1 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:11,360 All right, guys, welcome to another episode of Black Geek 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:17,920 Energy and on today shall look some guests come on the show and 3 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,480 some guests actually help start the show. 4 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:28,000 Today's guest was actually our very first guest ever and now 5 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,640 he's back for the third time, which at this point just makes 6 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,880 him a part of the foundations over here at Black Geek Energy. 7 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:41,360 If you don't know by now, you need to queue up these past 8 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,160 episodes 'cause he is a comic book writer whose worked on 9 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:49,120 titles like Aquaman and Star Wars Adventures. 10 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:54,080 And now he's back with his latest project, Ancestral 11 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:59,240 Recall, a story that blends black history, sci-fi and the 12 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,920 supernatural. Anyway, you don't really see in 13 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:07,400 comics nowadays, every single time he pulls up the comic 14 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:12,280 conversation, yeah, the conversation gets better. 15 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:19,480 So now we had to run another one for the release of his trade 16 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:25,800 paperback of this book Anyways, so give a big round of applause 17 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,040 for Jordy Clark. Yeah. 18 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,040 Appreciate y'all having me back on again. 19 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,360 I feel like, you know, my I need to do the SNL thing where I get 20 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,400 like a jacket or like a yeah like a pin or something. 21 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:42,520 I. Know, I know. 22 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,480 OK, Jordan, you know, I always start with the hardest question 23 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:47,840 first. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 24 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,920 I always start with the hardest question 1st and I just gotta 25 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:57,280 ask. I have booked you twice already. 26 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:04,760 This time was kind of different. Jordan has got some people I 27 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,280 received the e-mail like would you like for? 28 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,040 I'm like what? I was like ass because I knew 29 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,440 that the sun was coming down. I saw all the stuff on TikTok. 30 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,400 I was like, I was about to ask. I just had to get up the nerves 31 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,680 and write the proposal. And then here comes Jordan's 32 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:30,560 people up in them. BGEEI was like, excuse me, OK, 33 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,680 Jordan's people. Jordan, I guess that you you 34 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,480 real big time now. Well, you know, we, we, we're 35 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,040 trying to promote the big, the book as big as possible. 36 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,960 So shout out to Hannah, who's been handing a lot of the 37 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,960 publicity for Hawaii. Yeah, I think, you know, it's, 38 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,960 it's difficult. I mean, you can attest, you 39 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:56,000 know, just even doing the podcast, like booking people, 40 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,520 trying to, you know, coordinate all the schedules and all that 41 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,040 stuff. So I'm very grateful that, you 42 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,280 know, Hawaii is is helped out with that and, you know, been 43 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,800 able to kind of schedule stuff like this. 44 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,360 You know, when when she sent the e-mail, I was like, I know them, 45 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,520 you know, not even in the way. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't even in 46 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,840 a way that was like, you know, like, all right, black eke 47 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,680 energy, whatever. It was more just like, oh, it's 48 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,640 it's weird to get an e-mail asking if I want to go on a show 49 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:28,960 that I've already been on twice. It was real professional. 50 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,120 We were like, like, hey guys, can I come on the show? 51 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,240 That could have been the e-mail, the text. 52 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,640 Yeah, no, I was like, I could, I could have hit him up. 53 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,800 But I guess sometimes you go through the official channels, 54 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:40,280 right. So. 55 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,560 You had the flex on this real quick. 56 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,800 I know Jordan has gotten big time now, but I'm still going to 57 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,880 hit you up in the in the Instagram DM so. 58 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,840 Absolutely. Don't, don't look at me funny. 59 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,360 Now that you got I, I, I knew you first. 60 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:05,000 All right? No, I mean that's I was just 61 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,200 going to say, you know, we're we're we're family. 62 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,400 So you know, it's never it's never anything. 63 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,280 If you guys ever need me to come on the show or anything like 64 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:13,960 that, Well, it's always great to talk with y'all. 65 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:15,760 Thank you. Thank you. 66 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:21,720 OK, Jordan, we're going to start this week off by we stop every 67 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,960 week. We're going to get to ancestor 68 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,240 recall in a minute. But how has your past week been? 69 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,000 It's been, it's been pretty good. 70 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:34,560 You know, I wasn't going to say, you know, anything, anything 71 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,960 negative. I think I don't know how you all 72 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:43,440 feel just living in, in current times, but like I've been trying 73 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,920 to practice a bit more mindfulness for sure. 74 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:54,120 But also just like, I guess I would say, you know, like an 75 00:04:54,240 --> 00:05:01,120 intentional intentionalness with the way that I, I, I choose to 76 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,560 spend my time and interact with things because I feel like 77 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,880 there's a lot of things that are trying to distract you from just 78 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,800 just just general life, general happiness. 79 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,160 And so, you know, I feel like it's kind of easy to get sucked 80 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,880 into not only just like negative spirals through like social 81 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,600 media and stuff like that, but I feel like it's also kind of just 82 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:26,000 even, you know, we're, we're in a geek space, right? 83 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,760 And so like a lot of you know, what, what's coming across your 84 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,760 feed, you know, and we, and we know this, we know that how the 85 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,760 algorithms work is the negativity is what gets the, the 86 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,840 platform and bumped up. And so, you know, you're seeing 87 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,840 basically just like, oh, you know, this sucked or like this 88 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:45,120 came out and I didn't like it or, you know, Can you believe 89 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,720 that they did XYZ in this comic or whatever? 90 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,840 And you're just kind of like, I'm, I'm trying to get back to 91 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:54,240 the things that I, I like and enjoy and having conversations 92 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,640 with people who like things and enjoy things and, and talk about 93 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,760 it that way. So I would say this past week 94 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,400 has kind of been a little bit of like a like a reset, you know, 95 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:08,120 in terms of just kind of trying to take it easy and not let 96 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,360 myself get caught up in too much drama going on as opposed to 97 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,400 like trying to find the things that I'm I'm enjoying and, and 98 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:16,760 taking it easy with that. So. 99 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,200 OK. Nice. 100 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,120 So does it mean, does that mean like, trying to like, stay out 101 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,840 of the news as much like you don't want, like you don't want 102 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:27,080 to see what Trump's doing every day? 103 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,800 You know, it's crazy because you have, Yeah, you kind of have to 104 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,240 be aware of things that are going on. 105 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,880 So, you know, I'm, I'm, I, I peep my head out, you know, 106 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,640 every once in a while just to get, get a wind of what's going 107 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,000 on. But also like, I think, I mean, 108 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,800 if we're talking about that specifically, you know, dude is 109 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,600 crazy. So every every 5 minutes 110 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:50,920 something different is happening. 111 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,440 So it's not even like it's not worth it to stay informed about 112 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,920 what's going on, but like 10 minutes from the last crazy 113 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,840 thing you heard could be something completely different. 114 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:01,200 And then it's just like, you know, I just spent 5 minutes 115 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,440 trying to process the last thing and now we're doing whatever. 116 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,320 So it's like, you know, I'll, I'll check in when I need to, 117 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,480 you know, and I kind of have my, my my trusted sources that I can 118 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,080 go to and be like, all right, you know, I guess that's 119 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,840 happening. But but also, you know, again, 120 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,960 not to get like, you know, super woo woo or whatever with it, but 121 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,360 like trying to hold on to the things that you can control and 122 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:25,960 like you can't control that man, so. 123 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,920 Absolutely, Absolutely. It might have been a therapy. 124 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,720 Control what you can control. Worry about what you can 125 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,840 control. Yeah, I know exactly, exactly 126 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,040 what you're talking about because I was playing D&D last 127 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,920 night. We had so much fun. 128 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:53,360 I I run AD and D campaign and my people were running from a 129 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:58,320 beholder zombie. Great, great adventures. 130 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:03,720 It did. I The thing is over and I've 131 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,400 checked my phone. The president's obviously a 132 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:14,560 Skywalker at this point. And I'm just like, why? 133 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,600 Why? So I just went in bed and I just 134 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:23,520 kept listening to my lit RPG about ants and. 135 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,400 And yeah, it just, it just didn't make no sense. 136 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:32,559 But yeah, I'm doing geek stuff. Was a great, great escape from 137 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,159 all of the Trump nonsense going on. 138 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:41,200 Absolutely, Absolutely. My previous week it's been 139 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,240 pretty good. I've been working from home 140 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,080 because we're just moving offices and I'm not a work for 141 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,160 home person. But this week of like just being 142 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,840 like not having to get up early, not having to like fight 143 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:59,120 traffic, you know, I can take a few more breaks then and the 144 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,880 rules is written. So yeah, it's been, it's been 145 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,920 hella smooth. And I went on a hike yesterday 146 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,280 and I'm not a hiker. I'm not a walk outside with no 147 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,880 destination person. So. 148 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,880 But it was real nice. Like, yeah, yeah. 149 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,360 It was like we did like 2, maybe 2 1/2 miles. 150 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,080 No, we did like almost 3 1/2 miles. 151 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,000 And like when I got home, I was like, we supposed to go out last 152 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,760 night. But like, we got home, we was 153 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,720 like, hey, a nap sounds pretty good. 154 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,440 But the rest of. The. 155 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:38,000 Time so you have that work from home thing like it's like, you 156 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,400 know, you could be home so you're playing video games. 157 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:50,840 Wow, what is going on? But but people say that they 158 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,840 still get their work, if not more work done. 159 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:00,840 So are you feeling that more work? 160 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,400 You feel like a slack off. Oh, no, I, I low key do feel 161 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,200 like I get more stuff done just because there's less 162 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,040 distractions. Like when I'm, when I'm, you 163 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,680 know, when I come in here, close the door, like I'm locked in 164 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,840 versus like in the office, like, oh, can we meet real quick? 165 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,280 Like somebody come over to my desk and I get a chat and that's 166 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,160 what, 30 minutes going right there. 167 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,880 You know, I don't have to like get up and leave the office and 168 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,720 go to the bathroom. Well, the way the bathrooms were 169 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,840 in my office, the bathrooms like outside, it was kind of weird. 170 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,840 Outside are you a gear like why are you? 171 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,480 Why are you using the apples? Not like they were just like 172 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,320 detached from the building. Like once you were in the 173 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,040 bathroom that was enclosed as well. 174 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,200 They're just detached. Marcus, why doesn't your office 175 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,640 has have the bathroom in the office? 176 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:52,320 Does your? No, I'm not the architect. 177 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,400 You're asking me the question. Hey, I can only worry about what 178 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,320 I can control. So. 179 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,240 So does the new office have bathrooms in the office so you 180 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,360 don't have to go down to the local Starbucks? 181 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,360 I don't. Know I haven't seen it. 182 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,920 I haven't seen it yet. Is it? 183 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,160 What I've heard is the kitchen is supposed to be in the middle 184 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,640 of the office though. And I'm like, that's weird. 185 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,440 Why are y'all worried about the kitchen? 186 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,720 Y'all need to start at the basics. 187 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,480 Prisons have bathrooms to Marcus. 188 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,280 Hey, a kitchen is like a basic need at the office. 189 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,600 No, it's. Not have a bathroom first. 190 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,600 You can't even poop poop where you where you work at on company 191 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,920 tile because you have to go outside the building. 192 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,480 And so and so and you know, that's, that's what I would do, 193 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:48,960 OK. Well, my week has been 194 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,760 uneventful as usual. Maybe you start living a life. 195 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,400 I know, right? I, I walk 2 miles just in the 196 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:03,960 woods outside my not the woods, but I live out in a rural area 197 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,400 so I just walk every down the street. 198 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:06,720 So it's like I'm walking in the woods. 199 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:11,800 Obviously I walk about two miles in that every day, but it's not 200 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,720 like up and down hills like in California with like a walking 201 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,520 stick. So there are stray dogs that 202 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,040 come out so. You need a walking stick. 203 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,200 I'm a dog person. Like I'll be like, hey dog, they 204 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:36,280 would like. But yeah, I've also been 205 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:43,800 listening to Chrysalis. This the new lit RPG Isakai book 206 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:49,840 audio book that I am listening to it is so good I love it. 207 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,120 Jordan, have you heard about the late RPGs that dungeon crawler 208 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,400 called the discount Dad The have you it's. 209 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,240 Kind of Dang. Yeah, it's supposed to be really 210 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,400 fun. I'm about to listen that one 211 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,600 next. But have you read these yet? 212 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:10,080 I've started the Dungeon Crawler Carl series which was a lot of 213 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,760 fun but I I haven't gotten into the other ones yet. 214 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,920 So now now that you're mentioning it, I need to put 215 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,040 them back on my list so I can. Chrysalis. 216 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:24,960 OK, Chrysalis It's about this guy, this 15 year old who gets 217 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,160 turned into a Ant after he dies on Earth. 218 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:34,000 And it's so good. Like the first 76 chapters of 219 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,360 this book, he doesn't talk to anybody. 220 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:42,360 It is so compelling that you want to know what is going on 221 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:47,400 and like throughout the book and before each, well before certain 222 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,960 chapters, there were, there may be a smart excerpt of how the 223 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:56,880 world works or like a narrator or a historian or something. 224 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:03,040 And it's, it's so great. It's so, so amazing how he does 225 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,840 this book. And I'm on book 6 now and I 226 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,480 can't stop listen to them. So yeah, His next book comes out 227 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,160 in June. And Dodge Crawler Carl. 228 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,880 So where are you and Dodge Crawler Carl? 229 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,000 I just finished the second book. Oh, way ahead of. 230 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,600 Yeah, way ahead. Of me. 231 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,480 Yeah. But now I saw, I saw too, that 232 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,080 they're doing them as like graphic novels now. 233 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,160 And I know I I feel like I've heard there's going to be like 234 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,000 an animated series. Yeah. 235 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,880 Seth Rollins Yeah. So they're really, you know, 236 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,040 like building that out. Yeah, yeah, on Paramountfox. 237 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,880 I don't know if it's animated or live action, but he's he's he's 238 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,360 doing it now. But yeah, Dougie Chronicle is 239 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,280 great. I'll wait on that. 240 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,800 When next month, the new Chrysalis, What comes out after 241 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,720 that? So I'm really into these little 242 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,240 RPGs. Haven't even done any of my 243 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,960 anime or manga stuff. Yeah, but that's all that my 244 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,520 week has been. I've, I've, I've been through 245 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:12,280 two of those books this week. I'm just laying down in a dark 246 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,840 room and it's absorbing them all. 247 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,760 So yeah, that's been great for me. 248 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,560 So, George, are you like reading the actual books? 249 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,040 Are you doing the audio book too? 250 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,120 I'm reading the actual books. I always feel like the thing 251 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,680 that messes me up with an audio book is like we all have our own 252 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:33,080 like internal reading speed. And so listening to like a 253 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,280 narrator, sometimes it's like, if they're not kind of matching 254 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,560 kind of how I normally read, like the pace I normally read 255 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,960 at, you know, it kind of throws me off because like I, you know, 256 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,080 I clearly love a podcast and like an audio drama and stuff 257 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,640 like that. But something like in a book, I 258 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,520 kind of either need to be physically reading it or if I'm 259 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,240 listening to it, like I think audiobooks really just come down 260 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,480 to the, to the person who's narrating it, like their energy 261 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,240 and they're facing and all that stuff. 262 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,160 So like it can kind of throw you off. 263 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,120 So I haven't listened to the dungeon Carlo Carlo like 264 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,560 audiobooks yet, But I mean, I've heard good things. 265 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,160 So maybe that's maybe I'll try it with the next one to see how 266 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:14,800 it feels. It's amazing. 267 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:20,320 It is amazing and the only thing is he he does all the voices 268 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,400 like OK, I thought he had a full studio production. 269 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,040 He is doing everybody in there. And the person who does Doctor 270 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,560 Caller Call also does the Chrysalis book. 271 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,960 So I really think that that's why I like the Chrysalis book so 272 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,560 much. Chris is audio book. 273 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:45,240 But yeah, the person who is reading this is a amazing, is 274 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:46,000 amazing. All right. 275 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,040 Okay, I'm like that too, Jordan, Like I have. 276 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,120 You're not supposed to do this, but I read with the voices in my 277 00:16:54,120 --> 00:17:00,120 head and sometimes the audiobook person is just like boring. 278 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,720 It's like I can make this more. Yeah, yeah. 279 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,160 And I think that's the thing too, because I was just to 280 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,079 another one and I can't even finish it because it was so 281 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,720 boring. And the other thing is I have to 282 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,880 be without any distractions. Like I was listening to 283 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,440 audiobook and walking. If a squirrel run across the 284 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,720 street, that's 45 seconds that I've lost in the audience. 285 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,800 Like then I got to go back 60 seconds to catch up with where I 286 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,960 was. So no distractions as I have to 287 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,680 be a mind of Zen. And I think that's might be why 288 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:38,120 I like it, because I'm not thinking, you know, I'm not 289 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:41,360 overthinking anything. So I don't know, maybe a foreign 290 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:43,280 meditation for me? Yeah, yeah, OK. 291 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:52,200 OK, DeMarcus at this point let's go ahead and move on to our put 292 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,560 you on 2nd. Jordan, you know how this works. 293 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:00,640 We are going to put our lists on to something that we have liked 294 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:07,920 recently, whether it is a podcast or a movie or TV show or 295 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,760 book or anything. And this is sponsored by a good 296 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,840 friends at Movie Pass. So, DeMarcus, can you please 297 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,440 tell them a little bit about Movie Pass? 298 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,040 Absolutely. We Pass is a subscription based 299 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,240 service. You download the app, go ahead 300 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,600 and do your sign up and everything and they will send 301 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,800 you a movie pass card that acts just like a debit card. 302 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:35,200 And you can use that to buy movie tickets in theaters from 303 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:40,160 any theater, Regal, AMC, Cinemark, Cinepolis, any place 304 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,480 where you go see movies, you can use that to buy your tickets. 305 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,920 The whole thing, the whole premise, the whole, the whole 306 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,960 reason movie passes here is to make it easier, cheaper and more 307 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,600 affordable for you and your friends to go to the movies. 308 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,200 You know, I was using it before they sponsored the podcast and 309 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,080 it definitely does that in spades. 310 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,480 I had like the lowest tier account and I was spending like 311 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,600 $10 a month to get these movie credits and I was seeing two or 312 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:10,520 two to three movies a month. And after I used it once I made 313 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,320 my money back even at the cheapest theater that was like 314 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,920 around me. This was probably like 4 years 315 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,480 ago at this point and it's cheapest movie theater. 316 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,840 I was spending $16.00 a ticket, $10 a month, $16.00 a ticket and 317 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:25,960 I'm seeing 2 to 3 movies a month. 318 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,480 Y'all do the math. Movie pass for your ass. 319 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,640 Yeah, and MoviePass, it'll it allows you to buy your ticket on 320 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,120 that that movie theaters website. 321 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:42,360 So you're still accruing your points for like free popcorn or 322 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:48,040 free additional movie tickets. And what I started doing this, I 323 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:53,120 started to actually buy tickets to black movies. 324 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:56,160 I'm not going to see like this new you, me and Tuscany. 325 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,200 I'm not going to watch that love story child. 326 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,560 I don't really care. Oh, OK. 327 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,160 What? You better take it for it. 328 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,440 What like I, I, I love the Baileys. 329 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,080 Well, the one Bailey, the other Bailey went to the Kanye 330 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,400 concert. So I'm kind of iffy with her 331 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:18,280 right now. But I love the Baileys and I'm 332 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,640 going to support them. I'm going to support black 333 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,400 movies. So I have been using the points 334 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,760 I've I've been been given to purchase this black movie and to 335 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,760 make sure that this black movie succeeds. 336 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:37,360 And according to the the charge, it's it's it's been succeeding 337 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:39,520 and more black movies like it are going to be made. 338 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,360 So, yeah. Nice. 339 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,680 So this week I want to put you on to a movie that I saw called 340 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,240 Hollow Rd. Now this one is about two 341 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:59,240 parents and they get a call from their child who is coming home 342 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:05,360 from college and she gets into an accident and her parents once 343 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:14,200 a police wants a retired detective, once a a ambulance 344 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,040 emergency. EMT. 345 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:23,040 EMT and they are telling her don't call the cops yet and they 346 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,600 are racing to her because guess what, the girl was too scared to 347 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,200 give this this girl who she ran over CPR. 348 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,560 So they're like don't call the cops, we're coming. 349 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:40,400 You can blame it on us. But some something happens. 350 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:48,120 This other woman shows up and she knows a lot about this girl 351 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:51,720 and her family. Very suspenseful because all you 352 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:57,840 see are these two distraught parents and they are racing to 353 00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:02,240 this daughter that we never seen. 354 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,600 And I very suspenseful, very thrilling, very good, extremely 355 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,400 good. I answered my seat the whole 356 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,840 time. Hollow Rd. 357 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,360 Go see it. OK, OK, very nice. 358 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,760 I have a movie to put y'all on to as well. 359 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,720 This one is called the Double Star. 360 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,680 The double. Yep, this one is it stars Jesse 361 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,120 Eisenberg there in like this, not apocalyptic, but like like a 362 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:33,320 different, a different alternative reality or whatever. 363 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,480 And they are like data entry clerks. 364 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,880 He's a daily entry clerk or something like this where he's 365 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,040 just like pushing buttons and doing math at his job, but he's 366 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,840 like super passive, super meek and like everybody just pretty 367 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,600 much just like runs over him in every part of his life. 368 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,640 And at a certain point his like doppelganger shows up. 369 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,480 Like his character's name is Simon James the doppelganger 370 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,440 shows up in heat in the doppelganger's name is James 371 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,160 Simon. And so James Simon is everything 372 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,560 Simon James wants to be. Like he tells what he wants. 373 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,280 He gets all the girls, he gets the promotions. 374 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,760 Like he starts at this, he starts at the same job and 375 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,040 within a few weeks he's like at a senior executive or something 376 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,120 like that. And like he starts kind of like 377 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:26,320 pushing Simon James around to like the original character. 378 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,320 And I'm not going to ruin it for you, but it's just he's trying 379 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,880 to, I don't know, he's trying to like figure out how to be a 380 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,160 person. I think I've seen this. 381 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,120 It was. It's pretty good. 382 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:42,360 It's like super suspenseful. It's like it's funny. 383 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,600 It's, it's a bit cringy in some parts. 384 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:51,080 It's, you know, there's some, there's some blood here and 385 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,360 there. OK, now I'm interested. 386 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:01,000 OK, Jordan, So what do you have to put our listeners on to for 387 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,720 this week? So I was thinking about it and 388 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,840 like, I don't, I don't think I have to put anybody on to 389 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,240 Resident Evil 9. I just started playing it like 390 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,640 I'm a little bit late. I feel like people probably know 391 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,440 about that. So instead I'm going to go with 392 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,600 a book that I read not that long ago. 393 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,280 I don't know if you guys have heard of this one. 394 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,280 It's called Burned Down Masters House by Clay Kane. 395 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,800 It just came out, I want to say like a month or two ago. 396 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,800 And it it it does what it proposes to do if you're curious 397 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,400 about that. But it, it is a historical 398 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:45,440 fiction novel that like takes real life stories of slaves and 399 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:50,160 their accounts and reimagines them in a way that like gives 400 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,320 them more agency. But also is like, you know, I 401 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,920 think when you, when you think about narratives of that time, 402 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,640 right? Like for a lot of people, I 403 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,960 understand a little bit of like the desire to get away from that 404 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,840 just because it can be, you know, very traumatic and like, 405 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,680 you know, reading about and thinking about what it was in 406 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,640 those times. But I think, you know, for, for 407 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,280 me, for somebody who's very interested in, in history and 408 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,000 just imagining, you know, black futures, like thinking about a 409 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,600 time where, you know, you, you, you didn't have that freedom and 410 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,680 autonomy. But like, you know, we still 411 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,200 made culture, we still made community, we still made family. 412 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,240 We still had all of this stuff. Like you couldn't, you couldn't 413 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,160 take that away from us. And I think a big part of this 414 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,920 book is there's, you know, a continual refrain about like, 415 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,200 you know, as they, they passed down, you know, knowledge to 416 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,280 each other or, you know, skills or even just again, like 417 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,520 community to each other. That's kind of the thing that 418 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,280 they always keep saying. It's like, you know, they, they 419 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,120 can't take that away from you. Like once you have, you know, 420 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,600 the knowledge, once you have, you know, once you, once you 421 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,280 learn how to read, once you learn how to, you know, think 422 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,840 and plan like all of the stuff that it can't be taken away from 423 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,880 you. And so, you know, it's a little 424 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,480 like, it's a little Django, you know, OK, Like it's not, it's 425 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,520 not necessarily like in that same vein of I mean, it does 426 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,560 get, it does get pretty violent, you know, throughout. 427 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,640 But yeah, I think it is, it's a, it's an interesting way that it 428 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,520 kind of, you know, brings in a lot of different stories and 429 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,000 narratives that, you know, maybe people didn't know before. 430 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,440 Like there's some, there's a queer romance that kind of goes 431 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,800 in and out of the story. There's, you know, a lot of 432 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,520 different, like female perspectives. 433 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,680 There's a lot of different, you know, perspectives from people 434 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,760 who I think maybe don't always necessarily get included in 435 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,720 these stories. And so, you know, by the end of 436 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:48,200 it, like it's, it can be a tough read in places, but I think by 437 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,560 the end of it, you are like, that's the book that I was 438 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,920 hoping it was. So, you know, I would, I would 439 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:59,320 recommend it to people. You know, you can get it, 440 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,360 however you get it. I'm sure there's audiobook 441 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,360 ebook. You know, I got my copy from my 442 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:08,040 local library. So like, you know, hit up your 443 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,400 libraries and, and all that. But yeah, burn down Masters 444 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,320 House by Clay Kane I would say would be my my thing to put 445 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,680 people onto. OK. 446 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,640 OK. That sounds like a very 447 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,760 interesting book. And you read a lot of books, 448 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,080 Jordan, when you even find the time to even read all these 449 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,640 books. I think that's part of, you 450 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,440 know, going back to, to my attempts to kind of quiet out 451 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,840 the noise of everything going on around us. 452 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,880 Like, you know, when I sometimes when I feel myself like reaching 453 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,760 from my phone or like, you know, wanted to like jump on YouTube 454 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,800 or whatever, like I'll stop for a second and then think if 455 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,520 there's a book that I want to read and maybe like start like 456 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,320 getting into that And like, you know, if the book is holding my 457 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,280 attention, then, you know, that's a good sign. 458 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,400 But if it's like, all right, let me, let me do a little 459 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,800 something. And then even if I can't, you 460 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,000 know, if I don't finish it over, I don't get too far. 461 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,480 Like at least I, I started it. So for people who maybe are kind 462 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,560 of like lapsed readers or never really into reading, I would 463 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,840 definitely suggest a like, there's, there's all kinds of 464 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,000 books out there, you know what I mean? 465 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,680 I think maybe sometimes people think about, oh, you know, like 466 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,240 I'm really into, you know, this specific genre or like, you 467 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,520 know, I really don't like, you know, like fantasy books or this 468 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,400 kind of book, you know what I mean? 469 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,840 But like, I, I try to read around as much as possible. 470 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,560 So I mean, there's all the genres, you know, from horror to 471 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,320 fantasy to, you know, accident adventure, but then, you know, 472 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,400 there's, you know, people's books of essays, there's 473 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,480 people's books of poems, there's historical, not fiction, all 474 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,920 kinds of stuff. So even if you're just like, I'd 475 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,720 like to learn more about something, you know, there's, 476 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,120 there's books that can help with that. 477 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,960 If you're like, I would like to, for me, a lot of it is, is 478 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,640 getting to experience the world through different people's eyes, 479 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,880 you know, and like having the opportunity to to see the world 480 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,240 in a way that I you know, even even when you watch a movie, 481 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,600 right, Like there's certain things that you can pick up and 482 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,040 glean if you're watching like, you know, Korean film or you 483 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,640 know, South American film. But I think even just through 484 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,800 the reading sometimes, like it's really putting you in that 485 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,640 perspective of, you know, another person. 486 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,800 And so for me, it's, it's almost like getting to, to travel 487 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,400 around to all of these different places. 488 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,000 So like Jared was saying, like once you're, once you're into a 489 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,440 book, like once something that's like captured you, it is hard to 490 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,440 put it down. You know what I mean? 491 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,160 Because there's, there's a lot of books that I'll read it, you 492 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,200 know, I'll start, maybe I'll start the day and I'll, I'll 493 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,560 read like a chapter or something. 494 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,400 And then for the rest of the day until I get another chance to 495 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,240 pick it up again, I'm just like, man, I wonder what's going to 496 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,240 happen. Then I'm just like, you know, 497 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,440 I'm thinking about it, you know, And so I think even that, you 498 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,680 know, just just starting off small, if you're like, alright, 499 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,360 you know, I haven't read a, a full book in a long time. 500 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,320 There's plenty of books that are 100 pages or less that are like 501 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,080 well worth your time to read. So even if you just start small 502 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,000 with something and kind of pick up the habit again, it's, it's 503 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,960 something where, you know, I, my goal this year is to read 52 504 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,640 books. But even if you just read 5 505 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,200 books, like I, I think you've done yourself a service, you 506 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,840 know, so like, it doesn't even have to be like a marathon where 507 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,360 like I'm reading, I'm trying, I'm trying to read the whole 508 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,600 library or something crazy like that. 509 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,560 You could just, you know, start with like it's just a couple, 510 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,680 you know, And even if it's not like the thing that you do all 511 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,840 the time, I think it is helpful to, to do it, you know, make it 512 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,000 like a small part of your, your hobbies and habits to just, you 513 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,200 know, maybe you read, you know, a book every two to three 514 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,960 months, you know. That's that's what must be right 515 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,160 there, a book every two to three months. 516 00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:01,440 Now, Jordan, there you do have your own podcast. 517 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:07,120 White people Won't save you. Let me ask you a question. 518 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,760 You haven't published a new episode since March 19th and and 519 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,120 today is April the 26th. Jordan, can I please get a new 520 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,600 episode of Why People Won't Save You? 521 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,200 I need a new episode. Absolutely. 522 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,880 Can. I think, you know, me and me and 523 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,960 Cameron have taken just a, just a short break to kind of retool 524 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,320 some things because I think we're, we've been doing it for 525 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,680 almost 6 years now. And so, you know, like we've 526 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,560 talked about doing a lot of things and then like we always, 527 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,000 you know, kind of put it off because I feel like we're both, 528 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,440 you know, busy and just, and just living. 529 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,040 And so we really wanted to be a little bit more intentional this 530 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,000 year with things. So we, we took a little break so 531 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,480 we could bank a couple episodes. So this week we're going to 532 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,080 start putting stuff out just so we can have, you know, stuff in 533 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,200 the vault and start pointing it out more regularly. 534 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,880 I think we're getting ready to make a bit more of an investment 535 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,960 in terms of like, you know, the production for things and like 536 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,960 trying to level things up that way. 537 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,000 So we want, we want to take a little step back so we could 538 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,920 kind of like reorganize stuff and then, you know, come back 539 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:26,800 with hopefully, I mean, you know, people, people keep like, 540 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,240 you know, like you just did keep hitting this up and like, oh, 541 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,880 you know, we're ready for more episodes and, and all that 542 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,400 stuff, which we we greatly appreciate, but we also want to 543 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,800 make sure that we're we're keeping up, you know, the level 544 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,160 of quality and like maybe even increasing it a bit if possible. 545 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,800 So, you know, we got you and we got I'll, I'll give you the 546 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,120 episode that's coming out this week is the last Boy Scout with 547 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,360 Bruce Willis and David Wayne's. I don't know if you remember 548 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,960 this movie where Bruce Willis is like a down on his luck 549 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:04,240 detective and Wayne's crazy to watch it now is a is a football 550 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:10,520 player who got kicked out of the NFL for gambling and his 551 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,880 girlfriend Halle Berry. I think this might be like Halle 552 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,480 Berry's like second or third, like it's really early in her 553 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:23,800 career is like, you know, involved in some some not great 554 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,200 things. And so like they team up to to 555 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,520 get into it. But the beginning, you may have 556 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:29,920 seen this even if you haven't seen the movie. 557 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,320 The beginning is Billy Blanks, the Taibo. 558 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,040 Billy Blanks is a football player who is like in deep with 559 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:44,000 some, like gambling bookie and like, does PCP in the locker 560 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,080 room, has to go out. It's like a rainstorm. 561 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,440 So it looks like it's filmed like it's a war movie, you know, 562 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,680 And like, it's like it's raining. 563 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,640 It's like a torrential downpour on the field. 564 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,480 And he's like, he gets a call in the locker room that's like, you 565 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,240 need to score a touchdown, you know, or bad things are going to 566 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,040 happen to you. And so he goes out of the field 567 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,320 and they give him the ball and like, he's he's the running 568 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,720 back. So he's coming out the backfield 569 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,560 and like, he jukes a couple of guys. 570 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,040 He runs over a few guys. And then there's one more guy 571 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:17,040 between him and the end zone, and so he pulls out a gun and 572 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,159 shoots. Him on the. 573 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:26,760 Field and then shoots himself. And that's how the movie starts. 574 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,320 OK, OK. On the I know this movie and I 575 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,239 do not remember this scene during. 576 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,800 The game. Yes, I don't think that's the 577 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,679 play that coach called. I think he, I think that was an 578 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:49,360 audible. Yeah, white people will say to 579 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,880 you, it's possibly the hardest podcast that you have to do. 580 00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:57,280 Because I remember for this podcast, DeMarcus maybe watched 581 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,360 The Hobbit, and I absolutely hated it because of how those 582 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,640 Caucasian people would just break into people's houses for 583 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,520 the the whole entire movie. And that was the byline of the 584 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,960 movie. We break into people's houses 585 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:13,880 for these three. Movies. 586 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,920 And. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna add a 587 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,960 correction here. It wasn't DeMarcus that said 588 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,360 watch these movies. That was our other Co host. 589 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,320 We used to have Laurente. That was his episode. 590 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,640 He asked you to watch those movies. 591 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,200 He didn't make you. You're growing. 592 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:34,240 I am blaming you and and you do this. 593 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:39,360 You watch movies that are questionable for that your whole 594 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:45,240 podcast, like when I was so blessed to be on and I watched 595 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,600 what was my movie about the about Stonewall? 596 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:53,280 Was it called? It was called Stonewall. 597 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,520 It was just called Stonewall, yeah. 598 00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:02,040 Yeah, that two musical directors wrote, wrote like a musical, but 599 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,600 without the music, and it was so crazy and. 600 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,280 It was by Roland Emberg who did Independence Day. 601 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,160 Yeah, it. Was crazy. 602 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,680 It, it was insane. The movie was insane and I we 603 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,960 had a lot to say. I think this podcast was like 604 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,360 over 2 hours long about how dumb it was. 605 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,960 I could not imagine doing that again about a different movie 606 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,360 because talking to y'all about it was fun and it was hilarious. 607 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,360 But watching the movie, taking notes on it, remembering stuff 608 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:44,560 about it, that was so tedious. That was so Oh my, I, I, I, I 609 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,600 was killing myself. I wanted to take breaks, but I 610 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,840 do if I took a break, I would not feel happy. 611 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,800 So I was so happy when Tubi would play their commercials 612 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,280 because I wouldn't have to see the movie for 190 seconds. 613 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,720 So I, I, I have to give it up to you for your podcast. 614 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,360 Like we talk about we cover here, we talk about anything, 615 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,840 but y'all do the research and y'all go through the smog. 616 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:15,400 All y'all's podcast that is just so admirable, so admirable. 617 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,560 DeMarcus, you have to. DeMarcus has to do it. 618 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,840 Because I mean, you're more than welcome to come on. 619 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:29,480 We we got so many movies. OK, yeah, 'cause he he, it's 620 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,680 hard for him to watch a movie that he does not like now. 621 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,760 Well, yeah. No, I can watch a movie once I 622 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,360 start a movie, like more than likely I'm a finish it 'cause I 623 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,720 got to see, I got to see what happens. 624 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,240 OK, I would love to see you watch a movie. 625 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,760 Well, I didn't, I I didn't know. I wouldn't like it as much, but 626 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,400 I didn't like it. So maybe I don't know. 627 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,000 Yeah. DeMarcus, is there an activity 628 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,640 for the week? There's absolutely an activity 629 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,480 this week and if it is your first time tuning into Black 630 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,840 Geek Energy, the way these activities and games work is 631 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,800 DeMarcus comes up with games and activities. 632 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,600 He is the judge, agree and execution of all things 633 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,000 activities and games on Black Geek Energy comes up with the 634 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,200 questions, the answers. He decides who's right, who's 635 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,640 wrong, what's right, what's wrong and who wins and who 636 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,640 loses. So today's game, I wish I had a 637 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,560 better name for, we can call it factor fiction. 638 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,840 And what I'm going to do is I'm going to read you a little 639 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,280 snippet of a black historical figure from the diaspora. 640 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,080 So this could be someone in Africa, someone in America, 641 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,520 somewhere else in the in the world. 642 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,480 And you have to tell me whether this was a real person who did a 643 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,680 real thing or a fake person and they did not do this thing. 644 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,400 OK. Does it does it make sense? 645 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:00,680 Makes sense, Jerry. Yeah. 646 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:01,560 All right. Cool, Cool, cool, cool. 647 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,200 All right. So I'm thinking of a number 648 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,280 between 5 and 15. Five. 649 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,120 And what happens to what I'm? Trying to mix it up a little 650 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,960 bit. Lord OK 7. 651 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,200 OK. 12. The number was 14. 652 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,520 Jordan, you're going. OK All right. 653 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,480 And some of these names, I might screw them up, so please forgive 654 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:26,640 me. Please be grateful. 655 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,840 Euphemia Lofton Hayes became the first Black woman to earn a PhD 656 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,720 in mathematics from an American University in 1949 and spent her 657 00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,680 career training generations of mathematicians at Howard 658 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,800 University. Is this a real person or just a 659 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:56,120 fake person? Like part of me wants to say not 660 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:03,880 even that somebody got a degree before that, but also Black 661 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,200 history is full of those surprises where you're like, oh, 662 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,200 it wasn't until. OK, yeah. 663 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,640 So I mean, some of the sounds familiar. 664 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:20,080 I'm going to say it's fact, OK? Correct. 665 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,040 This is a real person. Euphemia Lofton Hayes was a 666 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,880 trailblazer in STEM who broke barriers for decades before the 667 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,240 phrase representation matters was coined. 668 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,040 All right, Jared, next one is for you, Sir. 669 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:38,920 I'm. I got it. 670 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,880 This is the name. Hold on. 671 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,360 I'm on Arenas was a warrior queen from the ancient Kingdom 672 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,080 of Cush who led her armies into battle against Roman forces 673 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,440 around 25 BCE, negotiating a peace treaty so favorable that 674 00:40:54,440 --> 00:41:06,800 historians still study it today. I am going to say fiction. 675 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,520 Fiction. OK, Oh, it is real. 676 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,040 Oh. Amana Rinas was was the Queen of 677 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,040 Christian, one of the most remarkable military leaders of 678 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,520 the ancient world. And she is real, very real. 679 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,960 And she negotiate a peace treaty with the romance. 680 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,160 That's what she did. Somebody needs to get her on the 681 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,880 phone. OK. 682 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,680 Evans ain't doing it. All right, Jordan, we're back to 683 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:42,200 you question #3 Kofi Asante, known as the architect of 684 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,840 tomorrow was a Bronze Age comics engineer who invented solar 685 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:52,000 pilot, who invented a solar powered city grid for a 686 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,800 fictional African nation and is cited by real engineers as an 687 00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:02,320 inspiration. So this is. 688 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,360 Yeah. This one's a bit better. 689 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,160 Is this a character from a real comic book or is this all made? 690 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,920 What? What was the date again? 691 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,200 There's no date, no date. There's no date, you said. 692 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,680 You said Bronze Age. Bronze Age of Comics, yes. 693 00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:27,730 'Cause I'm just trying to, I'm trying to think of like, you 694 00:42:27,730 --> 00:42:33,330 know, like, like Sun man and like, you know, someone like 695 00:42:33,330 --> 00:42:37,450 this super early original black. Yeah, I mean, he couldn't. 696 00:42:37,450 --> 00:42:38,610 He could have not been a superhero. 697 00:42:38,610 --> 00:42:40,970 He could have been like, yeah, right. 698 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,760 Let's let's say because because it sounds like it's a cool idea. 699 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,000 I'm going to say fact just because I want it to be a true 700 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,400 thing all. Right, you want it to be a true 701 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,520 thing. So we're going to go real. 702 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,640 And the answer is no, he was. That's just fictional. 703 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,800 It sounds real. I hope you Sante, but also I 704 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,000 don't haven't read a lot of Bronze Age comics. 705 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,360 All good. But, you know, I feel like the 706 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,560 inspiring real engineers made it feel like it was a real thing. 707 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:18,120 All right, Jared, back to you. Matthew Henson was born to a 708 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,920 freeborn, was born to freeborn sharecropper parents. 709 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,640 One year after emancipation, he became the first Black person to 710 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,560 reach the North Pole as a part of the 19 O 9 expedition with 711 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,280 Robert Peary, though Peary received most of the credit for 712 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,520 decades. Is Matthew Henson real or fake? 713 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,040 I feel like it's like a Lois and Clark thing. 714 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:48,480 First was to reach the North Pole. 715 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,280 First black person to reach the North Pole as part of the 19 O 9 716 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,400 expedition, but he was not credited is what they're saying. 717 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,080 Well, Perry received most of the credit for decades. 718 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,200 Fiction. Fiction. 719 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,360 And the answer is real. I've heard of Matthew Henson 720 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,640 because the, like, I think the story goes like period and his 721 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,800 crew, like these, these these white folks were like dying, 722 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,400 like they were getting frostbite and Period and Matthew Henson 723 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,200 basically had to like, drag them the rest of the way of the up 724 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,960 the mountain. Yeah. 725 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,600 But didn't get no credit. I'll be. 726 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:40,600 I'll let them on the side. All right, Jordan, back to you 727 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,680 question #5 Zara Osay is a 22nd century activist who preserves 728 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,960 the oral histories of the African diaspora using quantum 729 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,000 memory technology, a central figure in a celebrated 730 00:44:52,480 --> 00:45:00,160 Afrofuturist novel. Yeah, I don't know why you're 731 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,920 getting these ones. Yeah, no. 732 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,400 Well, thinking about it, there's certain parts of this that sound 733 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,160 familiar and I don't know if I'm just confusing them with other 734 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,960 people or but again, I'm going to go fact because it sounds 735 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,640 dope and I want it to be real. Right. 736 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:24,400 And it is fictional. No, this is all all made of. 737 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,960 I don't know that there's any Afro features novel with Azara 738 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,960 Osei, but you know, now they could be. 739 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:40,200 Yeah. So all right, back to you. 740 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,120 Thelonious Monk was a jazz pianist and composer who helped 741 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,600 create bebop alongside Charlie Parker in the 1940s, and is 742 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,240 widely considered one of the most harmonically advanced 743 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:56,480 musicians of the 20th century, real or fake. 744 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:03,200 Real. And that is correct. 745 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,000 Thelonious Monk's a real person. He's a very famous jazz 746 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,560 musician. Jerry, if you didn't get this 747 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,840 one, very disappointed. Yeah, I've I've heard that name 748 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,640 before, like. Yeah, Melvin A. 749 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,040 Name I. Familiar. 750 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:20,640 I was going to say Melvin's. Melvin's mostly based on 751 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,600 Thelonious Monk. So I'm glad that that was 752 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,720 included in there. Thanks all right, number 7. 753 00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:31,000 And we got to another fictional character Jordan to OK OK with a 754 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:36,080 game. General Adeze Nosu is a 755 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,960 fictional black woman general in a near future sci-fi setting who 756 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:46,400 unified 3 warring factions using ancestral diplomacy loosely 757 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,720 based on real African conflict resolution traditions. 758 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,120 See, now I'm messed up because the last two people were 759 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,600 fictional and it was fiction. And now I feel like I'm in a 760 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,280 trap where if I say fiction, it's going to be the one that's 761 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:07,600 not fiction, she's saying. So I'm going to, I'm going to 762 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,440 stick with what I've been doing. I'm going to, I'm going to 763 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,640 triple down. OK, OK, How will you feel if 764 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,000 this one is also fictional after you say it real? 765 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,920 I mean, it's all good, but I, you know, I just, I'm trying to 766 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,640 bet, I'm trying to play the odds and see like one of these, one 767 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,120 of these got to be real. Yeah, this one is also 768 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,960 fictional. Damn, three in a row. 769 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,760 Good. Next, DeMarcus. 770 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,560 Ancestral diplomacy is real, and it's rooted in traditions like 771 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,560 Ubuntu philosophy, but the character is. 772 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,640 OK, I'm have to make some of these people real. 773 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:47,480 Just. The. 774 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,440 The retroactive Vindicator. We got a Rick on this episode. 775 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,960 Yeah. All right. 776 00:47:53,960 --> 00:48:00,560 Jared Thurgood Marshall argued 32 cases before the Supreme 777 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,760 Court, and 129 of them more than any private attorney in U.S. 778 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,640 history at the time, before becoming the first Black justice 779 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:14,600 on that same court. I don't know if any of those 780 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:20,440 facts are real, but I know Thurgood Marshall is real. 781 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,120 Isn't he the one that went to? Howard, I think. 782 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,360 So. Yeah, so, so he's he's the bad 783 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,320 one if he's the one. That went to. 784 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,480 Howard the bad one of of which group? 785 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,600 What do you? Who is? 786 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,880 Who is the good one if he's the? He's saying that he didn't go to 787 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,880 the real Hu. Yeah, he he did not go to the 788 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:55,000 real Hu, but he is still on the Black History Month posters. 789 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,880 He's not like the black guy on the Supreme Court now. 790 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:06,960 But I I want to say that facts. All right. 791 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:08,920 And that is correct. They're good. 792 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,480 Muscle was a real person. And he did argue 32 cases in 793 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,360 front of Supreme Court. I feel like I knew that. 794 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,280 Like the 32 cases part, I didn't know who won. 795 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,120 I don't know. That's pretty impressive. 796 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,680 I I did not know that who's you do your Black History Month 797 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:30,880 report on? I used to always do. 798 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,000 Like, I just stick to the bacon, the basics. 799 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:40,280 MLK Malcolm X Yeah. I did George Washington Carver 800 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,320 in elementary. Washington Carver, you know, 801 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,440 and. In middle school, I did. 802 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:51,080 RuPaul, Charles. OK, OK, That is a, that's a 803 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,520 good, that's a deep cut. That's a good one. 804 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,200 Like looking back, I wish I had chosen more people, more black 805 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,720 people that people, folks didn't know. 806 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,000 Right. Yeah. 807 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,440 What about you, Jordan? Who did you do your Black 808 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,920 History Month before now? I think just like DeMarcus I, I 809 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:13,440 remember doing like a Rosa Parks and I think I also did Thurgood 810 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,600 Marshall for one of them. OK, I. 811 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,160 Think and yeah, we cuz cuz in Maryland, you know, Benjamin 812 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,280 Banneker is also like cuz he's from Baltimore. 813 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,640 So I'm pretty sure I did the Benjamin Banneker thing as well. 814 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,400 Yeah, yeah. See, and now I just, I, I hope 815 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,840 kids now are doing folks that we've never heard of. 816 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,040 Yeah, they're doing like streamers speed, really. 817 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,120 Yeah, I. Guess yeah, that counts. 818 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,160 That that's what they're doing now, TI. 819 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,720 Yeah, that's, that's a good one, No. 820 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,760 No. You if you go to school in 821 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,120 Atlanta, that's a great one to do. 822 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:58,320 No, not with his convictions. I mean, yo, everyone has a 823 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,680 story. All right, let's get to these 824 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,280 last two questions. He don't want to talk about the 825 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,360 conventions. The conventions. 826 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:12,200 Jordan Adwar, known as the Memory Keeper, is a fictional 827 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,520 elder in an effort Future Story maintained a living archive with 828 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,560 every black person erased from here in history. 829 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,000 Her mind holds 2000 years of forgotten names. 830 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,040 Wow. I'm going to quadruple down 831 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:31,080 'cause I gotta, I can't, it can't be four in a row. 832 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:35,640 Can you pay for this? Even if it is, I'm getting a lot 833 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,440 of inspiration, so. Yeah, yeah. 834 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,280 But this like this is a common archetype though, like the 835 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:45,920 memory keeper and it's usually is a black person or blackish. 836 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,880 Oh man. Is this like, I mean, are we 837 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,120 speaking in terms of like magical Negro sense of like, you 838 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,400 know, the the one who keeps the knowledge and. 839 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,360 If you're referencing the movie The The Society of Magical 840 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,960 Negroes. Please don't let's forget that 841 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,640 just so. Much and I was so excited for 842 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,840 it. Yeah, the funniest episode that 843 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,040 you've done by. God, that. 844 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,560 Yeah, I, I like to not look back on that. 845 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,040 Yeah, I hope everybody has moved past that. 846 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,720 Because it was such a good teaser and did the trailer and 847 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,200 did the very two weeks later, they dropped their whole 848 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,240 trailer. We were like, what is this? 849 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,760 What is? This like you got to be kidding 850 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,720 me, I don't think. Yeah, I don't want to go on a 851 00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:41,960 whole rant about it, but this? Last question and then we can. 852 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:48,760 Yeah. Jared John Owusu Ado was a 853 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,280 Ghanaian architect who Co founded the Ghana Institute of 854 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,680 Architects in 1959, designed landmark buildings such as NEST, 855 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,160 including the Community Care Center and Unity Hall, and 856 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,320 became the university's first Ghanaian Head of Architecture 857 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,760 department. What? 858 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,720 What school was it again? He went to the Ghana Institute 859 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:19,840 of Architects in 1959. Facts. 860 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,480 And that is correct. John Alusuado is a real person, 861 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:31,320 the pioneer of tropical modernism, a place based climate 862 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,600 conscious style of he developed to give Ghanaian architecture 863 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,480 its own identity after independence. 864 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,840 Cool. Yeah, see, I hope, I hope folks 865 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,000 are doing their Black History Month projects on people like 866 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,520 this, because I had no idea who this guy is. 867 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:52,040 They do a mega the stallion child but. 868 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:59,040 But yeah, the winner of this game, Jared, and you know, I 869 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,960 feel like this was unfair. We won't. 870 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,920 We won't. We need to do better. 871 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,360 I did not expect I use Claude instead of ChatGPT to help build 872 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,160 this game and he and there are a lot of like links to like where 873 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,960 the information comes from. And it did. 874 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,080 I think it did a good job of these. 875 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,840 They were the ones that were meant to trick you. 876 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,440 You are more, you are more loyal and faithful than I was. 877 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,880 Because after that second one wasn't real, I've been like, all 878 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,320 of these are fake. I mean, you know, as a former 879 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:38,200 president once said, fool me twice, can't fool me again. 880 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,280 OK all. Right, Jordan, we were talking 881 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,920 about the movie This Society of Magical. 882 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,880 No how? Horrible it was. 883 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,520 Yeah. And now I would like to open up 884 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,640 the floor for you to go on your little rant. 885 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,280 I think the thing that still kills me about that movie is the 886 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:10,240 like full like just whole misunderstanding of what a 887 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:14,320 magical Negro is. Like it was so bizarre to title 888 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:22,280 the movie that and then to not have any like any real combative 889 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,800 back and forth. I mean, like the idea that black 890 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:30,720 people need to make white people feel good for the for things not 891 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:35,960 to be bad or like to like even it was like, like the like, 892 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,960 because David Alan Grier, I think is pissed off most about 893 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,760 this movie. It's like, you know, he's he's 894 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,320 like he's telling Justice Smith over and over again. 895 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,360 Hey, this is for like the betterment of the world. 896 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,360 Like you need to do this. And it's just like, show me the 897 00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,480 evidence. Like, OK, you're saying this 898 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,680 like you're saying that you've been magical coons for however 899 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,240 long you've been doing this for. And like, show me because we're 900 00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:02,400 still doing this. So like, have you made the world 901 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,240 a better place? Because like I'm looking around 902 00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:08,120 and I would have some questions about like how how effective 903 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:13,240 this strategy has been. But then it's also, I mean, it's 904 00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:15,440 weird because like if you look at it on its surface, the 905 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:21,440 Society of magical Negroes are the villains of the movie. 906 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,200 Like, they're not. They're they, they are harboring 907 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,800 and harnessing these quote, UN quote magical abilities and 908 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,240 using them for themselves and not sharing them with other 909 00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:34,120 Black people or using them to make other Black people's lives 910 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,400 better. And yet we're looking at it as 911 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:42,680 like a desirable way to be. And then at the very end, when 912 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,600 Justice Smith shows David Alan Grier that like, this whole 913 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,960 thing is bullshit, David Alan Grier is like, yeah, so I'm 914 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,000 going to go back inside and keep doing that now. 915 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,360 And it's like, what are? You What are we doing? 916 00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:00,600 That's crazy and then like the end and end reveal it's just 917 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,920 like why did they give you money to do this dog like what the 918 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,440 hell is going on man like this is crazy so but. 919 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,280 It it definitely feels like one of those movies that's like, oh, 920 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,480 it will definitely get made because it I feel like it this 921 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,160 one almost like pandas to white people. 922 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,080 Yeah. And then you, you mentioned like 923 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,120 the magic, like why isn't he doing this, sharing it with 924 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,280 other black people? And like, why are they using it 925 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:25,800 for themselves? They couldn't like part of the 926 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:26,960 part of that power. Right. 927 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,680 Yeah, right. In the beginning, like he like 928 00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,160 tried to do something for himself with the power. 929 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:31,120 And it's like, you can't do that. 930 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,320 It's like, this is to make white people comfortable, not you. 931 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,600 I'm like, I'm so frustrated because I expected like, because 932 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,120 I think I had heard it was like, what if there's like a black 933 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,800 Harry Potter and it's like that kind of movie? 934 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,280 And I was like, oh, that's sort of fighting. 935 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,360 You know, he's going to learn to learn magic and be slinging 936 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,080 spells. I was like, oh this is bullshit. 937 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,400 And it's going to be black. Yeah. 938 00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:52,800 Yeah. That's that's what I wanted. 939 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,120 And it wasn't this. But the worst part of this was 940 00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:03,640 David Alan Grier was in this movie being the worst Coon ever. 941 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:10,640 And it wasn't even funny. Like how Samuel L Jackson was a 942 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,360 Coon. It wasn't Samuel Jackson in. 943 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:18,040 Oh yeah, Django. Yeah, it wasn't funny. 944 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:23,200 And it was like you're David Alan Grier from Living Single 945 00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:29,160 and Tales from the Hood and so many other David Alan Grier 946 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,520 stuff. The legend himself. 947 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,520 Why are you in this movie, child? 948 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,360 Yeah, thankful that y'all did it. 949 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,880 I could not do it again. Y'all's patience on that podcast 950 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,160 is. God's here. 951 00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,320 I could make it 30 minutes into the movie before I had to turn 952 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,440 it off. Because I mean, you, you did the 953 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,560 right thing. You know, it's just again, 954 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:59,040 fascinating how like look at because I think that the same 955 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:03,160 year I want to say the blackening came out and it's a 956 00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,840 make that movie. That's that's what we like. 957 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,840 That's what we want to see. That's a movie that is, you 958 00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,480 know, whether you had, you know, some issues with it or whether 959 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,320 you loved it, whatever it is, like it's a movie that is 960 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,880 engaging with the premise full stop. 961 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,440 You know, like they the the trailer is the movie. 962 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,280 You know, like you, you didn't walk into it and you were like, 963 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,680 oh, this is something completely different. 964 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,200 Like this isn't what I thought I was going to go see, but also 965 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,760 they did it in a way where it like it was funny, which which 966 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:40,440 helps I think at the screen of the Society of of Magical 967 00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,640 Negroes, maybe like 3 people laughed the whole film, you 968 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,680 know, which is like, you know what Jared is saying. 969 00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,600 This is David Alan Grier. David Unger is somebody that 970 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,520 like, even if he's not trying to be funny, it is funny. 971 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,880 You know, like he should make you laugh, even just the way 972 00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,240 that he says a line or like a face that he makes or nothing. 973 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,000 The whole movie, everybody was just like not having it. 974 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,720 And then when I saw the blackening, it was like black 975 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:10,000 people are having a great time all enjoying the film. 976 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,960 And so like, it's a very different mode. 977 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,520 But like you said, DeMarcus, like they I'm sure somebody saw 978 01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,160 that script wherever that got produced and they were like, we 979 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,600 got we got our one, here's our one for the year. 980 01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,960 We can cross that off the list and. 981 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,360 Yes, and then a black guy wrote and directed this tragedy. 982 01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,320 Yeah, that was a that was not a good press tour for him, not at 983 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,240 all. Right. 984 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:42,440 OK ancestral recall. Wow Jordan bravo. 985 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:50,240 This book was amazing. This book was I I I, I think 986 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,640 that this book says a lot about you and your love of history. 987 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:59,640 Your love of black people. One thing I want to know is how 988 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:04,600 did you pick who to put in the book? 989 01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:12,160 Because the premise of this book is this guy gets powers from 990 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,680 historical figures. So did you pick the historical 991 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,360 figures first or did you pick the situation 1st and find 992 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:19,800 historian figures? How did that happen? 993 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:26,680 So a lot of the, the choice of who was going to be on the book, 994 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:30,880 I think the factors that I went with were one, you know, 995 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,800 obviously I wanted to choose people who are not, you know, 996 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,080 top of mind, not like the first Google search. 997 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,280 You know, I wanted to go deeper and to have people that you, you 998 01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,600 haven't heard of before or maybe like you've you've heard of 999 01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,440 them, but you don't really know much about them. 1000 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,400 And so picking people like Jean Louis Michel, who was the 1001 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,680 greatest sword fighter of the 19th century, picking people 1002 01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,960 like Bill Pickett, who was like the first black rodeo star. 1003 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,640 You know, names that you, you're not going to find in, you know, 1004 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,280 your your history books, you know, your textbooks at school, 1005 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,840 but that are still important. And I think people should know 1006 01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,320 and, you know, should be celebrated in that way. 1007 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,920 The second thing was because of how Melvin's powers work, you 1008 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:18,480 know, it's kind of like they're like situationally based, right? 1009 01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,760 Like something's happening, he needs to do something in the 1010 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,240 moment. So he's kind of reaching back to 1011 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,720 the perfect person who can help him out in that situation. 1012 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,120 And so it was slightly situationally based in terms of 1013 01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,920 like, all right, so, you know, this is this is the plot of this 1014 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,280 particular, you know, chapter. What is he going to do? 1015 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,960 OK, so who's somebody that could help him, you know, break into, 1016 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,800 you know, this building? Marie Van Burton Brown, the 1017 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,880 inventor of like the the first home security system or, you 1018 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,720 know, he doesn't really know how to ride a bike. 1019 01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,080 Who can help him do that? Oh, Kitty Knox, like one of the 1020 01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,040 first black women cyclists. Like finding these people who 1021 01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,760 can he can he can use the abilities from, but, you know, 1022 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,720 still treating them with respect and and giving them, you know, 1023 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,000 space to shine and not just having them be like, you know, 1024 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,360 oh, OK, thanks for that. Bye. 1025 01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:09,200 Now. I'm going to go. 1026 01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,320 Yeah, but like, all right, you know, having having that moment 1027 01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,280 with them. But then also, I think the the 1028 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,040 most difficult part is I wanted to put so many people in the 1029 01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,840 book, but like trying to keep that pacing of, you know, we 1030 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,960 kept it. We kept it to two people a 1031 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:29,440 chapter because it was like if we did 5 or 6 seven, you know 1032 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,920 what I mean? Like we didn't want to, we 1033 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,640 didn't want to step on anybody where it's just like, oh, you 1034 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,080 know, and and, and right on the heels of that, here's somebody 1035 01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,360 else, you know, instead of like that moment gets to breathe. 1036 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,280 You know, he's he's met that person. 1037 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,400 We kind of have that information now. 1038 01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,520 And, you know, we'll we'll meet somebody new, you know, maybe 1039 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,040 near the end of the book or, you know, the different part. 1040 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,200 But yeah, I just didn't want to overload it because, again, I 1041 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,480 feel like there's so there's so many incredible stories 1042 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,440 throughout black history. So I really wanted to spotlight 1043 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,840 as many people as possible. But then even, you know, cut 1044 01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,880 slight spoilers, I guess, you know, at the end, we do get like 1045 01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:12,040 one of my favorite pages, like the big splash page with all of 1046 01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,400 the the the different historical figures on it. 1047 01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,280 And that was our way of kind of like, all right, who else can we 1048 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,800 kind of sneak in the last minute just to have that? 1049 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:21,920 So. Yeah. 1050 01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,920 Yeah, that's that's actually one of my favorite parts about this 1051 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,880 book. Like each time he activates his 1052 01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,480 power, it's like, who's going to be next? 1053 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,760 It's going to be something I someone who I haven't heard of 1054 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,800 or I'm like less familiar with. Did you know all these folks 1055 01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,280 already? Like, were you already familiar 1056 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:39,920 with all the people in the in the comic? 1057 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,920 There's like 1. Like I knew Bill Pickett 1058 01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:49,400 beforehand. I had like a passing knowledge 1059 01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:57,440 of of Sam Marlowe, like I'd heard the name and I want to say 1060 01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:03,360 similar to Ronald Duncan, who was the first, the first 1061 01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,120 American ninja, not even the first black ninja, but just the 1062 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:11,400 first ninja in general. Like again, somebody that I kind 1063 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,680 of like had come across, but I didn't really know much about 1064 01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,120 them. But everybody else was, it was 1065 01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,840 new to me, which was great, you know, just in doing the research 1066 01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:23,120 because I think I hopefully came across on the page, but I had as 1067 01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,360 much fun just kind of like discovering these people and 1068 01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:30,880 discovering their stories. And at the end, if you, if you 1069 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:35,040 pick up the trade paperback, you know, I was very grateful that 1070 01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,160 we're able to include little mini biographies for everybody. 1071 01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,560 So if you, if you read it and then you're like, oh man, I'd 1072 01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,960 like to know more about, you know, this particular person, 1073 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,040 you could just flip to the back. And then, you know, we have, you 1074 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:49,440 know, quick biographies about them. 1075 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,880 Definitely like continue to look them up and, and find out more 1076 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,720 about them. But we, we definitely want to 1077 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,360 include more information about everybody just because I think, 1078 01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:02,440 you know, a, a, a page or two, you know, is not enough to tell 1079 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,040 the full story. But at the same time, I think 1080 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,360 that having even just that introduction to them could go a 1081 01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,800 long way to to get people's curiosity up. 1082 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,640 Nice. Yeah, absolutely. 1083 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:20,760 A different question I had. So I'm reading through and I and 1084 01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:27,040 Melvin is like it's like two sides to him from from that I'm 1085 01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:28,680 seeing what I'm reading. Like when he's when he's 1086 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,400 estimating his powers, he's like confident. 1087 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,840 He's like forceful, all this kind of stuff. 1088 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,080 But you know, non powered. He's he's got like this like 1089 01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,120 general anxiety. He's like he's a bit of a grumpy 1090 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:39,480 old man. So he has these parts where it's 1091 01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,360 just like scribbles. Yeah. 1092 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,440 Whenever he's getting frustrated and then there's like a 1093 01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,520 translation of the scribble somewhere else on the page, like 1094 01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,800 a footnote. Is that like, where? 1095 01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,880 Where is that part coming from? Just because I enjoy a good 1096 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,880 grumpy old man trope? Yeah, that who you are. 1097 01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,520 Well, so I think like I mentioned earlier, he's he's 1098 01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:05,160 heavily based on Thelonious Monk and his his wife June is heavily 1099 01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,880 based on Nelly Monk, Thelonious's wife. 1100 01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,520 And so Thelonious Monk, if you if you don't know him and you 1101 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:19,080 haven't seen any like video of him famously like hated being 1102 01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,160 interviewed, hated having, you know, conversations with people 1103 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:26,880 like would go more or less non verbal at times when people were 1104 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,000 talking to him just because he like that's not what he was 1105 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,920 about, You know, like he was he was often in his own inner 1106 01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,360 creative world, thinking about music or you know, other things. 1107 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,480 And like, you know, people who like knew him, knew him, you 1108 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,440 know, could get some stuff out of him. 1109 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,240 But even his wife, you know, at times would be like she could 1110 01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,480 sense all right, you know, he's going into that space. 1111 01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:51,120 So like the, you know, time, time for conversation is over, 1112 01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,120 right. And so petty, petty. 1113 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:59,640 But I think that was a big part of his of what I wanted to do 1114 01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:04,480 with Melvin was kind of bring that in because, you know, what 1115 01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,600 I find really fascinating about him is he's he's not your 1116 01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,840 typical hero. You know, he's not like he 1117 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,280 doesn't want to go on an adventure. 1118 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,320 He doesn't want to have all of this stuff happen to him. 1119 01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:20,439 But you know, his love for his wife is like the central part of 1120 01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,160 his being. You know, I mean, like he he 1121 01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,279 loves her more than anything. And it's not even necessarily a 1122 01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:28,000 situation where it's like he's dependent on her. 1123 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,439 Like in some ways he is, but but he also hasn't been able to 1124 01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,960 really make that kind of connection with any other 1125 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,399 person, you know what I mean? So it's like she's the, the one 1126 01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:42,560 that, that kind of keeps him, you know, levelled out, right? 1127 01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,359 And so when she's not there, he's kind of like, you know, 1128 01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:49,359 he's, he's trying to have conversations with people when 1129 01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:51,720 he's going to the pharmacy in the, in the 1st chapter, it's 1130 01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,880 just kind of like every, everything is, is coming at him 1131 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,600 too quick. He's got to, you know, enter the 1132 01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,560 information. He's got to remember the, you 1133 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,240 know, prescription name and like all of this other stuff. 1134 01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,520 And it's like overwhelming, right? 1135 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,960 And so I thought it would be very interesting just to have 1136 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:12,200 somebody who is has has to act, has to do all these things, has 1137 01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:16,279 to and even part of it too with Mirror and his neighbor, right? 1138 01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:19,800 Like she kind of assumes the junior role in in certain 1139 01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,960 respects just because like Melvin on his own, not going to 1140 01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,240 not going to do it. He might not get him to leave 1141 01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,319 the house. So like, he still needs that 1142 01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:32,720 push, but you kind of see as the story continues on, like you 1143 01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,479 said, like his confidence building, but also that 1144 01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,000 connection that he's having with, you know, these ancestral 1145 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,359 figures and even the community that he's building, you know, 1146 01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:45,720 with Mirren and other people, like starts to give him, you 1147 01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,479 know, that that confidence to go out and do what he needs to do. 1148 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,680 So yeah, like I thought it was, you know, having that journey 1149 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,680 from like when you first meet him, he's like, please don't. 1150 01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,000 They'll talk to me, they'll look at me. 1151 01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,680 I want none of that to the end where he's kind of is this this, 1152 01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,360 you know, Multiversal Hero is kind of like a really cool 1153 01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,120 journey that, you know, I'm glad people are connecting to. 1154 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:10,280 Absolutely. Yeah, and I really like that in 1155 01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,800 this book. You know, I don't really like a 1156 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:18,040 love story, Give me Blood or Any day, but the way that you 1157 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,200 depicted love in this book, like the way. 1158 01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,560 One of the best moments for me was when they were in the 1159 01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:32,200 doctor's office and finding out about Melvin's diagnosis. 1160 01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:38,560 And I thought that that was such a great loving moment between 1161 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:42,520 two companions. Of course, a splash page when 1162 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,760 they are going through the different times. 1163 01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,480 I read the pages when they're going through the different 1164 01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:52,400 times, you know, from meaning not to engagement to wedding to 1165 01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:55,240 first date. I thought that those were really 1166 01:10:55,240 --> 01:11:00,760 special and I just want to know where did all that come from? 1167 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:07,520 Where What is the inspiration for all the love in this book? 1168 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:13,240 Well, I think again, like having, having them be based on 1169 01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:18,000 Thelonious Monk and his wife Nelly, Like, I really wanted to 1170 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:24,120 find a way to to tell a story that had these two people at the 1171 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:28,360 heart of it where, you know, for a lot of a lot of people on the 1172 01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:32,360 outside looking in at Thelonious and Nelly were just like, what a 1173 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,160 what a weird relationship that is, right. 1174 01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,120 Like he just kind of grumbles and plays the piano and like, 1175 01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,400 and then she has to like, you know, do all his, you know, 1176 01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,720 other stuff and like be his manager, even though she's not 1177 01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,520 his manager. And just like, you know, it can 1178 01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,880 feel like, I think as a creative person when you're in a 1179 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,640 relationship with somebody, you know, there is kind of that give 1180 01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,680 and take, right? Of like, you know, you need to 1181 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,640 have your time and your space to be creative to, to work on your 1182 01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,320 projects. And, you know, it can be 1183 01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:06,320 difficult at times to kind of, you know, express that because 1184 01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,480 you don't want to be like, you know, leave me alone or, you 1185 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,480 know, I need to go in this room for like 4 hours and like, don't 1186 01:12:11,480 --> 01:12:15,720 talk to me. But at the same time, like there 1187 01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,920 is, you know, just such a, such a beautiful connection between 1188 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,560 Melvin and June. And I think when you're, when 1189 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,920 you're thinking about, you know, black love stories and 1190 01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:29,720 particularly, you know, older black people who we rarely get 1191 01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,680 to see in those situations, like we really rarely get to see, you 1192 01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,800 know, black people in their, you know, 60s and up, like together 1193 01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,800 with each other, like, you know, living and having already like 1194 01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,240 lived, you know, a full life together, you know what I mean? 1195 01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:48,920 And so I really honed in on that central bit because it, it felt 1196 01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,960 like just the natural through line for the story. 1197 01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:56,120 Like, you know, the the black history stuff is, is central and 1198 01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,400 you know, like all of the the action and other stuff is, is 1199 01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,960 cool too. But just from a story 1200 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,280 perspective, you know, I'm a very character driven writer. 1201 01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:10,240 And so I really need to know like, what is it that these 1202 01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,000 characters want? And like, what's the worst thing 1203 01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:14,800 that could happen to them? What's the best thing that could 1204 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,840 happen to them? And you know, how do you kind of 1205 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,240 put them, you know, through all those motions and from Elvin, 1206 01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,320 the worst thing that could happen is like Jim's done 1207 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,200 around, you know what I mean? And like, that's his central 1208 01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,240 motivation through so much of it is like just getting back to 1209 01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:29,760 her, just making sure that she's safe. 1210 01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,560 And then on the other side too, like June's not just sitting 1211 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,240 there waiting for him to show up. 1212 01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,920 Like she's very active herself. She's also trying to get back to 1213 01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:43,840 him, you know, from her end. And you can just kind of tell 1214 01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,280 like that. You know, I, I think when you 1215 01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,920 think about people at that age, you kind of think, Oh, well, 1216 01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,520 like, not like it's over for them, but like they've, they've 1217 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,440 lived a life. And now it's just like, you 1218 01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:59,560 know, you're just, you're just counting the days together as 1219 01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:03,040 opposed to like they've, they've got so much life still to live. 1220 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,360 They've got so much of their story still left to go. 1221 01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:10,560 And so I really wanted to have this older couple who, you know, 1222 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,040 like is, is almost getting like the second lease on, you know, 1223 01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:17,320 all of their relationship in terms of like the possibilities 1224 01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:22,080 of what's still to come. And so, yeah, I, I feel like 1225 01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,840 when you have I, I haven't really done, you know, too much 1226 01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,720 romance in, in the Aquaman issue. 1227 01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,360 You know, like that was another key element with, with Jackson 1228 01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:35,760 Hawaii, that romance and romance comics used to be like the 1229 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,480 highest selling comics period. You know what I mean? 1230 01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:42,320 Like romance comics, yeah, back in like the 40s and 50s, because 1231 01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:46,640 the biggest, like, audience was like teenage girls who would be 1232 01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,400 buying all the Archie comics and all the other different comics. 1233 01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:54,240 And so like, yeah, I feel like romance. 1234 01:14:55,440 --> 01:14:58,800 Well, I'm not particularly like a romance person and that like 1235 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,440 I'll read romance novels or like, I like a ROM com and like, 1236 01:15:02,440 --> 01:15:07,880 you know, even like the older movies from like the 40s and the 1237 01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,360 50s that were like, you know, romance base, like those are 1238 01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,160 fun, like those kinds of romantic comedies. 1239 01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,360 But I think that was another thing too. 1240 01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,360 I just wanted to kind of challenge myself to see if I 1241 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:23,040 could tell a story that had a romance at the center of it and 1242 01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,480 make it feel believable and not cheesy or corny or, you know, 1243 01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:30,800 kind of like tired, but like feel genuine and earnest. 1244 01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,000 And so, you know, enough people have commented that I feel like 1245 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:38,440 I did do that, which which I'm I'm happy to to hear. 1246 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,480 But yeah, like I really felt like, you know, if I can nail 1247 01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:45,160 the romance at the center of the story, then, you know, I can, I 1248 01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:47,040 can easily build everything else on top of that. 1249 01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:51,120 Yeah, well, you should do more romance and just next time, 1250 01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,240 maybe just a little bit of blood up in there. 1251 01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:59,160 OK, I'll see what I can do. No, the the the romance really 1252 01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,320 comes through and it and like you said, it felt real and 1253 01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,880 genuine cuz these aren't like 2 perfect people who you know have 1254 01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,880 the perfect love. You know, it's and I can 1255 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,800 definitely see like in the story, maybe it's like chapter 3 1256 01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,800 or something, but there you you do like you're doing the 1257 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,400 flashback on Melvin, like he wasn't always this like anxious 1258 01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:23,240 person who, you know, goes non verbal and has panic attacks and 1259 01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,480 that sort of happened over time. And like Jerry mentioned the 1260 01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:28,720 diagnosis and that I think that that was like one of the realest 1261 01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:34,840 moments the show, the love. But I guess is it, did his, did 1262 01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:39,000 Melvin's power sort of awaken with this anxiety disorder like 1263 01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,400 or are those two things connected or does he have 1264 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:46,560 general anxiety and he has this ancestral recall power? 1265 01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,520 Yeah, he's, he's got the anxiety and he's got the ancestral 1266 01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,640 recall power. But I do think that they, they 1267 01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:56,600 do speak to each other, you know, in the sense of like, it's 1268 01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,840 that anxiety that like triggers those moments where he kind of 1269 01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:04,400 taps into it. Because that was another thing 1270 01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,320 that I was thinking about is like, well, if he could just do 1271 01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,200 this all the time, you know what I mean? 1272 01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,280 Like, it's not even that it diminishes it, but it's it's 1273 01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:16,520 kind of like any, any great power has, you know, a 1274 01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,360 limitation to it, right? Like a power. 1275 01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:23,800 You're freezing a little bit, I think. 1276 01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:28,440 About the sun, you know, then like he's just strong all the 1277 01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:30,160 time and he's beating the shit out of everybody. 1278 01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,320 And like if the flash didn't have to worry about, you know, 1279 01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:36,880 the the what's going on with the speed force, you know, even if 1280 01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,240 spider man didn't run out of web sometimes, you know, like that 1281 01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:43,480 kind of takes the drama out of it because there needs to be I 1282 01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:45,160 could. So from Elvin, it's kind of like 1283 01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:50,120 he can't just do it, you know, like when he wants to like he 1284 01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:54,200 kind of needs to be pushed into this overly stressful situation 1285 01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,400 where it, you know, it starts to activate and then, you know, 1286 01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,160 he's he's able to, you know, find the right person to help 1287 01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:01,960 him, guide him through the situation. 1288 01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:06,440 So yeah, it wasn't necessarily like, oh, OK, like this, this 1289 01:18:06,440 --> 01:18:10,480 equals this. But I did find it was a good, 1290 01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,760 you know, almost kind of trigger thing where it's like, all 1291 01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,400 right, you know, he's already this kind of overly anxious 1292 01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,480 person. So what can we do to kind of 1293 01:18:19,480 --> 01:18:22,400 make sure that like we keep that balance of things or he's not 1294 01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:27,280 just like, I want to do karate now or like I I want to be Jesse 1295 01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:28,840 Owens now. And it's like, well, you know, 1296 01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,800 that's, I mean, that's cool, but that's not necessarily going to 1297 01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,640 make it a dramatic story as opposed to like, all right, we 1298 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:38,600 already know, you know, he's, he's not dealing well with 1299 01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,480 things already. So like now when a robot's 1300 01:18:41,480 --> 01:18:43,760 coming out of them, that's probably going to make it like 1301 01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:48,200 even even more over the top. So yeah, it was, it was kind of 1302 01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,440 something that I stumbled into or I was like, oh, like this is 1303 01:18:50,440 --> 01:18:54,280 a good way to kind of activate these powers and, and, you know, 1304 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,960 have a conversation about both of those things. 1305 01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:00,040 Nice. Yeah, like that. 1306 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,480 I never got that. I just thought it was just a a 1307 01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:09,280 sci-fi thing that the the the the the robots did the powers. 1308 01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:14,080 I I so good catch the markets. Yeah, 'cause I don't know, 1309 01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,320 'cause I, I think I noticed that like whenever he was getting 1310 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:17,640 stressed, like that's when his eyes would go. 1311 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,520 I'm like, OK, yeah, like maybe there's like a connection here. 1312 01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,600 And so. But this is, I guess what I 1313 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,000 heard you say is that the powers do not come from the anxiety. 1314 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,800 So hypothetically, he could have been doing the essential recall 1315 01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,760 things before the general anxiety. 1316 01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:38,440 So do you think we'll ever get to see that version of Melvin 1317 01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:41,160 where he's like, all right, I got my anxiety under control and 1318 01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,520 now I have full control over my abilities as well? 1319 01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:50,240 Yeah, almost like a like a like a Grey Hulk situation. 1320 01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:53,400 Yeah, yeah. The best of both, you know. 1321 01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,080 He goes to karaoke and he's challenging, you know? 1322 01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,200 Yeah, I think, you know, also part of the story is like, 1323 01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,280 acceptance, you know, like coming, coming to terms with, 1324 01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:13,480 you know, kind of who you are. There's that moment where Melvin 1325 01:20:13,480 --> 01:20:17,520 and Mirren are taking their drive, you know, to the MLC 1326 01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,080 headquarters. And, like, Melvin, like, freaks 1327 01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,160 out on her. And then she, like, apologizes 1328 01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:27,080 to him because he's like, you know, I, this is just who I am. 1329 01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,160 And I guess I'm like a screw up, but I can't help it. 1330 01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,640 And he's like, Oh no, like. Yeah, I'm. 1331 01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,200 Doing it, I'm doing it to her like this is how people treat me 1332 01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:37,640 like I'm, I need to, I need to chill and I need to like, you 1333 01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:41,280 know, help her as, as June, you know, has helped me before I 1334 01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,440 realized that like, even though, you know, I might have things 1335 01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:46,960 about me that are, that are different or things about me 1336 01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:51,920 that like, you know, I, I recognize maybe aren't like fun 1337 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,240 for other people, you know, I can't control it. 1338 01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:58,240 So like, what can I do, you know, to kind of still remain 1339 01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:01,720 true to myself while also, you know, like learning, learning 1340 01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:05,320 how to, to balance, you know, some of my more like eccentric 1341 01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:09,080 personality traits. And so, you know, I, I don't 1342 01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,360 know, I don't know if he'll ever like, cuz some, some things like 1343 01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:16,080 that, like don't get fixed. Like it's just, that's just how 1344 01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:17,800 you are. And so, you know, him learning 1345 01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:21,080 to live with that and accept that, but also learning to, to 1346 01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:24,480 lean on, you know, people in his community and his inner circle 1347 01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,120 who can kind of help him, you know, mitigate and deal with 1348 01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,120 that. Because if we're, if we're real, 1349 01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,920 you know, about a lot of mental health issues specifically in 1350 01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,520 the black community, it does come from a, a specifically for 1351 01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,640 black men. It does come from a perspective 1352 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,120 of like, well, you have to be strong and being strong is that 1353 01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:46,040 you have to do it alone and you can't tell other people about it 1354 01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:50,480 or like make it other people's problem as opposed to like, you 1355 01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:53,000 know, if if you're viewing it as a problem, I think that's, 1356 01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,960 that's already like the first misstep of like, all right, this 1357 01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,840 is something that needs to be fixed as opposed to like, all 1358 01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,120 right, this is something that I know about myself now. 1359 01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:06,640 And now, you know, I need to obviously do what I can to, you 1360 01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,160 know, help myself, but also know that sometimes I'm going to need 1361 01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,840 other people to help me and not feel like I can't speak to 1362 01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:16,440 somebody, talk to somebody or even allow somebody to help me. 1363 01:22:16,440 --> 01:22:19,480 You know, as opposed to like keeping up this facade of like 1364 01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:22,800 strength and like I got everything under control all the 1365 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,560 time when that's nobody does, you know, that's that's not true 1366 01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:29,360 about anybody. So, you know, I think that's 1367 01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,480 also the thing too for Melvin is like, you know, him accepting 1368 01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:35,360 and learning that like, you know, just because, you know, 1369 01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,200 this is going on with me doesn't mean that I I'm a burden to 1370 01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:39,800 other people. Like other people still want to 1371 01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,360 be around me and they still want to help me. 1372 01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,480 And so like, leaning into that instead of being, you know, 1373 01:22:45,480 --> 01:22:47,640 trying to just just tough it out on his own. 1374 01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:50,280 Yeah. And that was like, that was one 1375 01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,760 of the hardest scenes is like, it was, it was a really good 1376 01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:57,720 scene, Melvin and mirroring, driving down to the MLC 1377 01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:58,920 headquarters. It was a really good scene, but 1378 01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,480 one of the hardest scenes for me just because I'm like, I'm like, 1379 01:23:01,480 --> 01:23:03,960 yeah, for exactly all the reasons you said it just like, 1380 01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:06,920 like she's just talking. She's excited to be here with 1381 01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:08,920 you and you just really shut her down. 1382 01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:14,120 And I didn't really, I didn't pick up on like the like he's 1383 01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,280 doing to her, what people have done to him. 1384 01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,920 But it was, it was just like, you know, if I was a crier, that 1385 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:20,760 would have been the scene they got. 1386 01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:23,840 I cried a little bit when I wrote it. 1387 01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,240 So I feel like that, you know, that kind of helped, you know, 1388 01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,760 if I'm feeling that emotion and then hopefully it's going on to 1389 01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:30,360 the page. Yeah, absolutely. 1390 01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:36,520 I remember one of my favorite pages was the page where he's on 1391 01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:40,160 the horse and his hair is on fire. 1392 01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:44,840 And I don't know, he just looked so majestic. 1393 01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:48,800 And I remember you talking in the last episode about how the 1394 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:52,280 artist would put in things. I think you said that the panda 1395 01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:57,800 was made by the artist as well. So can you just talk a little 1396 01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:04,840 bit about your relationship between you and I? 1397 01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,160 Can't remember his name, but the artist of this column. 1398 01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:09,560 Adigan. Yeah, yeah. 1399 01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,840 Adigan. So Adigan and I were part of the 1400 01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,440 Milestone initiative together. And so we got to know each other 1401 01:24:16,440 --> 01:24:18,560 a little bit, you know, during that week that we were all 1402 01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:23,280 together at the DC headquarters. And I think, you know, one of 1403 01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:26,640 the things I really appreciate about working with him, one is 1404 01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:30,040 that he's extremely talented. So he makes me look good, you 1405 01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:34,840 know, when you read the book. But also is that, you know, like 1406 01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,880 we, we had a number of discussions before we even 1407 01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:43,120 started working on the project. And as we continue to go along, 1408 01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:46,720 I could kind of feel him getting more and more confident with not 1409 01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,280 only just the characters and the subject matter, but like with 1410 01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:53,480 the idea that he has ownership over the book as well. 1411 01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:56,280 So it's not just, you know, Jordan says, and I have to do 1412 01:24:56,280 --> 01:25:00,320 that, but like, OK, like Jordan's giving me this platform 1413 01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:02,920 and he's giving me, you know, this kind of blueprint in terms 1414 01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:04,560 of what's happening in the issue. 1415 01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:08,720 But I, I also have, you know, license to do things like, you 1416 01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,440 know, draw the fire on the hair or, you know, insert the panda 1417 01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:14,320 or, and knowing that, you know, he's not going to come back and 1418 01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,440 be and like, tell me, oh, like, take that out. 1419 01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:19,160 Like, I don't like that, but more so be like, you know, it's 1420 01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,840 kind of like a, you know, like improv comedy. 1421 01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,120 You know, the the biggest rule is like, yes, and right. 1422 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,480 Like you ever say no, like don't do I, I hate that, you know, you 1423 01:25:28,480 --> 01:25:30,920 got OK, like I'm, I'm presented with this idea. 1424 01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:33,640 How can I build on that? So you know, every time I would 1425 01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:37,080 get stuff back, I would like, OK, it seems like if you're 1426 01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:38,960 putting that on the page, that's telling me that that's a 1427 01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,200 direction that you want to go in. 1428 01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,720 And so instead of shutting that down, cuz it's not what I wrote, 1429 01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,960 it's more like, OK, that's fun. How could we add to that? 1430 01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:49,280 How could we build on top of that? 1431 01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:53,600 And so that was really fun for me as well, just to be able to 1432 01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:57,560 see getting the pages back, being like, you know, like you 1433 01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,000 were saying to Marcus, you were like, oh, his eyes are lighting 1434 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:01,440 up. What's going to happen next? 1435 01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:03,880 You know, I got the pages back and I was like, oh man, what, 1436 01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,600 what, how did you do this time? You know what I mean? 1437 01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:09,400 This is great. So, you know, there are certain 1438 01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:15,360 instances where I I I tried to be open, you know, but but not 1439 01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,880 kind of leave him out on an island of just like, and they 1440 01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,320 fight and you like, you figure that out, but more just like, 1441 01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,200 all right, you know, here's here's, you know, that for 1442 01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,640 example, like the, the martial arts fight sequence where it was 1443 01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:31,600 like, here's here's like I sent him like video, you know, of 1444 01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:39,320 Ronald Duncan and kind of said, OK, so here's like here, here it 1445 01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,800 is. Actually take a look at it, you 1446 01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:44,920 know, like, what do you want to include from this? 1447 01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:48,800 What, what can you see from this that would be cool to add into 1448 01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,560 it? And kind of let him, you know, 1449 01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,000 pick and choose from that, you know, what it was that he wanted 1450 01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:58,680 to do because I felt like whatever he was going to choose 1451 01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:00,800 was going to look great, you know, So I didn't want to like 1452 01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,760 overwrite and like dictate to him what he should be doing. 1453 01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:08,160 But also, you know, just gave, gave him like parameters of like 1454 01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:09,680 art. We've got like 5 panels. 1455 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,280 So like, you know, like we can do this, this, this and this, 1456 01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,200 but feel free to add or, you know, include anything else that 1457 01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:19,720 you see that looks cool, that might make for a cool scene. 1458 01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,720 So, you know, I'm, I'm very grateful to not only have gotten 1459 01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,680 a chance to work with him on this, but just in terms of like 1460 01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:30,680 a collaborative effort. I feel like it was a lot of fun 1461 01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:34,080 not to just have somebody who's as engaged with the work as you 1462 01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:39,680 are, but is like is challenging themselves as well. 1463 01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:43,640 You know, like you could kind of see him like, all right, here's 1464 01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,000 the scene. Like how, how far can I push it? 1465 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,680 How crazy can I get with it? Because there was some, some 1466 01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:55,240 instances like when you first see, see Mitchell, the big like 1467 01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,160 AI corporate, you know, Overlord, like if he's got the, 1468 01:27:58,160 --> 01:27:59,840 the helmet on and all that crazy stuff. 1469 01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,640 Like, you know, I, I sent him some reference that was kind of 1470 01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:04,400 like that. But when I saw the actual image, 1471 01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:08,840 I was like, that's it, you got it, You know, So there are a lot 1472 01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,240 of moments like that where it's like, you know, I'm guiding and 1473 01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:14,920 I'm giving you a reference, an idea to, but it's always 1474 01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,160 rewarding and fulfilling when you have a partner who's who's, 1475 01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,200 who's meeting you there and pushing you as well. 1476 01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,760 Absolutely nice yeah. I love that. 1477 01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:25,560 I love that y'all work in relationships like that. 1478 01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:27,760 If it sounds like there's like a lot of stress where you can just 1479 01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,560 throw him the ball and be like, hey, look, this is what I want 1480 01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:30,920 to get done and. You know, right? 1481 01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:34,960 He's taking it to the hoop. And I'm glad you brought up 1482 01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,160 Mitchell because I did have a question about him and we've 1483 01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:40,080 talked a lot about the heroes. So Mitchell is like the main 1484 01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:43,640 antagonist. Does Mitchell know about 1485 01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:45,840 Melvin's powers? Because there was a scene where 1486 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,120 he's like, he's like, oh, this is what it feels like to be 1487 01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:52,920 connected to like a higher mind or like an enhanced, you know, 1488 01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,680 human or something like that. So does he know about the powers 1489 01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:57,400 that he find out? Or he's just like, oh, there's 1490 01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:01,200 something special about this guy and I need it so. 1491 01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:06,200 As you know at the beginning of the story, Mitchell and the MLC 1492 01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:10,440 like they're pulling people from time to be, you know, like kind 1493 01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:14,080 of a test group for all of their various messed up products. 1494 01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:20,840 Don't think so, but it is the. Pauper one I was like. 1495 01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,840 But it is like, you know, that's, that's we live in a, we 1496 01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:30,640 live in a crazy enough world where like, who can say what the 1497 01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,680 future will hold? But if you, if you gave an AI 1498 01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:38,040 like full control over a company, like their directive is 1499 01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,800 going to be to make as much money as possible and not worry 1500 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,440 about anything else. And so, you know, like, 1501 01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,680 initially they're just pulling people from time, but once they 1502 01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:50,640 get a sense of like, oh, like this guy, maybe they don't know 1503 01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,880 how he's able to do what he's doing, But like they're getting 1504 01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:56,520 the sense that, oh, like he's got something, he's got this 1505 01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:58,320 connection. And then when they start like, 1506 01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,920 you know, doing the experiments on them, they're like, Oh, now 1507 01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:06,160 if I could tap into that, then like I, I have like a, like a 1508 01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:09,640 endless, you know, supply endless, you know, ability to, 1509 01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:12,200 to do all these other things. And so, like, once he gets the 1510 01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,120 idea, it's like, all right, you know, I can really, I could 1511 01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:17,160 really push this company to the next level. 1512 01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:19,680 And all I need is you. All I need is to continue to 1513 01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:21,600 just like, you know, pull your brain apart. 1514 01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,680 And so initially, it's not something that he knows, but 1515 01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,920 once he starts to pick up on it, you know, like Melvin kind of 1516 01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:31,160 becomes his obsession and even like, using June as something to 1517 01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:34,400 kind of lure him closer. And so he can, he could finally, 1518 01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,680 like, capture him as part of his plan, too. 1519 01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:38,480 OK, dope, dope. Yeah. 1520 01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:39,600 Because I, I definitely felt that. 1521 01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,480 I was like, oh, like, oh, he's like, he's zeroing in. 1522 01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:44,560 Yeah. Is it like he's trying to like, 1523 01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,560 take the power or does he just want the brain? 1524 01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:50,120 Yeah, cool, man. All right. 1525 01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:51,520 And I know we're like a little bit over time. 1526 01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:53,320 So I want to ask you one more question. 1527 01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,040 And it might, might be a spoiler, like kind of question 1528 01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:59,680 because in the end, you know, everyone's back home, happy 1529 01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:03,120 ending. And then they get this knock on 1530 01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,800 the door and they're like, hey, we keep seeing these ghosts. 1531 01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:08,400 What are these ghosts? Because that's why where the 1532 01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:10,320 story ends and there's nothing else. 1533 01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:14,960 I'm like, what's happening next? So I think, you know, we're 1534 01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:20,200 we're me and Adegan are very much invested in like wanting to 1535 01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:22,720 do more of the story. And so like we definitely wanted 1536 01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,480 to leave it in the place where if if we got the call and 1537 01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:27,280 they're like, all right, it's just a recall. 1538 01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:29,360 Take two. Like where you going to go with 1539 01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:32,560 it? You know, it's like, I, I think 1540 01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:38,480 for Melvin, the first part of the story is like, sorry, I, I 1541 01:31:38,480 --> 01:31:40,080 got the powers. I don't know how the powers 1542 01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:41,560 work. You know, I'm not necessarily 1543 01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:44,960 comfortable with this, you know, and he and June go through this 1544 01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:48,120 whole adventure and then at the end it's like, all right, here's 1545 01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:51,480 the new status quo, right? Like now, now Melvin is kind of 1546 01:31:51,480 --> 01:31:55,800 like, you know, a champion of, you know, people who maybe don't 1547 01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,680 have anywhere else to go or anywhere else to turn and like 1548 01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:02,200 they, they can go to him and see if he's able to solve the 1549 01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:05,360 problems for them. But you know, the first, the 1550 01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,000 first round, you know, we, we weren't real science fictiony 1551 01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,400 with it. And so the second round it was 1552 01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:12,560 kind of like, well, what, what's another direction that we could 1553 01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,200 take it where, you know, maybe he's dealing with something a 1554 01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:17,400 little bit more supernatural. Maybe he's dealing with 1555 01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:21,000 something that's a little bit more, you know, out of his 1556 01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:22,720 wheelhouse, you know, out of his comfort level. 1557 01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:25,840 Because that's again, always the fun part with with heroes and 1558 01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,200 characters is like, all right, we know, you know, Superman can 1559 01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:31,800 beat up like Brainiac or whatever, but like now it's 1560 01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:35,480 like, well, Mr. Mitsublik right in the magic, it's like, well, 1561 01:32:35,480 --> 01:32:37,240 he doesn't do that. That messes him up. 1562 01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:39,240 You know, that's like the opposite of what he's good at. 1563 01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:41,760 And so, you know, finding something where it's like, all 1564 01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,280 right, you know, Melvin has seemingly, you know, dealt with 1565 01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:48,160 this sentient AI, but like, what about a ghost? 1566 01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,480 What about, you know, something that's like completely on the 1567 01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:55,040 opposite end of the spectrum? So we've got ideas for for 1568 01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:58,280 stories to tell with that, which could be a lot of fun And even 1569 01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:01,720 like adding an additional layer when you think about the 1570 01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:06,360 ancestral recall power, right? Like he's more or less communing 1571 01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:08,720 with the dead, right? Like he's, he's almost got a 1572 01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:12,320 supernatural power himself. And so, you know, him now 1573 01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,320 stepping into a space where it's like, maybe other people don't 1574 01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:18,360 have the exact same power as he does, but maybe they have the 1575 01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:20,600 ability to do something similar to him. 1576 01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:24,200 And like, how could he, how would he interact with that? 1577 01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,320 Or, you know, like bump up against that? 1578 01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,440 So, you know, we, we like I said, we got ideas and hopefully 1579 01:33:30,440 --> 01:33:32,400 we'll be able to tell that story as well. 1580 01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:34,240 Yeah, that sounds like a lot of good stuff. 1581 01:33:34,440 --> 01:33:41,080 I can't wait for that after 2. As you know, I love me a ghost. 1582 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:46,840 So yes, okay, Jordan, you completed the interview portion 1583 01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:51,040 of this podcast. Now I'm going to now I'm going 1584 01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:55,080 to enter the 17 quick fire question portion. 1585 01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:59,000 And if you recall in this portion, I'm going to ask you 17 1586 01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,240 quick fire questions. You can answer with a yes or no, 1587 01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:05,560 but this is a podcast and we want to hear your full answer. 1588 01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:09,160 You can do whatever you want, whatever you want. 1589 01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,840 Are you ready? I'm ready now. 1590 01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:15,960 These are 17 more quick fire questions. 1591 01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:26,400 So I kind of had to reach into reach into the the bank for 1592 01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:30,800 these. So let's see now, if Ancestral 1593 01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:35,560 Recall had a theme song, what would the song be? 1594 01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:41,760 There's a this is kind of an obscure song because we did a 1595 01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:45,320 playlist for Ancestral Recall. Like I made-up a playlist of 1596 01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:48,480 songs and I sent it to add again to listen to while working on 1597 01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:51,280 it. So there's a song called Great 1598 01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:56,160 Blacks by Georgia and Moldrow, which is kind of, I mean, it's, 1599 01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:59,880 it feels like, you know, the the musical equivalent of it, you 1600 01:34:59,880 --> 01:35:03,240 know, because she's talking about how she she gets her 1601 01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:06,040 power, you know, just in life from, you know, like the 1602 01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:08,080 ancestors and how they kind of inspire her. 1603 01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,880 That can quick, quick thing would be, you know, a love 1604 01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:16,320 supreme by John Coltrane. I feel like it's kind of the the 1605 01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:18,800 vibe. Send us this playlist man, we 1606 01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:24,520 like you guys for sure. You can DM it to me on Instagram 1607 01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:29,240 because we family like that. Sending your people to me What? 1608 01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:33,120 OK, use the. People. 1609 01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:37,560 Yeah, use the people. Who is your favorite black comic 1610 01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:42,720 book writer of all time? All time I would say Dwayne 1611 01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:45,880 Mcduffie. I just feel like, you know, from 1612 01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:50,280 from a reader perspective and also just from a, from a writing 1613 01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:53,040 perspective. Like I really appreciate how he 1614 01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:56,160 was able to in his own way, you know, sprinkle black history 1615 01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:59,320 into his work, whether it was the milestone stuff or the DC 1616 01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:02,120 stuff. But then also, you know, it felt 1617 01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:08,720 like he had such a clear and distinct voice as a writer and 1618 01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:13,480 was very much pushing up against the edge, like the infamous, you 1619 01:36:13,480 --> 01:36:16,280 know, static cover with, with the condoms on it, you know what 1620 01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:17,680 I mean? And like the way that he was 1621 01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:20,760 very much adamant about like, this is what's happening, you 1622 01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:23,200 know what I mean? Like people are, are, are dying 1623 01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:25,960 from like AIDS and like, you know, this is like a real thing 1624 01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:27,200 that's happening in our community. 1625 01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:30,600 And like, that's what milestone is about is having these 1626 01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,000 conversations. So like, you know what, what, 1627 01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,920 what is the problem with static practicing safe sex? 1628 01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:39,320 Like what is the issue with him, you know, like, you know, 1629 01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:41,360 wanting to, you know, and it's a love story. 1630 01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:42,440 It's all those other, you know what I mean? 1631 01:36:42,440 --> 01:36:46,400 So like, I I feel like for him doing that and just like the 1632 01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:51,520 principles of him, you know, as somebody who I think as black 1633 01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:55,840 people in life, no matter what, you know, field you're in, 1634 01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:57,600 somebody's played in your face before. 1635 01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:02,240 And you just had to be like, OK, you know, And the way that he 1636 01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:05,000 was able to kind of, you know, he, he had to withstand a lot of 1637 01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:08,760 that, but still continue to be, you know, creative and, you 1638 01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,000 know, just a just a powerful voice in the industry. 1639 01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:16,760 So definitely Dwayne. OK, OK, if you could go to a 1640 01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:21,960 fictional world and steal an item, what item would you steal 1641 01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:23,880 and bring back? Home. 1642 01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:29,760 Oh boy, I would say I would. I would go to the Star Trek 1643 01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,120 universe and I would steal the food replicator. 1644 01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:37,440 Wow. And just hope it would still 1645 01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:38,680 work. I don't even know where I put 1646 01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:39,680 it. What kind of batteries do? 1647 01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:44,960 That thing I don't know, but you know, like just the idea of I I 1648 01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:48,520 do enjoy cooking, but you know, on those days where you're just 1649 01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:51,520 like, damn, I just need to eat whatever or you're just so you 1650 01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:53,400 got to crave in you're just like, man, you know what I 1651 01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:56,400 really want right now? And then you just press a button 1652 01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:58,040 and there it. Is we lost the cheddar biscuits? 1653 01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:02,080 Yeah, exactly. But then my thing is, doesn't 1654 01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:05,200 that run on like human waste? I don't know. 1655 01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:06,520 I don't know how it works, you know. 1656 01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:08,920 Like I feel like. Let's not ask no more questions. 1657 01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:15,960 Nobody wants to know how the sausage is made, but yeah that's 1658 01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:17,680 a good one. I was thinking like Green 1659 01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:21,520 Lantern's ring or something from Dungeon Dragon but no. 1660 01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:28,960 That's a great answer. What's harder to write, dialogue 1661 01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:33,200 or world building? That's tough. 1662 01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:36,480 I feel like dialogue can get so specific, you know, and you 1663 01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:39,920 really got to think about who a character is and just like 1664 01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:43,920 honing that voice for them so that they sound distinct. 1665 01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,760 You know what I mean? Like you can, you know how 1666 01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:48,480 Batman sounds, right? Like, you know how, you know, 1667 01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:51,640 Gandalf sounds like they've got like particular ways of speaking 1668 01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:53,880 and stuff and the world building. 1669 01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:57,520 I kind of look at them, you know, hand in hand, like the the 1670 01:38:57,520 --> 01:38:59,760 dialogue is character building and then the world building is 1671 01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:01,600 on top of that. And so they're they're 1672 01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,240 constantly interacting with each other. 1673 01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:07,600 But I would, I would say dialogue only because I think 1674 01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:12,000 for world building, you can sometimes just like map 1675 01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:15,160 something onto it and call it the world, you know, like you 1676 01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:19,640 can just you're we're in New York City and that's it. 1677 01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:23,560 As opposed to like, all right, I got to really figure out how 1678 01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:25,720 this person is going to talk and interact with these people. 1679 01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:32,040 So. OK, if your main character had 1680 01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:35,280 to team up with one hero, who are you thinking? 1681 01:39:36,440 --> 01:39:43,640 So we're talking about Melvin, who do I think would be a good 1682 01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:50,360 or like a fun interaction? You know, this is just the first 1683 01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:53,560 thing that came to my head and it just, it's, it's I guess how 1684 01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:56,640 I think it would be fun for him to team up with somebody like 1685 01:39:56,640 --> 01:40:02,840 Squirrel Girl just because like she's so positive and so like 1686 01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:07,400 energetic and so like, you know, she, she, she feels similar to 1687 01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:12,320 Mirren in some ways, but again, she's also like super powerful. 1688 01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:16,560 She needs to be. And I could see them having like 1689 01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,800 a fun back and forth interaction where, you know, she's just 1690 01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:22,840 fascinated by him and like wanted to ask him all kinds of 1691 01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:25,040 questions. And he's just like, I just let 1692 01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:30,400 me #2 Runner up would be now that I'm thinking about it would 1693 01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:33,800 be Moon Girl. Because I feel like Moon Girl 1694 01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:37,280 would also be similar to like, really want to figure out how 1695 01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:40,400 Melvin worked. But then I also think Melvin, 1696 01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:43,000 like, seeing this, like, super intelligent young black girl 1697 01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:45,400 would be like, protect her at all costs. 1698 01:40:45,440 --> 01:40:47,400 Yeah, Yeah. I'm gonna do what I gotta do. 1699 01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:51,160 So. Yeah, I, I, I, I said the 1700 01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:55,960 Punisher because I'm sick and demented, but I think the 1701 01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:59,800 conversations between him and Icon would be pretty 1702 01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:01,360 interesting, yeah. Mm hmm. 1703 01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:04,880 OK. You know, with Luke Cage, like 1704 01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:07,960 they old like old like school buddies or something like that. 1705 01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:17,000 What's your favorite? And you know the croc? 1706 01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,440 The croc is black. Yeah, the croc. 1707 01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:21,680 I think that the croc. Kill the croc. 1708 01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:26,120 Yeah, kill a Croc, because the Croc he he protects the kids in 1709 01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:31,400 Gotham in the sewers. But I, I think that, you know, I 1710 01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:36,480 because he, you know how Melvin protects June, not June, but 1711 01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:38,760 the. Mirror, mirror, mirror. 1712 01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:42,200 Yeah. That you said how he would 1713 01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:47,800 protect Moon grow, I think that he would have some common things 1714 01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:48,480 with Killer. Crack. 1715 01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:52,360 I can see it. OK, Speaking of killer Crack, 1716 01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:54,640 what's your favorite villain oranges story? 1717 01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:02,640 I mean the ones the ones that are popping to the mind 1718 01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:09,600 initially. I like the Hood for Marvel just 1719 01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:14,200 because like it feels like a real person, you know, in that 1720 01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,480 way that not everybody is the Kingpin, right? 1721 01:42:16,480 --> 01:42:19,000 Not not everybody's going to be, you know, the one running the 1722 01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:26,880 show, but also like you've got ambition, you know, and like how 1723 01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:30,240 how far would you go to get the thing that you want, even if it 1724 01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:33,600 meant giving up parts of yourself, literally parts of 1725 01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:36,320 your soul? And then not even is it worth 1726 01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:39,040 it? But like, you know, I think 1727 01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:42,120 that's, that's one of the trappings of success is that 1728 01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,320 every time you think you got the thing that you want, there's 1729 01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:45,920 actually another thing that you want. 1730 01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:49,000 And so there's there's not, there's no end. 1731 01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:52,440 There's no like, oh, I made it. Now it's like, OK, but now I got 1732 01:42:52,440 --> 01:42:55,960 to either like protect where I'm at or get to another spot. 1733 01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:59,400 So I feel like, you know, the hood is very relatable. 1734 01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:01,200 And then I'm just a big Doctor Doom fan. 1735 01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:03,280 So I'm I'm, I'm always writing for him. 1736 01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:07,280 And I think he's, again, such a fascinating character in that 1737 01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:11,720 balance of like, he's a villain, you know, there's no question 1738 01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:14,280 about that. But then he also has his own set 1739 01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:17,720 of morals and principles that make him who he is. 1740 01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:21,160 Like he's not going to do he hates Red Skull because he's a 1741 01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:22,360 Nazi. Yeah, I. 1742 01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:26,920 Mean, he doesn't rock with that, you know, and like, he, he he 1743 01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:29,720 looks at other villains with disdain as well for some of the 1744 01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:31,120 things that they do or they believe. 1745 01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:34,560 Now, is he out here doing all kinds of crazy stuff himself? 1746 01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:36,360 Absolutely. But like, he's able to. 1747 01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:37,680 Yeah. Yeah. 1748 01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:45,480 How did you think the hook was portrayed on Ironhart the TV 1749 01:43:45,480 --> 01:43:48,440 show? I mean, it was interesting 1750 01:43:48,440 --> 01:43:52,880 because I feel like, you know, part of part of the challenge of 1751 01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:58,520 something like that is it's not really about him, you know, but 1752 01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:03,040 also I feel like every good hero is is balanced and measured 1753 01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:07,160 against their villain. And so I do, I do wish there was 1754 01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:11,640 a little bit more space for him to have gotten not only fleshed 1755 01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:15,920 out, but like really like seeing the consequences of like his 1756 01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:19,200 actions because a lot of his reveals got like were like real 1757 01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:22,200 late in the show. And so like knowing some of that 1758 01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:24,640 stuff in the beginning would have been more helpful as 1759 01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:26,120 opposed to like getting near the end. 1760 01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:28,640 And it's like, oh, you're like this person's son, OK. 1761 01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:30,400 Like that. I would have liked to have known 1762 01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:34,120 couple episodes ago because I maybe would have informed more 1763 01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:40,000 of your choices, but. Yeah, Ironheart was a great 1764 01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:43,800 show. What is your What is your 1765 01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:47,080 favorite book of the year so far? 1766 01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:53,560 My favorite book of the year so far is a book called The Score, 1767 01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:58,640 which is not really, it's not quite a self help book. 1768 01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:01,520 I guess it was more of a psychology book, but it's a book 1769 01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:07,200 that's talking about how a a lot of the world that we live in has 1770 01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:10,560 become gamified where, you know, like where we're looking at so 1771 01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:14,640 many things in terms of like successes and failures. 1772 01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:19,800 And, you know, we've really allowed a lot of things to take 1773 01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:23,360 over just the way that we think and like interact with the 1774 01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:26,640 world. But then also it's about games 1775 01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:32,240 and like the philosophy of games and how games help us, you know, 1776 01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:38,840 be more flexible, more creative, more empathetic and how, you 1777 01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:42,560 know, like how your perspective of going into a game can really 1778 01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:47,200 affect your life, right? Like if you're somebody who is, 1779 01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:49,920 I forget the exact term that they use in the book, but it's 1780 01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:52,880 like if you're somebody who, who goes into a game and it's not 1781 01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:56,200 even about not caring if you win or lose, but like you, you like 1782 01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:58,520 the process of the game. You like playing the game, you 1783 01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:02,360 like learning the game. You like having, you know, the 1784 01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:04,880 challenges of the game and kind of figuring things out in that 1785 01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:07,760 way. And so for you, the enjoyment of 1786 01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,960 the game is the game itself, not necessarily the end of the 1787 01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:13,280 result. As opposed to somebody who only 1788 01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:17,040 cares about winning, who only cares about, you know, like, and 1789 01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:19,680 is doing everything in their power to win. 1790 01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:23,120 You know, like, again, Jared, I'm sure you've played Dungeons 1791 01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:25,960 and Dragons with people who are just like, I'm trying to win D&D 1792 01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:30,080 and it's like, that's not really fun because you can't win the 1793 01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,120 game. You know, really like you can't 1794 01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:33,680 be in. Condition and then push you 1795 01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:35,320 toward. It yeah, you can. 1796 01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:37,800 You can accomplish the goal of the game. 1797 01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:41,840 But like the fun of Dungeons and Dragons is this communal playing 1798 01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:45,280 activity, creating this character, thinking about this 1799 01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:48,200 world and, and you're doing it in community with the other 1800 01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:51,120 people at the table, right. The game doesn't work if you 1801 01:46:51,120 --> 01:46:54,280 know, you've got 6 people and five of them are bought it and 1802 01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:56,800 one of them is like, and I killed this person. 1803 01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:59,040 You're like, you didn't even talk to us about that. 1804 01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:01,640 Like you're just doing, you know, whatever you want to do. 1805 01:47:02,160 --> 01:47:03,680 You know, you're just looting everybody. 1806 01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:06,520 It's not, it's not as fun as opposed to like, oh, OK, this is 1807 01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:09,160 something that we're sharing and doing together. 1808 01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:12,160 And so I, I really enjoyed this book because of it. 1809 01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:13,960 It put into perspective a lot of things. 1810 01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:17,080 There's a lot of I could, I know this is the rapid fire session, 1811 01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:18,680 though. I wouldn't go too far to it, but 1812 01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:21,800 I would recommend reading it, especially if you're somebody 1813 01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:26,280 who's kind of struggled with seeing the, the, the pace and 1814 01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:29,520 the speed of the modern world and, and feeling like, you know, 1815 01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:33,040 there's some weird things going on in the way that, you know, a 1816 01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:37,880 lot of stuff now is being engineered to like attract and 1817 01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:42,560 maintain all of our attention as opposed to, you know, finding 1818 01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:44,520 the enjoyment of that. Because the last, last quick 1819 01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:51,280 thing is that it really talks about how like failure and being 1820 01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:54,880 bad at things is good for you. Like picking up a new hobby and 1821 01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:58,720 a new skill and not being good at it, but like the, the 1822 01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:01,720 learning process of it, right? Of like, all right, you know, I 1823 01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:04,640 don't know how this works. Let me figure it out Instead of 1824 01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:08,240 that instant gratification of like, all right, I tried it. 1825 01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:09,880 I'm good at it. I'm going to keep doing it as 1826 01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:12,120 opposed to like I tried it, I'm not good at it. 1827 01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:13,720 So I'm never going to do that again. 1828 01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:18,120 Because like, that's just not how life works. 1829 01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:19,920 Like nobody's good at everything. 1830 01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:26,200 But also like part of the what gives life its its fullness is 1831 01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:30,520 struggling at different parts to get to where you want to get to. 1832 01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:33,560 If everything is easy or if everything is simple or if 1833 01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:36,280 everything is just catered to you, then you never learn, you 1834 01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:40,000 never grow, you never, you know, take on different perspectives. 1835 01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:44,000 So like, we can struggle in games and it's safe, you know, 1836 01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:48,360 it's a safe place for us to kind of overcome these obstacles and 1837 01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:50,000 then we can take that into our real life. 1838 01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:53,960 But if you're, if you're only quote UN quote playing to win, 1839 01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:56,720 then you're kind of missing out on a lot of other things. 1840 01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:59,680 So yeah. And it's, it's because in my 1841 01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:04,000 book now, Chrysalis, you know, the main character, he struggled 1842 01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:06,080 with the game. He didn't know how to play. 1843 01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,800 He was run over with a chick with his head cut off, even 1844 01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:13,200 though he's A and there's this new character who came in just 1845 01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:18,400 recently on book 6 and he died in the world by getting run over 1846 01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:24,320 by a ice cream ice cream truck. And he loves it. 1847 01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:27,040 He's learning the rules. He is getting it. 1848 01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:30,840 He is leveling up quickly. So it's it's fun to see their 1849 01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:33,640 dynamic. And plus the new guy is a evil 1850 01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:38,280 demon. OK, What is your favorite horror 1851 01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:42,240 movie ever? Favorite horror movie ever I 1852 01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:46,960 would say is Get Out. I can't think of. 1853 01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:51,520 I can't think of a movie that I saw in a theater that like hit 1854 01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:55,160 me in such a similar way. You know, like I've seen scarier 1855 01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:58,600 movies than Get Out and I've seen, you know, definitely 1856 01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:02,640 movies that that gave me a more visceral reaction when watching 1857 01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:05,280 it. But I feel like Get Out just for 1858 01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:08,760 everything that it hit and like seeing it for the first time, 1859 01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:14,320 you know, like that, that kind of has stayed with me of just 1860 01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:18,240 like how everything played out. And like when you get to the 1861 01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:21,080 end, you're just like, Oh my God, you know, you kind of put 1862 01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:25,840 everything together, you know, and I, and I am, I'm more of a, 1863 01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:29,880 a psychological horror than like a straight like blood and guts 1864 01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:32,600 whore kind of person. Like I can appreciate, you know 1865 01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:35,160 that, but I, I really like the psychological elements. 1866 01:50:35,160 --> 01:50:40,520 So I would say get out. OK, real or fictional, who is 1867 01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:50,560 your favorite black couple? This is tough because now I'm, 1868 01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:54,880 yeah, now I'm trying to think of like, I will say as a side note, 1869 01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:59,200 and this is very, very recent, I cannot express how disappointed 1870 01:50:59,200 --> 01:51:05,280 I am in Klay Thompson for the epic fumble of like, it's one 1871 01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:10,000 thing to end your relationship with Megan Thee Stallion, right? 1872 01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:12,280 It's one thing to say, hey, we did it. 1873 01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:14,440 It was fun. But we've decided that, you 1874 01:51:14,440 --> 01:51:18,120 know, like, it's probably best if we both find, or maybe we're 1875 01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:20,080 looking for different things or whatever. 1876 01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:25,640 And like this is a amicable and, but to like do everything that 1877 01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:29,240 you did and then get called out in the way that you did. 1878 01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:32,720 And then I don't know, dude. Like that's just like, I can't, 1879 01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:38,120 I can't put those pieces together, but it's a real, as 1880 01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:42,960 far as a real couple. I mean, I feel like I really do. 1881 01:51:43,640 --> 01:51:45,680 And I'm not just saying this because of my book, but I do 1882 01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:48,960 really like Thelonious Monk and and Nelly Monk because I feel 1883 01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:52,280 like that was just such a, a real genuine relationship 1884 01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:55,880 between two people who needed each other, you know, and really 1885 01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:59,040 loved each other and in such a way that's like inspirational 1886 01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:02,240 so. It's a fumble. 1887 01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:05,480 Mega the stallion. After you buy her a house, you 1888 01:52:05,480 --> 01:52:09,400 name your boat after her. After she cooks your parents the 1889 01:52:09,400 --> 01:52:12,280 best Thanksgiving meal they ever had in their life. 1890 01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:18,360 Crazy. OK, if you can live in any 1891 01:52:18,360 --> 01:52:20,040 fictional universe, where you going? 1892 01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:24,120 This is tough. I I think about this sometimes 1893 01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:26,080 and like everything has pros and cons, right? 1894 01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:28,680 Like there's certain places that look like fun, but then like 1895 01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:32,520 zombies, maybe it would, yeah, maybe it wouldn't be fun after a 1896 01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:33,720 while. I mean, even something like, you 1897 01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:35,920 know, if you lived in the Mario universe, it's like, that's 1898 01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:39,040 probably fun for a little bit, but then like go, then you got 1899 01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:41,400 to talk to you got to talk to Toad all the time. 1900 01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:49,680 Like that's I would say, if I could live in a fictional 1901 01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:55,080 universe, I would, you know, I would like to live in like AD 1902 01:52:55,160 --> 01:53:01,760 and D type universe just because of the ability to then like have 1903 01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:05,560 the adventure, you know, like in that way where I think if 1904 01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:09,840 depending on what you wanted to do, you know, like there are so 1905 01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:12,760 many options and so many ways to go about it, like, you know, 1906 01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:14,560 fact that might show up and that's a problem. 1907 01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:20,440 But but there's still there's no other play. 1908 01:53:20,440 --> 01:53:22,360 I mean, there's no other place where it's just like, and you 1909 01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:24,920 just, I mean, if you go to like the Hello Kitty universe, I 1910 01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:28,760 guess you can like, you know, just just chill all day. 1911 01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:31,400 But that again, like that would kind of get boring after a 1912 01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:32,720 while. If you want a little bit of 1913 01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:36,240 adventure, if I'm going to go to a fictional place, I'm trying to 1914 01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:38,880 like, you know, get get the full effect of it. 1915 01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:41,840 So I would do, I would do AD and D universe. 1916 01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:49,880 I would be a paladin. Beholden to a God, huh. 1917 01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:55,440 Other. Creature, yeah, I don't I can't, 1918 01:53:55,440 --> 01:53:58,960 I don't I don't know what vow I would take, but you know then 1919 01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:00,800 you because you get a little bit of the magic and you get a 1920 01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:02,360 little bit of the the sword play. 1921 01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:04,360 So best of both worlds, you know. 1922 01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:08,680 OK, All right, that's very interesting. 1923 01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:10,600 That's a whole other conversation that we can have 1924 01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:12,600 this time. You're coming on. 1925 01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:15,320 Who's your favorite black sci-fi character? 1926 01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,640 This is also tricky. You know who I'm going to say, 1927 01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:28,480 and it's it's probably not a good thing, but I don't know if 1928 01:54:28,480 --> 01:54:34,160 either of you saw Alien Earth, not yet, but Morrow from Alien 1929 01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:39,080 Earth, I don't know. Something about him felt like, 1930 01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:42,080 you know, it didn't end the way that I wanted it to for him. 1931 01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:46,200 But like, when he was in it, like that scene, not a spoiler, 1932 01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:48,960 but the scene where he's like plugging into the ship and he's 1933 01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:51,760 like sweating profusely while he's, like, interrogating. 1934 01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:52,840 Yeah. The other. 1935 01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:55,080 I was just like, what is happening? 1936 01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:57,600 But I really. Yeah. 1937 01:54:57,600 --> 01:54:59,720 I mean, he was such an interesting and, like, flawed 1938 01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:02,480 and complicated character where you were just like, I do want 1939 01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:05,280 him to do the thing that he wants to do, but what he wants 1940 01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:06,960 to do is not good. Yeah. 1941 01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:09,600 And so. But he's also black, so I'm 1942 01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:10,800 rooting for him. So I don't know. 1943 01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:15,520 I'm just like, but I I really enjoyed his character and the 1944 01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:17,440 actor who played him was terrific as well, so. 1945 01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:21,920 Yeah, I liked him too, and it's a good show. 1946 01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:24,800 You need to watch it. OK, OK, I'll write it down right 1947 01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:26,840 now. Especially because you can like 1948 01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:31,640 like binge it because going week week to week on that was. 1949 01:55:31,880 --> 01:55:35,040 It was tough. Yeah, all right, What's 1 trope 1950 01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:40,640 you're tired of in comics? I mean, I guess, you know, 1951 01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:47,440 obviously the comic book deaths can get tiresome after a while, 1952 01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:56,000 but I would say I really I am kind of over and and it's it's 1953 01:55:56,000 --> 01:56:00,640 kind of two different things. But like, either the the person 1954 01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:04,520 like loses their powers and they have to like figure out how to 1955 01:56:04,520 --> 01:56:09,240 be a hero without their superpowers anymore, or the Iron 1956 01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:13,440 Man Batman like, oh, they don't have any money anymore. 1957 01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:15,720 So how are they still going to be, you know, the superheroes 1958 01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:19,280 like, but like Batman will lose his money and still have all the 1959 01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:21,120 Batman things. So it's like, well, this isn't 1960 01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:22,960 really different. And like Iron Man lose all his 1961 01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:24,840 money and still have the Iron Man suit. 1962 01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:28,560 So it's like, well, he's still Iron Man. 1963 01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:34,040 Like he can't make, I guess. But like, and it's also in those 1964 01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:36,920 two particular cases, you're telling me these white men can't 1965 01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:40,280 get more money? That's crazy. 1966 01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:46,200 Because on both, on both tops, because these are both recent 1967 01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:49,200 comic book trolls that happened. They were no longer 1968 01:56:49,200 --> 01:56:53,880 billionaires, but they still had some millions they could, you 1969 01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:55,080 know, spend. So I was like. 1970 01:56:56,280 --> 01:56:59,520 They don't have $1,000,000, they have $999 million. 1971 01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:03,840 Yeah, You know, or like if Bruce Wayne wanted to be part of like 1972 01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:06,400 a venture startup operation, like he could. 1973 01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:08,880 I mean, you look at all these people hitting the lick on like 1974 01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:13,960 Kaushi or whatever, like Batman can't come up off a prediction 1975 01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:15,320 market real quick if you need some money. 1976 01:57:15,320 --> 01:57:17,560 Like, That's right, Yeah. I mean all. 1977 01:57:18,440 --> 01:57:22,120 Right. If aliens come to Earth with the 1978 01:57:22,120 --> 01:57:27,120 intent to kill, what comic book are you handing them to save 1979 01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:30,160 humans? To save humans. 1980 01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:35,160 Oh boy. I mean, they already they're 1981 01:57:35,160 --> 01:57:37,000 already coming with the intent to kill. 1982 01:57:38,920 --> 01:57:40,600 We're in a we're in a tough position. 1983 01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:42,880 Am I trying to show them the beauty of humanity? 1984 01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:45,040 Am I trying to to scare them off? 1985 01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:49,440 I would hand them. One of my favorite all time 1986 01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:52,840 comic books is a comic called Day Tripper, which is about a 1987 01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:59,800 obituary writer who at the end of each chapter he dies. 1988 01:58:00,640 --> 01:58:02,360 Yeah. And then the next chapter starts 1989 01:58:02,360 --> 01:58:04,840 up again and the next period of his life. 1990 01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:07,760 So like if he had kept living, what would happen next? 1991 01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:12,600 And I think it is a very beautiful story about, you know, 1992 01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:16,560 humanity and like, the value of life and like the the 1993 01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:19,480 preciousness of each moment and each period of time in your 1994 01:58:19,480 --> 01:58:21,600 life. And so maybe that would be 1995 01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:24,000 enough to persuade them to not kill us. 1996 01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:26,920 Or, or it would persuade them like, oh, humans are completely 1997 01:58:26,920 --> 01:58:28,240 cool with Diane. Let's destroy. 1998 01:58:28,240 --> 01:58:29,280 Yeah, they just keep coming back. 1999 01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:31,640 Then maybe they'll just completely misinterpreted, but I 2000 01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:33,280 mean, they're never going to do that anyway, so. 2001 01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:38,120 Yeah, I love Day Tripper, by the way. 2002 01:58:38,120 --> 01:58:42,160 All right. Who is your favorite writer, 2003 01:58:42,360 --> 01:58:48,320 artist duo in comics? My favorite all time writer 2004 01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:53,880 artist duo I would say is Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips, just 2005 01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:57,680 because I really love all of their collaborations, you know, 2006 01:58:57,680 --> 01:59:01,440 whether it's criminal, whether it's fatale, whether it's a lot 2007 01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:02,920 of the newer stuff that they've been doing. 2008 01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:07,360 And I think just in terms of like the, the crime fiction, you 2009 01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:11,480 know, like there's, there's other people who do it, but it, 2010 01:59:11,480 --> 01:59:13,720 it does feel like everybody's kind of chasing them. 2011 01:59:14,120 --> 01:59:16,640 And it does feel like, you know, one of my favorite things with 2012 01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:19,800 a, with a writer artist duo is when it feels like they're just 2013 01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:22,520 one person, you know, like it feels like they've, they've kind 2014 01:59:22,520 --> 01:59:25,200 of melded into one specific identity. 2015 01:59:25,640 --> 01:59:28,800 So I would say Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips. 2016 01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:32,880 OK cool, cool. What is 1 show or movie that 2017 01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:35,600 you're looking forward to in 2026? 2018 01:59:38,240 --> 01:59:42,360 I'm going to say I love boosters like I think that movie looks 2019 01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:46,280 like a lot of fun. I really like boots Riley and 2020 01:59:46,440 --> 01:59:51,800 like just it feel it feels like what he's really good at is a 2021 01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:54,920 like giving you just an insane idea. 2022 01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:58,000 You know, like something that you you read the plot and you're 2023 01:59:58,000 --> 01:59:59,760 like that doesn't work. How does that work? 2024 01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:01,200 Like what's going on? Like if? 2025 02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:04,080 If somebody gave you the plot of Sorry to bother, you would be 2026 02:00:04,080 --> 02:00:07,080 like, this is what? But then you watch the movie and 2027 02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:09,760 you're like, oh, OK. Like he's he's he's locked it 2028 02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:12,440 in. And so I feel like that's this, 2029 02:00:12,440 --> 02:00:14,360 this looks like another home run with that. 2030 02:00:14,840 --> 02:00:18,640 You know, the cast looks great. And I feel like he's always he's 2031 02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:21,320 always got something up his sleeve in the terms of like just 2032 02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:24,720 the overall message of his film. So I'm excited to see where he's 2033 02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:28,280 going with this one. Yeah, that and is God is, is I 2034 02:00:28,360 --> 02:00:30,080 am. Really. 2035 02:00:31,640 --> 02:00:35,480 All right, what's one word you you'd use to describe your 2036 02:00:35,480 --> 02:00:43,560 writing style? I like to think that my writing 2037 02:00:43,560 --> 02:00:51,000 is, I'm going to go, I'm going to go with humanist, you know, 2038 02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:54,440 like, I feel like my, my, one of my favorite writers is Kurt 2039 02:00:54,440 --> 02:00:58,400 Vonnegut, who was the, I think he was like the head of the 2040 02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:01,000 humanist organization for a while there, or like the 2041 02:01:01,000 --> 02:01:03,280 Humanist Church. But I think for me, like 2042 02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:08,600 humanism really is just about like how we are all the same in 2043 02:01:08,600 --> 02:01:12,360 a lot of levels, but we're also, you know, very much our own 2044 02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:14,920 people. And, you know, it's just about 2045 02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:17,400 like looking at each other, treating each other with 2046 02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:22,800 respects and treating each other with, you know, just like a 2047 02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:27,400 level of grace that I feel like, you know, we're all nobody's 2048 02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:30,040 perfect and nobody's going to get it right all the time. 2049 02:01:30,520 --> 02:01:35,920 But you know, the constantly like just trying to to be holier 2050 02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:38,160 than thou when like we're all in the bud together. 2051 02:01:38,160 --> 02:01:41,320 Like, you know, there's no reason to act like, you know, 2052 02:01:41,320 --> 02:01:44,120 anybody's got it more figured out than anybody else. 2053 02:01:44,120 --> 02:01:48,080 And so I think with a lot of my work, I like to, to try to give 2054 02:01:48,200 --> 02:01:52,160 really grounded, you know, even within something like ancestral 2055 02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:54,480 recall where like he's, he's doing all this crazy stuff, he's 2056 02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:57,680 going all these adventures. But like Melvin feels like a 2057 02:01:57,680 --> 02:02:00,640 person that you would know, you know, if you if you took the 2058 02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:03,480 superpowers away, It's like, oh, that's less he's got he's got 2059 02:02:03,480 --> 02:02:09,320 unk energy like you can, you know, so I, I guess that's the 2060 02:02:09,320 --> 02:02:12,440 word I would describe. My writing is, is kind of feels 2061 02:02:12,440 --> 02:02:16,240 like, you know, where I'm, I'm giving everybody, I'm painting 2062 02:02:16,240 --> 02:02:20,280 everybody with, you know, and an individual brush. 2063 02:02:20,280 --> 02:02:23,280 You know, like I want to respect everybody's individual 2064 02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:26,680 perspectives, but also, you know, that there's a lot of 2065 02:02:26,680 --> 02:02:30,040 things that connect us and, you know, trying to highlight those 2066 02:02:30,040 --> 02:02:38,440 things as well. OK, final question, since since 2067 02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:46,000 you have been on your tour, your podcasting tour, how is our 2068 02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:52,000 podcast in comparison to? Comparison. 2069 02:02:52,160 --> 02:02:59,280 OK, OK, I will say, I mean this is this is not a shot or a shade 2070 02:02:59,280 --> 02:03:02,080 at any other podcast that I've done or that I've been on. 2071 02:03:03,040 --> 02:03:07,880 But it is interesting, I think in discussing this book in a lot 2072 02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:11,600 of different places, like whenever I'm in, whenever I'm in 2073 02:03:11,600 --> 02:03:14,520 an all black space, you know, there's a there's a level of 2074 02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:17,560 comfort and understanding and like being able to just have 2075 02:03:17,560 --> 02:03:21,920 conversations naturally without explaining things or, you know, 2076 02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:25,160 like going into greater detail about things that are just 2077 02:03:25,160 --> 02:03:26,880 understood, you know, culturally. 2078 02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:29,760 And so I really appreciate not even just you guys having me on 2079 02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:33,560 for 1/3 time, but every time, you know, it's, it's a lot of 2080 02:03:33,560 --> 02:03:36,560 fun just to be able to, to chop it up because I think we're all 2081 02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:39,720 on the same vibe and same level in terms of like, you know, 2082 02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:42,720 cultural stuff, but also like, you know, geeky and nerdy stuff. 2083 02:03:42,720 --> 02:03:45,400 And like, it makes the conversation really easy and, 2084 02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:46,920 and fun. Like I, I don't know how long 2085 02:03:46,920 --> 02:03:50,000 we've been talking, but it feels like, you know, 5 minutes, you 2086 02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:53,840 know, so. Thank you. 2087 02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:58,400 Thank you so much. Well, Jordan, that was 17 2088 02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:02,480 questions there. Jordan, I got to tell you, and 2089 02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:07,080 I've been meaning to tell you that since you came on here the 2090 02:04:07,080 --> 02:04:11,480 first time. You gave us one piece of advice 2091 02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:19,520 that has given our podcast much success and much credence that 2092 02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:24,280 we use to this day, and that is just reach out to who you want 2093 02:04:24,280 --> 02:04:30,440 to be on. Yeah, we've got TJ Stews, Ben, 2094 02:04:30,440 --> 02:04:39,280 Corey Jones, Raywa, our daily. Who did we have on last week? 2095 02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:42,520 The choreographer and director. Jamal Sims. 2096 02:04:42,520 --> 02:04:46,520 Jamal Sims, who is writing a movie now with Oprah Winfrey. 2097 02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:54,000 So that is all thanks to you. We owe so much success to Jordan 2098 02:04:54,240 --> 02:04:59,080 Clark. So I have got to say thank you 2099 02:04:59,080 --> 02:05:02,400 because I would have never thought I thought you had to go 2100 02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:10,560 through people to find to, to, to find these and people that it 2101 02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:13,120 would be like an absorbent amount of money. 2102 02:05:13,400 --> 02:05:19,480 But you really opened the door for me and this podcast. 2103 02:05:19,480 --> 02:05:25,880 So I have got to eternally and forever say thank you to you. 2104 02:05:25,880 --> 02:05:29,880 You are the godfire this podcast, which you have given us 2105 02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:35,680 this inspiration and you have made this podcast as successful 2106 02:05:35,680 --> 02:05:38,600 as it is today. So thank you, thank you and 2107 02:05:38,600 --> 02:05:43,120 thank you for your kind words. I know that we tried to make 2108 02:05:43,160 --> 02:05:49,480 this thing a good a good place, a comfortable place for people 2109 02:05:49,480 --> 02:05:53,240 to be on. And we are also happy to have 2110 02:05:53,240 --> 02:05:58,880 you on for a 4th, 5th, 9th, 20th, 35th time because it is 2111 02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:02,440 always a great thing. And, and yeah, thank you so much 2112 02:06:02,440 --> 02:06:04,760 for all your advice and all your confidence and everything. 2113 02:06:05,560 --> 02:06:08,360 Hey appreciate you guys too and give yourself some credit cuz 2114 02:06:08,360 --> 02:06:09,800 y'all made it happen you know what I mean? 2115 02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:13,320 Like you put the work in and you do you know all the things that 2116 02:06:13,320 --> 02:06:14,920 you needed to do to make it successful. 2117 02:06:14,920 --> 02:06:18,600 So you know claps claps for y'all keep it going. 2118 02:06:18,640 --> 02:06:20,000 Always happy to see your success. 2119 02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:23,280 OK. And if you want to read such a 2120 02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:26,120 recall, it is available at your local comic book store. 2121 02:06:26,120 --> 02:06:28,920 I think you can order it online. Absolutely. 2122 02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:31,840 Get it? The price is too low if I do too 2123 02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:35,920 loud. Y'all should get it immediately 2124 02:06:36,080 --> 02:06:38,560 because this is probably one of the best books. 2125 02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:44,000 It's a it's a great centerpiece at your home and a good day to 2126 02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:47,200 talk about with your friends. Especially that last little fast 2127 02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:49,160 page. It's one of my favorite pages 2128 02:06:49,240 --> 02:06:54,640 after the horse. Jordan, where can they find you? 2129 02:06:56,200 --> 02:06:58,760 You can find me on all the social medias at Jr. 2130 02:06:58,760 --> 02:07:03,440 Sosa 18, JRSO, SA-18. You can also check out the White 2131 02:07:03,440 --> 02:07:06,000 People Won't Save You podcast wherever you get your podcasts. 2132 02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:11,320 Nice. And yeah, you can find us on 2133 02:07:11,320 --> 02:07:13,600 Black Geek Energy for your socials. 2134 02:07:14,080 --> 02:07:16,640 And this is an amazing episode. Jordan, thank you. 2135 02:07:16,640 --> 02:07:21,680 You got to come on again. We may just have you on as a 2136 02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:29,200 comic book, a special guest comic book maybe. 2137 02:07:29,200 --> 02:07:33,400 Maybe because I had Dwayne Mcduffie, I was thinking we 2138 02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:35,240 could do an episode on him because she talked to him. 2139 02:07:35,240 --> 02:07:37,440 Maybe you could come back on and talk about Dwayne Mcduffie. 2140 02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:39,160 I. Would love to Yes I. 2141 02:07:39,640 --> 02:07:43,960 Know OK, I will. And yeah, I think that's the end 2142 02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:48,520 of Black Geek Energy, guys. Yeah, BGE out appreciate you for 2143 02:07:48,520 --> 02:07:51,240 coming on again. Yeah, appreciate y'all anytime.