1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,840 You're listening to episode 227 of the Marathon Running Podcast. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,800 In this episode, we're going to give you some tips on how to 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,120 find the best running shoe for you. 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,680 This is the Marathon Running Podcast by Letty and Ryan from 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,400 Week at the Runs. Join us in our running community 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,080 for weekly content that is motivational, educational and 7 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:29,080 inspirational, and that the Marathon Running Podcast take 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,159 you from the starting line to the finish line and beyond. 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,680 Hey runners, and welcome to episode 227. 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,560 My name is Letty. My name is Ryan. 11 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,600 And we are back again this week with more running talk. 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,520 And in this episode we're going to give you some content about 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,480 running shoes. Mainly the reason being because 14 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:56,960 I've been doing a ton of shoe reviews on YouTube and stumbled 15 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,360 upon some questions from our audience on what to really look 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,480 for when it comes to running shoes. 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,640 That's difficult. Yeah, there's so many out 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,640 nowadays. Also, like I always what we were 19 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,160 talking about earlier before the podcast, is that we should look 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,400 as many reviews as possible when you're looking for shoes. 21 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,200 And then you can gravitate towards the people that seem to 22 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,720 give you the information that you like. 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,280 But we always would encourage people to look up as many 24 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,480 reviews as as you can or you feel tolerant of. 25 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:30,880 Exactly. And for that reason, we are 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:35,440 bringing you, it's Matt BA, YouTube who does shoe reviews 27 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,360 multiple times a week. His shoe reviews are always 28 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,400 amazing and to the point. I watch them all the time. 29 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,840 He also does gear reviews, etcetera. 30 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,720 And yeah, so with him, we talk about this topic of what to 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,920 really look for when it comes to a running shoe. 32 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,080 Yeah. So also in terms of the running 33 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,520 equipment, it's probably one of the more pricey things that you 34 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,760 buy. And so it isn't it is a little 35 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,160 bit cost prohibitive to just buy a bunch of running shoes and try 36 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,800 them all out and then throw away the ones you didn't like. 37 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,440 I mean even in the past it would be cost prohibitive but now 38 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,440 shoes have gotten even more expensive I feel like so it 39 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,440 makes it even harder. Yeah, exactly. 40 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,560 With the rise of the Vapor Fly in, when was it 2014, fifteen 41 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,600 ish. That was the first time we saw a 42 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,800 shoe at the outrageous price of $250. 43 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,560 And now that's kind of almost the norm for your quote UN quote 44 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,720 racing shoe that you want to have because those shoes don't 45 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,440 really last very long. You can get about 200 miles on 46 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,760 these shoes, and then they start breaking apart. 47 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,280 And along with the rise of the price for the vapor flies and 48 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,760 alpha flies and everything else, the daily trainers have gotten a 49 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,160 lot more expensive, too. So yeah, it's one of those 50 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,480 things that you can't just have a bunch of. 51 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,000 And as Ryan said, it's good to hear multiple opinions. 52 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,440 I think the shoe price thing might be a product of the 53 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,160 popularity of running. It's a supply demand, right? 54 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,840 If more people are getting into running and attending marathons 55 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,000 and companies probably realize that people will be willing to 56 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,120 pay more money. I don't know, maybe it's also 57 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,360 inflation or other things. So lady, it's nice that you can 58 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,560 maybe give a different perspective as most of the 59 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,360 reviewers seem to be guys. I agree, Ryan. 60 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,320 You would agree. So everyone should check out 61 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,360 Lady's YouTube shoe review to see if it's the type of review 62 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,440 they like and maybe they'll get some information from it. 63 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:28,760 Absolutely. Thank you, Ryan. 64 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:34,640 And all right, so our guest as we mentioned is Matt B and we 65 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:39,320 talked to him about quite a few things when it comes to what 66 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:40,920 we're looking for in running shoes. 67 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,280 We talked to him about a few brands, what what brands are 68 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,320 known for. We talked a little bit about the 69 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:51,040 running shoe experience, building your shoe rotation and 70 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,960 some other stuff beyond basic. So, Ryan, Are you ready to hop 71 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,320 into today's shoe review? Let's get into it. 72 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,320 All right, so without any further ado, I'm now going to 73 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,400 play my conversation with Matt B. 74 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,600 All right, so I'm on here with Matt B Matt, thank you so much 75 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,120 for joining me today. Thanks, Levy. 76 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,040 So perhaps before we start asking you the general shoe 77 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,600 question and then going to specifics, you can tell us who 78 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,160 you are, what you do, and how you end up with all these 79 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,480 running shoes. OK, well, OK. 80 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,040 Yeah, I, my name is Matt Bertrand. 81 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,080 I review running shoes on YouTube. 82 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,280 I put shoe content on Instagram and TikTok and basically my 83 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:34,600 social media is centered around running. 84 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,440 As anyone listen, if you're listening to this podcast then 85 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,120 you are a runner and you probably have an affinity 86 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,440 towards running shoes. I also do. 87 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,360 I just make it my business to review them. 88 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,120 So hopefully someone that watches my videos can can find 89 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,360 out how the shoes work for me and if and possibly if they 90 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,920 could work for someone who's thinking about buying them. 91 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,080 All right, so let's talk a little bit about finding the 92 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,000 right shoe. When it comes to running shoes. 93 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,720 Let's just go to the basics. What are we looking for when 94 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,040 you're just saying purchasing a running shoe? 95 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,800 Yeah, ultimately it comes down to comfort and the comfort is 96 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,160 the absolute number one thing. And I think for us runners, we 97 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:20,000 can sometimes get swayed by companies, marketing and and 98 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,880 even shoe reviewers. You know, it's fun for me to 99 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,080 review super shoes. I have some props in front of 100 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,760 me. You can't see it if you listen 101 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,760 to the podcast, but I have some props so I can I can see the 102 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,600 shoes that I want to talk about and one of them is the Alpha Fly 103 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,880 3. And you know, that's a hype shoe 104 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,400 and you see all these reviewers reviewing this shoe. 105 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,160 It's very expensive. It it makes people run faster. 106 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,760 Obviously the the world record has been met in that shoe or the 107 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,440 world record in the marathon is held in the Alpha Fly 3, but 108 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,480 that doesn't mean that it was going to work for everyone. 109 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,400 So if you are getting started and let's say you have no idea 110 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,440 what type of running shoe to run in, it's probably going to be 111 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,320 best that you start with something a little more even 112 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,800 keeled. And I want you to go into a 113 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,120 shop. I want you to try them on so you 114 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,160 can just see how the step in field is. 115 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,360 Does it fit your heel well? You know, is there enough room 116 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,960 in the toe box? These are all things that are 117 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,640 the most important, first of all, before we get into like 118 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,640 measuring performance and things like that. 119 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,240 OK, perfect. So we go into the running store 120 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,960 and how in your experience are running stores when it comes to 121 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,040 measuring your foot? What do they do for the runners? 122 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,760 Yeah, you know, it's been so long since I have been in, in a, 123 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,680 in a running store. I, I think it's important for 124 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,600 new runners to go into a running store. 125 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,120 But let's say, you know, OK, so running stores have kind of 126 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,480 built the business around selling running shoes, but also 127 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,600 a lot of them, at least the bigger ones that put you on a 128 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,960 treadmill, they will analyze your cake. 129 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,640 And then from there, they'll kind of come up with a 130 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,280 formulation of what shoe is going to work best for you. 131 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:04,000 And that may or may not be true. It seems like it seems to me 132 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,720 that it's a little bit of hype. And that might be, that might be 133 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:14,040 controversial to say, but let's say that you over pronate a lot. 134 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,520 This is when it's going to work well. 135 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,240 Because if you have, if you just started running and then you go 136 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,600 into a running store and you run on the treadmill and it shows 137 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,680 that you are over pronating, then maybe a stability option is 138 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,200 going to be right for you. However, the store is only going 139 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,000 to lead you to the brands that they sell. 140 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,560 And a lot of stores don't sell every single brand. 141 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,960 So you're kind of pigeon holed to buy whatever stability shoe 142 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,440 they have in stock. Now this this means nothing if 143 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,680 you're just getting started. But now with so many running 144 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,920 brands out there, they all put so much R&D into their shoes 145 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,280 that you are not stuck with one shoe. 146 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,600 So my recommendation, if the return policy allows, if you are 147 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,640 financially able to have more than one pair of running shoes, 148 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,320 is to try several and then decide on what works best. 149 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,920 That sounds like a great idea and thanks for pointing out 150 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,720 that. You know, I know that running 151 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,840 brands can't all be in one store. 152 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,840 I know there's certain rules to it. 153 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,400 And our local town recently, Fleet Feet bought up a bunch of 154 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,520 running stores and I think it was because they otherwise 155 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,160 couldn't have competition selling certain brands. 156 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,000 So with that, let's hop into different shoes for different 157 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,800 runs. What can you tell the average 158 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:32,320 runner about that? OK, So this is also it's a 159 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,559 luxury that I have because I get to review running shoes and 160 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,039 before we started the podcast that you and I were talking 161 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:43,799 about how many running shoes is too much and that number doesn't 162 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:48,840 exist. That's the stock answer, but I 163 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,640 think you are probably going to need, if you're racing, I think 164 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,880 you'll probably need 3 pairs of shoes to be like to cover all 165 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,800 your bases to be ideal. So you're going to have a daily 166 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,440 trainer. You can have something with 167 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:04,040 maybe a little more cushioning, something that is just comfort 168 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,400 is king. It doesn't have to be super 169 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,280 light because you're going to be going out and you're just going 170 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,480 to be running at an easy pace, kind of building that base 171 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,880 mileage in this shoe. Then you're going to have a shoe 172 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,200 that you're going to want to go out for your workouts. 173 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,880 If you're going to pick up the pace a little bit, think about 174 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,080 those tempo runs, maybe those interval runs. 175 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,400 And I should say that right now, lady, that I'm a long distance 176 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,200 runner. So I favor the marathon. 177 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,040 I like the half marathon. I like short distances and that 178 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,080 even less. So my race calendar around the 179 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,600 year is going to be a few half marathons and a few marathons. 180 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,760 So that's the that's the angle that I'm coming at my running. 181 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,840 And then if you can swing it, a race day shoe is really going to 182 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,360 benefit you. Possibly. 183 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,640 And I say possibly because there are some non responders out 184 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,480 there that just don't respond to all the technology, the carbon 185 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,080 plates. But there are so many out there 186 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,520 now that if you can just try a few on, I think it's possible to 187 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:04,960 find something that works for you. 188 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,240 I agree and I agree with you. We are kind of lucky with the 189 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,120 whole having multiple running shoes. 190 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,440 I agree with you that having multiple shoes can also kind of 191 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,800 mix it up a little bit, right, Because you want to have faster, 192 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,960 more responsive shoes for your temper runs. 193 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,560 And then when you do your basically trotting pace long 194 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:26,200 runs, that calls for a different shoe. 195 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,160 And then racing. I mean, I think racing should 196 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,680 always be special. So it's nice to have something 197 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:33,760 that's more poppy and super lightweight that unfortunately 198 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,720 isn't as durable. Yeah, I I agree it's nice to 199 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,240 have something special on race day. 200 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,720 It just makes the whole event just a little more fun to have a 201 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,280 shoe that you have saved for that day. 202 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:45,760 Now, of course, you have to train in that shoe. 203 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,080 You know, no one wants to go out and run, you know, immediately 204 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,840 in a new shoe that you haven't tried before. 205 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,600 But it's still fun to put on that race day shoes. 206 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,520 It's just a shame that they're so expensive and you know, it 207 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,760 can hold back some people, but it's not the end of the world 208 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,360 because a lot of companies will make they're, you know, they're 209 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:10,200 called super trainers or even some up tempo kind of just under 210 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,120 the race. They kind of level. 211 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,600 They're a lot less expensive than race daily shoes and I 212 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,680 think they can perform very well at races if you don't want to 213 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:22,160 spend that premium price of $250. 214 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,840 Yes, no, exactly. It's, it's, it's fortunate that 215 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,200 brands are becoming more aware. At the same time, I feel like 216 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,040 just like everything else in life right now has been rising 217 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,840 in price and running shoes unfortunately, or just another 218 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,480 product, you know, in the beginning they always said 219 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,200 running is so cheap and here we are. 220 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,080 Yeah, here we are. Yeah, it's, yeah. 221 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,040 When you have to spend $250, you know, on the shoes that you're 222 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,280 going to run the race in. And now we're looking at 223 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:51,040 hundreds and hundreds of dollars to enter these races. 224 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,680 The the bigger marathons, it gets away from cheap pretty 225 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:56,800 quickly. Exactly, exactly. 226 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,840 So Matt, since you do review a broad arrangement of brands, 227 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,000 perhaps you can kind of give us a little bit of an insight to 228 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:12,240 what brand feels like or what which brand has for what runner. 229 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,880 Yeah, that's, that's actually a good question. 230 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,280 And it's not, it's, there's not an easy answer because right now 231 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,640 we're seeing a lot of brands expand. 232 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,320 We're seeing we've got like the the legacy brands, if you will, 233 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,000 like Nike and Adidas and Saucony. 234 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,280 But you know, Nike and Adidas have been like the big 235 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,840 competitors over the years. But now obviously we've got 236 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,320 ASICS, we've got Saucony on has been huge. 237 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:44,120 Hoka, of course, is massive ultra boomer. 238 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,280 I'm I'm kind of, I'm looking over here, I'm looking past the 239 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,360 cameras, I'm talking to you lady, kind of looking at my shoe 240 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,120 wall every 61°. Solomon. 241 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,120 There's just there are a lot of shoes out there and runners are 242 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,280 spoilt for choice. So to say, you know, what 243 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,440 company is best for a runner. I don't think that's an easy 244 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,440 answer because there are going to be a range of shoes that are 245 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:06,880 going to work better for some runners. 246 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:10,640 Now, if we talk about hookah, that's kind of a, a big company 247 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,160 right now. You know, they've, they have 248 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,800 been just going through the roof. 249 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,640 People tend to really like them. On the whole, I think hookers 250 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:21,280 are fairly soft. So if you like that softer feel 251 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,120 on the run, I think hookers might be a good starting point 252 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,760 for you. Typically in years past on on 253 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,480 running has had fairly firm running shoes. 254 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,040 Now that has changed as they're moving forward, they've gotten 255 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,520 away from that firmness and I think they have really opened up 256 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,800 their kind of market reach because they've got a wide range 257 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,360 of shoes for everyone. And now on you can run in 258 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:48,040 something, you know, slightly firmer to just plush just like, 259 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,000 you know, poker or anything else. 260 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,960 Let me see what else I mean. Yeah, ASICS. 261 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,160 ASICS has the kind of their premium top of the line race day 262 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,160 shoe. So I ran the Boston Marathon in 263 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:10,120 the ASICS meta speed, meta speed Paris, meta speed edge Paris. 264 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,240 Sorry, there's so many shoes to keep the names. 265 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,160 And I thought that shoe performed absolutely fantastic. 266 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,160 It's it was super soft, it was responsive, it fit my gait very 267 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,840 well. I just, I've got nothing but 268 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,520 great things to say about that shoe. 269 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,480 And then you've got other people that are going to run around in 270 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,640 a Nike shoe because that fits them better. 271 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,800 So it's, it comes down to just finding out what works best for 272 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,240 you and for me to tell you what brand is going to work for a 273 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,400 certain runner, it's I'm, I'm beaten around the Bush, but it's 274 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,040 impossible. No, you're, you're so right, 275 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,280 especially, you know, since you noticed that a lot of brands 276 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,960 while they had been known for something softer or something 277 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,280 harder, they've now broadened out. 278 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,960 So it's it's harder to pinpoint. But I agree with you that in 279 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,560 general, Hoka, I mean, for me makes a great recovery shoe. 280 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,520 However, now there is a Hocus Yellow X, which is a racing 281 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,280 shoe, which is lighter, which has a carbon plate. 282 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,600 So yeah, that's, that's really hard to pinpoint. 283 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,040 But what about your recommendations? 284 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,800 Right. So say you have a runner that 285 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,600 wants to have three shoes, 1 is for a speed run, one is for a 286 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,120 long run. That's easy. 287 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,200 And then a racing shoe. What are some recommendations? 288 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,000 And you can, you know, switch brands and give us a couple of 289 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,200 them. OK, well I think to make a 290 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:35,600 recommendation it's going to depend on how people run and I 291 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,680 think, you know, I'm going to assume that, you know, the 292 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,760 listener knows how they run. Are they a heel striker? 293 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,600 Are they a four foot striker? And you know, they can decide 294 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,960 from there. I am absolutely a heel striker, 295 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,560 especially when I'm running slow. 296 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,480 So I tend to strike more midfoot the faster I run. 297 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,040 So especially in half marathon, I'm going to be landing a lot 298 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,960 more midfoot than I do when I'm out for an easy run. 299 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,240 I find when I run a marathon, you know, towards the end of the 300 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,360 race, I start to get a little tired, I start to get a little 301 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,080 sloppy and I'll start heel striking again. 302 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,520 I, I don't think it's necessary to change if you're a heel 303 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,760 striker, that's, that's how you run, that's fine. 304 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,760 Just by running more, you're going to become more efficient 305 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,760 in running how you run. But let's see a recommendation. 306 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,160 So because I reviewed a lot of running shoes, they come across 307 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,200 shoes that are that's called like the premium daily trainer 308 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,120 segment. And they're quite expensive. 309 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,000 They're probably 160 dollars like right in that range. 310 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,440 And we're talking about things like the ASICS Nimbus. 311 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:44,320 Sorry, yeah, the John Nimbus, the the Cumulus, things like 312 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:45,880 that that are very heavily padded. 313 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,000 They're fairly had. They're fairly heavy and they 314 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,200 work well for easy runs, but I think it's a little over the 315 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,520 top. And I've also got to just add a 316 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,960 little, just a side note that I live in Florida as as you do to 317 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:02,760 lady, and it's very hot here. So when you run in a heavy shoe 318 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:07,079 like that, you sweat, that shoe soaks up all that sweat and then 319 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:10,240 it becomes even more heavy and sometimes it can become very 320 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,359 unpleasant. So I tend to like the lighter 321 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,200 daily trainers and I I think they're enough, at least for for 322 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,000 me. So right now the shoe that I 323 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,079 haven't even made a review about it yet, but I've been running in 324 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:29,160 the Brooks Hyperion too. And for me that just that is 325 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,000 just such a beautifully made shoe. 326 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,520 It's fairly light. It can pick up the pace. 327 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,080 It is protective enough to run easy for long runs, but it's 328 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,720 kind of light and you can just do so much in it and I think 329 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,680 it's a good all rounder for a lot of people. 330 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,320 Now you've also got the Brooks Ghost, which is the daily 331 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,920 trainer, kind of middle of the line daily trainer, but it's so 332 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,320 much heavier and it's so much more restricted in what it can 333 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,640 do. So if you want a shoe that 334 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,400 you're just going out for one or two runs a week, maybe you want 335 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,960 to mow the grass in the same shoe, you know, you could go 336 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,640 with a Brooks Ghost. And if you want to have a little 337 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,920 more performance, maybe the Hyperion too is the way to go. 338 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,120 OK, I, I agree with you actually on the Hyperion. 339 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:16,680 I, I that's one of my favorite running shoes for the exact same 340 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,440 reasons. In Florida, we don't have the 341 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,680 luxury of having this padded tongue on the shoe because it 342 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,160 just soaks up your sweat and then it just gets nasty. 343 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,640 But yeah, So what about your favorite racing shoes, your 344 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,560 personal favorite racing shoes? And then also from the running 345 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,640 community, What have you heard is a good racing shoe? 346 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,440 Well, you know, if no matter what shoe that I talk about, I 347 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,640 always find that there are people that hate it and people 348 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,760 that love it. So at the moment I would say my 349 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,280 favorite is the shoe that I ran the Boston Marathon in. 350 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:55,320 It's the ASICS meta Speed edge Paris that just works well for 351 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,040 me. There's also the Nike Vapourfly 352 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:03,240 3, which works extremely well. Let's see, I've got the on cloud 353 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:10,680 runner, sorry, the Cloud Boom E3 and the the on Cloud Boom E3, I 354 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,960 raced the half marathon in it and it was perfect for me for 355 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,400 that distance. However, at the marathon, I need 356 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,880 a little different geometry because of how long that race is 357 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,480 and it's a little more protective. 358 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,400 So while the Cloud Boom E3 was perfect for that half marathon 359 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,400 where it's, it's very fast, you know, relatively speaking, for 360 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,160 me, when I want to, when I run a marathon, I want something a 361 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,480 little more cushioned. I want the plate to have a 362 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:39,200 little more of a curve in it. So I for me, it starts, it works 363 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,640 well if it starts high in the heel and then comes down to the 364 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,320 forefoot rather than having a plate that goes fairly straight. 365 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,120 So if you think about the Nike Vapor fly through versus the 366 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:52,760 Alpha Flight 3, the plates are shaped different. 367 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:56,960 And so while I love the Alpha Flight 3 but the Marathon, I 368 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,080 would probably choose the Vapor Flight just because of the 369 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,040 geometry of the plate in the midsole. 370 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,240 OK, so it comes down to personal preference again. 371 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,480 But yeah, thank you for pointing out those few shoes. 372 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:13,600 And you know, I think I used to be on the train of Nike, Nike 373 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,680 only. And that was because I'd found a 374 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,280 shoe that worked for me. This is like 10 years ago. 375 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,560 And so I would just like we were talking earlier online, order 376 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,120 them. And then when I was able to 377 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:27,960 receive more shoes, I opened the, I opened my eyes a bit more 378 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,840 to see that, wow, there's something beyond Nike. 379 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,000 And now I have no problem switching from shoe to shoe. 380 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,920 However, when it comes to clothing, I always have like an 381 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,600 issue when you know, you're, you're wearing Nike shoes, but 382 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,680 then you have Adidas shorts on and that kind of thing. 383 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,080 How? How do you feel about all that? 384 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,520 Well, you know, I'm, I'm the fashion guru. 385 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,520 People are going to do what they're going to do. 386 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,160 And I get the personal preference. 387 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:56,040 Like if you know, for people my age, we grew up either liking 388 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,560 Nike or Adidas and that's that's hard to to get past. 389 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,160 Although it's totally misplaced today because if you are just 390 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,480 going on performance and like if there were no branding on the 391 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:11,440 shoes, there are shoes equally as good as Nike shoes and way 392 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,000 better. You know, Nike isn't the king of 393 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,800 running shoes anymore. Saucony makes some fantastic 394 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,440 just world class shoes on especially ASICS. 395 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,360 I mean, they're, there are so many brands out there that make 396 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:30,360 just top quality shoes that you can't get over your natural 397 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,160 inclination to like a brand because they have done what 398 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,040 brands are supposed to do. They're supposed to kind of 399 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,600 endear themselves to you for one reason or another. 400 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,640 But from a performance standpoint, it's silly. 401 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,600 There are so many good shoes out there. 402 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,320 Exactly. Yeah, that's, that's funny. 403 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,160 Yeah. All right. 404 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,440 So, so my last question to you would be, I guess just about the 405 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,720 latest 2 trends and technologies. 406 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,960 What have you seen out there and what do you think is going to 407 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,440 happen? Is there going to be more things 408 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,240 like the carbon plate coming out or you know, I've seen some 409 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,840 shoes adding the carbon plate to a recovery shoe etcetera for, 410 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,440 you know, instead of springing us more stability. 411 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,720 What are your thoughts on that? And yeah, I think it's we're not 412 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,160 going to get away from plated shoes anytime soon. 413 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,720 It's still fairly new. You've got to think that, you 414 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,200 know, it was only 2017 that the first carbon plate was put in a 415 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,280 shoe. Of course, Mizuno was doing it 416 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,120 long before that with their Wave plate. 417 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,000 But yeah, the plates and shoes are just going to continue, if 418 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,320 not for performance, then for stability, because you've got to 419 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,280 think of these super light responsive foams. 420 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,040 They almost need a plate in order to keep them together. 421 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,920 So when we're going lighter, we're going to need that plate 422 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,120 for more structure. So we're not going away with 423 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,280 that. I think maybe more brands will 424 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,760 experiment, experiment with like dual plates and a different 425 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,600 plating systems. Like the Adidas Prime X2 Strung, 426 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,200 they have three plates. Hoka Techton X has dual plates. 427 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,400 So they're kind of they run parallel to each other. 428 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,520 And I think that's the direction that we're going to go. 429 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,200 Of course, the whole Max stack height thing, there's everyone's 430 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,720 on that bandwagon right now that is, that will probably correct 431 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,640 just, and I don't think that's a, you know, I'm not a prophet. 432 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,640 I just think that's going to be the cycle we had a couple of 433 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,800 years ago. It was barefoot running, you 434 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,080 know, I never got into that phrase. 435 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:30,080 But now we're seeing everyone wanting as much stack height as 436 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,840 they can get to add comfort. Is it necessary? 437 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:36,080 I don't know. I question it a lot of the time, 438 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,320 but I know that I do prefer more cushioning than less cushioning, 439 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,840 so I think we'll find that middle ground sometime soon. 440 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,720 But it's an exciting journey to be on and we get to try these 441 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,640 shoes, try them out first and see how they are. 442 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:53,200 Yeah, absolutely. And Matt, what are your thoughts 443 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,680 about the durability of shoes, Right, Because shoes, like we 444 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,600 knew them in the early 2000s, they were all heavy at the same 445 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,760 time. The rubber down there was super 446 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,400 resistant. You could run on them for like a 447 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,360 year, pick them back up and you know, everything was still as 448 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:12,080 is. And now we have the shoes and 449 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,960 they wear down pretty quickly, especially with the foam, but 450 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,280 then they still last a little bit. 451 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,720 And then we have the race shoes that are only supposed to last 452 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,360 200 miles. What are your thoughts on that? 453 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:26,240 And are there any brands that make shoes a little bit more 454 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,040 durable still? Well, my thoughts on it are 455 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,480 that, you know, we need to protect the environment and it's 456 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,320 absolutely ridiculous that we live in a throwaway culture 457 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:41,640 where, you know, Adidas is Evo Pro is, is A1 ratio and it costs 458 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,160 $500. It's, it's exciting, but it 459 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,560 seems, I don't know, irresponsible to from a 460 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,000 environmental standpoint. However, you know, these, these 461 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,960 businesses, they're selling them, you know, these brands, 462 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,800 they're making shoes and people are buying them. 463 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,440 So it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough to stop 464 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,600 that. Of course, the reason that shoes 465 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,480 don't last as long is because shoe brands are trying to make 466 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,760 them lighter and lighter and lighter in order to save weight, 467 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,360 which makes them faster, which makes more people buy them. 468 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:15,480 So it's it's kind of a vicious circle going back to the on 469 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,040 cloud boom E3 like right on the box, it says that this shoe is 470 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,000 good for 100 miles. I think that's what it says. 471 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,920 So a couple of marathons and then and then what is it no 472 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,480 good? Well, I don't think so. 473 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,320 Like maybe it's not at it's it's at top, it's best, but you can 474 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,960 still use these shoes. So I think we do need to replace 475 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:42,080 our shoes at regular intervals, but there's just there's a 476 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,920 tendency to where the shoes getting lighter that we have to 477 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,440 throw them away sooner and sooner and then they want you to 478 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,040 so you can buy another one. But generally speaking, the 479 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,480 training shoes are going to be more resilient and they're going 480 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,520 to last a lot longer. So if you are just, let's say a 481 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,360 normal runner and you don't worry about racing or you don't 482 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:02,320 worry about saving a couple of grams on your race shoe, you're 483 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,480 going to be able to invest in shoes that do last a little 484 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,400 longer. And that's going to be brands. 485 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:13,200 Like I can't even say a brand Puma is excellent. 486 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,440 So I say I can't say a brand and then I immediately say a brand 487 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,440 Puma is excellent with their Puma grip. 488 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,440 It is it's incredibly grippy and it seems to last a long time. 489 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,080 I'm just looking at the bottom of some of my shoes. 490 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,240 Saucony has a lot of a good outsole rubber. 491 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,720 You know, it's it's it's really hit and miss and it's always the 492 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,520 top end shoes that are going to have less rubber and be less 493 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,920 durable. So if you're buying those shoes, 494 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,640 you're kind of going in and you're accepting that when you 495 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,160 buy them, that weight savings and it doesn't last as long. 496 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,520 Yeah. And it's unfortunate because 497 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,880 also, you know, if you have a different type of gate, if 498 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,920 you're landing a little bit more as a heel striker, unfortunately 499 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,920 you could technically land on some of the parts of the shoe 500 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,200 that don't have the extra rubber added. 501 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,920 So then you wear down the foam sooner and you know, I've 502 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,440 actually met a person locally that has added shoe rubber on 503 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,360 the bottom of his expensive shoes and he's made them last 504 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,080 longer that way. That's a, that's a great idea. 505 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,360 Like that's a, that's a shoe hack for sure. 506 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,040 You know, that's a great way to save money, especially if you're 507 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,560 wearing down because I'm a heel striker, as I've said, and all 508 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,520 the bottom of my shoes, they all wear out on the heel first. 509 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,240 The race shoes not so much, but all my training shoes, they wear 510 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,040 down at that lateral heel very quickly. 511 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,560 Yeah. And then you see that that foam 512 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,480 that's normally white turning yellow because you've, you know, 513 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,680 worn down the outside layer of it. 514 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,200 And then you're like, OK, now it's getting wet and you know 515 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,560 what is going to happen to the shoe. 516 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,040 Yeah, that's that's how it goes. But you know, it's, it is what 517 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,680 it is. The shoe companies know this, 518 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,400 that you'll see on the lateral heel edge that is part of a 519 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,040 normal gate cycle. So the companies know that they 520 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,440 have to put a little extra rubber there on the heel because 521 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,400 everybody, well, most people when they land on their lateral 522 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,920 heel and they roll through their gate and then they tow off. 523 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,920 So there's a lot of people out there that are landing like 524 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,640 that. It seems like it's the ratios 525 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,560 that just neglect that extra rubber. 526 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,200 Yes, yes, exactly. Matt, thank you so much for 527 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,160 coming on and speaking with me. If people want to find find your 528 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,560 channel and follow you, how can they do that best? 529 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,840 Lady, thank you so much. I appreciate you asking me to be 530 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,440 on your podcast. I can be found at it's Matt B, 531 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,640 it's Matt B across platforms and you can it's technically it's at 532 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,600 it's under score, Matt under score B under score. 533 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,880 But if you just put in, it's Matt BI come up. 534 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,080 Perfect. Thank you so much, Matt. 535 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:48,920 Thanks lady. All right, so now from our 536 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,640 sponsor, Tifosi Optics. Tifosi, the brand name is the 537 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,160 Italian word for superfan, and that's who they make the eyewear 538 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,120 for. Their slogan is Live your 539 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,480 passion. 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They have a glide technology 548 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,360 that allows the frame to slide on comfortably and provide an 549 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,240 anti bounce fit with an integrated hinge to ensure that 550 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,160 these sunglasses slide on easily without pulling your hair. 551 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,880 Anyway, we have the website for you. 552 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,960 We will link it in our show notes. 553 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:46,840 It's basically to ocoptics.com. Our discount code is MRP 20 for 554 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,600 20% off and we will put that into our show notes. 555 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,040 Marathon Running Podcast 20, MRP 20. 556 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,440 Yes. All right. 557 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,640 Thank you, Matt for coming onto my podcast and sharing your 558 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,960 expertise with our audience. I hope this content, as always, 559 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,920 is a little bit helpful and feel free to check out Matt's YouTube 560 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,560 channel, which is LinkedIn Our Show notes. 561 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,320 Yes, and go find your new pair of shoes. 562 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,840 Yes. Does that count for me too? 563 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:24,160 No, no more shoes for you. All right, all right, so stay 564 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,560 tuned for next week. Next week we're gonna have a 565 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,080 great episode, which I can't tell you what it is about yet 566 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,680 because we haven't figured it out yet, but rest assured, we'll 567 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,120 have it ready for you guys in due time. 568 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,560 And with that. Have a good weekend running. 569 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,960 Thanks for tuning in. 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