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You're listening to episode 267 
of the Marathon Running Podcast.

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In this episode, we're going to 
bring you an interview with 

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Kiara d'amato. 
This is the Marathon Running 

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Podcast with Letty and Ryan. 
Join us for weekly content on 

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all things running and let us 
take you from the starting line 

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to the finish line and beyond. 
Hey runners, and welcome to 

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episode 267. 
My name is Letty. 

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My name is Ryan. 
And we are here to bring you a 

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prerecorded interview that we 
have done in the past, yet I 

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realized we had never aired it 
on our actual podcast. 

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When was this one? 
This was recorded at the Boston 

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Marathon where we did a life 
panel AQ and a session with 

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Kiara d'amato for you Can Nice. 
So for those who don't know, who

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is she so? 
Kiara d'amato is an amazing 

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person, but also a very fast 
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She had the marathon women's 
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she rented 2/19/12, which then 
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She's also currently holding the
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run at 5123. 
And you know she runs 15 minute 

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5 case. 
That's really fast. 

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I know. 
And she was in Boston to run the

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Boston Marathon. 
And since she works with you can

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and we work with you can, we 
helped you can conduct this Q&A 

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session, which was very awesome.
That is neat. 

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What did you guys talk about? 
So we did AQ and a session. 

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From the YouTube video it looked
like she was very personable and

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funny. 
Yes, she really is. 

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She was a blast to speak with. 
And I mean, I wasn't nervous 

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when I interviewed her, but even
if I had been nervous, she made 

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that go away really quickly just
because it was just so much fun.

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Good times on the interview, 
huh? 

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Yes, absolutely. 
It's always nice to have fun 

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people to talk to. 
Keep it interesting. 

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Yes, especially the ones that 
have achieved so much but yet 

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remain really down to earth. 
Yes, I can definitely appreciate

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that. 
I think that's the best way to 

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be. 
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I mean, if I was her speed, I 
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around with bodyguards and 
wouldn't talk to anyone. 

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He'd pretend like you were 
elite. 

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I'm. 
Just kidding, I would not. 

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Anyway, Are you ready to hear a 
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Yes, absolutely. 
Without any further ado, I'm now

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going to press play on our 
conversation with Kira d'amato. 

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Welcome. 
Thank you. 

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Amazing. 
I was just telling you that you 

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look 511 in the pictures. 
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the way over here, I was telling
my agent that the number one 

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thing that people say to me when
they meet me is, oh, you look 

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taller on TV. 
You're not shorter. 

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But I think a lot of the women 
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nothing. 
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taller. 
But thank you. 

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I take that as a compliment. 
Right, right. 

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How you feel in Boston? 
You're back. 

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Some insights. 
I'm feeling really good. 

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This has been this has been a 
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I haven't been able to do it for
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been just participated in the 
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Olympic trials. 
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got me into marathon. 
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everything that tragically 
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That made me want to rise up and
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training for a marathon. 
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Mt about, I don't know, three or
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just needed to run a 335, which 
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I could probably run 325. 
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I bombed so hard, ran 349, did 
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stung. 
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marathoner. 
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marathon shoes. 
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I got the courage to go for it 
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try to be cute. 
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But I think I'm one of the only 
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that did not hit the qualifying 
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marathon. 
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that. 
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back here and to be running 
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I ran in 2018 as a part of the 
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running in the pro field, which 
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But it's fun to see the kind of 
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Amazing. 
So there's hope for all of us, 

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right? 
All right, so with that, let's 

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talk about that. 
Your story of how you got back 

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into running and then how you 
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I want to know what made that 
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Right. 
If you couldn't run a 335, how 

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did you get to a 225? 
2. 19219 I'm sorry, that was 

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bad. 
I well, I started. 

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Eventually. 
I gave my husband at the time a 

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marathon entry for Christmas as 
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like a very kind gift because 
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needed to train for a marathon. 
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was like, OK, I'll train with 
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the first time made me realize 
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train. 
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I actually built up the long run
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I practice fueling. 
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it humble me again. 
But I think coming back into it,

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I'm really proud of myself that 
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runner that I was in my 20s. 
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queer of yesterday. 
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little bit better. 
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rest day to get better. 
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goal, like to run a marathon 
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I've walked in more marathons 
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just put that out there. 
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to run a marathon without 
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Every time I hit that goal, I 
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inching forward in heat. 
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reset and then aimed for the 
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And then. 
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And then one day, my goal was to
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marathon. 
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started as just don't walk or 
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and then got there. 
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piece. 
I mean, that's amazing. 

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But let's talk about how much do
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training, right? 
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you do, I don't think I'll get 
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I definitely think I do have a 
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school, but they do the physical
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Like it was like Christmas, like
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they had stomach aches so their 
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And I was like lining up, trying
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But I think also I'm just like 
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person. 
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school, I was a state champion. 
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American. 
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but I think in my 20s, I 
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connect it with like a 
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perspective. 
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a decade and becoming a mother 
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a normal job, I think then that 
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to not be afraid to fail, to be 
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worry about the outcome. 
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patience, which, you know, I 
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have a little bit of patience, 
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than the. 
Yes, yeah. 

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Yeah, That was going to be my 
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I feel like you're an elite 
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can, you know, relate to 
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families, we all have jobs. 
You're the fastest real estate 

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agent in the East now, the 
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But, you know, going away, 
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like a lot of us may have done, 
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get back in shape. 
I think that's what you did as 

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well. 
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feel like you had nothing 
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And so that helped, you know, 
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record. 
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And it's really, it's exactly 
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nothing to lose. 
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beautiful second chance. 
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on the sidelines, I had the 
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like I would I should have done 
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I could have done this. 
What if I would have done this 

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and I was able to live it in 
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But then also, I didn't have the
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out of college and people 
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No one has ever thought I was 
capable of all this, including 

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myself. 
And so I think it's just like a 

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a pleasant surprise. 
But someone asked me today, 

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like, do you feel pressure? 
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pressure because I I feel like, 
yeah, no one expected me to make

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it this far. 
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2018 after I ran the Boston 
Marathon, if you just sat me 

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down and said, write all of 
like, your wildest dreams in the

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sport. 
Like dream as high as you can 

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dream. 
I've surpassed anything I could 

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have imagined. 
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just to, I don't know, run for 
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fun. 
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too, I realized that, you know, 
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the experiences and the 
community and everything, sure, 

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everything like that. 
So do you recommend? 

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I think I've read that you're a 
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career as a DJ and a real estate
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Yeah, I trained now with Conor 
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practice some days and I'll 
bring up a story like, well, one

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time when I was an IT developer 
and like Clayton did not around 

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all the like. 
I cannot keep up with this. 

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And I'm like, well, I'm writing 
a book so you'll get to read all

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about it pretty soon in 
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But yeah, I think just this 
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it. 
I think a person that says yes 

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to opportunity, which I kind of 
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running thing too. 
But my mom is the realtor and 

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she was like, you should come 
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And I'm like, absolutely. 
You know, my dad worked in 

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development. 
You should come do them. 

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Yeah, I'll do it. 
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say yes to things and. 
Yes. 

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And we're glad that you're here.
So let's talk about that book, 

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right? 
Can you pitch it a little bit 

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what we're going to find in 
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So the book is called Don't Call
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And to me, that's really funny 
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it a comeback. 
This was not a comeback story 

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for me. 
This was me in pursuit trying to

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find something that made me 
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But I think outside of people 
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TV, another thing is, like, what
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Like, how did you go from a 
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making it to nationals to being 
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And so this book is kind of what
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that I learned to reach these 
heights, how I gave myself grace

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and permission to go for it. 
And I think also, as you know, I

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got into the sport, like I was 
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that I didn't sign a pro 
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And that's usually huge work. 
Already retired and on to what's

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next. 
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thought. 
The book. 

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The book. 
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Oh yeah, we're all too busy and 
we have so much going on and 

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life distracts us from having 
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And so I hope my book is 
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something off the shelf or to 
figure out how to fit it in your

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life or to not feel the mom 
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whatever, to be able to pursue 
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lot to you. 
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crying and walking home in 
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totally break. 
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I made it 3 minutes. 

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journey from that first 
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way through the Olympic trials 
in 2024. 

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So yeah, the good, bad mouth is 
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And so, yeah, the DJ stories are
in a little bit of my developing

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stories. 
You see all the lives that I've 

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lived. 
Sure, sure. 

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I love it and I love that you 
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because a lot of us feel, but I 
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my family behind and I also when
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feels like when we have kids 
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all of a sudden we can handle 
anything yes, talk about that 

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maybe. 
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back into it, people would say, 
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If they do, it's really hard. 
Two kids at home and your 

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husband's away and they're 
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you're changing diapers and, you
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that kind of pain if they could.
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very guilty coming back and 
doing something that was just 

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for me and I started rebranding 
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better person, I could be a 
better mother. 

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runner too. 
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authentic to me and make me 
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myself not necessarily first all
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for myself. 
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selfish in a way that we all 
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So I talk a lot about that in 
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funny. 
I love that and at least you 

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have wind to come home with all 
of us. 

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Just go run. 
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Well, then you come home and the
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care how to do it. 
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detached the outcome for me. 
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back. 
They're like, what's for dinner?

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Kira from the runner. 
For Kira that you know, the 

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whole version of me. 
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assuming, has turned into a huge
support group, right? 

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Yeah, the kids are really 
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Yeah, really. 
Yeah, they like here. 

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I just talked to them and like 
go win on Monday. 

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Are they here? 
They're back. 

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They're on spring break right 
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my mom back in Virginia. 
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more connected now. 
But my daughter is doing Girls 

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on the Run and she really likes 
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of with her friends and she 
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she likes the games with the 
flat out running and she's like,

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we could do without that. 
No, just be like that's girls on

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them so. 
Yeah, that's very awesome. 

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Yeah, I kind of feel like at 
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should be LL Cool J Don't call 
to come back from here on until 

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September 9th, correct? 
I could. 

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Do that, yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Did you always want to write a 
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And then also my second question
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scheduled to come out. 
I would imagine you're going to 

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be on a book tour this fall. 
Marathon in sights for you as 

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well. 
Yeah, I, I told my book 

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publisher I'm not going to do 
anything a month before a 

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marathon because I want to make 
sure I'm still like, really 

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focused and really centered 
around it. 

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But yeah, I love that song, so I
I don't mind that. 

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Let's do it. 
Yeah, that would be. 

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Really, really cool. 
But yeah, I'm sure there's going

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to be a book tour. 
I don't know what that looks 

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like yet. 
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interesting to go through this 
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It, it feels very like 
everything's in there, like the 

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Good, the Bad and the Ugly of 
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help other people in their own 
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But also, it's terrifying. 
Like, today there was like, like

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an early reader, Andy Burfoot, 
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before he read it early. 
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And he's like, now I know things
about you that you probably 

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didn't want me to know. 
Like for instance, I know you 

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always forget to pack underwear 
when you try. 

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Not. 
A conversation. 

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But yeah, it's it's, it's all in
there, so sure. 

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So you packed your underwear, 
but let's talk about some other 

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rituals that you have before 
running. 

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What do you do? 
Is there anything that you do, I

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don't know, touch the wall three
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you get into an airplane? 
Like what do you do before you 

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go to a run? 
I I like being in a group of 

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rooms that does like a slow clap
for me. 

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It's funny because I used to 
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wear at before every night and 
that or before every race. 

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And it was my good luck T-shirt.
And when I was packing for the 

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Houston Marathon in 2022, I 
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it, it was ready to go in my 
suitcase. 

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And I thought, I don't need 
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I've trained so hard, I this 
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break my race. 
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pack this purposely because I 
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superstition was really freeing 

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for me to think that no, this is
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any, you know, weird 
superstition that I've put on 

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it. 
But for me, like the route, I 

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like routines with races. 
So I wake up and I have the same

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thing that I've had every other 
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I do the same warm up that I've 
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race. 
So I really try to stick with 

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things that I know no work for 
me. 

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And I practice it on, you know, 
just my long run, so my 

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workouts. 
But yeah, I don't tap the wall 

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three times. 
Maybe I should though, But I'd 

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like to know. 
You think you do that for me on 

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the start of mine too. 
I'd appreciate that. 

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So you said you have the same 
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obviously you can as your 
sponsor. 

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So maybe you can talk a little 
bit about how you incorporate 

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that into your racing. 
And then also for us that run 

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twice as long as you do, how 
will that translate into our 

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feeling? 
Yeah, so my, like my race starts

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when my alarm goes off in the 
morning and I don't think any of

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my other competitors are 
treating it the same way. 

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But for me, when I get up, I'm 
like game on. 

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How many calories and how much 
like fuel can I get in before I 

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get to the starting line? 
So no one else thinks they're 

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racing at that point. 
But I get up and I'm ready to 

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go. 
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thing. 
I start with a coffee, I start 

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with my oatmeal and I put like 
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have the you can't energy drink 
and I flip flop on flavors just 

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to, you know, keep that at least
spicy and fun because it's so 

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routine with everything else. 
And then I also take another 

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one. 
So I drink a whole one while I'm

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eating breakfast and I have 
another one that I'll carry with

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me and sip like on the bus ride 
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My drive down. 
I live in Park City now. 

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My drive down to Provo, where I 
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which is pretty similar to like 
a ride to Boston. 

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So I try to get a whole another 
one in before the race. 

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So I have a lot of like fluids, 
a lot of calories. 

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And it's really important too to
make sure that you have some 

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sort of electrolyte, whether 
it's like you can energy or even

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the hydrate, because if you're 
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actually dehydrate. 
And I learned that lesson the 

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hard way, like back before I 
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But you need to make sure that 
you're actually absorbing and 

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what's with the electrolytes 
that it helps you, your body 

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like really be able to transfer 
it. 

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And then I'll take a gel right 
before I start the energy gel. 

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And I like to put a bunch of 
different flavors like in my 

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pocket and pull one out 
randomly. 

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So it's a little. 
Surprised. 

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When you're running a marathon, 
you got to keep it fun. 

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So, so I pack a whole different,
you know, all the different 

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flavors in and then I'll have a 
gel every 10K of the race and 

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then I alternate with like the 
energy powder that has a lot of 

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electrolytes. 
So then I'll take those in 

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between. 
So and then afterwards, this is,

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I mean, you can celebrate with 
the beer and everything. 

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That's awesome. 
But within 30 minutes of any 

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workout or long run or race, I 
try to get protein in and you 

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can also has a protein powder 
that I'll take. 

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I like the vanilla one more, but
either put in a smoothie or just

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drink it with water and getting 
that in because your body's in 

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hyper recovery mode and that 
point. 

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So you really want to make sure 
that you're recovering. 

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Your body will thank you that 
night and the next morning. 

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If you're making sure that 
you're on the recovery train 

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too. 
OK, so would you say that you 

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would stick with it every 10K no
matter how fast you run or is it

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more a time based thing? 
That's a really good question. 

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Yeah, for me I think a 10K is 
just under 40 minutes. 

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So I would probably go time 
based rather than. 

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So for me that's what works for 
me mileage wise and roughly 

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there's some water stops around 
that, although you can't is OK 

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without water, the gel, but I 
yeah, I would say probably every

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35 to 40 ish minutes. 
But definitely practice that in 

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your training and see what works
for you. 

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OK. 
And the audience has been given 

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caffeinated gels as samples. 
So do you play with those two? 

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How do you use them for your 
race? 

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Yeah, So for me, I've found, and
this is very individual so but, 

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and it's I've chatted a lot with
my teammates too, but I found I 

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saved the caffeine for the later
half of the race. 

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And once I go caffeine, I stay 
caffeine because if your body 

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has that extra little jolt of 
energy, going back to non 

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caffeine isn't going to have the
same push. 

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So to me, I'll start with non 
caffeine and then I'll use that 

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as the like the spicy thing at 
the very end. 

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But give yourself time to make 
sure it can like set in and 

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everything but and it is really 
nice stimulus and you feel like 

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an extra little jolt. 
And yeah, talk with yeah, my 

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teammates too. 
And they like incorporated 

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caffeine at the end. 
It's like an extra little boost 

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some days if like I'm just going
for a regular run. 

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I actually I for runs that I 
don't even need to take a gel, 

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I'll do it to practice. 
So I've done a lot of the 

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caffeine just in a regular run 
and it is great. 

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Awesome. 
Or if you just made a little 

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pick me up before. 
But for racing, I save the 

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caffeine towards the end. 
But that's definitely something 

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you should be practicing and 
incorporating your training and 

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practice, taking the gels on 
your recovery runs on every run.

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Just your body knows what to do 
with it. 

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Or you can try them on Monday. 
Don't try anything new. 

449
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Do you feel like your needs for 
electrolytes are higher training

450
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,680
and altitude? 
Absolutely, Yeah. 

451
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,920
I find that I need a lot more 
electrolytes on a daily basis. 

452
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,640
At when I was training in 
Virginia at sea level, I felt 

453
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,440
like I didn't need as many 
electrolytes and now I need at 

454
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,320
least one packet of the hydrate 
every day. 

455
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,320
So yeah, I do a lot of 
electrolytes. 

456
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,760
And especially if it's going to 
be warm, you got to make sure 

457
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,640
that, well and actually today, 
today, tomorrow and Sunday you 

458
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,280
should be getting extra, extra, 
extra electrolytes. 

459
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,640
That's nice. 
Yes, extra. 

460
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,640
Extra light into your plant too,
to make sure you're loading in. 

461
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,480
So the more you can do that. 
Don't overload it and give 

462
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,640
yourself a headache or anything,
but you want to make sure that 

463
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,400
you're incorporating them into 
your hydration right now. 

464
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,640
Nice. 
And then for post race, I know 

465
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,080
you said you're going to do your
protein, but what are you going 

466
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,000
to do on Monday? 
How are you going to celebrate 

467
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:14,600
it? 
Oh man, what I crave after race 

468
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:19,560
is the closest food to me. 
So whatever I can do, 

469
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,880
ironically, that's exactly what 
I want. 

470
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,080
So it's really like I don't have
like I need, I don't need a 

471
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,720
burger, but the burger is the 
closest thing. 

472
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,240
But I really love root beer 
floats. 

473
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,760
That is like. 
Wow. 

474
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,800
Root beer with some. 
I like the cookie dough ice 

475
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,320
cream and root beer float, which
some may say is gross. 

476
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,160
I say it's great because the ice
cream will like kind of melt and

477
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,960
then you're left with the cookie
dough at the bottom. 

478
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,200
So it's like 3 desserts in one. 
You get the root beer, you get 

479
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,400
the ice cream and the so. 
Try it. 

480
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:48,840
Nice. 
That's fine. 

481
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,840
But yeah, let me know how you 
like it. 

482
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,880
I mean, you have all the excuses
in the world. 

483
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,440
You're going to burn a ton of 
calories on Monday, so. 

484
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,200
Is there any other pre raise 
meal that you have the night 

485
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,880
prior or in the morning? 
I was, it does a few years ago 

486
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,520
and she told me in the morning 
she ate white rice and from that

487
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,360
moment on I ate white rice 
before every race. 

488
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:17,120
Is there something kind of 
interesting that you? 

489
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,800
Yeah, it's funny because on the 
probus to the start line, there 

490
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,440
were so many people eating rice.
People bring their Tupperware 

491
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,880
with their own little utensils 
and be eating rice. 

492
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,320
So I love rice the day before. 
It's a really great carb and 

493
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,840
it's not that heavy. 
So I do a lot of rice and sweet 

494
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,200
potatoes. 
For me, I really like 

495
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,280
Mediterranean cuisine, like 
leading into a race because 

496
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,520
it's, I don't want to say bland 
because it's my favorite, but 

497
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,600
it's, it's like there's no extra
spice. 

498
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,000
It's not, you know, too much. 
And I feel with the chicken and 

499
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,560
the rice and some vegetables, it
works really well for me. 

500
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,800
So I try to get, yeah, 
Mediterranean or Greek food and 

501
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,400
do chicken, rice, sweet 
potatoes. 

502
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,920
And I try to eat as much as 
possible. 

503
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,080
And then I try to get like a 
second dinner a little later 

504
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,040
with some extra bread or 
whatever I can take in. 

505
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,040
But really, you know the two 
days before all the carbs that 

506
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,640
you can get in better. 
Yeah, there's a Trader Joe's 

507
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,200
right next door. 
Serious. 

508
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,520
You're welcome. 
I think the biggest thing is, so

509
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,480
you moved to Utah, you're 
training with a coach, Ice 

510
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,680
Stone. 
I mean, are you feeling like 

511
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,840
you're in PR shape heading into 
Monday? 

512
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,600
No, I don't think I'm in PR 
shape, but I think I'm in really

513
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,040
good shape for this course and 
so and I think it's very 

514
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,360
different. 
So going into Chicago last year,

515
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,720
that's a totally flat course and
I felt like I was in PR shape. 

516
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,240
I was training for a very flat 
course to run really fast. 

517
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,160
And this one, I feel like I'm 
really strong. 

518
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,920
I'm prepared for the hills. 
My lifting game has been insane.

519
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,280
I have lifted so much and I'm so
proud because I don't even know 

520
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,960
what it means. 
But I have Reds on when I'm 

521
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,080
lifting. 
I don't know what that. 

522
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,520
Traits but. 
I feel really powerful, but I 

523
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,160
I've become really, really 
strong. 

524
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,200
And then my long runs we've all 
done on hilly, hilly runs. 

525
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,480
So I feel like I'm prepared for 
the uphill and the downhill. 

526
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,760
So I don't know if I'm in PR 
shape right now, but I do think 

527
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,400
I'm really fit for this course. 
Yeah. 

528
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:13,960
Might be more important on 
Monday. 

529
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,320
Sure, we'll see. 
I hope so. 

530
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:19,480
Was weight training something 
that you weren't doing 

531
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,320
previously and I Stone had you 
working on that? 

532
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,720
So I was doing it, but I didn't 
have a dedicated strength coach,

533
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,800
so I wasn't pushing the limits 
with strength training in 

534
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,440
Chicago last year. 
I got injured. 

535
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,200
I broke 2 bones during the race 
and I had to drop out. 

536
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,920
I was out for about 3 months 
just cross training and that was

537
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,840
terrible. 
Don't recommend that. 

538
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,920
But it really gave me a chance 
to catch up on weight training 

539
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,440
because when you're running a 
lot of miles and then stressing 

540
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,120
your body with heavy weights, it
kind of be can be like counter 

541
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,520
active. 
But not running allowed me to 

542
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,240
really get into it and develop a
lot of strength in my quads. 

543
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,080
I think I was missing a lot of, 
yeah, glute strength and 

544
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,320
everything, and I think that 
that allowed me a really strong 

545
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,320
field going into Boston, so I'm 
hoping it was a blessing in 

546
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,480
disguise. 
But I guess we'll see you on 

547
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,880
Monday, yeah? 
So speaking about Monday, how do

548
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,440
you approach this race because 
all of us are running it. 

549
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,560
And then, you know, there's 
people be in front of us and 

550
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,880
behind us, and it really doesn't
matter who's in front of you for

551
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,280
you. 
You're an elite runner, so 

552
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,240
there's going to be people that 
are going to start with you in a

553
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,960
pack. 
How and when do you decide so 

554
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,320
you're going to go for it that 
you're going to go with someone?

555
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,120
Is there a strategy? 
Yeah. 

556
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:38,440
So for me going into this race, 
I've put kind of a governor on 

557
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,000
myself that I will run with the 
pack, the top pack unless 

558
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,720
they're going too fast because I
really don't want to blow up in 

559
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,880
this race. 
But I also, this course, I think

560
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,840
is one that you need to be a 
little conservative on. 

561
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,880
You need to be patient. 
And I was actually texting Joan 

562
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,560
Benoit Samuelson yesterday and I
was like, hey, you're the queen 

563
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,400
of marathon and any tips on this
course? 

564
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,480
And she said the the race 
doesn't start until you're about

565
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,360
2021 miles in. 
So my goal is to stay connected 

566
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,280
enough with the league pack that
I'm in the race, but hopefully 

567
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,240
try to relax, not be racing. 
You know, if people are making 

568
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,080
moves, don't go with it. 
You want to be running your pace

569
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,000
and your rhythm without putting 
in surges, especially downhill, 

570
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,960
like not to overstride. 
It's really easy on downhill to 

571
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,280
overstride and then your quads 
are going to be shot when it 

572
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,880
comes to the hills. 
So I'm going to try to be 

573
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,160
conservative, as conservative as
I can to keep myself in the 

574
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,160
race. 
And then, you know, after all 

575
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,840
the Newton Hills to really get 
down to business and then get 

576
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,320
into that like really 
aggressive. 

577
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,040
My college coach called me 
Killer Kira when I like started 

578
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,640
like going after it. 
So I'll get into like the Killer

579
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,680
Kira mode once I get past those 
sales or, you know, during so. 

580
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,480
So in order to do that, you know
that the race starts at mile 20,

581
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,720
you have to have had a lot of 
long runs. 

582
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,680
How many Sunday long runs did 
you have leading up to this and 

583
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,480
how long were they? 
Yeah, so we so for the past as 

584
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,080
long as I've done this belt, so 
since January and we've done a 

585
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,320
long run every we do them 
Saturday and then we get Sundays

586
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,880
off, which is really nice. 
I also recommend that that is 

587
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,840
really, really nice. 
So I think I've probably done 

588
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,080
like, I don't know, eight runs 
that we're maybe even 12 runs or

589
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,920
18 or over. 
And then I did a handful that 

590
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,200
were 2223. 
I think I got up to 24 this year

591
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,560
so. 
That's amazing. 

592
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,640
Yeah. 
And your weekly mileage besides 

593
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,360
that, how many miles you kept 
out it? 

594
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,440
So this build, we were a little 
more conservative than Chicago. 

595
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,840
So I think a lot of it was in 
the 80 mile to high 90s range 

596
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,960
with the day off. 
So that was on six days a week. 

597
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,560
So, yeah, so by the end I got to
the high 90s and then I was so 

598
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,000
glad to come back down to the 
taper. 

599
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,800
This is the fun part, right? 
We got 3 miles tomorrow. 

600
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:54,360
This is going to be great. 
So with that, is that double 

601
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,160
runs on days or do you just do 
it all in the morning? 

602
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,280
Yeah, I tried. 
When I got up into the 90s, I 

603
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,880
had to double up I think 3 or 4 
times. 

604
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,040
But I'll do yeah, on Tuesdays 
and Thursdays we have a workout.

605
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,720
We do one that's a little 
quicker and one that's a little 

606
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,840
bit more tempo. 
And then sometimes in those days

607
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,080
I try to add to make the hard 
days really hard. 

608
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,280
So I would do, you know, a long 
workout in the morning and then 

609
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,480
add 4 to 6 miles at at night. 
But yeah, just get it done. 

610
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,160
That's amazing. 
That's amazing. 

611
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,760
Yeah, What is it like to train 
with Connor and Clayton? 

612
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,200
It must be amazing. 
It's amazing. 

613
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,160
They are incredible people. 
Like outside of running, they're

614
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,960
just really, really incredible 
humans. 

615
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,640
They're very kind, they're very 
humble. 

616
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,600
They are, they keep their head 
down and they work really, 

617
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,720
really hard. 
So seeing them in workouts, 

618
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,960
they're really inspiring. 
Especially Connor's form, just 

619
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,400
like he looks like he's just 
shot out of a rocket. 

620
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,720
And seeing that go by you and 
workouts, like it makes me feel 

621
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,480
like I'm standing still a little
bit, but it's also inspiring. 

622
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,320
But it's really cool to learn 
from them. 

623
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,880
And they are, I feel like I've 
been, I'm way older than them 

624
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,520
and I've been around a little 
bit longer. 

625
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,800
So it's nice to see their take 
and how they structure things 

626
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,800
and how they just look at 
marathon. 

627
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,440
And I feel like I've learned a 
lot from them. 

628
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,640
And actually I went to brag 
first. 

629
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,320
So at the press conference 
today, Connor and I read a table

630
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,920
and someone was interviewing 
Connor saying, who is your 

631
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,280
favorite training partner? 
And he said. 

632
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,400
It's funny too, because they are
so nice and then you go into a 

633
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,160
race and they turn into these 
like aggressive beasts. 

634
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,960
And I say that like totally 
lovingly, but I'm always asking 

635
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,040
them like, where is the on 
switch for that? 

636
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,520
You guys are so like, you know, 
just kind and sweet people. 

637
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,240
Like where do you hide beast 
mode? 

638
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,600
When you're not using. 
It but no, it's been, it's been 

639
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,880
really great. 
Does Connor know? 

640
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,640
I mean, does Clayton know that 
Connor said that? 

641
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,080
Because. 
I know. 

642
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,040
Right, right. 
Was recorded when he said it and

643
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,160
then I was like, did I hear 
that? 

644
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,680
But we're. 
Going to start something here I.

645
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,560
Think also like I'm, I just I I 
approach things very differently

646
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,200
than I think. 
So I think I bring a unique 

647
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,800
spice to the team that like, you
know, come sharing jokes and 

648
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,520
talking about whatever. 
So I think I just, you know, 

649
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,720
have a little different than 
them, so probably catch them off

650
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,440
guard and stuff. 
That's awesome. 

651
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,680
Yes, and you're so nice. 
I mean your your aura is 

652
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,520
amazing. 
Do you have that beast smoke 

653
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,000
that just comes out when the gun
goes off? 

654
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,760
Yeah, that's, that's the killer,
Kira. 

655
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:31,520
That's the whole thing. 
Yeah. 

656
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,360
And. 
It's funny because I'll be at 

657
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,040
home and I'll see something or 
something will pop up about me 

658
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,240
and I don't, my immediate 
reaction is not to relate to 

659
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,440
that person. 
So I definitely feel like there 

660
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,760
is like a different Kira that 
shows up in races or I can see a

661
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,680
picture of me racing. 
I'm like, whoa, that's intense. 

662
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,960
Like, so it's yeah, I don't 
know. 

663
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,040
You remember how like Mario had 
Mario? 

664
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,000
Kira has like a weird or 
something. 

665
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:58,680
That is great. 
I'll. 

666
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,960
Find that like W version of 
whatever, but there's a will in 

667
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,200
here, Will and well, it doesn't 
work, but yeah. 

668
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,120
But yeah, that should be our 
goal on Monday. 

669
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,240
To everyone, find the West 
version of yourself. 

670
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,400
I think it's a great T-shirt 
there. 

671
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,320
You know, Clayton has his 
YouTube channel and it's amazing

672
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,560
and sometimes I see you in 
there. 

673
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,760
We need to work on that that 
Channel for you to show your 

674
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,000
daily. 
Yeah, you know. 

675
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:22,960
Stuff and and. 
Cameo. 

676
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,520
Do you feel like you're seeing 
fill in the results from 

677
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,480
altitude training in Utah? 
I'm sure if you do, you must be 

678
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,400
really excited to open it up a 
little bit on Monday and see 

679
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,720
what you're made of. 
Yeah, the first six months I was

680
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,840
there, I felt like I was 
fighting altitude, and altitude 

681
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,160
was winning. 
So I felt like every workout I'd

682
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,720
come back and be like, I've 
never breathed that hard from my

683
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,400
life. 
And actually when I first like 

684
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,640
flew out and joined the team the
next day, they're like, yeah, 

685
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,920
come on to practice. 
And I thought it was going to be

686
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,280
like, hey, like meet the team 
and see our routine. 

687
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,000
And they're like, OK, five mile 
tempo. 

688
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,240
And I was like, OK, I've never 
even run at altitude before. 

689
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,640
I just flew in last night and 
like every mile got 

690
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,320
progressively worse. 
And I finished being like, I 

691
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,840
swear that's not like how good I
am. 

692
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,280
Like, but but it's been really 
fun to work against different 

693
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,000
stimulus. 
And I think in running, you 

694
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,600
know, we practice in our long 
runs and our workouts. 

695
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,280
When you get to that paint cave,
what do you do and how do you 

696
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,320
work through that? 
And I think it's the practice 

697
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,800
that allows us to find how to 
work through it on race day. 

698
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,840
So I think struggling with a 
whole different thing hopefully 

699
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,400
is really going to help. 
And I also, so I feel like last 

700
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,040
year, the build, I was fighting 
against it and I feel like this 

701
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,480
time I'm working with it. 
So I finally feel like I've 

702
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,080
gotten like the altitude lungs a
little bit more. 

703
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,360
I'm feeling the benefits a 
little bit more and coming down 

704
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,120
and running like, you know, the 
Charles River today, Like, I'm 

705
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,639
like, there's so much air here, 
really. 

706
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,280
Like, yeah, we'll see you on 
Monday. 

707
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:56,520
Amazing. 
Yeah. 

708
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,520
We're all excited to follow you 
along and we're going to cheer 

709
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:00,800
for you. 
And with that, maybe we want to 

710
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,520
open it up for some audience 
questions. 

711
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,880
Who has a question for OK? 
Real specific question about 

712
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,920
your fueling race bikes, you 
ever flipped the point that was 

713
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,480
on a long hill? 
It's a lot of times there's a 

714
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,600
move being made. 
Yeah, it's funny, I've actually,

715
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,120
there's been one race that 
someone made a move on me 

716
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,480
through a water stop and I stop 
it pretty much. 

717
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,600
I don't stop, but I get water 
most every water stop because 

718
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,760
I've done all the calculations. 
I'm like, that's a lot of fluid 

719
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,520
to get in. 
So I tried to like really front 

720
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,440
load it. 
So in one race someone made a 

721
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,240
move on me through a water stop 
and then I couldn't catch back 

722
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:41,200
up. 
So now like I watch for that, 

723
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,240
but it's not exact for me and I 
feel like I left my body. 

724
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,560
So I say every 10K, but 
sometimes I'm feeling around 

725
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,760
like, you know, 5.5, I see a 
water stop coming up and I'll 

726
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,640
take it real quick. 
So then I can get some water 

727
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,360
too. 
So it's not exact, but I also, I

728
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,760
listen to my body a lot. 
And actually another really good

729
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,600
indicator when I know I need to 
fuel is when I start thinking 

730
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,040
negatively. 
So when I start, am I frustrated

731
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,760
or start feeling sorry for 
myself? 

732
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,120
Like I realize I'm hangry and I 
need to get something in. 

733
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,600
So that's a really good 
indicator too. 

734
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,640
So and getting something in can 
change your whole outlook. 

735
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,320
And all of a sudden you're like,
whoa, I can't do this. 

736
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,120
This is great. 
So, yeah, I think knowing your 

737
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,920
body and kind of knowing those 
signs, and I think that, yeah, 

738
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,920
try that if you're feeling 
hangry during the race or you 

739
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,480
start feeling sorry for 
yourself, get some fuel in and 

740
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,680
you'll find like a whole new 
energy. 

741
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,240
Like, wow, what was I even 
talking about? 

742
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:32,680
This is great. 
You know, 10K later, you need it

743
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,240
again. 
But yeah, but yeah, no problem. 

744
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,360
Any other questions? 
Yeah, for Australians on the 

745
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,240
back, we were super impressed by
your half marathon American 

746
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:45,200
record back in 2023. 
What do you like about running 

747
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,920
in Australia, specifically Gold 
Coast? 

748
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,640
Who were you training with in 
terms of Australians and are we 

749
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,120
going to see you back in Sydney?
Marathon, OK, I would love to 

750
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,200
come back. 
Yeah, I had so much fun. 

751
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,520
And I had planned that trip to 
be like almost a week, but my 

752
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,280
flight out there kept getting 
cancelled, so I didn't get in 

753
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,640
until like just over 24 hours 
before the race. 

754
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,560
So I feel like a lot of my 
sightseeing was like really cut 

755
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:08,920
short. 
So I do need to come back. 

756
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,680
I ran with Vinny St. 
Lawrence. 

757
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,080
He was my pacer for that. 
He was incredible. 

758
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,920
He was so solid and so on. 
Yeah, I definitely want to come 

759
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,000
back. 
But I did do a run through the 

760
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,240
park right there myself, a bunch
of Kangaroos and they're like in

761
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:30,400
Australia you see Kangaroos like
we would see deers or squirrels 

762
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,240
here. 
They're everywhere. 

763
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,680
They're very, very cute. 
And I, I saw like the really 

764
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,640
short ones. 
So I wasn't very scared of them.

765
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,640
But I would love to come back 
and I would love to do Sydney at

766
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,880
some point too. 
So, so you guys are in here for 

767
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,840
Boston. 
When did you fly in? 

768
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,720
She's 28 hours from my. 
OK. 

769
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,480
Still deal with the. 
Yeah, it probably feels like 

770
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:58,960
it's in the middle of the night.
Thanks for coming. 

771
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,200
Thanks for being there. 
Yeah. 

772
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:03,520
So do I still have the 
Australian all Comer record like

773
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,800
my American record has now 
gotten broken? 

774
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,480
Yeah, you said to me. 
Yeah, I. 

775
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,280
Thought no, I'll have to check 
that. 

776
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,000
But when I when I ran that in 
Australia, I set the American 

777
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,960
record or the North American 
record, but then I also set like

778
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,120
the continent record. 
And So what I want the American 

779
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,160
record to Winnie Kalani, who's 
incredible. 

780
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,480
She did create, you know, I was 
a little bummed about, but I was

781
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,840
like, well, I think I still have
the continent record. 

782
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,120
OK, thank you. 
I will definitely come back to 

783
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,240
us. 
Thank you. 

784
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,080
Anyone else? 
How did you recognize you need 

785
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,040
more electrolytes at altitude? 
Was it through sweat testing how

786
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,360
you felt? 
Performance. 

787
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,440
Yeah, it was just, it was 
everything, I think just feeling

788
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,400
dehydrated overall. 
Like your throat's dry, your 

789
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,720
skin's dry. 
Like you can just feel you're 

790
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:57,920
just thirsty. 
And when you know, when you 

791
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,400
know, everyone's heard this, 
when you're thirsty, you're 

792
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,240
already a little bit dehydrated.
So it was through that. 

793
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:06,120
But then just knowing, like if 
you just drink total water, 

794
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,880
you're just gonna just flush 
everything out and dehydrate. 

795
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,960
So I know it's like, I don't 
know, I had a race where I blew 

796
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,600
up because I just drink so much 
water. 

797
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,040
And I learned that way that I 
just, I need it. 

798
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,640
But yeah, you feel it at 
altitude. 

799
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:21,160
Also, just getting headaches for
me is a good sign that I am 

800
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,480
dehydrated. 
And when I'm, like, real busy, I

801
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,000
forget to drink water. 
So then I get a headache and I'm

802
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,800
like, well, OK, thanks, body for
reminding me that I need to 

803
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,480
catch up on that. 
But I have a question for you 

804
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,240
all real quick. 
What color is this the jacket 

805
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:37,560
for this year? 
Oh, that's really cute. 

806
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,080
OK. 
I was wondering because I like, 

807
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,960
See, I like it. 
Yeah. 

808
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,440
They gave the pros a jacket. 
No, they don't. 

809
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,520
They gave us like a tear gun, 
you know, one of those massage, 

810
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,320
which is awesome. 
And the jacket's really cool. 

811
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:04,080
I can't wear Adidas right now. 
Sorry, I interrupted. 

812
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,120
You mentioned earlier that you 
had some tips. 

813
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,160
Do you have any other things 
that you do when you get into 

814
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,960
like a struggle moment or you're
feeling a little like doubtful 

815
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,840
or? 
Yes, so for me this is evolved. 

816
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,000
So when I first started running,
it was like a like a positive 

817
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,640
quote. 
It was penis temporary price 

818
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,720
forever. 
So I repeat that to myself. 

819
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,840
And then it started translating 
to like positive self talk, like

820
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,000
you got this, Kira, like, just 
do your best. 

821
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,200
And then I realized I was giving
myself a way out with saying do 

822
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,480
your best because then I could 
like, well, my best is slowing 

823
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:46,240
down my best stuff. 
So now I use this opportunity 

824
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:48,040
and I say this is where the 
magic happens. 

825
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,440
So like how I work through this 
point in the race is going to 

826
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,720
turn a good race into a great 
race or a great race into an 

827
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:59,800
Australian record. 
So but not feeling started for 

828
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,480
yourself. 
And I think also reminding 

829
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,760
yourself that this does matter 
to you because I think it's so 

830
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,040
easy to dismiss your own goal 
when everything starts hurting. 

831
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,160
So saying like, yes, this is 
important and I'm not going to 

832
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,880
give up for myself. 
And I think maybe telling 

833
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,280
someone before the race what 
your goal is, to know that 

834
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,800
someone else knows what your 
goal is, whether you know, they 

835
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,160
don't really care, You know, 
we're the only ones that care 

836
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,000
about our goal, But how did 
someone else, it's like, well, I

837
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,760
told them that I was going to do
this. 

838
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,320
So that just, it kind of helps 
hold you accountable. 

839
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,400
But I think just going into it 
knowing like I'm going to do my 

840
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,120
best, I'm going to work through 
that point. 

841
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,240
And yes, this does matter to me 
and this goal is important to 

842
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,120
me. 
And then try not to back down 

843
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:42,000
and give up on yourself and that
goal in that moment because then

844
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,600
you finish. 
You're like, I wish maybe I 

845
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,800
could have, you know. 
So just knowing like I'm going 

846
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,680
to work through it until, you 
know. 

847
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,560
So you end up in the hypothermia
10. 

848
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:56,480
It doesn't happen to you. 
You reckon that you were really 

849
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,640
late to the game in terms of 
starting as a pro athlete. 

850
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,560
And most of us are. 
As we get older, we deal with 

851
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,120
sort of these challenges of can 
we be as great as we always were

852
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,440
or how do we get better despite 
the fact that maybe we're 

853
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,520
struggling Well, you know, 
normal aging process. 

854
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:17,960
So how do you tackle that and 
and what is your experience in 

855
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,040
the industry in general and 
being somebody who wasn't today?

856
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,800
Yeah so IA couple things. 
I firmly believe the best is yet

857
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,240
to come. 
So I think just that sense of 

858
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:31,680
optimism has really helped me 
that like I know my best is yet 

859
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,280
to come. 
So I think just that belief and 

860
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,320
maybe it's like blind optimism, 
I don't know. 

861
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,040
But then I think I also I am and
someone likes to stick to the 

862
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,080
man a little bit. 
And I feel like I've always 

863
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,480
lived that way. 
And so when I first started 

864
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,520
coming into it, and I, like so 
many people, like you would ask,

865
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,600
you know, everyone's supposed to
slow down like you're a mom, 

866
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,440
blah, blah, blah. 
And for me, it was an 

867
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,080
opportunity to prove everyone 
wrong. 

868
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,120
And I think enough people like 
me start proving everyone wrong 

869
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,680
and it's going to become more 
normal that we have, we do run 

870
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,240
competitively or, you know, for 
our best ever as we age. 

871
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,000
But I think we need to be smart 
about it, too. 

872
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,720
I need more rest days. 
I need to make sure I'm 

873
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:12,200
sleeping. 
I need to make sure I'm eating 

874
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,600
enough. 
I really need to take care of my

875
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,520
body more than I did in my 20s. 
Like, I could go out dancing all

876
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,200
night and show up for like a 
6:00 AM run and be fine. 

877
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,440
Can't do that anymore, but maybe
I should try. 

878
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,520
So I think, yeah, just. 
And I think show yourself grace,

879
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,520
too. 
But I, I think also marathoning 

880
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,240
is accumulation of a lot of 
builds. 

881
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,440
So the patients to build slowly 
and to keep, you know, after 

882
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,800
build after build and you'll 
start seeing that it's not 

883
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,560
always fun there, but you got 
this. 

884
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:42,800
What I'm trying to say is you 
got this. 

885
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,240
That's what I should say. 
You got this. 

886
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,040
Yeah. 
So I think we have time for two 

887
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,760
more questions. 
So you said it's good? 

888
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,720
To share your goals, I can ask 
for a number, but on Monday, 

889
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,080
what is this Rob? 
A headline. 

890
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,840
OK, wait, it can't be. 
Morning long run. 

891
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,760
Probably Boston will be the 
title. 

892
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,680
Yeah, on race days, I don't 
really do jokes, but if anyone 

893
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,960
this Boston joke, I I told 
really good Boston joke last 

894
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,520
week and then I kind of like, 
you know, blew it before I 

895
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,680
actually got here. 
But I I don't have a time bowl, 

896
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,640
but I really want to make sure 
that I'm competitive and I've 

897
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had like 2024 was a really rough
year for me, like personally and

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athletically. 
So I think just having a really 

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strong race, like, I mean, I'm 
going to show up to the starting

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line and don't I cry on every 
single marathon starting line. 

901
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The fact that I'm there, like 
making it through an like a 

902
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marathon build is a win within 
itself. 

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And then I think just really 
pushing hard and being really 

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competitive. 
And yeah, and I'd like to, yeah,

905
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do some damage place. 
Yeah, I love it. 

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Alright, we got one more. 
So if you're meeting with us. 

907
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Kira, I want to ask you about 
pacing because I feel like for 

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anyone who's run a verifying or 
about negative splitting the 

909
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race and it always feels a 
little elusive. 

910
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So you want to start off hard 
and maybe set the pace like 

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especially in a course like this
with the downhill in the 

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beginning of the hills at the 
end. 

913
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Is there a pacing or in general,
not necessarily in Boston. 

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Do you have a go to pacing plan?
Which kind of listen to your 

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body and adjust as you go and 
depending on. 

916
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The Yeah. 
There are plants. 

917
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That's a really good question. 
Sometimes in builds I'll narrow 

918
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it down, so if I'm going for a 
goal time, then I will try to be

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pretty, pretty set and going 
pretty even. 

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But I feel like on course, like 
Boston, you have two options. 1 

921
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be conservative and make sure 
you're going out help you try to

922
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,960
hold back a little bit like all 
the energy around all the people

923
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,760
you're running with is going to 
pull you out and starting the 

924
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,640
1st 10K downhill is going to 
pull you out. 

925
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,080
So try to be conservative, you 
know, make it through the hills 

926
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and then really work your way 
down. 

927
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,680
That would probably be a really 
fun way to run. 

928
00:45:55,120 --> 00:46:01,840
Or you just full send it man, 
you know, high 5 people and live

929
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,840
it up. 
And I don't know, I feel like it

930
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is a rite of passage, should 
just blow off and it's terrible.

931
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And yeah, one marathon I was 
like, I think I'm at like 20-3 

932
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miles already. 
And I looked down. 

933
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I was not even at 13, a really 
bad one. 

934
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But I finished fourth in 
Chicago, so that wasn't. 

935
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That bad? 
But I don't know. 

936
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So I think I'm an air on 
conservative in this Boston on 

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Monday. 
But also go, yeah, we'll send it

938
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and I'll root for you, man. 
That's awesome. 

939
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,320
We want to thank you so much for
coming and letting us ask all 

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00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:40,960
our. 
Questions. 

941
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,600
All right, so that was it. 
Wasn't that fun? 

942
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,640
You should do it again sometime.
Yes, it was a blast and like you

943
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,520
said, hopefully we'll get to do 
that again. 

944
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,120
And to all of you guys 
listening, it's 4th of July 

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00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,440
week. 
We are wishing everyone the 

946
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,920
best. 
Stay safe and if you are 

947
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,840
partaking in any five KS, let us
know and we wish you great 

948
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success with that. 
I just think of all the training

949
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you've done to run away from 
those errant fireworks and with 

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that. 
Have a great week of running. 

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