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You're listening to episode 176 
of the Marathon Running Podcast.

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In this episode, we're going to 
talk about some marathon news 

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and the Berlin Marathon. 
This is the Marathon Running 

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podcast by Letty and Ryan from 
We Got The Runs. 

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Hey, runners, and welcome to 
episode 176. 

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My name is Letty. 
My name is Ryan and we are the 

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hosts of the weekly Marathon 
Running podcast where we give 

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you episodes with experts on 
nutrition training, we do race 

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recaps, we do news, and we bring
you basically everything. 

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So you can be rest assured 
you're going to have good 

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information coming at you. 
And this week we're going to 

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talk about the Berlin Marathon. 
We didn't actually run the 

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Berlin Marathon, but there was a
lot about the Berlin Marathon on

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the news. 
We have three interviews for you

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guys, one with an official of 
the Berlin Marathon, another one

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with fart like Fanatic who ran 
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And then last but not least, we 
talked to Bottle Klaus, who is 

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Elliot Kiptoggie's official 
water bottle carrier. 

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But. 
Before we do that, we're going 

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to talk about some marathon 
news. 

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So let's get right into it, 
Letty, tell me about the news. 

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You have some news about the 
Boston Marathon. 

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I do. 
Last week, the Boston Athletic 

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Association announced what the 
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Boston Marathon. 
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Don't know about the Boston 
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Can you explain how that works? 
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So in order to run the Boston 
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So for anyone under the age 
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for a man is 3 hours, and for 
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you have 35 to 3940 to 444445 to
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qualifying time, then you're 
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not guaranteed entry, right? 
That's right, Ryan. 

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And that's where it gets a 
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So there's a field size. 
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Marathon is always 30,000, so 
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It doesn't matter if there's 
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year 33,000 applicants, and the 
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they take that have a qualifying
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The other 8000 spots go to 
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Boston actually has amazing 
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that want to go that route and 
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So this year, like I said, we 
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And what that means is there is 
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apply, then everyone would make 
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they're allowed on the course, 
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times will get cut, and that's 
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For each age group, there is a 5
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to run at 324 and 31 seconds. 
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really fast. 
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Is that typical? 
There's typically a buffer. 

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There's been buffers over the 
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the last two years, everybody 
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And I think that must have been 
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for other countries, insurance 
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people were required to show 
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And not everybody agrees with 
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So congratulations to everyone 
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And we're really sorry our heart
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I think that's, you know, it's 
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But anyway, so that's it for our
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particular race and let's move 
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We're going to do a little bit 
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Marathon, even though we weren't
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there was so much on the news 
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talking news. 
We have a new world record 

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holder for the women's marathon,
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two hours, 11 minutes and 53 
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the old record is that? 
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hours and 14 minutes, so almost 
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And the next runner after her 
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came in at 21749. 
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faster than the next lady. 
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running, yeah. 
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energy at the end too, so. 
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I'm not getting at anything. 
I'm not implying anything. 

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I'm just saying that was pretty 
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this is a true record, you know,
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It's better not to make 
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know it is I, you know it does. 
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like well how do they, how do 
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Do they actually look at times 
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think in the past have gone 
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Where people further back in the
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making their times faster by you
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Like if they had splits that are
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their splits got really short 
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questions, like how much is of 
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legal, you know if as long as 
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much of it is related to other 
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it, say the word. 
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There's a lot of that in. 
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cycling and stuff and people 
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even in track and field and then
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people and catch people that are
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Not saying that she is like I 
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You know, but it'd be 
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why not trying to find one of 
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can talk to them. 
So I think that's going to be an

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upcoming podcast, right? 
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Anti Doping Agency as well as 
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the testing works for marathon 
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And hopefully we'll be lining up
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learn about it because 
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We know that there is a talk 
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kinds of doping. 
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EPO, there's all kinds of stuff.
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All that stuff. 
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Yeah, and what better way to 
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we can is to go to the officials
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every day and hopefully they'll 
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can find exactly. 
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Ron earlier about Ron Tab as 
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He's also a really good friend. 
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before for people that don't 
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That was, you know, Olympic 
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You guys were talking back and 
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the men's right? 
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is obviously a contender at the 
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The other guy was Amos Kipruto, 
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Kip Chogi took the race again, 
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new world record. 
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than his world record and he 
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Well, 2 minutes will be fast, 2 
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Yeah, that's crazy fast. 
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You know, he's what was his 
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I know he was trying to fleet 
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that was unofficial, right? 
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That's his world record so far. 
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So he's only a minute off, which
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with that. 
You know, he is happy with the 

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results and we were able to land
an interview with his water 

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bottle handler bottle Klaus from
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We've had him on the podcast 
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quick chat with him to see how 
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going on in this episode. 
We also have a Berlin Marathon 

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official, Thomas Stephens, who's
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covet about the marathon, who 
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And then we also talked to fart 
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this Berlin Marathon. 
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perhaps the weather, it didn't 
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But he has an amazing positive 
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around and actually enjoy it for
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beautiful city. 
So we're going to talk to all 

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three of those. 
So what do you think, Ryan? 

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Which one should we hop into 
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So. 
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stats and numbers with the 
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start with the race director? 
Sounds like a good plan. 

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All right. 
So without any further ado, here

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is my conversation with Thomas 
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Hi, Thomas. 
Thank you so much for coming 

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back on my podcast on short 
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anyway. 
And you know, just for the 

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listeners that haven't heard you
on our previous podcast, I think

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it was almost two years ago, 
perhaps you can let our 

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listeners know how who you are 
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affiliated with the Berlin 
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Happy to be here. 
Well, my name is Thomas 

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Steffens. 
I joined the company which is 

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stage of the burn Marathon in 
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But I'm still affiliated with 
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it's two things. 
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with other other sports plus the
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The event agency which is 
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So I'm still consulting. 
I'm on the board of the club, so

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I'm still involved in the whole 
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everyday basis, but yeah, I 
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going on. 
I have an official jacket which 

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I which I wear here for the 
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I didn't wear it on marathon 
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It was too warm. 
So you see, it's not my color, 

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my, my. 
The color I would choose, but 

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it's a it's the official 
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Perfect. 
Well, let's start with where you

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wear on Sunday. 
Were you at the race or what 

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were you doing? 
On Sunday I was actually in the 

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finish line at first. 
I was at the start, I took a 

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friend and I gave her a tour of 
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So we went at the start, waited 
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off, then walked to the finish 
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walk. 
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around the the finish line area,
that's awesome. 

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And obviously you notice the 
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Maybe you can tell us what the 
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know this year they've increased
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48,000 registered runners, which
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break. 
We had a COVID break into 20, as

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many other marathons didn't take
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In 219 we had the highest ever 
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was let me see, I think it was 
let me 43,900 finishes which was

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about 49 or 50,000 registered 
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So we're almost back at the at 
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And does that in your opinion 
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Because a lot of runners were 
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race was very congested, some of
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where it gets more narrow. 
What do you guys think about 

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that? 
Yeah, I heard about that. 

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Well, normally the procedure is 
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several corals. 
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the last start the last coral is
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So it's takes about 1 1/2 hour 
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has left the starting line. 
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narrow for construction works 
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So maybe it was a little more 
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year when there was so many 
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the runners who are not. 
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So it's a mixture of both a lot 
of people and it and the streets

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are not as wide as in the 
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All right, so let's talk about 
the protest. 

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Apparently there was a protest. 
Maybe tell us what it is between

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a lot of people haven't heard 
about it. 

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I've only heard about it from a 
couple of people. 

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Yeah, well, that's a that's 
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in Germany, especially in Berlin
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everything happens. 
This is where the media is and 

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that's where those people are 
taking and doing their actions. 

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They are, they are blocking the 
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And they had announced that they
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which is strange in a way, 
because they're fighting for 

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climate and runners are running 
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We are now we cleaning the 
streets of cars and that day for

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many hours, so wouldn't be a 
reason to do something. 

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But all they want is they want 
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something that is taking that is
in the public eye. 

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But they try to do it right 
before the start. 

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But it took about 15 to 20 
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because, well, you know, this is
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The most police, the most 
security people. 

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So it was, it was they were they
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immediately and they didn't 
disturb the race and it's going 

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and they were trying to pour 
paint on the road is that way. 

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They they, they, they spray 
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last week, which is very hard to
take away. 

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They spray paints to all kinds 
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You know what they do? 
They? 

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They demolish pictures in the in
the museums and all that stuff. 

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Not only in Germany, yeah. 
That's been very, very naive. 

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That's unfortunate that that 
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know you guys had your security 
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affect. 
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attention they they they thought
they would get. 

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But probably, of course, that 
the news were there, but in the 

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life coverage there was. 
There was almost nothing to see 

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about that. 
Perfect. 

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So. 
All right, so from you guys's 

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team, when you debriefed the 
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that you thought were really 
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And what were some things that 
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working on for next year? 
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big Jubilee, 50th and. 
I I can't go very deep into that

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because I'm not member of the 
team anymore, so I'm not sitting

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together with them when they 
have their debriefing and the 

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debriefs have not yet been 
finished. 

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But all I can say is, so we 
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narrow roads and stuff like 
that. 

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You can't change that. 
You can't. 

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You won't change the course 
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Roads in Germany. 
Streets in Germany are not that 

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wide in some parts, so they have
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to get the field going, maybe 
spread it, spread it a little 

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further apart. 
But I can't go in depth because 

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I haven't been part of any 
debrief at this point. 

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All right, this let me ask one 
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anniversary that'll happen next 
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What can you tell our runners 
that we have to look forward to?

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Is there any special planning 
that will be happening or how 

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are? 
They lots of planning, but no 

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news, Lots of planning and I 
think they won't deliver any 

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news before the beginning of 
next year. 

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They have a trailer out now, 
which you can watch at the the 

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website go to the Berlin 
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They have this 50th anniversary 
trailer. 

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Of course it's the big thing and
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things not only on marathon day 
but in the days before. 

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Maybe some cultural events and 
some other events. 

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I could imagine that a few of 
the former winners will be 

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there. 
That would make sense. 

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We did that at the 40th at the 
40th anniversary. 

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But there will be some more 
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Because it's the 50th and the 
50th is a special one. 

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Of course. 
Yeah, it's the golden 

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anniversary, So that'll be 
awesome. 

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All right. 
So we can look forward to maybe,

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I don't know, I'm misregulating.
Maybe Adidas will have gold in 

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their jackets for that time. 
Who knows? 

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Choose for everybody. 
Registration has started I think

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yesterday and it's gone. 
It's going to last until 

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November 16. 
So there's the bits of ballot 

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where you register and then the 
lottery starts and then some 

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happy runners. 
Some will be happy, some will 

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not be happy. 
But there are always other ways 

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to get into the race, like 
charities, but all these 

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informations you will find on 
the website of course. 

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Thank you so much Thomas for. 
You're so welcome. 

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Have a nice weekend. 
All right. 

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Thank you Thomas for all the 
insight. 

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I think that's always a good way
to start. 

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You know, you get the stats and 
the numbers. 

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But next, let's hear from Fort 
Lake Joe. 

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All right. 
So I'm back on with Fart Lake 

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Fanatic Joe, Willie Walker. 
Joe, can you introduce yourself 

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for our audience that haven't 
heard about you yet? 

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Hey everybody, I'm glad to be on
today. 

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My name is Joe Willie Walker. 
I go under the handle fart like 

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fanatic on Instagram and all of 
my other social channels, and 

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I've been running endurance 
races for probably about a 

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decade now. 
Several marathons under my belt 

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and even more half marathons, I 
can't even count. 

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But I'm currently chasing the 
six World Majors and they're 

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probably going to add a 7th one 
soon, which is what I'm hearing.

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But I'm going to continue 
chasing them until I get them 

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all. 
So I'm glad to be here with 

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y'all to discuss the Berlin 
Marathon, which I just ran five 

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days ago. 
Yes, you did. 

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And you're fresh back in the 
States. 

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Congratulations. 
Welcome back. 

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And let's dive right into that, 
because I know that you, I've 

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watched your training. 
I know what you're capable off, 

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and you didn't really run your 
goal time. 

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You still have a great time. 
But maybe tell us? 

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A little summary of why do you 
think you didn't hit your goal 

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pace for that race? 
Well you know this was my first 

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international race so it was my 
first time going over the pond 

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and and trying to get everything
logistically planned out for a 

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successful race. 
And I did have, I did have a 

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goal in mind. 
I had, I had a pace strategy and

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I was hoping to hit it because 
you know, Berlin is known to be 

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fast and. 
But whenever I took off, I ran 

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about halfway through the 
marathon at my goal pace, and I 

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was hitting consistent negatives
until a little after the halfway

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mark I realized it was going to 
be really tough to hit that 

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goal. 
And the main reason was because 

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it was severely crowded. 
And that that led to you being 

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mentally on high alert at all 
times, making sure you weren't 

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going to step on somebody or 
trip some more or get tripped by

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someone. 
And so then I've made the call 

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at that point to just kind of 
sit back in cruise control and 

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enjoy the entire second-half of 
the marathon. 

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I quit pushing and and I just 
set into a comfortable pace to 

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where I can experience it all, 
take in the scenery and just 

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enjoy the overall atmosphere. 
Yeah, that's what I realized. 

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You were one of the people that 
I was tracking, and it wasn't 

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just you who had that opinion 
about it being congested. 

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This year Berlin had almost 
48,000 runners and the streets, 

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as you know, are narrow. 
So was that what it was or were 

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there other aspects that made it
so crowded? 

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Or I guess I'm asking why was it
so crowded and what way? 

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Well, I I quickly realized from 
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the. 
The overall marathon was crowded

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in in several different aspects 
and that that started with the 

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getting to the winter circle in 
the morning and getting 

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everything ready and seeing that
crazy long lines for the porta 

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potties they had. 
They had people that were in 

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line for the Porta Pottey for 
over an hour or some that didn't

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even get to go because they 
realized that the race was about

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to start and they were running 
out of time. 

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So at that point I realized Okay
are they were they not prepared 

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for almost 48,000 runners or 
like how how did this how did we

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end up in this situation where 
there wasn't quite enough Porta 

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potties for the amount of people
there which also led to the 

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corral which was extremely 
crowded. 

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But I'll I'll lead, I'll lead 
into how we got from the Porta 

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potties to the corral. 
So so here are. 

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Waiting, thankfully. 
Thankfully I didn't need to use 

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the porta potty I I was able to 
use the bathroom at my hotel and

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I was fine after that. 
But I saw the porta potty lines 

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and they were the longest I had 
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So later on I'm I'm starting to 
look for where my corral is, so 

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I'm looking at the signs. 
I'm trying to find which path I 

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have to take because you go 
through the park. 

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And down some of the park trails
to get to your Corral where the 

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main road is. 
And I'm in Corral Sea for this 

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race and I noticed that a BCD&E 
were all part of wave 1. 

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So all of us went One Direction 
and they had one entrance for 

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all those corrals for wave one 
and it was one trail through the

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park area and as we're going 
through the park area. 

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The trail is extremely crowded, 
but I also start to notice to my

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left and right that runners are 
using the bathroom throughout 

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the park. 
In the woods, behind trees, 

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behind bushes. 
I mean they're going #1 and #2 

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on all sides of you. 
This this also made me reflect 

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back on Okay. 
These people waited forever for 

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a porta potty and never got to 
go into one. 

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And we are about 15 minutes out 
from the start. 

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We're going down this trail to 
funnel into this one little 

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opening to get to Corral's a 
BCD&E and it's a lot of runners.

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So they did what they had to do.
They they they pulled off to the

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side and pulled their pants down
and they use the bathroom in the

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park. 
So that was quite the 

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experience. 
But we continue to kind of trek 

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along. 
I got into the corral. 

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And I get there and like I said,
it's about 15 minutes before the

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start. 
So of course they closed the 

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gates on us, but it was a little
fence that you had to hop over. 

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But the corral itself for Corral
Sea was so shoulder to shoulder 

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tight that if I jump the fence I
didn't have a spot to land. 

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I was going to land on top of 
somebody. 

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So I had to me and several other
people, I mean there was there 

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was probably fifty of us that 
were trying to get into Corral 

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Sea. 
By jumping the fence and we had 

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to ask people to hey can you 
smash over or just kind of scoot

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about two feet or maybe 3 feet 
so I can have a slot to jump 

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into whenever I get over this 
fence And that's pretty much 

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what it was we we we able to 
climb the fence had enough room 

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to jump down jump down got there
and you were pretty much 

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breathing down someone's neck 
and. 

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Like I said in one of my one of 
my Instagram reels, if you 

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needed to tie your shoe at that 
point while you're in the 

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corral, you were not going to do
it because you didn't have 

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enough room to bend down. 
And. 

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And that that pretty much that 
same feeling of being crowded 

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lasted throughout the duration 
of the race as well. 

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So not just the corrals and the 
porta potties, but also on the 

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streets for the entire 26.2 
miles. 

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Are you looking for the perfect 
apparel that mirrors your love 

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for running? 
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runner. 
Boston, as you know is has 

457
00:26:37,310 --> 00:26:41,270
pretty narrow roads and this 
year is Boston also. 

458
00:26:41,270 --> 00:26:44,510
I can see why they cap it at 
30,000 people, just because it's

459
00:26:44,510 --> 00:26:47,510
so narrow in the streets that 
you're literally shoulders or 

460
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:48,950
shoulder. 
I think the only way you could 

461
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:52,350
really solve that is if you had 
some kind of rolling start like 

462
00:26:52,350 --> 00:26:54,590
they did that one year because 
that was beautiful. 

463
00:26:54,590 --> 00:26:59,460
You could just be in the buses, 
but you were forced to be with 

464
00:26:59,460 --> 00:27:01,660
you within your group of how 
fast you run. 

465
00:27:01,660 --> 00:27:03,780
They were very strict on 
checking your bibs. 

466
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:07,140
So do you think that's another 
thing that could have happened, 

467
00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:09,860
that there was a lot of runners 
that shouldn't have been in the 

468
00:27:09,860 --> 00:27:13,740
corral with you or with each 
other, that we're just trying to

469
00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:18,780
run faster? 
That is a possibility because 

470
00:27:18,780 --> 00:27:23,100
the corrals were just they were 
all bumped up in against another

471
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:27,520
down the street. 
So you know, if if corrals, you 

472
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,600
know, D&E behind me had runners 
that felt as though they can run

473
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,640
faster and they need to get with
the pace groups and see they 

474
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,760
could have just walked kind of 
up and just kind of work their 

475
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,240
way up toward the next corral. 
There was no divider in between 

476
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,800
the letters. 
So ultimately, once you were on 

477
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,120
that street and you were in the 
corrals, you could have made 

478
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,560
your way all the way up to B if 
you wanted to, but you would 

479
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,640
have had to have been able to do
so early enough. 

480
00:27:54,820 --> 00:27:57,900
To where you can walk your way 
up and kind of work your way 

481
00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:00,940
between the people. 
Because like I said, I I got 

482
00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:04,260
there 15 minutes before the 
start and once you were in that 

483
00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:07,100
spot, you weren't moving. 
It was, it was so packed. 

484
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:10,580
But like I said, that might have
just been the the compression of

485
00:28:10,580 --> 00:28:13,740
all of the other letters and the
other corrals behind you kind of

486
00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:16,660
moving forward as well. 
And then tell me about the water

487
00:28:16,660 --> 00:28:18,180
stops. 
Because I had that experience 

488
00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:21,060
that you were talking about too,
about almost slipping and 

489
00:28:21,060 --> 00:28:23,540
falling because they use plastic
cups. 

490
00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:25,940
Even though Germany is my 
country, we're really good with 

491
00:28:25,940 --> 00:28:28,820
recycling everything. 
I don't understand why they use 

492
00:28:29,060 --> 00:28:31,580
water cups. 
They say it's reusable water 

493
00:28:31,580 --> 00:28:35,060
cups, but come on, it's a race. 
Yeah, yeah. 

494
00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:36,700
These weren't being reused for 
sure. 

495
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:39,020
I mean, whenever you pass the 
water, stop. 

496
00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:41,140
There were plastic cups smashed 
all over the road. 

497
00:28:41,140 --> 00:28:42,580
They were not reusing these 
cups. 

498
00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:45,810
Sure. 
But overall, like whenever, 

499
00:28:45,810 --> 00:28:47,530
whenever the gun went off, we 
took off. 

500
00:28:47,930 --> 00:28:50,810
And you know, typically with a 
race, the very beginning is 

501
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:54,490
crowded and you and you expect 
it to kind of let up and it 

502
00:28:54,490 --> 00:28:56,530
starts to space out as the race 
goes along. 

503
00:28:57,410 --> 00:29:01,970
Well, this one you know, 3 miles
in still crowded, 5 miles in 

504
00:29:01,970 --> 00:29:05,250
still crowded, and it just 
continued to where? 

505
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,560
You were pretty much on on high 
alert mentally that to at all 

506
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,760
times to make sure that you 
weren't going to step on 

507
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,920
somebody's foot or or somebody 
else trip you from behind or 

508
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,320
from the side or something like 
that. 

509
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:23,800
And then it it it restricted you
from going faster, so to say, 

510
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,640
because it took a lot of effort 
in expending a lot of energy to 

511
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,280
try to pass people up and kind 
of weave your way through the 

512
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,800
crowd, so, So that slowed down 
the pace groups. 

513
00:29:35,150 --> 00:29:39,190
You know, to an extent, but what
really slowed down the groups 

514
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:43,310
was the water stops. 
So every time that you got to a 

515
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:46,110
water stop with a plastic cup, 
you can't. 

516
00:29:46,150 --> 00:29:50,150
You can't squeeze the cup like 
you can with paper and continue 

517
00:29:50,150 --> 00:29:55,030
to run your 7 minutes 715 minute
pace while drinking. 

518
00:29:55,630 --> 00:29:57,230
It just doesn't happen. 
A plastic cup. 

519
00:29:57,270 --> 00:29:59,470
I mean, you're you, you try to 
do that and you're just pouring 

520
00:29:59,470 --> 00:30:03,470
the water all over your face. 
And not drinking as much as you 

521
00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:06,110
would like. 
So what happened was people 

522
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:09,470
started to realize that and they
would actually get their cup and

523
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:13,750
they would slow down to 8 or 9 
minute pace to drink their water

524
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:15,670
and then throw it to the side 
and then speed up again. 

525
00:30:16,350 --> 00:30:21,190
So that ended up being 
congestion and and it, and it 

526
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:25,790
really did every every runner I 
spoke to said that the water 

527
00:30:25,790 --> 00:30:29,150
tables, the water stops, slowed 
them down tremendously. 

528
00:30:30,850 --> 00:30:33,370
And and part of that's also 
because you have to be cautious 

529
00:30:33,370 --> 00:30:35,730
to make sure you weren't going 
to step on one of those cups 

530
00:30:36,250 --> 00:30:39,370
because if you stepped on one of
the plastic cups with the 

531
00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:42,810
pavement being wet in that area,
you were going to slip. 

532
00:30:42,970 --> 00:30:44,930
It was, it was very, very 
slippery. 

533
00:30:45,930 --> 00:30:50,090
So I mean from a liability 
standpoint, I would be worried 

534
00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:55,010
about that because it was, it 
would, it was easily done 

535
00:30:55,010 --> 00:30:57,570
because I saw several runners 
that actually slipped. 

536
00:30:58,370 --> 00:31:02,280
Thankfully, I did not. 
I kind of kept my feet low as I 

537
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,680
crossed through those areas to 
make sure that I was kicking the

538
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,240
cups out of the way rather than 
stepping on them. 

539
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,880
So, so that was another another 
hurdle that that I think could 

540
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,360
have easily been solved if they 
just used paper cups and 

541
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,400
recycled them, yeah, that's a 
lot to have to be aware of, 

542
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,680
especially when you're running 
fast. 

543
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,160
And I think that's kind of what 
it boils down to. 

544
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,960
Unless you're in that elite 
corral where you have all the 

545
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,460
space in the world, all the 
support in the world, then for a

546
00:31:30,460 --> 00:31:34,060
race this packed, it's almost 
like you just want to run it for

547
00:31:34,060 --> 00:31:36,860
fun and not try to PR, which is,
you know, not really what we 

548
00:31:37,180 --> 00:31:39,660
trained for when we go through 
our training cycles. 

549
00:31:41,220 --> 00:31:45,860
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. 
So yeah, I had a goal for for 

550
00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:48,580
Berlin because it's known to be 
a fast course, you know, and and

551
00:31:48,580 --> 00:31:53,100
I had, I mean my Garmin was set 
where I had my splits and which 

552
00:31:53,140 --> 00:31:55,860
miles I was going to hit splits 
and you know, kind of drop the 

553
00:31:55,860 --> 00:31:58,260
hammer. 
To go faster and what not. 

554
00:31:58,260 --> 00:32:04,620
And I was I was keeping up with 
them until around mile 15 

555
00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:08,220
whenever I was supposed to drop 
again to like a 650. 

556
00:32:08,860 --> 00:32:14,220
And I realized that that wasn't 
going to happen and at that 

557
00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:16,060
point I was I kept trying to hit
it. 

558
00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:19,580
I kept trying to hit it, but I 
kept getting slowed down by by 

559
00:32:19,580 --> 00:32:20,660
other factors. 
So. 

560
00:32:21,580 --> 00:32:25,940
That's whenever I basically, I 
basically turned off my workout 

561
00:32:25,940 --> 00:32:27,820
that I had programmed into my 
Gorman. 

562
00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:31,140
And I said, you know what, I'm 
I'm missing the opportunity to 

563
00:32:31,140 --> 00:32:35,940
actually soak in this marathon 
and enjoy what's around me, the 

564
00:32:35,940 --> 00:32:38,380
beauty of the architecture, the 
city, the crowd. 

565
00:32:39,060 --> 00:32:43,380
So at mile 15 or so, that's 
whenever I just said, all right,

566
00:32:43,380 --> 00:32:46,460
let's, let's sit back, let's put
it in cruise control. 

567
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:49,390
Let's just let's just coast our 
way through the rest of this 

568
00:32:49,390 --> 00:32:53,190
marathon and let's enjoy what's 
going on around me because it 

569
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:54,750
was. 
I mean, it was awesome what was 

570
00:32:54,750 --> 00:32:57,670
going on around us. 
The crowds were amazing. 

571
00:32:57,670 --> 00:33:01,590
So at that point I started 
getting to where I would. 

572
00:33:01,630 --> 00:33:05,630
I was stopping to shake hands 
with little kids, I was dancing 

573
00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:07,390
with the crowds on the side of 
the road. 

574
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:11,670
I started interacting with 
everybody a lot more and just 

575
00:33:11,670 --> 00:33:14,470
really enjoying that second-half
of the marathon without. 

576
00:33:15,130 --> 00:33:19,050
You know, the the stress of 
trying to achieve something that

577
00:33:19,050 --> 00:33:22,810
was actually very difficult to 
achieve given the situation. 

578
00:33:23,650 --> 00:33:26,250
So that's a learning lesson for 
all of our listeners that you 

579
00:33:26,250 --> 00:33:28,970
know, when you realize your race
is not going the way you want it

580
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:32,810
to go, it's sometimes OK to just
let go and then focus on the 

581
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:35,130
beautiful side of it. 
Because you know how fast you 

582
00:33:35,130 --> 00:33:37,250
are, you know what your goal is 
and what you can reach. 

583
00:33:37,530 --> 00:33:40,090
But if the conditions don't 
align with that, then what's the

584
00:33:40,090 --> 00:33:41,890
point? 
Rather make it a good day than 

585
00:33:41,890 --> 00:33:45,110
trying to be miserable and 
getting some half done goal 

586
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:47,510
right. 
Yeah, exactly. 

587
00:33:47,510 --> 00:33:50,390
I mean, I could have, I could 
have continued to hack away at 

588
00:33:50,390 --> 00:33:52,670
it and try to hit that goal, but
I think it would have just led 

589
00:33:52,670 --> 00:33:55,270
to me being frustrated more than
anything. 

590
00:33:55,270 --> 00:33:59,070
So instead of that, I I chose to
just turn it around and say 

591
00:33:59,550 --> 00:34:03,310
let's make this a moment of joy 
and and accomplishment in the 

592
00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:05,950
fact that we're here, we're 
running the Berlin Marathon. 

593
00:34:05,950 --> 00:34:10,070
We got accepted into this race 
to run it and we want to be able

594
00:34:10,070 --> 00:34:12,830
to soak it in and remember as 
much as we can so. 

595
00:34:13,350 --> 00:34:17,110
Yeah, at that point I I I 
stopped looking at the ground 

596
00:34:17,110 --> 00:34:19,389
and the runners in front of me 
and I started looking up more 

597
00:34:19,389 --> 00:34:21,750
and I started to look at the 
buildings and architecture and 

598
00:34:22,150 --> 00:34:25,429
pretty much the beauty that was 
surrounding me and and it was 

599
00:34:25,429 --> 00:34:28,830
nice it was so there there will 
be other races that I can run 

600
00:34:28,830 --> 00:34:32,190
really fast that that just 
wasn't gonna be the day okay. 

601
00:34:32,190 --> 00:34:35,150
So before I ask you what your 
redemption race is and when it 

602
00:34:35,150 --> 00:34:39,150
is, tell me who you think the 
Berlin Marathon is for. 

603
00:34:39,150 --> 00:34:42,270
Would you run it again? 
If so, under what circumstances?

604
00:34:42,469 --> 00:34:46,030
And what can the race directors 
and people in charge do to 

605
00:34:46,030 --> 00:34:51,710
improve this race? 
Oh well, I my number one 

606
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:54,550
solution would have been to 
decrease the field size. 

607
00:34:55,830 --> 00:35:00,630
The only thing I could think is 
for #1 get more porta potties. 

608
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:04,870
Get it set up so that these 
runners can get themselves 

609
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:08,510
prepared and ready before the 
race without any issues or or a 

610
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:13,150
hassle. 
Trying to use the bathroom #2. 

611
00:35:14,350 --> 00:35:17,190
The only thing I could think is 
the way that they roll out the 

612
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:21,870
corrals and how much time is 
spaced between the two just to 

613
00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:25,270
give a little bit more of a gap 
on the roads and give a little 

614
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:29,430
bit more space in between the 
different pace groups with with 

615
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:32,110
hopes that it it just. 
You know, allows for a little 

616
00:35:32,110 --> 00:35:34,590
bit more room to breathe while 
racing. 

617
00:35:35,790 --> 00:35:37,430
Yeah, absolutely. 
That's great. 

618
00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:40,990
Those are some great points. 
And so, yeah, let's hear, what's

619
00:35:40,990 --> 00:35:43,950
your redemption race? 
Are your legs fresh enough to 

620
00:35:43,950 --> 00:35:47,270
have it soon, or do you feel 
like you lost out on this 

621
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:52,350
training cycle? 
Well, I'm going to, I'm going to

622
00:35:52,350 --> 00:35:56,310
maintain the aerobic fitness 
that I have and the endurance 

623
00:35:56,310 --> 00:36:02,080
that I've built. 
I had, well, I do have a 

624
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,480
registration for CIM that I 
could run in December, December 

625
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,640
3rd, but I'm I'm not sure I'm 
going to do that. 

626
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,560
I think I'm going to kind of 
step back and do a full reset, 

627
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,520
start focusing on strength work,
start, start focusing on more 

628
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,880
speed work, become a stronger, 
more efficient overall runner as

629
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,280
we approach the holidays. 
And I actually just signed up 

630
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,580
for the Houston Half Marathon. 
So I'm going to be chasing a 

631
00:36:30,580 --> 00:36:37,420
fast half in January in Houston,
and I just found out that the 

632
00:36:37,540 --> 00:36:41,780
New York Rd. 
Runners just announced that 2024

633
00:36:41,780 --> 00:36:46,100
will be the last year that they 
accept 1/2 marathon time 

634
00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:48,900
qualification to get into the 
New York City Marathon. 

635
00:36:49,660 --> 00:36:54,740
So this will be the last last 
chance to enter and get. 

636
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,640
Accepted into the New York City 
marathon by way of 1/2 marathon 

637
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,280
qualifying time. 
So of course I looked at it and 

638
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,960
I said okay, what do I have to 
do to get into New York City? 

639
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,720
I need to run a sub 125 half 
marathon. 

640
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,120
So I was like okay, I can do 
that. 

641
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,320
I think I can do that. 
So, so that's the goal to try to

642
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,160
get faster. 
I feel like this past training 

643
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,600
block, I increased my mileage 
significantly. 

644
00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:25,700
And I didn't focus on speed as 
much. 

645
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:30,700
I just built an aerobic engine 
more than anything and I feel 

646
00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:32,020
like I lost a little bit of 
speed. 

647
00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:36,220
So I'm looking to get that back.
And I'm going to achieve that by

648
00:37:36,220 --> 00:37:38,180
chasing that fast half in 
January. 

649
00:37:38,180 --> 00:37:44,180
And then following that, I have 
the Eugene Marathon at the end 

650
00:37:44,180 --> 00:37:51,540
of April in Eugene OR Okay. 
So that's that's great and yeah,

651
00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:55,930
I mean I guess for some people 
the high mileage works miracles.

652
00:37:55,930 --> 00:37:59,730
I'm I'm one of them where, you 
know you cut back on speed and 

653
00:37:59,730 --> 00:38:03,690
then that high mileage does 
something but for others it 

654
00:38:03,690 --> 00:38:05,970
doesn't. 
I don't know. 

655
00:38:05,970 --> 00:38:08,170
But I wish you good luck with 
all of it. 

656
00:38:08,170 --> 00:38:10,850
I can't wait to see how how 
everything turns out. 

657
00:38:10,850 --> 00:38:13,770
I'm sorry but Berlin, because I 
know how fast you have seen your

658
00:38:13,770 --> 00:38:18,450
workouts online and so it is a 
bummer, but I'm glad that you 

659
00:38:18,490 --> 00:38:22,010
made something good out of it 
and you enjoyed your experience 

660
00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:24,370
definitely. 
Yeah definitely. 

661
00:38:24,370 --> 00:38:26,450
I mean there was there was a 
silver lining in it and you know

662
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:30,330
you just have to find it and and
I was able to do that thankfully

663
00:38:30,330 --> 00:38:33,690
and and you're right you know 
the high mileage, every athlete 

664
00:38:33,690 --> 00:38:36,850
is different and some of them 
you know that the really high 

665
00:38:36,850 --> 00:38:40,610
mileage works for them and some 
of us like myself I think that. 

666
00:38:41,540 --> 00:38:45,260
It's still a relatively high 
mileage, but not as high and and

667
00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:47,740
kind of setting the enough time 
aside to do strength training 

668
00:38:47,740 --> 00:38:50,260
and a little bit more focus on 
speed work. 

669
00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:53,660
So I think that that's going to 
be a good mixture for me moving 

670
00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:55,820
forward. 
I mean, after all, you're a fart

671
00:38:55,820 --> 00:38:56,940
like fanatic. 
You're not. 

672
00:38:57,260 --> 00:38:58,620
You're not high mile fanatic. 
So. 

673
00:38:59,020 --> 00:39:00,380
That's it. 
Yeah, you're right, you're 

674
00:39:00,380 --> 00:39:02,060
right. 
Give me a fart like any day and 

675
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:05,840
I'll enjoy it. 
So, all right. 

676
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,720
Thank you, Joe. 
And tell our listeners if they 

677
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,200
wanna follow you on Instagram 
and see all your amazing posts 

678
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,520
that you have almost daily how 
they can find you. 

679
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,880
Yes, on Instagram you can find 
me at fart like Fanatics, just 

680
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,040
straightforward spell that 
straight through and and you 

681
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,320
know I'm on there pretty much 
daily. 

682
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,600
I interact with everyone. 
So if you have questions or 

683
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,840
anything, just feel free to 
reach out and I'll definitely 

684
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,320
get back to you. 
Perfect. 

685
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,640
And we'll link your profile. 
And thank you so much for coming

686
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,140
on. 
Awesome. 

687
00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:35,820
Thank you lady. 
I always enjoyed talking to you.

688
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:42,420
All right. 
Thank you, Joe, for this recap 

689
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:44,980
and your positive attitude. 
And last but not least, we're 

690
00:39:44,980 --> 00:39:49,140
going to closeout this podcast 
with a little bit from Bottle 

691
00:39:49,140 --> 00:39:53,260
Klaus, Klaus Henning Shulke 
Elliott Kip Chogi's personal 

692
00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:56,020
water bottle carrier. 
So here we go. 

693
00:39:58,460 --> 00:40:00,660
I'm going to switch to English 
for our listeners now. 

694
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:03,100
Yes. 
How are you doing? 

695
00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:07,470
Yes, it was a very, very 
exciting weekend for me. 

696
00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:10,710
Or the last couple of weeks have
been very exciting for me 

697
00:40:11,350 --> 00:40:17,750
because this year first time we 
had a team of over 50 volunteers

698
00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:22,350
for the elite nutrition and I've
had to organize it. 

699
00:40:22,350 --> 00:40:30,870
And the the high point was Helen
Kip Choga back in town. 

700
00:40:31,390 --> 00:40:40,750
I yes, I kept him from the 
airport on Tuesday and wow and 

701
00:40:40,750 --> 00:40:47,710
we saw us after one year like 
friends meet each other and I 

702
00:40:47,710 --> 00:40:50,950
had a little gift for him. 
Yes. 

703
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:54,590
And the next time I saw him was 
on Sunday. 

704
00:40:55,590 --> 00:41:00,630
And yes, he did an excellent 
performance there. 

705
00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:03,290
So let me stick back just a 
little bit. 

706
00:41:03,290 --> 00:41:06,530
So you met him at the airport. 
First of all, what was the gift?

707
00:41:09,010 --> 00:41:14,090
02 things. 
Flowers and I did the Race 

708
00:41:14,090 --> 00:41:19,130
Across America this year. 
It's a cycle race from Annapolis

709
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:27,900
to from Oceanside to Annapolis 
and I gave him the team jersey. 

710
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:35,060
So after his career, he has to 
shift on bicycle racing with my 

711
00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:38,340
jersey hopefully. 
That'll be awesome. 

712
00:41:38,980 --> 00:41:41,300
Maybe at that point you'll be 
carrying your bottles. 

713
00:41:41,620 --> 00:41:43,540
But let me get back a little bit
more. 

714
00:41:43,540 --> 00:41:46,140
So the video of you greeting him
at the airport. 

715
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:49,100
We have that. 
It's on our Instagram and we 

716
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:52,220
tagged you in it too because it 
was such a beautiful video of 

717
00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:55,500
you to reuniting. 
And then you said you didn't see

718
00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:58,860
him till Sunday. 
And I guess at this point, your 

719
00:41:58,860 --> 00:42:01,500
position in the Berlin Marathon,
you are in charge of nutrition, 

720
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:02,660
you mentioned. 
Yes. 

721
00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:09,300
Yeah, he was locked by his 
management for four days. 

722
00:42:09,340 --> 00:42:16,240
Nobody was able to meet him 
because he just should focus on 

723
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:22,560
on his job and we have so much 
routine meanwhile that we didn't

724
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:29,120
have to practice our handover. 
So it was absolutely OK that he 

725
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,240
should focus on his job, on his 
running. 

726
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:38,250
And and 7:30 in the morning we 
met with our team and at 9:15 

727
00:42:38,250 --> 00:42:44,450
the star pistol went off. 
And yes, and the athletes did. 

728
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:48,770
They're running. 
Super naya OK Barna Klaus, you 

729
00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:51,970
are in charge of nutrition for 
50,000 people. 

730
00:42:51,970 --> 00:42:56,330
Basically tell me what goes into
that and then also maybe tell us

731
00:42:56,330 --> 00:42:59,590
why. 
Germany uses plastic cups 

732
00:42:59,590 --> 00:43:03,270
because I slipped on one two 
years ago when I ran the race 

733
00:43:03,310 --> 00:43:05,950
and apparently the plastic cups 
are still there. 

734
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:17,350
Yeah, so many questions, OK, but
the first one, Plastic cups. 

735
00:43:17,950 --> 00:43:25,060
This year they used reusable 
plastic cups, so like can be 

736
00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:31,060
washed in a water and then 
reused next year or for another 

737
00:43:31,060 --> 00:43:36,060
event. 
So if this is in the sense of 

738
00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:43,820
sustainability a much a big 
improvement in this in this 

739
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:49,490
event. 
And you may have noticed that 

740
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:57,890
the climb up protesters try to 
disturb the start, but this 

741
00:43:57,890 --> 00:44:01,290
event is one of the cleanest on 
the whole planet. 

742
00:44:01,290 --> 00:44:10,330
So I'm not, I do not understand 
this people to disturb such a 

743
00:44:10,330 --> 00:44:15,970
big event, peaceful event and 
also sustainable event. 

744
00:44:16,570 --> 00:44:25,970
Why they have to do this action 
to yes, I don't know what what 

745
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:38,660
is their intent so I'm not. 
I'm not too deep in the event 

746
00:44:38,660 --> 00:44:43,340
management, but I just have a 
focus on my elite nutrition and 

747
00:44:43,340 --> 00:44:48,180
there I can say they prepared 
about it. 

748
00:44:48,220 --> 00:44:53,940
My my my main job as an engineer
for bidding construction. 

749
00:44:53,940 --> 00:45:02,640
So I just spent about 80 hours 
to prepare my team of the 50s 

750
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,840
for the elite nutrition. 
But what I can say that they 

751
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:16,680
offer water and energy deal and 
energy drinks to comfort the 

752
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:28,180
athletes but these is focused on
the on the normal athletes but 

753
00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:37,740
the elites athletes, they have 
this special nutrition offer and

754
00:45:37,740 --> 00:45:43,580
they prepare about 600 bottles 
on the Saturday afternoon. 

755
00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:51,260
And these bottles were put into 
boxes and on each eighth station

756
00:45:51,260 --> 00:45:57,140
there is a box or eat within the
bottles for each athlete. 

757
00:45:57,140 --> 00:46:03,140
And we pick up the bottles, 
which are assigned by name and 

758
00:46:03,380 --> 00:46:10,420
the eight stations so that we 
can find the right bottle and 

759
00:46:10,420 --> 00:46:16,860
the right athletes and do this 
hand over to the right man or 

760
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:19,020
woman. 
OK. 

761
00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:22,300
So that's kind of interesting 
for us because you know, we as. 

762
00:46:22,820 --> 00:46:25,140
Regular runners, we just grab 
whatever we can. 

763
00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:29,220
But when you're at that elite 
level, do they each have their 

764
00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:31,380
own preferences of what they 
want to drink? 

765
00:46:31,660 --> 00:46:36,300
And then also, does every elite 
runner then have an assigned 

766
00:46:36,580 --> 00:46:40,780
person from your group of 50 
that make sure they hand it to 

767
00:46:40,780 --> 00:46:44,420
them or do they still have those
tables that we see in many 

768
00:46:44,420 --> 00:46:50,230
races? 
Yes, yes, that's that's the 

769
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:56,070
point in the in the morning, 
Sunday morning 7:30 before the 

770
00:46:56,070 --> 00:47:04,470
start, we do a lottery so each 
one of the volunteers can get 

771
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:10,590
one of the very, very A athletes
or the B athletes. 

772
00:47:10,590 --> 00:47:17,190
So we do not know before except 
bottle Clouds who was asked by 

773
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:23,150
the management of Elliott to do 
this job again and also Asafa 

774
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:30,590
the volunteer of 2022 was also 
volunteering her in this year. 

775
00:47:30,910 --> 00:47:38,070
But at the end we do a lottery 
and just after the lottery our 

776
00:47:38,070 --> 00:47:42,430
volunteers knows who are 
supporting which athlete. 

777
00:47:42,430 --> 00:47:46,230
And then we, because we often 
not know the face of the 

778
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:49,350
athlete, we check the Internet 
how he's looking like. 

779
00:47:49,350 --> 00:47:55,950
And so the transmission, the 
handover is running properly. 

780
00:47:55,950 --> 00:48:04,110
Hopefully we don't know, but we 
have at all about 600 handovers 

781
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:12,010
and I think this year maybe the 
20 were missed or failed, but 

782
00:48:12,010 --> 00:48:16,690
the most went proper and the 
athletes are free to take the 

783
00:48:16,690 --> 00:48:20,690
drink or not to take it. 
But we have excellent 

784
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:22,490
conditions. 
This year was dry. 

785
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:26,650
It was in the beginning, 50 
degrees in the as the end of the

786
00:48:26,650 --> 00:48:32,600
raise and 8090 degrees Celsius. 
Oh sorry I can't count it in 

787
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,240
Fahrenheit, but you have to 
check this. 

788
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:44,320
And yes, so each volunteer got 
his or her athlete and is 

789
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:50,440
volunteering him throughout the 
distance of and the last station

790
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,450
is OK kilometer 40. 
So this is where our job ends, 

791
00:48:55,930 --> 00:48:59,210
but one volunteer and one 
athletes. 

792
00:49:00,770 --> 00:49:05,290
OK, perfect. 
So then I'm picturing everyone 

793
00:49:05,610 --> 00:49:10,290
doing the same job you're doing,
but you actually have a bike and

794
00:49:10,290 --> 00:49:12,890
you take your bike and go to the
next state station. 

795
00:49:13,090 --> 00:49:16,890
So can you maybe tell us how far
those eight stations are apart, 

796
00:49:16,930 --> 00:49:19,130
what route you take? 
Obviously you're not driving on 

797
00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:21,830
the course. 
But then also, do the other 

798
00:49:22,070 --> 00:49:23,510
volunteers ride their bikes as 
well? 

799
00:49:24,990 --> 00:49:28,390
Yes, that's true. 
We have 15 volunteers and 15 

800
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:35,550
bikes, 50 bikes and we hop from 
1/8 station to the other and 

801
00:49:35,550 --> 00:49:42,550
they are a part about 5K and 
starting from 17.5? 

802
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:50,680
Elliott asked us to lower this 
distance, not 5K but 2.5 K 

803
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:56,560
because he wants to keep his 
level of energy for the 

804
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:05,720
second-half of the event. 
And we offer this special, yes, 

805
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:15,490
this special or how do we call 
it in Germany, but we offer it 

806
00:50:15,490 --> 00:50:21,690
for all the athletes. 
So they can have 13 * a bottle 

807
00:50:21,850 --> 00:50:28,050
but not all. 
Maybe 20% will still got 88 

808
00:50:28,050 --> 00:50:34,050
stations but the most take 13/8 
stations to keep their level of 

809
00:50:35,130 --> 00:50:38,210
of energy. 
And what is in the that was the 

810
00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:41,380
next question, what is in the 
bottles? 

811
00:50:41,980 --> 00:50:48,460
The most athletes prefer a mix 
of Maltodex stream and fructose,

812
00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:52,140
which a different produces 
offer. 

813
00:50:52,540 --> 00:51:01,180
And yes, it's maybe a bit 
consistence of the Geo and I 

814
00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:07,920
think we had some athletes from 
Japan and they prefer a liquid 

815
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:14,560
made of algae's which is green 
and doesn't looks interesting 

816
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,960
for me. 
But each athlete can put their 

817
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,320
own recipe the day before in 
their bottles. 

818
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,440
They are absolutely free to put 
whatever they like into the 

819
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,520
bottles. 
I can just put in water, but the

820
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,640
most take energy. 
That's so interesting. 

821
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,400
I think it's super interesting 
that they that he, Elliott 

822
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,440
Kubchogi, lowered the amount of,
I mean heightened the amount of 

823
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:45,560
stops so he could have more of 
that energy from those bottles. 

824
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,360
I know we've seen them in 
pictures, but how much do they 

825
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,440
really consume? 
Do you think they drink the 

826
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,480
whole thing or how much do they 
drink out of that? 

827
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:56,530
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 
And they are not filled up. 

828
00:51:58,050 --> 00:52:04,370
I think in his bottle has a size
maybe of 200 milliliters, but I 

829
00:52:04,370 --> 00:52:09,730
think he just drink 30 or 50 
milliliters each time. 

830
00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:17,560
I think otherwise his digestions
will be too much affected by the

831
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:22,840
drink and he should focus on 
running and not on on digesting.

832
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:29,280
So I think this is the strategy 
and maybe he knows his body very

833
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:35,200
well and he can. 
He's drinking as much as he need

834
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:42,160
in this Special Situations. 
OK, so 2.5 kilometers is the 

835
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,710
distance that goes pretty quick.
How do you manage that? 

836
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:52,670
Yes, yes. 
I prepare the whole year at 

837
00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:59,470
cycling, cycling, cycling to to 
pass all the management and the 

838
00:52:59,470 --> 00:53:08,990
time keepers and the the the 
camera cars, media cars. 

839
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:12,430
So it's really really short 
distance. 

840
00:53:12,830 --> 00:53:17,910
And at the end I it's just about
30 seconds on the next station 

841
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:23,070
to find Elliott's bottle, to be 
on the right spot on the right 

842
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:31,150
table and to to stay on the on 
the side of the track to pass 

843
00:53:31,150 --> 00:53:34,910
him the bottle. 
But you can be sure after. 

844
00:53:35,150 --> 00:53:40,210
After this race, I'm heading 
home and have a little nap 

845
00:53:40,210 --> 00:53:45,650
because I'm absolutely down. 
Oh my, oh, my energy was put 

846
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:51,010
into Elliott's support. 
So Sunday afternoon, I'm 

847
00:53:51,010 --> 00:53:56,810
absolutely down 13 times, 
sprinting to the next eight 

848
00:53:56,810 --> 00:53:59,690
stations. 
So that's an interval training 

849
00:53:59,690 --> 00:54:02,490
for me. 
For me, it's always the chase to

850
00:54:02,490 --> 00:54:04,050
get there. 
All right, time. 

851
00:54:05,170 --> 00:54:06,570
You should have picked the 
slower runner. 

852
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:12,040
Yeah, maybe with 60. 
I will do it. 

853
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,520
Right. 
And then let me just ask you one

854
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,080
more question in regards to what
happened after the race. 

855
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,520
Did you get to hang out with 
Elliot? 

856
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,600
Did he say thank you? 
How did he show his appreciation

857
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,280
for your services? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

858
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,520
Yes. 
Last year when he did the record

859
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:37,100
2/01/09 we had not the 
opportunity to see us after the 

860
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:40,620
race because he was absolutely 
knocked out and just had to 

861
00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:43,660
sleep and relaxed to recover 
again. 

862
00:54:44,140 --> 00:54:53,260
But this year accidentally we 
met in the in the in the finish 

863
00:54:53,260 --> 00:54:59,290
area but it was really 
accidentally and we looked up in

864
00:54:59,370 --> 00:55:05,330
our eyes and I give him a really
big hug and I hope he can 

865
00:55:05,330 --> 00:55:11,250
breathe again. 
But yes, I think his management 

866
00:55:11,290 --> 00:55:14,970
gave sent me some very nice pics
of this occasion. 

867
00:55:15,410 --> 00:55:19,690
So your audience may look into 
the Instagram then you can find 

868
00:55:19,690 --> 00:55:25,350
these pics. 
So he calls me his friend and 

869
00:55:25,350 --> 00:55:28,710
hero. 
So this makes me very, very 

870
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:33,150
proud. 
But he is my hero because he is 

871
00:55:33,150 --> 00:55:39,630
not one of the top athletes. 
He is also a very, very for me. 

872
00:55:41,550 --> 00:55:46,870
Yes, he is my hero because he 
has so many positive aspects. 

873
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:53,730
He is running very positive 
through this work and he is so 

874
00:55:53,970 --> 00:55:59,250
positive. 
If he says no human is limited, 

875
00:55:59,250 --> 00:56:07,090
that shows, I think that it's my
I don't know how to say this in 

876
00:56:07,090 --> 00:56:13,770
English, but it seems to me that
he's a very wise man and that's 

877
00:56:14,250 --> 00:56:19,970
why I like that's. 
Awesome. 

878
00:56:20,130 --> 00:56:21,890
Well. 
And did the team reach out to 

879
00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:22,690
you? 
Are you gonna? 

880
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:27,710
Maybe travel to some other races
with him to hand the bottle? 

881
00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:35,320
Or is that not on this people? 
Yeah, I told you my main job as 

882
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:41,400
an engineer, so I have not been 
asked yet and unfortunately in 

883
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:46,160
Paris it's not allowed to to 
work as a bottle clouds of the 

884
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,160
course. 
So I haven't been asked yet, but

885
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:55,320
my focus on the main of the most
weekends is training for myself,

886
00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:00,000
for my goals. 
And next year I will come to the

887
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,560
US again into the bike race 
called Race Across America and 

888
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:11,880
do another 5000 K or 3000 miles 
from the West Coast to the East 

889
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,560
Coast. 
So I focus also on my events. 

890
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:22,400
So maybe this is management was 
asked for help for another 

891
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:27,080
event. 
I will be glad to help him, but 

892
00:57:27,970 --> 00:57:35,170
my I'm living in Berlin and I'm 
not such a big traveler, so I 

893
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:38,250
feel very comfortable like it 
is. 

894
00:57:38,250 --> 00:57:43,170
And if you just have one 
highlight a year and which, 

895
00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:47,210
which is for me the Berlin 
Marathon, so it's OK for me. 

896
00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:49,730
All right. 
Thank you, Klaus. 

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Thank you, Klaus. 
Best regards from Berlin. 

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I think he's the epitome of what
we are looking for with the 

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marathon running podcast. 
Just someone being very positive

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and inspiring and hopefully 
that's that we can try to bring 

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to the runners. 
I agree with you and good luck 

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this year, Klaus, at your Race 
Across America with your biking.

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I hope that keeps you in shape 
for another amazing performance 

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at the Berlin Marathon, racing 
your bike around the elites. 

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And hopefully we will be 
attending the 50th anniversary 

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of the Berlin Marathon, which is
next year. 

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As Thomas mentioned, you guys 
can apply online right now on 

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the Berlin Race website until 
November 16th. 

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And try to secure your ticket 
there. 

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There's a lottery and then 
there's the qualifying times, so

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you might want to check that 
out. 

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The time qualifier for the women
has changed. 

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It used to be a lot faster, but 
now it's more inclusive. 

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I know it's still super fast, 
but you know it's it's better 

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than before. 
So if you want to go to Berlin, 

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give it a try. 
Go in with an open mind. 

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Go in for the experience. 
And just have fun with it. 

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Everyone should try to pick a 
marathon and and erase it just 

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for fun. 
Maybe listening to the podcasts 

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people can be inspired to run 
another one. 

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That's right. 
So that's it. 

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That's it for this episode. 
Good luck to Letty, who is 

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running this weekend, and to all
the other marathoners who are in

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the Chicago Marathon. 
We'll do a race recap, I'm sure,

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of Chicago when Letty gets back.
Yes, and to everyone that's 

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running. 
Reach out to me if you want to 

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00:59:31,450 --> 00:59:34,410
link up. 
I'll be attending a few shakeout

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runs, so if you need ideas for 
it, you can find me on 

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Instagram. 
We are at Running Podcast. 

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And with that? 
Have a great week of running. 

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Thanks for tuning in. 
For more information and 

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marathon running news, please 
head to 

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www.marathonrunningpodcast.com 
and we'll be back next week.