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For this week's episode, we have some stories that I believe is a
great follow up for what we talked about previously.
So last week we did talk about on field eval and it really
inspired the very first part of that on field eval and what is
calming down the athlete. Oh, for sure.
I mean, I feel like that that's key to do it when it comes to
that on field eval time, right? Making sure the athletes calm
and then you can kind of go into the next steps.
I mean, think about anytime you have someone who's injured,
they're usually not calm, I would say.
No, I honestly like when when I get out there for the on field
on court eval. A lot of times the most of the
time I'm taking the time is just calming them down honestly so I
can start. That's usually what you do.
I feel like the I can picture actually an athlete who is very
calm. I had a finger dislocation who
who walked over to me and he's talking to one of his coaches
and he just sticks out his hand and he was like, it's broken.
That's all he says to me. He's he's totally fine.
So I mean, sometimes they're calm.
That wasn't an on field eval, but.
Yes, that's that's probably an exception to what the rule tends
to be. It really was.
And I don't know if he looked well, no, I I know he looked at
it because he was looking at it when he was on the field.
And then when he came off, he just like handed me my his hand.
Not bad for looking at it too. And I'm like passing out.
I know he was kind of preoccupied, I think.
Fair. It's kind of a crucial moment in
the game. That's fair.
So how comfortable are you with the process of calming down an
athlete when they are hurt? This is the very first question
I asked on our Instagram stories.
And I would say most a TS who answered put themselves closer
to being pretty confident, which I I expected.
But I also asked how comfortable are you with the process of
calming down a parent who is like a parent of an injured
athlete and most a TS were not as comfortable, which makes
sense. I mean, you're you every day
you're dealing with, you know, athletes.
Not as often are you having to calm down that parent, but you
might have to. Have you ever had to calm down
a? Parent.
Well, that's what I was gonna say.
I'd also kind of like be interested to see like if there
was this like the breakdown on setting 'cause I feel like I
feel like we're probably like secondary school would probably
have feel more confident than maybe like.
Your than us. Your collegiate professional
right? Like or even industrial.
I feel like I've never really had a crazy like over the top UN
like unconsolable parent. I've had crazy parents, but I've
never had someone who was freaking out at like more than
the athlete. Yeah, well, I think too, it kind
of depends, like depending who's like, depending on the
situation, right? Like if I'm actively dealing
with the situation, like I can't be taken care of, Mom, dad,
guardian, right. So a lot of times that's when
this person needs to go, like, 'cause I'm not working with
minors, right? So it's like they got to go,
like someone's got to like, like control the scene, right?
Get them back. And so yeah, I've never been in
that situation where I'm actively calming.
I'm trying to think like a lot of times, like they'll come over
with questions, but that's like after it's all handled.
So there's not a lot of like calming.
I mean, obviously they're still concerned, but like it's pretty
much handled like, I don't know, it just I've never had a
situation where they're hysterical.
Yeah, neither have I, which thank goodness 'cause I used to
work with youth. Youth.
Sports you you have a more. And those parents were kind of
crazy. That's all I'm going to say.
Yeah, yes. But I didn't have any hysterical
parents. Yeah, I'm trying to think of
like I've never had. Yeah.
Later in the episode we do talk about calming down an injured
athletes teammate. Oh, that's interesting.
And then we'll also talk about just different scenarios like
asthma attacks, dislocations, calling 911 and calming someone
down, calming someone down with a season ending injury, kind of
along all those lines. So why don't we start with just
in general calming someone down, calming an athlete down.
So to follow up from our last episode, I started with Gabby,
Elle says. I always tell my students about
how important eye contact is. And then from there, focusing on
breath work if they're hyperventilating or freaking
out. Yeah, I feel like I've been now
ever since last week when we were talking about the on field
eval. Now I'm like trying to like
really focus on what 'cause I after a while it just becomes
like second age, right? You go out there, you do your
thing and then you get off the field, right?
But I feel like now I've actually been paying attention
to like, what, what do I actually do on the field?
So I can, you know, share. I feel like as soon as I get out
to the field, that is the very first thing I do too, is eye
contact. And I feel like the now that I'm
noticing, I feel like when people are in pain, they close
their eyes. Yes.
Which makes sense. But then also like you're giving
them something to focus on, right?
You have them open their eyes and they can actually 'cause
they're, they're closing their eyes and they're kind of like
like tense. And so when you ask them to open
their eyes and look at you, they kind of relax a little bit.
Like it's an immediate like and then you can get them working on
their breath work. It's funny you say the eyes
closed 'cause that'd be really weird to see them just with
their eyes open in pain. I mean, if I feel like they're
looking at it. Yeah, I know.
But I'm just trying to sit there and think, like a lot of times
you can get there and they're like on the ground in pain like.
Yeah, eyes are closed. Like forcibly closed, Yeah.
Like it would be weird for me to see them, like with eyes open,
like like, I don't know. I feel like we're hallucinating
more than we are in pain. I'd be concerned I'd, I'd, I'd,
I'd be concerned. We're seeing things that I'm not
seeing. Yeah, that'd be concerning.
I mean, I think it's just sensory input, right?
For sure. They're just trying to like
deprive themselves because they're getting so much of A
stimulus from that pain that they're shutting off and like
their their visual input. That's how I take.
It that's that's I'm. Assuming, sorry, there's no
actual citation for that. I don't know that's that's just
a good point. They are always, their eyes are
always closed, right? Like forcibly closed.
That's like what I'm what I'm. Yeah, I'm going through
literally every single one. That's what it is.
That's. Interesting.
I I really think it's probably the sensory.
It probably is. It probably is you.
Want to read the next one from page P?
Yes, Page P says you're in good hands.
I know you're scared, but I'm not.
This is our plan. It's OK to be insert emotional
response here. I'm going to do my best to try
and help you. Just overall validating what
they're experiencing is normal. For sure, all super great things
to I feel like if you have like a go to phrase that will just
naturally come to you when you go out there after a while, and
especially if you if you don't have one and you start to
practice one, these are all good ones.
Yeah, slow downs, like one of mine, yeah.
And then I'll go into breathing, 'cause, you know, their minds
racing, especially if they've been there before, like, like
you're like ACLS, right? When they feel a pop in their
knee, they kind of know. And they just spiral.
Yeah, right. So like if it's something that
they've kind of experienced too, like sometimes, yeah, their mind
starts to just go down that just that, that spiral.
Another thing that I do too, I don't know if someone's going to
say, but I like contact, right? I like, I like, I try to either
like like touch the limb that's hurt like somewhere or if
they're really out of control, like I'll, I'll, I will grab
like, like I'll have my hand on their torso to just try and let
them know I'm there. I give them like feel some kind
of support. You know what I think?
I think I usually do their shoulder.
I'll I'll put my hand on their shoulder as I'm like looking
them in the eye, unless it's their ankle and I'm by myself.
Then I feel like I usually stabilize the joint and then I
go to their head, but I can't like and I think we I don't know
if we man, I don't think we talked about this in the on
field eval, but I feel like we really now that I'm realizing, I
think we really missed this point of going to the person
first before the limb. We didn't talk about that at.
All because if they're like, if they're like, like, if they're
really like not doing OK. You're not going to get
anything. Done.
Yeah, like I'm not. Going to get anything?
Done. I I go to them.
It's not good for them, it's good for you.
I go to them first, like I said, a lot of times I'll have my hand
probably on their torso and then yeah, I'm pretty much like like
looking at their face right before it, like a lot of times,
right. Lower extremity injury tends to
be the more common occurrence. Well, on the field, if it's
upper extremity, they're going to get it most.
Of the time, right? So then again, a lot of times,
like I'm there looking at them in the eye, trying to calm them
down before I even like 'cause I too, I'm pretty much by myself
most of the time. So yeah, so I'll do that and
then I'll go to the extremity. You can't depend.
It just it depends on how they look on the field it.
Depends is a very athletic training statement I believe.
Right. They look pretty, pretty
together. Like I'll probably go to the
extremity first 'cause I know like OK, like they're, they got
it. But if they're not doing all
right or I'll calm them down 1st and then OK, what's going on?
Right, right. 'Cause also too, sometimes you
like it. Maybe you didn't catch it right
away so you're not 100% sure what I.
Think even if you watch though. But there are perfect.
Field field vision. There are sometimes that like
they feel something that you can't tell from true.
Right, like biggest 1 is like when someone's hands like in
between their legs, right? It could be groin, it could be
hand. I mean it depends on on what
they did. Yeah.
But I'm just saying like, right, like you don't necessarily know.
Yeah, like when? Someone's like under the pile.
Yeah, I I don't know. I don't know what happened under
there. Yeah, so sometimes you just got,
you got to talk to them first 'cause there's not an extremity
to go to yet. Right, so Robbie W says I have
found that the best way to have my athletes calm down in the
moment starts in the rapport you have with them prior to the on
field injury. Since we all try to build that
rapport with every athlete that we have.
I what I have found that since I have that rapport and trust
built, I can get to them on the field and as I get to them, I
let them know that I'm there with them and I got them.
And because of the rapport and trust built, that has been the
most effective for me. Even with newer athletes, The
rapport and trust the older athletes have with me tends to
carry over to the newer ones, even if we haven't had a lot of
time with the newer athletes, depending on when the injury
occurs now, admittedly so, it normally takes at least two or
three rounds of letting them know I'm there with them and I
got them to get to the point where I can drill down into my
evil. But that's the general gist of
what has worked for me. And I think that comes from both
parties seeing the other put blood, sweat and tears into the
one team mentality we all want for our athletes and programs.
Yeah, for sure. I feel like rapport is very
important for your returning athletes for sure.
I feel like per diem, it's tough because you don't get that
rapport. I feel like most of the time
when I was working per diem, I just run out and be like, I'm an
athletic trainer and then just kind of like give them a little
bit of basically like, I know, I know that you don't know me, but
I got you. Yeah, for sure.
And it's not about us, it's about you, right?
My favorite would be I had like one of my athletes knew I was
around 'cause it was a bad, it was basketball, so I was around
the baseline. So I didn't actually go on the
court for this. And just from where he was, he
was like, I'm good. Like thank you.
I was like, I know I had to come over here to check.
That's like you. You hear the stories of athletes
who get injured and then they call like, away, like when
they're away. And then they'll be like, can I
call my athletic trainer or can I talk to my athletic trainer?
Oh, I'm surprised I have and my kids.
I would for sure do that to me. Honestly, Randy, I've had
basketball athletes like visiting team basketball
athletes who are not your team and they know who you are
because they love you so much. I forgot about that.
I forgot about that, Yeah. And I remember I came to watch
and they were there. Yeah, report is an important
thing. Yeah, I, you know, what's funny
is I don't know what I did. Just be you.
I guess I was just being me. They were very jazzed to see me.
We'll probably see him this year for our basketball tournament.
Yeah, probably. They'll probably remember you
at. Least the returners.
OK, I think you should read this from from Jen, OK.
So this is a gem from Jen. I've had instances where the
internationals lose their English, they are in so much
pain or they're so scared they no longer have English.
I know enough of my common languages to say a few words to
calm them down and get them off the field.
Luckily we usually have more than one kid that speaks the
same language. I also get them to come over and
interpret. This year, however, I'm totally
screwed if my kid from Cyprus gets hurt.
No one else speaks Greek. Oh, shoot.
That's interesting that they lose their English, I mean.
I don't think I've had enough people with first language
difference to notice this. I've never had my internationals
like that. Like usually when I get out
there, they're they, they still have their English.
But like, this totally makes sense.
Yeah, I mean, I get if you're in that much pain, right, you're
just going to revert to what's comfortable.
Right, exactly. You don't have to sit there and
think about what you're trying to say 'cause even sometimes
like, and that could be frustrating too, because like
I've never had it like on the on the field, but like, like just
in a regular injury, like they don't know how to say it in like
whatever they're experiencing in English.
So, yeah. So that could be frustrating,
right. And which now means your, your
first language would be more comfortable.
So I could I could see it being reverted to that.
Right. I feel like that kind of goes
along the lines of like when a parent speaks a different
language and you have a kid who's trying to translate.
Oh yeah. To them, like if you're working
with a minor yeah, I know some of the like concussion tests are
also now I know like impact had like Spanish.
Yep, and I think I think I could be wrong but I think Sway just
updated that they have more than just English.
That's cool. I think or they were talking
about it. That makes sense.
OK, so this next one you're definitely going to have to read
because I thought it was too funny and I don't think I'm
going to make it through. It So this one's a cool one from
Kevin. How did an athlete say to me if
I didn't come out and crack a joke then they knew there was an
issue so I'd go out there and make a smart ass joke and it
calms them down right away? I always try to keep it light.
Sometimes it's a joke, sometimes it's just need a nap or
something. One of my athletes told me once
that since I'm always joking or light hearted, if I came out to
them serious with no humor then they would panic because they
knew something was really wrong. This is the funny part.
I once had a kid that I was splinting during a baseball
game. Rescue showed up, but so did a
fire truck. City rules are one piece of each
department needs to be there. And he goes, oh look, a fire
truck. I come back with I pictured you
as more of a train guy, but I guess you like the wee woos
better than the Choo Choo. He started laughing, the coach
started laughing and all he said was thanks, I needed that.
See like like I'll crack a joke but if I know.
Right. If I if I know how it'll be
received by the athlete. We did have a lot of people who
say that they crack jokes when they get out to the field.
And I think, and that's The thing is like also people wrote
the caveat that they it depends on who the athlete is.
Yeah, yeah. You can't always crack a joke.
You can't. No, you can't always crack a
joke. Not, not in all situations.
No. Not to everybody.
No, definitely not. So, Speaking of the wee woos.
And the Choo choos. And the Choo choos, is your
calming down process the same or different for an athlete with an
injury like like an ankle sprain or something versus an athlete
you've called 9114? I don't think in general, no
like it. It's always still breathing.
I get him to focus on the breath.
I think the tone is a little bit different.
That's what I was like. There is some if, if there, if
it's a subtle or if it's like a little bit of a difference.
Yeah, it's like a subtle difference because, but it's
definitely a difference. Because if it's gonna be like,
like if we're talking like 911, right, our, our goal is
hopefully not to get them into shock, right?
Right. So there's times you have to get
the AT voice out. Oh, you do an AT voice so good,
Yeah. And you got to like, really get
like, I don't know, like really stern, serious and like lock in
compared to like, calming down someone with like, an ankle
spray. And I don't have to get like,
full mode on them. So yeah, I think that would be
the difference. But in general, the elements, I
feel like they're just this. It's still breathing.
Right. So 32% of people in our poll
said both situations are the same. 68% said I respond
differently in an emergency condition.
Leah P says it depends on the environment and the reaction of
others around me and of the athlete.
It's never not serious. But I'm not an alarmist and I
make sure my tone of voice is very calm but also very
confident. Those things remain the same.
But what I say and how much I say depends on the situation.
It's fair. Maddie S says again.
I just explained to them what's happening.
I talked them through why I called.
Tell them that I'm going to need to tell them that I'm going to
stay with them until they arrive.
Ask them if they need anything while we wait.
Tell them what the next steps are once they go, and if it's my
athlete, what the plan will be after and what the follow up
process looks like. Letting them in on the process
usually helps calm them down. And then I just talk about
absolutely anything, whatever topic comes to mind that helps
them keep calm. Abigail C says for little kids,
she says it's all a precaution. And I won't leave your side
until mom or dad comes. A lot of people said they do
like the five senses while they're while they're having the
athlete like weight. Also, people said they they
talked them through it. Keep eye contact, breathing,
tell them they're doing great with a low and gentle voice.
My process is kind of similar to this.
I'll have I'll talk them through what I learned from my very
first preceptor, Haley. She talks him through the
process, including of like hearing the sirens and that the
sirens are coming and that you know, they're going to be parked
close to us. There's going to be people
coming by to help you get you out of pain, etcetera, etcetera.
So even like, I like the part about the sirens, 'cause I feel
like, I mean, it's a normal occurrence for you to hear
sirens, but they're not usually coming for you.
So that in itself, like you're already in a scary situation.
But then when you realize that like the sirens are getting
louder and you know there's going to be a bunch of people
surrounding you and a bunch of people like they're going to
hook you up to machines sometimes or, you know,
whatever's, whatever the situation is.
Like I feel like knowing the process helps.
A lot. Oh, for sure.
Yeah, I've done that too. Like, just let them know what's
going to happen. They're going to ask you a lot
of the same questions I asked you, right?
Because, you know, that gets annoying, too.
I already answered that question.
Right. All right, so.
How do you calm someone with a dislocation?
I luckily, knock on wood, I haven't had a ton of them.
I think really honestly, just one shoulder.
Really. Yeah, well.
In what sport? Track.
No way. Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, I've pretty much, I've said this story, but it's still
funny every time I say it cause OK, when you think of track,
when I say track, right, you're going to think, OK, well, maybe
pole vault, maybe a thrower. No, no, no, this was a sprinter.
Now you're thinking, oh, he probably like fell or something.
No, this was end of the season. We're going to nationals.
Our 4 by 1 qualified for nationals, right?
So this is a big deal right now. We in our heat, I'm just saying
we beat USC, Oregon and we were second to A&M.
I'm just saying granted, Oregon and USC fouled and got
disqualified. That's how we beat them.
But anywho, it doesn't matter. Beside the point.
So we decided that we're going to do stadiums one day.
Oh no. Right before we leave, by the
way, like we're leaving to Eugene, like in the next day or
two, and I get a call to go out there, someone's shoulders
dislocated. And like I'm trying to run
through my head, like what? What did we do again?
I thought maybe he fell. No, no, no, no, no.
He was resting in between sets and was about to get up and grab
the pole. And.
As he started to pull, his shoulder came out.
So was it pretty unstable beforehand?
Nope, he's never had a dislocation before.
What? Yep.
That he knows of. That's crazy.
Yep. What?
That does not make any sense. Nope.
There's more to that story. Now this kid was pretty good.
Like I don't think he like, I think he would tell me if it was
like if they were no way of. Shoulders didn't dislocate from
hey. I believe the kid.
I bet. I think he was that tired.
His muscles were that tired and that fatigued.
What? Was he doing upper body?
That was so fatiguing. I don't know, Couldn't tell you.
But you know what? This kid I trust.
I trust the. Kid, good on you for trusting
your athletes. If it was one of his teammates,
I would have kind of like, OK, but him now this.
Just like one of those freak things.
It honestly, it was probably the freakiest thing ever.
That's I think literally that's my only dislocation.
Did you get it back in? We did.
I didn't it. I tried it on the when I got
there, I couldn't get it back. And then we got him to the
athletic training room and we just literally just had it hang
in there and just had him relaxed and then.
Like with a weight. No, we didn't do the weight.
We had it just hanging. And then I was a grad assistant
at the time, so I asked one of the assistant a TS, and he got
it back in. Yeah.
And it was honestly mostly just calming him down.
Yeah, giving them a chance to relax.
Right. Hey, that's what this episode's
been. Exactly.
And then it just went in. Most people said they never let
the athlete look at them or not look at them.
Look at the. Yeah, yeah.
Look at the. Look at the dislocation.
You look at the dislocation and then they guide them through
breathing and they also explain what they're going to do.
I think it was hit or miss. If people said no one said that
they didn't explain what they're going to do.
But I think it was hit or miss because I think also taking the
time to explain what you're going to do and depending on who
it is, sometimes I think people. Make it worse, like they'll
tends up more, but yeah, right, you're going to do what?
I think it also depends on what you say.
So like for example, oh here, like Abby, Abigail C says I
don't let them look, but if that freaks them out more than I warn
them. That's cool.
Trust is huge here. So basically like she's like,
oh, you can look, but just it's dislocated.
I mean like so like I had it's. Pretty gnarly.
Like in the case of like someone who might need stitches, right?
Like I had like just not that long ago had someone with a
finger injury that needed stitches.
And like it was like it was pretty covered like so I don't
think he saw it yet. And I just asked him like, hey,
how you doing? It's like it was bleeding,
right? It's all the blood all over the
place. And it freaked some people out,
right? So I asked him like, hey, how
are we doing? He's like, oh, I'm doing good.
OK, cool. Then he asked, can I see it?
I'm like, you sure? He's like, yeah.
So if they're doing OK and they look OK and they're not like
they're not like halfway out, I'm like, no, I'm good.
Then I might let them see it. Now if bones are sticking out, I
don't know if I'm gonna let them see it because I feel like 9
times out of 10 that that person might be going out, right?
Right. But yeah, that's true.
It's. I feel like with shoulders you
can't really. It's not like you can.
Like it's kind of. Hard, yeah.
You can't really like look. I mean, you can kind of look.
But kind of code. But not as much as like.
Comfortable. Or like an elbow, even an elbow.
I think the people who I've had with elbow dislocations, they
haven't immediate like they grab it.
They actually, that's the thing. They they probably know.
Yeah. Like outside of obviously my
elbow hurts and probably feels weird, right?
Like, just them. Yeah, like holding it.
And they're like, Oh, well, that's not how my elbow normally
feels. Right elbow dislocations were
the calmest athletes I've ever had in an injury.
It's. Very interesting because I've
heard that's one of the most painful.
I've had two of them and they are they were both very calm.
I remember one of them, yeah. He seemed pretty chill.
But he also was injured all the time.
He was, yeah. First time?
No, not my first time. And then so that one is, it's
just like, OK, well, here's what we're going to do.
It's like you don't really have to actually calm them.
Yeah, yeah. That one you can definitely joke
with. Yeah, you could.
Yeah, Hit him with the oh, that's not normal.
That's not supposed to be there. That's not supposed to be facing
that way. You definitely have to be
careful about who you say that too.
What not to say, oh boy. And just walk up and be like oh,
Oh no, Oh no, that's not good. What?
No, no, it looks fine. When I was early certified I
used to say something like best case scenario this is what goes.
But I quickly learned that then they say, well what about worst
case scenario? So I don't say that anymore.
Well, worst case. We don't think about worst case
scenario, we think about best case scenario.
That's true. I think for a dislocation, most
of the time I just talk about how OK you're.
I know you're in pain now, but this is going to feel so much
better once it's back in. Yeah, I mean, I feel like, well,
especially if it's someone who's had it before, they can know
that too. So they're just like, they just
do it, do it, do it right, Yeah. What about asthma attacks?
Breathing. I feel like this one's the most
obvious for. Breathing.
I know I feel like all of them, it just boils down to breathing.
But yeah. It really, it really does.
But OK, wait, we talk about breathing like we talk about
communication. Everyone's like, oh, you need
communication, but I don't think that anyone's really, I mean,
people submitted it, but I don't think we talked about it yet of
like how you actually guide someone through breathing.
Like the way I guide someone through breathing is usually
like, OK, I need to take a big deep breath in through your nose
and then out through your mouth or, and it like sometimes if
they're like just breathing crazy, sometimes I'll be like,
OK, blow out a candle. Or especially with like asthma
attacks, like recently I had someone who like literally would
not focus. And so then I just like use my
finger as a candle. I was like blowing my finger.
This is a candle. I need to blow my finger like or
blow through a straw. Or.
Some sort? Yeah, Blow through a straw.
I like to blow through the straw.
I feel like it gives you a nice visual 'cause you also get you,
you can also, I mean blowing through the candle, you'll get
people to like actually like pucker their lips.
But like, I like. I like the visual of the straw.
Yeah, I usually like the straw. Lately, though, I've been using
the candle. Because who doesn't?
Like, I don't know when I switch, but yeah.
And then I can ask them how old are you?
And they'll tell me how big. Sorry, I don't have that many
candles. I don't have that many fingers.
That's pretty good. That's there's.
There's one of my jokes. Yeah, there it is.
Barely. Yeah, I do that.
Basically the biggest thing is just diaphragm breathing man.
As you do that, Maddie S says focusing on breathing helps the
most. Do it with them and explain that
it's going to feel horrible and panicky at first, but to make
make each exhale longer than the last and eventually it regulates
itself. Breathing slowly in through your
nose, holding it for a beat and blowing out through your mouth
like you're blowing through a straw.
It calms down your heart rate and nervous system and slows
down your breathing. People also said they have them
focus, like focus on me, do a guided breathing, someone said,
taking audible deep breaths. So the patient breathes with
you. Yeah, I'll do it with them.
I feel like you kind of have to as you're.
Talking because halftime, like when you're that in that kind of
state where you can't or it feels like you can't breathe and
you're panicked, you're like, you're not paying that much
attention. Like you hear the words, but you
don't know what they mean, right?
So I get it. That's why I'll do it with them.
I also feel like the I'll count like because they'll like
breathe in and out through their mouth and nose, you know, But I
feel like also like in for three 123, out for four 123.
Four, I should do that. I don't know why I don't count.
A lot of times I no, a lot of times I go off.
I just feel like, I feel how long it's been.
Like if I feel like they're just going, then I have to tell them,
OK, slow it down. And then, you know, I'll guide
them through taking that bigger breath through the nose and then
slowly push that air out. I feel like I have to count
because if I don't count then I feel like they cheat on how how
long they're like inhaling or eczema.
That's fair. Now I don't count like if I'm on
the field, but I do count if I'm like like with an asthma attack.
And I think that's like what kind of what it depends.
Like if it's someone who having something that they have to like
breathe or like actually, I I might do that with my rib people
too on the field. I'm trying to think, I don't
know. Again, it's kind of something
you just, it depends, you know, how many messages we got that
say it depends. I bet a ton.
Probably. Yeah, I bet a ton.
We did. How about calming someone with a
season ending injury? That one's hard.
It is honestly, Oh, it depends. Like if they're hysterical or or
just like obviously upset, like hysterical breathing, right.
Like if it's, but if it's them just going through the range of
emotions, just being upset. A lot of times I just kind of, I
let him, I let him feel it, you know?
And yeah, I'm trying to think like a lot of us just educated.
OK, here's what we're gonna do. And then like, so like I'll say
like what, what, what I feel. And I always like cause a lot of
times, right, it's like ACL or like something like that.
ACL is like what I picture when I picture having this
conversation. Most time, right, that that
tends to be the season ending injury.
I mean, there's obviously a ton that could be season ending but
yeah, you know, right. Like I let them know, like
here's, you know, here's what I'm worried about, you know, but
I can only go off of what I feel, you know, I don't have MRI
is I just, I can only go off of what it just feels like and what
my tests tell me. All right, so here's what we're
going to do. You know, we'll get it.
We'll have you refer you to here.
Here's probably what's going to happen and so on and so forth.
Yeah, I think the hardest one again, it's kind of like where
you're at season ending wise, right?
Like, like for again, like take the track example, right.
If you have a sprinter and it's April and they get a hamstring,
like a significant hamstring strain, well, conference is
probably going to be early May, right?
And then going into maybe June, like Nationals isn't until like
late or early June. So that could be season ending.
But it's not like, yeah, depending where you are, like
that doesn't really necessarily need imaging.
So that one, yeah, that one's kind of a hard, harder one
'cause you don't have that kind of like, well, you know what,
you know, we'll get imaging. We'll see.
You just kind of kind of have a feel like, yeah, that's right.
You're going to. You're kind of done.
Right. Oh, that's so tough, I feel
like. But you sorry, not to not to
interrupt, but then you also don't like you want to give them
some hope because hey, maybe they could come back, but you
don't want to give them false hope.
Be like, oh, no, we can get this back, right?
You know, so you're in that balancing act like, well, here's
what we can try, right? I just like a lot of times in
those situations, I'll just kind of be like here, like they'll
ask, or I could be like, hey, like, you know, we can try all
right, and we'll do our best to get you to whatever the goal is
as possible. But I don't just know, it may
not be feasible. Right.
So they can choose if they want
to buy into no, I'm going to do it, or as long as they're aware,
hey, it just, it may not work out in that favor.
Right. Yeah, Usually I tell them like,
OK, the test that I just did was for this.
This is what it feels like. This is what it should feel
like. Here's what I'm not feeling on
this side, or here's what I am feeling on this side, depending
on what it is. And you know, I really wish I'm
wrong about this, but you know, from what I'm, what I feel
clinically before we get any imaging or anything, this is
what I'm feeling right now. And usually they obviously most
of the time take it hard or they're like just totally numb
to it. And then usually I take it off
them. And I say, do you want me to
keep talking about this or do you want some space to process
before I go into like the surgical and the whatever
process sending you to doc like blah, blah.
Before all that. I kind of just give him and then
when I come back later, then I kind of check in with him again.
Like do you want to hear like talk more about the process or?
Yeah. What?
Yeah. Because sometimes that process
helps to hear. Yeah, for sure.
And sometimes they're just like, I can't handle anything right
now. I'm not going to hear anything
you say. Yeah.
And I think again, I think it depends, it also depends on like
if they've had it before and how many times they've had it.
Like I think a a RE tear to an ACL is way different than your
second RE tear or your third RE tear.
You mean an initial tear versus? The yeah, like, but even the
difference between like someone who just retour compared to
someone who if they're on their third re tear or their second
retail or yeah, third retail, I mean, so they've, they've
already been through the surgery like twice.
Like I think that's hard to have that like conversation too,
because yeah, I've, yeah, some people like if they just have to
think of going through it again, like you think it'd be better
because they kind of understand it.
But maybe that's the problem too, is they understand what
that process is and they're like, bro, seriously?
Maddie S says I explained to them what the timeline and
process of recovery looks like. Tell them they're allowed to
feel angry and sad, leave it open for them to ask any
questions they have and I try to parse out what what plans they
have after sport. I want them to focus on getting
better for themselves 1st and then we can discuss on what
coming back to sport looks like and I tell them they can always
change their mind. If their initial plan was to get
straight back into playing and now they want to medically
retire, that's allowed and vice versa.
They also don't have to make any decisions at all and we don't
have to tell the coaches what they decide unless they give me
approval. If that's the case, I can help
them talk to the coaches as well.
Basically just letting them know that they have options to take
different paths and that they are not in it alone.
For sure. So other people said just they
talk about the process, our role and support that we have for
them, changing their mindset. Some people, someone said they
take the injury day by day or they tell them to, we'll take
the injury day by day. Yeah, sometimes that's what it
is. Someone said tell them it's OK
to feel emotions. For sure.
We'll do a private talk or walk, sometimes alone, sometimes with
a friend or coach that actually goes straight into perfectly
into what Christina says so simply, she says sometimes you
can't calm someone seriously injury.
Sometimes it's just, yeah, I mean, I.
Was like, this is like mic drop for me.
I thought that was like, boom, that's profound.
I think the important thing is you have to remember like.
It's not about you. Yeah, it's not about you.
And like they're not going to just like quote UN quote calming
them down. It's not going to be like all of
a sudden they're just super stoked, like oh, sweet, OK,
cool. I feel, I feel I feel better
about this like they're going to still be probably like really
upset, like you tore your ACL, like it's you are not going to
play your sport for a year, right?
That's hard. Now, obviously when they walk
away, we don't want them necessarily like hysterical,
right? So kind of helping at least get
away from the hysterical part and just keep them just not, I
don't know, I don't know how else to explain just they don't
walk away hysterical. Like obviously they're going to
be sad and that's fine. And like just making sure that
at least they are able to process past hysterical.
The rest will come with time and support.
Which does not just rely on you, it's.
Going to rely on everybody that whoever their support system is.
That too, I think is important to note.
I think when we talk about a lot of things, but especially like
calming the athlete or like being the person there for them.
Like I feel like we put so much on ourselves as athletic
trainers, Like we have to be the ones to do those things.
But I think we don't also realize that.
Like just think of any time that you not even just injured, like
in general, like you are going through a hard time.
Like imagine talking to your best friend or your partner or
your parent or your sibling versus talking to someone who
you might be really close with because you see all the time at
work, but not necessarily like personally and emotionally
invested with, right? So even someone who you might
have like a lot of rapport with, you might not be the person that
that person needs. You might be part of that
equation, but you might not be the person, and that's OK.
Yeah, Yeah, that is OK. And I think that is the hard
part because like you see these athletes in the least
traditional, like traditional setting kind of view, you see
them all the time and you're with them all the time and
you're with them through their triumphs and you're with them
through their like lows and their failures.
So you, I, I feel like you probably get this sense of, and
you're also there to make them feel better, right?
They come to you with problems, like honestly, all the time.
They just come in with problems, right?
Whether it's actual injury problems or just life problems,
right? They, they, they trust us and
they, they want our opinion. So you get this feeling of like,
I, I have to make them feel better, Like I have to do what I
can. And like you said, you know it's
that's not in those kind of situations or that's a support
system solution or not the only one that's going to be helping
them. And which is also a good thing,
because if you were the only one helping them, that would just
that just screams burnout. And yeah, it'd be taxing on the
clinician. Right, right.
There have been some athletes who I have had to distance
myself from because of how much they have put on me.
Oh, interesting. Like mentally?
Yeah, and I get that. And I'm like, I am, I'm here for
you for a lot of things, but I can't be here for you for this
much like I need to refer you out for someone in your support
system or a mental health person or or literally someone else who
can deal with this in addition to just not just.
Me. Yeah, for sure.
It's also a boundary thing. For sure.
Have you ever had too calm an athlete's teammate after they
saw an injury? No, I don't think so.
That's funny, because 68% of people in our poll said yes.
Oh, interesting. Right.
I was actually surprised. Like I think that this is
common, but not as like not that common, not like 70% common.
Only 32% of people said no. Yeah.
I'm very intrigued by that. No, I mean, I've had people ask
what? Do you mean ask?
Like, is this person OK? Are they going to be OK?
My answer's always the same. They're going to be.
They're going to be OK. Because at some point, that's a
good answer. They will be OK, I promise you.
At some point, I don't know when, but at some point, well,
sometimes I do know when, but at some point they will be OK.
But I can't tell you when because HIPPA.
But that's interesting. Oh, man, yeah.
I don't think I've ever had to actually calm down a teammate.
I had someone I just shared this recently, I had someone who
passed out on the court and oh, did she pass out?
No, she passed out on the side when she was sitting on the side
and her teammate like freaked. Out.
Yeah, I remember that. For good reason, but I was
obviously tending to the athletes, so I couldn't tend to
the teammate. But one of our students jumped
in and was able to go take care of them.
Nice, which was good. It was great.
That's so interesting, I'm still trying to think.
No, I don't or really never had that before.
I don't think other than that like nothing kind of goes.
Like nothing, me actually having to calm someone down, like
obviously like teammates are concerned.
Well, you know, you see all those those videos like
basketball when someone like like breaks their tibby in half,
like snaps their tibby in half and then the whole bench is
like. Passed out, throwing up.
Not OK. Yeah.
No, I've never had that. That's interesting.
That's I'm great now that I said it.
Whitney sees, Yeah. I'm actually dealing with this
now. Whitney Sees said had an athlete
seven months out from ACL reconstruction.
They saw their best friend tear their ACL and went into
hysterics, could not get them out of the bathroom.
They even threw up. It was a process, but had to
transition their thought to now they can help their best friend
through the process because they've already done it.
It wasn't about them anymore, but instead to focus on their
best friend and be that support. I was kind of bouncing in
between the two athletes at the time, obviously trying to make
sure injured athlete was OK physically and mentally given
the situation. The friend slash teammate, the
post op athlete was sick to her stomach because it all flashed
back when she did it and everything she had previously
been through. I honestly didn't calm her down
as much as her coach had to. But after about 30 minutes she
was able to gather herself and the three of us watched the
remainder of the district tournament right behind the
bench. They end up making it to state
for the first time in a couple years, although I can't recall
any more details of what exactly I said.
I do know I had to help her the post op athlete, change her
focus and once she realized that it wasn't about her being sad
but her supporting her team mate, she was much better.
Still emotional of course, but more encouraging.
I told her we couldn't change what had happened to you, but
you can be the bestest, most supportive friend ever.
It's true. I feel like the moral of the
story is not this story, but like this whole every all these
stories are, Yeah. The action on him is like
breathing and focus, like changing their focus and
mindset. Breathing in mindset.
For sure, I think that. Almost sounds like mental health
too. Yes, it's all physical.
Pain. Physical pain and wait, it's all
mindset. Is that what you're saying?
It's it's all mindset. Sounds like a basketball team
now. It's just mindset.
That's. What I was going for, Yeah.
How often do you have to calm them down?
How often do they wait? No better question.
I have a better. Question how often do they need
to be calmed down a lot? Which team do you feel like
you've had to calm down the most?
Oh, that's hard. Yeah, actually, as I'm thinking
about this, that's really tough for me too.
Like I feel like it's so individual.
Yeah, I mean, the only, the only thing I can think of is probably
track because you have so many different events and a lot of
not a lot, but right, there's a good chunk that are distance.
Also I feel like something so easy not easy something so
simple in track can make you technically like quote UN quote
end your season or like make you scratch or like ruin your
qualifier like something along those.
And everything with track too is like everything you do is to
train at your highest level and you're trying to qualify for
things as an individual, right? You don't, you don't qualify as
like a team, A group of individuals qualify as the team.
So it's like because you have to like even your conference meet,
you have to qualify for the conference meet.
So like you're just representing your team as a whole and the
same thing for everything past that.
So it's not like team sports where my biggest thing is like
when I talk to like athletic training students about it and
like the difference between like an individual sport and like a
team sport because you know, being an AT in track like it is,
it is tough because you know, a lot of people are kind of used
to team sports and like the mentality is just slightly
different because you're 80% in a team sport.
At the end of the day, what's the goal of a team sport?
Just to win right at the end of the, I mean, obviously you want
to play well, but the true goal of like any season is, oh, we're
trying to win. We're trying to win a
championship. So you're 80%?
Like it's, I think what you're trying to say, sorry to
interrupt you is like in football, for example, like
you're not comparing your, I mean you are a little bit, but
like you're not comparing your rushing yards to the other teams
rushing yards. Like individually you're looking
to see, OK, maybe we got more passioning yards, but it didn't
end up in a. We still lost the game and at
the end of the day, we lost, right.
Whereas in an individual sport, you're 80% of like, if you're
not feeling good and you like, you may not be able to perform
well, you as an individual did not qualify.
You're you're done. Basically.
You didn't hit the marks. So it's a different mindset and
a different vibe that you have to go through.
So, Yeah, yeah. So like that's kind of like what
how I explain it. So the same thing kind of like
with like you said, like such a small, like some sometimes such
a relatively small, right, Because these are injuries and
there are big deals, all right. Something that probably wouldn't
be season ending in a team sport, maybe season ending in a
individual sport, you know, like.
Well, I mean, someone can not that, not that it's good, but
like someone can take like 2 weeks off A-Team sport yeah and
come back and be fine, but like. And again like.
Different in an individual. Sport yeah and again it it goes
back to OK, if they come back or they're probably not coming back
100%, but whatever percentage they're at probably still gives
the their team the best chance to win, you know and whereas
that individual like they're not they're not going to be able to
compete individually very well. Possibly right.
There's some that they're probably 80% is probably better
than most the fields 100 right. There are some people that are
like that, but yeah, you know it's it's it's a different
mindset and yeah and because of that and because of just how the
seasons are yes, I've had more quote UN quote season ending
injuries that kind of like you have that conversation when like
maybe in a team sport, that conversation doesn't necessarily
happen with that type of injury. So there's that calming down.
But then also, yeah, a lot of endurance events.
So kids are pushing themselves, right?
So, you know, they finish, they look horrible.
So you got to calm them down. Or the OR the students that do
have asthma, right? Like most time they're fine.
But every now and then, depending on the race, depending
on what the weather was, depending on how much dirt got
kicked up, maybe they're going into an asthma attack, you know.
So I feel like, yeah, I've had more calming down probably in
track if I had to, if I had to just pick up some because I'm
trying to think like, basketball.
Not really right, Soccer, not really.
Volleyball, no. Yeah.
So track. I could see that.
It's like a box. Of chocolates, a lot of sense.
Yeah, like a box of chocolates. Never know what you're going to.
Get Nope. That's athletic training for you
it. Depends.
What about you? I didn't have an answer to my
own question that I asked SO. But I think it's, I think it's
hard too 'cause like. I mean, here's the thing, I work
football in the fall and then in the spring it's like I've done
baseball and softball and I do basketballs.
So like I feel like the variety, like I don't really have that
much of A variety. Like I've worked other sports,
like I've worked a ton of other sports, but like not not so
consistently. So it's hard for me to like
actively compare when I feel like overarching.
I have so much more football. I feel like and I and then so
I'm just trying to compare. It's it's hard to compare like
football to like another sport in general because also you like
someone gets a fracture and they can still play.
Yeah. So I'm like when I'm working
baseball, like someone gets a fracture and they're done.
Yeah, most of the time, yeah. You know, or like even someone,
someone takes a ball to the elbow and they can't throw
right. So.
A blister. A blister on the finger, right?
The big like, everyone makes a joke, but hey, you try and throw
a baseball with a blister on your finger, it ain't going to
work very well, right? So yeah, I get that.
So I feel like it's, it's hard to compare.
I know I asked the question, but like it's hard to compare.
Like my experiences for sure. I feel like what I've needed to
calm down the most are just kids per diem, like working per diem
a lot and working with kids. When I used to work with kids,
there was it was just a lot of calming down.
Someone said we're going to see more broken hearts than broken
bones today. Yeah, that's true.
When I when I I think I was working a jiu jitsu some.
Broken egos. Exactly, it was a it was AI
think it was all ages, but we had started oh, the day was
kids. I think so like yesterday we saw
a lot of broken bones. Today we're going to see a lot
of broken hearts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right
about the kids. But I think it was something
what's sometimes nice about like, kids is like, like, I
don't know, I feel like they just transition faster.
You can distract them so. Easily.
And they'll all of a sudden kind of be fine.
Right, right. Yeah, I don't know, it's weird,
but some of them also life so simple as a.
Child like it freaks them out more to have you there.
Yeah, Yeah, that's true. Because who are you?
I don't know who you are. Yeah, here's what mom.
Right. Mom, that's my Gatorade.
Yeah, that's when I'm like, how long have you been doing this?
One time I had a kid who was in a race, some sort of cross
country or something. I'm sorry.
And I was like, how long have you been running?
And he was like, this is my first year.
And I was like, oh, you like it? And he's like, no.
That's the right answer. OK, sounds good.
Yep, see again, like that's that's another reason why I
never really liked like high school track or high school
cross because like either half the kids are being forced to do
it because like mom and mom, dad guardian did it right.
And like the other half, like still don't know what they're
doing. Like, I know it sounds really
elitist and bad, but it's really tough when you ask a kid like,
oh, what's your mileage at this week?
And they're like, Oh, I don't know, I'm like, bro, how are you
not keeping track of this? Like, come on, because they're
just I know because it's not their fault.
But that's why I did not like working high school track.
It's not. It's not for.
Everyone. It is not for everybody.
Major props again, first of all, just major props.
Always to high school a TS. Oh, absolutely.
They they are, they are amazing. Hands down, yes.
You hold the profession, you support everyone.
Completely speechless and there's not enough kind words to
say for what a high school AT does.
Honestly, my time at the high school, I loved the high school
athletes. I I worked a very special
population that I only had like 30 athletes at a time.
Yeah, but hold on, you also had eight man football Exactly,
which is which is just like a meat grinder.
Yeah, I could never do it again. Like it was.
It was insane. However, I had such a great time
and I I really enjoyed, like that age group.
I would say even them, I had to do a lot more calming down than
I do my college athletes. Yeah, which makes sense.
Like I feel like you, I mean as you, as you like, see the
progression of the sport itself as well.
Like, you see, like they know how to hit in College.
In high school, they do not know how to hit.
No, see again say right like same thing with track.
They know. Oh, I should keep keep track of
my mileage, right? Oh, what was my pace?
I was this much. Yeah, I know you should.
They don't know. They don't know.
That. That's where the that's and
that's the level that they learn that at.
So when they get to the college level, they know.
Yes. Again High school a TS just
their job is they do an amazing. Job, actually, you know what I
take back what I I I wouldn't say by a sport, but age group
actually, I think I have to calm the adults that I've worked with
down a lot more than I've had to calm down like college or I
mean, not that college are not adults, but like like like adult
adult like an actual. Some of them definitely legally
are adults, but they are not adults.
Honestly, I the more like people say that like older people say
that like, oh, like you're still a kid.
Like you're just kids and like you don't realize until you get
older and then you're just like honestly, you really are.
Like I'm just sitting there thinking like when I was like in
college and I'm just like, you really are still kind of a kid
or like. I don't know how anyone
literally not to just me personally, I don't know how
anyone trusted me when I just graduated and I looked like I
was like 18 and I just graduated grad school.
I don't know how anyone trusted me with their kid.
Like it literally I don't. I don't know.
I as a parent, I don't know how I would feel that some person is
like trying to take care of my kid.
I don't know. I don't know.
Yeah, I yeah, you're still. That's why And that's why like.
I still look like I'm in college.
That's why it's like I understood, like I try not to
get that frustrated anymore, like with paperwork, because I
understand like we're getting them like after high school,
like in 18 years. Old by paperwork.
They never like they, they just don't understand what they're
looking at or like they don't know how to answer the
questions, you know what I mean? And it's just.
Kind of insurance. Yeah, and it's not their fault.
They probably parents didn't tell you.
Well, they're and. They probably make your
appointments. Like exactly like when they were
in high school. Mom and dad probably did it all
or did a solid chunk of it. And then like you're 18 years
old and now all of a sudden I'm not asking mom and dad, he'd get
this paperwork done. I'm asking you to get this
paperwork done right. So like I'm I have learned just
be more patient. Like it's OK.
I feel like the older. Please bring your insurance
card. I'll look at it.
I'll I'll help you right. Right, I'm here to guide.
You I'm here to guide you. I feel like the older that
people get in general, the more perspective they get.
Yes, I have which. Could be a good thing and it
could be a bad thing. It could be a bad thing.
What the more perspective, I guess.
Why not not you? I feel like in general, because
I feel like sometimes when people have more perspective
than they are more cranky that other people don't have
perspective. That's fair.
I see what you're saying. Like when I was a kid, I
remember when I was a kid, I used to say I don't understand
adults who don't like kids because they were always a kid
once. Like all of them have been a kid
once. You're right, you're right.
I literally did not understand that that was the hill I was
going to die on. I did not understand adults who
did not like kids. But now as an adult, I can see
not that that's not, I do not fall in that category.
However, I can see. Well, it's not for everybody.
I can see why an adult might get annoyed by a kid because they
have different like outcome outlooks and perspectives.
Yeah, it's a lot of energy, and some adults don't.
Yeah. Also going back to the
paperwork, my favorite is when the kids realize that this is a
lot of paperwork. These are a lot of questions.
Why do I have to keep signing this?
Why do I have to do this? And part of me just wants to be
like, welcome to life. Yeah, guess what?
This. I'm actually, I'm actually
prepping you for life because this is all it's going to be.
You go to the doctor's office. Guess what you're going to ask?
Answer the same question. You can't get to the doctor's
office right exactly at your appointment time because guess
what, You have to fill out paperwork and it takes like. 12
And guess what, you're going to answer the same three questions
that you already signed when you, when you preach, when you
like checked in online, you answered that question.
And guess what? You're going to form where you
have to answer that same question.
Yes, that's just life. Should it be better?
Yes, but it's not right now, so you're welcome.
I'm prepping you so you can get frustrated with me.
Who's more patient with you than at the doctor's office where
they're not going to be patient with you?
I feel like even if you go back to our older episodes when we
were newer, well, I mean, you're obviously like you weren't like
newly, newly certified, but like if you go back to our older
episodes, even like five years ago, we've changed so much from.
I I agree. And I sometimes think like,
actually, yeah, I'm. I'm never going to go back and
listen to those old episodes because I have changed so much
as a clinician. Like I don't know if I can stand
by some of those things that like I've.
Well, we we already. Before I knew, you know what I
mean. We've already pulled out the
biggest difference in and sound bites for me.
Oh yeah, because you said that you would always be an NCAA four
year athletic trainer. Here you are working at A2.
Year, yeah, see. So boom, say just right.
There's the biggest one. Right.
So you're right, we have grown. I mean, for me, I think and as
it came up in this episode too, like I didn't see any ACL.
I've saw I saw one ACL in the first three years of my career
and I think in the past couple years I have more than doubled
that number. That's crazy.
Right. Yeah, I've had, I've had several
Acls probably in the past two years, which is I didn't, I
mean, you never know what's going to come at.
But then also opposite like I saw a lot of emergencies in my
first few years certified and I haven't had any in the last two
years. I know I say this all.
No, I say this all the time so I can't jinx it.
I'm knocking on wood. I say it all the time.
I'm OK thanks. Thanks for unjinxing me.
You're. Welcome.
I had one athletic trained student that loved saying that.
What? It's slow today.
Oh yeah, no, you can't say that. I'd be like, get out.
I'd be like, Dang it, you. Did they curse my last football
game or is that what happened? You better.
Talk to your you better talk to your students about that.
They they might have. I don't think they did, but they
might have. Who knows.
Do you have any other calming down last minute tidbits before
we? No, I think, I think we've
covered everything. No, yeah, like I said, like I
just I like to make sure like I have some contact with them,
like on them. I just let them know I'm there.
And then again, just breathing, breathing.
It goes and again it goes back. It goes back to the eval
episode. Just slow down, right?
And in this case, it's them slowing down.
I can't believe we made it through the entire episode
without saying that telling someone to calm down will not
calm them down, will not I? Definitely don't say that.
I definitely don't say calm down.
No, I just like slow down, right?
Like for them, just like let you know I.
Feel like slow down is dangerously close to calm down.
It's dangerous. Close.
That's why I don't punch it out. As but you know you use that
that it's that different tone. Yeah, it's a very gentle, it's a
very supportive slow, slow down. See.
That's better. Slow down.
Take deep breath in through your nose, out through your mouth.
That sounds familiar. Yeah, I feel like you've told
that to me before. So yeah, right.
So that's my slowdown. But like for them too, right?
Because things are happening so fast, it stresses you out more.
Right. So, so As for us slowing down on
your on field evals, the athletes slowing down because
there's plenty of times that they've feel like they've torn
their ACL and like maybe your test like, hey, it doesn't feel
quite right. It's not a definitive yes or no,
but it doesn't feel right. They get the MRI, It's not the
ACL and it was something not as severe as the ACL.
So that's why it's slowing down. Yeah, that's what I got.
So our next episode is going to go back to our education.
We're doing ACU, we're doing. ACU.
And then we also have a couple of exciting interviews in the
works, so keep tuned for that. If you guys are new, we do
several different types of episodes.
We do story episodes like this one and the last one with
stories from athletic trainers all over all over.
And then we also have education episodes that are good for C us
depending on. And they're dope.
On which episode it is to make sure you check the show notes.
We are transitioning to being ACU provider alongside athletic
training chat and clinically pressed.
Big thank you to them. So they are currently putting
our episodes on their website to make sure you check their
website through our show notes so you can see which ones are
already up and which ones are also free.
Take advantage of those, especially since it is not
reporting year yet, but next. Year will be never too early to
start. Never too early.
Get get sees now. And then we also do interview
episodes where we bring people on for interviews.
I think that's all I got. Thank you for helping us
showcase athletic training behind the tape.
Bye.