1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,320 You're listening to episode 292 of the Marathon Running Podcast. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,360 In this episode, we're going to talk about running in Kenya. 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,960 This is the Marathon Running Podcast with Letty and Ryan. 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,640 Join us for weekly content on all things running and let us 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,360 take you from the starting line to the finish line and beyond. 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,760 Hey runners, and welcome to episode 292. 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,880 My name is Letty. My name is Ryan. 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,080 And welcome back, Ryan. You've been missing out on the 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,520 last couple of episode. I don't know if you knew that. 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,040 I didn't know that you kind of do them without me sometimes. 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,600 I do do that sometimes when I know it's something that either 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,120 you're not available or it's really boring. 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,200 But we are Ryan and Letty, we host this podcast, comes out 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,160 every Monday and we talk about all things running, how to 15 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:50,160 improve your running. We bring expert coaches, 16 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:53,320 nutritionists, etcetera. And always very good 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,440 information, at least so I was told. 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,560 It's always difficult to find new things, but we're always 19 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,600 trying to look and figure out what's best to teach people how 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:06,160 to run fast or be their best. Yes, but after 292 episodes of 21 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,800 mine I don't find it that hard anymore to get content. 22 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,480 When it comes to the running world, there's plenty out there. 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,640 Yeah, you seem to get a lot more people coming to you now, which 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,400 is really cool. Absolutely. 25 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:18,920 It's yeah. It's been really humbling. 26 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,720 It's been cool. So you've created a running news 27 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,680 website too? Yes, I have. 28 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,880 If you guys have not seen it yet because we have not heavily 29 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,200 advertised it. We're just kind of soft launched 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,880 it with some friends at brands and you guys can find 31 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:39,160 thisrunningnewswebsite@marathonjournal.com. So think CNN or Fox News or 32 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,880 whatever you listen to at a smaller scale and just all about 33 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,480 running. There's no politics and that. 34 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,640 Just a little smaller. Just a little bit smaller, yes, 35 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,880 but no, I've been really diving into the topic of trending news, 36 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,120 what's going on with the races, world majors, etcetera. 37 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,320 And then we have some guest writers that are coaches and 38 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,200 nutritionists. So we've been trying to kind of 39 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,400 put that together. It's been about 3 months because 40 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,960 obviously when you create a news website, you don't start it off 41 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,440 with one article. So I've been populating it 42 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,440 before I spread the word about it. 43 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,800 So you guys that are my loyal listeners, please check out the 44 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:16,640 website, it's www.marathonjournal.com and let 45 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:19,320 me know what you're thinking. I would really appreciate it. 46 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,560 It's good to have all of running news in one spot and training 47 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,360 and other stuff. Yes, especially breaking news, 48 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,160 right? Because who doesn't want to wake 49 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,400 up on a Sunday morning and wonder which elite athlete won 50 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,240 Valencia, right? Can't just be me. 51 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,440 Probably not. All right, so today's episode is 52 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,800 gonna be a little bit different. Like we said earlier, we usually 53 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,120 have coaches and nutritionists and all sorts of informational 54 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,320 stuff on this one is still really informational. 55 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,120 So give it a chance. We are gonna talk to Hugo which 56 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,520 is my Co host for the Kenya run camp that we are hosting 57 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,000 together in A10. Our camp is gonna be February 58 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,800 16th through 25 and we have about 10 people that signed up 59 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,560 at this point and we still have a little bit of room. 60 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,040 So we decided to give everyone a teaser and let you guys know 61 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,120 what exactly happens at a run camp in Kenya. 62 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,040 From getting there to what the daily looks like, What daily 63 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,120 runs are there, is there any strength training? 64 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,280 What are the amenities, What are the excursions that we do 65 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,560 everyday? Because I feel like if you are a 66 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,880 runner and if you did not get into any of the majors because 67 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,520 they're now super difficult and you have that desire to travel 68 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,840 for running, this could be it. Yeah. 69 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,440 And hopefully you'll document some of it so you can see what 70 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,320 the people that are going, how their experiences and what they 71 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,000 gain from it, and see what all the other Kenyan runners do on a 72 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,960 daily basis. Yes, absolutely. 73 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,680 And no matter what pace you are going to have a pacer, no matter 74 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,120 if you're going to be a 230 marathoner or a six hour runner, 75 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,280 we have Pacers for everybody. We also have excursions planned 76 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,520 to the school of John Courier. John Courier, the winner of the 77 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,200 Boston Marathon, Chicago Marathon, and now Valencia 78 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,480 Marathon. We're going to be visiting the 79 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,400 Kip Run House. There's so many different things 80 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,360 that we're going to do. There will be beautiful hikes, 81 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,440 sightseeing and a safari add on at the end of the trip. 82 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:09,000 So stick with us as we hop into this beautiful itinerary with 83 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,560 Hugo. Are you ready, Ryan? 84 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,320 Let's get into it. All right, so without any 85 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,880 further ado, I'm now going to play my conversation with Hugo. 86 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,760 All right, so welcome back, Hugo to our podcast. 87 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,680 Hugo is the host of the camp that we're going to in February, 88 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,720 which is just about two months away. 89 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,520 So we're getting really, really excited for this. 90 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:34,360 So we decided to make an episode and talk about what this all 91 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:35,760 entails. So welcome, Hugo. 92 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,160 Yeah. Thanks for having me. 93 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,920 Happy to be there. We're just going to do a quick 94 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,600 run through of what people can expect when they go to Kenya 95 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,320 with our group, which is going to be a very amazing experience. 96 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,960 It's a really beautiful place, but it would be very difficult 97 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,240 to go to that place on your own without knowing someone. 98 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:57,360 So luckily we have you to host us at your at your place and 99 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,280 your place is kind of like a hotel. 100 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:00,880 Maybe you can explain that a little bit better. 101 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,680 Yeah, sure. So we, my wife and I started 102 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,320 it's first, I think back in 2013. 103 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,680 My wife's Kenyon. First of all, I'm in Kenya much. 104 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,600 She's Kenyon. We met each other 25 years ago. 105 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,360 She then studied physiotherapy in the Netherlands and we moved 106 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,760 back to Kenya in 2007. So we've been living there now 107 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,840 for 18 years together now with three daughters. 108 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:26,760 We stopped professional running and I became a coach, started 109 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,320 coaching and we started also this guest house for runners 110 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,200 basically. So what the accommodation we 111 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,160 have at the moment, it's a space for 35 people or bedrooms with 112 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,160 two beds where, yeah, it's like a hotel or a guest house, but 113 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,440 it's mostly for runners. So it's anyone can come here. 114 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,160 We've had journalists coming here. 115 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,880 We've had, you know, different people staying here. 116 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:50,720 But of course, E 10 is a runner's paradise. 117 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,640 So you get runners from all over the world who want to stay here. 118 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,720 So it's specifically designed for runners. 119 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,160 Actually, it's like you, you've got your own room. 120 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,440 You have like a bed there with there's, we have mosquito Nets 121 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,920 above all the beds. Although there's no malaria here 122 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,840 in Kenya or I mean, in Kenya there is malaria, but not in 123 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:10,240 Ethan in Eldoret because of the altitudes. 124 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,840 And they're just, you know, comfortable rooms for at least 125 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:16,520 to relax. And then we have, of course, a 126 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,080 gym. We have a dining where, you 127 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,680 know, we serve food for our guests. 128 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,920 We have a lounge where people can relax and watch TV and, 129 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,440 yeah, nice garden, you know, with fruit trees and everything. 130 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,640 So when you're here, you also want to feel like you're in 131 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,120 Africa. You're not just sitting in a 132 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,760 hotel room, right? So we always feel like, we want 133 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,040 people to feel like they're in a natural environment. 134 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,800 When you open the door here in the morning, you look out over 135 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,200 the valley, you know, the Great Rift Valley, and the neighbors 136 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,440 on one of the sites are 50 kilometers, That's what, about 137 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,920 30 miles away. So yeah, it's a very natural 138 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,600 environment, but at the same time I would say comfortable 139 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,560 enough where it needs to be able to train hard and recover well. 140 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,920 Perfectly said, and as you mentioned already, Etan is a 141 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:03,960 runner's hub, So what can people expect from the city? 142 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:09,120 Is it a city that is closely like Europe, where you can get 143 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,720 out and walk around, or is it more like in the United States, 144 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,280 you can't get anywhere without a car? 145 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,760 Tell us a little bit about what that feel is like in a 10. 146 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:16,120 Yeah. Yeah. 147 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,480 You know, you, you travel a lot of course between Europe and US, 148 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,080 right. So you, yeah, you know that 149 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,600 difference, this and Kenya is different again in its own way, 150 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,120 of course it's, I mean, it then has a big name in the runners 151 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,440 world. But as you know, it's a pretty 152 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:36,040 small town with maybe 10,000 people and 2000 of them are 153 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,120 runners. But that's the interesting thing 154 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,600 about it. It's, it has a small center, 155 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,600 just basically two or three streets, you know, with some 156 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,840 small shops for the bigger shops. 157 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,240 Like if you want to go to a shopping mall, you know, we 158 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,400 don't really have that here. Any 10 you, you drive about 40 159 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,080 kilometers and 25 miles to Eldoret. 160 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,720 But the good thing here, like everything can be reached even 161 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,760 by food. You know, you just when you 162 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,480 leave the guest house, first of all, from the first meter you 163 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,680 can start to run because there are those dirt roads going all 164 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:09,000 over eaten and going, you know, outskirts and they connect to 165 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,280 other tarmac roads. You can run. 166 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,880 You're basically you run from your doorstep until you're back, 167 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,640 right. So and it's all mostly dirt 168 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,600 roads and rolling hills. So perfect. 169 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,000 So let's start by talking a little bit about our itinerary 170 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,080 because traveling to Africa is something that's exotic for most 171 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,720 people, especially the ones coming from the US, because we 172 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,840 are so comfortable with everything that we surround 173 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,640 ourselves with. And this is a completely 174 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,720 different country, third world country, so we've already talked 175 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,480 about it in the past. You get there, you get to 176 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,760 Nairobi, and from there you take a shorter flight to Eldoret. 177 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,240 In Eldoret, we're going to be picked up by your van. 178 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,680 That takes us straight to the camp and then we will have a 179 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,720 meet and greet that first day. Exactly. 180 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,120 So we sit down at our camp for, you know, 30-40 minutes. 181 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,800 We all introduce ourselves. People are getting their Kenya 182 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,800 camp teacher, they're getting the itinerary, they're getting 183 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,640 some explanation about, you know, life at the camp, life at 184 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,360 altitude and how you should maybe adjust your training or 185 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,560 things to keep in mind. And then we go out for a walk. 186 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,040 We walk we like I said, you don't really need a car any Then 187 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,880 we from our guest house, we walked right towards the center. 188 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,880 We walked for about an hour, 1 1/2 hour Max going, you know, 189 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,000 different places. And we finish at a place called 190 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,480 Viewpoint, which of course has an amazing view. 191 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:31,480 That's why it's called Viewpoint. 192 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,840 And we have a drink there. So they serve, you know, 193 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,400 different types of drinks. And yeah, that's the start of, 194 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,880 of the camp, you know, getting together and as a group and, 195 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,120 and, and chatting about our, you know, running experiences and 196 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,080 travel experiences. And as we take a drink, looking 197 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:48,960 out over the valley, That's the first day. 198 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,280 And then of course, from the next day we start the training. 199 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,200 Yeah. So that's the ultimate kickoff 200 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,040 to an amazing experience. And then everyone is going to 201 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,600 get to bed probably a little bit earlier the first day because 202 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,520 we've all traveled and the jet lag and we're going to fight all 203 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,600 that. But then we're going to hop 204 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,720 straight into camp life, which is going to be a schedule. 205 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,480 I don't know what time you guys all wake up, but maybe tell us a 206 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,400 little bit about what time our first run of the day is. 207 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,640 And when I say first run of the day, I'm implying there will be 208 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,400 two, but obviously the second one is optional for those 209 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,400 overachievers of us that want to do more. 210 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,960 Yes, exactly. So with our training program, 211 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,600 it's we, we have a generic program, right? 212 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:32,680 Like a general program for basically for like everyone that 213 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,600 can do it, but we adjust it, you know, if needed. 214 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,240 So like you said, there's optionalized noon runs, but even 215 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,120 for the morning runs, which are the main sessions, we adjusted 216 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,960 based on what people can handle. So I normally stand out an index 217 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,720 sheet to every participant to get to know them a bit better as 218 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,880 runners and see what their goals are, what they, their training 219 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,840 load is that they can normally handle experience in terms of 220 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,240 mileage. So, you know, there might be 221 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,560 people who just train 3 or 4 times a week and that's fine. 222 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,640 We always have that. And then on other days they hope 223 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,960 on that, you know, the bike in the gym or, or the elliptical 224 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,640 and there's other people who train 10 times a week and and 225 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,160 that's fine. You know, we want people of 226 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,400 different levels and different abilities to still train 227 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,040 together and have that same experience. 228 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,680 Yeah, so. Yes, exactly. 229 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:23,920 Especially given that in our group we have literally all 230 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,960 ranges, middle of the Packers, back of the Packers. 231 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,480 And then we have a couple of people that are on the faster 232 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,280 side that are trying to run their races and you know, 233 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,800 marathons and the two somethings which is faster than average. 234 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,360 But anyone listening, rest assured that you will be 235 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,000 included in this amazing group of runners that we have so far 236 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,680 because it doesn't matter what pace we run. 237 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:47,600 We all kind of just run the same distance. 238 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,320 And as Hugo mentioned, we all can have a pacer. 239 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:51,680 Nobody's going to be left behind. 240 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:55,080 So doesn't matter if you're 12 minute, 15 minute pace runner, 241 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,040 it doesn't matter. Totally, totally. 242 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,760 That's totally true. And you know, we have Pacers 243 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,320 running with you. And you know, people sometimes 244 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:05,640 come here and they feel shy. They say, you know, I, I run 245 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,440 with the Kenyan and I'm running like 7 minutes per kilometer, 246 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,480 you know, like 11 minutes per mile. 247 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,520 And I don't want the Kenyan runner to, to run with me 248 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,080 because it's too slow for them. That's not a problem. 249 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,240 It's really like for them, it's a job. 250 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,880 You know, they are part of our staff and they, they enjoy 251 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,400 running with, you know, our team with, with the foreign runners 252 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,040 that come here. And you know, for, for them 5 253 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,040 minutes per kilometer is just as slow as 7 minutes per kilometer. 254 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,760 You know what I mean? Like they run normally at 4 255 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,320 minutes per kilometer or faster, so it's easy for them anyway. 256 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,200 And, and for those who are aiming for a 2 hour or even 2 257 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,240 hour 30 marathon, yeah, we also have spacers, of course, who can 258 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,200 handle that. We, yeah, we've literally had 259 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,000 people here in the last three months who ran a two hour 28 260 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,880 marathon and at the same time who ran a 10K in, you know, 70 261 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,800 minutes. So really different levels. 262 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:01,480 Yeah. Yes. 263 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,400 And I absolutely love that about your camp. 264 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,840 And so that that is the first run of the day. 265 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,120 So that's basically right after waking up. 266 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,600 Breakfast will be after that. What time do you guys usually do 267 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,120 the run in the morning? Yes, yes. 268 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,280 So the first run, if it's an easy run, we normally go at 6:30 269 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,240 in the morning. So we run at 6:30. 270 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,120 Some people will go for a 30 minute run, others will go for a 271 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,040 60 or 70 minutes run. And when we come back, we, we 272 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,480 have breakfast, basically that's how it works. 273 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,760 But then on the workout days, for example, when we go to the 274 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,880 track or when we have a fart leg, we often run a little later 275 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,160 and we split the breakfast in two, right. 276 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,280 So we have like a small breakfast, like our regular 277 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,200 breakfast is kind of big with, you know, with toast and 278 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,960 pancakes and eggs and, and, you know, coffee, tea and a fruit 279 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,920 salad and, you know, this kind of stuff. 280 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,760 And you don't really want to take all of that before you go 281 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,120 to the track, right? So we, when we have a harder 282 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,960 workout, we, we open our dining at 6:00 in the morning or even 283 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,360 530 people take a cup of tea or coffee and maybe a slice of 284 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,960 bread or a banana. Then they do their workout, fart 285 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,440 like or a track session. And then when we come back at, 286 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,200 you know, 9930, they have like a bigger breakfast for, you know, 287 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:15,800 optimal recovery from the training. 288 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,640 Perfect. Thanks for explaining that. 289 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,040 And then on the days that we do want to do an optional run, I'm 290 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,560 assuming that's just going to be late afternoon before the sun 291 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:24,840 goes down. Yes, exactly. 292 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,360 So the morning session, like I said, it's 6:30 for an easy run 293 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:33,400 or for a long run around 8:00 or even 9:00 for a fight like or a 294 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,400 track session. And then the afternoon easy runs 295 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,040 are normally at either 4:00 or 5:00 PM, depending a little bit 296 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,600 on the program. Yeah. 297 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,040 And then of course, so that's the running part. 298 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,160 And sometimes we a couple of times a week we have a gym 299 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,800 session, like some strength, strength and conditioning. 300 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,360 So we try to plan that with the easy run as well. 301 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,440 So for example, it might be an easy run, optional easy run at 302 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,200 4:00 PM. And then at 5:00 PM is the gym 303 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,920 session, you know, where so people can, those who want to do 304 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,880 everything can do everything. And those who say like, OK, I 305 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,560 don't need that, you know, the easy afternoon run, that's fine. 306 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,920 You know, they just do the game session, the strength session at 307 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,400 5:00 and those who say like I, I'm not interested in strength, 308 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,960 that's fine as well. So nothing is a must. 309 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,200 We are not here to, you know, make people suffer you. 310 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,880 We are here to make you better according to what you can 311 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,240 handle. And we are here to advise you 312 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,160 and help you to get stronger. But it's never a must to do a 313 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,800 training session right They're. Perfect. 314 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,200 And since you kind of touched on strength, I don't want to hop 315 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,440 too deeply into it, but just for people that are interested in 316 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,200 this camp or even the ones that I've signed up to know, there is 317 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,080 a gym available on site. Yes, yes, we have a gym, 318 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,800 weightlifting stuff, you know, stationary bikes, treadmill and 319 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,560 elliptical. It's not like a huge gym. 320 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,240 I would say it's basically what runners need, right? 321 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,480 So yeah, I go to myself twice a week, actually, to stay fit and 322 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,880 to maintain my strength, which helps me not to get injured, you 323 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,960 know? So yeah, and, and many runners 324 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,640 use it. But yeah, the good thing here is 325 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,680 just right at the camp, right? So anytime during your day, you 326 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,040 can go in and do some exercise if you want, or you can do our 327 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,840 mutual session. You know, where we're just 328 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,880 leading the session with me and my assistant coach, Collins 329 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,080 Tibet. We we show you the exercises and 330 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,400 you just copy us. And yeah. 331 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,480 Perfect, perfect. All right, So before we talk 332 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,400 about excursions that we're planning, which I'm very excited 333 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,560 about, let's stay on the camp and talk about the seminars. 334 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,040 We have listed some seminars. Maybe tell us a little bit about 335 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,840 what our attendants are going to learn about. 336 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,200 Well, it's there's different things. 337 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,520 So one of the things of course we want to talk about is the 338 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,360 Kenyan training methods, like the Kenyan mindset also. 339 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,360 And like what is unique about Kenya? 340 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,880 Why is it that Kenyans are dominating the running world for 341 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,160 the last few decades? You know, why is it that they're 342 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,800 so, you know, dominant when it comes to marathons, have 343 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,160 marathon standards and nowadays even on the track, I mean, if 344 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,040 you've seen, of course, the Kenyan ladies winning everything 345 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,800 in the 859 steeplechase, 5000 and 10,000 meters, how come? 346 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,000 Right. And then so we talk about how 347 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,319 they train, how they grow up. We talk a bit about the 348 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:14,480 genetics, you know, the advantages of the altitude and 349 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,280 the way, you know, people live their lives. 350 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,920 But we also talk about what is the typical mindset of Kenyans 351 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,240 because I think, you know, if I would have to explain, you know, 352 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,600 very short, like what is the big advantage with like the big 353 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,920 thing about our camp? Of course, first of all, it's a 354 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,280 running camp where you're just coming to improve as a runner, 355 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,920 right? Like just like every other 356 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,560 running camp. But of course, what is unique 357 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,480 about it is that we're in Kenya, right? 358 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,280 And, and Kenya has a really beautiful culture. 359 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,360 I think first of all, here, it's like we call it the we culture. 360 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:50,520 It's not an I culture like in Europe or America, you know, 361 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,480 people live as a community, they train as a community, as a 362 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,560 group. And yeah, there's a lot of stuff 363 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,040 we can talk about, you know, like we can partly is people 364 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,560 have to experience it by being here and, you know, just staying 365 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,800 here for some time and, and, and feeling that culture. 366 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,080 And partially it's something we can teach them. 367 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,000 We can tell people like how things work in Kenya and how 368 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,920 things are done and the mindset that the athletes have when it 369 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,440 comes to their training. So, yeah, I think that's that's 370 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,320 one of the things that's important to take home, you 371 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,360 know, and that that we try to show in our seminars and other 372 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:25,120 things, of course are more like, yeah, a little bit more 373 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:26,160 scientific. I would say. 374 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,720 Like I'm a scientist by education myself. 375 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,760 And of course I'm I'm also an athlete. 376 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,760 So I tried to combine the science and my own experience. 377 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,880 And then all the talks I've had with other athletes, you know, 378 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,520 from around the world to explain people like basically how to 379 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,520 train to become the best runner you can be, right? 380 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,480 So that's another topic. And then the third topic I would 381 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:52,480 say is mindset or not necessarily mindset, but I would 382 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,040 say mental tools you can use, as we've talked about also with you 383 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,880 in your podcast, some of the mental tools you can use to 384 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,760 become the best version of yourself. 385 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,000 I. Absolutely love this. 386 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,200 So we'll have approximately 3 seminars. 387 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,160 Science, mindset, and then cultural immersion, which makes 388 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,720 this all so worth it to go this far away from your home and 389 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,720 leave everything behind to attend a running camp. 390 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,960 I'm very, very excited about that. 391 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,600 Now let's hop into some of the excursions, right? 392 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,920 Because we're going to have time during the day to do certain 393 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,320 things. We're going to be done with our 394 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,120 nice breakfast and then we are obviously as travelers looking 395 00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:31,200 for some sort of entertainment. Before we hop into the 396 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,000 officially planned excursions, however, let's talk about the 397 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,040 times that we leave the camp to do running in other locations. 398 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,640 Tell us a little bit about the track that you kind of briefly 399 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,400 mentioned earlier and then also the long 50 kilometer St. 400 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,400 Moy van. Yeah. 401 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,200 So we for example, on the Tuesday, Tuesday is track day in 402 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,240 Kenya, right? So like in many countries. 403 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,480 So we have our own fans of course. 404 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,800 So for the camp, if you join the camp, everything is included 405 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,160 right from start to finish. So we take you in our fans, we 406 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,360 go to the track together with our Pacers, together with the 407 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:10,400 coaches. We go to Eldoret, we do our 408 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,120 session there on one of the Tuesdays, we go back after the 409 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:18,160 session on the other Tuesday we stay in Eldoret, we go to a 410 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,320 beautiful restaurant, have brunch there and then after that 411 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:26,160 we are meeting top athlete at. And his or her home in Eldoret. 412 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,520 And we have a we sit down basically for like an hour and 413 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,040 we watch their race, like where they won an Olympic medal 414 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:37,440 together, you know, and we talk about, you know, their life and, 415 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,160 and how they made it and what their advice is for runners and 416 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,080 all that. So, yeah, that's, that's a great 417 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,600 experience. Just being at the track already 418 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,600 is, you know, for most people, amazing that you're, you know, 419 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,360 it was just, you know, a few weeks ago that I was on the 420 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:53,800 track and I met your friends John Korea, right. 421 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:58,080 So, you know, very well. And that was actually before 422 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,160 Chicago, I think. Yeah. 423 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,520 So, you know, you're running down that track and you're 424 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,080 seeing someone like John Korea. And he's not the only one that's 425 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,560 like he's concurrent in Chicago. Daniel Abenio was there. 426 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,960 And you know, there's so many other top at least doing their 427 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,000 session. So for people to to be there in 428 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,120 in the heart of running worlds and really feeling like they're 429 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,880 you know, you're there where it happens, actually, you know, 430 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,320 where the Champions are being made. 431 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:25,440 And that's, that's amazing to experience. 432 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,360 Yes, absolutely. And then there is Moiben, the 433 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,680 big tarmac that everybody sees a red root. 434 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,080 Yes, yes, yes. So we normally go there on a 435 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,360 Saturday because that's the day when most Kenyans go there. 436 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:41,280 So it's the most interesting day and yeah, even that just like 437 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,400 the track, you know, you're, we do that early. 438 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,800 We often leave at six O clock in the morning, sometimes even a 439 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:52,320 little before 6 to basically when the sun rises to do our run 440 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,560 there. And one reason we do that is 441 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,640 because the Kenyans do it and you know, we want to do it in 442 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,760 the same way. And the other reason is that 443 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,760 some people will be running maybe for when 1/2 hours or 444 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,800 three hours. And yeah, before it gets really 445 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,080 hot, you want to be done with your session, right? 446 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:14,120 So you're running on this tarmac Rd. which basically is just one 447 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:17,800 long roads with small hills. And on both sides you have 448 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:21,240 fields like, you know, Mace fields, corn fields, you would 449 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,680 call it in the USI think, and, and, and, and wheat and other, 450 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,320 you know, farms and yeah, with a few on some mountains in the 451 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,280 background. And it's it's really nice. 452 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,720 So you are doing your run there and it's it's tough. 453 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,640 Of course. It's, it's yeah, it's suffering. 454 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,960 But at the same time it's beautiful because, you know, 455 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,280 while you are doing your session, you are passed by a 456 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:47,080 group of 20 Kenyans who are running at sub, you know, sub 5 457 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,360 minutes per mile or sub 3 minutes per kilometer. 458 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,320 And the other side, you have, you know, world champions and 459 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,760 world records holders passing you. 460 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:55,720 No, I mean, I'm not exaggerating. 461 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,400 That's literally what's happening, right? 462 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,880 So yeah, it's, it's really nice to to experience even for me, I 463 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,360 think, you know, I haven't been. And I, I was an elite runner 464 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:07,960 myself and I've lived here now for 18 years, but I still find 465 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,920 it a beautiful experience. Yes, I mean, who wouldn't, Who's 466 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,240 immersed in the running world and trying to keep up with the 467 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,800 sport? So Hugo, I know that there is 468 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,760 another run which is on the forest, in the forest. 469 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,080 Sorry, maybe talk about that a little bit because I know a lot 470 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,720 of people that follow anything Kenyan running on social media 471 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,280 have seen the images of that that forest before. 472 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,600 OK, Yeah, yeah. So we have actually 2 nice, 473 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,000 beautiful forests here. Yeah. 474 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,120 You can call it tropical rainforest, I guess. 475 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:36,080 It's just a forest where some people live, but not many. 476 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,800 It's mostly just lots of tall trees and very large green 477 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,240 nature. And some of the trees may have 478 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,360 some monkeys inside. And yeah, you just, you know, 479 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:46,840 run through. They actually have parts. 480 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,040 So it's not like you're just running through the Bush. 481 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:54,120 You, you're, you actually have parts where some of them cars 482 00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:58,120 can go, other parts, other, other routes cars cannot go. 483 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:00,160 But people just walk there. Yeah. 484 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,680 So we go there with our Pacers, of course, where we don't get 485 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,000 lost, right? The Pacers normally know the way 486 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,120 there. So Kenyans normally go to the 487 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:10,160 forest for an easy run because it's. 488 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,520 Yeah, it's not a very fast course, right? 489 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,680 It's it's pretty hilly, but it's a very beautiful experience. 490 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,120 I always feel like when I come inside that forest, like if you 491 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,800 have any kind of stress, it's gone, you know, because the 492 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,720 nature is just so overwhelming there. 493 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,560 So it's, yeah, it's really beautiful to run around there 494 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,720 for, you know, an hour and you feel very calm when you come out 495 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,120 of the forest. Yes, and bring your phone for a 496 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:38,280 camera opportunity because it's such a, it's such a nice area. 497 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,520 Yes, exactly. You can always bring your phone, 498 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,160 but as as part of the camp, we also have our own professional 499 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,120 photographer who goes with us on all training sessions and you 500 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:50,680 know, follows the runners and makes pictures of everyone. 501 00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:53,160 So. And at the end of each day you 502 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,240 will get a link. We have a WhatsApp group. 503 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,560 So at the end of the day, photographer posts the link in 504 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,480 the WhatsApp group and you can download all the pictures there. 505 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,920 Yeah, for free, right, so. Dress and style, Yeah, make sure 506 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,680 when you pack. Yeah, yeah. 507 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,480 I'm just kidding. All right, So for the last item 508 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,440 that we have on our itinerary that is also an active item, 509 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,680 it's we have a hike on there, which is the hike to the 510 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,560 waterfalls, which is also in a tent. 511 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,440 Since you're the local. Tell us about it, please. 512 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,200 Yeah, well, it's just one of those beautiful hikes, you know, 513 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,800 that you can make. And I know a lot of runners love 514 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,120 hiking as well and and it's nice to do that in a beautiful 515 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:34,840 natural environment, of course. So we have a hike or a walk 516 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,800 through the waterfalls, through the nature, of course. 517 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,880 And then you come to some waterfalls that are close to E10 518 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,840 where you can actually walk normally all the way down to the 519 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,080 waterfall, though last time it was a little slippery. 520 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,840 So we actually got some ropes. I bought some really long, like 521 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,880 50m long ropes. We had to tie them on some trees 522 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,720 and then go down, you know, holding the ropes to make sure 523 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,240 that people wouldn't fall down. But it worked out. 524 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,760 And yeah, beautiful. I can't wait to go on these. 525 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,360 All right, So Hugo, that covers basically all the active things, 526 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:05,880 which is a lot. We're running every day. 527 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,360 We're doing some hikes, we're seeing some beautiful sights as 528 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,320 we run, but then we're also going to do some other things 529 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,960 that are excursions. One of them that I'm heavily 530 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,520 planning is going to see the Transcend Training Academy, 531 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,040 which is the training school by John career and his brother 532 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,160 Wesley Career. If you guys are not familiar, 533 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,320 Wesley Career is a elite runner that is now retired who has won 534 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,400 Boston in the past, I think it was in 2012 or 13 ish. 535 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,200 And then his brother John who is I mean, if you don't know John 536 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,680 Career, you should definitely look him up. 537 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,480 He has won Chicago, he has won Boston and he just won Valencia. 538 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,440 So he's super fast. And the beautiful thing about 539 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,880 those two guys is that they give back to their country. 540 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,080 They didn't just leave Kenya behind in the rearview mirror 541 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,360 and seek a better life somewhere else. 542 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:59,160 They actively went back and started a school. 543 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:02,400 It's a running school, so basically all the students at 544 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,800 the school are there on a running, I don't want to call it 545 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,360 scholarship, but they qualified for that school by running. 546 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,040 I was at that school in February and visited it and I was really 547 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,560 impressed by all these kids in uniform jogging from classroom 548 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,000 to classroom in between that classes. 549 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,360 So that's one of the excursions that we are planning on doing. 550 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,000 Right, right. No, that will be amazing. 551 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,360 I think it will be really nice to see and it's something pretty 552 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,240 unique for Kenya of course as well. 553 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,520 And along with that excursion, hopefully, and this is still 554 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,160 obviously in the works, John and his brother also founded a an 555 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,680 eye clinic and a hospital. And hopefully we'll get to see a 556 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,840 little glimpse of that as well. They are further away from the 557 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,440 camp. I think it's about an hour and a 558 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,440 half commute or so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 559 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,160 I think it's about 1 1/2 hour drive or something. 560 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,160 Yes. And then we have a couple of 561 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,440 other things that are still loosely in the work works as in 562 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,880 visiting another couple of training plans. 563 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,760 So I don't want to reveal too much yet because it's not set in 564 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,080 stone yet. But other than that, we are 565 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,120 also, as you mentioned earlier, visiting the home of an elite 566 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:09,560 athlete. Yes, yes, yes. 567 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,360 So we're visiting elite runner at home. 568 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:16,920 This is normally someone who won medals at World Championships 569 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,080 and Olympic Games. And yeah, we're can be, we have 570 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,640 a different contacts, you know, so it can be a man, can be a 571 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,640 lady, but really high level. And we normally go to their home 572 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:32,280 and we watch their, you know, medal winning race together on 573 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,400 TV. And yeah, that's quite a unique 574 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,000 experience. And then, of course, we talk 575 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,080 about their lives, like, how did you end up, you know, becoming 576 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,640 this elite runner? How did you grow up? 577 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,320 How was your life? What did you learn on the way to 578 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,080 becoming an elite runner? And we can see their medals, of 579 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,520 course, that they won. And, you know, put it around our 580 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,440 neck and make pictures. And, you know, the Kenyans are, 581 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,920 as, you know, of course, like, you know, with Kenyans, it 582 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,600 doesn't matter if you're a beginning runner or you're the 583 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,200 Olympic champion. They're all humble, right? 584 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,840 It's, they are not. They don't become different. 585 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,080 They don't change. You know, what you sometimes see 586 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,400 in, in, Yeah, in, in many other countries where if people become 587 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,560 a certain level, they, you know, they get so much attention from 588 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,320 others maybe that they become a little distant or a little 589 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,160 arrogant. Even. 590 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:19,840 That doesn't really happen in Kenya. 591 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,600 I think in the Kenyan culture and especially in the Kalenjin 592 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,200 culture, it's important for people to be part of the 593 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,120 community and to be humble. And yeah, they feel like that's, 594 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,360 that's how you should be, you know, to to live a good life. 595 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,640 So, yeah, people are very down to earth. 596 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,960 And then they welcome us because we know them, of course, and and 597 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,520 we sit down with them. So that's one of the things we 598 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,720 you can also visit an upcoming runner and see that difference, 599 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,240 right? So like, how does the elite 600 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,320 runner live? And how does the younger up and 601 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,520 coming runner live? And how do they, Because you 602 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,280 know, the elite runner, as you will see, they, they live in a 603 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,120 pretty luxurious house, but the upcoming runners, that's a 604 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,680 pretty tough life. You know, they basically live in 605 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,680 a one room apartment that is living room, bedroom and kitchen 606 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,040 in one, right. Then there's just enough space 607 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:17,200 for a bed and that's it. And yeah, so we visit them, we, 608 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,120 we, we look at their life. Yeah. 609 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,920 So this is this is one of the experience that we want people 610 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,560 to, you know, to be inspired by this. 611 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,680 And then and of course, also to to understand, you know, how 612 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,960 people go from, yeah, I don't want to say from wretched to 613 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,520 rich, but, yeah. From the simple life that they 614 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,920 have when they're young to making it at the world stage. 615 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,960 Right. So. 616 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,080 Yeah. And I think also part of that is 617 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,240 the visit to the Kalenjin Hut. So we have like contacts with 618 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,960 the family that, you know, the majority of people also in Kenya 619 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,200 live in houses made of either stones or iron sheets. 620 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,880 But there's still a few families that live in a traditional Hut, 621 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,960 which is basically made of sticks and clay and mud. 622 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,560 And, and this is how the majority of Kenyan elite runners 623 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,720 that you watch on TV, this is how they grew up, you know, 25 624 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,080 years ago or 30 years ago when they were young, right? 625 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,440 So, yeah, we want to give people also that experience and then to 626 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,960 see how that kind of that life is. 627 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,840 So we are welcomed by a family. We go to their heart. 628 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,160 They they prepare some food for us there. 629 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,400 They welcome us inside, show us some kind of traditional way of 630 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,480 living the the the mattresses they use made of. 631 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,240 So the mattress actually is made of the skin of a cow. 632 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,480 And then, yeah, for us to really, we had a good feeling of 633 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,040 gaining a way of life. Yes, absolutely. 634 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,880 Again, it's the cultural immersion for me and probably 635 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,760 most travelers. And then of course, the altitude 636 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,600 and everything else, depending on how serious you are with your 637 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,600 training. Yeah, so that's basically what 638 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,760 we have on the agenda. Again, there's a lot of stuff 639 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,640 that's still in the works, which hopefully will pan out by the 640 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,240 time the camp gets there. But rest assured, nobody will 641 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,640 get bored at this camp. There is also plenty of 642 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,120 restaurants and there's bars in the tent, correct? 643 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,560 Yes, yes, yes. We have some visit to 644 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,600 restaurants on the program which are also included in the price, 645 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,160 right. So there is a beautiful 646 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,760 restaurant just about 15 minutes walk away from the camp where 647 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,840 people can go for a glass of wine if they want for ice cream. 648 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:30,040 It's actually owned by a Belgian man and he set it up 25 years 649 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,840 ago. So we are lucky to have, you 650 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,480 know, the best of both worlds. We have the beautiful nature of 651 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,000 Africa, but at the same time, you can order a Chateau Brie 652 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,360 dish with a glass of good French wine, you know. 653 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,120 So, yeah, we are lucky to have that as well. 654 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,400 And. And as runners, you. 655 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,760 Yeah, I, I always they'll run is like, it's a beautiful place, 656 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,760 but you don't want to live in that restaurant because you'll 657 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,680 go home probably heavier than when you arrived here. 658 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,240 But it's really great that you can go there, you know, once or 659 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,400 twice a week to, you know, yeah, give yourself a treat after a 660 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,680 hard workout. Yes, yes, absolutely. 661 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,560 And then the schools, we didn't even touch on the schools yet, 662 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,600 which I completely forget, forgot you are involved in a 663 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,600 school. And then during this particular 664 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,320 trip, we know that some of or a lot of the attendees have some 665 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,320 background with schooling and want to get involved, not just 666 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,320 visiting a school as we're going to do with John Career School, 667 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,120 but maybe get a little bit more involved. 668 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,720 Maybe tell us a little bit about that. 669 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,480 Well, yeah, yeah. So my wife and I, we used to do 670 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,840 stuff, you know, with the money that we earned. 671 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,680 But then at some point, you realize, like, there's only so 672 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,960 much you can do if you used your own money. 673 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,840 So back in 2012, actually, we were in Boulder at the time in 674 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,760 the US preparing for the 2012 Olympics. 675 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,720 At least my wife was preparing for the Olympics. 676 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,400 I was recovering from an injury and cycling next to her on our 677 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,640 workout. So then we got the idea of 678 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,240 starting a charitable foundation, right? 679 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,440 So we started at Quebec for Kids and we said we want to help the 680 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,200 really the kids who need it most, right? 681 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,440 So, and the children who need most help, the impoverished 682 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,440 communities in Kenya, they rely on the public services, right? 683 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,520 The public hospitals and the public schools. 684 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,280 And often the quality there is just substandard. 685 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,840 It's not good enough. And then what you get is that at 686 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,639 the end of the primary school, everyone does the same national 687 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,800 exam. But you have, you know, the 688 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,880 children from rich parents, they go to a good private school to 689 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,679 get the best education. They score much better in that 690 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:32,679 exam than children from public schools who sometimes, you know, 691 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,719 you have 80 children per classroom, sometimes two classes 692 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,280 in one room. So half the children face to the 693 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,719 blackboard on one side and the other half of the blackboard on 694 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,280 the other side. They don't have enough 695 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,880 equipment. And of course, then in the end 696 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,920 they do the national like some and they fail basically they and 697 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,719 then that really impacts the whole rest of their life because 698 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,360 they can't go to university and sometimes they become dropouts, 699 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,120 right? So we said like, hey, if we 700 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,320 help, you know, with public education to improve that, then 701 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,960 we are helping the children that need it most. 702 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,280 So that's what we did. We've done 3 projects now where 703 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,720 basically we set up a whole public primary school, which 704 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:12,720 means that the school is completely for free for all the 705 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,280 children in the community. The teachers are paid by the 706 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,480 Kenyan government, but we take care of the infrastructure. 707 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,600 So we build the classrooms, you know, the sanitary block, the, 708 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,480 how do you call it, the administration block, but also, 709 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,960 you know, the desks and the chairs and the books, the all 710 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,960 the educational materials that are needed. 711 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,200 Yeah, basically everything apart from the salaries for all the 712 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,360 staff and the teachers. But that's what we do at schools 713 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,960 will be open. So it will be really nice for 714 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,680 people to meet with the kids. You know, there, there will be 715 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,160 there's around 200, two, 140 children, I think in the school. 716 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,280 And then, yeah, they will welcome us. 717 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,680 And it's nice to meet the teachers and, you know, the 718 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,760 children and and the get to see, you know, this basically normal 719 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,160 life at the normal Kenyan school. 720 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,920 Yes. And that just sounds really 721 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,080 wonderful and I'm really glad that you and your wife decided 722 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,480 to do that. It's just, and I'm glad that we 723 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,960 get the opportunity to actually kind of get involved with that 724 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,520 as well. So thank you for that. 725 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,320 Yeah, You know, that's funny actually, that you mentioned 726 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,320 that. So for a long time I didn't 727 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,400 really want to take people there because I felt like, I don't 728 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,760 know, I've always had a bit of an attitude of or mentality of 729 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,680 like, if you want to do something good, you don't have 730 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,520 to talk about it. You just do it, you know. 731 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,160 So I felt a little bit shy kind of to take people to one of our 732 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,560 projects as if it was a way of boasting in a way about it. 733 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,360 But then I did it one time and then because people asked about 734 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,040 it and then they were so excited about it, they said you should, 735 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,200 you know, next month you should take our friends who are coming. 736 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,400 You should take them there. And then I took the other group 737 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,520 there and they were also so excited that in the end I said, 738 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,320 OK, people like it, so let me take them there. 739 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,880 And I think it was a good decision because generally many 740 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,160 people love to connect with the community and also many people 741 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,640 like to contribute something, right? 742 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,400 So you come to Kenya and then if you can, whether it's bringing 743 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:03,560 some supplies or donating, you know, $50 or whatever, you know, 744 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,440 many people end up actually helping out and, you know, and, 745 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,120 and that makes the children happy. 746 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,000 It improves life for them. And at the same time, the people 747 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,480 who come here, they also feel like I'm not just benefiting 748 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,720 from Kenya, but Kenya is also benefiting from me because I'm 749 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,960 doing something back, you know, for, for Kenya. 750 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,960 So yeah, it's really nice. Yeah. 751 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,560 Absolutely. It's a complete win, win 752 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,960 situation for for everybody. I feel. 753 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,160 I feel like this is as high on my list of things to do while in 754 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:36,200 Kenya as is the safari which is an add on option that our 755 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,920 campers get after completing the 10 day nine nights camp in at 756 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,760 Hugo's place. After completing the camp there 757 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,760 is the option to go on a safari which is 2 days one night which 758 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,880 is also amazing. I know you're having a tour 759 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,680 operator that helps out with that, but maybe just tell our 760 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,320 audience a little bit about what can be seen and why someone 761 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,280 should not go to Kenya without stopping by a safari. 762 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,920 Well, yeah, of course it's, you know, Kenya is one of those 763 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,560 countries with those national reserve, those wildlife 764 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,000 reserves, right, where you can find lions and cheetah, 765 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,400 buffaloes and rhinos and monkeys and flamingos and, you know, war 766 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,120 dogs and all these animals just completely in the wild, in their 767 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,960 own natural, how do you say habitat, right? 768 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,960 So rather than, you know, once you've been in one of those 769 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,280 parks, you don't want to go to a zoo anymore because you feel bad 770 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,840 for those animals being in cages. 771 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,760 I mean, there it's like, I don't know how many acres, probably 772 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,320 500 acres, 1000 acres of land. And yeah, you're driving through 773 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,440 it in the environment of the animals, right? 774 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:48,000 So you, you can't really get out of the car because of the risk. 775 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,120 It would be dangerous. It's not allowed even. 776 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,560 But you, you drive around with a car in a safari car that has an 777 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,840 open roof, right? Or it has a roof that can be 778 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,080 open. So you, you can stand up and you 779 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,080 can look around and you can see everything very good. 780 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,080 And as you, you know, try to support the animals. 781 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,520 And yeah, it's a little bit of search, of course, because 782 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,760 they're not sitting ready for you, you know, when you're 783 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,840 coming in. They're just doing their stuff 784 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,960 and they go about their life. And yeah, you can see lots of 785 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,280 lots of animals there at Lake Nakura. 786 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,520 I just came from there. Actually. 787 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,000 I hadn't been there for two years. 788 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,640 But this week we went there with our family and yeah, we saw 789 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,960 lions, lots of zebras, buffaloes, rhinos, hippos, so 790 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,880 many animals, you know. So it's, it's really nice to see 791 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,520 and to. Yeah. 792 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,920 So for our two days safari, you drive there, it's about four 793 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,280 hours drive, but it's a very beautiful drive where you cross 794 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,320 the Ecuador the way. So we stop there, make some 795 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,760 pictures there and get some souvenirs and a couple of nice 796 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,600 points on the way with beautiful nature and beautiful views. 797 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,400 And then you go inside the park, you guys around there for a 798 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,080 couple of hours. You sleep inside the park at the 799 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,480 guest house. Our we have a chef there. 800 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,480 I mean, doesn't belong to us, but we employ a chef there who 801 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,440 makes dinner for the guests and, you know, and breakfast and 802 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:10,600 yeah, then you drive around the park again the next morning from 803 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,920 maybe 6:30 in the morning up to around 11:00 or so. 804 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,920 And then you. You know, you leave the park, so 805 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,120 yeah, you spend all afternoon and a whole morning driving 806 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,680 through the park watching the wildlife. 807 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,520 Which is absolutely gorgeous. And it's completely true what 808 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,800 you said. After my experience in the 809 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,160 Kenyan safari, I was in Sydney and I went to the zoo and I went 810 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,000 to the African area where they had the lions. 811 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,720 And I was just thinking, wow, now that I've seen these animals 812 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:42,240 in the real wild, this engagement just seems cruel, 813 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,480 right? I mean, I know it's an ethical 814 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,720 snow in Sydney. So I, you know, that's why I 815 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:48,880 ended up going there. I also went, they had the 816 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,120 runners press conference there. So that's, you know, that's 817 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,160 where they hosted it. It's a beautiful sight, right? 818 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,720 Because you overview Sydney from the zoo, which is on a hill. 819 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,400 But again, you know, it's, it's not the same as seeing the 820 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,080 animals in nature. And just imagine when you're in 821 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,320 Kenya in the morning, you see the lions feeding on a Buffalo 822 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,520 and you're thinking, wow, while I was sleeping, they went on a 823 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,720 hunt and they did all this. And then you're at the zoo where 824 00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:17,720 these animals are just lazily being fed, not life animals. 825 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:19,800 You know that. So it's, it's really different. 826 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,480 It puts stuff into perspective a lot. 827 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,160 Yes, yes, at least the Buffalo would be happy to be in the zoo, 828 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,200 probably if he's alive in the zoo, not eaten by a lion. 829 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,000 But yeah, I agree with you that it's it's very different. 830 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,400 Of course, the zoos have a place in this world, and they probably 831 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,560 do a lot of good stuff as well, like, you know, trying to make 832 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,120 sure that, you know, certain animal species don't get 833 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,240 extinct, right, breeding them. But yeah, it's definitely being 834 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:48,320 in the wild. It's like you feel like how the 835 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,720 world is supposed to be, basically, you know, and it's, 836 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,920 it's a small paradise in a way. And of course, it's a dangerous 837 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,320 paradise as well. You know, either you eat or 838 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,360 you're eaten, but yeah. It's definitely a circle of life 839 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,560 type of thing. But yeah, so that concludes 840 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,000 everything that you should know or want to know about this camp 841 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,320 that we are hosting in Kenya. Again, the dates for this 842 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,240 particular camp is going to be February 16th through February 843 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,800 25. We still have spots available. 844 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,960 As Hugo mentioned earlier, there are single rooms, but most 845 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,920 pricing that you'll see on the website is based on double 846 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,200 occupancy. And then if you pay extra, 847 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:28,160 there's single rooms available or until we run out. 848 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,840 And that's basically it. So if you are interested, you 849 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:36,600 can go to our website, which is run campkenya.com, which directs 850 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,120 you then for signing up to Hugo's camp website where we 851 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,360 have the itinerary. Again, it's a loose itinerary 852 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,680 because things are changing as we are finalizing them. 853 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,880 If you are interested, reach out to us. 854 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,440 We are also going to add you to our WhatsApp group if that's the 855 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,520 case. And yeah, that's basically it, 856 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,640 right? So thank you Hugo for coming on 857 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,720 being with me. Many people will come, come 858 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:02,600 here, join us, and it will be amazing, It will be fun, it will 859 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,480 make you stronger as a runner, it will be an unforgettable 860 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,040 experience. It will change your running 861 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,800 career and it will change your life. 862 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,000 Thank you, Hugo for speaking with me. 863 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,520 I'm very excited and again, you guys that are listening that are 864 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,440 thinking about joining, send me a message on Instagram. 865 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,240 I'm at running podcast or find our website, run Camp Kenya and 866 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,960 send us a message through there. We have plenty of space, as I 867 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,640 said, and we are super excited for this adventure. 868 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:33,480 I think it's good too, for anyone that's really into 869 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,840 running kind of a sea where those top athletes are coming 870 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,760 from and how it's developed, the whole training and culture and 871 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,400 everything in that part of the world. 872 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,480 Yes, exactly so. So even if you don't go, you can 873 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,720 listen and live vicariously through the people that do get 874 00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:51,400 to go. Yes, absolutely. 875 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,200 Follow us along. We're going to be posting plenty 876 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,840 of the trip on Instagram just so that you guys can see what 877 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,120 you're seeing out of and then. You can go next year or the year 878 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,720 after. So Eddie, what's the cost? 879 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,320 Yeah. So the cost is actually Pretty 880 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,960 Little, Ryan. It's going to be 1500 per person 881 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,520 for shared room. I think it's about $300 more if 882 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,120 you want your own room. And so that includes room, 883 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,960 board, food, Pacers and all the trips that are included. 884 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,360 It does not include the add on safari. 885 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,240 The reason being that those safari parks charge you I think 886 00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:25,960 100 bucks a day just for being on the park. 887 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,880 So I think that's an extra $350.00 or something like that. 888 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,680 But again, check out the website www.runcampkenya.com or you can 889 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,840 send me a direct message or you can get in touch with Hugo. 890 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,240 Everything will be and I hope that this conversation sparked 891 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:42,280 an interest in you guys and you will consider going. 892 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,400 Yeah, and if you're on the fence, follow the blogs and the 893 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,840 Instagrams and see what people to say about it to maybe go next 894 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,160 time. Yes, absolutely. 895 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,240 And Ryan, this episode is actually the airing the week 896 00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:57,200 before or the week of Christmas. So how are you feeling about 897 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,120 Christmas coming up? Are you ready for it? 898 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:00,680 I'm ready. You did all your shopping 899 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,880 already? Not quite yet, I got some last 900 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,560 minute shopping you. Got two days? 901 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,320 Then you have time for you. So I guess with that, we should 902 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,200 be recording a New Year's resolution episode for the week 903 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,000 of almost at Halloween for the week of New Year's. 904 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,120 That is when people start to run and exercise more. 905 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,840 Yes. So we should probably do a 906 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,000 little reflection and looking back on 2025 and everything it 907 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,720 brought to us and running and how lucky we are that we are 908 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,600 able bodied to do that and look forward into 2026 and talk to 909 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,760 you guys about everything that'll be happening and 910 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,000 encourage everyone a little bit. Yeah, to see how long they can 911 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,720 stick with it, stay the whole year. 912 00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:39,760 I mean, runners usually do, especially if they're listening 913 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,400 to a podcast, right? That's true. 914 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,360 I mean, it is December, so they haven't formed their New Year's 915 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,160 resolutions yet, and so these people are probably the ones 916 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,360 that have made it through the whole year. 917 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,360 Very true. All right, guys, until next 918 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,840 time. Have a good weekend running. 919 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,240 Thanks for tuning in. For more information, go to 920 00:45:57,240 --> 00:46:02,960 www.marathonrunningpodcast.com or check us out on all channels.