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You're listening to episode 203 
of the Marathon Running Podcast.

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In this episode, we're going to 
talk about the Rome A marathon. 

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Hey runners, and welcome back to

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episode 203 of the Marathon 
running podcast. 

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My Name Is Letty. 
My name is Ray. 

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And we're back on to tell you 
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including training and 
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certain ways and all that stuff 
and nutrition. 

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And today we're going to do a 
recap. 

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And the recap is going to be of 
the 2024 Rome Marathon. 

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Your favorite type of podcast? 
Yes, I do love doing recaps. 

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And thanks for the feedback and 
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Yes, exactly. 
So before we hop into this recap

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episode, I want to talk about 
some current events. 

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Obviously, the Boston Marathon 
is lurking around the corner. 

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Do you say lurking? 
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So it's lurking around the 
corner. 

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Just another week to go. 
If you are going let me know, 

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contact me on Instagram. 
I'm super excited. 

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I'll be going to all the events 
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finally released all the 
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selected to run this year's 
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Apparently there was 165,000 
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For how many spots? 
Well, in 2023 there were 51,000 

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participants. 
There is a time qualifying 

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option, which before was a very 
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Even with the time qualifier, 
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first surf. 
So you had to sit on the 

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computer and try to get into the
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And depending on the speed of 
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you would or would not get in. 
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last time I was able to sign up 
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well this year it seemed like 
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easier by giving all the time 
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City races a window. 
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where they could just submit the
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they submit the application. 
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applicants that the cut off 
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And just to kind of give you an 
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time qualifier was and this is 
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the time qualifying time was a 
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For a 40 year old male that 
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are quite fast. 
So yeah, so there there goes New

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York. 
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fine tune all this, but you 
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fact that more and more people 
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marathon and that you have that 
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many spots. 
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turning into more like the 
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Yeah, I think it's actually 
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right now than the Boston 
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Yeah. 
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And it's a large marathon too. 
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people, whereas Boston, you 
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They have a good 4H time 
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only applicable for UK 
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So the rest of us play the 
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I don't know if you're aware of 
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lottery for probably four or 
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We know, never know, never know.
It'll be like, it'll be like 

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Tokyo where suddenly I'm like, 
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So today we're gonna talk about 
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Yes, we are so. 
Let's get into that. 

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Let's talk about Rome a little 
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the race and other race 
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So I tried to look up the 
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says the Rome marathon 
throughout history, you know can

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be dated back to 1906, which is 
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But then you know, you go to 
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different dates. 
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edition that you saw was Win 
1995 or something. 

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Yeah, 1995, making this year, 
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So that's of the current 
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Or, I don't know, maybe they had
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had some gaps after too, but 
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From 1995 on at least, seems to 
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Two O 642, which was actually 
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Ruto, which was kind of cool. 
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him crossing the finish line. 
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know, the fact that it was that 
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about given that the world 
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run so much faster. 
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fact that there's about 6 
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on cobblestone. 
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about 20 meters, which is about 
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We ran it really slowly, so I 
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appreciate or not appreciate the
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pace that we were going, but I 
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all. 
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I don't really remember many 
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were some decent hills there. 
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Hillier to me. 
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As for sights, the Rome marathon
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beautiful. 
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money amount is not as high as 
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it's Mediterranean climate 
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temperatures around sixty 
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not ideal you for racing and PR 
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temperature to do that in. 
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that we raced, it seemed like it
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but it was nice. 
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than predicted actually. 
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felt the temperature. 
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sports bra. 
I was warm enough for that. 

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So, you know, that goes to show 
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I don't run every race in a 
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So what brought us to Rome and 
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So OK, there's two different 
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My story is my brother wanted to
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has his favorite city being 
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And I agree because I will never
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possible. 
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my brother said, hey, it's the 
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Rome is your favorite city. 
You should run it. 

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I personally believe me. 
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brother later 'cause we'll bring
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It was his first marathon, so 
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and we can get into that later. 
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So let's talk a little bit about
the qualifying time and training

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that you needed for this race. 
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time and it doesn't seem like 
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their race. 
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people. 
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and it was, you know, we signed 
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When did we sign up? 
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you didn't know if you would 
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marathon. 
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You navigate the website if you 
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Normally for European races you 
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However, Rome has an exception 
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If you are running it for fun, 
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that's waved. 
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online. 
It was very simple with their 

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Google translated sites and and 
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Yeah, so we flew to Rome. 
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Rome wasn't too difficult. 
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Well, I felt like it was a 
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live in Fort Myers, FL and we 
drove the car over to Miami, and

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then from Miami we flew to New 
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to Rome. 
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drive from Fort Myers to Miami, 
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Yeah, I think it would. 
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had to get the time off. 
So we had to like fly out and 

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get there immediately, right 
before we can pick up our bibs 

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and do all the Expo stuff. 
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more time, it'd be a little 
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But overall, you know, for the 
international marathon, I didn't

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think it was too bad, but yeah. 
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bad at all. 
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and literally had to rush to the
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to closing, we got to the Expo. 
The Expo had a huge line and we 

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always talk about Expo. 
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into that a little bit. 
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place. 
The Expo had a line outside. 

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Usually, usually you like to go 
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I like to go Thursdays or 
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wasn't that wasn't possible 
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till Saturday. 
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there, head to the Expo and then
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Was quite a line. 
It was a huge line. 

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It was the line was divided by 
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There was a lot more men 
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race was divided for the first, 
I don't know, 7000 and the next,

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7000. 
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It was just one kind of shorter 
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But obviously I was going with 
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brother's friend, so it was not 
really possible for me to just 

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go in and get everybody's bib. 
We had to all wait for each 

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other. 
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organization than it seemed, but
it felt like we were all waiting

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in lines. 
And then they would let a chunk 

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of people into the Expo, and 
then you still have to go find 

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the spot to get your bib anyway,
but then they wait and let more 

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people in and then wait. 
I'm sure they were regulating it

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based on the size of the 
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But yeah, there's there's a 
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front, but then go ahead. 
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like the Expo that much. 
I don't know if the waiting 

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influenced your decision at all,
but you said that inside you 

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know it wasn't your favorite. 
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So ideally I feel like an Expo 
should be a huge haul with kind 

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of a gridlock of vendors and for
the person, the runner to walk 

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and collect a bib and then just 
kind of zigzag through the lines

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and try out different things in 
the booth here you had the Expo,

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I'm sorry, the bit pick up in 
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office building. 
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hallway and then you went 
downstairs to collect your shirt

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and then you went from the back,
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few booths, booths, booths to 
can't say that word to then 

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collect whatever you wanted. 
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there was any gear that was 
interesting to me. 

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I don't. 
Remember being having a lot of 

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stuff for sale? 
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And the Expo was also pretty far
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if if you would have taken 
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probably would have taken you 45
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we were staying which is West, 
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probably 10-15 minute walk. 
So it's kind of far, and I 

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really don't remember getting 
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the Uber twice. 
So tired. 

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But yeah, so, so then. 
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picked up at the Expo was they 
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cute, you know, rather than 
giving us a disposable plastic 

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bag, they had made these 
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you could just have a sticker 
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you knew, you know, this would 
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dog food, which I don't know, I 
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the Expo. 
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we had the kids with us and they
were excited for that and they 

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said that was gonna be the 
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was that. 
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And then after the Expo we were 
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pasta meal, which was on site. 
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someone standing at the bottom 
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to pay before you get in. 
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describe what the meal was or 
anything else, and there weren't

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a lot of people going up there. 
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I figured we could probably find
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and it'd probably be better. 
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conflicting, you know, opinion 
about what to do. 

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Yeah, it was because yours truly
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I hadn't had any food since the 
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I was like, just feed me now. 
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photosynthesis, decided let's 
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And so you know. 
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or not you would go to the pasta
dinner or you would go to get 

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pasta in Rome somewhere else 
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what you're getting first. 
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bit weird. 
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our stuff in our hotel room. 
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of late, you know, 'cause we'd 
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to just do separate dinners 
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with my brother and then his 
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We just kind of headed down and 
guess what? 

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There was pasta everywhere. 
That was good. 

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Yeah, so you headed to AI? 
Don't remember the name of the 

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place. 
Do you remember what you had? 

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I did. 
I had. 

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I had a pasta that would had 
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or some other things in it. 
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was like cheesy pasta, like a 
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fettuccine. 
I don't know, we'd have to. 

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It's hard because it's like, you
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language too. 
So we couldn't read it all but. 

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But it was. 
It was just pasta. 

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And the reason we didn't have 
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going to have pizza every day 
for the next. 

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Week. 
We actually got a pizza there 

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too, for the kids. 
Oh, did we? 

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I don't. 
Remember that? 

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But yeah, so then we ate that. 
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We stopped for a Gelato. 
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So then it was time to head back
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So we tried to get an early rest
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the marathon, and fortunately we
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before, fortunately or 
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so it was pretty easy to get to 
sleep. 

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Yeah, and the fun, fun part 
about the place we were staying 

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was that it was on the third 
floor, which I wasn't worried 

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about, but I was worried about 
it because I really wanted my 

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brother to go see it. 
And knowing that it was his 

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first marathon run, I figured if
you didn't see it by then, he 

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wouldn't see it for the rest of 
the trip because there was no 

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way he was gonna run up or walk 
up three flights of stairs, 

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unfortunately. 
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And so he didn't see the room, 
and he never saw the room. 

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But so then race morning we wake
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I felt super rested the the 
entire time in Italy actually 

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felt like I slept so much better
than I ever do at home. 

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We got the kids dressed and 
headed over to my brother's 

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hotel where we dropped off the 
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shout out to her was watching 
them with her daughter Baby 

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Beatrix, and the kids were 
excited because. 

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So the kids had their little 
cousin and they got to hang out 

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during the the race and we all 
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and one of her brother's 
friends. 

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Manny. 
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line. 
Yeah, and so to give you a 

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little oversight of where this 
would take place, cause Rome is 

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such a beautiful city, the race 
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ends at the Colosseum, which 
they're both really close 

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together. 
Some of the points that you'll 

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pass is Arco de Constantino, 
Circo Massimo, Porta San Paolo, 

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Pyramid of Cestius Basilica, 
Saint Paul, St. 

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Peter's Basilica 4, Italico, 
Piazza, Augusta Imperator and 

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the Spanish Steps, the Capital 
Line, Hill Steps, the Theatre of

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Marcellus, the Mouth of Truth, 
and just so, so many more. 

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And obviously if, if you don't 
know, it goes by Saint Peter's 

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Basilica, like I said, which is,
you know, it goes through the 

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Vatican, which we'll we'll get 
into. 

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Yeah, that was kind of cool. 
Yeah. 

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But yeah, so we went there. 
It actually like is was 

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predicted to be a little colder 
than it was, than it was that it

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turned out to be. 
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because I don't really like 
being cold, it was a little bit 

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warmer and it was actually sunny
for most of the race, which is 

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kind of nice. 
So we got there and we had our, 

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like, you know, throwaway 
clothes that you had and jackets

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and other stuff in our bags. 
But we really, you know, you 

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really only needed it for the 
walk there, and you probably 

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didn't even need much otherwise.
Yeah, it was almost like Ryan 

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could check his throwaway 
jacket, which I prohibited from 

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happening because it was a it 
was an Under Armour bright blue 

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throwaway jacket that needed to 
go. 

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Let he wanted to go. 
Yeah, she she got a phone before

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At some what? 
A goodwill or something. 

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I don't. 
Mind a goodwill specifically for

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this race? 
Yeah, So we weren't going to 

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take it home. 
So it's it's kind of funny 

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because it was like for lacrosse
or something and it had a 

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picture of like a bear on it. 
I have no idea where it was from

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because it just said it had 
lacrosse sticks and like a bear 

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on it. 
So whatever icon, it's probably 

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some high school team or 
something. 

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But anyway the the start was 
actually really like kind of 

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chaotic and it's like too many 
people for the space that they 

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had because they had all these 
trucks laid out. 

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You had to go. 
That part was organized, I think

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in the sense that like you had 
to have your bag and you can put

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it in whatever truck fits 
matched your numbers. 

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And so that was kind of nice, 
but there just wasn't a lot of 

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space. 
So people were like, you know, 

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just trying to get through to 
get to their stuff and drop it 

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off. 
And then even between the trucks

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and the start line, you know, 
there was, it was just packed 

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full of people. 
So there's still people from the

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start line backed up through the
trucks where you're dropping 

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your stuff off. 
And so before the start, 

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everyone kind of just stood in 
one big pile and and it wasn't 

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really divided much. 
I mean maybe, maybe it was 

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better somewhere else, but it 
wasn't really divided much by 

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times or anything. 
They had a certain people had 

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different categories or so like 
you were category A and the 

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people without like Fast times 
or D or something like that. 

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But yeah, you're organized by 
time. 

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So I was chorale a we're all 
gonna run together anyway. 

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But we never made it to the 
chorales. 

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We literally got stopped in the 
tracks. 

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There is no way to get. 
Through the bathrooms, and we 

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also saw the Pacers also getting
stuck, we saw balloons ranging 

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from three hours and something 
to five hours, all next to each 

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other. 
All different paces, yeah. 

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Even though the race had already
started so, but it didn't matter

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to us anyway. 
It's going to be Stevens, my 

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brother's first marathon, so we 
just kind of went with it and 

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eventually crossed the starting 
line. 

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Yeah. 
So we we were expectations 

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beforehand. 
We were trying, we were planning

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on just going slow. 
I mean, Steven was training for 

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the marathon, but then he had 
gotten sick, so then he didn't 

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get a train like he wanted to. 
And this is kind of his first 

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intro into running in general, 
even to. 

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You know, like we said, we were 
just gonna plan on running 

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together. 
So that worked out perfectly. 

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Well, at the start there was, I 
almost said graffiti, but I mean

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confetti, confetti, confetti. 
So yeah, so that was beautiful. 

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And obviously, you know, you see
the morning sunrise and you have

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the Colosseum, the air is 
perfect and you're running. 

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I mean, I was literally in 
heaven. 

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I felt like I died and I was in 
heaven. 

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I was so gorgeous. 
Yeah. 

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So we started off right by the 
Coliseum. 

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I mean, it's hard to miss a lot 
of their stuff. 

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I think was was, you know, some 
of the other places in that part

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of Rome. 
I think they had barriers up. 

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So it was like you weren't able 
to look at it that much at the 

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beginning. 
Plus there's just so much going 

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on with people and stuff. 
But then, but then as soon as we

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started, it did get better. 
It was like, you know, it 

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thinned out relatively quickly. 
I guess it did. 

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Yeah. 
At least enough so you could run

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comfortably. 
You weren't, like, bumping into 

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people the whole time. 
Yeah, I had a fall within the 

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first quarter mile. 
Well, you were, we were running 

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and you know, like typical 
marathons at the beginning when 

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there is still a lot of people, 
you know, people start spreading

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out to the sidewalks and stuff 
like that. 

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So we're actually running on one
of the sidewalks. 

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But then the sidewalk stopped, 
and it wasn't like a gradual it 

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was just like a little curb. 
And Lenny was looking around 

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somewhere else, videotaping, not
looking where she was running. 

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And she she missed the fact that
we were going off a curb. 

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I literally rolled my ankle off 
it, but saving factor was that 

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it was a step down. 
So I had enough time, usually 

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before my face, but enough time 
for my arms to come out and 

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like, catch me right before that
would happen. 

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It wasn't a bad fall. 
It was the IT was the good 

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ankle, so it was a good thing. 
So with that, you know, I felt 

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awake and fresh and we started 
this marathon. 

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Do you have any memorable 
experiences from the first half?

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I remember the Italians being 
very friendly and cheerful. 

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I remember there being a lot of 
Mario Brothers. 

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I don't remember seeing a lot of
Mario Brothers. 

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There was one very memorable 
Mario, though. 

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Oh yes. 
So there was a bunch of runners 

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pushing wheelchairs, and this 
guy didn't have anyone in his 

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wheelchair. 
So instead he had placed a 

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boombox on there and he was 
playing, you know, European 

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music, which I just remember 
videotaping my brother because 

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my brother knew that song and it
gave him, you know, when you 

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hear a song and it's just your 
vibe, and I think that was 

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probably his fastest mile. 
He was just like recording 

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himself with Mario, running to 
it and he just felt so happy and

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that made my heart so happy. 
I'm glad it was happy. 

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So there is this guy, he was 
dressed up as Mario's pushing a 

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wheelchair. 
I don't, we don't know the whole

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story of it, but there was a 
speaker in the wheelchair. 

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I was like he said, but he also 
had headphones on and a 

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microphone and so like the music
was playing and he was basically

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trying to hype people up the 
whole time. 

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He wasn't like singing to the 
music. 

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He was like let's go, let's run 
and like the whole time, like as

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he was running the marathon with
a wheelchair. 

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I completely missed that. 
Was it in Italian? 

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I think he did. 
I think he did both. 

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Oh, I didn't. 
I didn't hear that at all. 

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Yeah, that was it was pretty 
fun. 

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So he was basically trying to 
hype up people as he was running

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through. 
I wonder if he has some cool 

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back story. 
I don't know like, But anyway 

449
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:08,040
that was actually that was in 
the first half I think, right 

450
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,600
that we saw. 
Him, but pretty early on. 

451
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,200
Yeah, it was a little ways away,
but. 

452
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,600
Yeah, and other things that we 
saw were a lot of people 

453
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,560
cheering. 
There was people dressed up like

454
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,280
gladiators on the sides. 
And I just remember seeing the 

455
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,680
sights and being in awe of, you 
know, Rome is such an old city. 

456
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,560
It's just really cool to see 
that on foot, You know, just 

457
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,080
imagine people close the road 
for you and you're sightseeing 

458
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,840
on foot. 
So that was really, really cool.

459
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:43,600
At kilometre 1314, we got to see
our kids and my brother got to 

460
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,920
see his wife and his daughter. 
And that was really emotional 

461
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,960
for me because I run a lot of 
races and I never get to run 

462
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,880
with family or you run with 
family in the combination and 

463
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,240
also seeing my kids, So that was
cool. 

464
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,880
My son gave me a big hug, my 
daughter gave me a little hug 

465
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,280
and she gave me that look and 
she was like, mom, why are you 

466
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,960
stopping? 
You need to keep running. 

467
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,520
And I said, Leanna, the time 
doesn't matter. 

468
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,960
We're running this for fun. 
And she kind of rolled her eyes 

469
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,120
and she was like, you need to 
get going again, which was kind 

470
00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,040
of interesting, she. 
Was worried about you because a 

471
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,920
lot of people had gone by before
you. 

472
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,560
Oh, she always does. 
No. 

473
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,920
And it was, it was cool to see. 
It was cool to see them all 

474
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,480
excited and cheering on. 
I think they, you know, took the

475
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,720
energy of the crowd around them 
and let his energy as she always

476
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,560
is. 
And we're high fiving the people

477
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,680
according to our, you know, 
according to their aunt, you 

478
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,480
know, they were high fiving and 
people were running across the 

479
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,520
the race course to give them 
high fives, you know, before we 

480
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,080
got there. 
And so that was kind of cool. 

481
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,960
Yeah, that was definitely cool. 
And Leanna also told me that 

482
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,760
this was the best day of the 
whole trip for her. 

483
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,400
So it was kind of cool to hear, 
you know, getting inspired by 

484
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,680
running. 
I don't really ever try to push 

485
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,560
our kids into running. 
But you know, maybe maybe we do 

486
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,320
just submission submissively. 
No, subconsciously. 

487
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,720
Subliminally subliminal. 
We're sending subliminal 

488
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:12,960
messages anyhow, so after that, 
let's see my brother. 

489
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,040
Well, we'll have him on, so 
he'll tell you about his own 

490
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,760
race. 
Any other things that you 

491
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,280
remember seeing during the race 
that really inspired you or that

492
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,560
really stuck with you? 
I do remember the cobblestones a

493
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,680
lot. 
It wasn't maybe as bad as I 

494
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,600
thought, running on them, but 
there were some areas where you 

495
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,360
were better off choosing a path 
as opposed to just running, you 

496
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:39,080
know, anywhere you wanted to. 
But it wasn't as bad as I 

497
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,080
thought it might have been. 
I think the cobblestones, you 

498
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,160
know, like they said there was 
about 6 kilometers of 

499
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,000
cobblestones. 
I feel like they didn't matter 

500
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,000
to us as much because of our 
pace. 

501
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,120
We're going slow and easy, but I
think when you're racing and 

502
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:54,200
you're exhausted and you're just
trying to have a certain 

503
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,360
footstep constantly, I think 
that would have bothered me a 

504
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:00,080
lot. 
I definitely wouldn't try to to 

505
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,120
race on that. 
Also you know some of them are 

506
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,440
worn down a little bit and 
they're a little bit more 

507
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,840
slippery. 
So if you're racing, you know 

508
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,040
that's something definitely to 
to consider. 

509
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,600
Yeah, I mean it takes a little 
bit more energy to run over 

510
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,400
cobblestones. 
And when you're running in a 

511
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,240
marathon and if you're running 
at your limit, then that can 

512
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,480
make a difference. 
Not even just like you say, 

513
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,120
making sure you don't fall, but 
also, you know, there's even 

514
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,680
rivets or, you know, ruts in the
road or so, which can mean 

515
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,840
you're like stepping up or down 
over things. 

516
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,760
And you know, it's not a big 
deal over a little bit, but when

517
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,120
you're running a long time and 
again at your limit, it makes a 

518
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:38,080
difference. 
Yeah. 

519
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,880
Absolutely. 
I do remember the back half I 

520
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,920
was walking on just we were 
running on a paved road and I 

521
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,560
was thinking, wow, this is 
really flat and paved. 

522
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,040
And so that kind of, I guess, 
gives you an idea of a lot of 

523
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,160
the race wasn't super flat and 
even. 

524
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,120
Yeah, that you noticed it like 
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569
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,240
So during the marathon we met a 
lot of cool people. 

570
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:40,000
Yeah, during the race you saw 
some gladiators that wanted to 

571
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,600
take your their picture with you
while you were running, which is

572
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,240
kind of random, but. 
So I stopped and let them take 

573
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,640
the picture and they wrapped an 
Italian flag around me. 

574
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,800
Yeah, I don't know what they're 
going to do with that picture. 

575
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,880
And I actually, So at the the 
second-half of the marathon, I 

576
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,200
don't know if we're getting to 
that yet, but someone said, oh, 

577
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,240
marathon running podcast, 'cause
I happen to be wearing the 

578
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,800
marathon running podcast shirt. 
And they're like, I know that 

579
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,000
podcast and I was like, oh wow, 
I can't lose somebody who 

580
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,640
recognized the podcast while 
we're running there. 

581
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,880
But that was really cool. 
Yeah, I was like, wow, that's 

582
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,960
really neat. 
Yeah, we're getting out there a 

583
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:19,240
little bit more, so that's good.
Also, I remember that I saw, you

584
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,720
know, the typical thing that you
would think about Italy. 

585
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:27,640
I saw like a man that was 
wearing kind of clothing, 

586
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,800
congregational clothing. 
I saw some nuns that were waving

587
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,400
and cheering people on, a lot of
kids. 

588
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,480
So to me, I thought the crowds 
were very spread out, which is 

589
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,440
kind of neat like, you know, 
most of the course racecourse, 

590
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,760
you had people there cheering. 
I mean maybe near the end there 

591
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,520
was less, but that we were 
running slow. 

592
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,200
So a lot of people probably 
left, but it wasn't like super 

593
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,920
concentrated in one area, but 
yet it was all over the place, 

594
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,720
which is kind of neat. 
Yeah, that was cool. 

595
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,200
That was definitely cool. 
Do you remember when it comes to

596
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,360
food and stuff they were 
offering on the course? 

597
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,240
What is your recollection of 
that? 

598
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,560
Yeah, they had a bunch of 
stations where they had water 

599
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,080
and then I guess sports type 
drink, I don't know what it was 

600
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,680
called. 
And then they had some fruit 

601
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,520
they did, they didn't have the 
fruit and actually crackers and 

602
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,800
stuff until I think it wasn't 
even till half past halfway. 

603
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,800
So it was in the latter half of 
the race and they actually in 

604
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,800
the latter half of the race. 
And I I don't, I don't know, 

605
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,640
maybe it was just because we 
were running slower, but they 

606
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,920
had like run out of cups in some
of the places. 

607
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,280
So they were like just had hoses
that people were drinking out of

608
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,200
and things like that. 
One thing that was impactful to 

609
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:44,240
me was that they had sponges in 
water to like wipe off your face

610
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,360
and that was really cool or to 
wipe off whatever, you know, 

611
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,640
like the sweat and everything 
else. 

612
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,280
And and I actually really like 
that, although I did see that 

613
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,120
that it made for a lot of trash 
and cool pictures of sponges 

614
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,160
like parting the road. 
But I liked it 'cause it was 

615
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,320
nice to get kind of that sweat 
off or the saltiness off you and

616
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,920
feel fresher. 
Yeah, I remember that now. 

617
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,480
I don't. 
I don't really recall much of 

618
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,120
the food either. 
I remember that we were on our 

619
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,080
legs long time and enough to 
eventually feel a little bit of 

620
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,320
hunger. 
I did like the idea of the 

621
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,400
sponges. 
I just wasn't warm enough to use

622
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,560
a cold sponge on my body. 
I felt like, you know, running 

623
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,960
in a sports for I was enough and
anything else was going to make 

624
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:34,240
me kind of get too cold. 
I also don't like the pollution 

625
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,760
part of that, part of that. 
Yeah, I mean I'm sure they 

626
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,080
cleaned up, but the food wise 
they had you know the bananas, 

627
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,760
they had some oranges which we 
never actually got to apples. 

628
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,360
They had like a kind of a 
cracker that was mildly sweet 

629
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,320
cracker. 
And then there's a there's like 

630
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,160
1 station I think that had some 
some additional stuff there. 

631
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,080
But it was funny because, you 
know, by the time we got to the 

632
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,480
food stations, they all, all, 
all oranges were gone. 

633
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,440
Initially you had bananas and 
other stuff, but then further 

634
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,400
along the bananas were no longer
being cut and you just like have

635
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,600
full bananas and then they were 
really green bananas and full 

636
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,920
apples. 
I think the the, you know, I'm 

637
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,639
sure over time they kind of got 
lazy and didn't want to, you 

638
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,360
know, keep cutting and and like 
preparing stuff. 

639
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,280
So the further along we got, 
like the, the less prepared it 

640
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,040
seemed to. 
But the more food you would get 

641
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,960
and then eventually the same 
with the sports drink, you know,

642
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,960
you would have a full bottle. 
And then you and I were kind of 

643
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,560
feeling bad. 
Like, we're like, you want to 

644
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,840
share this? 
Because I don't want to just 

645
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,360
take a zip of this massive half 
gallon bottle and then just toss

646
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,880
it. 
So then I found myself running 

647
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,440
with this big jug of of liquid 
and eventually I would just, you

648
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,000
know, drop it somewhere. 
But yeah. 

649
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,280
Well, the guy actually like 
poured it into a smaller bottle 

650
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,280
for us and then we shared it and
so and that that worked out 

651
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,760
better, yeah. 
But so another thing that 

652
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,480
happened during the run was my 
brother, when he was getting 

653
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,680
into the kind of negative 
headspace, was saying to us, oh,

654
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,200
I should be running with someone
else. 

655
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,720
I should be running with this 
guy. 

656
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,320
And he was pointing at a 
gentleman that was running in 

657
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,240
front of us and sometimes behind
us, kind of always the same 

658
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:16,400
pace. 
And so I was like, OK, I'm going

659
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,560
to check out this guy. 
I ran past him because 

660
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,160
everybody's bib had their name 
and a flag next to it. 

661
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,120
So I ran past him and kind of 
peeked at his flag, and I 

662
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,160
couldn't recognize his flag. 
Yeah, it was kind of creepy that

663
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,760
I did that. 
And so then in in order to avoid

664
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,200
the creepiness, I introduced 
myself. 

665
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,680
I said, hi, I'm bloody. 
I just wanted to see what 

666
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,560
country you're from. 
And he said he was from 

667
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,560
Tanzania, His name was Patrick, 
and it was his first marathon as

668
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,040
well. 
So I told Patrick, my brother 

669
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,040
Steven is running your pace. 
Would you like to run with us a 

670
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,080
little bit? 
And he was very excited because 

671
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,160
he was on his own running that 
pace and kind of struggling. 

672
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,680
So for the rest of the marathon,
and I want to say it was 

673
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,400
probably more than half, we ran 
with Patrick. 

674
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,160
So our crew of four turned into 
a crew of five. 

675
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,520
And now, you know, I know we've 
been dragging this on forever, 

676
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,120
but eventually we all crossed 
the finish line as a human 

677
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,680
chain. 
I was holding Ryan's hand. 

678
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,120
Who was holding Manny's hand? 
Who was holding Stevens hand? 

679
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,720
Who was holding Patrick's hand? 
That video can be seen on 

680
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:18,960
Instagram and it's super 
beautiful. 

681
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,480
It makes me emotional. 
It's so cool. 

682
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,600
You know how you, like, run this
marathon in this big city and 

683
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,040
then you cross the finish line 
together? 

684
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:28,440
Well, Patrick also was signed up
for another marathon within the 

685
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,120
month, right? 
Or a month later. 

686
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,720
Yeah, Steven kept in touch with 
him and he's still doing it. 

687
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,680
I think it's Madrid. 
Yeah, that's right. 

688
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,040
It was Madrid. 
Yeah. 

689
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,080
And in his home country, there 
is a marathon too, right? 

690
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,800
Yes, yes it is. 
And so we might actually do that

691
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,440
at some point, 'cause that 
sounded really cool. 

692
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,240
Yeah. 
So with that, now we're going to

693
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,760
tune over and speak with my 
brother. 

694
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,120
All right, So we're on here with
our guest, my brother Steven. 

695
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,560
Hi, Steven. 
Hi, Lady. 

696
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,400
Hi, Ron. 
Hi. 

697
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,040
How are you feeling? 
I'm feeling good today. 

698
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,800
Feeling good? 
So it's been a couple of weeks 

699
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,360
since we did run the Rome 
marathon and kind of handbook 

700
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,240
what always happens after 
somebody runs a marathon is they

701
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:19,920
hate it towards the end of it. 
But I think, Steven, you already

702
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,760
signed up for the 2025 marathon,
is that right? 

703
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,680
I haven't formally signed up 
yet, but I think I will do the 

704
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,320
same one again. 
He is mentally committed to it, 

705
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,080
which which I applaud. 
I love that about about 

706
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,440
everything marathoning. 
And I told you that was gonna 

707
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,200
happen. 
But let's give our listeners a 

708
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,520
little bit of a background for 
your, you know, your marathon. 

709
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,240
You are currently 44 years old 
and you just started running. 

710
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,280
When was it, December or 
November? 

711
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,240
Think October or November 
sometime when we had this crazy 

712
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,560
idea. 
Yeah. 

713
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,320
And we kind of want to clarify 
it because there's two stories 

714
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,840
going on about how this marathon
came about. 

715
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,760
In my head. 
I remember telling you Rome is 

716
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,600
your favorite city and you said 
yes, I want to run the Rome 

717
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:18,200
marathon. 
Yes, I think, I I think you 

718
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,920
started talking about it first, 
yes. 

719
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:27,240
And then you decided to sign up.
I decided to sign up because I 

720
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:30,680
think there was some question on
your side if you could do it, 

721
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,440
but I needed to be committed and
so I think I signed up before 

722
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,240
you I was committed. 
You were committed. 

723
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:43,160
You roped in another friend of 
yours to also run his first 

724
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,240
marathon and so you had, you had
a little bit of time to train. 

725
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,560
So tell our listeners what you 
used for training and how you 

726
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,720
approached your training. 
Was your goal to just finish the

727
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:55,880
marathon? 
And what was your idea of of 

728
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,640
this marathon thing? 
The goal at the end was to just 

729
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,480
finish. 
Initially I thought I I should 

730
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,320
be a little bit ambitious and I 
I I wasn't sure about the time, 

731
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,600
but I thought I was going to do 
better than I ended up doing. 

732
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,520
I think my problem is that I 
live in the eternal winter in 

733
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,040
Wisconsin and running outside 
was was really difficult. 

734
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,320
And so for most of my training I
actually had to run inside. 

735
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:29,640
So all my my long runs and most 
of my short runs, they were all 

736
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,080
on the treadmill, which ended up
being. 

737
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,800
I don't know if that was good. 
I listened to your episodes 

738
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,160
where you talked about running 
on a treadmill for the marathon,

739
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,000
and I just think it would have 
been better if I could have done

740
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,160
it outside. 
Yeah, I think living outside in 

741
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,240
general is more inspiring it it 
gets you going a lot easier than

742
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:56,560
thinking I'm gonna run this on 
the treadmill. 

743
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,200
So is it or is it not true that 
you looked up the prize money 

744
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,920
thinking you were gonna win? 
I definitely looked at the prize

745
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,160
money, especially during rough 
times, to see if it could 

746
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,600
motivate me. 
I had no idea though that the 

747
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:15,960
winner was going to run in two 
hours and 5 minutes, and so that

748
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,200
was for me. 
See, I'm so new to running, I 

749
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,160
have no idea. 
I think that was the problem 

750
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,000
that I had no idea where I would
fall and I did not have anybody 

751
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,560
to sort of no, I didn't try to 
bounce off ideas. 

752
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,880
I should have talked to you 
lady, a little bit more about 

753
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,560
the running and the training and
how it's going. 

754
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,840
I just relied on this app that I
had to run with Hall app and I 

755
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,240
think looking back it would have
been better to not strictly 

756
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:48,280
follow some app and try and do 
that by myself. 

757
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,680
I think it would have been more 
fun and better if I had maybe 

758
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,120
run with other people, like a 
running group or have somebody 

759
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,880
to talk to about my progress. 
I think it would have helped me 

760
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,800
a little bit more than just the 
app. 

761
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,160
I think at the end I felt pretty
alone with the app and I wasn't 

762
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,960
really, you know, getting to the
point where I wanted to be. 

763
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:08,960
That's really a cool insight to 
see. 

764
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:13,080
But yeah, I think running groups
are always definitely fun and 

765
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,800
good because it does provide a 
lot of motivation. 

766
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,600
And then as you were you were 
saying before about the 

767
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,480
treadmill, I remember from doing
both marathons cause I've only 

768
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,600
done the one before that, but a 
lot, a big part of the latter 

769
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,720
half of it is just the pain of 
like impacting the ground all 

770
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:34,960
the time And the treadmills are 
typically built so that you 

771
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:40,840
don't have as much impact, which
may not prepare you as well for 

772
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,600
you know, that part of the 
marathon. 

773
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,120
Absolutely. 
I think the two downsides with 

774
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,280
the treadmill are that you can I
I ran for, you know, up to 4 

775
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,080
hours in the tread, you know, 
and you just fall into a rut 

776
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,120
because you don't have to think 
about the pace at all. 

777
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,360
It's given you just kind of, you
know, go I I watched entire 

778
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,000
movies just, you know look 
listening to the movies and run 

779
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,320
and that's not really you know, 
how it is on the outside. 

780
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,760
So that was one big thing. 
And yeah, you're absolutely 

781
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,720
right about my my legs at the 
last, the last 6-7 miles, I felt

782
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,680
like the limiting factor for me 
was not, you know, my my heart 

783
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,440
or my cardiovascular system. 
It was my legs were just done. 

784
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,360
They were like beaten up and my 
feet hurt. 

785
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,480
And I felt like if I had fresh 
legs, you know, if my legs 

786
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,400
didn't hurt, I could have run 
the last third a little bit 

787
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,400
faster. 
I just couldn't every step hurt.

788
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,800
That was that was amazing, to 
see how other people, you know 

789
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:47,600
way, way older than me, were 
just cruising by me at the last 

790
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,720
third so that I was amazing and 
humbling. 

791
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,040
It's very humbling and I think 
that's the thing with running. 

792
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,960
It's such a big learning 
experience that the mistakes you

793
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,080
make now, you've learned from 
and then you just keep growing 

794
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,920
and and and and with that also, 
you know the the whole running 

795
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,640
group making running more of 
your lifestyle. 

796
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,320
I mean, I think you did great. 
It was your first marathon, you 

797
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,600
didn't start running at 30, you 
started running at your age now.

798
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,880
So it's I think it can, it can 
only get better from that one, I

799
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,880
mean. 
I I successfully avoided running

800
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,640
even even if I did soccer and 
sports. 

801
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,000
I I picked goalkeeper because it
was a fun way to play soccer 

802
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,800
without having to run much. 
And so I can't believe that you 

803
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,200
talked me into this in my 40s, 
but here we are. 

804
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,600
Well, I mean, so All in all, I 
know that you, well, tell us 

805
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,520
about the time where you hit the
wall and by the wall hitting the

806
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,360
wall, not meaning, you know, 
suddenly you felt crappy. 

807
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,520
Like, tell us about how your 
mind shifted and your thought 

808
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,080
process went from one second. 
You're taking videos of yourself

809
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,800
running with Mario, pushing your
wheelchair with music, kind of 

810
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,680
cursing to where none of us 
really wanted to run next to you

811
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,840
for a little while because you 
were making a couple of not so 

812
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:07,960
happy remarks. 
What do? 

813
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,520
You like the emotional parts? 
Well, you know Mario was 

814
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,640
inspiring. 
I think he was sort of in the 

815
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,400
first third towards the middle 
and I think after the, I 

816
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,120
remember when we passed the half
marathon part, I remember 

817
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,680
thinking this would have been 
fun to stop now. 

818
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,640
So I think that maybe doing half
marathon first mentally would 

819
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,720
have been much more reachable. 
But then I remember after that 

820
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:40,960
thinking, OK, I don't feel as 
good anymore at the beginning. 

821
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,760
And so mentally, I think that's 
why I first started struggling a

822
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,360
little bit. 
And then at that point, my 

823
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,080
limiting factor was just, you 
know, that I wasn't, you know, 

824
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,360
in the marathon shape that I 
wanted to be in. 

825
00:44:54,640 --> 00:45:00,200
And then the last 7 miles, that 
was after my 19, It was all my 

826
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,760
legs. 
That's when I had to do a lot of

827
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,680
The Walking because I just, my 
legs just hurt. 

828
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,880
And I think Ryan was the one who
said or I think it was Ryan, you

829
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,120
know? 
And when you did your first 

830
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,760
marathon that at some point your
feet just hurt. 

831
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,840
And it doesn't matter if you run
or walk, they just hurt, might 

832
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,320
as well run. 
And so I tried to. 

833
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,480
I tried to take that, but I I 
think that's what that's what 

834
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,800
that was when I was very unhappy
and I remember thinking one of 

835
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,600
the stupid idea this was and how
much I hated it. 

836
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,040
But you know, I was glad you 
guys were there. 

837
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,040
That was the point where you 
know, if you guys hadn't been 

838
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,400
there, maybe I would have said 
screw this, but. 

839
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,840
And your new friend Patrick, 
right, Patrick, the guy tell us 

840
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,880
your experience of meeting 
Patrick on the course and you're

841
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,680
rekindled or you're not 
rekindled your your friendship 

842
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,320
that you have with him now. 
Well, I mean you know friendship

843
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,480
is you know we we just you know 
like you we're in touch over 

844
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,680
Instagram. 
I think what I noticed what was 

845
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,560
fun was that at some point you 
notice people who are about your

846
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,080
piece and they kind of like 
sometimes go by you a little bit

847
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,080
and then sometimes you go past 
them and you see the the same 

848
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,440
with that German guy Frank that 
we met. 

849
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,240
So Patrick from Tanzania and 
Frank, we, I just noticed that, 

850
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,920
you know we kind of passed them.
They passed us, you know, back 

851
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,360
and forth and after, you know, 
doing this for an hour, you kind

852
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,440
of like, huh, you know, I wonder
if they are cool And then they 

853
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,960
both ended up being cool. 
And I am glad that you are so 

854
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,880
much more outgoing than me and 
you just kind of chat people up 

855
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,840
and then you know we ended up 
all hanging out together 

856
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,600
afterwards. 
That was that was actually fun. 

857
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:41,280
I thought that was a big fun 
part that you meet people also. 

858
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,480
I I also think I, I went to the 
Expo when you did your Chicago 

859
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,960
mayor in one time. 
And I remember feeling that 

860
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,960
energy at the Expo where 
everybody's sort of excited 

861
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,080
about it and there's all these 
vendors, but then everybody sees

862
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,440
like you know, showing their 
name on the wall and you know 

863
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,760
looking at the chords and taking
pictures with a bib. 

864
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,360
I I think that's a very 
positive, you know, energy that 

865
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,280
I, you know, I I discovered in 
Chicago last time and then this 

866
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,880
time definitely I felt like I 
was more part of it. 

867
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,560
Yeah, you were. 
I mean, you you were in your 

868
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,800
marathon. 
So tell me about your thoughts 

869
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,200
when you finally saw that we 
were going back to the Colosseum

870
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,280
Cross and that you know, you saw
the finish line. 

871
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,120
And then we all sang the Kumbaya
held hands and. 

872
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:29,400
Yeah, you made us hold hands. 
Yes, I I think that I was at 

873
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,960
that point, honestly. 
I I maybe I I thought it was 

874
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,440
going to be this like 
experience, like, you know, 

875
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,400
you're born again or something. 
I was just numb. 

876
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,480
I think at that point, it's 
beautiful surroundings, but I 

877
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,400
was just numb. 
Everything was just dumb. 

878
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,480
So I didn't have any strong 
feelings. 

879
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,560
When I crossed the line, I was 
like, you know, I was OK we're 

880
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,360
we're done. 
Good. 

881
00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:55,640
I made it. 
I didn't get picked up by that 

882
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,720
card at the end. 
That was my big worry after my 

883
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,600
last long run when I was sick, I
I I thought I was just going to 

884
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,120
get picked up by a buzz and had 
had to do that shame, shameful 

885
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,520
ride home. 
I'm glad that didn't happen. 

886
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:15,560
But I was too numb from pain and
exhaustion to feel like, 

887
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,800
excited. 
I think that came like a couple 

888
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:23,400
days after. 
So how sore were you right after

889
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,480
or the day after? 
I was, I I I was sore. 

890
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,520
I remember, you know walking 
really weird like getting up at 

891
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,800
night and then I like you know, 
I had to take one step and like 

892
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,000
an old man I felt like like it 
was a preview of how you feel 

893
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,920
when you're a really old person.
It was, it was bad. 

894
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,360
It wasn't horrible. 
I I mean I wasn't dying in pain 

895
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,440
and I I was a little bit you 
know, being in the medical 

896
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,120
field. 
I was worried that I was going 

897
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,560
to get Raptor or something. 
So Raptor is when your muscles 

898
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,440
breakdown from over exertion and
then those byproducts they can 

899
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,800
clog up your kidneys and cause 
issues with peeing and kidney 

900
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,200
failure and all that kind of 
stuff. 

901
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,280
I I had read about that, about 
how some people who ran 

902
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,600
marathons and weren't really 
prepared got in trouble with 

903
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,280
that. 
And so then, you know, I I I was

904
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,720
a little bit worried about that 
because I felt like I wasn't as 

905
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:19,920
ready as I should have been. 
And of course, you know, I, I, 

906
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,360
I, I thought about that and I 
looked at my pee quite a bit. 

907
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,320
And fortunately, you still have 
functioning kidneys, right? 

908
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,200
I do. 
I'm, I'm, I'm good for now. 

909
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,680
OK. 
So did you get? 

910
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,240
Did you get past the? 
I never wanted to do this again,

911
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:40,080
and maybe I'll sign up for 
another one after a few days. 

912
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,120
Or how long did that take? 
I was debating it because you 

913
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,120
know, I I think it is a lot of 
fun. 

914
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,840
I think it was also a lot of fun
because you guys were all there.

915
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,840
I do have the mixed feeling 
though about this running 

916
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,840
together because I was clearly 
the like the slowest 1. 

917
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,440
And at some point I think I told
Ryan that I I felt like, you 

918
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,440
know you guys are taking me for 
a walk like I'm this guy can't 

919
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,080
really do much and you guys are 
taking me out for stroll on 

920
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,240
Sunday and you know, I I, you 
know, I'm there's a little bit 

921
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:13,920
of a pride thing too. 
I felt like I wasn't, you know, 

922
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,800
on par and so I was struggling 
with the idea. 

923
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,800
But I think I I like the energy 
a lot that was happening about 

924
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,360
the marathon and I think I'm 
going to do it again. 

925
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,240
But I'm, I'm not going to sign 
up for one, like in four months 

926
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:29,880
or anything. 
I'm going to give myself some 

927
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,520
time to practice a little bit 
more reasonably. 

928
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,960
You know, like my sister is 
emphasizing, you know, bringing 

929
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,400
your, your base training up and 
all that stuff. 

930
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,080
And so I think that's a goal for
next year. 

931
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,800
And I'd run multiple half 
marathons. 

932
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,840
I mean, I hadn't trained very 
well for the marathon and I I've

933
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,880
only run two now, but I had at 
least done several half 

934
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,760
marathons before that. 
So it's not like I was 

935
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,640
completely in the dark. 
You. 

936
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,720
Know I, I I I think that's 
you're absolutely right. 

937
00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:00,360
I think having that mental 
preparation of what you're 

938
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,840
getting into is is huge. 
Like, I had no idea what to 

939
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,560
expect. 
That's why I think I was a lot 

940
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,080
more nervous at the beginning. 
I didn't know what I was going 

941
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,600
to get myself into. 
I had done 5 keys, which back 

942
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,240
then five KS, you know, seemed 
like, you know a reasonable 

943
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:20,240
thing to do. 
And now the 5K is sort of like a

944
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,680
warm up before you do a 
marathon. 

945
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,760
And so it's a totally different 
world I'm diving into here. 

946
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,000
And I'm, I'm so glad that I, you
know, I have my sister who is, 

947
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:34,080
you know, leading the way in 
that sense, my little sister. 

948
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,520
So I'm, I'm, I. 
And I do have a new phone 

949
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,080
appreciation lady. 
I have to say, you know, when 

950
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,640
you're a spectator in the 
marathon and you see somebody go

951
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,560
by pretty fast, you know, you 
can say, oh, you know, I could 

952
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,880
run that fast. 
But then when you have to do it 

953
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,680
for, you know, hours and hours, 
you know, then you go, OK, well,

954
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,560
that that's that's a different 
animal right here. 

955
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,120
I think I asked you to speed up 
during the marathon. 

956
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,480
When you walk, you know when you
kind of go slow with me and you 

957
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,960
know that taste that you would 
normally have And that was like 

958
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,960
my mind was kind of blown. 
Oh wow. 

959
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:10,400
No, I mean it. 
It does. 

960
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,440
Everything. 
Comes with training, though, 

961
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,040
right? 
You know, you don't wake up and 

962
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,440
run fast. 
It takes time to do that and to 

963
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,520
piggyback on what Ryan was 
saying, running this marathon 

964
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,040
with you. 
I have done so many marathons 

965
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,200
and the ones where I try really 
hard, they, they are the most 

966
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,040
painful ones. 
I have yet to have a marathon 

967
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,560
where I didn't have or I before 
Rome, I didn't have a marathon 

968
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,120
where I was thinking where is 
the finish? 

969
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,960
At some point during the race 
with Rome, though, I could have 

970
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,880
kept running for hours. 
And it's my favorite marathon 

971
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,920
ever because of you, Ryan, the 
company, the city and how 

972
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,680
gorgeous it was. 
It was fun. 

973
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:52,760
It was the perfect weather. 
It was, it was great. 

974
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,280
We, you know, it was just, All 
in all, you know, a great race 

975
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,880
and we're glad that you got to 
do that as your first. 

976
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,720
And so now, hopefully, you will 
travel the world running 

977
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:05,360
marathons and incorporate 
running more into your 

978
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,480
lifestyle. 
I can see how this becomes a 

979
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,040
lifestyle. 
I, I I can see how people you 

980
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,520
know travel the world in 
different places with with 

981
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,520
marathons. 
I'm not sure if that's my end 

982
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,480
goal. 
I I think I I I have to see. 

983
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,680
I wanna I, I again, I'm, I'm a 
beginner. 

984
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,720
I wanna see the progress and if 
you put some time into it, you 

985
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,880
know what you get out of it. 
But I can see how it's 

986
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,320
addicting. 
I can definitely see how with 

987
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,880
the right mindset, with the 
right expectation that this 

988
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,600
becomes absolutely addicting. 
I can. 

989
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,280
I can see it. 
All right. 

990
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,920
Well, thank you, Stephen. 
Thank you for having me on the 

991
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,440
newbie. 
Right. 

992
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,520
So that was a great conversation
with Stephen Ryan. 

993
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,160
Any last words? 
Would you run Rome again? 

994
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,200
Yeah, I think so. 
I actually really enjoyed it, 

995
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,400
like at a slow, slower pace to 
we, especially at the latter 

996
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,840
half, we got to stop and look at
stuff and so that was kind of 

997
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,640
neat. 
Yeah. 

998
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:08,920
And like we heard from Steven, 
he wants to do this annually 

999
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,560
until he dies. 
So, you know, we might be back 

1000
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,280
there next year again. 
So thank you if you guys are 

1001
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,120
still here listening. 
We really appreciate your 

1002
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,600
support. 
Let us know if there's anything 

1003
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,640
that you want us to talk about 
in the upcoming episodes. 

1004
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,560
We're always willing and able to
find experts on whatever it is 

1005
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,480
that interests you for marathon 
training. 

1006
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,160
And if you see us on the 
racecourse, yell at us and say 

1007
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,040
hi, 'cause I love it. 
Yes, and we would love to take a

1008
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,320
picture with you. 
Well, me. 

1009
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,360
Yeah, you too. 
Yeah, well, I mean, I wouldn't 

1010
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,200
mind, but you'd probably rather 
have a picture with her. 

1011
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:46,360
OK, anyway, until next week. 
Have a good week of running. 

1012
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,640
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1013
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,560
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