This is Rumble with Michael Moore and I'm Michael Moore.
Welcome everyone back in February shortly after
President, Biden was sworn in, I was joined on Rumble.
By congresswoman Jackie, speier she's from California and she
has been spearheading the push in Congress to finally amend the
US Constitution to enshrine Nine equal rights for women.
Nowhere in our constitution do we talk about women?
Their equality doesn't exist. We just celebrated on July 4th
the 245th birthday of this country and we are still having
a problem saying the word women, when we talk about our
constitutional rights, well, The struggle, which, which I have
just pointed out, has been ongoing for the past Century,
but in the last few years, so much progress has been made,
Virginia became the 38th state to sign off on the amendment in
January of 2020. And the number now that's needed
to officially make it the 28th Amendment of our constitution is
38 We got it, 38 States. The number needed to officially
make it the 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution.
So right, we're on the brink of victory.
Well, you sort of because the Republicans started saying,
well, wait a minute. Getting the 38th state was
supposed, you're supposed to get those 38 States in a time
period. Now, this isn't true for all
amendments to the Constitution, but when this was passed back in
the 70s, in order, to get these Republicans to go along, they
had to say, you know what, we're just going to, we have to get
these 38 States and X number of years.
Well, I didn't get them in those years but like so many other
amendments they did, eventually get the number of states that
were needed. And that's a fact.
But the Democrats they said, you know what, let's just have a
vote to get rid of that old deadline.
Then the Republicans won't be able to say, hey you didn't meet
the deadline and then thousands of you called your members of
Congress and called the White House to demand that they
prioritize the passing of the Equal Rights Amendment, the
house went ahead and passed, Jackie Spears, resolution to
remove the deadline to ratify I the ER, a by a vote of 222 to
204 in the United States House of Representatives.
So now we've got the 38 States. We've got the house.
Saying, forget the old deadline that doesn't matter.
Didn't matter in all these other amendments to the Constitution.
We got the 38 States. Let's put it in the
Constitution. Oh but wait a minute.
Yeah, the house is removed. The deadline we the sentence.
Got to remove it too. I know, right?
So Here we are. Now, it's in the Senate's hands.
Where sj1, that's the name of the bill.
Sj1 was introduced by a bipartisan group of senators.
Yes, some Republicans, a few joined on to say, forget the old
deadline, we got the 38 States. It should be in the
Constitution, but because the filibuster hasn't been abolished
yet. Joe Biden, are you listening?
You've got to tell them this is it?
Sick and tired of this, a majority of the majority, that's
51 votes. 50, Democrats plus the vice president.
That's the majority. But because this hasn't been
fixed yet, we are still trying to get Now 60 votes in the
senate in order to let this now. Certified 38th State Amendment
Equal Rights Amendment for women.
Put into our constitution, So here we are today we are in July
of 2021 and I'm not giving up on this.
I told you this at the beginning of your, one of the things I was
just going to keep on keep an eye on.
Is this Equal Rights Amendment has to be part of our
constitution, just as women are mentioned in firstly.
Every other Democratic country in their constitution in the
industrialized World, whatever you want to call it, women
exist. And we need to do the same damn
thing in a moment. I'm going to be joined by a
legendary and glass ceiling, breaking TV journalist, Carol
Jenkins who is also the president of the ER a coalition.
And she's going to be here right here in just a couple minutes to
discuss with me. How we you me all of us.
Got to this point. Yay, but we must still do in
order to make equal rights for women, part of the United States
Constitution. So hang on for just a couple of
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rumble. There's this thing called the ER
a coalition that's the Equal Rights Amendment Coalition.
It's made up of 150 organizations across the
country. The Coalition provides research,
education and advocacy and it works with both federal and
state legislators in trying to get this as part of our
constitution in the year 2020. The era Coalition was
instrumental in the advocacy work that brought about the
thirty eighth and final State needed.
That was Virginia. For ratification of the Equal
Rights Amendment to be placed. Now in the United States
Constitution and also the area Coalition was active in the vote
of Jackie Spears. Bill in the house.
Last year, to dissolve the time limit that had been weirdly
attached to the Equal Rights Amendment back in the 70s saying
that you had to get these states in this amount of time.
The just the last amendment that gotta pass 27th amendment that
have been introduced. Just 200 years before it was
ratified. So this is not a thing that's in
the Constitution. It was a made up thing that
Congress did in the 70s thus the kind of semi pickle that we're
in. I just also want to say that the
area Coalition has also continued.
Its work in the senate for the removal of that timeline and
took a leadership role in the development of an amicus brief
supporting the Attorney General's of Nevada, Illinois,
and Virginia in their suit to compel.
All the archivist. That's the guy who runs the
National Archives to publish. The are a.
Did I say it was a guy? Yeah, he's a guy.
Okay, no offense to him but still dude.
Well you know the Trump Administration forbade him from
putting the area into the Constitution.
Carol Jenkins though is here, she is our guest and she is the
president and CEO of the ER a coalition and the fun for
women's equality. She's also an author.
Author and a former Emmy award-winning journalist.
How many women did you see on the evening news?
If you're my age or older how many black women did you see
reporting on the evening news? So she's a Trailblazer in her
own, right? She's here to lay out the
roadmap for how we you and me listeners of this podcast, how
we make the Equal Rights Amendment, the law of the land
in 2021. Welcome Carol Jenkins.
Michael thank So much, you know, I always tell people because
there are people always ask me, can you just give me the short
version of the era? And my answer is always there is
no short version. We've had been at this for 100
years, but the way you presented it, you know, made it seem very
doable, don't you think, you know that we should after 100
Years be able to get this done? Yes, yes.
Because first of all, when I was in civics class, I was taught
that We have a government a democracy that's based on
majority rule, but minority rights.
And so, in this case, you have both the majority rule.
The majority of the country are women, there are more women than
men, it's like 5149 some years a teex up near 52 percent.
That's the majority. Women are the majority and the
minority rights is women are the minority because they don't hold
the power. You know, we were so excited in
November Many more women got elected to congress.
Well you know and I don't like I don't want to rain on anybody's
party and be the, the Debbie Downer here.
But I said at the time, yes progress, but we went from
women, having 20 percent of the seats in Congress from four
years ago to 25% today. Alright, so 52% of the
population has 25% of the power. You know, that's a version.
And I hope this is okay to use this word, but when the mind
when the majority don't have the power and don't have access to
the power, it's a version of apartheid, it's gender apartheid
in the sense that the majority gender.
Does not rule. Right?
And you know why, right? You know, as we talk about
systemic racism and systemic sexism is because it's the con
US Constitution that was written by white slaveholding.
Men who had no thoughts about women.
Well, that's one thing. Certainly not slave certainly,
not anybody else? That we would think would want
to or need to be included in the Constitution.
But you know, they did give the ability to To amend it at our
constitution has been amended 27 times.
Now it's just that this amendment to give women equal
rights you know, and it doesn't even say that what the amendment
says is, you know, Michael and thank you for your leadership
in. This is it all it says is you
cannot discriminate against someone because of their sex.
And that means because of the recent Supreme Court decision,
anyone sex, any gender expression.
And that's the only thing. That this amendment fixes as
this constitution needs to be fixed.
But I say, you know, let's not dream about some other solution
to systemic sexism or racism. It's written in the Playbook
that we all have to live by and Lincoln and the Congress at the
time and the states. At that time, did take care of
the racial part, it didn't. It didn't really, it wasn't
enforced. It didn't really come into
action for another hundred. Years and and we're still
fighting it now with voter suppression and all these other
things, eight minutes and 46 seconds.
So we had a ways to go, but it got put in the Constitution.
So that years later when, when Martin Luther King, when others
wanted to have have at least a leg up to try to get some
equality, it was there in the constitution is right there and
and to this day as you said we don't their women are not
acknowledged. And anywhere in the Constitution
193, countries acknowledge women equal rights.
Whether it's equal rights for women, or there's not to be
discrimination via on the basis of gender 193 countries.
That's got to include some dictatorships.
Have that I know, I know, I know, it's extraordinary, isn't
it? And, you know, we are here is
the same woman, Alice, Paul, who gave women the right to vote?
When that was passed that white. We have one more step to go.
That really doesn't do it. As we can see, women have had
the vote for 100 years now and we're still unequal and that one
other piece was recognition in the in the Constitution, but
it's taken all of this time and Alice Paul.
I am told when the, the era finally passed Congress in 1972
and went out to the state's when she Stood that it has this
little thing written in the Preamble and the introduction
that said that, there was a time limit that she actually cried.
Because she knew she knew that this was going to create a
problem for for getting it adopted into the Constitution.
And so, here, we are. Now, having met the Constitution
only says article 52 things, you know, passage by 2/3 of the
Congress and 13, right? Dun dun, dun Two-thirds of
Congress already did it and how many states 38 States 38 States?
I was our 38th State last year, Don done.
So you know, it's just this Wrinkle in the introduction that
we're still fighting over that. We hope the Congress can
dissolve. And Jackie speier last year was
a miracle woman. She got that through the House
of Representatives it you know, it passed the resolution went
out but in order for it, It's to take both houses, have to pass
it in the same Congressional session and the Senate refused
to take it up but now we have one.
Now we have we we we who support equal rights for women.
I have the Senate and we have some Republicans like Lisa
murkowski in the Senate who will join with us.
Already said she's already. She's co-sponsor yes shit with
Ben Cardin, Senator Cardin. We have we believe that when
Susan Collins is Also has been a stalwart supporter so we have
two Republican women and the entire Democratic caucus in the
Senate. We just have not been able to
get it to the floor for a vote. So so let's just pretend like
I'm a man that is so and and and let's reverse this, that it
wasn't 38 States and two thirds of Congress.
That said men have won the right to do something, just whatever,
whatever it is. Like like we have a
constitutional, right? To hold the remote Mote control.
All right, so let's just say that became that.
That once it's we've got the 38 States.
We've got two thirds of Congress.
Now we have the house and the Senate where we can take the
time limit provision off because it's been put on and off, not
just this amendment but before. Yeah, it's like, you know what?
Guys would say if this was a this was I you you stopping us.
From worker, we to know, we do know.
Yeah. Because we because we would
throwing our weight around for like ten thousand years and now
I hope in my lifetime, I will see the end of that.
You do know that you're our hero, right?
Because you have consistently been out there for us on this
amendment and so we so appreciate it.
You're one of the few male voices that we hear who get it.
Who understand. Yeah, the question that we
usually get is well, why do women need it?
And what we say is have you looked real giraffe?
Do you know who the poor people are the impoverished or women?
Do you know who the starving are their children?
One out of three children. I mean that's figure, they
usually use is 1 out of 4, but we believe it's one out of three
children who don't know where their next meal is coming from.
And even if they're not in single-family homes, if they're
women are partnering the That they get paid less than men, you
know, their Partners do is creating you know this this as
we saw as we have seen during the pandemic is huge scandalous,
group of people who cannot afford to eat who do not have
homes and who are scared to death that they're going to die
because they're essential workers.
And so it is, it's time to rectify this ad with your help.
I think we're good. Get it done this year in 2021 in
addition to being the majority of our poor are women and
children. The there's another effect that
never really gets brought up. And I hear people Democrats and
Republicans talk about the working class the workbook, and
they conjure up the image of lunch bucket, Joe and the truth
is in 2021, the majority of the working class, in other words,
the lowest paid, right? Amongst us are women, right?
That's jobs. You know, they were the first to
go in the pandemic I or I mean there's so many statistics on
this with what we're living through right now.
Thank you for saying that about you know I you know part of this
is you know I mean I don't say I'm motivated for selfish
reasons here but but I just say this to guys all the time that
we will benefit we as men are going to benefit.
And I show I talk about the countries around the world.
World wet that where they have close to a majority of their
legislators or women or they have executive president or
prime minister, generally those countries.
If you look at the good that they do for the working class,
for the poor for children, Education Health, all these
things, I mean, I hate to say this guy's, you know.
But you know, if you've ever been married to any of us to get
us to go to the dentist, you might as well literally be
pulling teeth. So I'm just Saying, so all
right. I'm but, but you know, I don't
know, 55 Sarah said this publicly, but I actually feel
blessed. I've only I have only lived in
in majority, female households in my life.
I've never been in the majority from birth from birth.
So it's myself and my two sisters a good guy, right?
You're what I do. Well, I think I did pay
attention and I, you know and whenever There was a vote in the
house, it was my two sisters and my mom and me, and my dad was
322. And then eventually, very
quickly though while in elementary school, I realized
that actually their way was better.
So then it became 4 to 1 then my dad realized.
Yeah. You know what I'm all-in.
So, it was like a five to zero, but with, but it was, it was a.
And then, you know, I was married and had a daughter.
So, again, two to one, but it wasn't, but it wasn't that
either. Because by, then I was Semi
enlightened. And, and, and fortunate to be
living in households where where I could learn.
But a lot of this to guys, I mean the guys are just thinking,
okay? Okay dude, what is wrong with
you? I'm telling you if you know
there's if we would just like lower the volume a little bit,
you know. And listen there's a lot of
things we can. Barn and we will be better off.
All of us will be better off for it.
I truly truly believe that you know, our country has gotten
extremely wealthy where you know a very well-off Nation for most
and besides the fact that we have so many starving people,
you know that Scandal but Corporate America has gotten
extraordinarily profitable by the, by the imbalance of
payments of income, for for the win.
Men who work in almost every category on every level.
So I think that you know, one of the things that gets me so upset
is that every year we do the Equal Pay story, you know, you
can tell where that comes around, you know what a woman
generally has to work to make what a white man made the year
before a black woman and Latina woman, has to work a year to
equal the same salary as the the men did it the year before.
It's infuriating. What I say is that we have tried
everything else, we've thrown trillions of dollars time and
energy and it doesn't get fixed and it's because the
Constitution isn't fixed. And so I think with your help,
we're going to make sure that that, you know, that happens
that we get a Level Playing Field and, and everyone, you
know, it's, you know, we're talking about inclusion by sex
now, but the other things that need to be fixed or disability,
You know the gender expression we're working on that that's
included in this, you know, in this amendment.
But but our country, so many people are suffering.
You cannot tell me that. That many categories of people
will be at the bottom of the Heap in terms of equality and we
do nothing to fix it. So write it, you know, on that
on that gender equality day like how few Hollis days, men have to
work to attain Women get each year.
I have to nonprofit theaters in Michigan, our house movie
theaters. And on that day, every year to
celebrate celebrate that men coming to the, my movie theater
on that day, have to pay that percentage more.
So if women are making only 80 cents on the dollar men have to
pay 20% more for the movie ticket that day than women
coming his head. I just like Seeing the feather
faces, like, what the? That's not the way to fix it by
discriminating against us. And that's don't think of it as
discrimination. Just think of it as a little
little tweak. A little pinch to remind you and
me and other men. We have to be at the Forefront
of this fight too. And so the people listening
Carol, tell them what are the things that they can do to join
in and to help to help get Equal Rights Amendment actually
literally, it's already been passed.
So literally put into written down in our constitution.
Well, we are doing two things. We've delivered a letter to
President Biden and vice president.
Harris asking them because we know they support it to use
whatever they have at their disposal.
One of the reasons is the archivist has not attached to
this because of the Department of Justice of a previous
administration. Instructed him not to and not
that we want interference of the Department of Justice, but there
is a memo sitting there. That could be somehow we don't
want to encourage any kind of illegal activity, but it struck
the archivist, in whatever way is possible for him to just
publish the ER, a there's a short way.
And otherwise to use this tremendous experience in
Congress to massage the vote, so that we can go by again.
Joe bide. Yes.
We can can get the the resolution out of the Senate.
So because of the filibuster, we would need the 60 votes, there
might be a way of now that Durbin is in judiciary and sugar
as a leader, we might be able to get a vote or that we have the
52 votes that would give us the Equal Rights Amendment.
So what people can do is implore their Senators, that's the
Focus. We have as Jackie speier as
magnificently collected. So many spot co-sponsors and and
votes in the house. But in the Senate to impress
upon your Senators that you you realize that we do not have
equality and that it is time and 2021 to give equality to based
on sex. No discrimination based on sex
and just remove the time limit on the ER, a so that we can
proceed then You know to to, you know what, we started this
organization. We thought, oh well just get the
area and then we'll all go home. What an accomplishment that
would be a lot. Of course, we began to realize
the years ahead of us that that we will have to do to correct
imbalances. One of our members in Arizona
has gotten 2224 pro bono lawyers and looked in Arizona at the
rules in the state government that will have to be changed
that. Art is 650 pages long.
So the work ahead of us answer to to erase that written in
stone in, you know, rules across this country, all of that work.
Still, you know, is ahead of us so explore your Senators.
Okay, so, all right, so let me do it.
I'll put this very bluntly then. So Carol Jenkins.
Yes, the people listening to the my podcast right now.
What can they do? To, to make sure that the Equal
Rights Amendment is part of our United States Constitution
already passed by Congress, already passed by the required
38 States. Still not in the Constitution.
What can they do? So that?
It becomes part of the Constitution, they should tell
them. Tell them right now, what they
can do, go to our website, we are a coalition dot-org.
We give you a way to reach your Senators, erase that deadline,
get rid of that and that is the stumbling block that will be in
our way until it's completely taken away by Congress in both
the house and the Senate, it will always a straight up to the
Supreme Court be an issue. And a stumbling block.
So we need that erased. Go to our website, you're a
coalition dot org and help us reach the Biden Administration.
We know that they support us, we know that they want to do this.
You know all of the polling suggests that 90-plus percent of
America is ready for this. It is only a few legislators who
are not. It's hard to find people these
days who say there should not be any quality, or sure we should
just discriminate based on sexual.
Hardest of Hearts apply those people these days but it's a
it's a legislative thing that has to be done and, you know, we
ask for your support come to we will, we will assist you in
whatever way we can. We've evaluated all of a sudden
deters and all of the House of Representatives where they stand
on equality. So it's an easy way are electi
Quality Tool to determine where your representative stand on the
issue and to To, you know, let's make a Ruckus and let's make
sure, you know, that we get it done, okay?
So you go to PR a coalition dot-org, right?
Right. Er, a coalition dot-org and
there, you will have what you need because when you call your
Senators, you got to know the name of the bill.
You're asking them to get behind, right?
Right. One in the Senate as SJ res 10.
So we love After that we moved up won't SJ resolution 1 and the
Senate. Well, that's easy to remember.
So you call your Senators. Hi the number to Capitol
switchboard is 20 22 24 3121. I'll post it on my podcast
feature. In case you didn't write that
down and you call and you ask to speak want to the first Senator
then you got to get back on the phone and talk to the second
Senator and you say I need you. You immediately to pass SJ
resolution 1 in the US Senate, for the Equal Rights Amendment
it, do it, and it's to get rid of the time limit which the 27th
Amendment didn't have. They had 20 to 200 years to get
that passed, but women, We only gave you like a decade or so, in
the 70s, if you couldn't get it past them, and to hell with you.
No, we don't agree with any of that neither.
Do you listen to this? So you call your Senators, 20
22, 24 3121, tell them the pass SJ resolution, number one, and
and, and then then you've got to let President Biden and vice
president, Harris know that you want this as a priority and you
can Them at whitehouse.gov, but these are the hold the power.
They have the White House, the house senate, and you've know
what I feel about the filibuster, that things got to
end. And if the Republicans want to
filibuster this, let them stand there and filibuster stand and
talk one of you at a time till you drop.
No food, no water. No sleep.
Stand for a day or two stretcher will come in and take you out.
See how many Republicans want to stand up against women's rights?
I don't think it's going to be a lot folks, but, you know, I hope
the Democrats will take care of this crazy.
Filibuster thing, that's my own opinion.
Not not the purpose of this episode, but we need to get as
many Republicans because they can't be a bad thing.
Get behind this. Carol what else?
Anything else people can do to help.
That's it and just to live equality in your own lives.
Understand, you know, that this is not an abstract idea that
people are starving, that there's a way to fix it and it
is by amending the Constitution and we can do Band-Aids until we
fix the Constitution, but they will only be Band-Aids.
This is the, this is the, the trail we have to follow to True
equality in the United States of America.
I don't think you're asking for Lat my hat by asking that the
United States Constitution states specifically that it
includes 51 percent of the American population, more than
51 percent women so, women and girls.
All right, well, I really appreciate you coming on and
saying these things. Thank you for the kind words
about what we've been doing here.
We are not going to let up on this.
We want everybody participating in our era.
T''v and let's get this done now.
This year no more horsing around on this.
It's wrong, it's morally wrong and you know, you know, whoever
you are. It's the right thing to do.
Do the right thing, Carol Jenkins.
Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Michael.
We love you. We're Michael Moore fan club
because that you are behind the Equal Rights Amendment.
And you have been for many many years.
So, thank you. Well, I got to tell you, it was
great. Speaking to Carol Jenkins in
honor to have her on this podcast.
I remember back when I was a kid, as I said in this interview
with her, you did not see women reporters or anchors.
You didn't, and you certainly didn't see black women,
reporters and anchors. She broke that barrier and she
is still with us. And now she is fighting to make
sure the barriers are broken for all women by getting the era.
In our constitution. So you've got your marching
orders, my friends, right? You've got to push the Senate
right now and, you know, I would really, I know you're thinking,
oh my God, this I call the senator, get these awful
Senators. Listen, here's the, here's the
thing in our favor, women are the majority gender.
That means more women vote the men, but it's even better than
that. You know, women to men is like
51 to 49 percent of the country. Sometimes it's depending the
year 52 percent of forty eight percent.
So there's always more of them because they're the majority
gender, but they also vote more than men depending on the year.
I mean they can they could be voting sometimes ten points
higher than men in our elections.
So Republicans were listening to this and Republican Senators.
You need to tell your Republican Senators.
Look, you know, we may not agree on a lot of things but you want
to be re-elected, you do. Not want to be listed as one of
the Republicans who said no women shouldn't have equal
rights and they should not be in the United States Constitution.
If that's the position you're going to take and believe me,
Carol's group, Jackie Spirits group, me, you all of us, we are
going to make sure that the citizens of this country know
the names of the Senators, the Republican Senators who voted
against this. They can't win without Out
women's votes. They know that they need to be
reminded of that and in their own self-interest even though
the last thing they want to do probably is to give you equal
rights to women is even have to laugh when I say that it's a
weird concept but that it does they know it's in their best
interest, they had better. Well vote for this because we're
going to make it public and we're going to come after them
and they're not going to get reelected. they're not going to
get reelected, for a whole lot of other reasons too, because we
need a stronger Democratic majority than the one we have
now where we end up having to beg, Certain Democrats to please
be Democrats, my friends, you have to do this.
I'm sorry to ask you again, sorry to give the number again,
but as I already showed you the rumble bump you did this.
When I asked you to do it back at the beginning of the year, to
call your members of Congress and boom, it passed to get rid
of this deadline. The deadline that, you know, was
set up so long ago, all we care about is the 38 states that were
needed to pass it. Have now passed it.
And it should be part of our United States Constitution just
like that. So call your Senators, I'll give
you the number and I'll have it here on the platform page or you
found my podcast 200 to 225 3121.
A human operator will pick up and you need to say, I need to
speak to my Senator and they'll say what state and you'll say,
you know, Wisconsin or whatever. And then they'll say you want to
speak to Senator so-and-so, first or the other one, just
pick one callback quote and then speak to the other one.
The real make sure you speak to the Republicans and if you all,
if you have two Democratic senators, like we do in
Michigan, then you need to call them to and tell them that
you're calling Senators as are thousands of other listeners of
Rumble and we expect nothing less.
Damn women being given equal rights as 38 states have already
voted and passed. This amendment, which is what is
the number? That's the number required by
the Constitution. so, please call them tonight tomorrow
whenever 200 to 225 3121 Let's make this a reality please.
My friends. I'm not going to stop until it
is. I want to thank my executive
producer bezel, Hamden, a my editor and Sound Engineering, it
was, and everyone else who has helped to make this podcast
possible. Thank you.
All of you. This is Rumble and I like one.
Thanks everyone. Take care.