live there. 
I'll be damned if I let them get

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away with us. 
Thank you, Michael. 

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It really means a lot that you 
elevate this because obviously, 

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01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,900
you know, this is your hometown 
and you have a big voice. 

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01:15:13,900 --> 01:15:16,300
So I thank you for continuing to
stay on it. 

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01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,200
Well, thank you and please come 
back and be a more humble here 

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01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:24,200
in the future and let us know 
further developments. 

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01:15:24,500 --> 01:15:27,000
Absolutely. 
Well, thank you for listening to

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01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,700
Jordan and myself on this very 
serious issue. 

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01:15:31,900 --> 01:15:33,900
I hope you're not tired of 
listening to it. 

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01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,200
The people of Flint are more 
than tired right now and they 

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deserve our help and support 
and, and we need to speak. 

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01:15:43,500 --> 01:15:47,600
We need to speak up to the 
Democrats and others that we 

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01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:52,100
believe are on our side. 
To do the right thing here and 

1202
01:15:52,100 --> 01:15:57,700
the Governor Rick Snyder needs 
to atone for his crimes. 

1203
01:15:58,500 --> 01:16:02,000
So please do what you can to 
help out. 

1204
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:07,200
And thank you for listening 
today, and get ready for our big

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01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:09,500
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coming Tuesday. 

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01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:14,800
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There's a link there to sign to 

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Ling list because you're going 
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01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:25,700
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01:16:25,700 --> 01:16:28,000
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01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:33,500
We've worked on this for many, 
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And and I think you're really 
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1218
01:16:53,700 --> 01:16:58,100
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1219
01:16:58,100 --> 01:17:02,500
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1220
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:08,700
Thank you very much and we'll 
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And next week's podcast will 

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01:17:12,300 --> 01:17:15,400
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So be. 

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