1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,360 You're listening to episode 283 of the Marathon Running Podcast. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,320 In this episode, we're going to do a recap of the Chicago 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,200 Marathon. This is the Marathon Running 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:13,360 Podcast with Letty and Ryan. Join us for weekly content on 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,200 all things running and let us take you from the starting line 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:28,360 to the finish line and beyond. Hey runners, and welcome to 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,080 episode 283. My name is Letty, my name is 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,160 Ryan, and we are back with a race recap. 9 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:36,120 But this time, Ryan, we are doing a completely different 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,160 race recap than we are used to. How's that? 11 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,800 We're not going to talk about my Chicago Marathon experience, but 12 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,360 instead I invited the female American winner Natasha Rogers 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,320 to come onto my podcast and talk about her Chicago Marathon 14 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,520 experience. We got to say a little bit about 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,440 your experience. We can, but let's save that for 16 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,200 after her interview, OK? So Are you ready to hear from 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:00,760 Natasha? Let's get into it. 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,640 All right, so without any further ado, we're now going to 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,160 play our conversation with Natasha Rogers. 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,240 All right, so we are here and very thrilled to welcome Natasha 21 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,240 Rogers, who just ran Chicago, finishing in a personal best of 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,800 two hours, 23 minutes and 28 seconds, coming in as top 23 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,160 American. Natasha, thank you so much for 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,200 joining me today. Yes, thank you for having me. 25 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,480 And I'm so excited to do a race recap. 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,600 But before we hop into all of that, your name is newer in the 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,040 marathon world. It's spelled Natasha with AO. 28 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,080 That's that's how everyone can find you. 29 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:41,440 But maybe tell us a little bit about your journey and how you 30 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,080 came to running, what distances you came from, what marathon 31 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:50,720 this was for you and how you came to to explode 2 days ago. 32 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,000 Yeah, it's been a long time coming. 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:00,080 Like a lot in the works. It's been a couple years of 34 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,080 development for the specific distance of the marathon, but 35 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,080 before that I was a speedster on the track. 36 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:13,160 Well, the long distance events on the track and definitely like 37 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:17,840 wanted to see that through. That's where my heart has always 38 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,640 been. But yeah, I'm 34 now, and I 39 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:27,200 started getting kind of tugged and pulled to to the marathon 40 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,320 direction, which I'm thankful for. 41 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:36,200 Puma and Alistair and Amy Craig actually really started warming 42 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,800 me up to the idea of the marathon. 43 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:44,640 Maybe a little too soon to debut at the Olympic trials, but yeah, 44 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:50,360 so it's my third. Chicago was my third and to get 45 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:56,560 a get an all American honor out of that and play 6 that my first 46 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,920 world major is like super surreal and special. 47 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,720 Yeah, no, absolutely amazing. Again, huge congratulations. 48 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,960 So your debut race was the Olympic Trials, meaning that you 49 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,080 had a fast half marathon time qualifier. 50 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,000 What was that number? I think only at the time, 51 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,880 because I was such track focused, like I wasn't doing any 52 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,400 marathon work. It was, yeah. 53 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:27,960 So I had just squeaked by with like a 1/2 not too far away from 54 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,320 the Olympic trials in Boston. I don't remember the time. 55 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,080 It was just like barely under what it what what I needed to 56 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,880 get or like just a little bit something 69 something. 57 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,560 Yeah. I definitely know my PRS though. 58 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,400 So your PRS? What are your PRS? 59 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:58,200 So marathon to 2328 of half is Oh my God I can't remember 68 60 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:07,240 mid like higher mid. Sorry, marathon brain, but it's 61 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,080 definitely not like where my potential is at. 62 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:15,920 I, I know I can run in the 60 sevens and I want to go after 63 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,360 the American record in the half. So I just have some some work to 64 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,720 do, some refining. I haven't really had a chance to 65 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:29,720 do that. 14525K and then 3048. Sorry for the 10K. 66 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,920 There we go. Wow, it's such a fast pace. 67 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,560 So then you made your way over to the marathon and maybe 68 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,240 enlighten us how does that work normally? 69 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,800 Because you're saying you're 34, you should be doing marathons. 70 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,880 Is that kind of how it works that people from the track move 71 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,880 on and over to the marathon at some point? 72 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:55,160 Yeah, you definitely like have to hit it where where your prime 73 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,880 is. And I think women in their 30s 74 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,640 and even late 30s are the best in the marathon. 75 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,200 That's where you have enough development behind you 76 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:11,320 experience wisdom. It's it's not like a light 77 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,040 hearted thing. It's it's a very serious thing. 78 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,920 It's hard on your health even like it's you got to be pretty 79 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:26,360 like grown up for this event. Although I think we'll see a lot 80 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,720 of like more youthful marathoners. 81 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,720 It's kind of a trend right now. I think that might be happening. 82 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:36,640 But yeah, it's time for me. I think there's a lot more 83 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,960 incentive in it and not so much on the track. 84 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,360 Like it's just how it goes. Like there's a lot more 85 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,200 incentive and the road racing and marathon scene. 86 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:51,440 Yeah, marathons have been exploding, especially since 87 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,240 2020. We've been following it, you 88 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,400 know, with all the world majors. So hopefully we'll see your name 89 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,240 a lot more. So maybe we can hop into who are 90 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,960 your training partners? Where do you live? 91 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,840 And, and I remember you mentioning during the press 92 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:08,480 conference that you kind of do stuff in a lone wolf manner, 93 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,920 like you train by yourself. But tell us maybe a little bit 94 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,600 more about your training and all that. 95 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,840 Yeah, so I do prefer training alone. 96 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,240 I'm just a very free spirit and like, running is my passion. 97 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,680 It's not just like, I mean, it is my job too, you know. 98 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:33,800 But I they always say like it's hard when your passion is your 99 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:38,200 job sometimes because it like takes away from the passionate 100 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,760 side of it at times. And the way I keep true to 101 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,280 myself and my love for running is really taking things at my 102 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:52,720 own pace, doing it my own way and just kind of like, it's like 103 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:58,440 my time for like spirituality and just like, like feeling 104 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,920 alive. And so I, I've had a lot of 105 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,760 success with doing all the work by myself. 106 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:11,040 And like, occasionally I do, I'll jump in with somebody and 107 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,080 that'll like, that'll give me a good like wake up. 108 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,320 And I, I want to do more of that too. 109 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,240 But I really had to find myself in the marathon stuff. 110 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,680 So it was good to just step away and like learn how to do that 111 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,720 for myself and have a good relationship with running. 112 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,240 And how has that transition been? 113 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,880 Because I'm imagining as a track runner you did a lot of running 114 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,440 on the track before, but now with the marathon, do you still 115 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,920 run loops and loops and loops on the track? 116 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,960 Laps, sorry, not loops, laps and laps and lefts on the track. 117 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,520 Or do you leave the tracks? Sorry, ESL. 118 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,720 I actually have abandoned the track recently. 119 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,360 Like I just, it's with the longer stuff you really want to 120 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,200 be on like those beautiful long roads or like at least a good 121 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,760 Rd. loop. It's way too monotonous on the 122 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,400 track. You don't really need that 123 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,520 measurement, you know, anymore with the marathon stuff. 124 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:18,320 And I'm, I kind of like to do a lot of work on the treadmill. 125 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,640 So if I'm doing like a faster, shorter Rep day, I, I will 126 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,080 likely choose the treadmill just to make my life easier. 127 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,440 Maybe I'm a little lazy with that, but yeah, I haven't been 128 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,080 on the track much. Yeah, yeah. 129 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,080 And where do you live? Do you live in a good climate 130 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,880 that helped you prep for Chicago? 131 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,240 Now, So yeah, I do I I moved back to Denver, which is my 132 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:51,920 hometown, and I've been all around before this. 133 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:58,160 My life has been a bit chaotic, but being back home, especially 134 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,000 for this whole build, has been incredible. 135 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,000 This is truly heaven, Colorado. It's a runner's heaven. 136 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,760 Sorry about that. It's a runner's heaven here. 137 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,800 And yeah, I'm just, I'm really happy to be back. 138 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,920 That's very awesome. I'm super happy that to hear 139 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,120 that your your build for this marathon went well and maybe you 140 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,600 can now walk us a little bit about the Chicago Marathon 141 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,360 weekend through your perspective. 142 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,920 For example, when did you arrive, where did you stay, and 143 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,320 what were you doing leading up to this race on Sunday morning? 144 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:43,080 So stayed at the host hotel, the Hilton, which is insane. 145 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,840 These world major marathon weekends are so crazy. 146 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,880 And I'm, I'm an introvert, so I get my energy like just being 147 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,920 alone. So it's a lot for me. 148 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,160 And like, I can, I have an alter ego, I can turn it on and handle 149 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:06,000 it, but it's hard not to feel like slightly drained going into 150 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,120 the race. And so I'm glad I was able to 151 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,480 just keep my head on straight handle it. 152 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:18,720 And yeah, I just, I went in with like kind of letting go while 153 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,040 still having trust and faith and confidence in my training and 154 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,560 what what's meant for me and not really attaching to any 155 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:30,400 outcomes, but just knowing that I gave it my all and will give 156 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,680 it my all. And so I felt pretty Zen going 157 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:40,320 into minus the insane amount of people that were there in that 158 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,120 hotel. And it's only probably going to 159 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,600 get worse for you because next year people are going to 160 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,880 recognize you even more. And you know, you have to deal 161 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,120 with a bunch of photo OPS and everything, including myself, 162 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,840 but. I feel not for Connor Manns, he 163 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,960 like that guy, can't go anywhere. 164 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,360 Everyone was stopping him. I know, I know he's, he's in 165 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,920 pretty good spirits. So at least he he shows it that 166 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,560 side. But yeah, I mean, I only saw him 167 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,480 a little bit in the media centre and even there it was insane. 168 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,280 I can't imagine walking down the street and then having to to be 169 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,000 him. That would be, yeah, same. 170 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,720 I ran the whole race with Matthew Sentowitz and he same 171 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,920 thing with him. More people were definitely 172 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,600 cheering for him than me. But I got a lot of chairs as 173 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,640 well. Chicago was amazing with that. 174 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,880 But it was funny running next to him. 175 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,960 Let me let me backtrack. You just mentioned that you 176 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,720 didn't have any outcome attached goals. 177 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,400 You have no A goals, B goals or stretch goals at all. 178 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,840 And how do you deal with that mentally? 179 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,080 Because as you know, you never know how you're going to feel on 180 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:57,480 race day. Yeah, I think that like I'm not 181 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:03,440 so much like analytical or like needing to write ABC, you know, 182 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,880 like that's, that's just not really how my brain works. 183 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,680 I think that I know what I want and I go, I base it more off of 184 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:15,280 like an intuition. Like I intuitively knew that 185 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:21,360 this was going to happen, that I would like, I just had a strong 186 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,320 feeling to pick Chicago because I had a sense that I would be 187 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,120 I'd have an opportunity to be top American. 188 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:34,720 And so that was just the goal that the ultimate goal. 189 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:43,080 And I guess my BCD goals were just whatever I could get out of 190 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,520 myself if that did not happen, you know, And there was a very 191 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,240 good chance, like, I found out Dakota was going a much more 192 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,000 aggressive pace the day before the race. 193 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,400 And I let her go. Like, I was like, you know, I I 194 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,400 gotta run my race. So great for her if if she 195 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,680 pulled that off. And much respect for her going 196 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:07,440 for it too, 'cause my training said I could run around that 197 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,360 time, like, faster. But you just never know. 198 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,000 Yeah. With all the variables of the 199 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,200 marathon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 200 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,160 And I gotta imagine that's gonna be hard. 201 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,640 I know you guys have a strategical meeting before the 202 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,560 race and you're being told who the Pacers are and what they're 203 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:25,440 going to run. Can you maybe tell us a little 204 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:31,600 bit about that? Yeah, basically they're they're 205 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,360 so good about it that you just make it very clear up front, 206 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,800 like this is the pace I want and they'll they'll get the guys to 207 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,320 do it. And we had, my group had two 208 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,560 male Pacers and they did a phenomenal job. 209 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,880 It's super nice to just be able to turn your brain off, 210 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,800 especially for me. Like I, yeah, I do a lot of work 211 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,600 on the treadmill. I love to turn my brain off. 212 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,720 So if someone's going to pace me, great. 213 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,520 Like it'll help me for making bad mistakes in my race. 214 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,200 And so Chicago is great about that. 215 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,120 And that's one of the reasons why I chose this this one to do. 216 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,320 So if you're an athlete, for example, you're going out on a 217 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,520 pace and then you decide that you feel super amazing and you 218 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,480 want to take off, then you just take off from the rest of the 219 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,120 group and leave the Pacers behind. 220 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,240 Is that how that works? Or does the pacer go with you? 221 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,720 Like do you tell them hey at 30 Ki want to take off? 222 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:39,320 Well, I, I didn't, I wasn't taking risks like that. 223 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,720 There was a point in time where I knew I was going to drop the 224 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:49,080 other girls 'cause it took me about until 1819. 225 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,120 I can't really remember, it was all a blur at this point. 226 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,680 But I, it took me around that long to finally catch up to 227 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,720 Dakota. And then she hung on with me for 228 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,840 a really long time. And one other girl. 229 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,360 And so there was a time where I kind of wanted to drop the pace 230 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:15,240 just to like like make sure it was going to happen, but I 231 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,520 didn't. I just I tried to stay as even, 232 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,800 which is what the Pacers job is to do. 233 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,400 And they took us all the way through the end of the race, 234 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,520 which is so lucky. And yeah, so I just I didn't get 235 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,600 ahead of myself. I just stayed to the even pace 236 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,960 or like tried to. We were even slowing down a 237 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,960 little bit. Yeah, yeah. 238 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,440 So in in a post and that kind of goes along with it. 239 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,040 In a post interview, you mentioned something about that 240 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,120 everything happens in good or bad waves and I thought that was 241 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,120 kind of inspirational. Can you maybe tell our listeners 242 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,520 about that again? Yeah, I mean, the marathon is 243 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,720 such a like, perfect metaphor for life. 244 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:08,320 I feel like like you will, it's such a long journey, the build 245 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:13,120 and then the race itself and you're going to hit bad waves 246 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,920 and that's a that's a guarantee. And so you have to be well 247 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:23,600 practiced at handling that and knowing that, yes, a good wave 248 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,840 will come like you, you're going to get better at riding the 249 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:32,840 waves out because it is just funny, like each mile or like if 250 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,920 you hit a fluid station and you like took some gel, like you're 251 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,520 going to hit a bad wave because it's your body is doing stuff. 252 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:48,240 And like, you just have to mind our matter mentally ride it out, 253 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,520 hold it. And then suddenly you'll be 254 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:52,920 like, OK, I'm actually all right. 255 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,320 Like this is you kind of have to tell yourself this is easy. 256 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,520 This is just a jog, I kept telling myself that. 257 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,320 Just an easy run to the finish line. 258 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,599 Just kind of lying to myself, you know, because it helps. 259 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,280 I mean, that's I found that really, I found that really 260 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,400 interesting and I always try to find little Nuggets in in 261 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,240 conversation. I'm very curious about when 262 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,680 you're running these marathons. Obviously it's not as long as 263 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,240 hours, but you know, two hours. What goes on in your mind the 264 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,800 whole time? Do you have you're not listening 265 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,480 to music, so you don't have that going. 266 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,480 But what is your crutch? What do you think about? 267 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,040 Do you have times where you decide, OK, now it's time to 268 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:33,360 check in with myself. What? 269 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:34,480 Tell me what's going on in there. 270 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,360 So basically it's a lot of positivity. 271 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,520 Like there is no space for negative talk in my brain. 272 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:50,120 Like then it's over. Like you really got to avoid 273 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:53,040 that because I mean, in the back of your head, it's there. 274 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:58,640 Like you can't deny that this is kind of miserable and really 275 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,360 hard. And like you're going to have 276 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:03,760 the doubts. You're going to question if you 277 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,080 can do it, if you can hang on the group. 278 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:12,200 There were two times where I almost slipped from the group. 279 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,040 And thankfully, one of the male Pacers like, kind of like 280 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,040 adjusted his pace while the other one kept it and he kind of 281 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:25,760 like pulled me back up. And it's just being like kind of 282 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,280 forgiving to yourself. Like it's OK to have those 283 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:34,160 moments and kind of like separate yourself from that and 284 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:41,240 like gear it towards more of a positive direction again. 285 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:48,560 And yeah, looking up, reminding myself to have gratitude that 286 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,560 that's really helpful. Like, oh, wait, I'm running a 287 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,680 marathon through every single burb of Chicago. 288 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,960 That's like, so cool. Like just remembering the good 289 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:03,640 pieces so that your brain doesn't attach to like the 290 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,880 little negative things you know? Yeah, yeah. 291 00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:10,800 How about the fact that, you know, it's televised and you 292 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,320 mentioned you're an introvert and you know that the cameras 293 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,680 are on you. Does that pressure make it 294 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:24,280 better or worse? So I I really am an introvert. 295 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,080 That just means I get my energy for myself. 296 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,240 But it, I'm totally capable of being an extrovert and I can 297 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:35,960 swing pretty hard because of the alter ego thing, but like, I can 298 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:42,240 become very outgoing and like, I like to share this with people 299 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,400 and it just makes the experience so much more worth it and 300 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:50,040 beautiful. And yeah, I, I'm cut out for 301 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:55,640 that as well. But I, I do just have to like 302 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,440 remember that my energy, like I have to kind of go back into 303 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:05,160 myself after all of it and. Go to the the place where I get 304 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,440 my energy. Perfect. 305 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,040 Perfectly explained. All right, so then at what point 306 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,800 did you know that you're going to be the first American woman 307 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,680 to cross the finish line at Chicago? 308 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:24,600 I think like with 10K to go, yeah or yeah, 10K to go, which 309 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:31,480 is still a long ways 6 miles, but I kind of knew that I had it 310 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:36,200 in the bag and tried not to get too excited about it. 311 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,320 Like like I said before, like I didn't try to like speed up my 312 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,560 pace or anything too much. Just tried to hold it. 313 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,760 But yeah, I, I did a couple look backs throughout those last 6 314 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:54,400 miles just to make sure. But I kind of wish that I just 315 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,920 trekked on and like tried to hold my pace a little bit better 316 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,520 than I did because I I fell off there a little bit. 317 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,880 That probably would have been different if you knew someone 318 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,920 was right behind you, right? You would have just. 319 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,360 Yeah, I don't know if I would have gotten like super anxious 320 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:13,280 or what, because it is kind of scary. 321 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,680 It's like, oh God, they're coming, you know? 322 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:23,160 But yeah, I it's always, you run faster when you're, you know, 323 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,280 neck and neck, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 324 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,280 We were talking to Marcel Hugu, as you know, won the wheelchair 325 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,520 again. And this time he had minutes in 326 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,880 between him and other people. And he said, you know, he kind 327 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,360 of did the same thing, just relaxed more into the pace and 328 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:39,800 maybe he could have gone faster because I guess you don't have 329 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,880 that pressure. But then, OK, so Fast forward, 330 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,920 you are going up Mount Rosemont, which is, you know, what they 331 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,280 call the hill. How did that feel? 332 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:55,880 Oh, at the end there, yeah, it it definitely made things 333 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,680 harder, but it wasn't that bad. Like I have a lot of hills where 334 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,240 I live, so it it didn't really seem like that crazy, but it 335 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:10,920 just I was already it was already hard to maintain pace. 336 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,160 Definitely a grind there and then that. 337 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,000 That was just the cherry on top. Yes, because then you get to 338 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,120 turn and it goes slightly downhill and you see the finish 339 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:23,600 line. Walk us through that. 340 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,080 What were your thoughts and your emotions right after that 341 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,760 happened? Yeah, once I saw the finish 342 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,560 line, it was like, oh, I should have like started kicking 343 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,920 earlier. So I'll know that next time with 344 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:42,960 the with the Chicago course. But like I definitely had some 345 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,960 more to give and I was happy that I for once wasn't vomiting 346 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,200 down the home stretch because that's been an issue that I've 347 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,800 been having and that was not happening. 348 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:02,800 And I had sorry about that. I had a little bit of a better 349 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,280 photo finish situation and a moment where I could just kind 350 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,760 of enjoy it. Although there was this one guy 351 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,480 who like him and I were kind of neck and neck to the finish and 352 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,880 he took a really hard fall right in front of me. 353 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:21,480 So that was kind of chaotic. I hope he's OK. 354 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,280 Oh, wow. Oh, wow. 355 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,880 That's like, yeah, I mean, I guess the there's still some men 356 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,440 finishing, some elite men finishing at your pace. 357 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:32,560 OK, so you crossed the finish line. 358 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,800 Who was the first one to congratulate you? 359 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,120 I think I, it was like I got funneled to the photographers 360 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,160 and then like, for some reason they pulled me right to a tent 361 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,240 where I had to like sit inside a tent. 362 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,400 So that's pretty typical though. Like you don't really get like 363 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,800 to have a minute to take it in. I wish I had just said like, 364 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,520 hold on, I'm kicking myself for not like making the effort to go 365 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,320 say good job to Dakota and the other girls and I wish I had 366 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,880 that moment with them. And I will make sure that that 367 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,080 happens next time, next marathon. 368 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,880 Yeah, yeah. That's crazy that it was to be 369 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,960 way so quickly. I was picturing, I mean, I 370 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,400 didn't watch it yet, but you know, you're walking around with 371 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,920 the, with the, with the flag, you know, a little bit, a little 372 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,600 bit of that. I know. 373 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,720 Yeah, I know. I didn't get to have that 374 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,520 moment. That would have been nice. 375 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,880 But at least you got to break the tape, right? 376 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,160 Yeah, but at. A minimum. 377 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,160 I'll take it. Yes, yes, yes. 378 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,160 And then so wonderful. So then, you know, I'm assuming 379 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,280 you took a shower, you were at the press conference. 380 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,160 How did you celebrate your remainder of time in Chicago and 381 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:53,400 how are you feeling now? I, it was still a lot after the 382 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,240 race, but I got to my parents surprised me being there and 383 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,080 that was just like, I'm so happy they got to witness how 384 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,120 beautiful the marathon is. Like despite the outcome, even 385 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:07,120 watching all the people come in, like I was so proud of them. 386 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:13,880 And then I was supposed to go to this Blues jazz show that I 387 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,560 bought tickets for 'cause I was like, that's so Chicago. 388 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,400 Like what a great way to celebrate. 389 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,920 But I was a zombie and was not feeling very good. 390 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,120 Like I had to go to bed. I don't, I couldn't have made it 391 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,760 through the night. So I just got some Mexican and 392 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,080 then went to bed. Flew back yesterday and now I'm 393 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,520 just trying to get my legs to get down the stairs. 394 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:45,040 Right now I'm really sore. I mean, it's your PR by how many 395 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,880 minutes? It was actually only like by 396 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:55,160 like 30 ish seconds so I should have PR like I should have been 397 00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:01,080 in 222 range. But yeah I need some tweaking 398 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,120 and perfecting to do. I'm really itching to do another 399 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:07,160 marathon. Like I wish I could do one soon 400 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,240 but. OK, so then we don't know what's 401 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,000 next for you yet, but we're gonna stay tuned and hopefully 402 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,240 we will see you at the other majors, right? 403 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,160 Yes, Yep, I will be there. I don't know which one yet next, 404 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,160 but definitely one next year. Perfect, perfect. 405 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,520 Thank you for having me. Thank you so much for coming on, 406 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,240 Natasha. And then also for anyone that is 407 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,240 interested, I know that you told me you also coach. 408 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,920 Maybe you can elaborate a little bit about what type of runners 409 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,240 you coach and where the audience can find you if they're 410 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,320 interested in something like that. 411 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,680 Yes, I do some very like personalized online coaching 412 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,240 through final surge and you can you can just shoot me Adm on 413 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,040 Instagram. Typically I just, I've gotten 414 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:03,640 word of mouth for quite a while, but yeah, I coach all, all 415 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,200 ranges in the distance events. So like anything from 5K up to 416 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,040 the marathon. And I like to accumulate all of 417 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,760 my knowledge that I've gotten from several, several pro elite 418 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,920 coaches throughout my life and with a little bit of my own 419 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,840 personal touch. And yeah, I'd love to take on a 420 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,280 few more, so just find me on Instagram. 421 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,040 And you're coaching anyone, any runner? 422 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,320 Is this for any runner or are are you looking for people with 423 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,480 a certain speed in mind? No, any runner, yeah, I get a 424 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,160 lot of I, I get a lot back from just other people's running 425 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:46,800 goals no matter what they are. And so, yeah, all, all talent 426 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,720 ranges I'm I'm fine with. Perfect. 427 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:57,360 Thank you so much. All right. 428 00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:00,240 Thank you, Natasha, for coming on to my show and speaking with 429 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,680 me. I was very excited to speak with 430 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,240 you. You're very inspiring and we 431 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,040 wish you the best for the future. 432 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,840 Yeah, thank you so much for your insight. 433 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,240 Always good to hear from the top runners to see what they're 434 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,040 doing. Exactly. 435 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,000 Especially when they're humble and kind like that. 436 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,120 So lady, let's talk about your marathon experience. 437 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,800 All right, so my marathon experience was a little bit 438 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,240 different, Ryan. I, as you know, have raced 439 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,280 probably 60 to 70 marathons and I have all intentions to looking 440 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,480 through that metal box and counting out how many there are. 441 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,760 But I had my first DNF. You did. 442 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,560 And if you don't know what DNF is, it means a do not or did not 443 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,080 finish. Why didn't you finish? 444 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,680 Exactly, that's what I keep asking myself as well. 445 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,120 But I think here is my theory and obviously this is something 446 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,760 I'm still processing a little bit. 447 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,240 I'm not mad about it because obviously there's a lot of worse 448 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,840 things that can happen to you in your life. 449 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,080 But I did not finish the marathon because I had set out 450 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,560 to run a certain pace. I knew that I was probably going 451 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,040 to be able to hit something around 3:20. 452 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,360 And when I was running the marathon, I had a fall right 453 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,840 around mile 14 ish. Long story short, there was a 454 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,520 spectator crossing. I slowed down and since I was in 455 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,880 the crowd, I'd started in Corral D, The person behind me hit my 456 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,680 shoe from with his shoe from underneath. 457 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,800 I fell over. He tumbled on top of me and 458 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,280 somebody else as well. Everybody else got up and 459 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,240 started running again. They asked me if I was OK, and I 460 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,120 was like, yes, go, go. But then I myself just kind of 461 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,640 sat there for a minute and then I called you. 462 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,040 We did. And. 463 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,440 I said are you OK? And he said yes, and I said it 464 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,040 didn't go run. Well, the thing was when I had 465 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,680 that fall, I, I had been so hyper focused and in this 466 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,320 running zone that all I saw was this little tunnel vision with 467 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,520 the blue line and I was in control of everything. 468 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,000 And when that happened, it just almost slapped me in the face 469 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,280 and snapped me out of it. I wasn't even hurt, but I was so 470 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,240 snapped out of it that all of a sudden nothing made sense 471 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,400 anymore. It's almost like when you're 472 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,240 sleeping and somebody turns on loud music and turns on the 473 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,680 light. I was just sitting there like I 474 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:08,320 don't even know and I wanted to run it but I thought I could not 475 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,360 get back into my zone so instead I called you. 476 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,480 Yeah. And then I could kind of tell it 477 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,760 was more of an emotional alley than a physical alley, which is 478 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,680 OK, there's nothing wrong with that. 479 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,560 But then you said go run. And then I called Ron, my coach, 480 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,480 and he said run. And so then I was thinking, man, 481 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,000 now I'm just sitting here with these minutes and minutes that 482 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,640 have passed when I was trying to hit a goal and I didn't want, 483 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,280 and this sounds bad, but I didn't want to hit something 484 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,040 close to 3:30. I wanted to have something 485 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,480 faster. And so then, since I couldn't 486 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,920 have it, I didn't want it at all. 487 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,080 You weren't following your own rule of enjoying the marathon 488 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,560 and instead you were just focused on a time. 489 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,920 Yeah, so there goes that. But that's OK. 490 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,000 There's no harm in that. Yes, and actually my brother 491 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,920 whom I talked to also, I told him about this and he said why 492 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,520 don't you get somebody on that's a sports psychologist and make 493 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,280 an episode out of it? So silver lining, you know, you 494 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,720 learn something. I know next time I'm just going 495 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,160 to like pull a John career, which if you guys know, he fell 496 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,040 during the Boston Marathon, got back up, picked up his bib that 497 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,520 had come off and ended up winning it. 498 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,800 So next time I'm just going to be a little bit tougher. 499 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,360 I think that's the thing, it's hard. 500 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,520 I think when you fall, like you said, it gets you out of your 501 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,720 zone. But the amount of time that 502 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,000 you're sitting there feels like eternity. 503 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,200 But it's really not. And if you just got up and went 504 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,080 like you could maybe, you know, look at your splits and say, OK, 505 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,000 look, I spent 2 minutes extra on that split. 506 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,520 If I took those two minutes off my time, that's what my time 507 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,520 would have been. And you could have still gotten 508 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,520 a really good time and been happy with it. 509 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,280 It's just sometimes you got to get going again and then after a 510 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,400 while you might slowly get back into it. 511 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,720 But you didn't give it enough time. 512 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,120 That's OK. It's not. 513 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,040 Yeah. And so then, so then I got off 514 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,760 the the road and everyone was just looking at me and I did the 515 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,200 walk of shame, which is a different walk of shame than the 516 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,360 walk of shame in college. You actually, Oh my gosh, walk 517 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:09,120 back to the race start. And by the time I walked over 518 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,040 there, I think the male heads, the male elite feel head was 519 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,560 just about to finish. I had just finished. 520 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,920 And so then, you know, they everything is gated and they 521 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,960 looked at me like, did you finish your marathon? 522 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,760 And I ended up taking off the bib because people just looked 523 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,560 at me funny because I'm walking around with this bib and I felt 524 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,760 embarrassed. And then I spent the whole rest 525 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,200 of the day looking at people's medals and thinking, why didn't 526 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,600 I just get up and run? Yep, but live and learn. 527 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,880 So moving on from that topic, we'll learn or don't. 528 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,920 Learn it just depends on what you want I guess. 529 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,760 Now you know what it feels like not to finish. 530 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,800 So next time if you fall you can be like I can either not finish 531 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,000 or I can finish. And it could depend on obviously 532 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,160 if you're hurt or not, but. Exactly, so we'll see how next 533 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,400 time goes. Hopefully I will never have a 534 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,600 DNF again unless I'm actually injured, not emotionally. 535 00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,920 So, Eddie, what's in store for us? 536 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:03,240 So in store for us is we are still not done with all the fall 537 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,000 races if you're looking at the world major marathons because on 538 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,280 November 2nd, there will be the New York City Marathon. 539 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,720 I'm going to be there. I'm going to be at the finish 540 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,560 line interviewing athletes. So if you want to do a quick 541 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,320 interview or if you don't mind doing a quick interview with me, 542 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,680 send me a message, send me a bib number, and that way I can track 543 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,240 you and do a quick interview after this amazing epic race. 544 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,560 And alongside with that, next week, this coming Monday, we're 545 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,880 going to have an episode about everything you need to know 546 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,160 about the New York City Marathon coming out. 547 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,160 Just like we did last year, we tried to update it with the 548 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,080 elite field, etcetera, and maybe put some more tidbits of 549 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,720 knowledge on there. We're also putting a race course 550 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,880 preview onto our YouTube channel as well as the episode itself. 551 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,000 So make sure that you check that out. 552 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,840 So what's after the New York City Marathon? 553 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,960 I'm glad you asked, Ryan. Right after the New York City 554 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,680 Marathon, I'm actually flying out to attend the International 555 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,240 Running Show, which takes place in Amsterdam. 556 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,680 We're going to be on site there creating content for the 557 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,000 organizers of this Expo. So I'm going to play you a quick 558 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,440 clip with one of the organizers of this Expo, so you know what 559 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,239 you can expect there. All right, so we are also very 560 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,280 excited to share that we're going to be at the International 561 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,679 Running Expo taking place in Amsterdam. 562 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,719 And to let you guys know a little bit more about this Expo, 563 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,000 who is to attend and what it's all about, I have Sophie on 564 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,280 here. Sophie, thank you so much for 565 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,639 joining me briefly. Sorry, thanks for having me. 566 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,800 Can you tell our listeners a little bit about this Expo, what 567 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,480 this Expo does and for whom, and also who is invited to attend 568 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,880 this Expo? Yeah, of course. 569 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,480 The International Running Expo is a launch event which takes 570 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,920 place on the 4th and 5th of November at the Roy Amsterdam. 571 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,040 It's Europe's first business to business trade show and it 572 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,320 focuses specifically on the running sector. 573 00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:59,760 So our exhibitors span all different categories of running. 574 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,840 So from apparel, accessories, footwear, technology, injury 575 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,160 prevention and recovery. So there'll be thousands of 576 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,520 products on the show floor for buyers to come and test and 577 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,200 trial and hopefully purchase for their stores. 578 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,360 So the visitor audience is your kind of running retail stores. 579 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:25,000 So independent specialty retail and also multiple retailers and 580 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,400 wholesalers and distributors who are looking to purchase products 581 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,840 to sell on to consumers and athletes are also a huge part of 582 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,680 the business ecosystem for running. 583 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,000 So that's also a key audience for us. 584 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,800 So if you're an athlete looking for brand deals or sponsorship 585 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,360 or you want to work with new brands, then International 586 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,720 Running Expert is a great place to have those conversations. 587 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,760 And industry professionals, whether you're kind of sport, 588 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,680 marketing agencies, race organisers and race directors 589 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,320 and also manufacturers, if you want to come have a look at the 590 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,000 event to kind of inquire about exhibiting for next year. 591 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,840 So yeah, it's very focused on business to business trade. 592 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,440 Perfect. And then are there any 593 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,880 activations around that time in Amsterdam? 594 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,480 Yeah, of course, Yeah. The content programme is 595 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,400 completely packed. So we have within the 596 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,920 exhibition, we've got our mainstage, which is the podium 597 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:23,720 and that has two days of content. 598 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:28,680 So we will have retailers speaking, athletes like Scott 599 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,880 Durack and kind of loads of trends forecast things around 600 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,120 kind of the running industry and how to kind of future proof your 601 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,040 business moving forward. Alongside the exhibition, we 602 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,720 have morning shake out runs. So one of our key sponsors, CEP 603 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:49,760 is organizing a run for athletes to test and trial the new 604 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,320 products that they're releasing. And then we also have the 605 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,000 Amsterdam scavenger hunt, which is a really, really cool idea of 606 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,920 where you have to find your way to four locations throughout 607 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,080 Amsterdam. So it's a bit of sightseeing as 608 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,240 well as testing products. So we've got mountain to coast 609 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:12,200 trainers for people to try. We've got nutrition from Amax, 610 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:17,080 we've got apparel by Utopia. And so there's loads of, yeah, 611 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,800 different products to try on that run. 612 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,320 We also have an ice bath, immersion sessions, breath work 613 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,520 sessions, recovery yoga. And of course, on Tuesday 614 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,560 evening, we have a really, really cool party, which is 615 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,920 called the Cooldown party, which will take place at a venue 616 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,640 nearby. And that's really for kind of 617 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,920 like a fun networking evening, live music, drinks, food, to 618 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,680 kind of bring everyone together and celebrate the running 619 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,080 industry. Sounds like an amazing event. 620 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,680 We're very happy to be part of it. 621 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,560 Thank you so much, Sophie. Thank you. 622 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,160 All right, so now that you heard it, hopefully if you are from 623 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,640 Europe, if you are in the vicinities of Amsterdam and you 624 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,240 want to go there as an athlete, you can go onto their websites 625 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,120 and snatch yourself some tickets. 626 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,440 Also, as you heard, there's going to be a lot of activations 627 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,200 around it. If there are any shakeout runs, 628 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,360 make sure that you can also attend because it sounds super 629 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,200 fun. It does, so I hope everyone has 630 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,720 a good New York City Marathon. And with that. 631 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,360 Have a good week of running. Thanks for tuning in. 632 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,360 For more information, go to www.marathonrunningpodcast.com 633 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,640 or check us out on all. Channels.