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This is the Marathon Running 
podcast and Letty Runs YouTube 

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channel with Letty and Ryan. 
And yes, we're officially now on

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Join us for weekly content on 

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all things running and let us 
take you from the starting line 

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to the finish line and beyond. 
All right, so I'm on here with 

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Coach Kristen Smith. 
Thank you, Chris for coming back

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onto my podcast. 
I am happy to be here. 

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And you're excited because you 
just briefly talked about the 

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fact that you're running Boston.
So briefly tell our listeners 

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and now also YouTube watchers 
how many times you've done 

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Boston, and then also briefly 
what your goal is for this, for 

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this time around. 
Well, six times before and this 

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time we'll be #7 and I'm just 
I'm trying to do the streak 

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until I cannot anymore 
physically or I can't qualify or

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whatever happens. 
But you know, I don't have any 

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in game insight in terms of 
plans. 

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So I'll just do it until 
whatever, you know, fate steps 

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in. 
Hopefully that doesn't happen 

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though goal wise. 
Well, I've been training for 

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this as a goal race and you 
know, training has gone well, 

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but as we all know, race day can
be whatever, so who knows what 

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that will be. 
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really well. 
I think there's APR in store 

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perhaps, but you know, you still
need things to go right on the 

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day and there's so many things I
can't control on weather 

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stocking like everybody else, 
you know, so, but hopefully, you

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know, hopefully it goes 
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perfectly according to plan, 
close enough. 

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OK. 
And we've talked and she's being

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very humble, but you're hoping 
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but what's the real time put it 
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Well, so I've already run 258 in
Boston 25827, so I would like to

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do better than that. 
I just ran Berlin. 

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I just ran A2 5926. 
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had a couple of things go wrong 
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So I, you know, it, I'm not like
this is not pie in the sky 

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dreaming, you know, but like if 
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which is one second faster, I 
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But as I said, you know, like 
you still have to have things go

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right on the day on the time. 
So, you know, we'll see. 

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Perfect. 
So with that, we're going to 

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have you as a sub three hour 
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here. 
You've done Boston, this is 

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going to be your 7th time. 
So let's hop into the course and

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talk about everything. 
Anyone that hasn't run Boston, 

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or the ones that even have run 
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well as they should have, let's 
talk about that course and see 

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how you can best navigate. 
It yes, so I'm going to open up 

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the map. 
Here we go. 

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So overall, a couple of stats. 
The race is a net downhill. 

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The net of the downhill is 460 
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There is a significant amount of
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There is 815 feet of climbing. 
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feet. 
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different definitions of 
downhill that can encompass many

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different types of courses. 
Boston is correct in that it is 

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a net downhill. 
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climbing is not easy. 
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those Newton hills, it is late 
in the race and they are stacked

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together back-to-back to 
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So that's what makes it 
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through the course. 
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in little pieces so you have an 
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brain so you can sort of chart 
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day. 
The race is a point to point 

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course. 
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you travel east towards Boston, 
which is right on the harbor, 

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Harbor as I say, on the water. 
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the course overall. 
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The first mile of the course is 
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entire day, so don't be 
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off the starting line and you 
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descent. 
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first mile and that is a -4.3% 
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course in that there is 
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course. 
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for any significant distance in 
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You are going down, you are 
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you are going up continuously 
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encapsulates the entire race 
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Really it's overall. 
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is downhill and there is, as I 
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net downhill from the next 5K. 
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It is not flat, but it is the 
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so this is really one of those 
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particularly Framingham, which 
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this is when the course begins 
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So early on the 1st 10K of the 
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You should not be surprised if 
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congested and you cannot get 
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You cannot get into your full 
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push around people. 
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anxious and waste energy trying 
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Instead, I recommend just being 
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The marathon's a long race, so 
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patient in the 1st 10K, that's 
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And then it starts to open up. 
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So again, there's no reason to 
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Just go with the flow. 
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10K, there is there is a an 
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overall drop. 
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in small pieces but also in 
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So there's a climb from 9.5 to 
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long gradual uphills. 
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This part of the course really 
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rhythm. 
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spread out a lot more as I 
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many ups and downs. 
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your own pace. 
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If you're slowing down a little 
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Some people prefer to do that 
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race should be effort based. 
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you've been training, you know 
what effort should feel like for

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marathon pace. 
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like on hilly terrain. 
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training on hilly terrain and 
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undulations, the UPS and the 
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responds to that. 
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what you are doing and how you 
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marathon pace should feel. 
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race, hopefully you have a good 
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This is a -3.4% grade. 
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Wellesley and you're heading 
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Falls. 
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Instead of breaking the course 
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second-half at 13.1, I like to 
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down into the first half which 
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second-half which is 16 miles to
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The reason being the strategy 
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two points. 
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downhill for the 1st 16 miles. 
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completely. 
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down there instead of at 13.1. 
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occurs at 13.1, no change. 
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mathematically halfway half of 
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there. 
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people actually break it, break 
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strategy or or race prep. 
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this huge downhill 125 feet into
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you begin the Newton Hills. 
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Everybody's heard of Heartbreak 
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in the line. 
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climbs. 
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are all difficult and 
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biggest and the hardest at the 
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And that is what makes this 
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So people who haven't studied 
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race can get into this train of 
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and going, well, it's a downhill
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Heartbreak Hill. 
And that in their brain is the 

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course. 
That is not the course. 

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If you think that's all it is, 
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surprises. 
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This is when you have to lock in
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yourself your your mind and your
legs to push and get get the 

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best out of it, right? 
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maintain pace on uphills. 
These uphills are significant. 

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some effort, right? 
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challenging. 
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order, 2.2 percent, 4.1 percent,
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Heartbreak Hill as I mentioned 
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95 foot climb over .45 S, just a
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You know, it's a lot of people 
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could do that in in the in a 
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So it is compounding of factors,
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Physically, your legs have been 
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get to that point. 
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Heartbreak Hill, as I mentioned,
that's right at mile 21, there's

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a long gradual downhill that 
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from mile 21 to 24, and that is 
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So hopefully if you've paced 
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point, this is when you really 
go for broke and you turn on The

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really made. 
If you're if you're going to PR 

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and have a good day, this is 
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If you have not paced well, then
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people around you completely 
falling apart, like physically 

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cramps, walking, all kinds of, 
you know, strains and, and those

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things. 
This is where you will see all 

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of that. 
Hopefully that is not you and 

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you are just sailing through, 
but this is, this is where the, 

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the body really starts to feel 
every bit of what you've put it 

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through. 
The, the race has a couple of 

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small inclines there at the end.
There's three in particular. 

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I do like to note them. 
They're not, they're not 

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challenging on their own. 
Like the, the, the biggest one 

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is 20 feet. 
So elevation wise, this is not a

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huge number, but you were doing 
these climbs in mile 25 of a 

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very physically demanding race 
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difficult. 
So the climbs are going over the

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Mass Turnpike towards the Citgo 
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Then there's a a climb that goes
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and then there's a climb that 
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And again, these are very small,
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it's just because of where they 
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Once you make that turn on from 
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have 600 meters to go until the 
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straightaway. 
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there. 
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sideline, 678 deep, the there's 
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energy. 
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moments really where I think 
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having, good, bad in the middle,
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it in and enjoy every bit of 
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And what part of really what 
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spectators. 
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them a lot earlier in the race 
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be focused on how we're feeling,
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fueling and hydrating and not 
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slow and all of these things. 
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Boylston, that is when you can 
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wow, this is incredible. 
What, what an honor to be a part

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of this, right? 
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finish lines in in the world, 
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and that's why I keep coming 
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So, But overall, you know, if 
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if you've trained in a way that 
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which as I mentioned really is 
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should find yourself in a good 
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Thank you, coach. 
Kristen, this is an amazing 

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summary of of this race. 
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that it is a congested, 
congested race that does open up

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besides that. 
So now we've covered the course.

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You've probably, as you said, 
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the weather. 
Is this going to be a good day? 

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It looks it looks good so far. 
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the temperature has been 
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I would like it to creep in the 
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still looks good. 
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is there looks to be a couple of
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side which are red flags to me 
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and higher into like the 70s. 
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when it, it was over 70 and it 
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I will, I will also add that I 
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have had a like a, a very brutal
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That's not an exaggeration, like
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It was very cold. 
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the sudden race day be be warm, 
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to my system and for most of us 
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world. 
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I'm happy the if it's in the 
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But like right now, it is, it 
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it has been creeping warmer. 
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get any more creep. 
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And I agree with you. 
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from somebody, for somebody 
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shockingly hot temperature. 
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guess you got to just shift 
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and maybe think about a backup 
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about. 
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That was, that was the, the 
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It was like, just do your best 
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You get through it, you know. 
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know, like I said, I think 
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good. 
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I'll remain hopeful until the 
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That's awesome. 
Thank you so much, Kristen. 

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And then how can people find you
if they want to get in touch 

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with you? 
Yes, so my website, I will spell

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it because it's a little more. 
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Chris, right. 
So it's Coach Chris, but Kris 

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and then rs.com, that's my 
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And yes, I hope you know, if you
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Coach wise, I go by Coach Chris 
with AK and yeah, hopefully 

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people will find me. 
I, as I mentioned, I live in New

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York City, so if you have a fall
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Marathon, that's also my jam. 
Come to me for that. 

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Yes, and we've had you on the on
the podcast for that before and 

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you've gone really into detail 
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So thank you so much. 
I'm going to link everything in 

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the descriptions below and then 
thank you to everybody and good 

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luck. 
Yes, good luck. 

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