1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,320 You're listening to episode 270 of the Marathon Running Podcast. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,800 In this episode, we talked to a fellow runner who went through 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,600 kidney transplants, survived pancreatic cancer, ran through 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,240 it all, and now seeks to inspire and help others. 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,280 This is the Marathon Running Podcast with Letty and Ryan. 6 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:22,000 Join us for weekly content on all things running and let us 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,720 take you from the starting line to the finish line and beyond. 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,040 Hey runners, and welcome to episode 270. 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,040 My name is Letty. My name is Ryan. 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,280 And we are back, because it's Monday with another episode of 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,000 the Marathon Running Podcast. So what's new with you, Letty? 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,320 Oh, not much, just getting ready to head back to good old 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,440 Florida. For those of you that haven't 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,960 noticed, because of our Instagram accounts and 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,000 everything else, we spent the summer in Germany. 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,400 Had a blast of a time and now it's time to go back because 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,400 school starts back up for our little ones. 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,360 I'm also excited to head back into the heat and I guess do 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,720 some heat training. So are you excited to get back 20 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,640 home? It's always nice to be home. 21 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,160 And you don't mind the heat either? 22 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,800 Not when we have water nearby. Yes, we have water nearby. 23 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,080 We're fortunate with that. Also, we have a pool. 24 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,360 So I mean, I guess most people in Florida have pools. 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,000 So that is a really nice perk to have because it does get really, 26 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,680 really hot. As for the running, of course 27 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,400 it's better to be running in the early mornings just because it 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,080 gets so hot. But I mean even during the day 29 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,720 it's you acclimate, right? A little bit, yeah. 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,520 I guess you do get used to it, it seems to me. 31 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,040 Not so bad if you've. Done it exactly. 32 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,000 But I would have to say that the running weather in Germany is a 33 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,760 bit nicer. It does cool down in the 34 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,400 evenings and it's fresh in the morning. 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,560 So yeah. So today's podcast, you want to 36 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,800 talk about that. Let's get into it so we have a 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,480 lot to be thankful for, including our health and 38 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,800 happiness. It is nice hearing the 39 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,400 inspirational stories. It also helps to put things in 40 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,680 perspective, so any little challenges that we might think 41 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,880 we have are always dwarfed by people with bigger issues, and 42 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,040 so we could just be fortunate that we're able to run and 43 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,200 enjoy. It I agree with you, 44 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,520 gratefulness is important and our hurdles, I mean, I guess 45 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,440 they're all relative, right? But it's good to have 46 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,520 perspective. Yes, so that he tell us about 47 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,080 the guests today. Yeah. 48 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,240 So today's guest is Kelly, who I know from our running club. 49 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,720 He has a very inspirational story and we chatted a couple 50 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,920 months ago and he said, you know, I could be a guest on your 51 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:38,520 podcast. And I thought that was a great 52 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,200 idea. I hadn't asked him in the past 53 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,440 just because I feel like people's stories are very 54 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,720 personal and not everybody wants to share. 55 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,120 But he offered. So Kelly has been through a lot. 56 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:53,240 He had type 1 diabetes and. Diabetes. 57 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:58,400 Diabetes and then at age 41 he had kidney failure and while 58 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:03,520 waiting for a donor, they found a tumor on his pancreas and he 59 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,600 had to deal with pancreatic cancer. 60 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,920 He survived both and he used running as a tool. 61 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,560 It was a super inspirational conversation that I had with him 62 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,160 and I think we can learn a lot from his attitude. 63 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,280 Cool, that sounds good. Do you want to get into? 64 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,120 It sure. So without any further ado, I'm 65 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,320 now going to play my conversation with Kelly. 66 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,000 All right, so I'm on here with Kelly Moore. 67 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,680 Man. Kelly, thank you so much for 68 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,640 coming on and speaking with me today. 69 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,560 You're welcome. Awesome. 70 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,200 So we're going to talk about everything that's going on in 71 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,640 your life today, and it's a pretty amazing story, but let's 72 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,120 hop right into that. Maybe you can start by telling 73 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,000 us a little bit about your background and how you got into 74 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,080 running originally. So growing up as a kid, you 75 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,560 know, I was like back in the 70s, yes, I'm that old. 76 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,240 Everybody who ran around was, there were no video games. 77 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:00,560 So we just like kids, boys got out and ran around and, and 78 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,160 sometimes, you know, I never had a bicycle and all the other kids 79 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,240 did. So I'd have to run alongside on 80 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,760 their riding. And that was younger than 81 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,680 growing up getting into junior high, although our kids were big 82 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,040 into like group sports. Well, the only thing I was 83 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,400 really happily decent with was getting out and running in gym 84 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,240 class. And so that's pretty much where 85 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,440 that started, being more focused on running. 86 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:36,800 Then when I got into high school I got involved with the cross 87 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,280 country team and cross country and track. 88 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:43,880 I like that long distance and that's pretty much where I got 89 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,000 started. Just why don't we be mobile and 90 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,040 active and keep moving? But then also, you know, your 91 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,400 first little hurdle happened at age 12 when you were diagnosed 92 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,400 with diabetes. How did that affect your 93 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,240 relationship with sports and running or just being a teenager 94 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:04,160 in general? I think it, it was kind of, you 95 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,280 know, you're diabetic, but I didn't have people try telling 96 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:11,560 me to, oh, you can't do this. I think part of it is that I did 97 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:16,960 have one doctor try telling me not to do anything and within 98 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,600 two weeks of being a normal teenager, I went into a 99 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:28,880 hypoglycemic episode. And so it's like, listen, I'm a 100 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,160 I'm a teenage boy. I'm not going to be sitting 101 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,520 around on my butt the all time. This is why I do so I think it 102 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:39,520 was mindset of do it because some people say don't I'm like, 103 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,480 no, I'm, I'm not going to put my life on hold. 104 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:44,680 I'm just going to keep on doing it. 105 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,320 And it was a set form of what I could do. 106 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,920 I knew I could do it. I knew how to live my life 107 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,080 around it. And my parents were like, no, 108 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,400 you're not going to sit around. You're going to be up and you're 109 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,520 going to move and you're going to learn to live with what you 110 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,880 have. And you know, don't, don't let 111 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,920 this stuff hold you back and just get out and do it. 112 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,480 And then you had the next hurdle at age 41 when you had kidney 113 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,160 failure. But maybe you can talk to us a 114 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,200 little bit about what happened beforehand. 115 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,800 Was everything just normal and this was something that came on 116 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:27,040 suddenly or how did that happen? Well, I I was always running 117 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,600 like said with cross country in high school. 118 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,440 And then you just don't stop it. You get there running blood and 119 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,600 you just keep on going. And you know, through my late 120 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,520 teens, early 20s and early 30s, that kept on just doing that 121 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,040 running. I always had a set of focus. 122 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,080 Even though many things in my life may have changed with 123 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:55,760 careers, relationships, That was one thing I knew I couldn't do. 124 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,920 It wasn't something like, oh, well, your run is going to 125 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:01,800 change because everything else has changed. 126 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,720 It's like, no, you can throw in a pair of shoes and you can get 127 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,720 out there, get the pavement and just get moving, let the other 128 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,880 stuff, you know, go in the background. 129 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,000 That was my escape from the chaos of my life. 130 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,680 And so I just kept on doing the activity. 131 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,280 And even though I know there were times where my health, 132 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:30,240 yeah, there were certain things with my health did change, I 133 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:35,520 again, coming back to that same focus area, I can keep moving, 134 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:41,840 keeping my legs moving. I knew by exercising that it 135 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,840 would keep my health in better control than what it would have 136 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,360 not. Yeah, yeah. 137 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,280 And then the tell us about when you had kidney failure. 138 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,600 How did that come on and what did it feel like? 139 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:02,000 So the with the diabetes, there's always going to be that 140 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,440 fear and maybe not fear, but knowledge that you're going to 141 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,840 probably have kidney failure somewhere. 142 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:15,520 Looking at everybody, I do a lot of different speaking and look 143 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,600 at different groups with people who are type 1 diabetic. 144 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:25,680 And the only person I think I ever saw who never had a kidney 145 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,320 issue may have been Mary Tyler Moore, because that's because 146 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,159 she had so many millions. She always had a life coach 147 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,400 watching everything she did. I would say I know so many type 148 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,720 1 diabetics whose kidneys have eventually failed. 149 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,679 I kind of knew that I would be doing having it. 150 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:49,640 I even worked as a hemodialysis tech at one time to see what I 151 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:56,720 would be going into. And so with my life, I planned 152 00:08:57,560 --> 00:09:02,160 on something happening. And so when they did say, oh, 153 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,960 your kidneys are pretty much kaput, I did take it as like 154 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:12,640 freaking out. But I pretty much looked at how 155 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,480 to adjust my life and I adjusted it. 156 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:21,560 Running at that point in time did come to a standoff because 157 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,000 it that was tough for me physically. 158 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,920 I would still get out and would try to do as much as I could, 159 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:35,080 but that really, you know, bluntly sucked. 160 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,480 It just it, it just drained what I had in me. 161 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,320 I I still had a positive outlook thinking all right. 162 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:49,360 And again, get this because at the same time they told me the 163 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:54,760 event also put me on an organ transplant for the double organ 164 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,360 transplant. And so I had the aspect of 165 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,480 looking forward to what I could do and what I could do in the 166 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,160 future. OK, let me take a little step 167 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,880 back for those of us not in the medical field, because 168 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,480 obviously, I mean you guys can't see him, but I can, he is. 169 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,440 Tell us real quick what you do for a living. 170 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:19,520 So I'm a licensed practical nurse at the VA OK for a 171 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,200 President's fair healthcare system. 172 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,560 So you're very well into the medical system and for those of 173 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:30,160 us that are not and have been lucky enough to not really know 174 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,680 anyone that has been through kidney failure and things as 175 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:37,520 such, when your kidney fails, what is the prognosis and what 176 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,520 are the potential treatments for that? 177 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:45,120 So with kidney failure, their kidneys are what filters out all 178 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,600 the toxins, the waste products your body develops. 179 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:53,680 And so they you pretty much urinate all those toxins out. 180 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:58,840 So if your kidneys are not filtering out the toxins, they 181 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,360 just stay in your body. And so the treatment for kidney 182 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,320 failure is what's called dialysis. 183 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,800 And dialysis, it pretty much cleans your blood. 184 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,760 That's just a very simple layman's term for it. 185 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,400 But if there's like two different forms, one where 186 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,520 everybody hears about the dialysis centers where they have 187 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:25,000 your blood filtered through another filtering system. 188 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,920 And then I had what was called a peritoneal, where your body's 189 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:35,880 organs, one organ particularly is used as a filter. 190 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,400 And so that is pretty much the treatment. 191 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,440 So a large percentage people, I said where they will filter your 192 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,560 blood, that's done every other day, usually for about four 193 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:53,560 hours a day. So some people go Monday, 194 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:57,440 Tuesday or Monday, Wednesday, Friday, some will do Tuesday, 195 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,320 Thursday, Saturday. You go to a dialysis clinic, the 196 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,160 put the needles in your veins and they run it through a 197 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,680 machine or as I said before, about four hours, and that 198 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:13,320 really takes a lot of the person. 199 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,320 I had what was called a puritanial dialysis, where the 200 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,520 body's organ lining is used as a filter. 201 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:28,960 I had fluids put in my abdomen, which was a high sugar solution, 202 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,480 which would suck the fluids into that. 203 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,440 I would then drain it. I for the first month, I would 204 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:39,560 do that every four hours after my abdomen got used to the 205 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:42,760 fluid. I would have the treatment every 206 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,720 night when I would sleep, or I would put fluids in my abdomen, 207 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,280 drain it out, put the fluid, let it dwell or let it suck up the 208 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,240 extra fluids and then we drain out. 209 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,360 It was on a machine, kind of like an IV pump, where we just 210 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:01,920 push fluid in me and out. So I had my days to be able to 211 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,560 do stuff, which was a really nice way to do things. 212 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:09,400 But it's not for everybody. Everybody's different. 213 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:12,520 Everybody needs to have a different type of treatment. 214 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,440 The one thing I would say with the type of treatment I did is 215 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,600 you really need to be very almost OCD. 216 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,680 It has to be a very, very, very clean. 217 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,840 Otherwise you can develop an infection. 218 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:32,200 It's a lot to learn. For me, I think the reason I was 219 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:37,000 able to deal with it is because I've been in healthcare for over 220 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:42,800 20 years. The overall long term treatment 221 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,560 would be for having an organ donation. 222 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:53,440 So having a donor kidney placed in in you because your kidneys 223 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,280 just are completely shot. OK. 224 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:58,080 Wow. OK. 225 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,360 So then at what point did you know that you or kidneys needed 226 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:08,240 a transplant? I was told that someday I would 227 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:13,360 eventually and through about 3 months before they told me they 228 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,800 were dead, They said, oh, you've got about 5 months or, or five 229 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,640 years, five. That five years only turned to 230 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:25,520 three months and they went completely out. 231 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:32,200 So I got on the list for the transplant and it took I went on 232 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,400 dialysis for about 9 months and I got the organ transplant which 233 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,920 was a 2 for one organ transplant. 234 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,960 I received a pancreas at the same time as I received my 235 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:47,800 kidney and they leave the old organ and that was which had the 236 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,800 cancer on it. The reason I received the two 237 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,480 organs is because everybody in the United States is eligible 238 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:01,120 for a kidney transplant if with the kidney failure, but they 239 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,400 also look say why are we going to sit there a transplant kidney 240 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,080 in you if you've got a defective pancreas which caused the kidney 241 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,920 failure in the 1st place because I had a defective and what the 242 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:18,440 diabetes is a defective pancreas which led to the kidney failure. 243 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:24,520 So they give a new pancreas to produce the insulin to keep the 244 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,640 kidney from failing. Perfect. 245 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:32,080 And then the old pancreas, is it standard procedure that they 246 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,360 leave that in? Yes, it's it's actually harder 247 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,160 to remove the even if the organs aren't working because the 248 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,440 pancreas, even though most people think it produces the 249 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:49,000 insulin, yes, it does produce insulin, but it also produces 250 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,920 many different digestive juices which are still producing. 251 00:15:54,920 --> 00:16:02,400 So my new my, my recycled pancreas, it's doing really 252 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,160 well. When they did the actual, when 253 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,560 they did the operation, they visually looked at all my organs 254 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:17,680 inside and they saw a 5mm cyst on my native pancreas. 255 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:25,360 They watched that cyst grow from 5mm to 25 millimeters in two 256 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,440 years and they then said it needs to come off. 257 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:35,800 And so the procedure is called born layman's term is called a 258 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:41,520 Whipple procedure. And so that was where they did 259 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,720 another operation. They took, they went up to the 260 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,400 pancreas. I took the tumor off. 261 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:54,320 So about half the pancreas which had the tumor, my gallbladder, 262 00:16:54,640 --> 00:17:00,400 18 lymph nodes and then they had to reattach what was left at the 263 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,440 pancreas to another part of my intestines. 264 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:11,680 And so then, then about it was after they did the biopsy or 265 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,119 they did the social inspection, all that tumor, they found a 266 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:23,599 center or the middle 5mm of the full 25mm of being or malignant 267 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:29,200 cancerous. So I I dodged a that was the 268 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,000 third boat in my life. I dodged. 269 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,840 What did you think? How did that make you feel? 270 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:41,680 And for me, it was like, OK, I, yeah, I'm pretty much a 271 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:47,080 realistic, A realist with a very optimistic outlook. 272 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,000 I figure whatever's going to happen to me is going to happen 273 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,320 to me. Whatever if you want to call it 274 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,640 a higher power or if you're religious, you want to speak 275 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,040 whatever that higher power is, there's always something with 276 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,680 that positive thinking. And the more positive thinking 277 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:09,800 you have, the more positive outlook and positive outcome 278 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,960 you're going to have. So I looked at everything that 279 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,520 was out there. I talked to the many different 280 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,200 doctors. I did my research to see what's 281 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:25,360 going on and even after having the completion of the 282 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:28,600 transplant, between the transplant and then having the 283 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:36,200 cancer I got, I was still went back into those into the running 284 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,240 and always figured you got to keep moving, keep moving, keep 285 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:45,920 moving, keep moving and just don't slow down because the more 286 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,120 you move, the healthier body's going to be. 287 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,760 That's, that was my outlook. Just, you know, keep it going. 288 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,800 So. Yeah, yeah. 289 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,760 So in the midst of it, I mean, because obviously you are in 290 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,880 healthcare and you know, the prognosis for pancreatic cancer 291 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,240 is usually a really bad one. I'm surprised that they watched 292 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:12,480 a 5mm grow into two point, I mean a 2.5 centimeter one just 293 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,560 because it is such an aggressive type of cancer, right? 294 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:21,080 Yes, it is. And that's why they took it out. 295 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,600 What they did. There's it's, it's such a 296 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,520 complicated reason as to why this could be a whole another 297 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,480 podcast just on its own. So I received a kidney and a 298 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,120 pancreas the first time. That was in 2011. 299 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,480 And that's when they noticed the cyst and then they watched it. 300 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,480 And then in August of 2013 is when I had the Whipple 301 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,640 procedure, the pancreatic cancer surgery. 302 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:54,880 Yeah. So I I went and even with after 303 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,360 each of the surgeries because these were two major life 304 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:06,200 changing surgeries 2 years apart and with I was up walking around 305 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,960 within a day and a half of each of the surgeries. 306 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,600 Just I knew to keep moving the first with after the transplant, 307 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,920 the double organ transplant. I was. 308 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:21,800 The first day I just laid in bed. 309 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,640 The second day I was up walked 1/4 mile. 310 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:30,120 The third day was up to half mile. 4th day is up to a mile of 311 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:32,280 walking. Where did you get that strength 312 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,760 from? Because I'm assuming at this 313 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,400 point, you know by the time you get to the operating table, 314 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,720 you're not really doing any kind of walking. 315 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,320 It yeah, it's, I was still doing some walking, but not as much as 316 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,720 I did the strength. I people ask me this question 317 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:54,720 all the time and I don't know if it's just that, you know, 318 00:20:55,120 --> 00:21:00,600 optimism, you know, have a, you know, a perpetual optimism. 319 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,240 I figure you just got to keep going. 320 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:10,800 If something, if, if it's your time, it's your time, but don't 321 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,640 hasten that time. You know, keep going. 322 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,200 If things work for you, great. If they don't, you know, it's 323 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,000 it, it's just the way things are. 324 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,200 Things happen, you know, you know, going back to where I said 325 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:31,360 before, you know, at times things suck, but you, you, you 326 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:36,080 just don't give up. You just have to keep going and 327 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,320 looking what you can do. If it comes through the time, 328 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:46,080 OK, it's it's the time, but just don't say, well, it's going to 329 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,560 happen, so why do anything but you? 330 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:54,160 You do have a choice to do. So the thought I'm done running 331 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,280 never really crossed your mind. No, it was like I'm going to get 332 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,720 back to running. I love this. 333 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,120 I love this so much. So tell us, remind us again when 334 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:10,320 that last surgery was? So the last surgery was in 2013 335 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:18,080 and I again with that last surgery, they had me in the bed. 336 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,280 They had physical therapy come in to help me out of the bed 337 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,920 into a chair, said I'll be back in about two hours to get you 338 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,760 back in bed. After an hour and a half sitting 339 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,360 in the chair, it's like, Nah, I'm getting up, I'm getting back 340 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:36,160 in the bed. And then the next day I just 341 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:42,240 started walking with my I called it my new girlfriend. 342 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,200 I called it flow. That was my IV pump, which was 343 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:53,640 flow influencing to me. So and then and then two days 344 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:58,000 after it, I'm going down the hall walking my face and one of 345 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,440 the other doctors left me and said, are you speed walking 346 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:07,680 like, well, I guess I am. And it's just it. 347 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,120 Just keep going, keep moving. I love this so much. 348 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:17,120 And then you eventually ended up joining a running club when you 349 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:19,880 moved to Florida. Tell us about that and how you 350 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,920 kept going. So with all the laster, 351 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:30,000 Joycelyn, Utah and Utah, it's it's hot in the summer and too 352 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,440 snowy in the winter time to be running all the time. 353 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,240 When I moved to Florida, it's like, wow, I have 365 days a 354 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:43,240 year to run. And when I first moved here, I 355 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,040 wasn't, I really didn't get involved with many of the ramp 356 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,040 ups. I really didn't know anybody 357 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,120 from them. But I would start doing some of 358 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:55,760 the five KS and races. And then I met a couple people 359 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,960 who said, hey, have you seen our running groups? 360 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,000 And so they invited me in. And so I've been joining with 361 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:08,920 those groups pretty much at least one group at least every 362 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,160 day of the week. I do take some days off. 363 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,800 But again, just thinking, keep moving. 364 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,600 And it's great having those other people there with you. 365 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,640 You may not feel like you want to get out there, but after you 366 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:28,160 you show up, it's like just just that group organization, the 367 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:34,400 people you meet, They're also they're running the the there 368 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,040 you go, let's go. Come on, you got the carometry 369 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,800 with it. You know, the helping you 370 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,560 through these things. Just the friendships of saying, 371 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:50,560 Hey, let's go. And and I'm I'm not the fastest 372 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,560 person and the gross by even when I see other people, I'll be 373 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,640 running with them. If they're solar than me, I'll 374 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,880 also say, hey, come on, let's let's go. 375 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:01,920 You can do it. Come on. 376 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:07,920 Last weekend there was a like a 7 year old kid who was right in 377 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,960 front of me and I just said, all right, move it, move it get to 378 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,440 the finish, you know, pushing the kid along. 379 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,560 So it's just it's that, you know, working with those groups, 380 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:25,720 getting to be it's running. It's an individual sport, but 381 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,800 it's a team sport as well. Is helping your fellow runners 382 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,400 moving on? Just knowing that you're all in 383 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,040 a, you know, a club all all your own. 384 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,360 Just in running club. You may not know the people at 385 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:44,720 first, but eventually you will. You know, the same other running 386 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,000 events and that's what's, you know, really good about it. 387 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,720 I love this, I love your story and I feel like you have so much 388 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,360 strength and I don't want to finished this interview before 389 00:25:55,360 --> 00:26:00,360 kind of trying to dip into that a little bit because all of us 390 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,280 eventually face something in life, right? 391 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,840 Where turning 3040 and the older we get, the more we keep seeing 392 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,520 these things. So I want to kind of pick your 393 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,240 brain on that. A lot of mindset stuff, right? 394 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,800 How can people that are facing a hurdle in their own journey, be 395 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,440 it kidney failure or be it breast cancer, anything else 396 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:27,240 that we see happen so often? How can you maybe help them stay 397 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,600 positive in their mindset and work through something with 398 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,520 having the end goal being OK? I want to get back to running 399 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,920 rather than. This is it I can't handle 400 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,080 anymore. Yeah, there there's so many 401 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:44,440 different support groups and I'll tell you honestly, I had 402 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,320 family there's, but not everybody has that. 403 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:51,560 But if you have a family who's there to support you, have they 404 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,760 open it, honest conversation, let them know, because not 405 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,120 everybody knows what you're going through and they're not 406 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:04,520 going to know. I had other friends and other 407 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:09,240 people looked at me when I've had these issues and say, oh, 408 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,040 what Are you sure? Maybe you should take it easy. 409 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,080 No, I'm not going to take it easy. 410 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,040 I'm not going to get in that settled lifestyle. 411 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,960 It's it's not me. And some, there are a lot of 412 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,480 support groups out there. There are many different, 413 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,480 whether it's for a cancer or kidney failure or diabetes 414 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,440 support groups, There are plenty of them out there. 415 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,160 Not everyone is right for everybody, but you can find 416 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:44,280 someone out there and someone may have done something similar. 417 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,120 I'll tell you, it's only similar. 418 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:51,720 Not everybody is going to have the exact same thing. 419 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,080 But that's where maybe there's like no, no, four other people, 420 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,640 each one of them may have something similar to you. 421 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:06,640 They don't have everything, but just being open and honest, 422 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,720 talking with the different people. 423 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:14,560 If there's some people, if they need to have an individual 424 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,360 person to talk to. I know a lot of the different 425 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:22,120 health care, whether it is a Cancer Society where you're 426 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:28,000 getting your treatment, your, your dialysis, there's always a 427 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,960 social worker there who you can talk to a little bit and then 428 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,600 find out what groups may be right for. 429 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:42,960 Again, it's letting yourself be open to hear whether people say 430 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,320 it doesn't mean you have to agree with everything you say, 431 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,240 but just to listen, give your feedback to them. 432 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:57,040 Be be honest with yourself is probably really one of the 433 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:02,520 biggest things that I think a lot of people may have a little, 434 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,320 you know, they're a little apprehensive about being, you 435 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:11,440 know, honest with yourself, but just talk. 436 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,120 That's that's a big mistake. And I think that's probably 437 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,880 amazing advice and probably the hardest step to take, right? 438 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,600 Because the first thing that I know if, if something seems out 439 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:30,080 of the ordinary, the first initial reaction is to not talk 440 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,040 about it and to not try to face it because it makes it less 441 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,760 real. And once you open that can of 442 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:42,080 worms where you let everyone know something is up it, I mean, 443 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,320 I can imagine that's a really, really hard first step to take. 444 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:53,400 There's some people said, I had a lot of people who say, oh, 445 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,760 you're doing this great. I've had some people say if it's 446 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,600 people have sympathy, there's a difference between the sympathy 447 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,800 and the empathy. And people should, you know, 448 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,160 have more of that. All right, I hear what you're 449 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,960 saying. Now say, oh, that's so sad. 450 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,560 I feel so sorry for you. Here, let me give you a 451 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,640 casserole That that's the sympathy. 452 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,640 It's, you know, OK, I hear what you say. 453 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,560 What would you like to do? What can I do for you? 454 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,400 Asking what you can do or what they could do. 455 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,200 Yeah, before we finish, I want to know what goals you have set 456 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,880 for yourself, for your running journey, because it seems like 457 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,160 you're out there and you're doing more and more, and it's 458 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:52,840 amazing to see that. So I've done multiple, multiple, 459 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:59,160 multiple 5 KS. I think I'm like 7 or 8 half 460 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:04,240 marathons and I'd like to do a full marathon. 461 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,680 That's going to be, you know it. It takes time. 462 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,720 It takes time to work on that. My biggest thing is trying to 463 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,840 find somebody who will go at the same speed as me. 464 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,560 I have lots of fast runners. I mean, there was this one woman 465 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,280 I, I ran along with in Chicago when, when we went the opposite 466 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,400 direction to help another person finish their Chicago Marathon. 467 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,600 And she, she, she totally blows me away while running. 468 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,360 I I don't know if you that would be letty, but. 469 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,880 I think I know who you're talking about. 470 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,440 At least we won't get kicked off the Chicago Marathon path again. 471 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,640 Yes. Now that's very, very awesome. 472 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,320 And at this point, has everything in your body 473 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,440 adjusted? I mean, I'm not sure how that 474 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,480 works with double organ transplants. 475 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,040 I know it takes a while for the body to take everything and 476 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,520 everything to readjust. So how is your body doing right 477 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,840 now? So the body is doing pretty darn 478 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,080 good. I I always go to my blood 479 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:18,240 checkups, I talk with my nephrologist and my primary just 480 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,560 having to feel how things go. I said it's now been 11 years 481 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,720 since the transplant, but I was back running within two years. 482 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,760 And one of the things that I'm actually doing this summer, I've 483 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,640 done some of the things over the last couple years for people 484 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,560 who've had organ transplants is called the World Transplant 485 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:48,240 Games where anybody who's had a organ transplant, people who 486 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,920 have donated organs, they have this world class Olympic type of 487 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,520 activities, whether it's swimming or we have a triathlon, 488 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:02,000 swimming, track and field darts, all sorts of different. 489 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,840 And those are in going to be in dressed in Germany this year. 490 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,920 And then here in the US, we have what are called a Transplant 491 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,520 Games of America. Anybody who had had a transplant 492 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,800 family members or who are donor families, donors themselves, 493 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,000 they hold different categories and they can be active. 494 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,560 So that's the one really good thing. 495 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,920 Knowing just because you had the transplant doesn't mean you 496 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,440 can't get out and do what you can. 497 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:39,840 So that's, that's where my life is, where I move in. 498 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,320 If I again, if you don't feel, if something doesn't feel right, 499 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,800 OK, slow it down. Your body knows so. 500 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,720 I love it, Kelly, thank you so much for your time and if anyone 501 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,720 wants to reach and follow your story, are you on Instagram 502 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,240 slash Facebook or anything? I do Facebook, so that's yeah, 503 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,240 I, I know I'm alone. I don't. 504 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,520 I'm not so hip with Instagram, right? 505 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,520 Now, I mean, you're not that old, not really. 506 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,600 I mean, I know many people much older than you that are on 507 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,400 Instagram, but yeah, I mean, I I can see that. 508 00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:22,320 But you know, thank you so much for sharing your story with us 509 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,360 is a super inspirational and hopefully somebody listening 510 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,600 will take it to heart. I, I love the steps that you 511 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:35,080 gave us about, you know, trying to open up because I know that 512 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,320 can change a lot. And I know that's really hard 513 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,440 for some of us to do, but we can work at it. 514 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,320 Right, exactly. Perfect. 515 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,000 Thank you all. Righty, yeah. 516 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,719 Thank you, Kelly so much for coming on and speaking with me. 517 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,960 This was super inspirational. Thank you for sharing your story 518 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,800 with us. And if anyone wants to hear from 519 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,200 Kelly, you can find him on Facebook and I'm going to link 520 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,080 his profile in our show notes. I always enjoy the inspirational 521 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,080 story, I think it helps put things into perspective and 522 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,480 makes you appreciative of what you have. 523 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,360 Yes. And especially for this 524 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,600 conversation, I think it's also going to be helpful. 525 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,440 You know, we never know what can happen when. 526 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,520 And I think the tips that he gave were also really great. 527 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,240 The running community is out there, so we will all be able to 528 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:29,840 lean on each other's shoulders. So I love that about the running 529 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,120 community. Agreed, it's very inclusive in 530 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,480 general, which is nice. So later, what do we have in 531 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,560 store for next week? I actually don't know yet, so 532 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,440 I'm going to call it a surprise episode. 533 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,560 Next week is a surprise. Hopefully it can live up to the 534 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,440 expectations, but no, for you guys listening, we do have quite 535 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,720 a few amazing episodes that we are planning, including for 536 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:52,760 everyone that is going to be running Sydney in a little bit 537 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,320 more than a month. We're going to have a everything 538 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,160 you need to know about the Sydney Marathon episode coming 539 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,360 up that I am putting together with a lot of help from 540 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,240 Australian people, so stay tuned for that. 541 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,360 And with that. Have a great week of running. 542 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,440 Thanks for tuning in. For more information, go to 543 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:18,160 www.marathonrunningpodcast.com or check us out on all channels.