1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,800 Welcome to another episode, Black Geek Energy. 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,280 Today's iconic guess is someone whose works has been shaping 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,240 culture, whether people realize it or not. 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:22,120 For creating iconic numbers for films like Hairspray, Footloose 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:27,640 and a setup franchise, to making productions like Aladdin and a 6 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,200 Console, his choreography has helped to find how people show 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:37,000 up in film, TV, and pop culture. If you ever caught yourself 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,760 remembering a dance scene long after the credits roll, there's 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,040 a real chance our guest has had something to do with it. 10 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:50,160 He's also a standout judge and frequent dance instructor on 11 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,440 RuPaul's Drag Race, breaking energy, precision and 12 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,120 personality to one of the most influential shows in 13 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,040 entertainment today. But he did stop at choreography. 14 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,520 He stepped behind the camera and I right that the documentary 15 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:11,760 when the beat drop who tells the powerful story rooted in a black 16 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,840 queer dance culture. And now he's leveling up yet 17 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,080 again, stuffing to the narrative filmmaking with his upcoming 18 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,920 film major produced by her. And this lady, I don't know if 19 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,440 you heard of her. Her name is Oprah Winfrey, 20 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:38,960 making this film one of the most sought after, hyped up HBCU 21 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:42,440 films since Drumline. This is someone who's worked 22 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,440 with legends, built a career across multiple lanes, and it's 23 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,000 still finding ways to push the culture forward. 24 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,320 Joining us today is Jamal Sims. Yeah. 25 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,120 For the show Welcome to the show. 26 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,280 Thank you, thank you, thank you. Wow, You know, it's, it's so 27 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,000 funny hearing all that stuff. I'm like, who are you talking? 28 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,680 Like, it's so even feel like, you know, like I did that stuff. 29 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,560 Time just flies. And, you know, so thank you for 30 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,560 that amazing intro. And hopefully the viewers 31 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,600 haven't logged off like, oh, we're tired of it. 32 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:22,960 Yeah. Look. 33 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,400 I didn't even mention all the concert tours that you did. 34 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:33,160 You write with Madonna, Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez, You did 35 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:39,720 this 24 year Lion King that just happened a few years ago and you 36 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:45,840 recently was at the Miley Cyrus 20 year anniversary. 37 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,520 Yes. Wow, such a career, such a 38 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:51,240 great. Career. 39 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:57,240 Yeah, look, it's been good. You know, life has been good and 40 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,000 I've been very lucky. And I'm very grateful because I 41 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,720 know that, you know, this, this kind of career, you know, it 42 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:09,320 doesn't happen to everyone. So I'm always extremely grateful 43 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,600 that, you know, I have these opportunities that come my way 44 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:18,120 and they end up, you know, I've end up making like amazing 45 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:24,400 friends and, and memories that just will go on long after I'm 46 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,520 gone, you know? So yeah, it's, it's, it's really 47 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:28,520 cool. Yeah. 48 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,680 Well, we hope to be one of your friends someday. 49 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,280 Hopefully this conversation will get us closer in that Jamal 50 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,600 Simms inner circle. Bye. 51 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:46,120 Let me ask one of the toughest questions you ever had at A at a 52 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:51,920 interview like this. You posted OK a while ago. 53 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,520 I think it was to your story, 'cause I can't find it anymore. 54 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:02,680 You posted the a little flashback to this R&B group that 55 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:07,640 you helped choreograph. When are we doing the reunion 56 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,800 tour of this R&B group? Did I take it down? 57 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,480 Did I take that down? I don't. 58 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,120 I don't. Look, let me tell you, I'm 59 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,519 ready. I'm ready for a reunion. 60 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:24,080 That was that was my first love. Literally all I really wanted to 61 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:31,280 do after I saw Michael Jackson and The Wiz and I, I started, 62 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,120 you know, I dove into like, performing arts. 63 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,040 I just wanted to be a new addition. 64 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,520 And so I put together my own new addition with my cousin, my 65 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,920 brother and, and, and some friends around the block. 66 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,240 And yeah, we actually had a record deal and put a little 67 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,760 album out. Yeah. 68 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,960 So that was my life before dancing. 69 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,240 OK, OK. Singing and dancing about 70 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:09,200 singing. Now, one of the first things, 71 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:13,440 because I saw you on Drake Race and then I saw you, I heard 72 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,760 about this little production from my friend Lionel Goodwin. 73 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,280 He was going to be in when the beat drops. 74 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:23,080 I was like, what's this about? He said, Jay. 75 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,760 I'm like, Jay said it. Well, let me sit down and have 76 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,680 the popcorn ready, honey, because DeMarcus can tell you, 77 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:37,040 I'll be dancing the storm by myself in Hampton, VA, getting 78 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,880 getting kicked out of stadiums, getting fired from Hampton, 79 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,800 having to see the Provost, all that stuff. 80 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:47,000 But yes, it's a long story. Hard to be telling the truth. 81 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,760 Tell the man every game you would think he was leading the 82 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,280 dancers. I don't think he was. 83 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:56,800 He was head captain. I love that. 84 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:03,440 But what made you kind of venture off into the 85 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,880 performances that you were doing and choreographing into 86 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,560 something like when the beat trucks that J setting world that 87 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,440 you were that that was happening? 88 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:19,720 Well funny is I I went to my first trip to Atlanta and it was 89 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,760 actually black gay pride weekend to a place called Tracks and it 90 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,320 was like 1. I don't know if y'all y'all 91 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,200 might be too young to to know what Tracks is, but let me tell 92 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,080 you, it went down in tracks and I had never it was my first. 93 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,160 It was actually like my second or third gay club. 94 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,600 I I did like a couple in LA, but I went to Atlanta because I was 95 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,080 hoping that nobody would know me. 96 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,960 And I will walk in and I'll you know, so I have my hoodie, you 97 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,800 know, I'm, you know, I was covered up in the back and I was 98 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,400 sitting like against the wall. And I can remember vividly these 99 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,920 this crew walking in with these white patent leather Nancy boots 100 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,040 and they walked through the club and everybody kind of it, it, it 101 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,840 felt cinematic. It felt like a movie. 102 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,680 People were moving out of the way and they were marching 103 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,920 through it. And I was like, what in the, you 104 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,160 know, I didn't know what it was, what they were about to do. 105 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,560 There ain't no Hooters outfit on. 106 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,200 And and then another crew came on the from the other side and 107 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,160 they parted to see, and then they met in the middle and then 108 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,480 they just started dancing. And it was some of the most 109 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:28,880 athletic. Gas. 110 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,160 Dancing, I had ever seen that the flips that I mean, the, the 111 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,320 agility, everything that they did just blew me away. 112 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,080 And so I remember saying at that point, like, why don't we know 113 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,520 anything about this on the East Coast? 114 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,640 I mean the West Coast, like we had not, I knew nothing about 115 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,880 the culture at all. And so obviously we don't have, 116 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,560 you know that here. So, you know, I had to go to the 117 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,800 South to to get it. And once I saw it, I was asking 118 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,240 people like, where can I see, you know, where are they going 119 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,680 to do this again in somewhere? And they were like, yeah, go to 120 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,680 Piedmont Park tomorrow, Saturday. 121 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,840 It's one day weekend, one day weekend, no Labor Day weekend. 122 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,560 And I saw him again on Saturday, and they were out there 123 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,320 battling. And I remember saying, like, I 124 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,720 want to do a movie about this because this is a world that 125 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,560 people don't know about and people need to know about, you 126 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,840 know? So, yeah, cut to what, 20 years 127 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:29,480 later, I've been choreographing a whole bunch of music videos 128 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:35,200 and a bunch of movies and I really wanted to start taking 129 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,840 directing seriously. And there's. 130 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:41,559 And so I thought, well, maybe I could do a documentary on these 131 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:47,400 guys, you know, And I, my producers came Jordan, Jordan 132 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:54,600 fitting and came on and my DP John, John, I got thing. 133 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:57,720 What is John's last name? Oh, I'll get it, I'll get it. 134 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,400 I got it. I know what John's last name. 135 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:00,280 Bang it. Dang it, Dang it. 136 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,760 Hold on one SEC. Orphan John. 137 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,280 Orphan John Orphan came and we all went down to Atlanta and I 138 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:10,640 had some crews already lined up to talk to and they end up 139 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,560 saying we're not interested. What? 140 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,920 Whoa, Mind you, I had hired everybody, cameras, everything, 141 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,960 brought everything down to Atlanta thinking that everybody 142 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,400 would be like excited to get, you know, to have the movie done 143 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,440 about them. And they were like, no, we we 144 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,800 don't want to be made of. We're not. 145 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,920 We're not looking to be, you know, mockery of and and and, 146 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,360 you know, people will see us as like just boys and booty shorts 147 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,760 and lashes. And, you know, we're more than 148 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,240 that. And I and I was like, yeah, you 149 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,080 are. And that's why you should let me 150 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,640 tell this because I'm not interested in doing making you 151 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,080 guys look like buffoons or you know what I mean? 152 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,080 Like something that they were, you know, characters. 153 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,560 That's that's what they're afraid of. 154 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,840 And I said, that's not my interest. 155 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:04,320 I said, I'm a dancer. So I know what the passion, but 156 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,880 you, what kind of passion you have to have to be able to do 157 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,040 this stuff. Yeah. 158 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,960 What kind of passion you have to do to stay out in the club. 159 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,320 So 2:00 and 3:00 in the morning till everybody goes home. 160 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:14,960 So you could do this particular dance. 161 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,240 So it just meant so much to me. And it was deeper than just, you 162 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,960 know, telling their stories, although their stories were 163 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,280 amazing. And I knew you would really get 164 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,400 to the grid of it. If they can just trust me, they 165 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,200 end up doing it and we end up having an amazing movie. 166 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,800 I'm so proud of that. Me too. 167 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,120 Yeah. It was a good movie. 168 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,880 I watched it before, before we did this show. 169 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:37,560 So they weren't, they weren't worried about you making them 170 00:10:37,560 --> 00:10:39,560 look like funny, foolish or anything like that. 171 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:41,920 They were just worried about the the reception of the movie. 172 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:43,880 They were, they were worried about me. 173 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,520 They didn't know me. So that I was going to just, you 174 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:54,440 know, do some sort of like TV, you know, reality type thing 175 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,320 where they're, you know, bitching against each other, you 176 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,920 know, I mean, like, so I wasn't interested in that, you know, so 177 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,600 they didn't want to want, they were really serious about what 178 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:09,920 what they do in their craft and they wanted the movie to reflect 179 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:11,560 that. And I'm like, that's, that's 180 00:11:11,560 --> 00:11:16,440 what I'm trying to do, you know. And so slowly I, I gained their 181 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,280 trust as we started filming and they started to see what I was 182 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,360 doing and the questions that I was interested in asking them. 183 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,400 And yeah, so that that's how it all came about. 184 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:33,280 Yeah, and I unfortunately, DeMarcus is a heterosexual. 185 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,960 Wait a minute. Yeah, let me log off. 186 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,400 Let. Me log off minute came from 187 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,080 straight people without us there is no you we. 188 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,960 Didn't ask for that. So but DeMarcus, I haven't 189 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,760 actually since you saw the movie, what did you think about 190 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:00,400 like this J sex scene and how did it resonate with you? 191 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:06,040 So I actually have seen like, I haven't seen like a full battle, 192 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,400 but I've seen like Jay setting in the street before. 193 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,160 And I was like, oh, my folks dancing in the street. 194 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,280 This is Atlanta. It happens. 195 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,880 I kept on driving in in the movie. 196 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,880 I'm like, I was like, wait a minute. 197 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,680 I was like, Oh, that's, but this, I was like, Oh, this is 198 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:21,480 hella dope because I can't dance like that. 199 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,160 I was like, you know, I'm not throwing my legs in the air, 200 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,840 hidden flips and stuff. So I was impressed. 201 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,240 I was like, I was like the strength, like you were saying, 202 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,000 Jamal, just like, yo, the the commitment, the passion, like 203 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,360 I've been in the band. We've done like, you know, like 204 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,200 dance dance sets or whatever. And like, I know how much that 205 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,680 took out of meat to get that stuff right. 206 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:46,880 And then to do this, you know, I was like, this is like levels 207 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,200 and like magnitudes beyond what I was doing. 208 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:51,760 So yeah, I was, I was just impressed. 209 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,960 And I was like, I was like, I want to go like the club. 210 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,160 I don't think the club is there no more. 211 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,520 I think like, no more. It's like I want to go see some 212 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,720 of this stuff live. Yeah, yeah. 213 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,000 And that's that's the whole point. 214 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,040 And, you know, it's so cool to hear, you know, a straight 215 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,280 perspective too. Like, you know, although, you 216 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,840 know, you know, this the, the subjects were queer. 217 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,280 I felt like it was like a universal story that anybody can 218 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,360 relate to. If you have a passion to do 219 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,840 whatever it is, play instruments, dance, play sports 220 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,720 or whatever this is, that that's really what the message is, is 221 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,160 that, you know, against all odds, go do it. 222 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,240 Like I don't care what people, if the people say it's for girls 223 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,080 or if they say, you know, you're too short or whatever it is, 224 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,840 like it's, it's for everybody. Yeah, absolutely. 225 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,720 Yeah. And I, I remember those 226 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,600 conversations with, like, now he was like, I'm a school teacher. 227 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,880 I can't be having everything on me. 228 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,600 But yeah, he was really interested because, you know, it 229 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,320 pushed the culture forward. And I think that he wanted to 230 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,800 tell that story as well. So fantastic, Fantastic 231 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,960 documentary. Thank you. 232 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:02,200 All right, so we have to turn to miss RuPaul's Drag Race. 233 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,960 Now. Honey, I hope you have gone from 234 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:14,240 choreographer to a guest judge. I always wanted to know what is 235 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,880 it like because you have choreographed professional 236 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,240 dancers who trained their whole lives and then going to 237 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,320 choreographed for these drag Queens that you know may not 238 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,240 have danced ever. So how is it where you have to 239 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:34,200 get them to get it in the short amount of time and the the the 240 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,560 comparison between the two? You want to know the truth. 241 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,120 You want me to give you the PCs and not you called the truth. 242 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,600 The truth is it is. It's terrifying because I'll 243 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:52,920 tell you why. You know, I because I come from 244 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,720 dance. I know what it is to, you know, 245 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,720 to be in competition and to be not only be in a competition, 246 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,960 but have the cameras on you while you're in a competition. 247 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:06,800 Yeah. You know, there's like another 248 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:12,280 level of of insecurities and then you're asked to dance. 249 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,800 Well, a lot of these Queens, if you turn on a record, they will 250 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,840 perform their ass off. Like they will do the things, 251 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,960 but some of them don't know how to catch on to choreography. 252 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,880 That's different than just going out and freestyle and then doing 253 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,160 your thing. But when you ask them to do a 254 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,080 choreographed step, something, you know, that has a sequence 255 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,480 that you have to, you know, be sharp and watch the lines and do 256 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,680 the things, it becomes something else. 257 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,200 And so I'm always walking in, like, I know they're terrified, 258 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,880 but I'm terrified because I want them to look good. 259 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,880 I don't want them to look bad at all. 260 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,560 So we meet and we're looking at each other like, I'm fearful. 261 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,840 They're fearful. I'm like, we got to get through 262 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:52,880 this. Yeah. 263 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:58,400 Oh. And so I'm always really amazed 264 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,000 how they just pull it out like, no, you know, like, at the end 265 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,280 of the day, you know, they're performers. 266 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,320 They get over their fears and all. 267 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,040 Even if they can't dance, they'll figure out something, 268 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,400 you know? We'll figure out some way to 269 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,800 work it out where they feel good to perform, you know? 270 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,680 Nice. I will never forget how you said 271 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,600 learn these dance moves and it throw them out the window 272 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,360 because your performance is all that matters. 273 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:32,560 And you always, I think that you always give them such a great 274 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,680 criticism when you're judging them, you know, to say you don't 275 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,600 keep going forward, keep doing what you're doing, even with 276 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,440 people who don't necessarily reform the best. 277 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,560 You are always, always encouraging. 278 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,000 So thank you. That means a lot. 279 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,240 That means a lot. You know, like I said, they're 280 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,560 under the gun. They're under the pressure. 281 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,840 The pressure is real. And I feel it. 282 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,600 I I feel it. And I'm like, if I could be the 283 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,880 one bit of light, you know, that, that they're like, OK, 284 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:06,160 well, at least we know he's not trying to, you know, sabotage 285 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,640 us. You know, that's, that's the, 286 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,560 that's what I want to be and that's what I want to be. 287 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,079 That's cool. So in that situation, is it? 288 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:15,720 Is it, is it like a learn the rules so you can like break the 289 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,400 rules kind of situation? Yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, 290 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,079 no, you know, but obviously when you're choreographing with a 291 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,440 group, I mean when you're dancing choreography with the 292 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,280 group, you have to stay in in line, you know what I mean? 293 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,840 You, you can't just go about and do your own thing. 294 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,080 But I do say make it your own, you know? 295 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,160 And so, you know, if you're doing it, if it's sexy, be sexy. 296 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,560 If you're a sex kitten, you know, make it sexy. 297 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,400 If you're a comedy queen, then you can be funny while you do 298 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,320 the moves, but the moves have to be there, you know? 299 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,680 So the framework definitely there. 300 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,240 Put yourself inside of it, not just disregard what we did, you 301 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,920 know? Yeah. 302 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,640 OK. I just want to ask you a 303 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,200 question that we normally ask our guest and give these 304 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,160 episodes. How has your previous week been 305 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,320 like? What have you been up to? 306 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,760 Oh good, that's a good. That's a good question. 307 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,720 Well, you know, right now we are putting some finishing touches 308 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,760 on our script, which is that you mentioned in the beginning that 309 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,680 I'm so excited about to be directing this feature film 310 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,920 major. So so we're doing that and also 311 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:32,760 we're gearing up for season 19 of Drag Race, so we're about to 312 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,280 start filming pretty soon. So we've been like discussing, 313 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,600 you know, all the things that are coming up and just kind of 314 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,840 pre production. Yeah, nice. 315 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:44,320 OK. OK. 316 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:49,440 That's nice. That's nice, DeMarcus. 317 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:52,960 It's a time to move to the next segment. 318 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,920 They'll put you on segment which is sponsored by. 319 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:03,640 To ask the question over here. I guess. 320 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,120 So when you, when you're doing your choreography, whether it's 321 00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:13,600 like for movies or like the stage, like is it like, what do 322 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,240 you think? What's what's going on in your 323 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:16,360 mind? What are you thinking? 324 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,480 Because, and I'm asking from the perspective like Step up was 325 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,320 like one of the first dancing movies that I've seen and that 326 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,240 made me want to dance. And I used to watch it like, 327 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,720 like I'm again, I'm feeling a killer with this one. 328 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,680 And so I feel very inspired seeing your word like, so is, is 329 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:35,960 that something that's in your mind? 330 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,280 Like where? Where does it all come from? 331 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,400 You know, I, like I said, I watching The Wiz. 332 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,160 Was it a movie? I saw it in the theater when it 333 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,880 first came out in the theater. So that's how old I am. 334 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,680 But I when I, when I saw it, I just wanted to, I wanted to run 335 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,480 out on the street and do what they were doing on the street. 336 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,800 So that inspired me to do what I'm doing now. 337 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,000 So whenever I do films and you just said it like that is the 338 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,200 only thing that's on my mind. How? 339 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,560 How can I inspire? Like the younger generation to 340 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,240 want to get up and, and dance and, or even the older 341 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,960 generation whatever to eat. Just the audience in general. 342 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,400 I want them to be sitting in theater and want to get up and 343 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:26,440 do it, you know, So I don't want it to be so, so deep. 344 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,160 And sometimes choreography can get really internal and really 345 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,720 small. And you got to say, what did 346 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,400 that mean? I just want it to be in your 347 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,520 face joyful and be like, I could do that. 348 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,440 I want to get up and you know what I mean? 349 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,320 That's that's, that's really what I'm looking for when I set 350 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:45,680 out to do these films. Obviously the storyline, yeah, 351 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,480 you know, you have to, you know, think about what, you know, 352 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,520 where we are in the story. But you know, ultimately those 353 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,400 movies, the dance is the main character, you know, because, 354 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,760 you know, you, you know, every time, you know, you have a 355 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,240 couple lines and then they dance and then a couple lines and then 356 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,320 they dance. So you know that that the dance 357 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,920 movies that the the choreography is carrying them. 358 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:15,560 So how do you tell the story through dance or is it like a 359 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,040 separate conversation? Because I've noticed that you're 360 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,360 dancing is so joyful. That is like the if I were to 361 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,880 say something, I'll say Jamal selves dances joyfully, like the 362 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,320 brand new day choreography once the witch dies. 363 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,880 And but like my question is, how do you step out of that way? 364 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,520 You're doing something like Encanto or Hairspray or Aladdin 365 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,560 where you have to tell some of the narrative parts. 366 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,920 Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, that's where 367 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,680 that, you know, that's where the the directing comes in and the 368 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,000 director side of me comes in, you know, because, you know, 369 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,440 obviously I, I have to read the scripts. 370 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,800 I have to understand where the characters are and where they 371 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,160 are before the song starts and where they are after the song 372 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,360 starts. And a lot of story is in 373 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:07,840 between. So if I know where they are at 374 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:13,600 any one moment in the in the song, I'll know what the 375 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,160 characters should be doing and what types of moves they should 376 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,120 be doing. You know, are they sad at the 377 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:21,640 beginning and then they end up and they're in love at the end? 378 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,160 I know what that movement should feel like and how that 379 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,920 transition should go. So. 380 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,400 So, yeah. So that's what I'm doing all the 381 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,240 time. You know, I'm really diving into 382 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,280 the script, talking to the directors, whoever's directing 383 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,440 and finding out, you know, what what they want from it and what 384 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,880 the actors won't need, you know. So there's a lot that goes into 385 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,080 it. It's not Just Dance. 386 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,080 But what I'll do is I will build like a skeleton and then start 387 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,400 to see what feels right to either the actors or the 388 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,760 animators or whoever we're talking, you know, talking about 389 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,280 that with with Encanto. They gave me the script and they 390 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,680 were like just go. OK. 391 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,720 Yeah, just go create. And it's funny about that is 392 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:14,760 that they gave me the demo to Bruno to we don't talk about 393 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,720 Bruno. And it had and it was Lin Manuel 394 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,760 singing every part, everybody's part on the song. 395 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,960 So I don't hear when when Mirabelle comes in, I don't know 396 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,400 who's, you know, when they're this sounds like one voice. 397 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,160 So I'm in the studio like this don't sound like a whole bunch 398 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,920 of different people talking and go back in and like read like, 399 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,280 OK, this person says this line. You know, it was really that 400 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:48,400 that was a challenge, but probably one of the most 401 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:55,160 rewarding projects that worked. On an iconic project. 402 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,400 I got another question that we don't have to We still got time. 403 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,200 Where do you? Ask whatever you want to. 404 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,600 Where do you find the moves? I'm sure at this point you have 405 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,760 experienced, you're like, oh, I know what you know, dancing in 406 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,560 love looks like. I know what a sad dance looks 407 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,280 like. But where do you find the moves 408 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,000 is just like throughout your day-to-day life? 409 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,800 Like, are you, you know, is there like a big book of dance 410 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,040 somewhere that we don't know about? 411 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,560 You know, I wish there was. I wouldn't find that book. 412 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,360 You know, it's, it's funny because I think over the years 413 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:31,800 you just develop a catalog of, of moves. 414 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,720 And even if it's not the same, it could kind of feel like 415 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,560 something that you've already done, you know, and I, I hate, I 416 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,720 call it rehashing choreography that I've already done, but 417 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,880 there might be a feeling that I was trying to do with a certain 418 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,320 move. And I can say, Oh, well, I could 419 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,560 kind of flip that and maybe turn it. 420 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,000 So make this arm go up and you know what I mean? 421 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,000 And just make it look a little different so we can kind of feel 422 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,200 the same. So it really depends. 423 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:02,880 I can be inspired by kids on the street, you know, my nieces and 424 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,320 nephews dancing around the house. 425 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,520 That can inspire me. My mom and dad actually, when I 426 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,760 did hair spray, Adam Shankman was a choreographer. 427 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,000 I was associate choreographer. So when, you know, I was doing 428 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:23,400 mostly the black dancing in the movie and, and so I got my aunts 429 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:28,200 and uncles that were around in the 50s and the 60s to come in 430 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,200 to come. I went to their house and they 431 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,360 all started getting up and I was like, OK, what's that dance 432 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:33,600 called? They were OK, this is the Mashed 433 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,920 potato and you're doing the, the holy golly. 434 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,080 I, I learned all these dances. And that's kind of what you see 435 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,800 in Hairspray when they start dancing. 436 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,760 It's just my aunts and uncles dancing and the, my mom's 437 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,560 getting. Did you do the part? 438 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,760 Where it's like the three girls who were Saggy. 439 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,600 Did you do their Yes, I love that part. 440 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:57,760 I love that part. OK, I can say I. 441 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,480 Do love that part I I couldn't wait to get to that part. 442 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,240 Yes, yes. OK, I got to ask you one more 443 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,520 question too, because your fingers on the post more than 444 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,360 mine. We all saw Beyoncé's amazing 445 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,400 Coachella performance that she did a couple years ago. 446 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,640 That was again another unmod shoot at HBCU. 447 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,560 Hampton University was of course honored in her presentation. 448 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,480 I want to just, I don't know if you, well, you probably did. 449 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:34,280 Justin Bieber recently was at Coachella and his performance 450 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,240 was just him a stool and YouTube. 451 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:44,160 So I'm like, is there something I'm missing in the quality of 452 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,600 his performance or is it going down? 453 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:52,320 Am I uneducated on what's happening or is because like 454 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,480 apparently he was also paid $10 million to do this performance 455 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,400 and he's probably going to do it again this weekend. 456 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,400 So is it something I'm missing from what the new kids want to 457 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,000 see? You know I. 458 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,720 Think you know, because I don't know anything about this 459 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,200 performance. I don't, I, I didn't even even 460 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:13,520 find out your this is news to me what you're telling me about. 461 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,080 But I will say that he did something similar at the Grammys 462 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,320 where he was just out there, right? 463 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,840 He was the underwear stripped down. 464 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,640 And it was. Just him creating the thing. 465 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,880 And I think that kind of comes, you know, for me, that Grammy 466 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:34,880 performance felt like, you know, after so many years of being, 467 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,360 you know, doing these big shows and doing all the choreo and 468 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,560 choreography and, you know, the staging. 469 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,280 And sometimes maybe these performers just want to do their 470 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:51,560 music and they don't want a whole bunch of flash and pop in 471 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,680 circumstance, you know what I mean? 472 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,000 Like, like they just want to strip it down. 473 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,480 And that's what it feels like he's going through that. 474 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,680 I don't know that the audience wants to, you know, to do that. 475 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,120 But, but obviously, you know what I mean there there's, you 476 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:15,520 know, and then I also feel like today's appetite for like the 477 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,840 OR, or, or their, the level of, of show, there's not really a 478 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,120 high standard for that any longer. 479 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:26,440 I think that it's kind of starts to starts to go down. 480 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,160 Anytime Beyoncé comes out, it pops back up and everybody's 481 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,640 like, oh, that's what a show should look like, but we should 482 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,800 step aside. It all starts to go down a 483 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,480 little bit. I, I've noticed that, you know 484 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,360 what I mean? Like, the same level of 485 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,440 spectacle is not the same, you know? 486 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,120 And so, so, yeah, I think we are missing it because we kind of 487 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:53,240 grew up with Michael and Janet and, you know, so we know those 488 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,920 performances how they should be. But, you know, the kids don't 489 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,080 seem to too much care, you know what I mean? 490 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,880 It's not on that level. And that's what I think. 491 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,240 OK, well let's move on. I think I'm wrong. 492 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,880 No, no, I don't because. Beyoncé. 493 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,520 No, no, Beyoncé stands. Up there for 30 minutes and she 494 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,360 will just bail out a couple of numbers before she moves on to 495 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,840 during the Beyoncé thing. But then you have Usher, who is 496 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,160 up there, similar age, and he is on there in roller skates. 497 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,280 He got stripper poles. He's doing the things. 498 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:37,760 So like Justin Bieber did that in the past, but he has chosen 499 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,400 to do something where it's like him and he's showing some clips 500 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,200 of of the baby video on some memes and other things that 501 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,520 really aren't of his. Him performing but. 502 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,440 They are, you know, part of who he. 503 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,560 Is yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You get it? 504 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,120 Yeah. I don't know. 505 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,640 I don't know what people are thinking about. 506 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,840 OK, I agree with you. I like to. 507 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,040 See, I like to see a whole performance. 508 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,200 I want to see a show. I want backup dancers. 509 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,440 I want to throw a flip in there somewhere. 510 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,480 Pyro fire. All of it. 511 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,560 All of it. Yeah, No, me too. 512 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,400 Me too. OK, now we. 513 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,240 Can go ahead and move on to our Put You on segment Jamal, this 514 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,480 is a segment where we like to tell our audience something that 515 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,200 we really, really, really enjoyed this past week where 516 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,560 there's ATV show, a movie, a restaurant, anything we really 517 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,440 enjoyed this week and this is of course sponsored by our good 518 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,440 friends at MoviePass. DeMarcus, can you tell them 519 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,320 about MoviePass, please? Absolutely so. 520 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,480 MoviePass is a a subscription based service meant to make 521 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,800 movie going more affordable and more accessible for the everyday 522 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,040 person. I don't know when the last time 523 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,920 you've been to the movies, but the last time I went to the 524 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,520 movies and like actually use my own money. 525 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,240 I pay like $20 a ticket, you know, you know, I didn't go by 526 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,600 myself. So I'm pissing like $40 snacks 527 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,200 and stuff like the bill goes up. The movies used to be like a 528 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,040 nice like casual day. Now I'm putting on a suit 529 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:19,240 because I'm finishing up. You have to but with. 530 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,480 Movie. Pass You pay. 531 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,160 You pay your subscription, which could be as low as $10 a month, 532 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,360 and you get a number of movie credits and you can use those 533 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,280 credits to see multiple movies per month. 534 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,800 Even at that $10 here, I used to use it before we were sponsored 535 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,640 and I could see two to three movies, sometimes 4 movies a 536 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,200 month for $10 man. You use it once and it's. 537 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,040 Paying for itself and I talk about this every week and y'all 538 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,840 are still. How much more do you want to 539 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,640 know the? The other good thing about 540 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,080 Moviefest I just now discovered because last time I discovered 541 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,520 that you know, you use the card with the Regal app or with 542 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,160 whoever you see the movie with. So you still get points. 543 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,040 So you can go in there and get your free popcorn with the 544 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,560 points that you get. This week I've started actually 545 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,840 buying tickets for black movies that I'm not going to see like 546 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,760 you, me and Tuscany. I'm not going to see that movie 547 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,600 in theaters. You know I'm not a lovey dovey 548 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:27,040 type person but I want Chloe to succeed and I want black movies 549 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,400 to continue. So I have pop bought multiple 550 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,240 tickets even though I am not seeing it because that 800 I 551 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,240 have 800 points. They just go to waste every 552 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,920 week. Might as well use them and 553 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,640 support movies that need to be supported. 554 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,000 So that is another great thing I'm using with MoviePass. 555 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,080 I love. That this week. 556 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,760 I want to put everybody on to jury duty company. 557 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,000 We're treats this is on Prime Video. 558 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,480 Last season, their first season, they did a little it was like 559 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,840 kind of like candy camera where they followed this guy who was 560 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,760 on jury duty and they revealed he was on jury duty after three 561 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,080 days. This time was the guy who has 562 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,520 got a job that's a temp for a hot sauce company. 563 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:22,240 And it really shows all of the mishaps and things that happened 564 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,680 at this company retreat. It is hilarious. 565 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,160 They just released the behind the scenes where he meets the 566 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,120 person from the first season and more scenes with more funny 567 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,000 stuff. But there was this one scene 568 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,960 where they had to do all these seminars and the guy was talking 569 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,320 about how the guy who do who's doing a seminar was talking 570 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,560 about how he was scaling Mount Everest. 571 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,280 He got frostbite in his nether region and he had to actually 572 00:33:53,280 --> 00:34:00,200 cut off his scrotum because the frostbite was going and he was 573 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,560 screaming. And the day he made everybody 574 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,600 who was attending the seminar scream and it was hilarious. 575 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:12,440 So yes, what jury duty company retreats. 576 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,760 It is a great, great movie. What is it all? 577 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:21,080 It is. On Prime Video OK OK yeah yeah. 578 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,239 DeMarcus, what about you? What do you have to put them on 579 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,120 to this week? So I. 580 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,360 Don't know if we've talked. About this one before, but I've 581 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,320 been binging culinary class wars we have. 582 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,440 We talked about it multiple times. 583 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,800 I talked about it. You talked about it. 584 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,600 We could talk about it. This show, Yeah. 585 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,199 So I'll talk about. It for a third time, Culinary 586 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:48,719 Class Wars is a Korean cooking competition show where they have 587 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,719 big name Korean chefs. These are people who are 588 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,000 established multiple Michelin stars, multiple restaurants, 589 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,160 hugely successful competing against up and coming chefs. 590 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,640 So there there might not be some of them. 591 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:06,200 Them are like also. Have big names. 592 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,840 On a restaurant that is like packed out every day of the 593 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,520 week. Some of them are just like, I 594 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,920 mean, I cook on YouTube and I have a great time. 595 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,280 Most are just mom and. Pop stores, right? 596 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,320 Yeah, and. So. 597 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:22,160 They, they, they're competing against each other like the, 598 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,360 the, the low, the low grade ones are like the, the black spoons, 599 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,960 the Michelin star ones are like the white spoons. 600 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,520 And they're competing to see who is the best chef. 601 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,920 And the judges on the this show are throat. 602 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,120 They they are. Cut throat like. 603 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,320 There's one that's like a very, he's like a elite class. 604 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,440 Like he only has like Michelin star restaurants and like only 605 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,720 does fine dining. And he will taste their food and 606 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:54,720 be like, no, yeah, the guy. It's. 607 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,920 Much more like. Relaxed and chill but still very 608 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,280 cut throat. Like I see I saw one episode and 609 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,200 the guy like made a chicken sandwich like macaroni and 610 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,640 stuff. He's like they're telling his 611 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,520 whole story and he spent like 5 minutes on this guy. 612 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,400 The judge comes up by some sandwich. 613 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,400 He's like, I expected so much more and this is just a chicken 614 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:16,240 sandwich. It is. 615 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,160 It is. It is a. 616 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,800 Great. An amazing show, yeah. 617 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:26,240 The story I like to. Tell is that the the the the 618 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,480 first episode they did this whole story about how one of 619 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,960 these chefs, he had to get this apple. 620 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,880 He was taking the sugars from the apple. 621 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:41,120 He was making it into this candied apple thing and he had 622 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,240 to take the colors from the apple and he had to extract all 623 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:47,080 the apple essence and put it in there that he made an apple 624 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:53,560 phone from the apple pulp. And and when the judge bit into 625 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,320 this candy apple of an apple, it looks amazing. 626 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,120 And he was known for making this apple in Korea. 627 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,720 He bit it and says taste like an apple. 628 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:09,400 Yeah, you can go on home now. He said it's it was one note, He 629 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,920 said. I would rather have had the 630 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,120 apple. Yes, he said that I was. 631 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,440 Like wow, it took like that life work. 632 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:22,080 Yes it took him like 3 years to develop this technique and he 633 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,240 was like tastes like an apple. Awful. 634 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,960 Yeah, and one more note on the show. 635 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,720 You have to. When a chef comes up and says, 636 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:31,680 oh, my restaurant has been packed for months. 637 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,920 I've never had an empty seat. You got to look up the 638 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,440 restaurant because. I did that. 639 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,640 Before Little Bitty Restaurant the tables like I'm like cooked 640 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,640 out. You can't see nobody in there. 641 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,720 Of course it's back, right? That's. 642 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,360 Funny. Oh, yeah, I have to check it 643 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,160 out. I have to check that out. 644 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,320 It sounds fun. OK, Jamal. 645 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,120 What do you have to put our listeners on to this week? 646 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,000 Well. Well, what I've been binging 647 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,560 since you were talking about that I've been binging old, old 648 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:10,600 episodes of Project Runway. I I can't I. 649 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,840 Can't get enough like I cannot like I'll, I'll turn on the 650 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,000 episode and I end up watching like 3 or 4 episodes, I promise 651 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,440 every night. So there's that. 652 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:26,320 But yeah, it, it, it's, it's it, it's probably, you know, Drag 653 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,280 Race, you know, feels very Project Runway. 654 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,560 It feels like the same type of type of energy, right? 655 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,720 But just to see what the, you know, what we can do, you know, 656 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:41,800 these, these talented designers come up with, you know, you 657 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,520 know, just giving some vegetables and you know, they 658 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,280 make a dress and you know, it's, it's incredible. 659 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,520 I, I love seeing that stuff. Creativity is I'm always going 660 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:58,920 to like, yeah, yeah, I, I. Used to love Project Runway 661 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,600 after Christian Serranio season. Yeah, it was. 662 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,040 Why even go back? But I do need to go back and 663 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:12,000 delve back in there. You don't know Christian. 664 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,120 Sounds like one way. Don't do like that, OK? 665 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,560 I'm worldly, I. Have experience? 666 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,800 Do you know about Christine? Serranio No, I don't know the 667 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,680 people's names. OK. 668 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:26,440 Not all that, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 669 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,400 But I'm saying Project Runway. Yeah. 670 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,280 I think that he. Is like a a judge on Project 671 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,920 Runway the host now? Yeah, he's he's like the. 672 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,040 Tim. Tim, Yeah. 673 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,840 Tim yeah, he's he's, he takes he. 674 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,880 Took his position, OK, OK, but. I it kind of coaches the the. 675 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,400 The designer and stuff like that, but he has made dresses. 676 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,760 For Michelle Obama, for a bunch of people, I think that Beyoncé 677 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,240 had worn her him before. He is an amazing, amazing 678 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,600 dressmaker. I also. 679 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:08,280 I also started DJ ING this. I bought my my my. 680 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,480 Every I put all the equipment and so that's a new passion for 681 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,440 me and I, I cannot wait to to DJ my first party and it's coming 682 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:17,960 up. I have one, I have a big one 683 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,200 coming up. So yeah, yeah, I'm getting in 684 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,200 there. I'm getting into pain. 685 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,760 Do you have any like? Online sets? 686 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,360 Any live mixes we can check out? I have. 687 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,480 I haven't even. Literally this week I just got 688 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,840 my equipment. I'm starting. 689 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,160 OK, OK. I mean, you know, obviously I 690 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,360 love music and I've been around music all my life and, you know, 691 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:44,920 just working out with a couple of my friends that are DJs, you 692 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:50,040 know, I I just understood what it is, you know, and, and it 693 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,480 feels very natural to who I am. So hopefully I'll, you know, 694 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,960 I'll be alright When, when, you know, it comes around. 695 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,320 And yeah, yeah, I'm going to do some stuff in my backyard, have 696 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,360 a couple people over and, you know, I'm just practice. 697 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,880 There you go. Yeah, yeah. 698 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,600 I just listen to Kid Fury's podcast about being out there in 699 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,160 a music scene. He's like childish people don't 700 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,040 know what they doing. So I'm glad that they are going 701 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,320 to be more DJs out in that scene for him. 702 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,040 Absolutely. All right, DeMarcus. 703 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,760 Do we have an activity for this week? 704 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,160 Of course we have an. Activity all right and it it is 705 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,880 your first time joining us the way activities and games work 706 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:37,000 here on Black geek energy is DeMarcus is the game master the 707 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,040 the head honcho the the the HNIC when it comes to pain and 708 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,520 activity here on black energy so that means I come up with the 709 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,400 games I come up with the questions the answers I decide 710 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:54,000 who's right who's wrong who wins who loses it's all up to me God 711 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,040 and. He's saying this because he 712 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,800 knows he's going to embarrass me, these guys. 713 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:02,400 Get to embarrass you, Jerry, and you say this all the time and if 714 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,000 you keep saying that people are going to believe you that's my. 715 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,800 Assaults. To get the evidence. 716 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,080 So any way. The game today is. 717 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,320 Going to be called choreo or cap what I'm. 718 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,440 Going to do is. I am going to give you a 719 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:23,520 statement about choreography and you all will tell me if it is 720 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,720 real, if it is choreo or if it is cap, if it is, if it's fake. 721 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,640 When you say cat is like catfish, cap cap oh. 722 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,640 Cat isn't. A lot, yeah. 723 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:35,640 Yeah. Not true. 724 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:36,600 That's how old I am. Yeah. 725 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,640 I'm barely keeping up with lingo. 726 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,440 Too, I can't hang with these Y NS wario cap. 727 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:50,520 I got it. Wario cap All right, OK, I'm. 728 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,200 We're going to go, We're going to go one for one. 729 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,480 I'm thinking of a number between 1:00 and 4:00. 730 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,680 I will. Abstain and I will let Jamal go 731 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,200 first if he wants to outracious I'm. 732 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,760 Going to say 1. All right. 733 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,320 OK, OK. 1. That's the best number. 734 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,720 OK, great, Jamal. We'll let. 735 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:15,360 You go first. OK, All right, So the first one 736 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,760 here. Choreographers will sometimes 737 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,920 create fake mistakes in routines on purpose to make performances 738 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,080 feel more human and less robotic. 739 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,240 Cap. Cap OK. 740 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:36,040 OK, this one is real. Is is what it says. 741 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,480 And the. This is a great entry point to 742 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,840 talk about performance versus perfection and how things that 743 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,840 are too clean can feel unnatural. 744 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,400 Is this, do you, have you seen this in your experience? 745 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,880 I have never. Well, OK. 746 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,640 This, this, this is the thing. If we're talking films and if 747 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,880 it's a part of the story in a film, yes, I've choreographed 748 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,520 things that felt not good because they have to show 749 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,760 there's progression over time, right? 750 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,760 But on stage, never have I ever met performer, and I've worked 751 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,240 with a lot of them. That said, I want to mess up so 752 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:21,000 it looks more real. Fair enough. 753 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:28,480 Yeah, all right, all right. Jared #2 Backup dancers are 754 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,560 often told to intentionally hold back their energies so they 755 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,920 don't outshine the main artists on stage. 756 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,160 False. That's cap. 757 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:40,000 That's cap. I never told that backup dancers 758 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,520 better outperform. And you know who they're not 759 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,080 going to outperform? Because if I get on that. 760 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,120 Stage I will not be outperformed by anybody. 761 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:53,800 OK. Is that? 762 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,960 So this has never happened you that you guys don't want the the 763 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,920 backup to like let the let the front person shine. 764 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,800 No, it's happened. Before. 765 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,040 Oh, really? Oh yeah. 766 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,200 Oh wow. This one says it's real. 767 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,320 Oh yeah. Yeah, I've been told by an 768 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,280 artist which dancers are the worst ones. 769 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,680 And then I'm like, why don't hire bad dancers? 770 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,640 They're like, they're like, we'll put the worst ones by me 771 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,760 so I look better, you know? What I mean? 772 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,320 Yeah. So, so this, this, you know, you 773 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,280 find that, you know, there's a lot of insecurities with 774 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,160 artists, you know, and so you kind of have to just. 775 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,240 Go over, you know, rock. With it, you know, hold their 776 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,040 egos. Yeah, yeah. 777 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,560 I'm not going to be outshine. By nobody on those. 778 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,440 Right, all right, mall #3 back to you. 779 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,720 Most viral TikTok dances are created by the artist official 780 00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:00,120 choreographer as part of the marketing rollout. 781 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:04,520 That's. Cap. 782 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,200 Yeah, Well, that is Cap. That is great. 783 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,080 Have you have you ever choreographed the TikTok bands? 784 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,000 You know what? Anything that has caught on for 785 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,320 me, like all the things that have caught on for me have been 786 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:23,360 just through people doing the dances, like seeing the the like 787 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,280 the Hannah Montana hoe down, throw down. 788 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,840 The New Girl in town from Hairspray is a TikTok and that's 789 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,960 going on. There's Toni Braxton. 790 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,440 He wasn't man enough for me. But yeah, they're. 791 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,840 Doing. That and so it's just I never 792 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,920 intended it to be a TikTok thing, but it happens, you know, 793 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,240 so those are the the the that's that's what's so fun about that 794 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,200 whole thing, because I think when you go in with the 795 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,160 attention, like this has got to be a TikTok viral thing. 796 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,160 It don't happen. Let's go fly. 797 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,120 You know what I mean? Like you just got to go with 798 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,480 intention, you know, you just got to hope that people find it 799 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,960 and it resonates with someone that you know what I mean? 800 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,000 That's kind of how it's happening. 801 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,480 So pause. You did. 802 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,720 He wasn't bad enough for me. I did. 803 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,280 Wow. So how did you? 804 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:22,120 Feel that when that research with the breakup and show her 805 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,480 doing Tony stair. How did you feel with all that? 806 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,800 I love it. I love it every second of. 807 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,240 It because it was so long ago, you know, I did it with my 808 00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:35,120 partner at the time, Rizzo McCoy. 809 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,360 So we did it together. But yeah, I was, I was there. 810 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,120 We we were in there in the paint. 811 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,440 Yeah. The mower was like. 812 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,320 Hey, I did that. I didn't even know it was like, 813 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,920 gone viral until somebody was like, you know, these dances. 814 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,080 And I was like, oh, and I just saw them. 815 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,440 Yes, everybody. Was through. 816 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,640 I I did a scroll one time, just watched everybody do the dance. 817 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:05,280 I'm like, oh. This is cute. 818 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,120 Next one. Next one, Jerry. 819 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,360 We're back to you. In some professional routines, 820 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,840 dancers are choreographed to hit moves slightly before the beat 821 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,440 to make the performance feel sharper on camera. 822 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:24,480 Yikes. I don't know, I I don't know, I 823 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:31,640 don't know. I must say choreography, choreo. 824 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:37,640 Oh, OK. Because it does kind of look 825 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,160 that way on stage if you like. If you look at it then the 826 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,720 person watch, I don't know, it kind of looks, I don't know if 827 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,680 you look at the person on stage and did the video screen behind 828 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:52,200 him, it kind of looks like they're not synced up, but they 829 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,320 are synced up on the video thing. 830 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,320 So I don't know. Yeah, well, this. 831 00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,720 One does say. Real and this is this is. 832 00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:02,080 About. Musicality perception I think. 833 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,240 Like cuz sound travels slower than light or something like 834 00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:09,480 that. Wow, so is that. 835 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:13,760 Something that y'all do when y'all are it's never it never. 836 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:14,960 Never, never. Never. 837 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,800 Never. I don't know. 838 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,840 You know, it it you know, out of all the things I've done, I've 839 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,720 always done it on on the beat. Now live performances, there is 840 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:33,400 a delay in the in the music, you know, so sometimes the dancers 841 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,720 need to hear have in ears monitors so they could hear the 842 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:40,040 actual music. So everybody on time. 843 00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:44,960 But but as far as like, you know, hitting the beat prior to 844 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:49,880 so it looks extra sharp. That's never been a because. 845 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,600 You don't want to be. Ahead of the beat and people 846 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,480 recognize when you're off beat. You know one thing that even if 847 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,240 you have like 0 choreo experience, you'd be like oh 848 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:02,800 that's off beat, you know what I mean? 849 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,960 You don't want to be but before or after the beat, you know, you 850 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,720 want on the beat every time. Now you know, even for filming 851 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:18,200 wise, like there's there's tricks to to speed up the the 852 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,680 film. So I mean, when you, when you're 853 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,120 filming dance, there's there's tricks to slow down film, speed 854 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:29,440 it up to make it look sharper or make it look or, you know, but 855 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,520 that doesn't have anything to do with the tempo that you're 856 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,360 supposed to keep, you know, OK, OK. 857 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,880 Interesting. All right, we get we separating 858 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,120 the real from the fake for real. All right #5. 859 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,080 Or you. Jamal. 860 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,640 Choreographers sometimes build routine specifically to look 861 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,400 better on camera on camera angles, rather than look good 862 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:58,200 live. That's choreography, yeah, that 863 00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,120 is. That is real. 864 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:00,680 What is? What is that? 865 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:05,840 I feel like I see that when like, like I see like about 866 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,840 behind the scenes something or rather and you see and then show 867 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,360 you like the movie scene. I'm like, oh, this was really 868 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,240 good. And then they'll show you like 869 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,360 the set and I'm like, oh, what are they doing? 870 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,800 Absolutely. You know, West Side Story, 871 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,320 that's like, you know, when, when you watch West Side Story 872 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,760 and the dancing that Jerome Robbins, when he choreographed 873 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,000 it, he choreographed for camera, you know, walking, you know, 874 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,600 the, the cameras tracking with them and then they come down, 875 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,360 they drop down and, you know, they drop into the frame. 876 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:43,200 So you really feel the impact of, of, of the choreography. 877 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,280 Sometimes, I mean, directors will just film choreography here 878 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,120 and it's just kind of flat and you don't, it doesn't. 879 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,240 It doesn't. Penetrate the screen, right. 880 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:57,360 So when you want the the movement to feel like, oh, like 881 00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,520 I'm in it, I'm in the performance with them. 882 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,160 And for that you have to choreograph for the camera, and 883 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,200 then that's nice. All right, I I think that the 884 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,040 best. Choreography I've seen on camera 885 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,480 is was during adolescence, the school scene, because, you know, 886 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,680 it was all one, one shot, so it had to be choreographing. 887 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:21,200 It was so many different people moving and talking and going in 888 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,480 and out and going up and down stairs. 889 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,200 It was it was amazing how they did that. 890 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,520 Yeah, it's it's. It's a it's, it's definitely. 891 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,960 You know it when you see it. You know that. 892 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,040 Oh, they did that for the cat, Yeah. 893 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:41,160 Yeah, well, all right, Jared. Number six, freestyling, is 894 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,400 considered unprofessional in most commercial dance settings 895 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,640 and is usually discouraged during rehearsals. 896 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,280 I think that's cap. That's absolutely cap. 897 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,360 Yeah, that's the heartbeat of it all. 898 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,320 Right. Yeah, absolutely. 899 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:05,600 All right #7 Jamal, some choreographers create signature 900 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,960 moves in routines specifically so they can go viral or be 901 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:18,200 easily copied by fans. Look, I will say choreography, 902 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,680 because that's what people would like to think. 903 00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:27,880 And it, it this goes this, this is, it's kind of like the hook 904 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:31,040 of the song, right? So you kind of want to find 905 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,200 something that's to the hook of the song, whether it be this or 906 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:38,680 you know what I mean? And, and so you can hope that it 907 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,480 goes viral, but maybe people don't pick up on that part. 908 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,320 Maybe they pick up on this part, you know what I mean? 909 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:48,320 So you you can't really figure it out, but I think it is smart 910 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,160 to try and find little signature things. 911 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,240 When I choreographed ushers, you make me want to. 912 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:56,240 I was trying to think of like, what? 913 00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,200 What can people walk away with? And I was like, let's leave our 914 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,520 shoes on the floor. Like when we just what, when we 915 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,840 just finished the breakdown, we just going to take off our shoes 916 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,760 and walk away. And that was the thing, you 917 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,560 know, But I didn't wasn't sure that it was going to be a thing. 918 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,440 But it did end up being something that people imitated, 919 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,200 you know what I mean? So it's kind of like writing a 920 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,600 song. You want to find something 921 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,120 that's clever that people have never really seen before that 922 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,560 makes an impact. Yeah, absolutely. 923 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:25,640 Absolutely. And I love it. 924 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,160 I love, I love it when it's an easy move that I can do. 925 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,120 Yes, I can tell you one time. And I can just. 926 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,440 Like, take it home. Like yeah I can. 927 00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:39,000 I got this bug. All right, Jared, back to you 928 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,400 number. 8 Dancers often are often required to learn and 929 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:48,240 perform choreography mirrored on the opposite side, depending on 930 00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:53,760 the camera direction or staging. That's Cat. 931 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,960 Oh, this says that it's real. So like you, if you position on 932 00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:02,160 the right today, you got to know how to do those moves. 933 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,680 Like you didn't say that. What do you want me to? 934 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,960 Say. The. 935 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,920 The the dancer have. To learn though all the like, if 936 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,560 you're placed in a dance, you have to learn the left side, the 937 00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,000 right side, the front side, the backside. 938 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,400 You have to learn all the I I thought you would have known. 939 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,960 This all the years you spent in the band because you usually get 940 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,800 moved from squad 8 to squad 2 and then you got to go the 941 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,320 opposite way. I know this because. 942 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:36,040 I was the coordinator for Ebony Fire for 10 years. 943 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,240 We. Have to always pull. 944 00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:42,040 From one position to another position. 945 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,280 If a girl could not get her marks. 946 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,960 So yes, yeah. It was the way you worded. 947 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,640 That question it was. Very. 948 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,920 Excuses, OK. OK. 949 00:55:57,240 --> 00:56:00,360 All right #9. Wind it down, Jamal. 950 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,880 In professional choreography, facial expressions are usually 951 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,240 left completely up to the dancer and are really directed. 952 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:19,520 This, this is tricky because ordinary like on just a general, 953 00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,520 yes, it's left up to the dancers. 954 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,040 So that's choreography. But there are some. 955 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:30,960 Some numbers where they don't want to see, they want to see no 956 00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,960 expression on your face and that and that is something that's 957 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:36,840 specific. You know what I mean? 958 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:41,080 Like it's not like, you know, they they just want emotion, no 959 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,960 emotion and just let the dance be the emotion, the movement of 960 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,280 the body. So I've seen it both ways, but 961 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,680 I'm going to I'm going to say Corey Iron. 962 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,920 OK this. One says it's cap, but I believe 963 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,680 you. I've seen, I feel like I've seen 964 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,360 this both ways too. Like in like in some, like in 965 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,760 like even like even going to step up like they they got real, 966 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,920 you know, active with their faces. 967 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:06,200 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. 1000% But you know, you 968 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:11,560 know, I it's, it's, it's some, some choreographers don't like a 969 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,920 whole bunch of dancers doing expressions. 970 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,120 So they would like watch it, you know, like some people like, 971 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,640 yeah, I want you to feel it, feel, you know, let me see what 972 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,120 you're going through. You know, so I do think it's, 973 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,120 it's just kind of like the choice of the director, you 974 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,840 know, I know. Like if I'm, if I'm dancing like 975 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,200 are you, you go see it on my face. 976 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:42,120 I'm like alright. Alright dude, last. 1. 977 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,000 Some artists choose. Simpler choreography, not 978 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,480 because they can't do harder moves, but because it connects 979 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:54,120 better with audiences. I'm going to say. 980 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,160 Cory choreo. I'm going to say choreo because 981 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:04,480 I've seen like, you know, he did a bookie, bookie Boo, that was. 982 00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,320 And he said that he made that kind of simpler because, you 983 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,080 know, he wanted everybody to do it. 984 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,280 So yeah, I was. We kind of talked about this 985 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,160 earlier. We, you know, choreographers put 986 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,440 things in that that the audience can like, walk away with. 987 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,240 You can take this dance move and do it at home. 988 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,000 Yeah. But it's. 989 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,320 Also, like right and the song, like, I mean, some singers sing 990 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:32,080 really simple melodies so. So people get at home kid could 991 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,000 sing along with it. It's the same concept. 992 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,240 Yeah. Because, you know, I. 993 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,320 Could, you know, I could listen to Eminem and him rapping fast 994 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,280 and enjoy it, but I'm not never going to sing that right? 995 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,760 Me neither. I I know. 996 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,480 I Yeah, give me. The song song where he he 997 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:53,080 repeats the the lyrics 75 times and he raps the lyrics. 998 00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,880 Give me that anything. I'm right there with you. 999 00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,960 I got it. Karaoke night. 1000 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,280 I'm. There, all right. 1001 00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,480 And so the final. Score is 3 to 3. 1002 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,280 We're going to have to call this 1A draw. 1003 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,320 So that means, Jamal, we'll have to have you back on the show so 1004 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,720 we can figure out who's the winner here. 1005 00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:18,960 But for this game, I feel like I learned more than you know, then 1006 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,040 what was already in the game. That's amazing, no? 1007 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,400 I, I, you don't threaten me with a good time, I'll I'll be back 1008 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,080 anywhere. All right, Jamal. 1009 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:34,800 I want to not leave without asking you some questions about 1010 00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:43,400 your upcoming film that was produced by Madam Oprah Winfrey. 1011 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:51,000 And as you know, me and DeMarcus were a part of the Hampton 1012 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:56,400 University Marching Forest. We and I also was. 1013 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:05,680 Was a. Member a a choreographer Co 1014 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:11,160 captain coordinator for Ebony fire dance team, which is the 1015 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:15,120 dance team at Hampton University and you are actually making a 1016 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:21,720 film about the major rats yes what now I think that when I 1017 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,320 read the. What this film was going to be 1018 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,080 about, it really resonated with me. 1019 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:31,600 Especially because you have a ballerina coming to a HBCU. 1020 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:37,160 All we get at Hampton is ballerinas, and I'm annoyed, but 1021 01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:43,280 I'm happy because we can't do the days that they do at Jackson 1022 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,000 State because, you know, ballerina's doing that. 1023 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,600 It doesn't look right, and we understand that. 1024 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,000 But what we can do, we have those legs attached. 1025 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,600 We have a split, a split, a split leak. 1026 01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:01,000 We can, we can have all the jumps on the nice aerials, all 1027 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,120 the tumbling and it will look fantastic. 1028 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:11,600 So when it comes to your film, which one are you going to do 1029 01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,640 because you're down South, you know, we had the little the 1030 01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,000 leeway of being a little bit to the north. 1031 01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,800 Yeah, which one are you going? Are you going to do the heavy 1032 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:26,720 and said that split leaps and split what I was saying switch 1033 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:30,240 leaps and the. Aerials or are you? 1034 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,240 Going to be like a you know what getting. 1035 01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:35,320 Down. Honestly, we're doing. 1036 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:39,800 It all, and that's and and and and you know, you find through 1037 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:44,160 the story, you know what, what I what you know, whenever I read a 1038 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:48,280 script or I always try to figure out like, how can I see myself 1039 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,720 in this? And honestly, like I am, I'm not 1040 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,160 a trained dancer. I've never, I had never taken a 1041 01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:01,160 class. You know, never trained. 1042 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,120 Jazz, ballet, nothing. I just trained myself off the 1043 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,440 TV. So I was watching the Michael 1044 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,200 Thriller and beat it and doing all the things. 1045 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,760 And that's really how I learned how to dance was through 1046 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,680 television. And then as soon as I graduated 1047 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:20,320 high school, Michael Jackson had an audition for remember the 1048 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:21,920 Time. And I end up auditioning for 1049 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,680 that. And that was my first job that I 1050 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,040 ever did. But, you know, that was just 1051 01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,680 because I can pick up choreography from the and I 1052 01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:34,200 could imitate people, right? So, you know, a lot of times 1053 01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,760 when I would come in to auditions after I was, you know, 1054 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,600 I had worked with Michael Jackson, I had worked with 1055 01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,240 RuPaul. I'd worked with a lot of big 1056 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,480 artists at the time and people would be like, oh, that's that 1057 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,440 boy that, you know, he's not really technically he did never 1058 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,200 trained before, But so let's see what he can do, if he can do 1059 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,760 what we you know. So I know what that feels like 1060 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:56,240 to come from a different type of world and being thrust into a 1061 01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:00,560 world where people have trained all their lives and, and, you 1062 01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,520 know, and have done a particular style of dance and, you know, 1063 01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,480 they're looking at you like, well, can he, you know, can he 1064 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:11,840 do this, you know, and so, you know, so I really, the story 1065 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:16,680 resonated with me with this particular, you know, our lead 1066 01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,160 characters of Ballerina. She goes to HBCU in the South. 1067 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,600 And you know, they're, they're, they're in the dirt, they're in 1068 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,040 the paint, they walking, they're doing the whole 9. 1069 01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,120 And she has to find her way into it. 1070 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,200 And, and through that, they learned some stuff from her. 1071 01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:33,320 You know what I mean? They might. 1072 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:37,160 I'm not going to want to give a hallway, but that's kind of the 1073 01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:41,880 vibe, OK. OK, that sounds that sounds real 1074 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:46,000 because you know, every dance team I know at Hampton 1075 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,280 especially, you know they they always come up with what do you 1076 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,960 have to come with what any tips on the audition process? 1077 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,360 We say just count to 8. There you go. 1078 01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:55,960 We'll. Get. 1079 01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:01,680 It in the end, you can have no training or you can have Yeah, 1080 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,360 that's right. Yeah, absolutely. 1081 01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,880 You know what's funny is. Because you know, with a lot of 1082 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,160 you know a lot, you know, when you train as a ballerina all 1083 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,600 your life, you know, that is it's it's intense. 1084 01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,360 I just went to Alvin. It actually for the first time I 1085 01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:22,600 I was able to catch them here in in LA and you realize how much 1086 01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:30,040 work and dedication it takes to become a ballet dancer at that 1087 01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:35,600 level and those techniques that you've learned it's hard to 1088 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,240 unlearn them. You know you. 1089 01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,280 Know so. That's a, that's a skill you 1090 01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,760 have to have. You have to give yourself 1091 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,080 permission to deconstruct all the things you've been learning 1092 01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:51,200 since you were like years old to be able to do some of this stuff 1093 01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,120 that these majorette dancers are doing. 1094 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:59,080 So I, I, you know, I, I love this movie so much and I, you 1095 01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,640 know, I can't wait to till we get started. 1096 01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,240 Nice. How much of the movie? 1097 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,640 Is coming from like your own personal experience, like 1098 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,520 working with trained dancers and untrained dancers? 1099 01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,800 How much of that are you putting into the movie? 1100 01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,680 Do you have a preference on who you work with? 1101 01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,280 You know, no, I just want them to be good. 1102 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:23,240 I just want them to be somebody that's that's magnetic. 1103 01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:29,280 Magnetic, you know, and on and, and, and relentless. 1104 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:33,960 Like I, I, I would love to see all these Beyoncé's on screen. 1105 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:38,240 Just a limit, you know, everybody a star in their own 1106 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:44,000 right, you know, and just to uplift, you know, our, our black 1107 01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,920 female voices. And, you know, it's just such a 1108 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,880 great opportunity for me, you know? 1109 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:58,560 Yeah, yeah. I, I, I'm very excited for this. 1110 01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:02,920 I want to talk a little bit about the coach of the team. 1111 01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,240 I haven't heard anything about her. 1112 01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:10,120 Can you, if it's, you know, if it's something you can't spoil, 1113 01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:14,360 is there any type of hints you can give us about the coach of 1114 01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,520 this team? Is she an old coach? 1115 01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,240 Is she a new coach? You know, is she, is she 1116 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:27,200 somebody who is very, you know, willing to try new things like 1117 01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,760 who is the coach at the team? This is what I'll say. 1118 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,720 This is what I'll tell you you. Know what you. 1119 01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:37,720 What, you know, even what I was doing when the beat drops and I 1120 01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:43,120 was interviewing the the young ladies at Jackson State 1121 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:48,160 University, you realize that, you know, there's a long legacy 1122 01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:53,600 in some of these, you know, like in some of these positions, like 1123 01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:58,760 it goes like my mom was AJ Set, my grandmother was AJ Set, you 1124 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,000 know. So you realize that, you know, 1125 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,320 they have been doing it for the years and generations. 1126 01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,120 And, you know, so I will say that it is she is a part of the 1127 01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:15,720 generational piece of of the, you know, majorettes, you know, 1128 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,200 so she's she might not be that old. 1129 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,920 She's not that young, you know what I mean? 1130 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:22,360 She's in there. But. 1131 01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:27,960 She has the experience, you know, and that's, you know, she 1132 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,840 really is. I don't want to give it away, 1133 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:35,280 but yeah, it's a good part. It's a good part because I can. 1134 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,840 I can see. Some like some things, some 1135 01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,760 things coming up where like, because when you have these like 1136 01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,480 generational positions or whatever, like they, they, they 1137 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,560 already have it in their mind of like what this is like this is 1138 01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,480 what it means to to be a J set and it's not going to change 1139 01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:55,000 with you with. You, the band, will still go out 1140 01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,600 with or without you, that's what. 1141 01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,560 That's what Brit Michelle Martin always said. 1142 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,080 The band doesn't need you to survive. 1143 01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,800 I have to ask this is something cuz I have been prepping for 1144 01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,760 this interview. I'm asking a lot of band people 1145 01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,960 what to ask you cuz I've been nervous and excited. 1146 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:25,000 They all want to know because this is going to be the latest 1147 01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:31,200 HBCU band movie specifically. You know, we haven't had one of 1148 01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:36,439 those since Jerome Blind and we are all waiting for a new one. 1149 01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:41,279 I got my groups that I posted the Variety article into. 1150 01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,720 They were all super excited. Even my dance groups, they're 1151 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,960 all super excited. They're like, oh child, will you 1152 01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,720 hear the audition? Let me know. 1153 01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,000 But one question that they were all. 1154 01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:59,399 Very excited to know. About is, you know, there was a 1155 01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:03,720 part in drumline where there was something he had to do, 1156 01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,640 something extra to be in the band, which is a big part of 1157 01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:13,600 these majorette teams. I know that J sets recently got 1158 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,800 in trouble for their extra practices and there are a lot of 1159 01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,880 teams that do them. Is there going to be a part in 1160 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:25,760 your movie that deals with these extra practices that go on 1161 01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:33,560 before? You ask this question, we're 1162 01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,000 going to leave here. Knowing the whole. 1163 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:39,960 Movie, right? Sorry. 1164 01:09:40,279 --> 01:09:42,319 Sorry, sorry. You know what I will say? 1165 01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:48,040 Lauren Smith, our writer, she did such a beautiful job at 1166 01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:56,440 making sure that the, that this story really feels current and 1167 01:09:56,440 --> 01:10:01,760 deals with all the issues that are happening today, you know, 1168 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,680 and, and so it feels real, you know, and that's, you know, 1169 01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:11,760 honestly, I think, you know, black people in general, like we 1170 01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,480 feel when things are false, you know, somebody can dance, they 1171 01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:20,280 could do 3 counts and you'll be like, no, no, that ain't real. 1172 01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,920 She, you know, fake. She can sing 3 notes. 1173 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,120 Oh, she can't even sing, you know, like we know it really 1174 01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,640 fast and we can't fake it. And I, that's one thing about 1175 01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,880 this film that I don't ever want to do is. 1176 01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,560 And Lauren agrees. Like we can't have any false 1177 01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,560 moments and everything has to be authentic and everything has to 1178 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,360 be real. So when I say that, I say that 1179 01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:47,000 because it deals with all of it that's happening. 1180 01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:48,640 You know what I mean right now, right? 1181 01:10:50,440 --> 01:10:53,360 Great answer. I have a more behind. 1182 01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,640 The scenes question. I've because. 1183 01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,440 I work, I work in tech and AI is pretty much like taking over. 1184 01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:05,240 I use AI, yeah. Is how is AI working its way 1185 01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,600 into choreography and dance And what does that look like? 1186 01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,240 It is it. Is yeah, you've seen these, 1187 01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:15,720 you've seen these things on. I just posted actually the other 1188 01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:23,240 day the The Golden Girls were doing that dinner TikTok dance, 1189 01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:29,400 the chicken, chicken wicket, wicket wicket, the you all know 1190 01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,280 what I'm talking about. No, a little tick tock dance. 1191 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,480 But they were all The Golden Girls were doing it basically. 1192 01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,760 And they were getting it and I thought it was hilarious. 1193 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,680 And so I kind of reposted and somebody was like, man, I love 1194 01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,360 you and I love your work. And, you know, as a 1195 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:47,480 choreographer, you know, we, we kind of should be careful about 1196 01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:52,840 reposting AI, you know, or, you know, people doing other 1197 01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,480 people's choreography that are AI. 1198 01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:57,600 And I'm like, yo, you know, I just didn't think about it like 1199 01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,440 that because that's what could replace us, right? 1200 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:05,280 Like they could just take videos of people dancing on the street 1201 01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:09,760 and just put the characters on. And then before you know it, you 1202 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,760 know, that's that's our job. What are we going to do? 1203 01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,000 You know, we're probably still far away from that. 1204 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:22,840 But I'm just saying like, you know, it's good to understand 1205 01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,640 that that's where it could possibly be, you know, and it's 1206 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,960 easy. Easier said than, you know, I 1207 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,280 mean, it's oh, it's here. People are doing it like they 1208 01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,680 have Fred, you know, Sanford and Son doing the dances and they 1209 01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:40,520 have, you know, good times. And so it's, you know, I, I see 1210 01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,000 that happening, you know, and it's, it's scary. 1211 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:47,600 But one thing you can't do is like replace the human spirit. 1212 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:53,000 And so no matter what, you know, how much AI tries to, you know, 1213 01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,800 get off all the fields. That's something that's just 1214 01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:57,680 you're not going to be able to do that. 1215 01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,520 They might be able to do the moves, but it won't feel the 1216 01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:01,960 same. Yeah, you can. 1217 01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,560 You can take the recipe. But you ain't the chef. 1218 01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:07,160 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 1219 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,720 Well, we are all very excited for Major. 1220 01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:16,720 A lot of dancers want you to send you their dance resumes and 1221 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,920 will you please? Oh, OK. 1222 01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,960 Are you filming in Atlanta? Yes, we are. 1223 01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,880 OK, sure. I can send it to you right after 1224 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,840 this. So this is this is what? 1225 01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,440 This is what I'll say is that we're going to have auditions in 1226 01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:34,120 Atlanta as well. So we'll I'll stay in touch and 1227 01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:39,000 I'll let you know when, when that, you know, we plan to do 1228 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,520 that so we can make a thing out of it. 1229 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,960 You know what I mean? I really want to make sure that 1230 01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,160 we have the best of the best in the cream of the crop. 1231 01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:54,120 You know, they are with us because, like I said, this is 1232 01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,200 our this is our shot to put it on the big screen. 1233 01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,720 And it's it's big and it's got to be right. 1234 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:04,560 So yeah, yeah, you, you know. I I can let you know dancers, I 1235 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,200 can let you know band members. But if you need a consultant, 1236 01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,520 yeah, yeah. Yeah, OK. 1237 01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,400 Let me tell. You something. 1238 01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,560 We'll, we'll talk. We'll talk, OK. 1239 01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,280 I'm I'm. I'm available for all 1240 01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,960 conversations. All right, we. 1241 01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,400 Are going to move on. I don't think I can ask all the 1242 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:28,440 questions I would that y'all want me to ask because I think 1243 01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:33,880 he's under NDA guys. So let's move on to the 17 1244 01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:38,160 questions now, Jamal, these are questions about some things we 1245 01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:43,320 have talked about on other podcast episodes, some things we 1246 01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,320 have talked about on this episode, some things that we 1247 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:50,600 just want to know. So Are you ready for that 17 1248 01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,200 questions? Let's go. 1249 01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,520 All right, so. This is a quick fire, so you can 1250 01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:03,840 answer it with just the answer or you can give us the a full 1251 01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,480 spiel about it. You know, this is a podcast. 1252 01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:08,000 We would prefer the full spiel, but if you want to just give us 1253 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:09,200 the answer, you could just give us that. 1254 01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:13,000 OK, here we go. First question, what superpower 1255 01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:16,160 would you have for you? Could have a superpower I'd fly. 1256 01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:19,480 I like to, I would love to fly, love to be able to fly and just 1257 01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,200 travel. I love travelling so I go all 1258 01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:29,960 over the world, OK? Who was right, Professor X or 1259 01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:41,040 Magneto? Oh, Professor X, you, you're 1260 01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,640 like me. I was, I said Professor X for a 1261 01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:47,720 long time. You say not. 1262 01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,080 Yeah, I switched because. Professor X he's he's, he's done 1263 01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,720 a lot of shady things, get the names, all for the greater good. 1264 01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,720 But it's like, hey, how good does it get, right? 1265 01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:00,720 I understand. Yeah, out of all. 1266 01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,720 Of your years on RuPaul's Drag Race. 1267 01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,800 Who is your? Favorite member of the pit crew. 1268 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:16,800 I you know what? I don't really know. 1269 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:22,720 Them that well, you know, but there was a a guy in the very 1270 01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:26,120 early beginning, his name was Miles Moody and he was one of 1271 01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:30,720 the first like some of the OG hit crew. 1272 01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,640 I loved Miles and I I love Bruno too. 1273 01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,120 Bruno's great. He's such a nice guy. 1274 01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:37,000 Such. A nice guy. 1275 01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:43,280 OK, who is your favorite dancer? Juicy. 1276 01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:51,480 Love Dion or Mia? Starr, that is so hard. 1277 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,480 Come on. Y'all can't do this to me. 1278 01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:57,200 Wait, wait. I have to. 1279 01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:00,120 Tell I have to tell DeMarcus who these people are. 1280 01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,920 These are people of Rufa's Drag race currently. 1281 01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:07,400 Mia Starr is an amazing dancer. She has danced with Britney 1282 01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,880 Spears. She's, as with other great 1283 01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:13,840 artists, juicy love Dionne is a great technical dancer. 1284 01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:18,480 She can all the jump shoe daughter, all the splits hand 1285 01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:19,760 stands. She is great. 1286 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:25,600 So but but Mia Starr, she has said in her confessionals that 1287 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:31,040 she's not good at she's good at choreographed dancing. 1288 01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:35,520 She's not good at the on the spot dancing that that sucks 1289 01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:37,680 back. To you, Jamal, who's your? 1290 01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,040 Favorite, you know it's. Funny because I've worked with 1291 01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,720 you know, obviously I've worked with them on the show, but I you 1292 01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:49,960 know, outside the show, I know I know Mia as a dancer, you know, 1293 01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:54,160 and Mia was absolutely incredible. 1294 01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,280 She was booking job. I mean he was booking jobs. 1295 01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:07,320 So I think that in an it's like apples and oranges. 1296 01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:11,120 It's it's, it's, it's judging somebody that's technical, like 1297 01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:17,040 a juicy and then somebody that is raw like like Mia and it's 1298 01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:23,680 hard to to judge, you know, damn, I, I, I guess I'm happy to 1299 01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,080 say Mia because I've known Mia the long. 1300 01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:29,880 What is your favorite horror movie? 1301 01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:32,400 Oh, this is. Good. 1302 01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,560 This is good. It definitely was. 1303 01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,640 Do do do do do. It's a toss up, but. 1304 01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,320 I'm going to go ahead and say Get Out was probably quiet. 1305 01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:46,320 That's a good one. Yeah. 1306 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,880 When it, when it feels real, like this stuff can really 1307 01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:54,960 happen, that's when I'm like, oh, shoot, you know, here. 1308 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,920 We go what? Was it a toss up with, well, 1309 01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:03,160 obviously the original Halloween with Jason Michael Myers? 1310 01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,680 Yes, yes, that. Took me as a kid. 1311 01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:07,920 I was Halloween. I didn't even want to go out on 1312 01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,200 Halloween. I was like, y'all can have all 1313 01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:14,760 the candy up and stay right up in this house, OK? 1314 01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,480 What is your favorite lip sync number from Drag Race? 1315 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:23,440 Favorite lip sync number from Drag Race? 1316 01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:31,600 You know what it was? Oh, gosh, there's so many good 1317 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,000 ones. There's there's so many good 1318 01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,560 ones. I would have to say I I actually 1319 01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:49,720 enjoyed, which was weird just recently with Mia and yes, yeah, 1320 01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:51,680 yeah, I thought it was when they came on stage. 1321 01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:52,600 This is. Magical. 1322 01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,920 Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, them two together because. 1323 01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,400 Most recent in my brain. But yeah, that's that's crazy. 1324 01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:02,840 OK. What's your favorite Martin or 1325 01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,760 living single Oh. Martin for. 1326 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:10,400 Sure. I was there every Sunday for 1327 01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:12,320 sure. Yes, yes. 1328 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:19,880 OK, who is your favorites gay Disney villain? 1329 01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:27,960 Doctor Facilier, that's been the answer a lot. 1330 01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,320 Lately I don't. See it? 1331 01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:35,720 I just see Keith David. I don't see I need to watch that 1332 01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:40,480 movie again 'cause I do not see a gay person, not over Scott. 1333 01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,480 I played, I played. Doctor Facilier in Descendants 1334 01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:46,200 3, the Disney Channel movie I play. 1335 01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:57,440 Oh. So I know for OK, what is your 1336 01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:00,600 favorite TV theme song of all time? 1337 01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:04,000 Oh God. OK, so I'm going to tell you it 1338 01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,240 is The Golden Girls. Thank you for being that. 1339 01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:12,240 That's my all time favorite. But good times is like right. 1340 01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:18,480 It's like right there. I love it. 1341 01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:21,200 I love it so much. OK, OK, see nobody. 1342 01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:22,560 'S ever said. Good times there. 1343 01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:24,080 Nobody's ever gone back that far. 1344 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,600 That's a good one. Well, that's because I'm old. 1345 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,680 That's because I'm old. But let me tell you, those 1346 01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:36,120 songs, those theme songs back then were everything like 227. 1347 01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:37,400 Good times. Come on. 1348 01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:48,240 Oh, they don't even know about. OK, what is your favorite adult 1349 01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,440 cartoon or what's your favorite cartoon that you watch as an 1350 01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:53,920 adult as an. Adult. 1351 01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:59,000 It would have to be The Simpsons for sure. 1352 01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:00,840 OK, OK. Classic. 1353 01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:02,960 Classic. Yeah, classic all. 1354 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:07,720 Right, you are tasked by the President Obama not. 1355 01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,640 With giving. With giving aliens a concert 1356 01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,040 film that will save humanity after they watch it. 1357 01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:21,960 What concert do you give to these aliens? 1358 01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:26,120 I give. Them Michael Jackson. 1359 01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:35,280 At. His Budapest live OK saves the 1360 01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:36,400 world. Yeah, freaking. 1361 01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:41,600 I would wear Moonwalker out on the VHS. 1362 01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:46,600 That was yeah, that was magic. Yeah. 1363 01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,640 OK. Who is the best dad on TV? 1364 01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:58,960 The best dad on TV would have to be John Witherspoon's in Friday. 1365 01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,600 Yeah, yes. Yeah, brother. 1366 01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,120 Yes, yes. Yes, on yes, the Wayne brothers, 1367 01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,120 right? Yeah, the Wayne brothers, yeah, 1368 01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:17,960 nobody said that but that. Is so true, but. 1369 01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:22,120 John Winterson. Yeah, John Winterson. 1370 01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:25,200 Is also a good dad in the boondocks as well. 1371 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,040 Yeah, yeah. Friday. 1372 01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:30,560 Yeah, Friday. Yeah, yeah. 1373 01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:32,040 OK. RRP. 1374 01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,920 Yeah. RRP Who is your favorite 1375 01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:39,080 superhero? Favorite superhero? 1376 01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:43,800 Hero is Wonder Woman, no? Yeah, OK. 1377 01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,280 So you just like. The twirling around loved it. 1378 01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,600 I'm about got it. Let me tell you something. 1379 01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,440 That did something for me as a kid and I don't know what. 1380 01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,640 It's so funny. My my my straight male cousins 1381 01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:01,680 said when we would play super friends that I would tell them 1382 01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:07,520 I'm going to be 1 demand not one so I could go and I could do 1383 01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:11,240 that just. Yeah. 1384 01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:12,640 They shouldn't know back then that. 1385 01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:17,200 What I where I was going. But, you know, what do you say? 1386 01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:18,680 That's what I was attracted to. I loved. 1387 01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:20,880 I loved everything about it. Yeah. 1388 01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:24,120 Yeah. OK, who is your favorite black 1389 01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:25,880 character? Who isn't black? 1390 01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:29,360 And for this one, I know that some of the past ends up being 1391 01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:35,840 the TS region in the Turtles. Panthro from Thundercats, of 1392 01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,720 course. The Simpsons people. 1393 01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,560 So who is your favorite black character who isn't necessarily 1394 01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:44,800 black? This is. 1395 01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:48,440 Hilarious. Oh gosh, when I have to think 1396 01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:54,160 about it. You know what, Scooby-doo? 1397 01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:57,200 I think Scooby you. Know what? 1398 01:24:58,400 --> 01:24:59,240 You think about. It. 1399 01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,840 You know that I don't know, You know the way, right? 1400 01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,360 You know, definitely somebody like old. 1401 01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:14,560 Uncle. OK, OK, OK. 1402 01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:20,720 Who is your favorite rapper turned into an actor? 1403 01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,000 Oh gosh, T. ITI. 1404 01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,520 TI. TI it is. 1405 01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:34,520 Over Will Smith. I love Will. 1406 01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:38,480 I do love Will. But there's something about TI, 1407 01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:41,480 you know? He's just, there's something so 1408 01:25:41,480 --> 01:25:44,400 authentic and real about him, you know? 1409 01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:49,000 Yeah, yeah, I agree. And also. 1410 01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:52,520 Will obviously will. I mean, obviously, yeah. 1411 01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:57,360 I forget, I forgot. OK, OK, OK. 1412 01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:04,760 What is 1 trend that you do not want to see anymore on Drag 1413 01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,000 Race? And you know that this season 1414 01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,880 Michelle has talked about she doesn't want to see anymore 1415 01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,720 Marie Antoinette. She doesn't want to see any more 1416 01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:17,160 of that. So what's 1 trend that you don't 1417 01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,840 necessarily want to see on Drag Race anymore? 1418 01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:26,960 I don't want to see anybody do that on on the. 1419 01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,240 Catch. What is it? 1420 01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:42,560 Come on Jamal, not catch phrase but the game show Snatch Game. 1421 01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:44,280 Yes. Thank you. 1422 01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:47,720 Thank you, Thank you. Snatch Game. 1423 01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:52,520 I don't want to see anybody do a Kardashian anymore on the on 1424 01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:54,960 the. There's been a lot of Kim 1425 01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:59,600 Kardashian and I'm just like, those just never really pan out. 1426 01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:03,760 Yeah, yeah. OK, OK, OK. 1427 01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:11,560 And finally, what's one thing that the industry gets wrong 1428 01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:20,960 about black creatives? Industry gets. 1429 01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:27,240 Wrong about black creators. I just think they get wrong. 1430 01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:32,360 That. We could do it all. 1431 01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:37,560 Like I, you know, I, I don't, you know, I think putting people 1432 01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:44,440 in a box is, you know, if you think that, you know, a black 1433 01:27:44,440 --> 01:27:49,720 person can't do horror or, you know, that's wrong, it's been 1434 01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:54,280 proven wrong, you know, and I, I think that that's, you know, 1435 01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:59,280 it's, it's very, especially when it comes to genre and, and you, 1436 01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:03,200 you never know people's we're so diverse and we, we have so, so 1437 01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:07,920 much, you know, our backgrounds are so different. 1438 01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,880 You know, I, I, I hate when people say, you know, oh, a 1439 01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,320 black character couldn't do that, you know, yeah, that's a 1440 01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:19,720 lie, you know, yeah. And I, and, and because we love 1441 01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:23,280 we, we love it all, you know, like I, I was, you know, Cowboys 1442 01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:24,640 were black before, you know what I mean? 1443 01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:28,720 So country, you know, westerns were black people, you know what 1444 01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,840 I mean? So, you know, yeah, we could do 1445 01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,600 it all. All this stuff was. 1446 01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,360 Black before they came and stole. 1447 01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:42,760 Well, Jamal, this is the end of our show. 1448 01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:47,080 Look, I just got to tell you that I got you in front of me on 1449 01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:50,840 this zoom. All my life you have been a 1450 01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:53,960 light. You have been a guiding star. 1451 01:28:54,120 --> 01:29:01,160 You have been a inspiration. I have try to make try to 1452 01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:05,480 indulate some things that have been fired you off of your 1453 01:29:05,480 --> 01:29:12,080 dances. I have always look to the joy in 1454 01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:17,400 your dancing, the smile on your face, the niceness and the 1455 01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:23,280 realness of your critiques. Everything that you do and the 1456 01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:28,920 way you present yourself has been a guiding star for me in my 1457 01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:38,720 life these past couple of years. Your documentary definitely 1458 01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:45,680 inspired me because that's we. Said I was. 1459 01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,520 Dancing in the stands, getting fire from my job. 1460 01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:57,560 So I like seeing myself in that and seeing those things that 1461 01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:01,440 people because I knew about it, but seeing it and seeing us 1462 01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:04,040 highlighted really meant a lot to me. 1463 01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,480 So thank you for that and this upcoming thing. 1464 01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:08,760 As I said, I've worked with Ebony Fire for 10 years. 1465 01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:14,080 Thank you so much for even bringing this small little part 1466 01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:19,320 of the whole black diaspora to the screen. 1467 01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:25,120 Means so much to me, to all the girls who I have talked to over 1468 01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:29,280 these past couple of weeks, and to all of the band kids that I 1469 01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:32,720 have talked to as well. This means a lot to us. 1470 01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,680 And it means a lot to them too, because, you know, dancers, they 1471 01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:39,320 don't get scholarships like the real band members, dudes. 1472 01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:43,400 So it means a lot to us that you are including them. 1473 01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:45,040 So it's thank you, thank you, thank you. 1474 01:30:45,480 --> 01:30:49,640 And I am always looking out for what is your mom going to do 1475 01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,080 next? How is your mom going to make me 1476 01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:56,080 smile and make me laugh in this next great work of art? 1477 01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:59,080 So thank you, thank you, Thank you very much for just being 1478 01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:00,960 here today. You made me tear up a. 1479 01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:09,480 Little bit No, honestly, thank you That that that, you know, as 1480 01:31:09,480 --> 01:31:13,480 an artist, all we can hope is that we inspire or we uplift or 1481 01:31:13,480 --> 01:31:15,800 we do some sort of good in the world. 1482 01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,840 And so when you hear somebody like yourself, you know, say 1483 01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,920 that it means so much to me. And I'm not I'm not just saying 1484 01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,960 it because we're here. I'm saying it because that's 1485 01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:32,680 what I that's what I set out to do, you know, So the fact that 1486 01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,640 it it it has happened is it means everything. 1487 01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,520 And I think you guys just, you know, for taking out, you know, 1488 01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:41,840 an hour or so of your time to to chat with me. 1489 01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:45,120 I mean it, this has been so fun, so easy. 1490 01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:49,560 And there's a there's one of do you know Richard Jackson by any 1491 01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:51,880 chance? You know, the Richie Jackson he 1492 01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,720 used to choreograph for, for, I mean, yeah, he used to 1493 01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:58,120 choreograph for Gaga and I. Anyways, he's a really good 1494 01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:00,920 friend of mine. But you sound just. 1495 01:32:03,480 --> 01:32:06,040 When I hear your voice. I think I'm talking to Richie. 1496 01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,760 I'm like, Oh my God, if you look him up, if you hear, you see 1497 01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:11,360 some interviews, you'll hear of you like, but usually when you 1498 01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:13,600 tell somebody to do that, they're like, don't sound like 1499 01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:17,680 that, you know, But honestly, that's, that's what I hear. 1500 01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:19,640 But he's, he's an amazing person. 1501 01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:25,120 I look forward to continuing our conversation because I, I would 1502 01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,040 love to talk to you more about the, the, the film and, and the 1503 01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,560 dancer, all that stuff because I am here. 1504 01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:34,640 Yeah, I am here, Marcus. I appreciate. 1505 01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:41,160 You, your, your, your, the questions and, and honestly, 1506 01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:44,320 like this is, this is all of us together. 1507 01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:50,080 And it feels so cool to be able to have, you know, conversations 1508 01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:55,200 with people who you know, or, or straight or, or whatever, you 1509 01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:58,480 know what I mean? Like it's, it's all, it's I, I 1510 01:32:58,480 --> 01:32:59,560 love it. I love it so much. 1511 01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:02,320 And you know, I, I. And I, I love having guests on 1512 01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:04,960 the show because a lot of times I learned that like, I've been a 1513 01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:06,520 fan of this person my entire life and. 1514 01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:11,600 That's what I learned. So glad to have you. 1515 01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:14,520 Thank you. Jamal, where can they? 1516 01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:16,960 Find you if they want to get to know more about you. 1517 01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,800 Yeah, on, on. My socials, it's all Jamizzi, 1518 01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:26,480 JAMIZZI. And that's on, on, on everything 1519 01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:32,000 across the the universe. Yeah, yeah and yeah. 1520 01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:37,160 You can also find him on YouTube in some old decades old of 1521 01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:42,240 instructional videos. You don't have to find me that 1522 01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,760 don't you that. You don't have to find me there 1523 01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:45,480 if you. Don't want that. 1524 01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,200 Don't tell these people to go and do nothing that they don't 1525 01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:52,640 want to see. All right, and you can find. 1526 01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:59,320 Us at black energy or on Twitter BG under score pod and again 1527 01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,000 Jamal Sims, thank you for coming on. 1528 01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:05,440 You were great. I know we kept you a little bit 1529 01:34:05,440 --> 01:34:08,320 overtime, but you were amazing today. 1530 01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,840 Thank you thank you thank you so much for the bottom of my heart. 1531 01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:13,840 Thank you and we can't wait to have you back. 1532 01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:18,920 What's this movie is out and it's it's all said and done. 1533 01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:21,320 We got to have you back. We do, and I'll be here. 1534 01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:23,080 I'll be here. We get everybody in the in the 1535 01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:27,120 in the theaters and, you know, buying the tickets with the with 1536 01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:29,280 the movie pass. Yeah, with MoviePass. 1537 01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:30,800 Come on now. Yeah, every day. 1538 01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:35,560 Those 800 points, right, All right. 1539 01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:38,760 And that's it. See you guys next week. 1540 01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:44,200 Thank you. Oh my God.