1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,880 You're listening to episode 247 of the Marathon Running Podcast. 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,280 In this episode, we're going to discuss whether an AI running 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,320 coach can be a substitute for a real running coach. 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,840 This is the Marathon Running Podcast by Letty and Ryan from 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,600 We Got the Runs. Join us in our running community 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,280 for weekly content that is motivational, educational, and 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,280 inspirational, and let the Marathon Running podcast take 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,360 you from the starting line to the finish line and beyond. 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,480 Hey runners, and welcome to episode 247. 10 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:43,400 My name is Letty. My name is Ryan. 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,320 And we are here with another episode. 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:50,240 And today, Ryan, we are going to discuss whether an AI running 13 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:55,840 coach can be a substitute for a real running coach, which I 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,520 think is going to be a very interesting discussion. 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,520 But obviously, before we get started, it's important to note 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,400 that this is just a discussion between Ryan and myself. 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,000 We're not affiliated with any specific coaching service, AI 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,800 powered or otherwise, so we want to explore this topic. 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,160 And obviously it's just going to be the two of us, because 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,840 inviting someone from Runner, the coaching company that does 21 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,240 AI, would likely result in a conversation highlighting the 22 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,360 benefits of AI coaching, while having a human coach would 23 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,800 understandably emphasize the value of a personalized coaching 24 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,000 interaction. So our goal is just to provide 25 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,800 you with a balanced perspective. Yeah. 26 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:37,520 Right now, AI still early on and in its infancy, relatively 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,560 speaking. So I think over time we'll see 28 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,200 if there's one clear advantage to one versus the other. 29 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,880 And we've both seen the rise of AI powered apps and it's raised 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,840 some interesting questions for us as runners, like is it a game 31 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,600 changer for runners of all levels or do they lack something 32 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,680 very crucial that only a human coach can provide? 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,280 So I guess we can start by breaking it all down and talking 34 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,880 about what AI run coaching is. AI seems to be the buzzword 35 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,080 recently. Artificial intelligence, right? 36 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,920 Yes, and we love AI. You do. 37 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,760 I do. I mean, I use ChatGPT for my 38 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,400 regular job as an attorney on a regular basis, more taking the 39 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,040 place of a legal secretary and it just cuts out so much time. 40 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:28,160 Have you tried deep seek yet? No, I've only stuck with ChatGPT 41 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:29,920 in Gemini. The Google version of it that. 42 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,720 One's supposed to be pretty good too, supposedly, but I'll have 43 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,280 to check that out. I mean, I think they all are 44 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:42,520 pretty good, and that's what differentiates AI from anything 45 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,240 like Google Translate. But let's backtrack. 46 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,880 So what is AI? How is AI different than just an 47 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,400 answer in Google? I guess for the most part 48 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,760 computers are just like have been at the stage where you ask 49 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,640 a question and it gives you back facts based on the question. 50 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:07,000 It doesn't think for itself per SE, and I think the goal of AI 51 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,600 is to kind of evolve and come up with things on its own rather 52 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,080 than having human interaction to do it. 53 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,440 So in the case of like running, you know instead of it just 54 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,840 feeding you back things from a search engine like what you look 55 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:27,440 for, it can adjust or evolve based on either data basically. 56 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,480 Yes. And that data part I think is 57 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,520 huge because we all know it, or at least the ones of us that 58 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,760 have started running a long time ago when you had the Halligton 59 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,040 training plans online, you can basically download a coach 60 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,840 training plan and that's a static piece of paper that you 61 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,320 have where really nothing changes. 62 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,040 Now with these AI running apps, you have that same thing. 63 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,960 You have a training plan, but you put in your data, you 64 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,960 connect it to your Garmin so that AI gets fed your heart 65 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,440 rate, your paces and everything that you do according to the 66 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,160 training plan. And along with that, it'll give 67 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,080 you an estimate of how close you are to hitting their predicted 68 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,480 results. And then eventually it'll 69 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,400 predict their results more closely to what you can do, 70 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,360 supposedly. Yeah, I think one thing that 71 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,360 computers is great at is, is using information. 72 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,840 And if you can take the next evolution of using information 73 00:04:22,840 --> 00:04:28,200 as it does now and actually acting upon it and like thinking 74 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,960 or evolving based on the information and optimizing, then 75 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,400 it could be a big advantage. Yeah, I agree. 76 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,000 So news to me, you apparently subscribed to an AI training 77 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,240 program. Shouldn't be news to you because 78 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,240 I think I mentioned it, but yes. So for the past month I have 79 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,600 subscribed for an AI training plan. 80 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:55,160 So I subscribed to Rana and again, disclaimer, we're not 81 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,720 sponsored by Rana or any other coaching business. 82 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,560 I just subscribed to it because I wanted to try it out for the 83 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,960 upcoming London Marathon at the end of April because I wanted to 84 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,440 see how this training plan works. 85 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,120 I've seen it everywhere on Instagram, YouTube, you name it, 86 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,160 and I wanted to see how this AI could train me for a marathon. 87 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,320 I know that I'm capable of running something around 3:20. 88 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,080 Although recently I've been more out of shape, I do have a very 89 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,600 close friend of ours, Ron Tabb, who is an elite coach who is 90 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:31,080 very willing to lend me his hand and help me train for this race. 91 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:32,920 But I wanted to see how it's different. 92 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,440 And boy, I was in for a surprise. 93 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:36,960 Ryan. So what were you surprised 94 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,640 about? So I was surprised about the 95 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,360 intensity and frequency of the workouts. 96 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,080 And I think, you know, with that we can kind of start diving into 97 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,520 the pros and cons of using a human coach versus artificial 98 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,240 intelligence coach. Because I think the biggest con 99 00:05:55,240 --> 00:06:03,000 to an AI type of coaching plan is the possibility of getting 100 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,800 injured. So when you sign up for runner, 101 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,960 you kind of decide what level of runner you are and how often you 102 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,200 want to run. And so then it caters a plan to 103 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,000 you. However, I feel like even though 104 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,240 you do put in your age and you do put in everything else, you 105 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,600 don't have that person in essence to tell you, hey, watch 106 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,640 out. Maybe this is too much for you. 107 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,280 Maybe you're just kind of on the brink of injury. 108 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,040 And I think I kind of fell into that because I started training 109 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,480 with it and I now have workouts on Tuesday and Thursday in the 110 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:43,080 long run, and my mileage is increasing very quickly. 111 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,120 Whereas I know that if I were training with Ron, he wouldn't 112 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,840 give me two workouts as close to one another just because of my 113 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:55,120 age and maybe it's just too much. 114 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,560 Also, those workouts are pretty tough workouts. 115 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,960 The paces that it guesstimates that I can hit, I have a hard 116 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,320 time hitting them. And so I feel like, you know, 117 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,760 that fine line between recovering properly. 118 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,480 You don't get that feedback that you normally would get from your 119 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,800 coach. You don't feel like you do, huh? 120 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,200 I don't feel like you do. I mean there is there's no 121 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:22,160 message that says hey, you are in your 40s and you are a mom 122 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,440 and you've got a lot going on. Watch out, you don't, you don't 123 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,320 have that. But I mean again, I haven't 124 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,800 gotten injured yet and we are two or three ish month away from 125 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,920 this marathon so only time will tell. 126 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,200 Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how you feel after that. 127 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,960 And then even even your experience, for one, is just a 128 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,080 single experience. But also I think over time it'll 129 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,160 change and it's relatively new, as we said, so we'll see what 130 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,080 happens. So you went out of curiosity to 131 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,800 try this out, but theoretically, what are some pros and cons of 132 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,200 AI as a trainer? Yeah. 133 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,920 So some pros definitely would be the pricing, right, because you 134 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,640 can't compare the pricing that you're paying for a training app 135 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:11,400 which ranges from 999 to 1999 at the highest and you get a 136 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,440 catered to you training program that does analyze your data. 137 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,000 So from a price point, that's a very good thing. 138 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,320 Yeah. I mean, as we can see in 139 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:27,960 multiple areas, if the price is good, then people will try it. 140 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,920 At least you know, if it's a lot cheaper than getting a coach, 141 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,000 I'm sure people will try it and that'll determine whether or not 142 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,360 and that'll help determine whether or not it's actually 143 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,240 useful or not because more and more people will try it. 144 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,840 Exactly. And if you look at the pricing 145 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,400 for regular run coaches, you have anything from 50 to 250 and 146 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,240 up. And, and yes, you get training 147 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,120 plans, but some of them more of the less paid coaches, they 148 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,240 might just give you a training plan for a whole month. 149 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:57,880 And that seems a little bit more stagnant. 150 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,480 Also, it seems to be that in the running industry, which I think 151 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,160 is absolutely horrible, that coaches give you an amount of 152 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,160 times that you are allowed to contact them. 153 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,080 Some of them only do text messages. 154 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,680 Some of them limit their availability to one phone call a 155 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:14,760 month. And in essence, that's kind of 156 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,880 the same as the AI coaching app, right? 157 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,760 Because because with the AI, you can't tell them when you're 158 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,320 injured. If you have a coach that only 159 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,920 lets you contact them once a month, how are you going to tell 160 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,200 them that you feel little niggles? 161 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,680 I feel like the whole in person coaching or even online 162 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,000 personalized coaching should be that you tell them, hey, look, 163 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,600 my back hurts a little bit or I have a little bit of back pain 164 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,480 and then you get feedback from that person. 165 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,960 But obviously that has to come with a higher price then another 166 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,880 pro, and we've kind of already touched on that is the whole 167 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:51,640 data-driven personalization. You know, AI excels at analyzing 168 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,160 data and it can identify patterns and trends in your 169 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,040 running that might be difficult for a human coach to spot. 170 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,320 So that can lead to highly personalized training plans 171 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:03,760 because unless you have a good coach that literally looks at 172 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,120 every single run that you did and see how you panned out and 173 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,600 what was your heart rate at what pace, that's a very difficult 174 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,960 thing to do. I think a lot of in person 175 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:17,240 coaches rely on your feedback and how you felt if you have the 176 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,560 time of the day to, if they give you the time of the day to 177 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:23,080 actually talk about that. Yeah. 178 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:28,840 I mean, hopefully over time, like it'll be more of an adjunct 179 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,400 to coaches having AI. So then they can, you know, give 180 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,880 you that personal attention, but yet you can also get the 181 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,400 benefits of the data analysis that AI can do. 182 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,520 Right. I mean, maybe it would be good 183 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,800 if the coaches that do review a plan had something like AI 184 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,520 analyze the workout so they can translate to them. 185 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,280 Hey, look, when your runner was running these reps for 200 186 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,960 meters, the heart rate was there and you can kind of interpret 187 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,520 the level of fatigue and how everything went. 188 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,760 Yeah, I think AI can just make them a, make certain people a 189 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,320 lot more efficient hopefully. You know, I think ideally it 190 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,600 wouldn't, it wouldn't necessarily take away jobs. 191 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,760 I think that will happen a bit, but ideally it wouldn't take 192 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:16,520 away jobs but it will just make the jobs easier and better of 193 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,920 the current people. Yeah, I agree. 194 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,320 And then about some cons for these running apps is you don't 195 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,360 have that human connection. And this is a big one. 196 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,160 Running isn't just about data and performance. 197 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,520 It's about, you know, having the community and the support. 198 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,400 So a human coach can provide that, especially if you're doing 199 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,680 it with an actual local coach that brings everyone out 200 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:42,120 together and go for group runs. Yeah. 201 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:48,480 I think also without significant advancement, you know, a coach 202 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,200 can pick up on cues that aren't really specific data points, 203 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,720 whereas AI might not be able to. Like you might not feel like 204 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,160 you're tired or you might think, oh, I'm not tired. 205 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,840 But a coach, maybe I'll hear it in your voice or hear certain 206 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,200 changes or see it in your, you know, mannerisms or anything 207 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,400 else. And a lot of those things would 208 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,640 be very difficult for a computer even to pick up on at this point 209 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,840 at least. Yeah, I agree. 210 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:21,280 OK. So, so another con would be that 211 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,240 ethical considerations, right, you are putting your data out 212 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,800 there and now your health data is out there, although we're 213 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,400 doing that already in so many ways with banks etcetera, with 214 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:38,640 banks and taxes and DNA tracking etcetera. 215 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,240 There's a lot of outsourcing going on. 216 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,280 That's not anything new, though. Yep, that is nothing new. 217 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,960 And I just wonder what happens when AI holds all that 218 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:55,880 information, like the AI company that now has names etcetera. 219 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,920 So I guess it's always good to open a second e-mail account and 220 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,600 do things anonymously or use different names. 221 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,680 One thing I'm curious about too, is if they'll have this 222 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:10,880 technology saturation or so point where, you know, more 223 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:16,520 technology is not gonna really appeal to people. 224 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,560 You know, like they've we've had phones, we've had other things 225 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:22,080 and and we just keep getting more and more and more and more 226 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,000 and more technology. But at some point and you, you 227 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,800 can see sometimes see it happening in some aspects where 228 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,600 people are pulling back from technology. 229 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,240 Like, oh, I'm not part of Facebook, I'm not part of this, 230 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,400 I'm not part of that. I don't carry a phone. 231 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,520 I go to retreats and not have my phone on me and stuff. 232 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:45,040 So we've had technology given to us so much in the past, what, 20 233 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,640 years or so. And I wonder if we'll reach at 234 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,360 set or if we have reached a saturation point where people 235 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,240 will start rebelling against it a bit and be like, yeah, that's 236 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,040 too much. Like I don't want any more 237 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,840 technology. And I think as with likethe.com 238 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,920 bubble and now we have the AI, you know, at front and center of 239 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:13,040 everything, I wonder if the hype will be less than the reality. 240 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,600 But only time will tell. I was just going to say I'm 241 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,240 going to quote my husband Ryan. Only time will tell. 242 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,680 You said that like 20 times on this podcast. 243 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:26,520 But I agree though, I think you know, it is not for everyone. 244 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,920 I also agree with you and the social media fatigue. 245 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,400 You never see me scrolling on Instagram. 246 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,040 I do post because obviously we're trying to grow our YouTube 247 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:37,480 channel. So just side note, if you 248 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,520 haven't subscribed to this at running podcast and we post 249 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,880 YouTube videos, but we're not. I am not a big scroller. 250 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,160 I hate the idea of scrolling. It gives me a headache when I'm 251 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,880 on Instagram and I'm scrolling and I'm going from cats to fires 252 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,080 to politics and and all this stuff. 253 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,600 It just doesn't work with my brain. 254 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,720 I like long form content if anything, but I'm also not one 255 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,000 to completely stay away from social media. 256 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,920 Like if you were to send me to a silent retreat, I would probably 257 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,360 die. And as we talk about using less 258 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,720 technology, we want you to watch YouTube videos, buddy. 259 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,720 I did pitch that, didn't I? But no, I mean, so I always, I 260 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,560 thought you had to have like 100 subscribers or 1000 subscribers, 261 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,640 which you did get. But then you also have to have 262 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:27,160 on YouTube in order to monetize, you have to have what is it 4? 263 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,280 4000 watch hours. Watch hours. 264 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:34,000 We're close to it though. So that 1000 subscribers, we did 265 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,720 get it, but it was anti climatic because now we still have to 266 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:43,000 wait for 4000 watch hours. So if anyone wants to go turn on 267 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,560 YouTube, start one of lady's videos, everyone should do that 268 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,200 and then go for a run. You only have to watch it. 269 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,840 Just let it run at home. We'll get those watch hours 270 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:53,880 maybe. You know, I think they have 271 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,720 farms like that in India where you have literally screens and 272 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,760 people pay. I mean, obviously that's 273 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,000 illegal. If YouTube knows you're doing 274 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,120 that, you can kicked out. But I think, you know, they have 275 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,520 a whole wall full of iPads and then whoever pays them, they 276 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,920 start playing stuff and it's different IP addresses and 277 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:13,760 everything. Yeah. 278 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,480 And we haven't done that, which is why we don't have enough to. 279 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,640 Watch out, we haven't resorted to that yet, but yeah. 280 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,360 So anyway, so that is our conclusion. 281 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,160 No, wait, before we finish this. Who is it for? 282 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,800 It's not for everyone. It's definitely not for the 283 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,440 elite runners that we met in Kenya because any niggles they 284 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,400 have, they have a physiotherapist on there. 285 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:40,160 So I think it's more or for people that want to get better, 286 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,680 but I'm not pros and I'm not trying to offend anyone. 287 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,520 I just think it's for us amateur runners. 288 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,320 It could be a great idea, especially if there's ever a 289 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,080 hybrid option where your coach gets to, if they can't do it on 290 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:00,360 their own, analyze your training data using AI because then 291 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,760 that's almost like having their own secretary and just making it 292 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,800 more helpful. But at the same time, very nice 293 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,319 if your code listens to you and you don't have a limited of 294 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,760 amount of times that you can contact them for feedback. 295 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,839 I think that's a one of the solutions. 296 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:19,880 But I will definitely let you know how this app works out for 297 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,920 me. As I said earlier, right now 298 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,319 it's kicking my butt. Every time I finish a workout, 299 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:30,800 it says that I completed it at 49% and that might be either 300 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,280 because I didn't hit the paces or because I had to stop and 301 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:36,360 almost throw up. And that's the feedback. 302 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:39,920 However, when I get that feedback of having completed it 303 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,000 at 49%, it says that it's average. 304 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,800 So I think it's just one of those high intensity apps and 305 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,880 maybe I should have picked a lower intensity plan. 306 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,160 But again, we'll we'll let you know how it all goes. 307 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,480 Yeah. I mean, I think hopefully that 308 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:01,760 the hybrid system will just everything better, but we will 309 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:02,920 see we. Will see. 310 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,760 Only time will tell Ryan. And OK, so Speaking of time, I 311 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,720 think now is also a good time to talk about an event that we will 312 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,920 be attending at the beginning of March, which is the Boston Run 313 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,920 Show. We are part of the Boston Run 314 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,480 Show in that we will be there and do exit interviews with 315 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,840 people that attend. Are you excited to go? 316 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,400 I'm very excited to go and I hope that you, if you are in the 317 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,880 New England area, etcetera, can also attend the show. 318 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,800 We're very excited for it. So you have a guest that will 319 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,360 talk about the event and give more details. 320 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,080 Yes, we have David Barclay on who's going to briefly talk 321 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,840 about what it all entails. And you guys, if you want to 322 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,480 sign up for the show, you can get free tickets by using US 323 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,080 using the code MRP. Open to the public. 324 00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:59,400 Exactly. So without any further ado, I'm 325 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,200 going to now play my conversation with David Barclay. 326 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,600 All right, so we have David Barclay from the Boston Rancho 327 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:10,880 on. David, thank you so much for 328 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,120 joining us today. Thanks. 329 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,120 So much for having me there, Steve. 330 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,640 Great to be here. So let's talk about your role 331 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,960 with the Boston Rancho a little bit before we hop into what this 332 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,040 Boston Rancho is all about. Yeah, sure. 333 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,520 So I'm the event manager for the Boston Run Show and essentially 334 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,720 my role is, I guess as it says on the to manage the event 335 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:35,120 itself, but essentially bringing in or contacting brands, working 336 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:38,960 with our clients to kind of get them along and kind of set up a 337 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,200 booth and kind of try and engage with our audience. 338 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:46,160 So that's kind of obviously kind of from a sales perspective and 339 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,240 an account management perspective as well. 340 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,400 And also kind of looking after all the different features and 341 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,680 activations we have on the floor plan itself, which I'm sure 342 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,760 we'll kind of get into as well as we kind of move on to it. 343 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,560 All right, so let's do that because I'm one of these people, 344 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,800 you know, I look forward to the Expo before a marathon even more 345 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,400 than the actual marathon itself, because I love going to all the 346 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,360 different booths and seeing what's new out there. 347 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,720 And your event has a ton of boost, so maybe we can talk 348 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,480 about the vendors who's all going to be there, what events 349 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,920 you have plans and also the activations around this Expo. 350 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,960 Yeah, 100%. So yeah, we'll have from a rum 351 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,720 perspective, we'll have around 150 different organizations and 352 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,640 brands exhibiting with us. And I guess to go over them. 353 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,800 So obviously we, I guess I got our main retail partners, 354 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,280 Marathon Sports obviously have kind of a really big kind of 355 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,480 entrusted name within the Boston and Massachusetts area. 356 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,600 And they're going to be bringing along brands such as kind of 357 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:54,840 Ultra, New Balance, Saucony and Atrex are going to be there, 358 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,680 Garmin are going to be there. And so to one of we have kind of 359 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,920 a wide range of kind of shoe brands there, kind of tech 360 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:07,040 brands and also kind of I guess kind of brands that are kind of 361 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,120 quite new to the market as well. So for instance, we've got a 362 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,960 company called Mount to Coast. They're quite a new shoe brand 363 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,760 within particularly in the US market, but they're kind of very 364 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,720 much a trail brand itself. And you just have to check out 365 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,240 some of them, some of the kind of crazy kind of distances some 366 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,480 of the athletes have kind of covered and kind of their big 367 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,600 kind of selling point is that their shoe will last a lot 368 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,480 longer than kind of maybe some of the competitors. 369 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,040 So that's super interesting. Another really interesting one 370 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:43,360 is running Mate as well. They are a brand they, they kind 371 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:48,440 of were set up by a lady called Dana Lewis, who basically set up 372 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,440 the the app itself, because whilst running she was actually 373 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,720 assaulted twice and she wanted to kind of embark on this 374 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,760 mission to basically find a safe solution for particularly for 375 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,520 kind of female runners within cities. 376 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,560 So running mate essentially provides kind of real time on 377 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:09,040 demand, kind of very verified safe running mates. 378 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:12,440 So you actually you find someone within another vicinity within 379 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,480 your city and you can kind of meet up with them and kind of go 380 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,720 for a run together. So it's kind of safety in 381 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:23,000 numbers in that essence. And then yeah, it's essentially 382 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,480 kind of it's going to be a really kind of busy, busy floor 383 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,720 plan with a lot of activations. And you know, we kind of can't 384 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,560 wait to get on site. It will only be kind of two 385 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,680 weeks on Friday. So it's not it's not long to go 386 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,640 now. Yeah, absolutely. 387 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,440 And you and I were also talking off the record here a second 388 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,120 ago, and you told me about a couple of shakeout runs. 389 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:45,480 Now, shakeout runs are also some of my favorite things when you 390 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,000 go to a marathon weekend. So maybe tell us about those 391 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,000 shakeout runs. Yeah. 392 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,680 So we've kind of decided to expand the shakeout runs for 393 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,360 this year because there was such a high demand as well from last 394 00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:01,200 year and tons of people wanted to come get on the running shoes 395 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,160 because, yeah, then the runners obviously love just to get 396 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,560 outside and run. So if we can do that pre Expo, 397 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,280 that's kind of the perfect recipe, right? 398 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:15,400 So we've got a Saturday shakeout run which is focused around, so 399 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,360 we're calling it a sustainability plug. 400 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,640 So essentially we are going to be kind of making kind of the 401 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:28,040 area surrounding the Expo centre at the BCC in a better condition 402 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,960 that we kind of found it. So we're going to be going to 403 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,920 pick litter and it's going to be about 300 people joining us for 404 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,520 that. And you know, one of our kind of 405 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,600 headline sponsors for that is the running training app Runner. 406 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,720 So we're super kind of kind of stoked to have them going to be 407 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,920 part of the kind of shakeout run itself. 408 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,200 And then on the Sunday we're doing a female only shake out 409 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,880 run in collaboration with Trail Blazers, who are female only 410 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,920 shake and female only running group in the Boston area and 411 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,120 also with the running mate who I've just kind of kind of spoke 412 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,320 about previously. So that would be kind of really 413 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:10,760 kind of really good kind of celebration of bringing the 414 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,880 runners together pre Expo hours and yeah, just kind of meeting 415 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,400 new runners, kind of getting kind of getting together with 416 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,800 old kind of friends that you might have. 417 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,160 But yeah, one thing to note is that people need to sign up free 418 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,680 kind of pre show. So if you are keen to joining 419 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,880 either of the shakeout runs, go to the website and kind of go to 420 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,120 the link and kind of fill out your details because they do 421 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:38,480 tend to fill up quite quickly as well. 422 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,680 So that is getting a little bit early. 423 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,200 That sounds pretty amazing. And would that maybe tell us a 424 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,800 little bit about how your turn out was last year and what kind 425 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,240 of feedback you received from the people that visited that 426 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,440 Expo? Yeah. 427 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,600 Well, I think it's just the way we kind of position the Boston 428 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,760 Nun Show is obviously we're not attached to any race. 429 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,520 As you said before, a lot of the marathons and most Expos within 430 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,920 kind of the running space in the US because kind of they're 431 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,120 attached to a race that people will be coming to grab their 432 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:12,320 bibs before. And that was the reason why kind 433 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:17,120 of the Boston Run Show was set up because our CEO, Mike Seaman, 434 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:20,840 he was a big runner and he kind of worked in the Expo event 435 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,440 space and he was on the London Marathon. 436 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,520 And he's, he'll, he'll say this as well. 437 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,880 He's a self-proclaimed kind of running nerd. 438 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,040 He loves everything about running. 439 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:33,040 And he was running the London Marathon. 440 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,200 He went to the Expo and he was there to pick up his bib. 441 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,200 And he'd been training for like 5 months and all he wanted to do 442 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,920 is pick up his bib, go home and rest. 443 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,880 Because obviously he's been training for so long. 444 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,160 And he kind of found that there was no kind of event in the 445 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,320 space that was just focused solely for runners. 446 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,360 So if you go into an Expo, it's kind of four hours, five hours 447 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,080 on your feet. So it is kind of obviously quite 448 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,560 tiring kind of day out. And that's kind of the last 449 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,320 thing you want to do. Kind of 40 bucks around 26 450 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,080 miles. So you kind of came up with this 451 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,920 concept of creating something that was completely kind of 452 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,760 separate from being attached to a race itself. 453 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,680 So, yeah, long, long kind of answer to your, your the 454 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,520 question I guess. But we are there just to have a 455 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,480 community meet up where we're bringing all the runners 456 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,200 together in one place within Boston and Massachusetts where 457 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,720 runners are coming there to check out the latest like shoes, 458 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,640 what nutrition's there, what races they might kind of want to 459 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,240 sign up for 2025. So we can have deliberately 460 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,160 position the expert itself at the start of the calendar year. 461 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,720 So as obviously spring is hopefully kind of will be in 462 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,040 kind of getting there in the 1st and 2nd of March. 463 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,360 People are there to kind of have a look at what they might want 464 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:55,920 to do in their in their run journey for 2025 S essentially 465 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,480 kind of we are here for the other runners and just kind of 466 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:04,560 promote running inclusivity and just kind of getting as many 467 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,120 people running as possible really. 468 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,760 That's awesome. And you guys, obviously you're 469 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,040 based in the UK, so I know that you guys have a similar Expo 470 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,880 happening in the UK. Can you tell us a little bit 471 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,560 about that? Yes, we've got the national 472 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,720 running show in the UK which was set up in 2018 and we actually 473 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,480 just had the latest edition of it about two weeks ago. 474 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,160 And it was, it's incredible the number of people that come. 475 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,160 So it's in a place called Birmingham, which is kind of in 476 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,200 the centre of the, it is centre of England, sorry. 477 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,120 And we had close to kind of 30,000 people over the two days, 478 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:44,160 which was incredible. And it's just so this, the 479 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,280 national running show is going into its 8th year now and it's 480 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,920 kind of, I'm pretty certain that it's now got more exhibitors at 481 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,600 the show than the London Marathon Expo has exhibitors. 482 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,400 So kind of the growth of that has been just off the charts. 483 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,640 And yeah, I mean, I don't know if you saw we had a lady called 484 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,520 Sophie Powers who broke the record of the furthest distance 485 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,480 run on a treadmill in 48 hours. And I think she did like, I 486 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,320 think it was at 380 kilometres over the the weekend, which was 487 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,880 just insane. If you get a chance, Google 488 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,000 Sophie Powers world record because she started up. 489 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,640 So we we arrived on the Friday to set up and she started 490 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,360 running. I think it was like 2:00 PM on 491 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:30,440 the Friday. And obviously we all went to bed 492 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,640 and then we were cut for the Saturday morning, the first day 493 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,200 of the expert and she was still running. 494 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,400 And then obviously we had Saturday and then everyone went 495 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,800 to bed and woke up on Sunday. And then we had the whole day of 496 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,480 the expert and she finished at like 2:00 PM on the Sunday and 497 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,440 completely smashed the record. So yeah, definitely check that 498 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,280 out because it's yeah. And it's such a cool feat, but I 499 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,120 wouldn't be able to do that. I think like an hour on the 500 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,120 treadmill is long enough for me. So I don't know how she did 48 501 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:02,080 hours, but yeah, it was, it was a really cool activity. 502 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,600 Yeah, that's quite unfathomable. I think I'm one of the people 503 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,000 that I've never spent more than 30 minutes on a treadmill 504 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,480 because it just gets so boring. I can't run much longer outside. 505 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,200 But the treadmill is just, you know, it's a whole different 506 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,120 thing. Did she stop at all or did she 507 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,000 change her shoes, go to the bathroom, anything? 508 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,920 Yeah, I think she had, she had like mini naps as well. 509 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,360 I think she had like a little kind of station where with like 510 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,880 a sleeping bag and a pillow. But yeah, she's, yeah, she's 511 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,680 kind of made of something else. It's kind of a mental game is 512 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,040 very strong, right? So we won't see any of that in 513 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,720 Boston, but there's something else we will see, which is a 514 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,480 movie screening, perhaps tell us about what movie it is and why 515 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,280 everybody should sign up and watch that. 516 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,040 Yeah. So this is kind of something 517 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:51,320 that we've wanted to do kind of across our previous events that 518 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,840 just never kind of worked out. But so we're collaborating with 519 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,680 the Boston Bulldogs Running Club and they just released a 520 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,160 documentary in the last few months basically kind of 521 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,120 focusing on kind of mental health and kind of what running 522 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,280 means to some of their members and how running has kind of 523 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,280 helped them overcome certain challenges in their lives. 524 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,160 And so, yeah, what we're doing a screening of that on the Sunday 525 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,360 morning from 10:00 AM to 11:00 AM. 526 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,520 And also we'll have some of the people in the actual kind of 527 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,120 documentary film itself on site. So there'll be an opportunity to 528 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,400 kind of do a bit of AQ and a session with some of the kind of 529 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,480 people who are involved and some of the production team as well. 530 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,800 So yeah, that'll be kind of a nice little added kind of kind 531 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,840 of, I guess, incentive and kind of engagement for our community 532 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,680 as well. And it just kind of, I guess it 533 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,600 also just highlights kind of what running means to everyone. 534 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,760 Everyone's got their own kind of personal story of kind of why 535 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,320 they run and kind of what it means to them. 536 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,160 And I think this doing something kind of like a screening like 537 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,080 this for the documentary kind of will really bring that out. 538 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,920 So if you do, if you're asking for that, as I said before, it 539 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,640 is a ticketed event and it's only open for 100 people. 540 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,400 So I'd advise, yeah, get your tickets as soon as you can if 541 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,440 you are kind of keen to get involved in that all. 542 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,560 Right. So now that we have all the good 543 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:23,000 reasons to go to this Expo, do you guys have any links that you 544 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,360 can provide for hotels or stays for people that are not from the 545 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,920 area? Yeah, 100%. 546 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,520 We've got a few partnerships with some hotels, so I don't 547 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,400 know if we can, I can definitely send you some links kind of 548 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,960 promoting them. I don't know if you can put them 549 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,200 in the show notes or something. But the good thing about the BCC 550 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,720 is that it is, yeah, just a really good location with kind 551 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,680 of a number of different kind of hotels and amenities surrounding 552 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,200 it. So yeah, definitely we can get 553 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,200 that sorted. Perfect. 554 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,400 Anything else that we need to know about the show? 555 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,840 I think it's just kind of a really nice get together. 556 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,800 I always say, like whenever I get in a room with runners, I 557 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,120 always feel more energized and happier when I leave, you know, 558 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:15,840 So since I went to the New York Marathon Expo in this one, just 559 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,360 or 2024, and I think just the buzz and everyone's there 560 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,680 because they're passionate about a kind of a shared interest and 561 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,040 kind of sport, right? And I think just kind of getting 562 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,040 into that environment and kind of being able to show you 563 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,920 stories or just going to talk to people about, I don't know what 564 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,600 shoes they do or kind of what races they're doing or kind of 565 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,480 what kind of routes they might have in Boston and stuff. 566 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,520 It's just quite a special, special weekend. 567 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,000 And I think also we do put a lot of kind of effort in the content 568 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,960 that we have as well. So our speakers are kind of and 569 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,320 2nd to none and I had a content, Kate does an amazing job and 570 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,720 kind of bringing everything together on that regards. 571 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,320 So for instance, we've got Des Linden obviously won the Boston 572 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,520 Marathon and we've got Meg speaking as well. 573 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,680 We've got Laz Lake who's the Barclay Marathon race director. 574 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,480 So you'll have a lot of interesting stories around that 575 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,720 as well. And we've also got Alex Hermeson 576 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,640 as well, who's Hermes runs, who's a social media influencer 577 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,120 from Boston. So he will be, he's doing a 578 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:28,000 sustainability panel along with a lady called Tina Muir, who 579 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,920 does a lot of work in the sustainability space and also 580 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,880 Hilo Athletics. Hilo are quite a new brand in 581 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,960 the American market. So they're a British shoe brand 582 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,520 and yeah, they're doing a lot of great work in the sustainability 583 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,280 space around their kind of products and shoes. 584 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,960 So yeah, they're going to be coming together as well. 585 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,160 So I think there's just, there's a bit of everything for 586 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,800 everyone. Because you don't, you don't 587 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,600 have to be a 17 minute care to come to our run show. 588 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,120 If you're literally just getting into running for the first time 589 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,080 and you're just kind of interested about kind of what 590 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,520 the industry is about and kind of what other people do. 591 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,720 It's just a good opportunity to check it out and just kind of 592 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,239 potentially make some new friends and kind of get 593 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,840 together. Perfect. 594 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,520 And make some new friends. Exactly. 595 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,080 And I can't wait to meet you there. 596 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,040 And thank you so much for talking with me, David. 597 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,400 Perfect. Thanks. 598 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,560 And also we've got a free ticket code as well for your listeners, 599 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,440 so we can put that in the show notes as well, but it will just 600 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,280 be podcast. So if you go to the ticket, 601 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,480 check out any of your listeners and get free tickets. 602 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,760 Perfect. Thank you, David. 603 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,120 Thank you. Go. 604 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:43,199 Cheers lady. All right, so if you guys again 605 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:47,239 want to sign up for the Boston Run Show and be there, use code 606 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,040 MRP at sign out for free tickets. 607 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,880 And with that, have a great week of running. 608 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,040 Thanks for tuning in. For more information and 609 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,960 marathon running news, please head to 610 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:07,280 www.marathonrunningpodcast.com and we'll be back next week.