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You're listening to episode 226 
of the Marathon Running Podcast.

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In this episode, we're going to 
do a race recap of the Tunnel 

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Light Marathon. 
This is the marathon Running 

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podcast by Letty and Ryan from 
We Got the Runs. 

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Hey runners, and welcome to 
episode 226. 

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My name is Letty. 
My name is Ryan. 

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And we are back today with one 
of my favorite styles or types 

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of episodes, which is the race 
recaps. 

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You love those race recaps. 
I really do. 

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Just like I love Expos. 
So we're going to hop all into 

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that. 
So we're going to talk about a 

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race that I did last weekend. 
On September 8th of 2024, I ran 

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the Tunnel Light Marathon. 
What was your time and was it 

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close to your predicted time 
that you thought? 

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It was better than my predicted,
I think. 

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I don't think we had a precise. 
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predicted you your time would be
what you thought you would get. 

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I thought I would get right 
around 3:30 and I got a 329 and 

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something 45. 
Yeah, so pretty much on point, 

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right? 
What's 15 seconds and 26 miles? 

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Yeah, that's true. 
So does the race live up to its 

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name? 
Yes, there was a light at the 

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end of the tunnel and we'll hop 
all into that. 

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How about you? 
Can you tell us about the race 

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or you want to go through the 
whole traditional recap like 

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traveling and everything? 
Yeah, let's do it. 

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Let's start with a little bit 
about the race, though. 

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I think you were on the right 
track here. 

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So where was this race? 
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North Bend, WA, Washington 
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Actually it's a point to point 
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So it was going from the 
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area, which is just a little bit
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of Seattle, but obviously 
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Have you been to that area 
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in Washington? 
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five years and while I lived 
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Snoqualmie, the Snoqualmie Pass 
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over to Eastern Washington. 
So I've I've been there a couple

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times. 
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from going snowboarding because,
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in the mountains. 
It hasn't snowed yet, but there 

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are all the ski lifts and all 
the other stuff that you enjoy 

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when you live in the state of 
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Could you see some of the ski 
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Yes. 
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but while you're driving to. 
The oh, OK, so can you tell us a

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little bit more about the 
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Yeah. 
So this is a point to point 

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race. 
I think I already said that, but

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it's on a downhill grade. 
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feet of elevation loss and I 
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2.2%. 
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brutally downhill and at some 
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really noticeable downhill, but 
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little bit assist while you're 
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The course of the race, the 
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guess in our case it wasn't as 
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because it's been pretty dry up 
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It's an old railroad. 
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Fire Rd. gravel, almost a little
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of rocks in the path. 
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can talk about that later, but 
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not listen to the full episode, 
1 of the biggest tips I have for

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this race is to not where your 
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Maybe go with something that 
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a little bit more traction. 
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in the wilderness a little bit, 
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like. 
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of like hydration stations or 
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think it was 10 hydration 
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up on that. 
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races, they had plenty of water.
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electrolytes, which in this case
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And I think they even had gels 
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But I, I think I missed that 
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But I mean, as you know, most 
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anyway, so I had plenty in my in
my pockets. 

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What about restrooms? 
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supposedly. 
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I didn't need to use them. 
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right? 
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there and if you had to go 
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going to go in someone's yard. 
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amongst us and the listeners, 
who hasn't gone in the woods, 

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right? 
I think I might prefer the woods

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to a dirty bathroom, but. 
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too, at the starting line of the
race, when I was too impatient 

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to wait in line, I just went in 
the woods and I met plenty of 

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people that were also in the 
woods. 

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Yeah. 
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downhill. 
Does that make it a fast course?

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Yes, it's actually rated at a BQ
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that out of all the 
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qualified for Boston at this 
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It's a smaller race. 
There were 831 people that ran 

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it this year. 
It was a good size though, so it

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never felt like super lonely. 
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much. 
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a BQ percentage for another 
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Yeah, I can compare it, for 
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very flat and fast course in the
United States. 

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The BQ percentage for that one 
last year was 19 1/2 percent. 

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Oh wow. 
So you know Chicago's flat. 

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This one is on a little bit of a
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I was actually thinking too, if 
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and you wanted one, you know, it
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Not this this one necessarily, 
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gradual downhill the whole 
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Because it does kind of doesn't 
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normal training, but it kind of 
gives you that extra little push

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I think. 
I I agree 100%. 

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So you mentioned before that you
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one, so can you comment on your 
training? 

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Yeah. 
So we had a really great summer 

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with the kids and something had 
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The training had to give. 
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weeks of a mileage higher than 
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I just looked that up on Strava 
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compare to my previous years. 
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marathon, I'm always over 60 
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1020 weeks. 
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training, I couldn't take 
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because, you know, it was more 
like, OK, how long am I going to

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be able to sustain the pace that
I'm going and when am I going to

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get fatigued? 
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the 2% grade downhill, I didn't 
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I probably would have felt if 
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OK, those are kind of the 
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because you hadn't done a 
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to detail it. 
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more traditional experience of 
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So talk about your trip to 
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met there. 
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get to this race is obviously 
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Tacoma. 
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in Seattle, so I was very 
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I travelled with my friend Patty
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currently are living, and she 
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trying to get a good time in her
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Also, we were planning on 
meeting up with our friend Wes 

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who is currently living in 
Boston, who was also meeting 

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other friends from Texas. 
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knew I was going to be able to 
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We left Florida on Friday and 
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we got to Seattle around noon. 
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exploring Pikes Place Market 
because party had never been and

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we also explored the waterfront 
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And I managed to meet up with 
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on that Friday prior to heading 
to our hotel to turn in for the 

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night And then, you know, get 
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would attend the Expo and just 
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All that stuff that you do 
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You said met up with one of your
friends. 

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You mean like one of your 
Washington friends when you used

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to live there or? 
Yes, yes, yes. 

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One of my friends that I hadn't 
seen since I had left there. 

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So day number one, what happened
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Day #2 was the day of the Expo. 
Given that your race size is a 

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lot smaller than the marathons 
we usually go to, the Expo was 

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held outside of a middle school.
It was very small, but it was 

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very nicely done. 
You were able to quickly pick up

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your bib. 
You were able to change waves 

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and move to an earlier or later 
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As for swag, there wasn't that 
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There was nut butter that you 
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your skin to avoid chafing, 
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once I've seen, I forgot to 
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But then you also were able to 
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T-shirts from previous races, 
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nice. 
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and you could grab whatever. 
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are able to get at the Expo is 
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And now you're going to wonder, 
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Well, it's called the Tunnel 
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we'll hop into that as we talk 
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But the race has about 2.4 miles
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pitch dark tunnel. 
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headlamps. 
I had another little light that 

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normally gets strapped onto a 
bike that you can also wear, 

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kind of almost like a ring that 
I was planning on using And then

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dispose off after you exited the
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course, which was about 2.5 
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had bins to put your headlights 
and you could detach your number

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on it so you could later on 
retrieve that light. 

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The tunnel actually sounds kind 
of cool. 

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I think it'd be fun to run 
through. 

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OK, so Expo day, anything else 
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At the Expo, I also got to meet 
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both whom I talked to previously
over the phone prior to coming. 

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They were super, super nice, 
chatted for a while and you 

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know, it's just kind of like a 
mom and pop race. 

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It felt very, very nice, very 
well organized and I was very 

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happy to be there. 
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eating some food. 
I had some fun. 

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Patty had some Italian food 
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exotic with her food choices. 
Oh, I also had oysters the night

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before. 
I was pushing my luck, but yeah,

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so. 
So after that, we just returned 

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to the room. 
Patty would just leave at like 

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5:00 or 4:30. 
I was up till maybe 10:00 and 

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then went to sleep and slept, I 
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The race wasn't supposed to 
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to drive to the starting area 
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up at 5:00. 8:00 AM. 
But you still needed a headlamp,

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huh? 
That's how dark that tunnel was,

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yeah. 
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talk about race day? 
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we headed downstairs at the 
hotel, grab there, grab and go 

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breakfast, which consisted of a 
muffin and a banana, and they 

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had some coffee and drove 
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So it was interesting, you know,
most races shuttle you to the 

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beginning of the race up the 
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Here was the opposite. 
You drove up to the Snoqualmie 

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Pass, parked there, and then you
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be school buses taking you back 
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like and I don't like, right. 
I like that it is. 

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It takes less time. 
At the same time, I want to go 

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straight home after I'm done 
running normally. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
I don't know. 

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I kind of, I guess I kind of 
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finish without a lot of other 
people around, then you might be

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waiting for the bus to fill 
before you get to ride back to 

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your car. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

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I mean, it does. 
It wasn't like that when when I 

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was running it was pretty packed
still, but. 

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Yeah, I think that might 
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ways, because usually at the 
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have so many, this one isn't as 
big, but you have so many crowds

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of people all trying to get on 
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line. 
So like, but when you're when 

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you're racing, like usually the 
starting line's super crowded, 

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but then when you're racing and 
finishing, it's not as crowded 

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because everyone's spread out. 
No, exactly. 

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So you want to talk about start 
of the race? 

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Yes. 
So the race started promptly at 

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8:00. 
Prior to that, we were sitting 

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in the parking lot. 
The temperatures were perfect. 

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It was in the 50s, upper 50s. 
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where you feel like you need to 
move a little bit to stay warm, 

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but you weren't freezing. 
I didn't even have any 

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disposable clothes, if that 
tells you something. 

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Sometimes when you're in the 
mountains it doesn't feel as bad

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as it really was temperature 
wise. 

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Yeah, it felt kind of sheltered.
So the race started at 8:00 with

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wave one, but it almost felt 
like a rolling start. 

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They weren't very strict about 
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you could almost just walk up to
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go whenever you were ready to 
go. 

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The anthem was sung and then 
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would start running. 
Is the tunnel the first thing? 

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So the tunnel is about half a 
mile into the race. 

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So you're going towards the 
freeway area and then you see 

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this big old railroad entrance 
from a tunnel. 

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And Ryan, that tunnel is pitch 
black dark. 

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It was kind of fun. 
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tunnel than the regular air, but
it but it was really dark. 

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I'm glad I did bring my light, 
although obviously other people 

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that are also wearing lights 
light everything up. 

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But I felt like the footing was 
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not only is it dark, but there's
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And then also the track of where
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higher than the sides of, you 
know, two more towards the 

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walls. 
So when you're trying to pass 

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someone, it almost goes down. 
So you almost want to refrain 

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from passing someone in the 
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see it that well. 
Huh. 

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Yeah. 
And I was really happy to have 

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heard, overheard a talk the day 
before between two runners where

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one of them said, Oh yeah, I've 
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more towards the left of the 
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than the other area. 
So I just listened to that and 

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avoided all the potholes of all 
costs. 

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It's called light at the end of 
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mile into the tunnel, you're 
supposed to be able to look up 

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and see that there is light at 
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next two miles. 
I was running behind some really

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tall guys though, so I didn't 
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seeing that light. 
And also I didn't want to take 

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my eyes off the ground. 
And that's kind of my continual 

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story of this race. 
I didn't want to look up a lot 

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at all, even though it was very 
beautiful. 

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The the footing was what I was 
personally, you know, struggling

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with a little bit. 
I feel like they'll be a little 

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anti climatic because by the 
time you get out and you see the

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light you still got 20 more 
miles to run plus. 

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I was thinking I would feel that
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way. 
So what other memorable parts of

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the first half do you can you 
talk to us about? 

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It's funny that you're asked 
that question because as I was 

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running, I was thinking about 
you asking me this question and 

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I was trying to ingrain in my 
brain things that were 

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different, but it kind of felt 
almost spread. 

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Even so, you would have 
beautiful views if you managed 

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to look up and take a peek on 
the right side, because you 

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could see, you know, the 
mountain would drop off 

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sometimes. 
It was part of the road where it

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would go all the way to the edge
and then there was just a very 

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steep drop off. 
So I was thinking about that. 

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On the left side was where the 
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woods, everything was pretty 
beautiful. 

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There are ruts on the road that 
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entire time. 
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across a bridge towards mile 20.
I could be wrong. 

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That was paved and those, I 
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Rd. wearing the alpha flies that
I was wearing felt magical. 

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I could feel the alpha flies 
pop, but the rest, not so much. 

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I just wore the wrong shoes. 
But we'll, we'll talk about 

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that. 
Well, let's talk about that. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, I think I've, you know, 

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running in the alpha flies just 
around the neighborhood. 

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They they don't have, they don't
seem to have a lot of like 

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mediolateral stability, but 
they're just very spongy and and

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they're fun to run on when you 
have a nice surface, but running

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on the the gravel and rutted 
roads, not so good, huh? 

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No, not at all. 
They don't have much traction 

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and they are high up so it feels
very unstable. 

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My ankles were sore the day 
after because I'm trying to keep

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stable. 
I knew it was going to be that 

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effect was going to be blown up 
a little bit because of lack of 

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training, because I knew I was 
going to fatigue out faster. 

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And yeah, so I just also didn't 
have the best grip. 

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So I constantly was almost 
rolling the ankles on this road.

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But still, I mean, that's my own
fault, right, For not informing 

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myself well enough and bringing 
alpha flies. 

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I had one friend tell me, don't 
worry, your alpha flies. 

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I didn't listen, but but but 
here we are, right? 

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It was still, it was still a lot
of fun. 

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So during that first half, I 
heard the sounds of nature. 

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That was beautiful. 
I ran almost the entire time 

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with people. 
So even though you think that 

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number of 831 is not a lot, it 
felt like there was a lot of 

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people around surrounding you. 
You never felt alone. 

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There was no wildlife sighting. 
Is there anything like that? 

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I did hear a lot of birds 
chirping in the trees which was 

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beautiful and even saw a couple 
waterfalls. 

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Oh that's cool. 
Anything distinct in the 

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second-half from the 1st? 
Yeah. 

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So I remember seeing rock 
climbers on our path a few 

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times, you know, after you 
crossed one of those bridges, 

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you saw them. 
They're belaying and climbing 

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the rocks. 
So that was kind of cool, too, 

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because they were just going 
about their day and there was 

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just, you know, a marathon 
crossing through their path. 

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So that was fun. 
That was kind of funny. 

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So you mentioned a railroad, so 
was it like an old railroad 

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track that was converted to 
trail or something? 

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I think that's what it looked 
like. 

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And I guess from what you can 
tell from the videos I showed 

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you, you think that too, right? 
Yeah, that's it. 

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That's what I was thinking. 
So almost like a single lane Rd.

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or at least a functional portion
that you can run on. 

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Yes, exactly. 
And it was a little bit higher 

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in the middle, but I mean, it's 
just kind of like it's more worn

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on the on the sides. 
Unfortunately, I felt like, and 

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and I said that before, you 
know, my legs were fatigued 

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faster than they should have 
because of lack of training. 

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But every time a biker would 
come up that hill on the left 

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side, I would go back to the 
right side. 

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And just crossing from the left 
to the right felt kind of 

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tedious because I always 
thought, OK, I'm going to fall 

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and it doesn't feel very stable.
But again, alpha flies 

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combination of fatigued legs. 
Yeah. 

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Well, also given that it was a, 
if it was an old railroad track,

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it usually they make the slopes 
very gradual. 

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So was it? 
It might be beneficial when 

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you're running, have very 
gradual slopes up or down. 

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You're not getting any sharp 
steep hills. 

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Yeah, I didn't feel like that at
all. 

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Like at times it felt like it 
wasn't even downhill. 

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But I mean, I guess that's 
that's kind of nice, right? 

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It's it'd be interesting to come
back and be trained for that 

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race. 
That sounds kind of cool. 

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I mean, maybe in the future I 
would like to run that one. 

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Maybe we'll be back next year, 
right? 

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Anything else on the second-half
of your marathon? 

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I had a couple of questions but 
before I ask him anything else 

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in the second-half. 
Second-half, we're not talking 

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about the finish yet, right? 
No. 

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All. 
Right. 

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So, I mean, no, but you know, 
Ryan, this race didn't feel like

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it would get old. 
I feel like normally you're 

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running 26 miles and around mile
20 you're kind of over it. 

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And even though I was tired, I 
felt like it was just beautiful.

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And it didn't bother me to be 
running that race as much as I, 

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you know, it normally bothers me
to finish. 

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Yeah, maybe the downhill help 
too. 

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Do you want to go into the 
finish? 

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Then, yeah, so I crossed the 
finish line. 

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I saw the finish line and I 
realized how close I was to 

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beating that 3:30. 
So I picked it up a little bit 

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at the end and finished. 
There were a ton of medical tent

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chairs available, so I just sat 
down for a second. 

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I feel like I had pulled 
something in my foot the entire 

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race. 
I don't know if it was because I

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had stepped on a rut or a rock 
or something, but right where my

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plan of fascia is, that area had
been really, really tight. 

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So when I sat down, I might have
shed a tear or two. 

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I don't know. 
And then I saw Wes too, and it 

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felt good because it was someone
I knew, so I might have shed 

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another tear. 
And that that was the finish. 

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The finish line was kind of fun.
You know, they had plenty of 

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food there. 
They had a whole pool, you know,

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one of those pop up pools with 
cold water so you could step 

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into into that pool and there 
was a ton of cool people. 

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There was one guy that we'd been
seeing at the hotel over and 

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over and became friends with. 
He was there with his daughter 

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and his granddaughter. 
And then another guy that I 

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didn't realize where I knew him 
from. 

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He was also staying in my hotel.
I'd said hi to him and I'd asked

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him where I knew him from and he
wouldn't remember it. 

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He was wearing an LA Marathon 
shirt. 

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So I was like, oh, maybe from 
there when I saw him at the 

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pool, he was like, I remember 
where I knew you from. 

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And he said that we had met in 
Tokyo at the race at a sushi bar

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because, you know, I kind of 
hung out by myself in Tokyo. 

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So I was chatting up people and 
he, I guess was one of the lucky

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ones. 
So then we remembered, 

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reminisced, and he was there 
with his friends. 

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So we all hung out and it was, 
it was kind of fun. 

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It was a fun finish line. 
Just for reference, I don't 

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think you've ever had a marathon
where you haven't cried. 

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I don't remember that like that 
but. 

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So a couple questions like it's,
it's an atypical race for you, I

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guess for marathons in general, 
you're used to running on 

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cities, you're a people person, 
streets. 

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How does this compare to the 
typical marathon? 

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It's just a different 
experience, right? 

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The reason I booked my flight 
out of Washington the same night

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at midnight was not just because
I wanted to go back to my 

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family, but because I knew there
wasn't going to be the race 

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fanfare that you usually used 
to. 

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Normally you finish a race in 
one of those major cities and 

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then there's a happy hour and 
then there's stuff going on in 

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the evenings. 
With this one, I knew it was 

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going to pretty much end at noon
at the finish line, and then you

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just take the buses back to your
car and, you know, then what are

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you going to do? 
You're in this little town. 

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So. 
So I knew that was going to 

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happen. 
The other thing, obviously I 

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love Expos, but I mean, I knew 
what I was going into with this 

449
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,440
experience and I don't really 
mind these races, but I feel 

450
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like you would have really 
enjoyed this type of race 

451
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,600
because you're not so much of A 
people person and. 

452
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,400
Well, I'm not a big crowd 
person. 

453
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,360
I don't mind people. 
I just like big crowds. 

454
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:31,080
I don't like as much yeah as 
you. 

455
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,560
Yeah, so I think you would have 
really liked it. 

456
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,200
You also are into trails and 
outdoors and that kind of stuff.

457
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,720
I think that race would have 
really been up your alley and I 

458
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,080
feel like this trip would have 
been fun to do as a family as 

459
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,960
well because there's so much to 
do with nature as well while 

460
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,480
while you're there. 
Whereas I feel like when you go 

461
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to these big, you know, concrete
jungles, it's not as fun with 

462
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,160
smaller kids to just try to do 
everything marathon related. 

463
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,560
So you'd go back. 
I think I would go back. 

464
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,800
I mean, you know, the one thing 
that was difficult is the gravel

465
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,160
and, and again, it's something 
that you can prepare yourself 

466
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,680
for. 
Other than that, the course is 

467
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,320
really, really good. 
The weather was perfect. 

468
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,520
You just have to be prepared for
the race. 

469
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,120
Do you have a specific shoe 
you'd recommend? 

470
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:34,840
And you know, maybe even the I 
love racing in Nike Alpha phase 

471
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,080
for my fast races. 
And I feel like you could have 

472
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,680
maybe gotten away with this one 
with the Hoka Cielo X, which is 

473
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,120
also a carbon plated shoe, but 
it just is more stable. 

474
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:48,920
It's wider at the bottoms, maybe
a tiny bit heavier. 

475
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,800
I feel like that would have been
better. 

476
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,640
And then of course, there's 
trail shoes. 

477
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,640
But as you know, and as you guys
know, we're doing reviews of 

478
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,600
shoes on on YouTube. 
We've just started reviewing 

479
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,520
some trail shoes. 
So I can't recommend a trail 

480
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,000
shoe, but for a road racing shoe
I think you could just get away 

481
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,000
with a pair of Cielo X's. 
You haven't had a lot of 

482
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,120
experience with trail shoes? 
I have not, other than the all 

483
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:17,880
weather conditioning gear from 
Nike and that one pair of 

484
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,840
hookahs that we used while we 
were in California to speed goat

485
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,680
sixes. 
It's it's kind of in your head. 

486
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,080
I think too that we always try 
to get the lightest shoes for 

487
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,880
races, but in reality I don't 
know if we'd even notice if 

488
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,240
shoes were heavier by a whole oz
or so. 

489
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,960
So do you have any final 
thoughts on the Tunnel Light 

490
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,800
Marathon and can you give it a 
rating? 

491
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,520
Final thoughts? 
It's a beautiful race. 

492
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,840
I think everyone should do 
themselves a favor if they are 

493
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,520
going to do a downhill race. 
Sign up for one of those. 

494
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,600
It's not an aggressive downhill.
It's very enjoyable. 

495
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,000
It's a very beautiful course. 
It's very easy to navigate to 

496
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,440
logistically. 
Rating. 

497
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,240
I mean, you know Ryan, you know 
what I mean? 

498
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,720
Rating, I would probably rate it
a nine out of 10, but that's 

499
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,720
only to my own fault of not 
having been prepared better. 

500
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,560
Again, I feel like if you're 
going to run a course like that,

501
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,920
be prepared and take advantage 
of that slight down hole slope. 

502
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,240
Otherwise you're just kind of 
wasting your time with the race 

503
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,600
like that. 
So that's pretty much it about 

504
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,640
this race are. 
You going to do a YouTube video 

505
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,200
about the race? 
I will probably put something up

506
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,040
because I brought my little 
camera and captured some and 

507
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,520
videos that words cannot. 
How do you say that describe 

508
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,400
words? 
Cannot. 

509
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,680
Describe the beauty of it and 
the gravel. 

510
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,200
I want you guys to see the 
gravel so you're better prepared

511
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,720
than me. 
And yeah, so if you want to. 

512
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,440
See what Letty's been 
describing, go to the YouTube 

513
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,160
channel. 
Also, there's a current giveaway

514
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:57,200
till September 27th. 
And watch out for scammers. 

515
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,840
Don't listen to any emails or 
anything else because Letty, are

516
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,680
you going to give the winner on 
your YouTube channel? 

517
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,000
Oh yeah, a little. 
Background why Ryan is saying 

518
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,200
this? 
I have posted my very first 

519
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,680
contest on YouTube. 
You can win a hocus yellow X 

520
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,320
pair of shoes and I did 
everything according to the 

521
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,360
guidelines of YouTube. 
However, somebody created a fake

522
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:22,200
account and started notifying 
people that they had won after 

523
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,360
entering into the contest. 
The only handle that we have on 

524
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:28,520
YouTube is at Running Podcast. 
There's no Letty Runs. 

525
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,840
I call myself Letty Runs on the 
channel, but there is no at 

526
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,840
Letty Runs or anything else. 
And Ryan and I have decided that

527
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,400
we're going to release the news 
of the winner via a video and 

528
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,040
then we will contact the winner 
directly, probably give him a 

529
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,280
code or something so we can get 
the correct address. 

530
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:53,200
I'm like super into online 
security now and I guess it's 

531
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:58,240
just going to be a couple step 
process, but yeah, and hopefully

532
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,160
more. 
Shoes in the future? 

533
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,760
Yes, yes, we'll have. 
Another giveaway in October, so 

534
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,560
stay tuned. 
For next week, yes, because 

535
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,080
next. 
Week speaking about shoes, we're

536
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,760
going to have a podcast on how 
to purchase or what to consider 

537
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,440
when you're purchasing your 
running shoes just in time. 

538
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,480
For running season exactly. 
So congratulations to everybody 

539
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,520
who raced Sydney, good luck to 
everyone that is racing Berlin 

540
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,320
and coming up Chicago. 
And with that. 

541
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:32,640
Have a great week of running. 
Thanks for tuning in. 

542
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,760
For more information and 
marathon running news, please 

543
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,600
head to 
www.marathonrunningpodcast.com 

544
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:54,840
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