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You're listening to episode 166 
of the Marathon Running Podcast.

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In this episode, we're going to 
talk about running and weight 

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loss. 
This is the Marathon Running 

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Podcast by Letty and Ryan from 
We Got The Runs. 

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Join us in our running community
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inspirational. 

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Hey, runners, and welcome to 
episode 166. 

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My name is Letty. 
My name is Ryan. 

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And here we are on our third try
recording this podcast. 

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Welcome everybody, to our show. 
Yeah, you keep deleting from the

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beginning and I'm like, ah, we 
gotta do it again. 

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I know I keep swallowing my 
words, but here we are another 

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week. 
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And as you said the first time, 
and this time I'll say it, it's 

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a rainy thunderstorm Y afternoon
in Florida, which is pretty 

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typical for the summer this time
of year. 

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And it's kind of fun and nice to
be podcasting with rain outside 

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because they don't feel guilty 
for being outside and 

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exercising. 
You say that because you don't 

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have to edit the Thunder out. 
I do the editing. 

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So. 
It's not that loud though. 

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I think you'll be OK. 
OK. 

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I guess we'll see, right? 
So you got some exciting news 

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for everyone? 
I do. 

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After three years of waiting 
because I wasn't going to bid on

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this, I finally acquired the 
domain 

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www.marathonrunningpodcast.com, 
which was owned by someone else,

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even though they never put 
anything up. 

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And so as you know when you want
to purchase a domain, if it's 

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sold, you can bid. 
And I think it was for sale for 

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six or $12,000. 
So I just kept on watching the 

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expiration date for it and then 
when it became available I 

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finally purchased it for a 
$12.00 fee. 

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That's awesome. 
I think it's good that actually 

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matches our podcast. 
It does, and now we have to 

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rerecord our intro. 
We still have running Podcast 

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dot Us, but we probably should 
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Anyway, we've had this intro for
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Freshen things up. 
So what are we talking about 

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today? 
So today we're going to talk 

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about the topic of running and 
weight loss. 

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And before we hop into that 
little disclaimer, we're not 

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recording this podcast to tell 
everyone that they should be 

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losing weight. 
That's everybody's personal 

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choice. 
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started running because you 
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and you're interested in 
learning about this topic, 

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that's what we are here for. 
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So regardless of your motives, 
you know exercise has been shown

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with studies. 
It seems to help a lot in your 

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health, whether or not you're 
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fitness or anything else. 
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We just encourage running. 
It is, however, healthy to 

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maintain a healthy weight. 
But there, I mean, I guess there

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is, there is health benefits to 
being a healthy weight. 

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Yeah, there are reasons some 
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There are some statistics out 
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lighter, you run faster, so you 
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doesn't exist. 
Being too thin is unhealthy too,

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so you want to be careful going 
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But definitely if you weigh less
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really high speed or like really
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is quite a distance to do, the 
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move around is gonna be a little
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Yeah, so I found this calculator
on runbundle.com that I found 

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interesting because it tells 
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And I don't know how accurate 
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A full disclaimer it it makes 
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whatever you weigh yourself in 
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marathon. 
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put in your goal weight how much
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So I just randomly put in some 
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If you weigh 130 pounds and you 
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sorry, and you run a 3 1/2 hour 
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Then if you weigh 120 pounds, 
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just based on the weight loss, a
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making your time for the 
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16 minutes and 32nd marathon. 
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I wonder how accurate they're 
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they calculated that. 
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really know where those numbers 
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are some signs behind it. 
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thatyourselfitsrunbundle.com and
there is another set of impact 

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that you know is a reason for 
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Did you know that with each 
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absorbs 1 1/2 pounds of stress 
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So that jumps to nearly £4.00 
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So the impact on your knee of 
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radiologist is tremendous. 
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observations by reading lots of 
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that are in the higher end of 
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degenerative change or so in 
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factors as to why that happens, 
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true with the images that I look
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Interesting stuff. 
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figure out where they want to be
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could be their goal and wherever
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I know that when they studied 
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marathon all the way to the 
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their Bmi's, the optimal BMI or 
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encountered was right around 20.
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200 meter, then the optimum BMI 
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So depending on what you run and
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weight you want to be and how 
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life, those are some things you 
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I agree. 
I think that's good. 

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And if someone's interested in 
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hopefully we have some tips for 
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Yes, and for that we consulted 
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He is from the Netherlands, but 
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he does all sorts of coaching. 
So we're gonna, we're gonna link

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his social media in our podcast 
notes as always and then if you 

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have further questions in 
regards to that or if you would 

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like to work with him then 
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So what kind of questions do you
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So we just talked about some 
tips that he had for maintaining

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a healthy lifestyle and with 
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And tips on if you choose to use
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loss, how you can get there, all
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That sounds good. 
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We're now gonna play our 
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Divindal. 
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Tommy Dip. 
And Tommy, thank you so much for

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joining my podcast today. 
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Perfect. 
So we brought you on because we 

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have a question about running 
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But before we talk about that, 
perhaps you can tell us who you 

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are, what you do and where 
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OK, I'm well. 
Tell me, say my name already. 

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I'm original from the 
Netherlands and I did my whole 

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life sport I started as. 
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Everybody in the lens play 
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How you know in the States say 
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You do karate, pink taxi, like 
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I play water polo. 
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first. 
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one hour 22 minutes. 
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weightlifter, I don't know what 
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again. 
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as. 
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and one triad lead was in pretty
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her to tackle down 30 minutes 
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So yes I know what I talk about 
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I'm still working out five, six 
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my fat percentage on a low 
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In the past I did had a couple 
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and stuff like that. 
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coach. 
I say that I'm a certified life 

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coach. 
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trainer that I did start in the 
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bodybuilding competition years, 
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I have a lot of NGO top 
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companies and organizations 
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implement. 
Healthier lifestyle habits. 

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I'm also a metabolic health 
coach, so I think I know a few 

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things. 
How to make food serve you and 

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then with food. 
I have in 20 or 8020 principle 

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80% food should be good for your
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and 20% for the mind. 
I mean we want to have pleasure 

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in the in life too. 
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I love this 8020 rule because we
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running when it goes to our 
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runs at a you know pace level 
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20% will really go at it. 
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rules can really work well in 
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So let's hop into the weight 
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A lot of runners start running 
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losing weight before they fall 
in love in this, before they 

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fall in love with the sport and 
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running marathons and all that 
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So it sets out the running 
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I'm including myself because I 
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Then what happens is we see that
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for marathons. 
Either gain weight or the weight

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loss plateaus and then they kind
of trend to go back to gaining a

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little bit of weight back. 
Maybe you can explain that for 

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us a little bit. 
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metabolic rate and that's 
changed so your body adjusts and

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learn. 
Same as now popular artificial 

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intelligent, Artificial 
intelligent learn from what you 

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feed it. 
Your body also learn from what 

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you feed. 
So let's say you was a little 

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bit overweight and was eating 
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you want to lose this extra fat 
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like to talk about too much 
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I always like to talk about that
your fat percentage is too high.

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Consider from a health view for 
the woman that should be around 

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1820% if you are on a healthy 
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Phonetic runner then you will 
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below that. 
For a man is 15 and well if 

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you're and more than every 
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So for me it is mostly around 
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that is an nice way to keep it. 
So sometimes my clients say if I

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eat the same as you then I don't
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I will gain weight. 
Yes, if you start from. 

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Never eat like that. 
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change and start to eat the same
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Your body's not used to it and 
then it cannot handle it and it 

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will store everything that it 
cannot digest because it didn't 

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learn to digest that much food 
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Same as people say for all. 
But I eat only healthy food. 

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It doesn't matter if you eat 
more than your body need, you 

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will gain fat. 
So it is a learning process. 

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So if you. 
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You need slowly to adjust the 
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If you need to lose some. 
OK then you find out with little

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steps like 500 calorie and then 
you check it for a couple weeks 

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how your body respond to that 
500 less intake and then you see

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how your body goes and then then
you know from OK, this is my. 

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Metabolic need. 
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that I need to eat to be healthy
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a level that I feel good with 
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So mostly when marathon runners 
start to lose weight or come off

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lose too much or don't lose 
anymore that they even gain. 

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Yeah, when they get too close to
the contest, they start to have 

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longer runs and then a longer 
run in the weekend and then of 

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course you're increase the. 
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your run day that you run the 
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want to run at certain half 
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energy exposure from from your 
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that that that is or safety 
system and fat is then always I 

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say the old field from. 
From our body how we have Earl 

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in the earth that you can get 
and then make energy for your 

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cars and motorbike Fed is there 
when we have not enough food and

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then the body will consume the 
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should have that imbalance all. 
Right, so you are basically 

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saying that your body, once you 
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eating the same thing, it'll 
smarten up. 

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Yes sometimes you you can hit a 
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readjust your intake because 
you're mental is so your calorie

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needs will will change. 
So people that are let's say in 

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a normal health to healthy way 
an an average man would have 

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3000 calorie but now this person
was on a certain moment whatever

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reason. 
Overweight. 

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So his fat level was 35 or maybe
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then he go to an extreme diet. 
So instead of 3000 he go to 1200

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calories. 
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good and maybe not always 
consistent, but in a certain 

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moment the body will adjust to 
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he needs and and. 
So then it doesn't go that fast 

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anymore. 
Of course in the long term you 

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will always lose weight if 
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The thing is most people 
underestimate what they eat, the

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amount of calories. 
So mostly with my clients if 

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they are not really serious in 
doing any contestant or for for 

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an sport event, but just want to
be more healthy. 

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Well I'm not a big fan to 
constant make them a slave from 

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numbers. 
I I don't want to extend content

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on the scale and then also with 
counting your calories and stuff

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like that I have that a very 
simple method for that you can 

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use your hands and then you come
pretty much do it and then so 

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you just look to the amount what
is on your plate. 

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So I I call it built your plate 
but my fitness ball is for 

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example is a good help. 
That you can lock your food and 

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then you get actually an idea 
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Maybe not 100% right but it will
way closer than just guessing 

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from oh I had 100 gram meat on 
my plate and so Google say this 

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is the amount of calorie doesn't
work really 100% like that. 

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Another thing is from sleep. 
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or the quality of sleep on your 
digesting system. 

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So I had to in the past inclined
and did many things and 

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adjustments and he not really 
was losing the amount of weight 

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that he should with this kind of
actions. 

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Well then I would find out that 
he was in a very stressful 

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situation and was sleeping four 
to five hours per night doesn't 

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help if you want to lose weight,
so there are always more. 

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Factors More issues that play a 
role in in losing weight in a 

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healthy way. 
OK, perfect. 

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All right. 
So I guess in that case, let's 

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get started. 
Let's hear your tips for losing 

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weight when you are on a running
journey. 

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If I, if you want to lose weight
and use running something that 

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burns a lot of calories as a 
vehicle to that. 

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Well, sleep so recovering time. 
Make sure that the body 

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recovered and is not constant in
stress mode if you want to lose 

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weight, people can say whatever 
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The body needs 7 to 8 hours. 
Few exceptions, but in in 

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average a body needs 7 to 8 
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So if you're a phonetic runner, 
then for sure you need your 

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recovering time. 
If your body is recovered well, 

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it works well, so then it also 
digests your food well. 

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If you still need recovering the
body, don't digest it well and 

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then you will gain weight on the
same amount of food that you 

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normally would maintain your 
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was running a little bit more. 
So resting time is important. 

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Perfect. 
Thank you. 

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Another one is runners should 
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training workouts and if people 
say Oh no, then I get too heavy.

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Well I remember one of my 
clients, a female and pretty 

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high level amateur triad line at
lead and her partner was in the 

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high level amateur cyclist and 
when she then came back from 

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Laos back to Australia then he 
could see that she had an more 

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stronger run. 
Or when she was on the cycle on 

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the bicycle, that she had more 
control over the bicycle and the

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contest day she toppled down 30 
minutes. 

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On her personal best. 
So yeah, a little bit more 

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strength will help with your 
with your run, but a little bit 

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more density make that you even 
in resting your body need more 

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energy because when your muscles
are a little bit bigger, they 

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need more energy. 
Fat don't need energy, Fat is 

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there to deliver energy and I 
think also you're recovering 

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after the monoton. 
So then. 

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We implement 2 times of about 
two times or more of strength 

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training as we run. 
Yeah, so I give usually and well

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I would say 2 1/2 workout. 
So you have two real strength 

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training workout and then in the
weekend you can have as long as 

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you're not close to the running 
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little bit something depending 
on your energy level because you

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must. 
People must listen to the 

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language that the body speak so 
that it's the same when they 

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think that they are hungry. 
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that they were thirsty. 
And if people then say from why 

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you say like that, well go in 
the old days when we didn't 

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could go anywhere for the 
bottled water, how did we get 

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water from certain fruit and 
certain fruits? 

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Cucumber, tomato or liquid dense
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and so stuff like that. 
So but then still you eat to get

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liquid in your body. 
So that's why now these days 

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many times we eat something 
while the body actually was 

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asking to get some liquid. 
That's that's really good, 

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because a lot of the times when 
I'm running, after I'm done 

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running, I'm craving like a 
juicy mango or an orange and 

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maybe my body is just thirsty. 
Yes, from with with running or 

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when I did the spinning class I 
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So before the class I would make
force myself to drink more 

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because I know that I will lose 
more water by by sweating. 

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And then I had a big bottle 
while I was doing the the 

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spinning class. 
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here it is a little bit more 
hot. 

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So if you do a spinning class in
35 degree environment you will 

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start sweating. 
So then you must make sure that 

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you that you load it up again 
before you go sleep. 

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Another thing is people are so 
afraid to drink a glass of water

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before they go sleep because 
they say oh then I wake up to go

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to the toilet. 
That is only when you learn a 

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new habit. 
So I drink room temperature 

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water just an half hour before I
go to bed and still I I I have 

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my that I go to the toilet 
before I really step in bed and 

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in in general I don't wake up. 
If you wake up then it is most 

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likely that you have too much 
screen time just before you go 

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to bed, so your brain is still 
active. 

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And then your deep sleep and 
your REM sleep are not enough. 

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So there's not always about 
being 8 or 9 hours in bed. 

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It is about the quality of sleep
that you get when you are in 

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bed, and you can change that 
with an evening ritual when you 

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go to bed. 
So again, it is reprogramming 

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your mind with certain actions 
that you do on a daily basis and

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then the body. 
So for me I always say I had 

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some very simplistic game that I
was playing. 

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One hour before I would go to 
bed in 5 minutes I start to yawn

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because my body know when I 
start to play this game that is 

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this mark that I set myself to 
my evening ritual and go to bed 

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and same in the morning you're 
wake up and if you have certain 

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rituals then you start more 
energized and you will not be 

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tired and stuff like that. 
Of course you are tired when you

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didn't sleep enough, so OK. 
Perfect. 

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Another one is same as in 
bodybuilding. 

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Don't try to squeeze in 
everything in six hours. 

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So intimate fasting is good for 
certain moments but cycle that 

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don't live always in an intimate
fasting way if that is your 

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thing. 
Sometimes eat more or less what 

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is normal that you have three or
four meals per day. 

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Because your body can only 
digest a certain amount of food 

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per three hour cycle. 
Another one is eat more protein.

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Most people eat way too much 
carbs. 

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But protein is also a very good 
energy source. 

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Of course runners or or and and 
cyclists that go for long 

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distance, they need 
carbohydrates for the energy. 

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But. 
Don't forget your proteins. 

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So in in general of course as an
old bodybuilder when I say that 

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people should eat more protein 
and then they say from oh I 

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don't want to be big muscular, 
well protein is not for building

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muscles alone. 
Protein is your your lifeline 

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that I just see. 
Adjust your hair, well your hair

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will get more. 
More beautiful. 

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Your skin get more beautiful, 
your nails get more beautiful. 

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So you don't have to put 
artificial nails because they 

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always break and it have many 
key benefits. 

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This the building block for your
body. 

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Another thing is that when I 
train runners, I let them two to

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three times implement some 
strength training because you 

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want to get symmetry in your 
body. 

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If you only run then your legs 
are well developed. 

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But your upper body and up when 
you have a little bit more 

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muscle density than even when 
you sit. 

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Like we said now we burn more 
calories than someone that never

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do some strength training. 
It doesn't have to be in the 

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gym, it can just be body weight.
But. 

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Some strength training so that 
the muscles get a little bit 

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stronger and then you will also 
burn more calorie in resting. 

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When you're talking about 
protein, perhaps you can explain

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the types of protein and then 
also keep in mind that there is 

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a lot of us vegetarians and how 
we best could do that. 

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Well, like I said, I'm from the 
Netherlands. 

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We are the big in producing hemp
related products that they that 

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they smoke, but hemp is also a 
good source of. 

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Protein. 
It is a very complete protein. 

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So instead of pea protein, check
or you find hemp protein. 

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Then you come to a very very 
good source of plant based 

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protein. 
Yeah, no, absolutely. 

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So then for the meat eaters 
amongst the listeners, where do 

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you suggest what is the best 
source of protein? 

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I would say chicken breast or 
tuna beef can, but then make 

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sure that you have. 
And and better quality that you 

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that you know how the cows were 
roaming around and feed. 

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So some organic cows that are 
treated how you would treat your

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pet. 
Most people are not aware. 

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So if you if you look from 
certain meat is so fulfilled 

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with all kind of medication to 
get the disease out so that you.

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Don't get sick from the meat 
that you eat. 

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So that's why they, the 
vegetarians or the people that 

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are so animal active. 
They are, right. 

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But if you get a good or honest 
piece of meat, then yeah, that 

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is no problem. 
That is the best sort of 

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protein. 
But I'm personally a fan of 

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chicken breast and fish relay so
that I don't have to click all 

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the bones out of my mouth. 
I I keep it simple so that I 

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can. 
Quick eat. 

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But that and of course XX is the
most undervalued protein source.

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And if people say cholesterol, 
cholesterol. 

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No you don't get cholesterol up 
from eggs. 

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Eggs are high in cholesterol but
not the cholesterol that make it

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in the human body up. 
Actually cholesterol come from 

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too much carbohydrates so more 
than your body need. 

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OK, perfect. 
Another tip that you are giving 

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us is to know exactly how many 
calories your body needs. 

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Yeah, so make sure that you know
and from there you can adjust so

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you can find it out in in about 
two weeks. 

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Because if you know exactly that
you eat 2000 calorie and you 

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don't lose weight, then after 
two weeks you can say OK, I do 

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203 hundred calorie less and 
then you will start losing 

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weight if you are then in 
deficit. 

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No matter what you will lose 
weight. 

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I I like to approach it in a 
scientific way. 

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So then I say as a science you 
need data, right? 

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We we see it in the last three 
years that they were slapping 

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data on our ears from how all 
the bacterias and viruses are 

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developing. 
So data is always the most 

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important and the only source 
that that confirm yes or no. 

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In in the Netherlands then they 
would say order this wet finger 

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work. 
So we mean from and then you 

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hold it in the sky and then Oh 
yeah, yeah, the weather gonna be

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good. 
Well, no, the weather doesn't 

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gonna be good just because you 
put a wet finger and then you 

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feel where the wind come from. 
You need data. 

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Same with eating. 
So you need to find out what is 

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your caloric intake. 
It could be two thousand 2500, 

455
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:32,900
it can be 3000. 
For for a woman of course you 

456
00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:35,660
usually a little bit less than 
for the men and it is just 

457
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because of the total size in 
average and I mean and then 

458
00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:43,660
healthy size. 
Not an woman that have 30K 

459
00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:48,820
overweight, but if she is just 
normal, maybe within a little 

460
00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:52,940
extra love handle from a couple 
fingers, but not when it is a 

461
00:28:53,020 --> 00:28:55,700
couple hands that hanging around
the waistline that is. 

462
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,640
I don't talk about aesthetics, 
that is just unhealthy. 

463
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,520
It will give a lot of problems 
because your organs will then 

464
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,360
moving around in the stomach. 
They don't anymore on the right 

465
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,000
spot in the idol place where it 
should be. 

466
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,600
So you just need to find out. 
And I'm not a big fan to 

467
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,200
constant track your food because
it get them very problematic at 

468
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,360
the you get psychological 
problems and stuff like that, 

469
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,520
but for one or two months to 
know exactly where you are. 

470
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,920
And if you then was giving 
attention to it, then you can 

471
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,120
see how your plate look like 
when you have the right amount 

472
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,840
of food. 
That's why I called build your 

473
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,040
plate. 
And if your plate have no space 

474
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,600
between your carbohydrate source
and your vegetable source and 

475
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,200
and your protein source, then 
most likely the plate is too 

476
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,760
full, OK? 
Perfect. 

477
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,880
Yeah, the next part is a very 
simple. 

478
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,400
If you don't wanna with a scale 
and stuff like that, if you're 

479
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,040
in a restaurant or something 
like that, use your hand. 

480
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,200
So I always say your full hand 
is the amount of vegetables that

481
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,320
should be on the plate, only the
palm of your hand. 

482
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,840
So let's say half your hand, 
that is the amount of protein if

483
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,240
you are not a vegetarian. 
And then your tum is about the 

484
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:25,520
gravy, so real fat and then you 
have an and pretty. 

485
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:29,670
Simple indication how to build 
your plate OK. 

486
00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:34,310
Perfect. 
Be aware that you have an 

487
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balanced meal and stop eating 
factory produce that will also 

488
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:43,470
help you to digest your food 
better. 

489
00:30:43,710 --> 00:30:49,430
Now we have so much artificial 
products on the scales in the 

490
00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:52,580
supermarket. 
Or body don't recognize it so it

491
00:30:52,740 --> 00:30:56,380
have problem to digest it. 
So I don't say that you never 

492
00:30:56,380 --> 00:31:01,580
have something out of a pack or 
a can, but try to then have the 

493
00:31:01,580 --> 00:31:07,860
8020 rules 80% you eat what your
body needs fresh produce and 20%

494
00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:11,420
you have effectively produce. 
You have some great 

495
00:31:11,420 --> 00:31:15,460
psychological hacks that work 
also. 

496
00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:19,380
It's always about mindset and if
sometimes people say from. 

497
00:31:20,150 --> 00:31:23,110
Oh no, I cannot do that or 
there's too much work. 

498
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:26,550
And then I say it is as simple 
as brushing your teeth. 

499
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:31,430
In general people will, at least
in the morning when they wake up

500
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:34,550
and in the evening when they go 
to bed, brush the teeth no 

501
00:31:34,550 --> 00:31:36,830
matter what. 
They don't need any motivation. 

502
00:31:37,230 --> 00:31:41,590
It is just inconsistent action. 
So when you set yourself more to

503
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:44,510
consistent actions then it get 
daily habits. 

504
00:31:45,030 --> 00:31:48,190
So people that want to lose 
weight and don't feel hungry. 

505
00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:53,010
Eat from a smaller plate because
the plate look full, OK? 

506
00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:57,290
Perfect. 
Another thing to lose weight is 

507
00:31:57,850 --> 00:32:01,290
don't put the tools with food in
front of your mouth. 

508
00:32:01,370 --> 00:32:04,530
And I say tools because living 
in Asia we eat with chopstick. 

509
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:07,410
People eat by hand and by spoon 
or fork. 

510
00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:11,770
But if you you can do the test 
when you have your meal later 

511
00:32:12,170 --> 00:32:15,330
when you have your mouth full 
from the bite before and your 

512
00:32:15,330 --> 00:32:17,730
fork or spoon is again in front 
of your mouth. 

513
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:21,350
You will start swallowing it. 
You you stop chewing. 

514
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:24,510
You just want to get the food 
down because your your I see 

515
00:32:24,510 --> 00:32:26,630
already the next batch in front 
of your mouth. 

516
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:30,550
So then you swallow it more fast
than you shoot. 

517
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:34,590
Yeah, because you will get a lot
of nutrition out of it with 

518
00:32:34,590 --> 00:32:36,350
chewing. 
And I don't say you need to chew

519
00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:40,190
it 30 times or something like 
that, but you just need a normal

520
00:32:40,190 --> 00:32:43,750
time to chew your food. 
So that's why it is good if you 

521
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:46,990
have family breakfast, lunch or 
dinner, whatever it is possible.

522
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,640
And you have conversations 
because then you eat slower and 

523
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,800
why you need to eat slower or 
brain is fast but not that fast.

524
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,320
So usually with food 
competitions they are set on 10 

525
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,360
minutes right like 10 minutes as
many hot dogs or eggs or 

526
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,920
whatever they stop down because 
after that you're you cannot 

527
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,440
anymore you you will your body 
will revoked it and and so 

528
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,200
that's why I say. 
Slow down your eating time and 

529
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,520
you will see that you then also 
don't eat too much. 

530
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,680
So that help also with losing 
weight. 

531
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,720
And start with many habits. 
Don't jump in and change your 

532
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,800
life. 
So you're here today something 

533
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,040
oh tomorrow. 
Are you going to do that? 

534
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,120
No, no. 
Start little implementations and

535
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:39,520
when they are daily habits that 
are just you don't have to think

536
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,280
about it anymore than it is a 
daily habit. 

537
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,880
Then you implement something 
new. 

538
00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:46,260
And then there's no stress. 
We wanna avoid stress. 

539
00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:49,420
You wanna have more happiness. 
When you have more happiness, 

540
00:33:50,740 --> 00:33:53,420
your body will digest your food 
in a better way. 

541
00:33:53,460 --> 00:33:56,700
A stress person will not digest 
the food in a good way. 

542
00:33:57,380 --> 00:34:00,020
Perfect. 
Thank you for all of this. 

543
00:34:00,380 --> 00:34:04,060
And I want to have you tell the 
listeners how they can follow 

544
00:34:04,060 --> 00:34:06,460
you and also find you on 
Instagram just like I did. 

545
00:34:07,180 --> 00:34:10,580
Yes, Instagram and they can 
connect to me there. 

546
00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:15,060
I love to give advice. 
It is not always about sales. 

547
00:34:15,060 --> 00:34:19,580
It is about service and people 
that think I feel alike with 

548
00:34:19,580 --> 00:34:23,980
him, then they always can up on 
a call and then you find out or 

549
00:34:24,260 --> 00:34:26,820
I would be the right coach 
because I will not be the right 

550
00:34:26,820 --> 00:34:29,860
coach for everybody. 
And your handle is. 

551
00:34:30,020 --> 00:34:32,900
Tell me on the score lifestyle. 
Thank you so much. 

552
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:34,940
You're welcome. 
Have a good day. 

553
00:34:35,260 --> 00:34:41,810
Thanks you too. 
Thank you, Tommy, for coming on 

554
00:34:41,810 --> 00:34:47,530
and speaking with us and giving 
us those 9 tips on how to lose a

555
00:34:47,530 --> 00:34:50,929
little bit of weight. 
I'm going to put a lot of that 

556
00:34:50,929 --> 00:34:53,929
stuff in my show notes and that 
way you. 

557
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,880
Can be reminded of what it takes
or the tips that Tommy had if 

558
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,200
weight loss is your goal and you
wanna use running as a vehicle 

559
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,360
for that. 
And as always, we like feedback,

560
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,480
so please tell us if you like 
this, if you have found success 

561
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,080
using some of his tips, if you 
want any other topics for us to 

562
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,300
delve into or talk about. 
We'd love to hear. 

563
00:35:16,820 --> 00:35:19,180
Yes, we've recently received a 
few comments. 

564
00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:22,820
I guess our hosting platform 
from the podcast has an option 

565
00:35:22,820 --> 00:35:27,380
of commenting on our podcast 
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566
00:35:27,380 --> 00:35:31,300
appreciate those comments 
because it's good input and it 

567
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:34,580
helps us not only stay 
motivated, but also find future 

568
00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:36,860
topics when we know what our 
listeners are interested in. 

569
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:40,550
Tuning next week for another 
amazing podcast of which I have 

570
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:44,910
no idea what it is because Lenny
does a lot of the work all 

571
00:35:44,910 --> 00:35:46,750
right. 
That's it for today's guys, 

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00:35:46,750 --> 00:35:48,670
TuneIn for next week. 
And with that. 

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00:35:48,910 --> 00:35:56,750
Have a good week of running. 
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00:35:56,950 --> 00:36:02,270
For more information head to 
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00:36:02,270 --> 00:36:03,990
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