1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,800 You're listening to episode 172 of the Marathon Running Podcast. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,119 In this episode, we're going to talk about 5 running books to 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:18,360 put on your reading list. This is the Marathon Running 4 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,920 podcast by Letty and Ryan from We Got The Runs. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,240 Join us in our running community for weekly content that is 6 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:27,320 motivational, educational and inspirational. 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,000 And let the Marathon running podcast take you from the 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,560 starting line to the finish line and beyond. 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,720 Hey runners and welcome to episode 172. 10 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,400 My name is Letty. My name is Ryan and this is the 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,360 third time we're recording this because I keep messing up the 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,810 intro. Yes, and I just had to sit here 13 00:00:50,810 --> 00:00:53,810 and laugh. Yes, So we are Ryan and Letty. 14 00:00:53,810 --> 00:00:56,970 Like we said, we do weekly marathon running podcast where 15 00:00:56,970 --> 00:00:58,650 we talk about all things running. 16 00:00:59,010 --> 00:01:03,090 We bring you coaches, we bring you nutrition experts, we bring 17 00:01:03,090 --> 00:01:06,570 you all sorts of things. And today we decided that it was 18 00:01:06,850 --> 00:01:10,850 time after three years to update our reading list. 19 00:01:11,250 --> 00:01:13,170 Neither. Ryan and I are avid readers. 20 00:01:13,450 --> 00:01:16,250 Speak for yourself. I avidly read my phone. 21 00:01:17,490 --> 00:01:20,450 We do read a lot. I read a lot for work, and I do 22 00:01:20,450 --> 00:01:23,330 listen to a lot of audiobooks. Now, I'm not one of the people 23 00:01:23,330 --> 00:01:27,210 that say listening to audiobooks qualifies as reading, even 24 00:01:27,210 --> 00:01:29,690 though I still get the same content. 25 00:01:29,930 --> 00:01:31,770 I mean, I think if it's the same content, it doesn't really 26 00:01:31,770 --> 00:01:33,690 matter. I mean, it's like, wait, you're 27 00:01:33,690 --> 00:01:37,930 the one who gave me a hard time about saying that I read 50 28 00:01:37,930 --> 00:01:40,840 books when I listen to them via audio? 29 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,160 Yeah, well, you can't claim a certain number of books read 30 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,680 when all you're doing is listening to them. 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,400 That's different. You're saying you gather the 32 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,080 same information, and I agree that the same information can be 33 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,600 gathered whether or not you listen to it through an audio 34 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,320 book, or look at stuff online, or read actual books. 35 00:01:59,860 --> 00:02:02,580 But you can't claim you've read a bunch of books when you just 36 00:02:02,580 --> 00:02:05,100 listen to audio books, cuz half the time you fall asleep too, I 37 00:02:05,100 --> 00:02:06,140 think. And Dr. Well guess what? 38 00:02:06,380 --> 00:02:09,740 I'm still an avid reader because we have young children that we 39 00:02:09,740 --> 00:02:12,340 read books. Seuss doesn't count. 40 00:02:13,700 --> 00:02:17,060 There are books, so if I count all the children's books I read, 41 00:02:17,620 --> 00:02:19,860 I am probably close to 1000 a year. 42 00:02:20,700 --> 00:02:25,140 You're the turtle, Yes. Anyway, so so. 43 00:02:25,420 --> 00:02:28,260 What do you mean by updating your reading book list? 44 00:02:28,780 --> 00:02:32,060 Well, I'm glad you asked. So I talked to Liz and Allen 45 00:02:32,060 --> 00:02:34,700 from Running Book Reviews. That's the Instagram handle. 46 00:02:34,700 --> 00:02:37,380 They do book reviews and they are also currently training for 47 00:02:37,380 --> 00:02:40,140 a sub three hour marathon. So along with that, their 48 00:02:40,140 --> 00:02:45,380 current readings include these specific five books that I also 49 00:02:45,380 --> 00:02:49,260 found would be helpful for all listeners currently training for 50 00:02:49,260 --> 00:02:53,620 a marathon, because they include mental training books, nutrition 51 00:02:53,620 --> 00:02:58,100 books, marathon plan books, strength chaining books, and so 52 00:02:58,100 --> 00:03:00,700 on. Plus, it's nice to always update 53 00:03:00,700 --> 00:03:03,540 the list a little bit. I mean, if someone has read the 54 00:03:03,540 --> 00:03:07,820 books that you had on there, you know, mix it up a bit, yes. 55 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:10,780 So I will link all these books in the show notes. 56 00:03:11,220 --> 00:03:15,860 So that way you guys, if you're enticed to read them, you can 57 00:03:16,060 --> 00:03:19,380 purchase them and I'll make it easy for you guys to find them. 58 00:03:19,860 --> 00:03:22,540 When's the last time you talked about running books or running 59 00:03:22,540 --> 00:03:26,130 book reviews? Oh, Ryan, I think that was three 60 00:03:26,130 --> 00:03:31,330 years ago in the early days of the podcast, so it's time for an 61 00:03:31,330 --> 00:03:33,330 update. But you've had a lot of authors 62 00:03:33,330 --> 00:03:35,490 on your podcast too, right? Yes, yes. 63 00:03:35,490 --> 00:03:38,450 So I a full episode of running book reviews was a really long 64 00:03:38,450 --> 00:03:40,970 time ago. But then I also found some 65 00:03:40,970 --> 00:03:45,210 running books and contacted the authors to see if they would be 66 00:03:45,210 --> 00:03:48,130 available to come on. So we do frequently have authors 67 00:03:48,130 --> 00:03:49,650 on. A lot of the time it's running 68 00:03:49,650 --> 00:03:53,130 coaches to that, right, Running books to help their athletes. 69 00:03:53,130 --> 00:03:56,170 So I always find very helpful and interesting and as you know, 70 00:03:56,170 --> 00:03:59,090 I love psychology and mental training books. 71 00:03:59,210 --> 00:04:01,530 There's definitely a big psychological factor to running 72 00:04:01,530 --> 00:04:05,010 a marathon. 90% is mental. Not if you haven't trained. 73 00:04:06,610 --> 00:04:09,810 So anyway, Are you ready to hop into my conversation with Alan 74 00:04:09,810 --> 00:04:10,450 and Liz? Let's. 75 00:04:11,090 --> 00:04:12,010 Do it. All right. 76 00:04:12,010 --> 00:04:15,090 So without any further ado, here is the conversation with Alan 77 00:04:15,090 --> 00:04:20,470 and Liz. All right, so I'm on here with 78 00:04:20,470 --> 00:04:22,630 Liz and Allen from Running Book Reviews. 79 00:04:22,750 --> 00:04:26,430 Can you please let me know who you are and how you started 80 00:04:26,430 --> 00:04:30,380 reviewing books? Well, so there's two of us. 81 00:04:30,380 --> 00:04:33,860 I'm Liz and I'm with my cohost, Alan. 82 00:04:33,940 --> 00:04:37,940 And so we're training partners. So that's we know each other 83 00:04:38,100 --> 00:04:40,140 from training. We're both part of the same 84 00:04:40,140 --> 00:04:44,060 club. And we we discovered that we 85 00:04:44,060 --> 00:04:47,780 both really like to read in particular books about running 86 00:04:47,780 --> 00:04:51,900 because we really like to like learn more things that will help 87 00:04:51,900 --> 00:04:56,260 us with our running. And the pandemic hit Alan 88 00:04:56,260 --> 00:04:59,090 retired from his. From his corporate job. 89 00:04:59,090 --> 00:05:02,850 And so we decided to start this podcast. 90 00:05:03,650 --> 00:05:05,290 Yeah. One of the advantages is that 91 00:05:05,610 --> 00:05:07,370 we're actually both similar speeds. 92 00:05:07,370 --> 00:05:10,170 We're not very similar ages. So we have different 93 00:05:10,170 --> 00:05:13,730 perspectives on things, but we're similar speed. 94 00:05:13,730 --> 00:05:15,370 So we spend a lot of time running together. 95 00:05:15,370 --> 00:05:17,450 So you know you run out of subjects. 96 00:05:17,810 --> 00:05:21,770 So then it's all I read a good book lately and now it's OK. 97 00:05:21,770 --> 00:05:23,250 So we're reading this book. Where are you? 98 00:05:23,250 --> 00:05:25,930 I'm up to and. Yeah, it keeps the conversation 99 00:05:25,930 --> 00:05:28,570 going while the agony goes on in the training. 100 00:05:28,890 --> 00:05:31,090 Yeah, it's kind of a competition at this point, too. 101 00:05:31,090 --> 00:05:34,610 It's like, it's like Alan expects me to always be ahead, 102 00:05:34,610 --> 00:05:38,530 which means that, like, I have to make sure that I, I start the 103 00:05:38,530 --> 00:05:42,370 book before he does. Yeah, that's awesome. 104 00:05:42,410 --> 00:05:46,250 And so how did you decide to start a podcast about books? 105 00:05:47,730 --> 00:05:52,670 Yeah, well, it was basically. We stumbled in our conversations 106 00:05:52,670 --> 00:05:54,350 on the fact that we're both book nerds. 107 00:05:54,350 --> 00:05:58,470 We're we're both into learning about the thing that we love, 108 00:05:58,470 --> 00:05:59,870 that we're passionate about doing. 109 00:06:00,630 --> 00:06:03,510 We're both into trying to learn a bit more about it and be 110 00:06:03,510 --> 00:06:08,830 inspired by other people. So we found we had actually a 111 00:06:08,830 --> 00:06:10,390 little running library in common. 112 00:06:10,630 --> 00:06:14,790 So we just because because I was retired, I said, hey, how about 113 00:06:14,790 --> 00:06:18,000 we start a podcast? Because that I thought that'd be 114 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,280 a good retirement project. And that was three years ago. 115 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,320 And we thought, also thought, oh, we're going to run out of 116 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,160 running books to review. So let's pace ourselves. 117 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,880 We'll try for one every two weeks, about two a month, but 118 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,560 we'll probably run out of books. Well, three years later, we've 119 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,680 probably got more books in a in our reading pile than we've ever 120 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,040 had. Some people seem to be able to 121 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,880 write books quicker than we can read them. 122 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,960 You know, we're talking about you, Matt Fitzgerald. 123 00:06:43,790 --> 00:06:46,790 That's awesome. So yeah, so we brought you on 124 00:06:46,790 --> 00:06:49,710 because we. Well, to be honest, I don't read 125 00:06:49,710 --> 00:06:52,870 as much as I should. And I feel like most of us don't 126 00:06:52,870 --> 00:06:55,270 read as much as we should. And it's not just the benefit 127 00:06:55,270 --> 00:06:57,070 of, you know, the training books. 128 00:06:57,070 --> 00:06:59,110 There's so many different books when it comes to running. 129 00:06:59,110 --> 00:07:02,870 As you as you guys learned, you opened a whole can of worms when 130 00:07:02,870 --> 00:07:04,470 you said you're gonna run out of books. 131 00:07:04,470 --> 00:07:06,510 There's books on nutrition, There's books on mental 132 00:07:06,510 --> 00:07:08,430 training. There's always something new. 133 00:07:08,830 --> 00:07:12,740 And so for that reason, I wanted to have you guys talk about your 134 00:07:12,740 --> 00:07:16,540 five favorite books at the time. I know this is something that is 135 00:07:16,540 --> 00:07:19,460 not stagnant. It'll always change and evolve, 136 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:23,540 But we want to bring five books to our listeners and we're going 137 00:07:23,540 --> 00:07:25,580 to talk about the type of book they are. 138 00:07:25,580 --> 00:07:28,620 So training book or nutrition book, whatever they are, the 139 00:07:28,620 --> 00:07:32,380 title, author, credential, synopsis, and then some other 140 00:07:32,380 --> 00:07:34,180 stuff like strength and weaknesses. 141 00:07:34,180 --> 00:07:37,220 So maybe we can hop right into the first book. 142 00:07:38,750 --> 00:07:42,150 So I guess before we even start, I'll just mention that, you 143 00:07:42,150 --> 00:07:44,590 know, it like it's hard to pick favorites. 144 00:07:44,590 --> 00:07:48,430 Like we can't really say we have favorites because it really sort 145 00:07:48,430 --> 00:07:54,470 of depends on, I guess, where we're at in what we need. 146 00:07:54,630 --> 00:07:57,230 Like, so sometimes, you know, you need inspiration, so you 147 00:07:57,230 --> 00:08:02,150 might want to read a biography. Sometimes you just want, you 148 00:08:02,150 --> 00:08:06,230 know, some funny infographics and there's actually books with 149 00:08:06,230 --> 00:08:08,670 that. Or sometimes you know you want. 150 00:08:08,750 --> 00:08:11,550 To you want a training book because you're getting ready for 151 00:08:11,550 --> 00:08:13,710 your next like phase of training. 152 00:08:13,790 --> 00:08:17,270 So this what we did with the five books is we decided to pick 153 00:08:17,270 --> 00:08:20,230 like the five books we're kind of currently using because we're 154 00:08:20,230 --> 00:08:23,590 training for a sub three hour marathon which is coming up in 155 00:08:23,590 --> 00:08:27,710 like 5 weeks, 4 weeks at this point, 5 weeks, let's say it's 156 00:08:27,710 --> 00:08:31,950 five weeks, it's October 1st. So so yeah. 157 00:08:31,950 --> 00:08:35,990 So this this list of five favorites, it's like not really 158 00:08:35,990 --> 00:08:37,470 a list of. It's a list of. 159 00:08:37,950 --> 00:08:42,309 Of current most used books. Yeah, yeah. 160 00:08:42,309 --> 00:08:45,830 We've kind of collaborated to come up with a list and things, 161 00:08:45,870 --> 00:08:50,270 things that are front and Center for us now in our goal to run a 162 00:08:50,270 --> 00:08:53,510 sub three hour marathon and just on you know, your favorites. 163 00:08:53,750 --> 00:08:56,870 What I always say when people ask me that question is books 164 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:58,950 are like my children. You can't have favorites. 165 00:08:58,950 --> 00:09:00,950 You love them all for different reasons. 166 00:09:02,420 --> 00:09:04,580 I love that quote and I love even more that you're both 167 00:09:04,580 --> 00:09:08,300 collectively running a sub three hour marathon. 168 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:10,700 I think that's awesome. And I think the timing couldn't 169 00:09:10,700 --> 00:09:14,540 be any better because most runners are ramping up for fall 170 00:09:14,540 --> 00:09:16,500 marathons. We have Berlin and Chicago and 171 00:09:16,500 --> 00:09:18,660 those are just alone. Those are two big ones. 172 00:09:18,660 --> 00:09:21,380 So. Yeah, I'm just around the 173 00:09:21,380 --> 00:09:23,660 corner. So I guess like. 174 00:09:24,630 --> 00:09:26,710 It's kind of in a in a pyramid order. 175 00:09:26,830 --> 00:09:30,790 So the base of the pyramid I thought run like a pro, even if 176 00:09:30,790 --> 00:09:35,190 you're slow, by Matt Fitzgerald and Ben Rosario, because we love 177 00:09:35,190 --> 00:09:38,150 the idea that the pros are just like the rest of us and that we 178 00:09:38,150 --> 00:09:41,630 can actually just apply some of the things that they're doing in 179 00:09:41,630 --> 00:09:44,590 their training to get fitter and race better. 180 00:09:44,830 --> 00:09:47,670 And the book talks about like a wide variety of topics. 181 00:09:48,270 --> 00:09:52,630 And after each kind of chapter, Ben Rosario who's like a coat, 182 00:09:52,630 --> 00:09:56,670 the coach of the Hokka Nasli team in the US, he gives like a 183 00:09:56,990 --> 00:10:01,430 kind of like a coaches coaches tips kind of thing at the end of 184 00:10:01,470 --> 00:10:04,590 each each section. So that's kind of a. 185 00:10:05,550 --> 00:10:07,190 Good. Yeah, Matt's a fantastic. 186 00:10:07,190 --> 00:10:10,030 Matt Fitzgerald is a fantastic author, and he's kind of the 187 00:10:10,030 --> 00:10:13,910 pioneer of 8020, which everybody's kind of heard of in 188 00:10:13,910 --> 00:10:18,370 terms of training methodology. And he just before this, he 189 00:10:18,370 --> 00:10:21,570 wrote another book called Running the Dream where he went 190 00:10:21,570 --> 00:10:25,130 and trained as a professional and and wrote about what it was 191 00:10:25,130 --> 00:10:27,930 like to train as a professional when you're just a mere mortal. 192 00:10:28,370 --> 00:10:33,690 And he decided with the coach that took him on at Nas Elite, 193 00:10:33,890 --> 00:10:36,570 he would write a second book saying, well, how do you go 194 00:10:36,570 --> 00:10:39,730 about it then Not everybody gets to live my experience. 195 00:10:40,490 --> 00:10:43,370 So let me talk you through what I've learned and what to do. 196 00:10:44,410 --> 00:10:48,130 So it makes for great reading, It's great storytelling as well 197 00:10:48,130 --> 00:10:51,490 as superb information and and a lot of variation in the 198 00:10:51,490 --> 00:10:55,130 training, which is kind of if you're getting bored with 199 00:10:55,130 --> 00:10:57,650 training or you're finding it routine. 200 00:10:57,810 --> 00:11:01,410 There's a lot of change ups in the training and done by people 201 00:11:01,410 --> 00:11:03,610 who are training professional people. 202 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:07,720 So it's anymore about like a instructional book where they 203 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,960 tell you how you should approach it, something that you follow 204 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,840 along as your trainer. Is it more tips for running or 205 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,920 techniques? Yeah, I would say it reads. 206 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,320 It reads very well. So it's not really like a follow 207 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,360 along book. I would say it's got sections 208 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,320 and you can sort of dive into the sections as you need them 209 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,880 because you know they'll be like they talk about pacing. 210 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,800 Why is why is pacing important and actually that elite runners 211 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,480 are much better Pacers than we are. 212 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:44,200 So you know, they talk about things like that and they do go 213 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,200 into like well how can you be a better pacer? 214 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,640 And then in the coaches tips, there's. 215 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,880 There's, you know, sort of like workouts you can try and 216 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,160 incorporate in order to to to become better at pacing. 217 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,920 But I would say that there are training plans in the back, so 218 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,080 you can use it as a training book as well. 219 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,880 But that's not the book that we decided to follow in terms of 220 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,240 the marathon training plan that we chose. 221 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,860 Okay. Probably that's a good segue, 222 00:12:16,860 --> 00:12:20,420 and we could move on to the book that contains the training plan 223 00:12:20,420 --> 00:12:26,740 that we actually followed that a good idea is, which is Advanced 224 00:12:26,740 --> 00:12:30,540 Marathoning by Pete Fitzinger and Scott Douglas. 225 00:12:32,540 --> 00:12:36,460 We figured we'd done enough marathons to sort of merit 226 00:12:36,460 --> 00:12:39,100 opening a book that said advanced on the front of it. 227 00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:43,660 Advanced marathoning. So we said oh you know, with 228 00:12:43,660 --> 00:12:46,580 nervousness, let's open this book and let's go for it because 229 00:12:46,580 --> 00:12:48,300 we're really with a three hour marathon. 230 00:12:48,300 --> 00:12:50,140 We're reaching for the edge of our envelope. 231 00:12:50,460 --> 00:12:53,660 This is we. We think Liz and I both think 232 00:12:53,660 --> 00:12:56,780 that this is sort of the on the edge of what we could achieve. 233 00:12:56,780 --> 00:13:02,140 So let's reach for the best that we can do, and let's look for 234 00:13:02,140 --> 00:13:07,860 the kind of most rigorous training program that we can be 235 00:13:07,860 --> 00:13:11,570 able to take on and swallow. Well, there's several mileage 236 00:13:11,570 --> 00:13:15,050 differences that you can take different shorter mileage, 237 00:13:15,690 --> 00:13:18,730 medium we're doing the medium mileage, even the shorter 238 00:13:18,730 --> 00:13:22,090 mileage is quite a quite a bit, so you can't come in as a 239 00:13:22,090 --> 00:13:25,570 beginner. And then there are different 240 00:13:25,570 --> 00:13:27,530 week lengths of weeks of programs. 241 00:13:27,930 --> 00:13:31,570 Well, depending on where you're starting from, if you're already 242 00:13:31,810 --> 00:13:34,770 fully trend, you can start with a shorter program, or you think 243 00:13:34,770 --> 00:13:38,690 you might get exhausted, you can start with a shorter program. 244 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,800 And basically, it's tried and tested from people who are 245 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:49,280 really, really good coaches and understand what their training 246 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:54,800 is doing to you. All right, So with this book, is 247 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,840 that something that would be too late for other fall marathoners 248 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,080 to pick up now? Is that a book that's you should 249 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,320 definitely read prior to starting a new training cycle, 250 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,280 or is it something? Yeah, I think it would be a new 251 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,480 training cycle because the shortest plan is 12 weeks and 252 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:16,520 because they're all quite high mileage, like I think you really 253 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,840 can't have a can't do it for shorter than 12 weeks. 254 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:27,320 I don't think, because I think the lowest mileage plans there's 255 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:35,620 a section under 55 miles. But then after that it's. 55 to 256 00:14:36,020 --> 00:14:41,020 70 and then 70 to 88 anyway. And then there's one even above 257 00:14:41,020 --> 00:14:43,940 that. So, so there's a quite a bit of 258 00:14:44,020 --> 00:14:47,500 mileage and the workouts are quite advanced as we found out, 259 00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:50,420 because not only do you have our long run, you also have 260 00:14:50,420 --> 00:14:51,940 something that we never did before. 261 00:14:51,940 --> 00:14:54,980 It's a medium long run. So one other time during the 262 00:14:54,980 --> 00:14:57,740 week you're running kind of long but not as long as your long 263 00:14:57,740 --> 00:14:59,260 run. So it's like it's quite time 264 00:14:59,260 --> 00:15:02,760 consuming you really. Have to dedicate yourself to 265 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,400 this one. And I think that you know, you 266 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,720 know, if you try a training plan, doesn't matter which one 267 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,880 it is, whether it's this advanced one or whether it's the 268 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,680 Hanson plan or whatever plan. I think that sometimes if you 269 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,360 fail the first time, it's not because you're going to continue 270 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,440 failing. I think that you know you, 271 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,480 you're not the same person. The second year you try it, In 272 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,320 the third year you try it and you are bitter because you had 273 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,080 that experience in the past. I think that's what we found. 274 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,760 And I think, I think part of the trick is also going to your 275 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,280 training program with the idea that you know you're going to 276 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,080 have fun doing the training and learn during the training and 277 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,560 and develop during the training. We talk about, you know, failing 278 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:45,800 our workouts and things like that. 279 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,960 But actually we don't. Mentally, we try not to use a 280 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,400 concept of failure. We always talk about, well, you 281 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,040 get 2 things. You have joy in the training 282 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,600 program and on marathon day you get one of two things. 283 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:02,300 You get success. Or you get learning. 284 00:16:03,700 --> 00:16:05,540 I like that a lot. That should be applied to 285 00:16:05,620 --> 00:16:12,100 anything in life, really. Are you looking for the perfect 286 00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:14,060 apparel that mirrors your love for running? 287 00:16:14,340 --> 00:16:18,100 Look no further than run Swag, the go to store by runners, 288 00:16:18,180 --> 00:16:21,540 forerunners from witty teas to hoodies that commemorate your 289 00:16:21,540 --> 00:16:25,220 Marathon Majors to crops that get you motivated, Run swags 290 00:16:25,220 --> 00:16:27,780 gotcha covered. Discover the perfect blend of 291 00:16:27,780 --> 00:16:33,290 comfort and style. Visit www.runswag.com runswag. 292 00:16:33,450 --> 00:16:39,250 There's something for every runner, so that's cool. 293 00:16:39,250 --> 00:16:42,330 So that's book #2, Advanced Marathon Training. 294 00:16:42,330 --> 00:16:45,010 So we got that book. So what is you guys's next book? 295 00:16:45,010 --> 00:16:49,360 What's book #3 for you guys? So #3 is also part of the 296 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,400 fundamentals. If you're going to do a really 297 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,560 hard marathon training program, you need to make sure that you 298 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,960 have good nutrition. And so we chose High Performance 299 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:04,000 Nutrition for Masters Athletes by Lauren Antonucci. 300 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:10,160 And Lauren defines the masters is is an athlete over the age of 301 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,480 35. So I mean, you're pretty young 302 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,160 when you are considered a master and. 303 00:17:16,589 --> 00:17:20,270 The the thing with this book, so she's a she's a registered 304 00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:24,069 dietitian and she works with athletes. 305 00:17:25,190 --> 00:17:30,150 So like the book is full of really good information and it's 306 00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:33,550 a wide range of information, but she goes through all the macro 307 00:17:33,550 --> 00:17:35,550 nutrients and why they're important for your training. 308 00:17:35,550 --> 00:17:37,790 So like why are carbohydrates important? 309 00:17:37,790 --> 00:17:41,830 Why is getting enough important? Why is protein important for 310 00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:46,440 masters athletes? And also she, she kind of 311 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:54,600 touches on each of the like I'm going to say fad diets because, 312 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,440 you know, it's these these diets that come in and out of 313 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:03,680 popularity, for example, like the ketogenic diet and you know, 314 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,600 all these different diets. And she, you know, she kind of 315 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,880 says like. She goes into the research and 316 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,480 what it does or doesn't show. And in most of these cases, The 317 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,480 thing is, the research is not done on athletes. 318 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,320 Athletes really do need all of the macro nutrients. 319 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,000 Like we we need good fats as much as we need protein. 320 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,800 And we definitely need, because we're endurance athletes, lots 321 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,120 and lots and lots of carbohydrate, because that's 322 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:32,000 what we're burning. And she even goes into the 323 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:37,080 breakdown of how how much we actually burn because. 324 00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:40,500 I think that in the running space, we're under the 325 00:18:40,580 --> 00:18:44,740 impression that we, you know, like when you're running at a 326 00:18:44,740 --> 00:18:46,180 slow pace, you're just burning fat. 327 00:18:46,220 --> 00:18:48,300 When you're running fast, you're you're just burning 328 00:18:48,300 --> 00:18:49,900 carbohydrates or something like that. 329 00:18:49,900 --> 00:18:52,060 But it's actually a mix in every range. 330 00:18:52,300 --> 00:18:55,100 And even when you're running slow, let's say you're an ultra 331 00:18:55,100 --> 00:18:59,100 marathoner or you're just jogging, you're still burning. 332 00:18:59,140 --> 00:19:01,540 Half of your energy comes from carbohydrates, which is like 333 00:19:01,540 --> 00:19:03,820 surprising, right? That's not kind of the 334 00:19:03,820 --> 00:19:08,440 impression we get when we. Listen to people that have 335 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,720 switched over to like high fat diets because it helps, because 336 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,400 they think it's gonna help them burn fat. 337 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:19,280 So we really enjoyed this book. It really opened her eyes. 338 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,000 I think Liz is a nutrition nerd. So you can tell by the way she 339 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,840 talks she's she's right into this and I was sort of like what 340 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,080 is this nutrition thing? You you just, I'm sort of bit 341 00:19:30,120 --> 00:19:33,120 more generalist. I think my nutrition approach 342 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:35,360 that I tell people is eat all the food. 343 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,200 You've got you've got a fuel so eat all the stuff in front of 344 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:44,760 you and if you want some all eat some all so but but you know 345 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,600 I've gradually become less of a caveman regarding that sort of 346 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,320 stuff and and more nerdy like like Liz and one of the things I 347 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,600 I learned really well from this book was protein intake if 348 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,490 you're a if you're a. Training really hard and you got 349 00:20:01,490 --> 00:20:03,890 a hard program, you need to recover well and you're going to 350 00:20:03,890 --> 00:20:05,730 need some protein to help you recover well. 351 00:20:07,570 --> 00:20:11,290 And if you're a masters, particularly if you're an older 352 00:20:11,490 --> 00:20:13,730 masters, I'm almost a double masters. 353 00:20:13,970 --> 00:20:18,570 So you also are not absorbing your protein as well. 354 00:20:18,570 --> 00:20:22,650 And in your older years, so if you're training hard and you're 355 00:20:22,650 --> 00:20:25,490 older, you're going to need extra, extra protein. 356 00:20:26,030 --> 00:20:28,750 And in fact, one of the things I changed in my habits was I 357 00:20:28,750 --> 00:20:32,270 started bringing a protein shake to every workout and drinking it 358 00:20:32,270 --> 00:20:35,790 after each workout. And Liz was quite proud of me. 359 00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:41,590 She saw me changing my habits and developing better habits for 360 00:20:41,630 --> 00:20:43,390 for my nutrition. And I think that's the way to go 361 00:20:43,390 --> 00:20:45,830 as well. Make small changes and make them 362 00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:48,530 stick. Don't make big changes. 363 00:20:48,770 --> 00:20:52,730 One of the things Lauren taught us was in fact a lot of the a 364 00:20:52,970 --> 00:20:57,410 lot of the fad things are not that well researched with 365 00:20:57,410 --> 00:21:00,330 respect to athletes. You know, you get a generally 366 00:21:00,330 --> 00:21:04,610 accepted truth that I don't know, beetroot is good, is good 367 00:21:04,610 --> 00:21:07,690 for you because those certain things. 368 00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:11,170 But in fact when you look at the studies, the studies are usually 369 00:21:11,370 --> 00:21:14,730 like not that extensive. The one thing I learned was 370 00:21:14,730 --> 00:21:17,340 caffeine works. Caffeine's legal and caffeine 371 00:21:17,340 --> 00:21:20,140 works and there are heaps and heaps of studies that prove that 372 00:21:20,140 --> 00:21:23,660 it works and it's it's categorically correct now, but a 373 00:21:23,660 --> 00:21:27,380 lot of the other things, they kind of may work sometimes in 374 00:21:27,380 --> 00:21:31,020 certain situations with certain populations and it's it's much 375 00:21:31,020 --> 00:21:36,700 more equivocal. The other thing with Lawrence 376 00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:40,300 Book was there are lots and lots of examples of really good 377 00:21:40,300 --> 00:21:43,340 athletes. So the case studies about, you 378 00:21:43,340 --> 00:21:46,430 know, getting Ryan Hall sticking a mic in his face and saying, 379 00:21:46,670 --> 00:21:50,470 OK, what's your nutrition tips or what problems did you have so 380 00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:53,350 you can see all the sorts of difficulties and challenges that 381 00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:56,630 people have had. I like it. 382 00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:59,790 I like it, especially the examples of other athletes. 383 00:21:59,790 --> 00:22:03,030 And I absolutely love that you were bringing up the fad diets 384 00:22:03,030 --> 00:22:05,430 because my husband and I have that conversation all the time 385 00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:08,190 about this is a fat diet. How much does it really work? 386 00:22:08,190 --> 00:22:10,750 How many of these studies are actually done on athletes versus 387 00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:12,750 general population? So that's really cool. 388 00:22:13,710 --> 00:22:16,110 All right. Really good book. 389 00:22:16,430 --> 00:22:26,590 Yes. So book #4, we picked a mental 390 00:22:26,590 --> 00:22:31,030 training book, so Mental Training for Ultra Running by 391 00:22:31,070 --> 00:22:18,470 Addie Bracey. So we'll put that on the list 392 00:22:18,510 --> 00:22:20,990 and then let's move on to book number. 393 00:22:32,350 --> 00:22:35,750 So this book, I mean the titles, is ultra running, but really 394 00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:39,150 like mental training is good for anybody running any distance 395 00:22:39,670 --> 00:22:41,510 because she talks about a lot of. 396 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:47,560 A lot of important things like you know how to how to improve 397 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:52,000 your your consistency because you you know you know your why 398 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,640 in running like like why are you doing this and and your why 399 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,960 could be anything. It could be like, I think a lot 400 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,760 of people that start running in the adulthood, their why is 401 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,640 like, I want to lose weight. But eventually if you're going 402 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,440 to stick with running you need something else and it could be. 403 00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:16,470 Your why could be, I don't know, because you want to be healthy 404 00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:20,390 for your kids to see what they become later on or I don't know. 405 00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:22,670 It needs to be something personal to you and it can be 406 00:23:22,670 --> 00:23:25,470 anything. It's actually a really tough 407 00:23:25,470 --> 00:23:30,350 question I found out the thing that I D does really well in her 408 00:23:30,350 --> 00:23:34,070 book is she has exercises in every chapter. 409 00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:38,710 So you can you read all the theory and. 410 00:23:40,250 --> 00:23:43,290 And then you could do the exercises just sort of like see 411 00:23:43,290 --> 00:23:46,690 what that means for you. And she teaches you about like 412 00:23:46,690 --> 00:23:50,410 tolerating discomfort, so tricks about that. 413 00:23:50,410 --> 00:23:55,970 And she's actually, you know, researched in this space for a 414 00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:58,530 long time and she's an ultra runner herself. 415 00:23:58,530 --> 00:24:00,690 So she's done a lot of really hard things. 416 00:24:00,970 --> 00:24:05,810 So you know, she's definitely a good person to to be writing 417 00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:10,480 about that topic. Yeah, he's he's a fantastic 418 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,800 resource in terms of just breaking down things that maybe 419 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,760 you don't think about when you're running because you 420 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,760 you're concentrating on your training and maybe you don't 421 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,440 practice. And in fact this area I think is 422 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,160 1 where increasingly people are starting to get into it now and 423 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,560 say, look we've tended to take this for granted. 424 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,240 People say, oh, I'm not a real runner or I'm not confident with 425 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,020 respect to running. Well, actually you can change 426 00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:41,420 that if you want. There are ways, there are 427 00:24:41,420 --> 00:24:45,420 techniques for doing that. One thing that comes across 428 00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:51,260 straight away is self talk. Did you know that in 2017 there 429 00:24:51,260 --> 00:24:55,060 was a research? I think it was Holmquist did 430 00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:59,580 some research that came out with the fact that 77% of our 431 00:25:00,060 --> 00:25:02,140 thoughts about ourselves are negative. 432 00:25:03,140 --> 00:25:08,260 Oh wow, that's a lot. And and really the the the small 433 00:25:08,260 --> 00:25:12,780 solution is if you're saying something inside your head would 434 00:25:12,780 --> 00:25:15,660 you say that to your best friend about them Like if they had a 435 00:25:15,660 --> 00:25:19,500 bad workout would you say, well you suck you're you're you're 436 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:22,340 pretty hopeless. Well of course you wouldn't. 437 00:25:22,580 --> 00:25:24,580 You'd say you know you but you'd build them up. 438 00:25:24,820 --> 00:25:29,220 But you do you tend to do that mentally to yourself I'm. 439 00:25:29,220 --> 00:25:33,670 I'm a failure like I can't do it like the other people that goes 440 00:25:33,670 --> 00:25:37,150 on in your head and you can, you can actually address that. 441 00:25:37,150 --> 00:25:41,510 You can start to through exercises, change the way that 442 00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:46,590 you do that and it can have a very significant difference on 443 00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:49,830 how you might perform, particularly when the going gets 444 00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:52,430 tough or when you have a bad workout or those kinds of 445 00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:57,310 things. So and and what we sort of 446 00:25:57,310 --> 00:26:01,830 concluded was in fact, we do lots and lots of workouts 447 00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:04,350 physically, but we don't do many workouts mentally. 448 00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:09,070 Absolutely. And I love that you guys have, 449 00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:11,550 you know, not just the training books and nutrition books, but 450 00:26:11,550 --> 00:26:14,830 you can make coming full circle with these books and you include 451 00:26:14,830 --> 00:26:17,630 mental training especially the fact is you guys are training 452 00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:21,910 for a sub three hour marathon. That is crazy fast for really 453 00:26:21,910 --> 00:26:24,630 anyone. But then you're right, we're 454 00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:27,510 doing all this stuff to train our bodies, but what about our 455 00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:29,390 minds? And there's so many tricks you 456 00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:30,150 can do. I read SO. 457 00:26:30,270 --> 00:26:32,310 And where that you know, when you talk to yourself, you're 458 00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:35,710 supposed to say you for exactly that reason instead of I, 459 00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:38,230 because you're going to be kinder to anyone else. 460 00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:41,750 So I love this, and I put that on my list. 461 00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:43,470 Definitely can't wait to get that book. 462 00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:50,030 Okay #5. So for #5 we picked. 463 00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:54,670 So we picked a strength training book because obviously all of us 464 00:26:54,670 --> 00:26:56,750 runners should be doing strength training. 465 00:26:57,430 --> 00:27:02,050 So for a strength training book. That we've been following the 466 00:27:02,050 --> 00:27:07,050 plans from, I guess for the the first kind of half of the 467 00:27:07,050 --> 00:27:10,450 training was Jada Shari's running Rewired. 468 00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:14,770 But you know, I know like a lot of these books have strength 469 00:27:14,770 --> 00:27:18,410 training in them as well. I think a lot of training books 470 00:27:18,410 --> 00:27:21,130 now include that. So you know they'll have some 471 00:27:21,130 --> 00:27:27,170 kind of a routine and it's so I think that that Jada Cheri. 472 00:27:27,170 --> 00:27:31,610 So his strength is that he's he actually does work with runners 473 00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:35,110 in real life. And it's really a strength 474 00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:39,190 training book geared towards runners with exercises that will 475 00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:42,990 help runners. And the only thing that I would 476 00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:47,710 say with this book is that some of the plans the the amount of 477 00:27:47,710 --> 00:27:51,270 time you need to dedicate to strength training can be like 478 00:27:51,270 --> 00:27:53,510 significant. So you know the. 479 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,120 You know you're supposed to do like 2 to 3 workouts a week, but 480 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,520 the workouts like some of them take you know an hour so. 481 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,680 So you know you have to really be dedicated. 482 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:12,680 I like as much as this is. This is on our top five. 483 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,080 Like. I just want to also mention 484 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,380 that. You know, any strength training 485 00:28:17,380 --> 00:28:19,140 is better than no strength training. 486 00:28:19,220 --> 00:28:23,660 And so sometimes, you know if Jay Descheri's book says do 3 487 00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:30,340 rounds of like these exercises, if you do one round like it's OK 488 00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:33,020 because it's something as opposed to nothing. 489 00:28:33,660 --> 00:28:37,540 But we chose Jay Descheri because he's he's got, he's got 490 00:28:37,540 --> 00:28:41,580 good plans for he has kind of core. 491 00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:44,740 Core things. And then he has the actual 492 00:28:44,740 --> 00:28:50,060 strength training which which you can progress through because 493 00:28:50,060 --> 00:28:54,620 you have the the first strength and then you can also have some 494 00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:57,220 like he incorporates plyometrics. 495 00:28:57,540 --> 00:28:59,300 Yeah, and they're not. They're not general training 496 00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:01,740 programs. They're specifically orientated 497 00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:07,040 towards runners, so they're designed to strengthen what 498 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,640 runners need. The great thing about Jay 499 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,920 Descheri's book is that he explains everything beforehand. 500 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,280 So you get a whole series of discussions beforehand saying 501 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,240 look at your knee and look how it aligns with your toes. 502 00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:31,250 If it's off to the right, then you need to do these kind of 503 00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:33,450 exercises. If it's off to the left and you 504 00:29:33,450 --> 00:29:35,610 need to do these other kind of exercises. 505 00:29:35,890 --> 00:29:38,490 So you're going through like a little self diagnosis. 506 00:29:38,850 --> 00:29:41,650 And I learned all sorts of things about my body, like my 507 00:29:41,650 --> 00:29:44,890 right ankle doesn't flex as much as my left ankle. 508 00:29:44,890 --> 00:29:50,890 And that's why I have problems doing squats and my right knee 509 00:29:50,890 --> 00:29:54,120 doesn't align well with with my hip. 510 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,520 And that's why I have problems with soreness in my right knee 511 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,960 when I do lots and lots of running because my hip doesn't 512 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,440 relieve stress. And certainly you understand 513 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,120 your body better, so you go okay if I have that, what exercises 514 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,440 should I do to improve? And then suddenly you're you're 515 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,840 targeting. You know you've got you sort of 516 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,240 self coaching yourself in your strength training which is 517 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,930 fantastic if you can spend spend the time and effort to do that. 518 00:30:24,370 --> 00:30:27,250 Something that we do, do from a strength point of view is if we 519 00:30:27,250 --> 00:30:31,850 don't have time and we just want to we can't get to the gym and 520 00:30:31,850 --> 00:30:34,850 we just want to do a workout. We have a dumbbell workout 521 00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:41,810 that's an an author and and athlete called Nearly Spence 522 00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:46,690 Gracie taught taught us to do in her book Breakthrough Women's 523 00:30:46,690 --> 00:30:50,950 Running. Which that book, that book has a 524 00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:54,670 whole bunch of other things for women and also for men. 525 00:30:54,670 --> 00:30:59,910 I mean, a lot of it is about, you know, just just working 526 00:30:59,910 --> 00:31:02,870 towards breakthroughs. But because it's called 527 00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:05,550 breakthrough women, women's running, she goes into, you 528 00:31:05,550 --> 00:31:09,430 know, pregnancy, female hormones, how that affects 529 00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:11,630 training and those kinds of things. 530 00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:15,060 But she has a dumbbell routine. That's, you know, it doesn't 531 00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:18,540 take long and you could do one to three sets, but it's really 532 00:31:18,540 --> 00:31:22,340 even when we do three sets. I think it takes us maybe half 533 00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:25,540 an hour. Yeah, takes me and your husband 534 00:31:25,540 --> 00:31:29,020 slightly longer than half an hour because we talk in between 535 00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:32,700 a lot. That's awesome. 536 00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:35,860 So that's gonna be our bonus book that we're gonna add to the 537 00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:37,500 list. Thank you very much for that. 538 00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:40,880 And. Good luck for you to you guys on 539 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,280 your upcoming marathon. I hope everything goes well. 540 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,280 And which marathon are you guys running? 541 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,920 We're going to do the Petsy Trains Nova Marathon. 542 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,080 It's a it's it's a very small, like local race. 543 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,680 So, you know, we thought that we would take that approach because 544 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,200 we get to sleep around in our own beds and have a breakfast 545 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,480 that we're used to having. So I think like we're trying to. 546 00:32:07,060 --> 00:32:09,700 Trying to improve something every marathon training cycle 547 00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:14,300 because we've been trying to get this sub three hour marathon for 548 00:32:14,660 --> 00:32:20,300 for a while now and we think that that could give us the the 549 00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:22,660 edge we need. Or at least it'll give me the 550 00:32:22,660 --> 00:32:25,500 edge I need because Ellen's already done the three hours. 551 00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:28,300 Wow. And how close are you to to 552 00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:31,860 that? Goal three O 4 1/2. 553 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:33,780 That's amazing. That's amazing. 554 00:32:33,780 --> 00:32:36,260 I mean, to me that's the same as a three hour, if that makes you 555 00:32:36,260 --> 00:32:40,340 feel any better. Yeah, something about seeing 556 00:32:40,340 --> 00:32:42,540 that too. You know, I keep trying because 557 00:32:42,540 --> 00:32:44,460 I just want to see that too at the beginning. 558 00:32:45,060 --> 00:32:46,660 That's awesome. I know you can do it. 559 00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:49,540 You are equipped with the right books. 560 00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:52,100 Thank you guys so much. And please let our listeners 561 00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:55,380 know how they can find you guys on social media and as well as 562 00:32:55,380 --> 00:32:59,990 on in the Cod podcasting world. Yeah, well, you can find us on 563 00:32:59,990 --> 00:33:04,190 running book reviews. Basically our our podcast is 564 00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:10,710 called Running Book Reviews with Alan and Liz and I think our 565 00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:14,110 handles on Facebook and Instagram are running Book 566 00:33:14,110 --> 00:33:19,350 reviews and our handle on Twitter is Reviews under score 567 00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:22,070 Running. Thank you guys so much. 568 00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:24,390 You're welcome. Happy running. 569 00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:29,980 Thank you guys for speaking with me. 570 00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:33,100 Thank you so much for updating our reading list. 571 00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:38,380 As I said, we're linking all the books in our show notes and also 572 00:33:38,380 --> 00:33:39,980 on our website. Our website is 573 00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:44,980 www.marathonrunningpodcast.com and if you go to blogs I will 574 00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:48,500 try to post A blog that also lists all these running books 575 00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:51,380 for you guys. I think that was a good idea to 576 00:33:51,380 --> 00:33:54,820 update the books. Maybe we should do that more 577 00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:56,640 consistently. Definitely. 578 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,120 Especially around Christmas time when we are all trying to find 579 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,600 something for our favorite runners. 580 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,080 So. So what are we doing next week? 581 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,560 So next week we are going to talk to Carlos the Runner. 582 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,920 If you have not followed him on Instagram, do yourself a favor 583 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,199 and follow him because he's super hilarious. 584 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,000 He posts running memes and a super funny content. 585 00:34:19,429 --> 00:34:22,630 So we talk about him and his memes a little bit, but Carlos 586 00:34:22,630 --> 00:34:24,949 the runner is also a shoe expert. 587 00:34:25,150 --> 00:34:27,710 And you know, I've been looking for somebody to talk to about 588 00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:31,469 shoes for the last two years. So I hit the jackpot with that 589 00:34:31,469 --> 00:34:33,310 conversation. Ooh, I'm interested. 590 00:34:33,790 --> 00:34:35,670 All right. So without further ado. 591 00:34:36,190 --> 00:34:38,270 We are now gonna go on with our weekend and. 592 00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:43,230 With that. Have a great week of running. 593 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,960 Thanks for tuning in. For more information head to 594 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,880 www.runningpodcast.us and as always have a great week of 595 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:56,320 running.