1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,320 You're listening to episode 289 of the Marathon Running Podcast. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,120 In this episode, we're going to talk about how to navigate your 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,440 inner critic. This is the Marathon Running 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,600 Podcast with Letty and Ryan. Join us for weekly content on 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,480 all things running and let us take you from the starting line 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:28,680 to the finish line and beyond. Hey runners, and welcome to 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,120 episode 289. My name is Letty. 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,200 My name is Ryan. And we are back on with another 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,000 episode and happy 1st of December everybody. 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,560 Almost the new year. But don't forget, Ryan, 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,240 Christmas is coming in hot. It is coming in but not hot. 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,200 Maybe hotter in Florida. Yes, hotter for sure. 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,040 And I guess with that comment, you just let me know that you 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,720 haven't done any of your Christmas shopping yet. 15 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,800 No, we save it to the last minute. 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,240 You do save it to the last minute and well, I guess then 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,800 next week's episode will come in quite handy. 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,040 I am going to be traveling to the running event in Texas where 19 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,920 we'll figure out what the newest and best things are on the 20 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,360 market in the running industry. And hopefully for next week's 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,560 episode, we will have a summary of what's new and hopefully you, 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,720 Ryan, will listen to that episode and maybe create a nice 23 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,040 gift list for yours truly. Yeah, also last minute gift 24 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,120 ideas. I guess you could call it. 25 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,320 That anyway, do you have any holiday runs planned? 26 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,480 I do have nothing planned for us Ryan, but I do like to do 27 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,720 something for Christmas, right? Maybe we'll find some fun 5 game 28 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,200 where we can dress up as reindeers. 29 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,320 You can be Rudolph. And you can be the Red Nose. 30 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:35,920 I don't. Know how we pull that off? 31 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,360 Swear red. The ball, a red ball and I run 32 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:39,680 around. Be a red ball. 33 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:40,880 Exactly. My work. 34 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,240 We'll have to think about that. I know because then, as you guys 35 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,200 know, Ryan is an introvert, his inner critic, and we're coming 36 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,080 full circle here. Well, speak up loudly, right? 37 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:50,920 What? Will he say? 38 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,400 He will say. Ryan, why are you wearing this 39 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,520 outfit? And you will be like, Oh yeah, 40 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,280 you're right, inner critic. I'm not going to wear it. 41 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,440 Possibly. Yeah, so I always have louder 42 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,280 inner critics than others. Yours is loud, can you hear 43 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,880 yours over your loud voice? I can't hear my inner critics, 44 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,600 so I don't have the problem. But that's actually not the 45 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,000 inner critic we are talking about today. 46 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,480 Today we're going to talk about the inner critic that comes out 47 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,680 loudly when we are running a marathon. 48 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,440 So during the marathon we start hearing that inner critic 49 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:22,400 because we are getting fatigued. And then the brain turns on 50 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,640 loudly and speaks to us and tells us basically to quit. 51 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:28,400 And that comes out through this inner critic that we're going to 52 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,400 be talking about today. Interesting, So who'd you 53 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,920 interview? Yeah, so today I interviewed a 54 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,240 mental health advocate named Tony Rossi, who has an Instagram 55 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,360 and a TikTok following, and there's a lot of stuff to help 56 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,560 ourselves overcome that in a critic. 57 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,360 He's also a runner. So I combined the two and asked 58 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,680 him to speak to us about it because he seems to have a lot 59 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,840 to say with that. And all of it sounded always 60 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,320 really good. So that is our guest. 61 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:54,880 You want to get into it. Sure. 62 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,040 So without any further ado, we're now going to speak with 63 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,040 Tony Rossi. All right, so I'm on here with 64 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,880 Tony Rossi, a mental health advocate. 65 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,480 Tony, thank you so much for speaking with me today. 66 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:07,320 Oh. My pleasure. 67 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,320 Thanks for having me Letty. Yes, absolutely. 68 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,320 I'm very excited to hop into today's topic because my 69 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,920 listeners know that I'm absolutely always looking for 70 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,120 people that can talk a little bit about the mental health 71 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,800 aspects and how we can help ourselves be better while we're 72 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,520 running. And so today we're going to 73 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,720 tackle the topic of battling your inner critic and self doubt 74 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,080 and turning that negative self talk into to mental strength 75 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,400 when it comes to running. But before we do that with you, 76 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,360 maybe give us a little bit of a background of yours, how you got 77 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,000 into mental health. Yeah. 78 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,760 So I have an acting background. I went to theater school. 79 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,120 I grew up in the Boston area, moved out to Chicago, and then 80 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:51,040 went the stereotypical route of waiting tables while I, you 81 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,520 know, submitted to agents, was going to auditions. 82 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,880 I was trying to move forward in my acting career and about three 83 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,880 years into waiting tables. Actually wasn't even three years 84 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,840 of waiting tables. Those three years of living in 85 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,080 Chicago working all these odd jobs and now I was waiting 86 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,400 tables. I found myself at a really, 87 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,280 really toxic restaurant job and management was really verbally 88 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,440 abusive. The customers weren't great and 89 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,600 the restaurant as a whole was disorganized. 90 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,519 And I just had this one shift where I like it just broke me. 91 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,720 It was a build up to that shift and it just broke me. 92 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,400 And I just ran downstairs to the basement of the restaurant and 93 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,720 had this little closet, the stairs. 94 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,320 And I call it that. I always refer to it as the 95 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,840 Harry Potter closet because it's like a closet under the stairs. 96 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,480 And so I just like had a breakdown in this closet where 97 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,200 I'm just crying. And I'm like, okay, I'm guess 98 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,240 I'm just gonna be miserable until this magical day where I'm 99 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,360 a working actor. Now, shortly after that, I met a 100 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,560 life coach. She introduced me to the world 101 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,000 of self help and personal development. 102 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,920 And you know, all the authors that I'm sure a lot of you like, 103 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,560 maybe you and your listeners know. 104 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,040 And I found myself a lot better, even though my situation wasn't 105 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,000 better. And I'm like, OK, there's got to 106 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,000 be something to this. So I just dove deep into self 107 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,040 help books and podcasts and personal development. 108 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,280 Stopped listening to like sports radio. 109 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:18,240 And like, I mean, I still listen to like or watch sports, but 110 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,440 like sports talk shows and stopped listening to a lot of 111 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,240 stand up comedy stations and instead was just immersed myself 112 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,800 into the self help world and I was like, I feel so much better. 113 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,000 Why weren't we taught this? So Long story short, I 114 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,160 eventually like took a coaching and speaking program. 115 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,680 I started doing workshops primarily have been working with 116 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,720 actors in the mindset space and mental health. 117 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,920 And now I do a little bit of both and create a lot of content 118 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,160 around mental health because it's an area that nobody teaches 119 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,480 us. So that's kind of the roundabout 120 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,480 way of how I got into doing this. 121 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,760 I love it, I love it. And you are also in the running 122 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,480 space, which is how we met. And so then what better thing to 123 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,600 do than connect those two worlds together? 124 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,720 Because as we just talked about, you know, it's very hard to not 125 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,520 just train your body. It's always the mind too, right? 126 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,720 There's a reason why people with stronger mental health or I 127 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,160 guess stronger mindsets end up winning the races when you have 128 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,360 two bodies that are equally trained. 129 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,880 So that let's maybe identify this whole topic of your inner 130 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,720 critics because many runners say their biggest obstacle isn't 131 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,920 just a physical one, it's the mental one, including myself. 132 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,360 So why do you think that Inner Critic becomes so loud during 133 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,360 the runs or races I. Mean, I think it's the same 134 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,520 reason why our inner critic is so loud just in day-to-day life, 135 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,600 like it's one of those things we're not taught. 136 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,600 And I also think it's one of those things that we're just not 137 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,960 even aware that it's happening. Like it's just all this negative 138 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,160 chatter, negative chatter, negative chatter, and we're just 139 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,440 not taught to be self aware enough that it's even happening. 140 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,520 And so we're like, wait, why am I in such a bad mood right now? 141 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,680 Oh, because I've been telling myself like I'm garbage and that 142 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,400 I suck all day. So like, of course I'm not in a 143 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,360 good mood. And so one of the things that I 144 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,760 like to talk my clients through is this idea of what I call 145 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,600 catch the thought. This takes work. 146 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,920 But if we could just hit pause on all of the chatter going on 147 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,480 in our heads and then like catch the thought and just repeat 148 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,680 back, what is it that I'm actually saying right now? 149 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,440 And it's just literally, if we had like a remote control, if we 150 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,960 could just hit pause. And this is so much easier said 151 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,840 than done. Like we're just training 152 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,920 ourselves to become self aware of what's happening. 153 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,760 We're not trying to fix it in the moment. 154 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,880 We'll get to that, but just training ourselves to be self 155 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,960 aware that it's even happening. So I don't know if I answered 156 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,200 your question as to why it happens, but I think we just 157 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,240 don't even realize is that it is happening, you know? 158 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,560 That's super interesting. No, I like that idea. 159 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,440 I feel like the hard part about this negative talk is that, for 160 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,080 example, I'm a very logical person. 161 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,880 I feel like I'm very real with myself. 162 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,480 So I feel like when that negative talk comes in, like say 163 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,800 at mile 1415 during the marathon, it creeps in so 164 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,920 organically that it's almost to be confused with actual pain. 165 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,680 So what are your thoughts on someone knowing the difference 166 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,720 between when their body is actually saying stop versus you 167 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,840 know that that voice just getting maybe a little bit too 168 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,960 strong where it can still manage to keep in? 169 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,640 Yeah. I mean, I think it involves a 170 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,280 little bit of trial and error because me pushing myself is 171 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,240 going to look different from you pushing yourself and like all of 172 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,600 us physically are going to feel different. 173 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:40,360 But I don't know if I even told you my story of how I got into 174 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,960 running Letty, but I I got diagnosed with asthma 7 years 175 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,600 ago and I wasn't even a runner at that time. 176 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,920 So I just thought that the idea of me becoming a runner was just 177 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,360 not going to happen. And I grew up in the Boston 178 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,000 area, so I always had this idea in my head that I wanted to run 179 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,840 the Boston Marathon. Like having never run before, 180 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,920 I'm just like, oh, Boston Marathon. 181 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,120 Yeah, I can do that. Didn't know you have to like 182 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,360 qualify to get into Boston. I didn't know, but I got 183 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,640 diagnosed with asthma. I'm like, well, there goes that 184 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,280 idea. And I just never even considered 185 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,320 running. Now in 2021, so this was four 186 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,000 years ago. I was at a men's retreat and we 187 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,840 did one of those rugged maniac like 5K mud runs. 188 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,680 And I only did it because the guys at the retreat were all 189 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:30,160 doing it. And I had my inhalers with me. 190 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,160 And I was like, I don't know if I'm going to be able to do this, 191 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,120 but I'm giving myself permission to walk as much as I want. 192 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:39,360 I'm going slow. I just want to finish. 193 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,800 And it wasn't pretty, but I did it. 194 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,720 And I don't think I would have given myself permission to even 195 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,080 try because that voice in my head would say, no, you have 196 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:50,640 asthma, you can't do that. Now. 197 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:52,840 After that, it kind of opened the doors. 198 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,760 It's kind of like the Roger Bannister story. 199 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,400 It's like, oh, like, oh, well, he did the four minute mile so 200 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,160 we can do the four minute mile, you know? 201 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:03,040 And so I was like, well, what else can I do? 202 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,280 And I just signed up for a whole bunch of five KS after that, by 203 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,240 the end of the year, I signed up to do my first marathon in 204 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,720 Chicago. And like now today, I mean, 205 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,040 there's, there's a whole story of how I like took better care 206 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,920 of my health, got acupuncture, etcetera. 207 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,280 But today I'm off all of my inhalers and I've run 2 208 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,280 marathons, one of which is Boston. 209 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,600 I did, I did, I did get to run the Boston Marathon and I'm off 210 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,400 all of my inhalers. So, and by the way, I do want to 211 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,120 give a disclaimer. I'm a charity runner. 212 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,880 I did not qualify to run Boston. But how we know when we're like 213 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:39,080 pushing ourselves versus no, there's actual pain For me, I 214 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,600 had to start with just like testing the waters and see like 215 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,840 what am I actually capable of doing? 216 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,680 So I think that's where our training comes in and like 217 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:51,240 giving ourselves permission to push a little more. 218 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,720 And then like when you're training versus like you're 219 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,640 actually at the race where you're like, oh, I'm going to 220 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,120 push myself. I'm going to push myself. 221 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,960 Well, if you push yourself too hard during the race, well, I 222 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,600 mean, that could be a disaster. So I think that's where our 223 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,800 training comes in. That's where coaching could come 224 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,880 in. I didn't do any like formal like 225 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:15,040 coaching or training as or like outside help as far as my 226 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,480 training went. But for me, it was just testing 227 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:18,920 the waters and seeing what I could do. 228 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,320 That's beautiful though. I mean, that just goes to show. 229 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,000 Well, first of all, Congrats on your on your running story. 230 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,360 I love that. And I love the fact that, you 231 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,640 know, having a hurdle for you motivated you to do more. 232 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,800 That's awesome. But then also what you were 233 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,920 saying about, you know, the training coming in. 234 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,360 And I just recently read somewhere that, you know, 235 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,920 confidence doesn't come from prep talk. 236 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,600 It can also come very much from experiences and little 237 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,360 masteries. So you accomplishing something 238 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,800 smaller quote, UN quote, I'm doing air quotes here. 239 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,520 And then being able to do it and then that inspiring you and 240 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,960 giving you the confidence to do more races. 241 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,880 Totally, totally. I'll share one other story that 242 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,240 I think will help with this. I think, and I think I messaged 243 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,800 you about this. Three months prior to running 244 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,360 Chicago, I had a traumatic head injury. 245 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,080 So Long story short, I got hit with a baseball. 246 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,320 It was it was at a game, it was at a minor League Baseball Home 247 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,120 Run Derby. I let my guard down for one 248 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,800 second and I got hit with a baseball and I fractured my 249 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,320 cheekbone and the bone right below my left eye. 250 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,960 And thankfully the healing went well enough that I cancelled my 251 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,200 surgery. And most people can't tell that 252 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,720 anything ever happened at the same time. 253 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:29,960 I'm thinking like, whoa, whoa, whoa. 254 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,920 What was me Like, I really wanted to run this marathon. 255 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,640 I'm not feeling so great right now. 256 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:39,200 And I was getting my hair cut. And my stylist said, no, I think 257 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,360 you still need to do it. I'm like, what are you talking 258 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,080 about? Like, I don't know that I can. 259 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,840 He's like, I think you'd be really happy to see what you're 260 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,880 capable of. And he planted the seed in my 261 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,120 head. And I'm like, OK. 262 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,120 And the next day, there was a 5K at a baseball stadium that I had 263 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,680 done before that I wanted to do again. 264 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:56,480 And I'm like, let me sign up for this and just see. 265 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,280 And at this point, it had been a month since I had the injury and 266 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,760 I was healing well, but I was like, it's been a month. 267 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,400 I'm still healing. Let me try this 5K and just see 268 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,600 what happens. And if I'm in pain, I'll stop. 269 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:13,720 Like it's, it's a 5K, I'll stop. I did the five Ki jogged so 270 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:19,120 gingerly, like so gingerly. And I did it and I felt fine. 271 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,520 And I'm like, oh, I'm good. And I got right back to my 272 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,320 training after that. So that was like another example 273 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,520 of me testing the waters being like, OK, I do want to be 274 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:28,720 careful. And I do want to give the 275 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,800 disclaimer to everyone listening, like please check 276 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,240 with your doctors like they'll like for something like this, 277 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,960 please, like be safe. But I knew like, OK, I had 278 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,160 already been doing some like like push ups and, and body 279 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,960 weight exercises. So I'm like, let me try this. 280 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,200 And because I tried, I was, I figured out, OK, I can run right 281 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,720 now. Until that got me back to my 282 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,880 training. It like I never got up to like 283 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,440 20 miles before race day. I got up to like 14. 284 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,400 So race day itself was a let's just see what we can do to 285 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,640 complete the race. You know, like, we're going to 286 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,800 walk as much as we need type of thing. 287 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,360 But yeah, that's just another example of like testing the 288 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,120 waters and seeing what you're capable of. 289 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,160 You know, also translates into a very, very important lesson, 290 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,920 right? Because if we don't try anything 291 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,320 and have that positive attitude about just trying and see what, 292 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:17,240 you know, coming wrong. And this goes to, like, 293 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,440 anything, right? It's like even women wearing 294 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,120 sports bras in public, like, literally anything. 295 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,000 And then look how it can turn out. 296 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:24,960 Yeah. Absolutely. 297 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,320 So, OK, so back to the thoughts of having negative thoughts. 298 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,800 We were talking about how your body sometimes can know this is 299 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,120 an injury and that's obviously when you feel like, you know, 300 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,760 the the painful sharp pains versus soreness. 301 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:44,880 But then once you are aware of your own body and what is going 302 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:49,240 on, and then specifically labeling thoughts of, OK, this 303 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,800 is my inner critics speaking. What what kind of take away does 304 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,960 that give you? What kind of power can that give 305 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,160 you for the future or for the rest of the run I guess. 306 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,800 Yeah. So once we've identified the 307 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,440 thought and we've caught the the thought as we talked about 308 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,840 before, like I've caught the thought, OK, then it's like we 309 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,360 know how we're feeling. What I like to do next is set an 310 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,120 intention. So if we go back to the Harry 311 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,280 Potter example, if we had like a magic wand and we could feel any 312 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,360 way we wanted to feel, what would that be? 313 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,520 And we like, we could keep this simple. 314 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,280 Like I like to set intentions. Pick 2 to 3 words. 315 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,120 How do you actually want to feel? 316 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,040 So number one, we catch the thought and #2 we set an 317 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,680 intention. So that's giving ourselves a 318 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,760 goal for our thoughts. Now, this doesn't mean we're 319 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,680 automatically going to get it, nor does it mean we need to 320 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,640 pretend that we're feeling that way. 321 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,240 Now, depending on how you are, if you can like fake it till you 322 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,400 make it, like fantastic. For me personally, I need to 323 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,800 honor whatever is coming up because otherwise it feels fake. 324 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,160 And then I just get angry and I'm like, this isn't working. 325 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,080 But I will catch the thought. Then I'll set an intention. 326 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,880 OK, two to three words. How do I actually want to feel? 327 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,160 And then we're going to make that our North Star. 328 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,000 But finally we're going to honor what comes up in the meantime. 329 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,720 So we're going to set the intention to, OK, I'm in pain, 330 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,120 but I want to feel good and not feel good as in like, oh, my 331 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,520 knee is fine. No, I'm hurting right now, but I 332 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,600 want to feel good knowing that I'm hurting. 333 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,080 What can I do? What adjustments am I going to 334 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,320 make? Am I OK with walking right now? 335 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:23,040 Or I remember 1/2 marathon that I ran a few years ago and I, 336 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,560 gosh, I, I got into running having no idea what I was doing 337 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,000 and I was in so much, much pain. And I found that I was able to 338 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,240 push through the marathon. Now, thankfully this wasn't like 339 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,760 something that really, really hurt me in the long run, but I 340 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,440 did find that I was able to push through by saying, OK, let's 341 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,840 just, let's just keep going. I want to feel good. 342 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,800 I want to finish the race. And sometimes that meant walking 343 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,080 and other times it meant like just just jog through it for me. 344 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,240 I don't, I'm not endorsing running through pain. 345 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,880 Like when you have a big injury like I because of like please 346 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,560 take care of your body. But when you want to finish the 347 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,240 race, like setting an intention for how you want to feel. 348 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,040 And sometimes the actions that you take will differ based on 349 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,440 the intentions you said. Does that make sense? 350 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:10,760 It does, Yeah. Cool. 351 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:11,680 OK. OK. 352 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,920 So then I like that because you're giving us, like, an 353 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,119 actionable step of something to do. 354 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,319 What about for the runners that are not in physical pain but are 355 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:24,000 just, like, in pain but they know they're not going to get 356 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,599 injured? Like, what if you're in that 357 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:29,880 space where, you know, if you push through, you can run that 358 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,680 pace that is really hard for you and you're not going to get 359 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,360 injured, but your mind is trying to come up with excuses. 360 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:38,880 Walk us through how you would navigate that because I think a 361 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,800 lot of us, definitely only including myself, we tend to 362 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:45,960 ease up for no reason except for that mind's like stronger than 363 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,280 your, I mean, I guess your body because your body's trained, but 364 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,160 then obviously you're still doing something hard by wanting 365 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,400 to run a certain pace. Yeah, I'll give the caveat that 366 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,800 while I always like to push myself to finish by a certain 367 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,640 time ish, the way I got into running, I've always just been 368 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,680 so grateful that I can run. Having had asthma, I've never 369 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,560 cared about my time a whole lot. So I will give that caveat. 370 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,880 That being said, I realize I'm in the minority of most runners 371 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,600 when it comes to that. And when I go on my own runs and 372 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,400 my Strava is telling me like how much my previous mile was, I'm 373 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,720 like, oh, if it's not at my certain time, I'm like, really, 374 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,600 Tony, that's all you're getting right now. 375 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:32,400 And there are some days because I have some ongoing gut health 376 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,040 issues where I am just not able to. 377 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,960 And like I'm not, I'm not a fast runner. 378 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:43,320 I on a good day I can do a 9 1/2 minute mile on a good day most 379 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,840 of the time with my gut health issues we're talking about a 380 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,640 1011 minute mile. And a couple of weeks ago did a 381 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,480 run, was able to do like 9 1/2 minutes no problem. 382 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,440 Just yesterday 10 1/2 and I just could not get any quicker than 383 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,680 that. And on top of that I'm just not 384 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,240 feeling very good as I'm running. 385 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,960 And granted it's just my own casual run. 386 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,760 Like it's not a big deal nobody else is going to know. 387 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,360 But I know, and also I have other things I want to do today. 388 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:15,200 So I care about my time and so I care about it in that sense. 389 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,600 So when that is happening, number one, I do. 390 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,240 And this is another one of my things. 391 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,880 So we talked about how like catch the thought, set an 392 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:27,160 intention, but I also believe in don't skip the suck, which is 393 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,040 like, you feel your damn feelings. 394 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:33,200 I, I tend to work with a lot of actors and one of the things I 395 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,080 like to say is that actors are really good at what they do 396 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,000 because we have so many damn feelings. 397 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,680 But there are also our Achilles heel because our feelings can 398 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,960 get in the way of us sometimes. And when it comes to honoring 399 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:50,240 our feelings, like, I don't know any other way, like there's the 400 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,160 whole like choosing positivity thing. 401 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,840 I'm like, yeah, I'm going to set an intention to be positive, but 402 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,000 I'm not going to skip the suck. I'm going to feel my feelings. 403 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,400 So when I'm in the middle of those runs, I'm going to go back 404 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,480 to setting an intention. OK, how do I want to feel by the 405 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,880 end of this run? And sometimes those feelings 406 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,760 just aren't going to come. And if that's the case, I'm 407 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,880 going to power through, I think, for each of us. 408 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,040 If we can catch the thought, we can set an intention and then we 409 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,520 can do certain little tricks or little hacks. 410 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,080 Maybe it's because I I'm a podcast listener when I run. 411 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,000 So maybe it's really trying to take do the takeaways from the 412 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,400 podcast. Otherwise, other times I'll just 413 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,920 be like, just get through it. So it's not like a super helpful 414 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,040 feel good thing in the moment. But I guess my answer to your 415 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,400 question is sometimes it just takes dealing with the suck and 416 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,160 and knowing that it's going to end. 417 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,040 Does that make sense? It does make sense knowing that 418 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,040 it's gonna, but then what are your thoughts on tools such as 419 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:49,440 mantras and self talk to reframe further? 420 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,320 Yeah, this is going to vary person to person. 421 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,120 So for me, I just mentioned the whole choosing positivity thing. 422 00:20:56,360 --> 00:21:00,640 And look, if that works for any of you, keep doing it. 423 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,840 Whatever, whatever the self help gurus out there say, if it's 424 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,440 working for you, keep doing it. For me, I don't resonate with 425 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,880 the choosing positivity because I always like to say, if 426 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,640 positivity we're a light switch. Well, we turn the lights on 427 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,960 every time things start to suck. For me personally, it doesn't 428 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,280 work that way. So I need to feel my feelings, 429 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,840 do not skip the suck. I can try mantras, but if I'm in 430 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,520 the suck, some mantras aren't going to resonate with me. 431 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,760 So it's going to vary person to person. 432 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,680 But like, let me ask you, are you like if you're running a 433 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,200 race and you and you like are there and you're feeling the 434 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,280 suck, Are there mantras that work for you, Letty? 435 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:42,280 For me personally, not just you know, why, why I I'm talking to 436 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,200 you, but I I know that there are a lot of people who try to 437 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,360 navigate away from the negativity, which, you know, I'm 438 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:51,920 not a fake it till you make it person. 439 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,760 I'm kind of like you with the I need an experience that's 440 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,920 positive and then, you know, but but I mean, there is thought 441 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,520 shifting as to trying to think about. 442 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,320 OK, I've been here before, I've had had training runs that were 443 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,040 difficult and I've made it through that. 444 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,640 So again, it's kind of experience based when it comes 445 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,200 to to myself personally, but I still wish that. 446 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,080 I mean, obviously there's no solution, there's no 447 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,160 one-size-fits-all, but you know, I'm always looking to figure out 448 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:23,080 how we can I, I acknowledge my suck and like, yes, I suck today 449 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:27,640 and I want to mentally get away from it because I want this to 450 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,960 continue and not get worse. Like, you know, otherwise I 451 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,840 don't know how to stop that going down that rabbit hole of 452 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,120 of negativity. And then in the end, just like I 453 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,080 hate it. Yeah, yeah. 454 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,160 So you. So when the suck comes up for 455 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,560 you, you want to like, run away from it because you're worried 456 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,760 about spiraling. Yeah, I just don't want it to go 457 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,480 down any further. I wanted to to be like, OK, this 458 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,000 really sucks and it's hurting right now, but I feel like, you 459 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,880 know, there's different people doing different things. 460 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,400 Like some people when they're running, they listen to audio 461 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,840 stuff and others have to be present. 462 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,880 And, and I think one of the things that helped me a lot was 463 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,960 to just try to be in the mile and just be like, OK, I'm not 464 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,000 going to focus on how much this whole 26 miles sucked because 465 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,960 it's a long time to have a sucky time. 466 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,920 But I'm just going to try to do my best in this very mile. 467 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,160 And, and, and that works for a while. 468 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,600 You know, it's like little crutches. 469 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,880 So I'm always looking for like little things that you can 470 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:23,280 little pebbles of wisdom of what you can apply into running too. 471 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,720 Yeah. Well, I think to your .1, if 472 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,560 when we have experience of getting through the suck, then 473 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,600 we know to like our point we were talking about before, it's 474 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,280 not going to last forever. Like there's going to be an end 475 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,760 point to it. But then the other thing I think 476 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,840 helps is that when we've been through it before and we know we 477 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,640 can get through it, sometimes the suck doesn't suck as much. 478 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,280 And so I think of these little things that could get me through 479 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,920 the day. And then that's my North Star 480 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,200 that we were talking about before. 481 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,280 So that's my intention to feel better. 482 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,440 It doesn't always get to that point. 483 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,840 And so but that at least can try to stop me from spiraling. 484 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,240 But I won't lie, there are some days where I spiral. 485 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,080 So for me it's a mix. Yeah, yeah. 486 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,480 And I mean, yeah, I mean, I guess the ultimate goal is not 487 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,400 to spiral enough and to kind of just mind shift because, you 488 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,680 know, you're only going to be out there for a few hours. 489 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,400 And I mean, I'm kind of with you. 490 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:24,840 I'm AI can run fast, but I like the leisure marathons way more 491 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,160 just because you take your foot off the pedal, you're able to 492 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,560 really be grateful that you're able bodied enough to run the 493 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,600 distance and you look around and you don't miss anyone smiling. 494 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,200 Can high 5 all the kids. That's my favorite type of race. 495 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,800 But then once a year I try to really just test my fitness also 496 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,240 'cause I mean, we're all getting older, but you know, I wanted to 497 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,360 see where where I kind of come in with all that. 498 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,880 And those races are the ones I really get nervous for, even 499 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,280 though nobody really cares about my time except for myself, 500 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,560 right? So it's a, it's a difficult 501 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,600 thing to navigate. And then when you are in those 502 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,480 races, you know, that's when when you kind of feel like, OK, 503 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,160 am I still made out of the same wood that I was before? 504 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,960 Right. Well, to your point, I think 505 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,080 that we forget, like there are some people who physically 506 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,160 aren't able to run and like, how lucky are we? 507 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,720 Like I think about that all the time. 508 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,840 How lucky am I that I can run? And I know like people who will 509 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,160 never be able to do these races. Now, at the same time, don't 510 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,720 skip the suck. You're entitled to your 511 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,000 feelings. But let's also put things into 512 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,080 perspective that like there are actual life stressors we have 513 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,720 like heavy life stressors. This shouldn't be one of them. 514 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,400 Again, not saying that we can't feel our feelings, but let's put 515 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,480 those feelings into perspective in the grand scheme of our life 516 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,480 problems. So for me, that decreases the 517 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,200 intensity of the suck so that we still get to feel our feelings. 518 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,120 I'm like OK this sucks but this is also pretty damn cold that I 519 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,480 get to do this. I'm not feeling grateful right 520 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,280 now, but I can see the situation for what it is. 521 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,560 Yeah, And I think I think you answered just right now a huge 522 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,680 part of the next question I was going to talk to you about 523 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,360 about, you know, building long term resilience and confidence. 524 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:09,280 And I think a lot of that stuff comes from being grateful. 525 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,280 I know that some people intentionally practice 526 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,760 gratefulness. For me, it's kind of a thing, 527 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,840 you know, every time something quote, UN quote bad happens, 528 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,960 it's never really that bad because, you know, I have two 529 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,040 kids, I have a family and everyone is healthy. 530 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,040 So if something happens, then you really, it's really, really 531 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,360 hard to shake me because I'm very huge on the perspective of 532 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:31,440 like, is this still going to, am I still going to be thinking 533 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,240 about this next week? Is this something that's still 534 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,160 going to affect all? New set of problems a week from 535 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,800 now. Exactly if, if this is something 536 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,360 so small on the scale that it won't even be a thing next week, 537 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:44,760 why are we crying about this? And I'm hoping to. 538 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,320 I'm trying to teach my kids the same thing because, you know, 539 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,920 you know, everything is, you know, grand picture with me. 540 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,400 And so with that, I think practicing gratefulness, if you 541 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,600 are not doing it yet, that's something you should do period. 542 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,560 You know, just when you go for a run, I'm kind of like you, I 543 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,000 have a little lung defect where, you know, a lot of people my age 544 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,120 could be, you know, with an oxygen tank. 545 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,640 And so I'm very grateful that I'm not there. 546 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,160 And I feel like I'm maybe running as much as I am just 547 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,840 kind of probably like you, you know, you want to kind of tackle 548 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,320 it and, and push back at it. And it's working really great. 549 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,560 But besides the practicing gratefulness and thinking about 550 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,840 stuff big picture, what are some other tricks on how to train 551 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,760 your mind? Train your mind to become more 552 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,200 resilient or more confident? Yeah, so two things. 1 is like a 553 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,080 gratitude practice. And I literally like, I got the 554 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,720 idea from, I don't know, a book or something to write down three 555 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,400 things you're grateful for every day just to get yourself in the 556 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,520 habit. So I got really ambitious 557 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,800 because I'm an overachiever and I'm like, I'm going to write 558 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,360 down 5, 5 and I'm going to do morning and I'm going to do 559 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,720 night. And on my Instagram stories, the 560 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,760 five gratitudes that I write down, like those are my 5 561 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,640 gratitudes for the morning and then I write down. 562 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,440 Do that every day. Every day. 563 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I put I, I, I and I 564 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,680 share them to my stories every day too. 565 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,120 And I gotta make sure that you pop in my algorithm. 566 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:08,920 That's awesome. And, and they're also, they're 567 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,680 so simple most of the time and, and they're like often the same 568 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,280 things. Like I'm grateful that I'm 569 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,320 healthy because I also had a period like 5 or 6 years ago 570 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,680 where I was getting like catching colds all the time. 571 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,960 And like I would catch colds like twice a month. 572 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,680 I found out later it was mold exposure, but like I was 573 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,000 catching colds all the time. And so, so by the way, that was 574 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,200 part of my why how I got asthma too. 575 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,160 And I had no idea. That's a whole nother story. 576 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,840 But I'm grateful I'm healthy. Like I'm grateful I can run. 577 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,960 I'm grateful that it's not 20° in Chicago today. 578 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,640 Like it's all the little thing. I'm grateful I don't have to go 579 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,200 to one of my day job gigs. When I go to day job gigs and 580 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,040 there's free food for the week, Oh my God, I am so grateful for 581 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,960 free food. I love free food. 582 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,640 I'm a sucker for a free hot meal. 583 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,920 I'm a very healthy person, but those choices might not be as 584 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,440 healthy if I'm getting the free meal. 585 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,320 I get very, very grateful for that and I, I will write down 586 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,440 the same like 3 or to five things every day. 587 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,560 So one of them is a gratitude practice. 588 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,120 The next thing is, and this is another one of my phrases, 589 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,120 content is key. And if people are listening to 590 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,560 your podcast on a regular basis, letty they, they don't need to 591 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,320 be told this. The content we consume dictates 592 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,760 how we think and if we can get intentional enough. 593 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,760 I told my story of how I stopped listening to like gossip, like 594 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,840 sports radio. And by the way, there's a time 595 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,840 and a place for our, what I call our our shits and giggles 596 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,560 content. So like there's a time and a 597 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,240 place for that too. I can talk about that. 598 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,840 But if we can be intentional with the content we consume and 599 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,640 how we want it to better ourselves, whether we want to 600 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,720 have better mental health, more gratitude, or we want to become 601 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,200 better runners, I'm guessing that's one of the reasons why 602 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,120 they listen to this podcast. If we can get really intentional 603 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,160 with that, it literally is like vitamins for our brain. 604 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,400 And when I was going through my freak injury, I was bingeing. 605 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,240 Do you do you know? No. 606 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,960 Ally Feller and the Ally on the Run podcast. 607 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,200 Yeah, yeah, me too. I binged her podcast when I was 608 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,120 marathon training, and I specifically started with all of 609 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,320 the Adrienne Hazlett episodes because talk about somebody 610 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,720 who's been through resilience, being a survivor from the Boston 611 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,880 Marathon bombings and now. And she was never a runner. 612 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,840 And now she's completed several Boston Marathons. 613 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,480 Like, I mean, talk about resilience. 614 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,400 And so I had that playing in my head. 615 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,200 And so if we want to be more grateful, let's listen to more 616 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,600 stories of resiliency or let's listen to more stories of 617 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,320 runners, or let's just listen to more feel good podcasts. 618 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,160 And by the way, podcasts are my thing. 619 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,480 This can be written content, these can be books, these can be 620 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,920 YouTube videos. It's whatever format works for 621 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,880 you. I find those 3 formats to be the 622 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,680 different areas each of us gravitate towards more. 623 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,600 But for me, for me personally, I'm an audio person and I binge 624 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,000 like audio content and then at the end of the day is my shits 625 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,800 and giggles where I'll listen to, I'll listen to some sports 626 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,520 stuff. I love it, although at the same 627 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,880 time now I'm questioning my own choices because besides running 628 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,720 content, I listen to true crime a lot and it's probably not. 629 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,160 Right, but that's your shits and giggles. 630 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,880 And here's the thing we need, we need the fun. 631 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,600 So I also, and anybody's welcome to join. 632 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,760 It's a it's a free mental health for creatives Facebook group. 633 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,920 And every once every Tuesday I post here's your feel good 634 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,520 content of the week. So that's like a video that's 635 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,840 like just to train our brains to be more cognizant of the content 636 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,320 we consume. But I think we need feel good 637 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,160 content. Now, some might argue that, 638 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,920 like, true crime is not feel good. 639 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,800 But if you enjoy it and it's working for you and it's not 640 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,080 making you like lose sleep at night because you're freaking 641 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,200 out over like who's going to come into the bedroom at like 642 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,200 2:00 in the morning? If it's working for you, like 643 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,920 keep doing it. I love sports, so like that's my 644 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,360 feel good stuff. But I mean, each of us, that's 645 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,400 going to be different. Yeah, and you know, I justified 646 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,080 mine by saying I don't have much drama in my life. 647 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,680 I have a very calm, great life. And so that's my drama. 648 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,360 So I get my drama in without having to create my own drama at 649 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,160 home. So yeah, I think that's why it 650 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,040 works for me. But yeah, I mean, that's it's so 651 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,360 true though. If I'm really into something 652 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,400 that has to do with work or whatever, then I'm like you, I 653 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,800 binge it. I analyze it, I create 654 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,080 spreadsheets, all that stuff and that really helps you do things 655 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,080 better. So I guess you know, with with 656 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,080 that for for mind podcasts, I'm sure we have some listeners 657 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,040 right now that are clicking on this just because they want to 658 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,120 know how to mentally deal with that inner critic. 659 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,640 So I want to talk about that just a tiny bit more. 660 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,720 Let's talk about how when you have self doubt, what is there 661 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,560 that you can do daily to help you strengthen that self belief? 662 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,520 Again, going back to the conference, confidence, because 663 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,640 I think you and I can both agree that confidence is something 664 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,240 that can carry you through a marathon. 665 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,760 Totally, Yeah, I mean it. First off, to go back to what we 666 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,440 said to like have more confidence. 667 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,680 I think it also starts with the content we consume. 668 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,920 And I, I, I remember I, I was on a call with a younger actor a 669 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,680 couple years ago and he was pointing out my confidence. 670 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,960 And he was like, how do I get that? 671 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,880 And to me, like I had totally forgot because I had been 672 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,080 coaching for a few years at that point and it just felt more sure 673 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,640 of myself. I totally forgot what an 674 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,600 unconfident person I was just growing up. 675 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,640 And then one of the things that now has led me to be able to go 676 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,120 to events by myself. And I'm an extrovert so this 677 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,360 helps. I'm not saying this will work 678 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,160 for everyone. I can go to events by myself and 679 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,360 feel totally fine because I've just worked enough on myself 680 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,120 plus put myself in that environment, plus studied this 681 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,120 stuff so much to know nobody is judging you. 682 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,520 The people who are judging you are just worried about 683 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,120 themselves. And we are so worried about what 684 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,960 other people are thinking of us when half the time you start a 685 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,320 conversation with somebody, they're just grateful that 686 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,280 somebody broke the ice because like they they're worried about 687 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,640 what people think of them. And I've been in that 688 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,199 environment enough times, plus have studied this stuff to learn 689 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:13,920 that that's that's usually the case. 690 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,080 So to me, it's repeatedly putting like #1 the content we 691 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,400 consume, but #2 putting ourselves in those environments 692 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,199 that can help us get more confident. 693 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,560 And I think that goes back to the conversation we were having 694 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,239 before where it's testing the waters, where it's going through 695 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,840 our training. Or it's like, OK, I don't know 696 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,080 how long going to feel during this. 697 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,360 OK, well, let's try during our training and see. 698 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,920 And then maybe that run doesn't go so well, but that gives us 699 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,840 information for how we want to just differently for the next 700 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,320 run. So something that a coach once 701 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,639 taught me is lessons and adjustments, which is after you 702 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,840 go through a go through, I'll tie in my own twist here, catch 703 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,679 the thought, acknowledge what happened, and then ask yourself, 704 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,200 and this is what he says, what is the lesson that I learned? 705 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,080 What adjustment will I make for next time? 706 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,080 So it sucks in the moment because you just finished that 707 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,240 race and you didn't feel good. OK, what is the lesson that I 708 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:09,280 learned? What adjustments can I make? 709 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,080 And sometimes it might just be a freak thing. 710 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,200 And in that case, okay, well, it's a freak thing, but are 711 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,480 there things you could have done differently leading up to the 712 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,600 race or during the race? And if you can, then you can 713 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,720 make an adjustment. And then that pain that you went 714 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:26,040 through, or even if it's a mental pain now that's setting 715 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,040 you up for success for your next several races. 716 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,640 And then that gives you value to that painful experience and 717 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,040 doesn't mean you need to like it. 718 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,360 But I mean, maybe another silly example is how many of us have 719 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,000 gone through a really like bad breakup or a bad relationship, 720 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,720 but we learned so many things from that relationship and that 721 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:47,360 set us up to have a better relationship in the future. 722 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,560 That is so on point. And then, you know, it just kind 723 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,640 of goes back to what you were saying all along in the 724 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,280 beginning about testing the water. 725 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,600 So I think I think that is probably key for more people 726 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,880 than they want to admit, right, Because the whole fake it until 727 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,880 you make it. It works if you have a mind, I 728 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,280 don't know, not strong, but sharp enough maybe to trick 729 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,920 itself. I mean, that's that's kind of a 730 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,080 hard part, but. Anyway, let me let. 731 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,520 Me get back on track sorry. All right, so with all that 732 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,960 said, what is your, and this is gonna be your last question for 733 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,960 you. What is your #1 tip that you 734 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,280 would like the runners out there to know about how to battle 735 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,440 their inner self, critic their self doubt, and how to turn that 736 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,080 negative self talk into something that can actually make 737 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,520 them stronger? Yeah, I'd say first of all, 738 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,600 except that it's normal. I've recently read the book and 739 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,640 this is where it goes back to content is key. 740 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,400 I always have like a book I'm reading. 741 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,760 And by the way, if anybody wants a list, if they're like Oh my 742 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,000 God, I don't know where to start. 743 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,680 All I listen to are running podcasts on my website at 744 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,960 tonyrossicoaching.com/content. I have a free content guide with 745 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,840 clickable URL's for books, podcasts, and YouTube videos to 746 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,440 check out. I need to add this one because I 747 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,360 haven't added this one yet, but under Mindset Books, one of the 748 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,160 most recent ones I read was Help in a Hurry by Doctor Caroline 749 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,320 Leaf and she talks about how it's normal, like we hear the 750 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,520 phrase it's OK not to feel OK. And that's being said more and 751 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,200 more, and I'm really glad that it is, but I don't think I fully 752 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,720 understood it until she talked about it in her book that known 753 00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:23,360 not only is it OK to not feel OK, it's expected. 754 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,040 And in other parts of the world, they actually don't strive after 755 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,400 this happiness all the time type thing that we do, especially 756 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,040 here in Western culture. And so number one, just 757 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,600 accepting that the challenges are normal and that we're not 758 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,280 going to feel OK all the time now, like when we have those 759 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,000 moments in the run, maybe like we don't need to feel good the 760 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,040 entire run, but the run as a whole can still be good even 761 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,480 though that moment of the run isn't. 762 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,920 So just accepting that it's normal. 763 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,280 And then if the whole run sucks and you feel crappy after just 764 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,920 remembering what we said before, OK, what's the lesson that I 765 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,760 learned and how can that make my future runs better so that this 766 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,640 sucky experience is actually setting me up for future 767 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,960 success? Not not, yeah, this was a good 768 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,880 thing type of thing. But no, this really crappy thing 769 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,600 is actually preparing me for better runs in the future. 770 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,520 I love this. Thank you, Tony so much. 771 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,200 And you kind of already alluded to it. 772 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,720 You have website if somebody wants to learn with you, learn 773 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:20,480 from you, work with you, how can they best find you? 774 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,600 Yeah, I'll admit I don't do as much coaching these days as I 775 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,680 used to, but you can go to tonyrossicoaching.com. 776 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,600 You can sign up for my Mental Health for Creatives newsletter. 777 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,440 And if you're a runner, well, you qualify as a creative. 778 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,000 Congratulations. There is. 779 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,760 There are options to work with me in either a group setting or 780 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,480 one-on-one. And I do offer free consults for 781 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,240 anybody who's like, I kind of like this, but I don't know. 782 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:45,960 That's on my website. Mike calendar is super limited. 783 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:50,120 I apologize in advance, but there's a form to fill out where 784 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,160 you can contact me. So if my really, really sparse 785 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,280 calendar is not conducive to your schedule, just just shoot 786 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,280 me a message through the contact me page. 787 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,840 And then I also, I've been focusing on my TikTok channel. 788 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,640 I make new videos on mindset and mental health every day. 789 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,600 Just short talking head videos. So you can follow me at Tony dot 790 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,360 Rossi. And then my Instagram is the 791 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,920 same thing, Tony dot Rossi, and that's Tony with AY, Rossi with 792 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:15,720 an I. Perfect. 793 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:17,600 And we're gonna link all that in our show notes. 794 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,360 Tony, thank you so much. Awesome. 795 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:25,080 Thanks for having me Letty. Thank you Tony so much for 796 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,920 speaking with me. I really enjoyed our 797 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,520 conversation. I know we could have gone on 798 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,400 forever, but hopefully that just means that you're going to come 799 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,280 on to the next podcast as well and we're going to chat some 800 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,320 more about all things mental health. 801 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,400 Because I feel like that's, you know, like I told you, a topic 802 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,200 that gets ignored a lot. And it's helpful to bounce ideas 803 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,400 off of each other and see what you have learned while you were 804 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,880 figuring out that field navigating it. 805 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,800 Yeah, I think mental health's always very important and it's 806 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,720 sometimes are often overlooked. That's something they should be 807 00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:59,880 focused on. Yes, absolutely, because we can 808 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:04,120 train and do all the miles, but if our mind game is not on point 809 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,800 and then you can just forget it all. 810 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,640 Hence, remember my Chicago race where I just quit? 811 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,240 Your inner critic got a hold of you. 812 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,920 It sure did, and nobody could talk it out of it. 813 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,840 Not even a phone call to you. To my lifeline. 814 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,840 No, I was not successful. You weren't. 815 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,880 And for those of you guys who don't know what I'm talking 816 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,200 about, I did run the Chicago Marathon and I think at mile 14 817 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,200 or 15 I had a fall. And that fall just. 818 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,760 Pulled me out of this. Zone I was in and I called my 819 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,840 lifeline, my husband Ryan. And I said, are you hurt? 820 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,600 And you're like, no. And I said, well, keep running. 821 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,240 And you're like, I don't know. I couldn't do it. 822 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,120 I was just done. So that's why we consult with 823 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,320 these mental health advocates to become a better person and just 824 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,480 do better next time. All we can do is do better next 825 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,560 time, right? Well, it's fine to quit too if 826 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:48,680 you wanted. There's no big deal. 827 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,000 But I knew that if you didn't get up and keep running, you'd 828 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,960 probably regret it later that you didn't. 829 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,600 And, and so that's why I was trying to encourage you if you 830 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,000 were okay, just keep going and then maybe mentally after a 831 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,680 little bit of running, it would change. 832 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,520 And you were right, I was very upset at myself, but this seems 833 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,720 to I had been pulled out of this zone I was in. 834 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,480 But anyway, that's all stuff in the past, I've forgiven myself 835 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:14,920 for it and we'll be doing better next time. 1 foot ahead of the 836 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,840 other, isn't that what they say? Yeah, I mean, that is kind of 837 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,240 how I felt around in the marathon. 838 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:21,240 He's like, oh, just keep putting 1 foot ahead another. 839 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,200 Yeah, you need to get. Some time goals, right? 840 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,720 Anyway, all right, so stay tuned for next week's podcast. 841 00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,720 Like I said, we're going to try to have some, you know, either a 842 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,120 Christmas list or news about what's new in the running 843 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,120 industry so you guys can spend more money if you haven't spent 844 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,720 enough this year because it's a great time to do that. 845 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,280 At least you get to see all the new stuff, so that's kind of 846 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,120 cool. Exactly. 847 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,120 So with that. Have a great week of running. 848 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,840 Thanks for tuning in. For more information, go to 849 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:54,560 www.marathonrunningpodcast.com or check us out on all channels. 850 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:08,160 The.