1 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,120 Welcome everyone. This is Michael Moore and this 2 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,880 is my podcast, Rumble with Michael Moore. 3 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:37,000 Thanks everybody for joining me. We are now in what some people 4 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:42,120 call Easter week. You could call it April Fool's 5 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,880 Week. You could call it. 6 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,640 Well, tomorrow would have been what is it now? 7 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,880 It's 24, so this would have been tomorrow, the 103rd birthday of 8 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:59,640 my mother. Oh my God, so welcome. 9 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:05,239 And what I thought I'd do today is something we we I don't 10 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:06,080 think. We've ever done this. 11 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:12,320 Before in the two plus years, 3 plus years of of the podcast and 12 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:15,440 that is to do kind of a a little bit of greatest hits or a 13 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,320 compilation and because we've been talking so much about Gaza 14 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:23,800 and Palestine and the the the I don't even want to call it a 15 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,240 war. A war takes two sides, right? 16 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:32,760 And of course this did start with Hamas and their horrific 17 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:40,520 slaughter on October 7th and that I think that their side 18 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:46,400 ended that day or the next day maybe And then pretty much 19 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:53,080 everything after that after those people who invaded Israel 20 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:04,040 killed about 1200 Israelis. Then since then what's God? 21 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,280 It's all it's almost been, it's almost been six months wow. 22 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,920 It's just been a non non-stop bombardment, carpet bombing, 23 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,960 bombing, shooting, sniping, killing, massive killing. 24 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,120 You know, there's all kinds of numbers of how many see, they 25 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,160 really know how many are dead because they've blown up. 26 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,400 The Israelis have blown up so many buildings, tall apartment 27 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:35,000 buildings in Gaza, and they've had no time to that to the 28 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,400 Palestinian people have not had time to get their family members 29 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,160 out out from under the rubble. So they've been laying under the 30 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,320 rubble now for six months. So we can't count them yet. 31 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,320 But the the ones that they're sort of able to count, they're 32 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,320 anywhere from 32,000 to 40,000 dead Palestinians, the vast 33 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,280 majority of them women, children and the elderly. 34 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,600 So it's been a, it's been just an awful thing to all of us to 35 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,640 be witness to. We'd like not to think about it 36 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:07,600 because our president, the one that has to stop Trump from 37 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:13,960 winning in November, is the number One Financial backer and 38 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,120 the number one arms dealer for the State of Israel. 39 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,560 So what do we do with that? Well, we're not going to talk 40 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,920 about that today. What I'm what I'm going to do is 41 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,040 I've been covering this issue probably since the 1970s. 42 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:32,080 I had my own newspaper back in Flint, MI called the Flint Voice 43 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:35,840 and it later went statewide and became the Michigan Voice. 44 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,720 And so Michiganders of a certain age will, you know, remember 45 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:46,840 that. But you know, I but I've written 46 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,480 about this. I've written about it. 47 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:56,800 I first went to Palestine and Israel in the, oh, I'd say close 48 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:02,280 to the mid 1980s maybe, yeah, West Bank, Gaza. 49 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:10,880 I went back a few years later. So I'm, I'm somewhat familiar 50 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,200 with the people, the area, what I saw. 51 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,440 I'll talk a little bit about that and some of these. 52 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,240 What I'm going to do is share a podcast that today just 10 53 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,240 minutes here, 10 minutes there, where I've been talking about 54 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,000 this issue long before October 7th. 55 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,040 I'm not going to read what I wrote back in the 70s and 80s. 56 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,440 Maybe someday I'll I'll, I'll do that. 57 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,160 But this is just about my podcast and how I've been very 58 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:44,440 worried about this issue for the well, I guess now 4 plus years. 59 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,920 Yeah, what was I saying? This is for the last couple 60 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,400 years of the podcast. God of course the pandemic 61 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,120 messed up our our whole time clocks didn't. 62 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,640 So I don't really know when I say how many years ago this was 63 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:01,240 but the the clips from today's that we're compiling for today's 64 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:07,120 podcast starts in the in the year 2020 and go through until 65 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,240 last year. So I really want you to give 66 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,840 this a listen, kind of see it gives you a little bit of a 67 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:17,800 build up to where we're at right now and where I've been with it 68 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,200 and what I've been thinking and saying about it, you know, for 69 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:27,360 some time and you know, and I'm just, I don't know about you, 70 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,160 but I I just, I can't. I have to tell you I've I've 71 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:36,240 been so affected by this. And you know it has a lot to do 72 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,200 with a lot of things that I've discussed and I I continue to 73 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,800 write about. Last night I I sent an open 74 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:54,360 letter to Pope Francis, a person that I met Pope Francis back 75 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:59,520 what just maybe a little over five years ago, and had a 76 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,880 conversation with him, and it's very powerful. 77 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,680 And so I wrote about it last night in my note to him in terms 78 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,320 of I'm worried about his health and how long he's going to be 79 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,080 with us. And I we really need him to 80 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:20,040 finish continue finish the incredible good works that he's 81 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,800 done to fix the Catholic Church and make things better for 82 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,320 people around the world. And I give him five ideas of 83 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,400 just in case he's sitting around this Easter week wondering what 84 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,040 his next job should be. I've I've I've given him some 85 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:40,120 ideas so that's my written sub stack that if you are free or 86 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:45,520 paid subscriber you got it from me late late late last night and 87 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:51,440 and then now I'm posting this here on the morning of April 88 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,120 first there is no April Fool's joke that you're going to have 89 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:01,200 to listen to or or wait for it here in the in today's podcast 90 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,120 this is just me giving you some of the things you may have 91 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:11,000 missed in these four years all all spoken and said before 92 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:18,360 October 7th leading up to this incredible slaughter and it 93 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,880 continues and it's uninterrupted and Netanyahu the Prime Minister 94 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,920 of Israel keeps threatening more and more and more and Joe Biden 95 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,520 who has he's really the only one in the whole entire world that 96 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:36,800 has the power to stop this say within the next hour literally 97 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,280 by just turning off the faucet, pulling the plug. 98 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,480 No more bombs, no more guns, no more bullets, no more nothing. 99 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,800 Until you, Mr. Netanyahu, stop the slaughter. 100 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,320 And we're the bank for this, folks, You and me, how much we 101 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,440 give each year collectively. It's a lot of money 102 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,800 individually. And I'll break it down and 103 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,960 you'll hear in one of these clips, not it's really not so 104 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,640 much per person, but it's quite a bit. 105 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,680 When you think of the billions of yours and my tax dollars that 106 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:19,280 have gone to fund this kind of killing, the stealing of land, 107 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:24,720 new settlements that are violation of every form of 108 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,520 international law and in violating what our president has 109 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,640 told them to stop doing. But they're not gonna listen. 110 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,720 They're just gonna cash the checks, baby. 111 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:41,440 So yes, I said baby, not BBBB is cashing the checks. 112 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:44,360 The B. The baby was to you, the man 113 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,320 with the aviator sunglasses. You know who you are and what 114 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,880 you have to do. You must have thought it. 115 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,400 You must have thought about it during mass on Easter. 116 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:02,320 Public opinion is completely against this ethnic cleansing. 117 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:06,440 Every poll shows this. It's not just us in the US, it's 118 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:13,080 all over the world. So sit back and listen to some 119 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:21,040 of our our pieces here from the vault of my podcast and and then 120 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,640 let's think about what we need to do to fix this and what each 121 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,200 of us can do. And I'll talk about that more on 122 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,520 upcoming podcasts. But why don't we get this 123 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,280 started with this is a clip from episode 145. 124 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,440 I think it's back in 2020, my first year of the podcast, when 125 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:46,680 I spoke to the The Great Mark Lamont Hill, a journalist, an 126 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:49,520 outspoken critic of what has been happening to the 127 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:55,960 Palestinian people and and and how he lost his job on TV for 128 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,520 the stand that he's taken. So we'll start with that with my 129 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:08,040 talk with Marc Lamont Hill and and then we'll be back. 130 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,760 I've got, I've picked about four or five pieces here I want you 131 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,720 to listen to. So thank you for that. 132 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,760 Thanks for being part of this And remember we're we're all in 133 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,120 this together. And my special thanks to those 134 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,600 who've been out in the streets who I've taken this protest 135 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,360 everywhere. And my very special thanks to 136 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,960 the Jewish peace group Jewish Voice for Peace. 137 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:43,160 It's an incredible organization sticking their necks out, being 138 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:49,080 brave and fighting for this thing that we're all hoping for, 139 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:54,200 which is peace, a permanent ceasefire and a solution to this 140 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:59,640 awful, awful situation that we cannot let go on now anymore. 141 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:05,480 It's long enough, long enough over 75 years of this, we can 142 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,560 fix this. And there are good people, as 143 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:11,720 Trump would say. There's good people on all 144 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,320 sides. All right, I know, I know. 145 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,200 I promise no April Fool's humor. So I'll leave it at that. 146 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:26,160 And now let's turn it over to me some 4 plus years ago with Marc 147 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,080 Lamont Hill. If you're not familiar with Marc 148 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,720 Lamont Hill, but you you have seen him. 149 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,240 You've seen him on all the cable news. 150 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:43,520 In fact, he had a pay gig at CNM and and at some point I'm gonna 151 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,840 say it was maybe was it a year or two ago, Two years, two years 152 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,160 ago, CNN announced that they were firing him. 153 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,640 It was a. Stunning moment. 154 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:58,480 I couldn't believe it. And Marc Lamont Hill was fired 155 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:03,560 because he had an opinion. He had an opinion and A and A 156 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:09,280 and a belief in the tragedy. Of what was. 157 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,040 And has been happening to the Palestinian people for many, 158 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,000 many years. Mark, why don't you tell just so 159 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,640 I don't botch it? Explain to us why you got the 160 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,560 boot at CNN. Yeah, it I I can. 161 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,120 I can tell you what happened. They and and people can draw 162 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,520 some of their own conclusions simply because I never got an an 163 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:35,960 explicit answer from CNN. But for years I have been an 164 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:40,120 advocate for Palestinian self determination, Palestinian human 165 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,880 rights. I have as a journalist and as an 166 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,480 activist tried to createspace for a a conversation about 167 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,240 justice. And I actually was coming back 168 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,640 from a a, a a delegation that I had that I led to Palestine. 169 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,440 I'd taken a group of of activists and artists to to the 170 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:04,400 West Bank and to to East Jerusalem and also to to Israel, 171 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,120 to see, to see, to see things on the ground. 172 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,880 And I I flew back a little early because I was invited to the 173 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,680 United Nations to speak at the International Day of Solidarity 174 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:21,640 with the Palestinian people. And I sat down and in front of 175 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,960 the UN and I gave a speech calling for justice. 176 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:29,720 I it's ironic because I normally give speeches off the top of the 177 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,800 head but I said I'm going to write this one down so that so 178 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,520 that so that I don't get in any trouble. 179 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,680 And I I I appeal to the Universal Declaration of Human 180 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:41,600 Rights. It was it was the anniversary 181 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,480 not just of of of of what Palestinians referred to as the 182 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,920 Nekba or the great catastrophe that happened in in 1948. 183 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,360 It was the 70th anniversary of the founding of the state of 184 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,200 Israel, but also what Palestinians referred to as the 185 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,000 Nekba. But it was also the anniversary 186 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,560 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. 187 00:13:57,560 --> 00:14:00,200 And so I appealed to the Declaration of Human Rights as a 188 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,560 way of showing how we value human rights as a global 189 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:07,440 community on the one hand, but we deny them to Palestinians on 190 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,600 the other. And at the end of the speech I 191 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,080 said that we must do what justice requires, and justice 192 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,920 requires, a free Palestine from the river to the sea. 193 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:23,880 Of course, when I said that, I was saying I was doing two 194 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,320 things. One I was calling for A1 state 195 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,640 solution. I believe in a singular 196 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,840 democratic, secular state for all inhabitants of historic 197 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,600 Palestine. That means that people who are 198 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,720 currently citizens of Israel, people who are currently 199 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,360 citizens of Israel as as as Arab citizens or Palestinian 200 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,680 citizens, those who are Jews. I I believe in a single 201 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,120 democratic one person, one vote state for everybody. 202 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:50,440 I don't think anyone should leave. 203 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:51,720 I don't think anyone should be harmed. 204 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:57,320 But we need a single democratic state and and and I was also 205 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,880 pointing to the fact that there's injustice not just in 206 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,880 the West Bank or just in in Gaza and not just in the diaspora, 207 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,320 but also even in the state of Israel, where 20% of 208 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,320 Palestinians, or rather where 20% of the citizenry are are 209 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,240 Palestinian. And I want to call point out the 210 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,400 inequalities and say we can get justice in all of these places, 211 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:16,560 we can come together and do this. 212 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,960 The speech was based on facts. It was based on data. 213 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,800 And and so they didn't impeach the speech. 214 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,960 They said the last 6 words from the river to the sea were 215 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,040 intolerable, that they were violent, that they were caught, 216 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,400 that they were the same words used by Hamas. 217 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,840 And therefore I was echoing or maybe even showing solidarity 218 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,240 with. I mean, it was the most extreme 219 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,920 sort of interpretations of what I said, which couldn't be 220 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,200 further from the truth. But this was the kind of 221 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,560 dishonest narrative that was being created by people who want 222 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,360 to keep the status quo. And so the day after the speech, 223 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,320 again I I thought I did good. I got AI, got a standing ovation 224 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:57,800 at the UN. I'm I'm thinking I'm having a 225 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,960 good day. The next morning I get called 226 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:04,560 from CNN and they said that unfortunately we heard your 227 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,080 speech at the UN and we can't have you on air as a contributor 228 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,000 anymore. I said why? 229 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:13,160 They said because your speech is inconsistent with our values. 230 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,640 And I said can you explain what your values are or what 231 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,280 specifically were, you know, where where specifically the 232 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,200 inconsistency is? And they said no, we can't 233 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,560 elaborate any further, just you don't represent our values. 234 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,120 And that was the end of it. And and at that moment, not only 235 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,240 was I dismissed from CNN, but I was nearly fired from Temple 236 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,520 University. I nearly lost my although I'm a 237 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,880 tenured professor with an endowed chair, a full professor, 238 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:37,840 all the things you're supposed to have. 239 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,960 Temple also told me that I was the the the board of trustees 240 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,520 wrote a letter of censure. I'm the first person in the 241 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,120 history of the university to get a letter of condemnation. 242 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,640 And the the chair of of the board of trustees said that it 243 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,120 was that I I I showed my speech was a rant. 244 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:01,040 That was the most disgusting, the the most morally atrocious 245 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,440 thing he'd ever heard. What's funny is this man who 246 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,839 said this about me is Bill Cosby's personal attorney. 247 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:12,760 And so Bill Cosby, by the way, is also a Temple alum and was on 248 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,240 the board. He also was never received a 249 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,400 letter of condemnation from Temple University. 250 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,720 So it just gives you a sense of of of sort of what we prioritize 251 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,040 and why? So if you had only said yeah, 252 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,720 you see the the key is you said the word see that's that's the 253 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,760 trigger word. If you had said a a free 254 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,800 Palestine from the river to the Starbucks in downtown Ramallah. 255 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:37,840 Right, that'd be fine. That would you. 256 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,640 Would be still you'd still be on CNN, right? 257 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:45,560 You know. To to the Walmart just outside 258 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,680 Tel Aviv, that would have been OK. 259 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,840 But the fact that you said from the river to the sea. 260 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,280 But you know, I'm so glad that you actually explained this 261 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,480 because it now people listening to this rarely hear about the 262 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:01,040 one state solution. But my good friend Rashida Talib 263 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,640 and and Ilhan Omar and others have been talking about this for 264 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:10,560 some time, 'cause most people who at least are trying to 265 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,560 support the rights of the Palestinian people. 266 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:18,040 And that includes a lot of Israelis and Jewish Americans 267 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,040 who are sickened by the behavior of the Israeli government and 268 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,200 especially the government of Benjamin Netanyahu. 269 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,800 But the two state solution That's been the that's been the 270 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:34,080 mantra for for decades where there's Israel and then the West 271 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:39,160 Bank and Gaza become Palestine and it's it's A and it's its own 272 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,840 country even though it's it's divided. 273 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,520 I I guess that the agreement would have some sort of of a 274 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,200 freeway some, you know some. Some. 275 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:53,040 Like the four O 5 in between Bethlehem and Gaza City. 276 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,480 But but basically you what you're saying and what others 277 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,800 now believe is the actual the most democratic small D 278 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:08,280 democratic and fairway to think of this is that at this point 279 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,000 let's stop the fighting. Let's just say this is 1 280 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,920 country, it's one democracy. It's one democracy, one person, 281 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,120 one vote. Anybody who is an inhabitant of 282 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:25,240 that and I guess you know the the Israeli law allows Jews 283 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,080 anywhere in the world to come and be a citizen. 284 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:31,280 So I guess to be fair Palestinians who've had to leave 285 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,640 would have the right of return to I'm just making this up. 286 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,880 I don't know if this is the the one state solution but it just 287 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,760 seems to be in my head if that's the way it's gonna be. 288 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,640 OK, then if this is your original homeland you yes. 289 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,280 Welcome back. But everybody, it's one person 290 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:56,280 one vote and and it'll be a democracy and and you'll have a 291 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,000 majority rule with minority rights I would hope, just like 292 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,320 we try to to do here. Do I have that right or do you 293 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,640 can you give a better explanation of the one state 294 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,360 solution? I think I think you've you've 295 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,120 you've hit you've hit the nail on the head right. 296 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:11,960 It's it's the thing it's a single democratic state where 297 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,120 everyone would have equal rights. 298 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:19,160 One of the one of the the argument from those who are anti 299 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,200 this would argue would argue that it fundamentally destroys 300 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,480 the Jewish state. That's that's the pushback 301 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,360 because they're arguing that if you have the the right to 302 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:28,880 return. Right the law of return has 303 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:34,040 existed in Israel since 1950 but it's only for it's only for 304 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,040 returning Jews because it's a Jewish state. 305 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:42,600 And so a a Palestinian who say lived in in Rumley or in Lid or 306 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:47,840 or or in these other places, who were forced to leave in 1948 are 307 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,920 not allowed to return as citizens of Israel right now. 308 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,840 And the right of return, the right of. 309 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,360 So the right of return is, is, is is a very interesting and 310 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:00,600 complicated thing in the context of A2 state solution. 311 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,680 People say, well, yeah, if we have a two state solution, 312 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,160 Palestinians have a right to return, but they can only return 313 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,440 to those new areas that will be that that new designated 314 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,560 Palestinian state. So if I were born in in Jaffa or 315 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,280 Yaffa, right near Tel Aviv, I'm sorry. 316 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,160 If my family were from Yafa and we've got the right to return, 317 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,920 we wouldn't be returning to to to to to Yafa, We'd be returning 318 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,160 to maybe Ramallah. So this, this becomes part of 319 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,520 the challenge because the argument is if you have one 320 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,640 state and Palestinians were were allowed to return and those in 321 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,000 the West Bank and Gaza were considered citizens, then 322 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,320 eventually they would outnumber the Jews and therefore which 323 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:37,520 would control laws, the Jewish state would be dismantled and 324 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,920 they'd be vulnerable again. This is the the argument, I 325 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:45,480 think, that there are ways to imagine A1 state solution as I 326 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,280 have, where where Israel could or this land that we now call 327 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,000 Israel could always be a Jewish homeland. 328 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,920 That is to say, you can write, you can actually have a 329 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,240 constitution rather than what they have now is basic laws. 330 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,080 And you could write into it in such a way that Jews who are 331 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,080 fleeing, who are facing persecution anywhere in the 332 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,280 world could return to this, could have the right to come to 333 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,720 this land that's possible without it being a Jewish or any 334 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,200 other religious state. But the right of return 335 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,920 absolutely says one person, one vote. 336 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,960 It's not, it's no no longer. There's a set of laws that 337 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,800 emerged a couple of years ago, new basic laws, nation state 338 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:26,440 law, which basically prioritized one set of laws, one set of 339 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,920 people over another, one, one language over another, etcetera. 340 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,240 Right. Arabic was no longer a main 341 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,240 language, but it was a priority language, but it wasn't an 342 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,280 official language. These are, these are things that 343 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,600 are creating second class citizenship in the state right 344 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,520 now. There are people who would say, 345 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,120 yeah, Israel is, is, is is a democratic state. 346 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:43,840 If you're a citizen of Israel, you're just fine, right. 347 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,240 The Arabs and and and you know they're in the, the Knesset, 348 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,120 they're in the parliament. They're they're fine. 349 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:50,400 They get treated the same. Ethiopians get treated the same. 350 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,040 But in practice the laws which are facially neutral actually 351 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,280 have a differential impact on people. 352 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,960 So whether it's whether it's the the Nekba law or whether it's 353 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,520 admission admissions committees in neighborhoods, if I want to 354 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,880 move in the live in the Galilee in certain places, right. 355 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,760 There's a Commission that decides whether or not I'm 356 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,440 allowed to move in based on whether or not, whether or not I 357 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,040 fit the social and cultural fabric of the neighborhood. 358 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,440 I mean gonna imagine that in the in the United States in the 359 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,240 1950s or 60s. So there are laws that we have 360 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,720 to sort of dismantle which we could do if we had a simple one 361 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,080 state solution. And finally the argument against 362 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,160 the two state solution because some people say why not just let 363 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,520 me have my Jewish state and why not let him have his Palestinian 364 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,480 state and everybody's fine. The problem. 365 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,080 There are a couple of problems with it for me. 366 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,080 One is a practical 1 because of settlement expansion, because of 367 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,600 the sort of stubbornness of of the last few administrations in 368 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,680 Israel, and because of the the the inability to develop any 369 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:51,080 kind of lasting land for peace deal, the two state solution is 370 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,800 dead. It's it's it's logistically not 371 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,640 possible. Every two state option that has 372 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,880 been offered to Palestinians has been one that is less than 373 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,520 desirable. I mean you can make the case in 374 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,360 the under the Clinton Accords that was the best case scenario 375 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,520 but but but still these questions around land 376 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,200 contiguity, the question on potable water this this this 377 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,200 idea of access all these things are things that we have to 378 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,240 really wrestle with. But at the end of the day, the 379 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,800 two state solution for me is also I don't believe in in in 380 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,880 religious states. I don't believe in in Saudi 381 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,520 Arabia as a Democrat, as a as a religious state. 382 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,520 I don't believe in Iran as a as as a religious state. 383 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,560 I I don't believe in any religious state. 384 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,280 I don't believe in secular democratic states. 385 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,400 And so for me, I don't think that Israel should be placed 386 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,400 below anyone else. It shouldn't have us. 387 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,560 It shouldn't be. Israel should not be held to a 388 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,440 standard that other nations are not. 389 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,240 But Israel also shouldn't be given an exception that other 390 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,000 nations are not. I the. 391 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,880 The idea of any religious state it automatically just by saying 392 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,560 those words. And it it infers that this is 393 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,800 not a democracy because if it favors those who are members of 394 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,320 a certain religion. And imagine what that would be 395 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,400 like in Gilead. Here I mean the United States of 396 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,200 America. If. 397 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,160 One particular religion decided that this this was a Christian 398 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,960 nation and the rest of you are second class citizens. 399 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,600 It's no longer a democracy at that point. 400 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,520 I'm so glad that you talk about this. 401 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,040 Few people are want to talk about it. 402 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,280 They're afraid to talk about it. They see what happened to you, 403 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,320 for instance, at CNN and and then that the really, I'm sorry 404 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,560 that you lost your job. But the big, the big tragedy is 405 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,280 that the word goes out to everybody else. 406 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,320 Don't, don't bring this topic up. 407 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,880 Don't get involved in it. Don't say anything about it. 408 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,800 And I don't know maybe I've been lucky. 409 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,200 I talk about this. I've talked about this forever. 410 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:49,400 I first visited the occupied territories back in the early to 411 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:55,320 mid 80s and could not believe what I saw, what I experienced 412 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,560 and have been trying to get people's. 413 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:05,040 Attention on this since then very very powerful And I I just 414 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,360 why don't we just why don't we. I got something here from let's 415 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:12,320 go back actually that was from no we're going to go forward. 416 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,280 That was episode 145 from Rumble, from my podcast. 417 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:24,240 We're going to go to episode 190, which I aired in 2021, 418 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,560 talking about this issue now that is at the forefront of 419 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:35,240 every day of this world's life right now, what's going on in 420 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:41,760 Israel and in Palestine. In 1985, I received a grant 421 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:48,640 Journalism Grant scholarship, so to speak, that allowed me to go 422 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,440 on a fact finding tour of the Middle East, just to kind of get 423 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,880 a sense of things. And when we got to Israel and 424 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:03,840 the West Bank and Gaza, it was like I couldn't believe what I 425 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:10,120 was saying, honest to God. It was so sad and so frightening 426 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:14,560 and so it it just hit me. It hit me like a ton of bricks 427 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:21,480 that Israel, of all people that would be doing causing this kind 428 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,000 of harm to Palestinians, making them live like this. 429 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:33,680 No rights. No say you know it it the sense 430 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,240 that you're living in a big prison. 431 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,200 Wow. Just kind of it blew my mind. 432 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:45,920 And 2 1/2 years later there was an uprising amongst the 433 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,800 Palestinians kids with stones throwing stones at the soldiers 434 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,840 was called the Intifada, the first Intifada. 435 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:56,720 And within a month of it starting, I went with some 436 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,760 journalist friends over there to cover it. 437 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:06,360 And again, I'm just stunning getting caught in the middle of 438 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:09,880 Israeli soldiers firing rubber bullets whizzing by me. 439 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,320 I can't believe none of them hit me. 440 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,840 But I look back at it now and I'm, I'm thinking, boy, I don't 441 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,160 know if I would take this kind of risk again. 442 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:27,040 That was just, that was crazy. And they were killing these kids 443 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,000 that were throwing stones at them. 444 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,280 And we went to Gaza. I've never been. 445 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,920 I I've been to a lot of places in the world, a lot of very poor 446 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,680 countries. I'd never seen anything like 447 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:48,640 this. 2 million people living on a very narrow strip of land and 448 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:54,560 with nothing and surrounded by the Israeli army. 449 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,040 Wow. I just couldn't get over it. 450 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,440 You know, once you see something, you can't Unsee it. 451 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:07,440 Something like this. I had just, I had also just 452 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,120 begun making my first film, Roger and Me. 453 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,320 I came back home to keep working on that and and finish it and 454 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:24,520 still rattled by what I'd seen and when the film came out and 455 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,720 you know got very favorable reaction from a lot of people in 456 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,360 this country. I got an invitation from the 457 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:39,920 Jerusalem Film Festival to come and show the film and and 458 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,840 because these curfews and from the intifada was still still 459 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,760 essentially going on, I just, I asked the festival. 460 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,320 I said, well, I'm honored. Thank you and I'd love to come. 461 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:56,400 Will Arab people be able to watch my movie? 462 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,040 Explained. Well, you know, we have these 463 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,880 curfews. So no, they like if if it's 464 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,080 going to be the theater in Jerusalem and they live in 465 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,480 Bethlehem. No, they can't. 466 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,600 Bethlehem's like, you know, less than 5 miles outside of 467 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,080 Jerusalem. They they can't. 468 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,520 No. They won't be able to see it. 469 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,880 I said, well then that's a segregated situation. 470 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,880 I can't participate in that. But there's nothing we can do 471 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,480 about it. I mean, this is the government. 472 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,120 The government. We don't agree with this. 473 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,080 But. And I had to make a decision and 474 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,360 and I and I decided and I just said, look, I can't. 475 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,360 This is like an apartheid situation here. 476 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,840 I can't do this. I can't. 477 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,560 You know, they're the they are the majority, certainly in the 478 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,520 West Bank and Gaza, clearly. And yet yet how many screenings 479 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,000 of this film will take place in these occupied territories? 480 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,280 None. OK, well, at least. 481 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,200 Look, if I don't come, you'll you're going to have subtitles 482 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,040 on it, right? Yes, there will be Hebrew and 483 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,360 French subtitles. And I said French. 484 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,480 What? What's that got to do with 485 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,680 anything? The people that live in. 486 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,520 So this is Jerusalem Film Festival. 487 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:15,040 The people that live there are Jewish Israelis and Arab Arab 488 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,800 Israelis or Arab Palestinians who live in the occupied 489 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,760 territories. Why, Why don't you have Hebrew 490 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,960 and Arabic on the screen? Well, it's just the way we do 491 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,920 it. I said, oh man, I can't 492 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,200 participate in this. It's 1989. 493 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,480 All right. So I can't participate in this. 494 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,200 Yes. Show the film. 495 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,680 Fine. But you know, I I can't. 496 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,200 I can't come. They were really bummed out. 497 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,800 I felt bad bumming them out. But I just said I just, you 498 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,520 know, And in fact, by that time I had already sold the film to 499 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,240 Warner Brothers, so I couldn't pull the film because Warners 500 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,720 had already said yes. And anyway, so oh man, it was in 501 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:05,320 all the papers that I wasn't. I refused to come because Arab 502 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:10,520 citizens, Arab residents, Arabs under occupation, could not come 503 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,920 to the theater and watch the movie, and even if they could, 504 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,600 their language would not be the subtitles on the screen. 505 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:23,560 And so 'cause I made a point about this, I was pilloried in 506 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,320 most, not all, of the Israeli oppressed. 507 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,240 They were very, you know, or at least at the time, had a very 508 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,280 strong left wing in Israel and in their press. 509 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,440 And there were some that were very, very supportive of me. 510 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:42,080 But so anyway, so I didn't go the jury, and usually these 511 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,600 festivals have kind of an international jury. 512 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:54,840 The jury picked Roger Me my, my film as the best film of the 513 00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:01,000 festival, give it the top rise. And of course I'm not there to 514 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,400 accept it and I wouldn't, of course I wasn't going to go and 515 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,600 accept it. So that's another whole round of 516 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,800 stories in the press about how I wasn't they, you know, they're 517 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,080 so generous. They gave me the the top prize 518 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,120 and then I wasn't there. But I will, I will not 519 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:21,960 participate in anything like that that has segregation that's 520 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,560 essentially based on racism and an apartheid situation. 521 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,560 And I just, I stuck. I stuck to that. 522 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:36,480 I took a lot of crap for it. But it's OK You know, the next 523 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:41,200 year I'm at the Toronto Film Festival and I see the woman 524 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,160 who's the head of the Jerusalem Film Festival, and she's coming 525 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,760 toward me. And I'm like, I'm getting really 526 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,480 nervous. I'm going, Oh no, I don't want 527 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,800 to have to deal with this. She's going to be so mad. 528 00:33:53,000 --> 00:34:00,320 She came up to me and gave me this huge hug and I'm like, wow, 529 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,280 what's going on? And then and then she sort of, 530 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:09,199 you know, held me there by my shoulders and she said thank 531 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,679 you, thank you for taking that stand. 532 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,560 I know, I know you had to suffer for it. 533 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,199 But you said the right thing. You did the right thing. 534 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:25,960 And as a result, we have made changes this year at the 535 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,280 festival this. First of all, the subtitles on 536 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,600 on the films will not be Hebrew and French. 537 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,120 He'll he'll be Hebrew and Arabic number one. 538 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,639 Number two, we if we find ourselves in a situation that we 539 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:43,040 can't control because of the the army and the police and the and 540 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:48,639 the right wing government, we will find a way so that the Arab 541 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:53,080 citizens and residents and occupied people will be able to 542 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,080 see the films. They will. 543 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,719 They are participants in Jerusalem. 544 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,440 It is a divided city. By that time, Israel was 545 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,080 claiming the whole city was theirs, even though E Jerusalem 546 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,040 was essentially at that time all Arabic. 547 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,400 But of course, they have been kicking the Palestinians out 548 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,720 over many years since then. This is 1989, so we're talking 549 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:17,480 over 30 years ago. And that's what, that's what 550 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,440 triggered this thing that happened here in the last couple 551 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,560 of weeks, 'cause they were kicking people out of their 552 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,600 homes again. They wanted, they wanted the 553 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,040 apartments. They wanted the homes in 554 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:33,320 Jerusalem, which is supposedly down the capital of of Israel. 555 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,800 And if you live in Jerusalem, you're supposed to be a citizen, 556 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,320 but not quite, you're a citizen if you're Palestinian. 557 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:45,040 You have a little different form of identity card. 558 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,360 You're color-coded if you're an Arab in Israel or the West Bank 559 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,200 or Gaza or Jerusalem. Another another whole thing I'm 560 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,160 not going to get into. But it's it's one of these 561 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,480 things you see in an in an apartheid regime. 562 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,760 But she was so grateful that I'd done that and and it helped them 563 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,640 make some of these changes that they needed to make And and I 564 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:16,520 was so grateful that she told me that and it just felt better. 565 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,640 All the heat I had to take, you know, for taking that that stand 566 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,520 back in 1989. But overall, things did not get 567 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:35,600 better in these 32 years since I won the prize at the Jerusalem 568 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,560 Film Festival that I refused to attend. 569 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,400 It has just gotten worse and worse and worse. 570 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,200 So anyways. 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OK, so we're going to continue 594 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,760 on with our look back from different shows where we've 595 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,600 talked about Palestine here on rumble since we first came on 596 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:42,160 the air in December of 2019. What I want to do now is, come 597 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,680 on, let's go back to episode 248. 598 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:51,200 This is from 2022, where I spoke with Julia Baca of Just Vision, 599 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,960 which is an incredible organization. 600 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,400 They do a lot of great work, a lot of great videos, films, 601 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:05,400 they're, they're on the ground telling the truth about, you 602 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,320 know, a whole bunch of things. So the the first part of this 603 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:14,240 will be a just we'll talk to to Julia, and then we're going to 604 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:20,280 get into how the IDF, Israel's defense force, essentially 605 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,960 executed a Palestinian American journalist back in 2022. 606 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,000 Her name was Shereen Abu Akla. They did this in the West Bank 607 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:36,720 and and since then since October 7th, actually now Israel has 608 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:41,320 killed at least would have been confirmed 90 Palestinian 609 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,680 journalists. Well, let's take a listen. 610 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:51,080 This is back from 2022, another story that you may have missed 611 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,920 and I don't want you to miss it on the morning of Wednesday, May 612 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,280 11th while. We were all sleeping here in the 613 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,160 United States of America, Over in the Middle East, halfway 614 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,720 around the world, in the West Bank, in occupied Palestine. 615 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,840 An American journalist who is of Palestinian descent, Shereen Abu 616 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,080 Akla, was brutally murdered by an Israeli sniper. 617 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,320 She was standing in a small crowd of fellow journalists, 618 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,000 away from any conflict, wearing the standard uniform that 619 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,160 journalists wear over there to identify themselves. 620 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,920 A blue flak jacket and a bulletproof helmet clearly 621 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,480 marked press. And in that moment of just 622 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,080 standing there talking to her fellow journalist, an Israeli 623 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,720 soldier shot her in the back of her neck, in that small space 624 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:43,000 between her helmet and the top of her, her flak jacket, a 625 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,240 precision shot. One of her colleagues was also 626 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:52,200 shot in the shoulder during the attack, and heroic citizen tried 627 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,640 to retrieve her body and that person was shot at too. 628 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,920 Two days later, Israeli forces then at her funeral procession, 629 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,640 kicked and beat mourners with batons. 630 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,400 And not just mourners, the pallbearers carrying the casket 631 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,720 and the casket starts to fall. The pallbearers start to fall 632 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,320 and they almost dropped and spilled the casket open and and 633 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,880 a couple of them caught it just in time. 634 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,680 It was there's video of this. You can watch this. 635 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,280 This is just absolutely horrific. 636 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,560 Shereen was an American citizen, a Palestinian American, and when 637 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,440 news spread of this murder, people were outraged everywhere. 638 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,880 Shereen was a prominent and respected journalist all around 639 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,160 the world for 25 years. She told stories about the 640 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,080 occupation, about Israel's treatment of Palestinians, 641 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,880 mostly on Al Jazeera, which, by the way, is a great news 642 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,640 network. She was a beloved figure amongst 643 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,240 the people in the Arab world and especially in Palestine. 644 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,880 In Palestine, I can, I can assure you, she's known in every 645 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,800 household. But this story of a of a 646 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,560 journalist, especially a Palestinian journalist, being 647 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,880 slain by Israeli forces is not unique. 648 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,440 It's not an anomaly. Since the year 2000, according 649 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,120 to the Palestinian Ministry of Information, nearly 50 650 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,320 Palestinian journalists have been killed by Israeli forces. 651 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,160 In just a few weeks after Shireen's execution on June 1st, 652 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,400 Israeli forces shot and killed 31 year old Palestinian 653 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,880 journalist while she was commuting to work. 654 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,880 Her funeral procession was also attacked by Israeli police. 655 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:47,000 Now, because Shireen was an American, many were hopeful that 656 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,520 US outrage would spark an unequivocal demand for an 657 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,440 independent investigation into her death. 658 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,640 And ultimately, we would see some form of justice. 659 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,760 Yeah, just go ahead and cue the applause track, because of 660 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,240 course that's not going to happen. 661 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:04,720 And it didn't happen. the US State Department did condemn her 662 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,200 killing, but they stopped short of calling for an independent 663 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,800 investigation. And of course, their spokesman 664 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,560 there and State Department assured reporters that the 665 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,040 Israelis have the wherewithal and the capabilities to conduct 666 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,160 a thorough and comprehensive investigation. 667 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,520 Israel, for its part, of course, did what it always does deny and 668 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:30,400 deflect, because after all, it was just another dead Arab. 669 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,800 But this was a dead American. And so don't those of you who 670 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,320 are listening to this, who are Americans, Don't we have a 671 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:45,400 responsibility to demand answers when when one of our citizens is 672 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,520 murdered by the Israeli Defense Force? 673 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:55,080 On June 24th, the UN released their findings of its inquiry 674 00:43:55,080 --> 00:44:00,840 and it said that it was Israeli gunfire that killed Shireen Abu 675 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,600 Akala. President Biden has refused to 676 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,360 call for an independent investigation into her killing. 677 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,800 I have to tell you, this story has haunted me ever since I woke 678 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,720 up to the news of it on May 11th. 679 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,080 You know, either I know personally or I am extremely 680 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,040 familiar with following the American and Palestinian, 681 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,440 American and Palestinian journalists in the West Bank and 682 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:36,080 Gaza over the years, and I care very deeply about this subject. 683 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:42,400 I have visited the West Bank and Gaza twice and I have seen first 684 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:47,400 hand how the Palestinians are treated, sort of apartheid 685 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,240 situation that's going on over there. 686 00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:54,080 It's it's sad, it's wrong. And you know, as I've said 687 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,240 before in this podcast, to say that you support Israel but you 688 00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,920 don't support the rights of Palestinians means you don't 689 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:04,720 support Israel, 'cause you can't have one without the other and 690 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,960 you have no credibility or integrity when you say, oh, I I 691 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,760 support Israel, but the hell with the Palestinians. 692 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,360 Well then then you're not to be believed that you be because of 693 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:21,400 if you were to support Israel, well then that means you support 694 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,720 human life period, regardless whose it is and you don't 695 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:30,920 support a so-called democracy that has essentially imprisoned 696 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,760 a group of people simply because because they're Arabs. 697 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,880 I don't know. This whole thing has bothered me 698 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,000 and I've I've, I've mentioned it to friends and and people and 699 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,520 said did you did you hear the story of this American 700 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,600 journalist murdered by the Israelis here back in May? 701 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,840 No. And it was just a couple days 702 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,680 after her, her death that the Buffalo massacre took place. 703 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,640 And of course again, it's all the obviously, and it should. 704 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,440 All the news goes toward the horrific story of the day which 705 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,760 now it seems like there's one every day or every other day. 706 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,800 And this got lost and nobody talked about Shireen. 707 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,320 And I can't believe that if somebody who gave her life, 25 708 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,720 years of covering the oppression of a group of people and then 709 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,400 she's killed and nobody knows about it. 710 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,600 Nobody talks about it. Our own American government 711 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,400 doesn't do Jack about one of its citizens that are killed by the 712 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,120 people that we give billions to every year. 713 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:35,600 It's just it's like, come on. Well, anyways, today I thought 714 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,280 it'd be a good idea to have my friend Julia Baca, fellow 715 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,040 documentary filmmaker on the podcast here to talk about 716 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,600 Shereen and her own experiences of reporting from Jerusalem, the 717 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,120 West Bank and Gaza. Julia is an extraordinary 718 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,640 award-winning film maker. She's the creative director at 719 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,280 Just Vision. Just Vision is a nonprofit that 720 00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:58,160 the most important thing it does is it fills a media gap that 721 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,400 exists on the issue of Israel, Palestine, and they do it 722 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,960 through independent storytelling and engagement. 723 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,440 Can we get around the on the line here and. 724 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,240 OK. Julia, are you, are you there? 725 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,720 Yeah, Yeah. Thank you. 726 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,200 Thank you very much for coming on my podcast. 727 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,800 Of course, it's a pleasure, Mike. 728 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,920 I want to talk about Shireen. So here we have an American 729 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:24,240 citizen, a journalist, who is essentially assassinated by the 730 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:27,360 Israeli Defense Force, and nothing has happened about this. 731 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,600 You've had so many years of experience of dealing with this 732 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,800 horror that exists there in Israel, the West Bank, Gaza, 733 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,120 Palestine, etcetera, and I'm just curious what your thinking 734 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,920 was when you first heard about her being shot and killed there. 735 00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:44,400 I really appreciate, Mike, you bringing Shireen up. 736 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:49,120 It was a huge shock, I think, to anyone who, as you mentioned, 737 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:55,520 has worked in the region to hear that she was killed in the 738 00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:00,600 manner that she was killed. There was a sense of horror that 739 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,040 took over my body at that moment. 740 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,800 If if they can kill Shireen like that, then nobody's safe. 741 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,320 I have been hearing from my colleagues on the ground, you 742 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,080 know my Palestinian producer Rula Salameh, who I've been 743 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:26,360 working with for 15 years now. She has known Shireen since the 744 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,280 beginning of Shireen's career. She gave her her first job at 745 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,280 the Palestinian Broadcasting Corporation in the early 90s. 746 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,680 And. Brulla. 747 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,960 And all of her colleagues are really scared that this is going 748 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:48,560 to silence all of them, because they are now so petrified that 749 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:58,560 an Israeli soldier can aim his or her weapon, shoot on the neck 750 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,640 on Shereen's back, kill her. With. 751 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:08,320 The cameras having been rolling just moments before with several 752 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,680 of Shireen's colleagues, her journalists, as eyewitnesses, 753 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,680 saying clearly what have happened at this point? 754 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:21,960 We've had CNN, New York Times, Associated Press newspapers and 755 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,920 and you know, television channels that are not known for 756 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:32,440 digging deep when it comes to his wrong Palestine, saying that 757 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,840 in all likelihood Shereen was not only killed by an Israeli 758 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,240 soldier, but she was targeted by an Israeli soldier. 759 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,480 And yet the Biden administration, dealing with an 760 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,560 American journalist who was seemingly assassinated, washes 761 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:54,080 the hand and say, oh, we are we, we we trust Israel to conduct an 762 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,480 investigation. Meanwhile, Israel has already 763 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,480 declared that it's not conducting a criminal 764 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:04,760 investigation because there are only two options for what may 765 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,920 have happened. Number one, she was killed by 766 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,120 Palestinian militants. #2 if it happens that she was killed by 767 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,200 an Israeli soldier, it was an accident because the Israeli 768 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,000 soldiers must have been trying to kill Palestinian armed 769 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,920 militants shooting at them. And so for for journalists on 770 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,680 the ground, when they see that happening to Shireen, who is 771 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,040 the, as you mentioned, the most beloved, well known, respected, 772 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,400 has been doing this work for decades now. 773 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,520 For this to happen to her blatantly, and for nothing to 774 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,200 happen, for the world to stay silent, for the American 775 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,920 administration to do nothing is terrifying. 776 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,240 So this is a this is a tragedy not only for the life of 777 00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:50,000 Shereen, but for the life of all journalists on the ground trying 778 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,800 to cover the actions of the Israeli government. 779 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:59,600 She is was an American citizen. Bottom line, what happened a few 780 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,960 years ago with Khashoggi, With the Saudis? 781 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,000 He was a an American resident and worked for the Washington 782 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,920 Post. That sent enough of a chill down 783 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,680 people's spine for a while, at least until that was essentially 784 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,120 forgotten and and brushed aside. I don't want this to be brushed 785 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,360 aside. I don't want this to be 786 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,840 forgotten. I want an answer. 787 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,480 I want to stand up for my fellow American, Shereen Abu Aklav. 788 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,400 I want this to be investigated. I want answers. 789 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:30,360 And I'm not the only one, but they're benefiting from the fact 790 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:36,560 that our attention is so much on the horror that's been coming 791 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,280 out of Washington, DC this last month or two that we're not 792 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,680 going to know about this. We're not going to talk about 793 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:42,720 it. We're going to forget about it. 794 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,920 I mean, you've been, you know, not only a film maker but also 795 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,160 an important organizer on this issue for many, many years. 796 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,640 What is it that people can do and instead of just listening to 797 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,840 you and I talk, get angry and but then ultimately feel 798 00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:01,920 hopeless and helpless? Yeah, I felt for a moment there, 799 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,280 right after Shireen's killing that something would be 800 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:11,680 different this time. And as you mentioned, it's so 801 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,720 hard to keep people's attention on any one particular matter 802 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:20,000 these days, particularly one that that concerns a foreign 803 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,560 country, because our own country requires so much caring right 804 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,680 now. But one thing happened last week 805 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,320 that rekindled my hope, and it was the fact that 24 senators 806 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,200 signed an open letter calling on President Biden to ensure the 807 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:39,880 direct involvement of the United States in the investigation of 808 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,000 the killing of Shereena Bouackle. 809 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:49,600 And even though that seems small in the reality of Washington DC 810 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,800 and and and how it relates to Israel, it's very significant. 811 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,760 AIPAC, which is one of the main lobbies for Israel in 812 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:02,640 Washington, DC, lobbied really hard against this letter. 813 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,360 And you know, from people that have experienced that type of 814 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,480 lobbying, there is, you know, direct threats that opponents 815 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,880 will be supported. AIPAC actually has been known to 816 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,360 now be supporting Republicans who actually participated on 817 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,200 January 6th, meaning they're funding Republicans who 818 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,000 supported the insurrection on January 6th. 819 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,760 And it's very important for the senators, these 24 senators who 820 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,520 signed this letter, to hear from their constituents saying that 821 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,480 they support them there because they are going to get from the 822 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,400 lobby a lot of attacks. And it's really important for 823 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,640 the senators who signed that letter, for the House of 824 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,680 representative members who signed the one on May 19th also 825 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,720 calling for, in this case calling for an FBI investigation 826 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,200 on her killing the US needs to be involved. 827 00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,840 I think that's, you know, sort of galvanizing around the goal. 828 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,200 I think it's important when you're trying to create action 829 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,320 and in two weeks President Biden is going to be visiting Israel. 830 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:16,320 And on the statement by the the, the White House, it says that 831 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,920 President Biden is coming to the region to reinforce the United 832 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,480 States ironclad commitment to Israel's security and 833 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:30,360 prosperity. And you know, there was a lot of 834 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,400 criticism of Trump, the Trump's administration's approach to 835 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:39,560 Israel and Palestine and think there was, you know, maybe a 836 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,640 naive expectation that Biden would bring a little bit more of 837 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:48,080 a human rights lends back to how it looks to the Middle East. 838 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:54,200 But it hasn't and it won't do it unless Americans show that they 839 00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,120 want the administration to do it and that they care enough. 840 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:04,320 And so I would start by, you know, asking your senator, your 841 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:08,440 representative, to join this letters that were sent. 842 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:13,320 I think the more pressure that there is in the run up to this 843 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,440 trip for making it clear that people are waiting to see if 844 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,640 Biden is going to bring this up and how he's going to bring it 845 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,920 up. I think that is one thing that 846 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,960 people can do. He has to do this. 847 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,360 I mean, boy, if our own president can't stand up for a 848 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,560 fellow American who has been killed, a journalist who has 849 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,960 been killed not by accident, it appears to be a direct decision 850 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,280 to point a gun at her and shoot her. 851 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,400 So I know I've, I've, I've seen this first hand. 852 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,960 My first trips to the occupied territories back in the 80s. 853 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:54,600 Israeli soldiers firing at that time, rubber bullets at me and 854 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,920 others who had gathered in the West Bank and and we were there 855 00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,680 as journalists. We were covering what was going 856 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,600 on and they didn't care that we were journalists. 857 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,280 They have a bullet whizzed by Your face like an inch or two 858 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,760 away is a frightening experience to say the least. 859 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,400 And then to see people actually harmed, even with rubber bullets 860 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,800 killed. Well, you don't forget it. 861 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,160 Let me you know, and you know what I'm talking about because 862 00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,680 you've been there and you've risked your life to bring us 863 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,000 these truths. And and to all the other 864 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,280 Palestinians and Israelis who have taken that same risk, I 865 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,680 have such admiration. And I honor all of you who do 866 00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,080 this. And tonight, at least as we are 867 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,000 speaking here on this episode, I do it in the name of of Shireen. 868 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,000 I want to see the killing stopped, and I want to see the 869 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,720 oppression ended. I appreciate you coming on, you 870 00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:48,640 know, talking about this. I appreciate you so much, 871 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,800 Michael. Thank you for for not letting 872 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,440 the story die. I don't know what else to do I. 873 00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,160 Can't. I can't. 874 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,400 You know, look, we all have a conscience and we have to follow 875 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,960 that. And you know, most people are 876 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,360 good at their core and when they see injustice, they don't like 877 00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:11,600 it, they don't like it. And I'm counting on that in the 878 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,760 in both in Shireen's case and all the incredible issues that 879 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:20,200 you continue to cover. So thank you for that and my 880 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,960 appreciation to Shireen's family, her American family, her 881 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,520 Palestinian family. And let's make sure that we all 882 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,400 carry on that work and let's make sure there's justice when 883 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:38,040 it comes to her death. We have one more underwriter for 884 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,200 today's episode. So I want to thank them for 885 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:46,360 backing us here and and then. 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And thank you Moink for 911 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,560 supporting us here on this podcast. 912 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,280 Next up, I've got a brief clip from our live Rumble episode 913 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,600 that we did in March of 2021 where my dear friend, the 914 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:52,280 courageous Representative Rashida Talib representing the 915 00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:56,640 Detroit Dearborn area in the United States Congress, where 916 00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,760 she talks about not the Two state solution, but the one 917 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,600 state solution, something I'd brought up a few years ago with 918 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,840 Marc Lamont Hill. Rashida gets into considering. 919 01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,400 Maybe another alternative to what? 920 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,800 You know, we've mostly been talking about for a a decade or 921 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,280 two here. So let's let's turn it over and 922 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,680 over. This is going to be myself with 923 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:27,280 Congresswoman Rashida Talib. You you've got a vote, Your aide 924 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,280 just told me you've got a vote coming up here shortly. 925 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:34,600 So it. Just if you could have 'cause, I 926 01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,800 said I told. Roger that, I'd ask you your. 927 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,840 Opinion on this and I know it's it's a long thing it's we don't 928 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,720 have the time to get into the whole story of it. 929 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,280 But you know what does need to happen now? 930 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,200 You know Netanyahu still in charge still calling all the 931 01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:52,040 wrong shots to oppress the the people who live there. 932 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,960 What what can we as Americans do? 933 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,040 What can Congress do? It's and and and. 934 01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,120 How do you feel about that issue I raised with him about the two 935 01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,320 state versus the one state solution? 936 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,640 Yeah. So you know, I think it's public 937 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,840 knowledge that I supported one state because I I grew up in one 938 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,040 of the most beautiful, blackest cities in the country, in the 939 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,720 city of Detroit where separate but equal didn't didn't work in 940 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,840 our history here. And I just, I can't imagine how 941 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,480 it work, especially a small country as Israel and Palestine. 942 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,120 So I, you know, one of the things I've been trying to do 943 01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,200 desperately is just put a human face to what it feels like to be 944 01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:32,680 Palestinian under occupation, not having access to water to, 945 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,320 you know, be able to thrive economically. 946 01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,280 The fact that my grandmother, I mean she has a checkpoint 947 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,080 sometimes in front of her house just to leave, it's a farmhouse 948 01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:45,440 with no houses next to it. It's just you know these are 949 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,120 she's. A huge You know your 950 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,640 grandmother. How old is she? 951 01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,080 How old is she? Oh, she's nowadays like we think 952 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:58,120 83, as you know back then you were born in the house and you 953 01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,840 know we don't ever we're, we know that she's around 83 based 954 01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:08,720 on that, yeah, but she is definitely, you know, just 955 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,960 hanging in there. But she's also just, she wants 956 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,200 human dignity. This is her. 957 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,920 This is all she knows is her land in Palestine, the farming, 958 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:22,320 the people. And it's it's so traumatic but 959 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:28,320 also just unbelievably painful to feel less than in your own 960 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,800 country. And they just, you know, many of 961 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,680 the Palestinian family members I have there just want equality 962 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,760 and they want to be seen. And again, I growing up, I think 963 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,400 understanding what continues to happen to my black neighbors and 964 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:45,600 knowing that that kind of oppression, you know, can won't 965 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,240 lead to actual, you know, viability for everyone in the 966 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:50,680 region. Everybody's impacted. 967 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,080 When we deny people access to opportunities, we deny people 968 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,640 equality, everyone hurts. And so I hope Israelis 969 01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,080 understand that when they continue to, you know, enhance 970 01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:05,280 and enable someone like Netanyahu who runs on anti Arab 971 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,280 rhetoric and violence towards Arabs, it's really painful to 972 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,200 kind of see that and enable. Yeah, I mean the racist rhetoric 973 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:17,520 coming out of his administration is it's hard to hear even for me 974 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,000 at all the way here in the United States. 975 01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,280 But just for him to say the things that he says, again, 976 01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,200 making Palestinians as if they're less human and it's 977 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,120 wrong and we shouldn't be funding that kind of, you know, 978 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:30,920 rhetoric or those kinds of systems. 979 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,200 Actually, let's go back now to episode 190. 980 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:40,400 It's also, This was 2021 because I was talking about back then 981 01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:45,240 something that I think still rings true, how it's the younger 982 01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:50,240 generations both here and in Palestine and in Israel. 983 01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,880 That will bring peace to us in the future. 984 01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,560 Sadly, things have not gotten better for the Palestinians. 985 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:05,640 The young people of this country and in Palestine, and young 986 01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:11,600 Israelis and young people around the world have had enough. 987 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,120 They've seen enough. They know the truth. 988 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:20,000 And Bibi, Bibi Netanyahu, you know it ain't going to work 989 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,800 anymore. You overplayed your hand. 990 01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,200 You overstayed. You're welcome. 991 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,600 And now the young people around the world are not going to 992 01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:37,280 support you are not going to tolerate this any longer. 993 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,760 The young people of the United States who have led these 994 01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:48,560 movements from the Women's March to the March for our Lives with 995 01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:55,840 the Parkland High School kids to the last election here and 996 01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,160 getting out the vote and then taking over the streets. 997 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:05,920 Last year after the murder of George Floyd Young people, young 998 01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:12,720 teenagers, adults said enough is enough and the treatment of 999 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:18,600 George Floyd in their eyes correctly and mine and many of 1000 01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:23,360 you are listening to this, the treatment of George Floyd times 1001 01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:28,400 that by 5 million, seven million. 1002 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:40,280 And there you have the situation in Palestine and Israel, or even 1003 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:45,080 an Arab citizen who has full citizenship in Israel, still 1004 01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:50,760 treated differently because he's an Arab. 1005 01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:57,720 She's an Arab. This will not continue. 1006 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,480 No one's listening, baby. We have a right to defend 1007 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,160 ourselves. Yes. 1008 01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,400 Thank you, General Custer. Yes, you do, actually. 1009 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,480 Because you are human and you want to live. 1010 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,920 It's complex. You don't know the history. 1011 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,680 No, but I know what my own I saw last night. 1012 01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,880 I saw them pulling the four year old girl out of the rubble. 1013 01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:30,080 The rubble that you created. I saw how you used the press. 1014 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:35,320 You, you're, you're your PR guy, held a press conference to say 1015 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,400 that that you were sending in the ground troops into Gaza, 1016 01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,920 which scared people in Gaza. And so they went to hide under 1017 01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,280 in their makeshift bomb shelters, these tunnels that 1018 01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,400 they've got. And you somehow 'cause you guys 1019 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,840 are so good at this BB, remember, you're an American. 1020 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,760 You know how to kill. Those were great killers. 1021 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:02,360 And you did it, baby. You use the press, 'cause you 1022 01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,880 wanted Hamas and the Palestinians and everybody to 1023 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,560 hear that you were, you were crossing the border and coming 1024 01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,440 into Gaza with the tanks and the soldiers. 1025 01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:15,120 And so everybody ran to the tunnels to hide, to try to hide 1026 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:19,120 from the troops, that you got the New York Times and all the 1027 01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:24,080 Israeli press and everybody to report that that this invasion 1028 01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,160 had started. Remember reading this everybody 1029 01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,160 a few days ago, before the weekend? 1030 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,040 It was all a lie. They made it up 'cause they knew 1031 01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,760 they would scare the Palestinians into the tunnels. 1032 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:39,440 The tunnels that they were going to send these bombs into, to 1033 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:43,880 asphyxiate and to kill God knows how many people. 1034 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,800 We don't know these numbers yet. We'll know this eventually. 1035 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,720 How many hundreds? Eventually. 1036 01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,040 How many thousands? God forbid. 1037 01:07:55,040 --> 01:08:01,800 Please no that that were killed because you used and you and the 1038 01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:06,600 press is so easily duped because if the Israeli spokesman is 1039 01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:07,880 saying and it's. Got to be. 1040 01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,080 True. It sounds so believable. 1041 01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,240 And the Palestinians believed it, and they went into the 1042 01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:17,800 tunnels and that's where they died. 1043 01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,680 And then, of course, a couple days later, your PR guy, your 1044 01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,160 press person, whoever that is, had to apologize for the little 1045 01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:30,160 ruse that they created so they could smoke them out. 1046 01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:36,399 And then we watched those apartment buildings crumble in 1047 01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:41,880 the exact same way that the Twin Towers crumbled, and it sent a 1048 01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:43,920 chill down my spine to look at that. 1049 01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,240 This is not the way I was raised to believe the things about 1050 01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:52,279 Israel and I've tried to make a separation in my head because I 1051 01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:56,120 know so many very very good Israelis. 1052 01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:02,319 I mean the the Israeli human rights group and I'm probably 1053 01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:09,040 gonna mispronounce the name but it's it's I believe B'tselem is 1054 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:13,760 how it's pronounced. B'tselem the the the which is 1055 01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:18,840 Israeli Israeli human rights organization has called the 1056 01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:23,439 Netanyahu regime an apartheid government. 1057 01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:27,720 This turned Israel into an apartheid country. 1058 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,640 That's the Israelis saying that. And then of course Human Rights 1059 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,560 Watch. The international organization 1060 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:41,600 put out a 200 page report this year outlining every aspect of 1061 01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:47,920 how Israeli apartheid works. It's not South Africa. 1062 01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:53,840 It's it's a it's a it's a 21st century version. 1063 01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:57,920 It's the smart way to do apartheid. 1064 01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,720 And it's a stunning document. You can look it up online. 1065 01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:07,320 So many people want this to end, but let's stop with the false 1066 01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:11,000 equivalency here. And whatever mistakes 1067 01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,400 Palestinians have made, Palestinian leaders have made, 1068 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,680 you know, I'm a pacifist. So no, I I would. 1069 01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,480 I would not be firing rockets. It's just me. 1070 01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:31,480 But I understand why. I understand why the Indians 1071 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:37,360 fired their bows and arrows at General Custer and any of the 1072 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:41,640 cavalry that was coming, 'cause that's what people do when 1073 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:46,040 they're put in that situation. And it's amazing that people in 1074 01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:52,120 Palestine can even think clearly because when you've been under 1075 01:10:52,120 --> 01:11:00,400 this sort of attack since 1948, when you've been put in a a 1076 01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,200 prison, and then the people running the prison call it a 1077 01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:11,520 democracy, wow, You don't know which way is up, is white, black 1078 01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:17,440 and black, white, all of that. It's just man, man. 1079 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,280 No. Yes, everybody. 1080 01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,520 President Biden, what took you so long here? 1081 01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:27,400 And you're not? You still haven't done it. 1082 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,760 Got to pull the plug, Joe. You got to pull the plug on 1083 01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,760 Netanyahu. You got to say we're not sending 1084 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,880 any more money to you. Stop this right now. 1085 01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:45,640 I just announced yesterday a 735,000,000 arms deal. 1086 01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:50,240 We're sending the Israeli 735 million dollars worth of new 1087 01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,760 weapons. Who are we? 1088 01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:59,360 Look, Joe, I know, I know it. It takes a while. 1089 01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,440 It's taken a while. You know. 1090 01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,240 Of course you're not Bernie, but that's OK. 1091 01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,400 You've done some great things here, and now you need to listen 1092 01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,560 to Bernie about this. He's written about it. 1093 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,960 I'm sure he's talked to you about it, You know, and you're 1094 01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:17,400 you're a good Catholic. Back when I visited, the first 1095 01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,840 time I visited Palestine, it was pointed out to me that that 1096 01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:26,040 somewhere between 20 and 30% of Palestinians are Catholics, 1097 01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,920 Catholics or or Christians. Most people aren't aware of 1098 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,760 that. Most people aren't aware that 1099 01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,800 the the Muslim Bible, which is called the Koran. 1100 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,160 Has has a. Whole chapter in there devoted 1101 01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,360 to Mary, the mother of Jesus in the Koran. 1102 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,920 Because they worship her, they honor her. 1103 01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,800 We don't. In the Christian Bible, there's 1104 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,880 no book called Mary, but it's in the Koran. 1105 01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:01,920 We are so ignorant and removed and This is why we get into all 1106 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,720 this trouble and we let our government do things in our name 1107 01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:09,880 and with our money that we never should let it do $26. 1108 01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:15,480 That's that's how much I gave this year as an American and 1109 01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:17,840 every other working American who paid taxes. 1110 01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:23,760 And right now, when you see this suffering, you're causing it. 1111 01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,680 My friends who are Americans who are listening to this, and I'm 1112 01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,400 causing it. I'm paying for it. 1113 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:34,560 I paid $26 for it today, and I get a whole year's worth of 1114 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,240 oppressing the Palestinians for that. 1115 01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:40,560 That is. That's quite the deal, isn't it? 1116 01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:47,320 You most of you know I'm being sarcastic and, right? 1117 01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:56,320 Yeah, it's sickens me. I've been sick here for a week 1118 01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,320 watching this, and there's so many other things we need to 1119 01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,400 talk about and deal with them. We're not going to have time to 1120 01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:08,160 do that today, but I do. I had to not only be very clear 1121 01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,560 about what I think we need to do and what President Biden needs 1122 01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:17,560 to do, and we need to put Bibi Benjamin Netanyahu on notice 1123 01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,080 that his time is up, the days are over. 1124 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,920 The world won't tolerate this anymore. 1125 01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,040 The Palestinian people are not going to stop. 1126 01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:28,560 They're not going to tolerate it anymore. 1127 01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:30,520 So we have to find a different way. 1128 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:33,880 And one of the things we're going to do is we're going to 1129 01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:39,600 take away, we're not going to be the bank anymore for you. 20% of 1130 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:45,200 the Israeli military budget is funded by us, 1/5 of it is just 1131 01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,720 covered by us. That doesn't even count all the 1132 01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:52,160 other things that we send them. Do you realize that 3/5 of all 1133 01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,520 military aid that we give to other countries in the world, 1134 01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,520 3/5 of it goes to 1 country, Israel? 1135 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,920 Come on everybody. This has to end. 1136 01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,760 I went there nearly 40 years ago. 1137 01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:13,360 I've had to live with what I saw and what I experienced. 1138 01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:23,600 I've been writing about this for almost 50 years and I'm done. 1139 01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,800 I'm tired of it. I'm sick of it. 1140 01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,360 And we need to make our voices heard because we are the funders 1141 01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,040 of this oppression. We are the funders of this 1142 01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:37,400 slaughter. We are the funders of this theft 1143 01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,320 of kicking people out of their apartments, of bulldozing their 1144 01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:48,360 homes. We, you and me, something to 1145 01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,920 think about on tax day. And you could say, well, hey, 1146 01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:56,400 Mike, I mean, I only gave $26 to all this madness. 1147 01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:00,920 I mean, you know, how much, how much real harm did I cause with 1148 01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,240 my 20-6 dollars? Well, quite a bit, my friend, 1149 01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:12,560 $26 from 155,000,000 of us went to this collectively over $4 1150 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:17,160 billion. No, not another dime. 1151 01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,200 Let's call it what the Israeli human rights organization called 1152 01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:28,080 this Apartheid. This is an evil regime run by 1153 01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:32,120 Benjamin Netanyahu. No more. 1154 01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,960 And we're not gonna believe the lies anymore. 1155 01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,560 None of the propaganda, all the stuff we're told. 1156 01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,280 Oh, well, we had to blow up the building that The Associated 1157 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,760 Press was in because Hamas was using them as cover, 'cause they 1158 01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,560 were there were there were militants in the building. 1159 01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:51,200 Oh, come on. First of all, if you're 1160 01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,920 Palestinian, you're that it's redundant to call you a 1161 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,440 militant. You're you're a people that have 1162 01:16:56,440 --> 01:17:01,120 had your land and your homes stolen from you and and you and 1163 01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:05,320 you're been part of a great erasure over the last 50-60 1164 01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,920 years. So no, yes, of course there are 1165 01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:12,200 militants everywhere. There's militants in my 1166 01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:16,280 apartment building. You know, don't don't use that 1167 01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,440 as an excuse BB to to bomb the building here. 1168 01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:22,360 But I'm just saying don't believe any of this stuff. 1169 01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,480 You're being told this week in the press that the especially 1170 01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:28,080 the American media has been so hoodwinked by this stuff for now 1171 01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,360 for so long. All this, you know, they're 1172 01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,560 firing there. They're firing these rockets 1173 01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:36,280 into Israel from that building and so so let's. 1174 01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:40,680 So let's kill 40 people in the building, you know, but but were 1175 01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:42,800 they were rockets being fired from there? 1176 01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,480 I don't believe any of it. In the same way I don't believe 1177 01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:49,040 the Minneapolis police press spokesperson on the night of 1178 01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,600 George Floyd's murder. You know what I'm talking about? 1179 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,600 That press release they sent out saying how he had a medical 1180 01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:00,320 condition and died, that's remember that they're liars. 1181 01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,200 They're all professional liars. It's not just in Israel, it's 1182 01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,400 this country, it's around the world. 1183 01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:10,360 And if they're police and if they're military, you know, 1184 01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,800 again, we need to go back to the old adage of everything that 1185 01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,440 they're telling you is a lie. Nothing they say should be 1186 01:18:16,440 --> 01:18:19,520 believed unless it's proven that they are telling the truth. 1187 01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,960 But that you have to 1st accept, you have to begin with accepting 1188 01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,800 that what you're being told is not the truth. 1189 01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:28,160 Make them prove to you it is the truth. 1190 01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,120 They're going to have a very hard time doing that. 1191 01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:35,080 So don't fall for any of the stuff that you're hearing this 1192 01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,960 week. As I'm recording this now, 10 1193 01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:42,480 Israelis have died and I think close to 300 Palestinians. 1194 01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,840 It's it's there's a false equivalency there. 1195 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:47,320 And let me tell you something though. 1196 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,280 Every single one of those 10 Israeli lives matter deeply. 1197 01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:59,440 It's not a numbers game, but to hear the Israeli government and 1198 01:18:59,480 --> 01:19:03,680 Netanyahu talk about like it's some even Steven thing, are you 1199 01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:09,160 kidding me? One is a nuclear power, and the 1200 01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:13,720 other side is bows and arrows, and there's a reason they're 1201 01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:18,400 firing those arrows. It's complicated, Mike. 1202 01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:26,440 Yeah, it's complicated. Only in the sense that we have 1203 01:19:26,440 --> 01:19:33,400 to figure out how we are going to stop funding this insanity. 1204 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:38,840 President Biden, or anybody who's working for him that is 1205 01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,560 listening to me. You do not have our support. 1206 01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:49,200 And we speak for millions and millions of Americans, The same 1207 01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:55,560 millions actually, who would give their lives to make sure 1208 01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,520 that there were never will be another Holocaust again. 1209 01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:02,200 Who will stand for anybody who's Jewish and who's being attacked 1210 01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:05,920 because they're Jewish and who's suffering any form of bigotry? 1211 01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:11,200 We're the same people. And the reason our position has 1212 01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:15,840 integrity is that what we would do to defend the Jewish people 1213 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:21,560 on this planet if we don't do that for the Palestinians, for 1214 01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,760 others. Especially those who are being 1215 01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:31,040 harmed by the formerly oppressed people, then we have no 1216 01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:38,080 integrity. So if you support Israel, then 1217 01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:44,400 you will support the end of this slaughter and the end of them 1218 01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,240 living in a prison called Palestine. 1219 01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:55,400 And there you go. Oh, man, it seems like. 1220 01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,600 It seems like I've been either talking about this issue or 1221 01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:01,720 writing about it since since I got out of high school. 1222 01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:06,000 You know, and part of that was because those of us who grew up 1223 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,960 in southeastern Michigan and Flint and Detroit, Ann Arbor, 1224 01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:17,000 we, our neighbors, our friends and our classmates, many, many, 1225 01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,640 many Arab Americans, Muslim Americans, Palestinian 1226 01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:26,480 Americans. And so the propaganda that we 1227 01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:31,880 get fed as Americans about who we're supposed to hate and never 1228 01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:37,120 could, really, really couldn't get through to us growing up in 1229 01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:42,200 that environment because we, we knew them and saw them and lived 1230 01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:47,800 with them as human beings. So it's one of the reasons, I 1231 01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,600 guess, I don't know. I've cared about this for a long 1232 01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,920 time. And I also cared about it 1233 01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:56,320 because being in the post war, post Holocaust generation, 1234 01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:03,120 growing up in the 50s, you couldn't, you couldn't ignore 1235 01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:07,360 what had just happened a few years earlier and the slaughter 1236 01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:15,600 of millions and millions of Jews all, all throughout Europe. 1237 01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:21,760 It's the madness of all of this has gone on for way too long. 1238 01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:31,360 And President Biden, please, please, you hold the power to 1239 01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:37,000 turn this thing around. There are millions of good 1240 01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:42,760 Israelis, good people in Israel who don't want this either and 1241 01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:47,280 want the hostages back. Palestinian families want their 1242 01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,960 prisoners that are in Israeli jails back and nobody wants this 1243 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:56,400 to continue. Only the few crazies in the 1244 01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:04,440 Netanyahu war cabinet and the, the and the the total insanity 1245 01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:11,400 of people going into that techno concert down in southern Israel 1246 01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:15,320 and just slaughtering a bunch of young people who are listening 1247 01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:21,720 to music. It's all madness. 1248 01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:25,760 It's all madness. We have the power to stop it. 1249 01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,880 We know the right thing that we have to do. 1250 01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,200 And President Biden, you have to do your part. 1251 01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:39,680 Why are you risking having even 10,000 people not show up who 1252 01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,880 are just deciding they've already decided they're not 1253 01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:48,680 going to vote because of this? Hillary lost Michigan by 10,000 1254 01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:53,960 votes. Don't make the same mistake, 1255 01:23:55,400 --> 01:24:00,800 please. Again, my thanks to all the 1256 01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,680 people that are trying to help out here, all the different 1257 01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:07,840 Palestinian groups, the Jewish Voice for Peace, thank you so 1258 01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:11,440 much for your good work. Anybody can join by the way, 1259 01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,320 Jewish Voice for peace. You don't have to be Jewish. 1260 01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:18,560 You can they they allow us, those of us not Jewish in the 1261 01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,840 auxiliary branch or what? I'm just kidding. 1262 01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:21,720 I don't know. Know what? 1263 01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:27,840 What All I know is I sent in my dues and now I'm a member and I 1264 01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:35,160 participate and and I care deeply about the well-being and 1265 01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,680 the safety of Jews around the world. 1266 01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:45,160 I care deeply about the rise of anti-Semitism and the and the 1267 01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:50,080 weird hatred that has gone on for well, in their case, 1268 01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:56,160 literally thousands of years. All of this must come to an end. 1269 01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,200 Thank you my friends for listening to this compilation 1270 01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:03,560 show here today. I'm Michael Moore. 1271 01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:11,000 My thanks to my Executive Producer Angela Vargos, our 1272 01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:15,520 editor and a great friend, Donald Bornstein, who put 1273 01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:21,040 together today's show and who's also done his own great writing 1274 01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:24,480 about what's been going on since October 7th. 1275 01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:28,800 Thank you Donald, for that. And thanks to all of you who 1276 01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,560 participate and listen to this podcast. 1277 01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:34,760 There are more of us than there are of them. 1278 01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,880 Those of us who want peace, those of us who demand. 1279 01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,480 Peace and an end. An end to the slaughter. 1280 01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:43,880 We'll talk soon.