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You're listening to episode 239 
of the Marathon Running Podcast.

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In this episode, we're going to 
learn all about muscle cramping.

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This is the Marathon Running 
Podcast by Letty and Ryan from 

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Hey runners, and welcome to 
episode 239. 

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My name is Letty. 
My name is Ryan. 

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And welcome back to another 
episode of the Marathon Running 

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Podcast, where we bring you all 
the coaches, all the information

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that you need to improve your 
running, hopefully and add some 

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fun and entertainment to your 
runs. 

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And today we have a very 
exciting episode. 

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What are we talking about? 
So remember last month when I 

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went to Tre, the running event 
in Texas? 

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All right, so while I was there,
I ran into a gentleman who was 

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doing research on muscle 
cramping and figuring out what 

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product. 
There are products that are on 

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the market to help prevent that.
And so we had a really great 

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conversation. 
So I invited him on to the 

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podcast to speak about all of 
that awesome knowledge. 

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Sounds exciting. 
I'd be interested to know how to

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prevent cramps. 
Yeah, prevent cramps and even, 

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you know, just the little 
information about who gets 

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muscle cramps, who's prone to 
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that is even possible? 
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importantly, when you get them, 
what is there that can be done? 

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So it seems like it's a lot of 
still ongoing research, but 

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they're are some solutions out 
there and it was just a really 

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great interesting conversation 
that I'm very excited to share. 

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Yeah, although it can be boring 
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research or details about it, 
you know, it does help I think a

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lot to understand what process 
is happening and then that helps

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you to figure out how to like 
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it at least. 
You guys, if this is a boring 

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interview then please let me 
know because I pride myself in 

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making our interviews a little 
bit more spicy than boring, 

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right? 
Yeah, you're good at it. 

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Well, thank you, that was pushed
hard for that compliment. 

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But anyway, so how is everything
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Ryan, we are recording this on 
December 14th. 

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Christmas is in 10 days. 
Have you done your shopping yet?

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No. 
Me neither. 

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So we're going out after this 
and I will for sure this week 

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record our YouTube video about 
all the products that we 

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recommend for runners just 
simply because I need that space

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back in the living room. 
I've been putting all these 

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boxes next to our coffee table 
so that way we can know what to 

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talk about. 
I'm very excited for it, but 

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this mountain needs to go. 
So at this point, it's a last 

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minute shopping for Christmas 
video. 

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I guess we could call it that, 
but you know, maybe I'll carry 

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over to that next year too. 
All right. 

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And of course, everything is 
available online, which is also 

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great. 
And of course I've also another 

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reason for the delay, been 
working with some brands getting

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discount codes and we are, we've
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and you can find 
those@runsswag.com, RUNSWA, 

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swag.com and there are a lot of 
discount codes about 20% off is 

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the average. 
If there's no discount code, it 

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goes to an affiliate links for 
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appreciate the support. 
But you know, I've been really 

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talking to these brands trying 
to get them to pass the discount

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on to you guys instead. 
So just be patient with me. 

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Sounds good. 
All right, so another thing that

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is going to be on the list that 
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that we have partnered up with 
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It's going to be in Boston. 
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basically Expo where there's 
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Saucony and many more. 
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more than 30 speakers. 
Des Linden will be there at Last

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Lake, Conrad anchor Dylan 
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Mcgilvery from Boston. 
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for runners, outdoor survival 
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So it's kind of like a hybrid. 
It's an outdoor Expo as well as 

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the running Expo. 
There's something for everyone. 

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There'll be a climbing wall, 
there will be workshops, live 

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demos, etcetera. 
You can get tickets for that 

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show for free when you go to 
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has to be there. 
Yes, I will be there and I will 

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be doing some exit interviews 
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feel about the show, maybe hype 
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in New York, which was a lot of 
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I'm very excited for this. 
Yeah, it sounds cool. 

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Yeah. 
So I don't have anything else. 

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Are you ready to hop into this 
week's interview? 

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Let's get into it. 
All right, so without any 

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further ado, I'm now going to 
play my conversation with Philip

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Coupons. 
All right, so I'm on here with 

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Phillip Cupens. 
Phillip, thank you so much for 

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joining me today. 
Thanks for having me, I'm 

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looking forward to. 
It you too very excited about 

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this topic of all things muscle 
cramping, right? 

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So maybe before we hop into that
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cramping, you can talk about 
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makes you an expert in this type
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Sure. 
So my background kind of came 

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from the science side, the 
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applied sports side. 
I grew up being an an endurance 

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athlete. 
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freestyle skier and I played 
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to my 30s even. 
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experience. 
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nutrition science, sports 
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out ways to perform better, but 
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I found that anybody taking 
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injuries. 
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passion came from. 
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from when I was going to school,
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management, but also food 
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like economics and engineering 
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different look at the, the human
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inside out. 
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study out of BYU in 2010 by 
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rather than physiological. 
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lot of time in the lab and and 
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approach to what we call hyper 
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OK, so that's interesting and 
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that. 
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expertise, maybe we can talk 
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especially for long distance 
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That's an incredible question 
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misconceptions of what causes 
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So when you talk to 10 people, 
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Eat a banana, stretch, hydrate, 
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The interesting thing is that 
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cause. 
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rudimentary explanation is a 
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physiological trigger. 
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on. 
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calf and the brain responds by 
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from the inside out. 
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fire twinging you get that 
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it's a, it's a flexion and 
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pulsating is trying to get. 
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more fluids and electrolytes 
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affect corrective action. 
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signal can't keep up with the 
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because just like at a macro 
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yes, or release your tricep and 
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Picture that on a 
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your brain, your central nervous
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information. 
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extend, flex, extend and that's 
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can't keep up the engagement 
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So you have this hyper 
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we commonly refer to as a muscle
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neural pathway. 
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getting through essentially 
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So now we have ways to acutely 
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things that no longer rely on 
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the possible trigger points. 
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at the neurological root cause. 
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question about who's prone to 
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follow up question. 
Or you know, and I don't have a 

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background in this. 
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trying to block this from 
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Why are we trying to block it? 
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if we block something that is 
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body, what does that translate 
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That's when we get off. 

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And and so we're, we're blocking
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We're not blocking an activity, 
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So picture it as a misfire it 
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that signal. 
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communication from your brain to
a, a portion of your body, if 

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you will. 
We're just kind of overwhelming 

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that pathway with information 
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So if you picture a bunch of 
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tunnel at the same time and thus
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tunnel can only process so much 
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So the central nervous system is
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And I kind of joke sometimes 
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itches and I kick you in the 
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anymore, right? 
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process so much information. 
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going on from your brain and the
muscles saying, hey, fix this 

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thing just gets reset because 
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neural pathway with information 
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Then we flood that area with 
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triggers, sort of opening the 
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treatment rather than trying to 
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OK, gotcha. 
So by blocking, you mean we're 

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not just blocking, we're also 
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body needs because obviously the
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And the reason being it's trying
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it needs something that it's not
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And so then rather than letting 
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blocking and also treating. 
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Yeah. 
And, and a lot of the testing 

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we've done, all the testing 
we've done, we've never seen any

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damage occurring from applying 
this neurological treatment. 

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So, and we've done this what 
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controlled studies through the 
university Sterling with UK 

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national swim team, We've done 
university studies and Central 

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Michigan University, Brigham 
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testing like field testing and 
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cycling, rugby, cricket. 
So a lot of different avenues 

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and not once have we seen a case
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neural inhibitors will have any 
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structure, muscular performance.
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because with that cramp breaks 
through, you get that like micro

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tearing and that's where the 
soreness comes from post 

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cramping activity. 
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that micro tearing. 
We're just allowing that area to

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function more effectively rather
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distracted distraction 
information, if you will, and 

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opening that pathway for 
information. 

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So rather than blocking it, I 
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as reopening it. 
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And without going into it too 
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podcast, maybe explain just what
that treatment means. 

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What are we doing here? 
Yeah. 

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So you're, we're, we're 
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there's a receptor at the back 
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esophageal receptors. 
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same general system that sends 
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part of the body. 
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pathway with information. 
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inhibitors that will, you'll 
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your jaw kind of and which is 
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we're engaging a different set 
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ordinarily experiencing when you
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And that's why there's neural 
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very, very narrow line of flavor
profiles because it's at the 

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back of the throat that this 
whole process starts and in 82 

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seconds or lots of cramps 
completely gone and won't come 

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back for up to about 45 to 60 
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exertion levels. 
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OK. 
All right. 

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So we'll obviously hop into that
one. 

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I've noted it down, but let's go
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general. 
We know that some runners seem 

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to be more prone to muscle 
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Can you tell us why that is and 
what are some triggers? 

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I cannot, and that's the crazy 
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So we found that about 50% of 
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cramping and the other 50 
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And it's really unfair for those
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it's, you know, as as, as, as 
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it's pretty debilitating. 
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out why certain people are prone
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of the population that is prone 
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But we've not yet figured out 
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it and certain people are not. 
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studies. 
We know it's not an electrolyte 

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based because one of the studies
we did, if you can imagine this,

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we artificially induced cramping
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transdermal electrical 
stimulant. 

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Like you imagine going, hey, 
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put this probe in your toe and 
it's about to be really 

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uncomfortable. 
Are you cool with this test and 

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be like sure, where do I sign 
up? 

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Yeah, that study better pay a 
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It paid zero. 
It was students. 

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Oh my. 
Gosh, poor kids. 

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Yeah, you know, well, you know, 
college kids are up for 

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anything. 
Yeah, that's so true. 

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But so we, we, we use that type 
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their electrolyte levels pre and
post ingestion of various neural

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their electrolyte levels didn't 
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So from that we deduced that 
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right? 
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was caused by something else, 
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didn't change anything, right? 
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electrolytes and, and so that it
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we've done, you know, in this 
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the muscle stretch unstretched, 
whatever. 

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One thing that I've seen and 
this is purely anecdotal at this

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increase the probability of a 
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Now I have a very, very 
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hypothesis that's not yet tested
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frequency during which certain 
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deactivated will just increase 
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communication systems breaking 
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It's kind of a super rudimentary
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for instance, the athletes that 
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situations are more likely to 
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doing stuff that we as runners 
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licks, right? 
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exertion, high exertion, no 
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So positions and team sports 
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based tend to cramp more than 
those who don't. 

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And endurance sports, we see 
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levels of exertion, whether it's
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pace or or something like that 
where so it like like a sudden 

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increase in exertion levels. 
What how that ties to frequency,

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I don't really know, but that's 
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down to determine what it is 
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We do know that if you consume 
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prevent that cramp for recurring
for about 45 minutes. 

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OK. 
So that's super interesting. 

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I'm excited to see what you come
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And then also to see if you know
in the future you'll find that 

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there's any kind of possibility 
of conditioning your body to 

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prevent something like, say, for
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person about asthma and he's 
found that conditioning his 

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lungs helped him because now the
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So I wonder if you know if you 
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will that condition your body to
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cramping? 
Yeah, we don't know. 

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I, I have seen that there's, I 
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less fit and they're more likely
to cramp earlier than if they 

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are. 
So anecdotally, the theory would

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be that the the more strain 
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probability that you're going to
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So it ties into that theory of, 
of the conditioning with the 

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asthma stuff. 
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different triggers. 
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one trigger that is easy to 
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somebody as a prolific sweater 
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So it would stand to reason that
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sodium during their exercise and
they're more preventive with 

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that sodium therapy, there are 
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cramp. 
However, somebody, somebody else

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may be more prone to cramping 
due to circulatory restrictions,

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right? 
And that's why you see the 

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increase of nighttime leg cramps
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circulatory system fatigues over
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So that's when, you know, people
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in age will tend to get cramps 
in like the arches of their feet

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or their lower extremities when 
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because circulatory system just 
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effective blood through through 
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That's why they're wearing, you 
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night. 
You know what, if I'm going to 

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compete in something or even 
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to wear compression socks in the
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short window of of getting ready
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that just promotes better 
circulation. 

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So training seems like it would 
work, but we haven't really 

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identified how. 
Yeah, super interesting. 

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I'm excited to follow your 
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that. 
But let me talk about before we 

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hop into the treatment and what 
it is, what the substance is 

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that you recommend pouring down 
your throat. 

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Let's talk a little bit about, 
obviously we have a huge market 

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for running products, right? 
And I know there are products 

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out there that contain a lot of 
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So let's just talk a little bit 
about the purpose of those and 

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maybe clarify that they're not 
just all meant for muscle cramp 

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treatment, but that they do have
a good purpose and a life of a 

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long distance runner. 
Totally. 

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So the historically, before we 
got into neural inhibition 

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space, people were attempting to
treat for cramping the 

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individual triggers, right? 
So when I describe sodium in the

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rudimentary space and, and 
everybody listening will know 

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this, that it's, you know, 
there's only one thing that 

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hydrates you, right? 
And that's water. 

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Everything else just helps water
do its job, meaning sodium, I 

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say it's kind of the body sponge
and let's you not just flush out

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all that water and keep it in. 
A lot of people talk about 

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potassium and all these other 
electrolytes, but the reality is

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sodium represents about 62% of 
the electrolytes in your body. 

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So if you're electrolyte 
deficient from exercise. 

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Now again, I'm excluding anybody
that has kind of outlier 

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conditions, but most of us if we
find ourselves in a electrolyte 

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deficient position, it tends to 
be sodium just because there's a

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lot more of it and we tend to 
lose that most at the most rapid

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rate. 
So salt tablets and and salty 

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snacks and things of that nature
are gargling with salt water are

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really, really effective to help
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that water in your body and 
replenishing the electrolytes. 

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It's, there's certainly a 
purpose for that. 

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Now also one of the dozen or so 
different trigger points that 

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could cause cramping is in fact 
an electrolyte deficiency will 

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extend, which will extend into 
probable sodium. 

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I, I, you know, everybody talks 
about potassium, but I joke with

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people that it's so unlikely to 
become potassium deficient 

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again, unless you're an outlier,
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big banana because A, it's fun 
to say big banana and, and B, 

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then I found out like big banana
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of really bad banana companies 
out there. 

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So that's a whole different 
rabbit bowl. 

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But yeah, but also there's other
things out there that contain a 

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higher concentration of the, of 
potassium than bananas. 

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And I will admit, early in my 
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potassium supplement taker 
before games. 

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So I, I at one point believe 
that as well. 

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But yeah, it's pretty unlikely 
that it's, it's an electrolyte 

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other than sodium. 
Circulatory issues can be 

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another thing. 
So This is why muscle cramps are

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also very common. 
We mentioned earlier with 

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elderly people when they're 
sleeping or pregnant women, 

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right? 
Because you have a whole human 

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life constricting your your 
circulatory patterns and also 

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like stealing all your 
nutrients. 

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That's another that's another 
potential is circulatory. 

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Another obvious one is 
dehydration. 

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You can usually tell cramps are 
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they will occur simultaneously 
in different muscle groups 

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rather than concentrated in one.
And I've experienced that once 

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and it sucks. 
If you have ever had your 

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calves, both calves and both 
hamstrings lock up at the exact 

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same time with your lower 
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do not recommend it. 
It's it's unpleasant even though

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it's hilarious to everybody else
because I had like teammates 

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like punching my muscles because
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So it was pretty funny. 
But try to avoid that I will at 

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all. 
Cost. 

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I'm actually one of the lucky 
50% that I think I've had one 

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muscle cramp in my life, and 
that was when I was running and 

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I had some, you know, my sock 
had slipped between my toes, so 

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I was moving my toes. 
So I got like the cramp that you

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get when you move your big toe 
down. 

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But besides that, I've luckily 
never had to experience muscle 

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cramps. 
Yeah. 

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And those kind of. 
Pinches released pretty quickly,

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so you're lucky I didn't. 
It didn't. 

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Feel quickly to me at the time, 
but yeah. 

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Well, for a brief moment of 
time, you felt what those 

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students at BYU were going 
through when we're using 

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Transderm electrical stimulants 
to induce that toe cramp she 

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must have. 
Hated you, but anyway, all 

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right, so let's talk about the 
treatment and the solution 

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potentially. 
How much weight do you give the 

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treatment that you are 
suggesting? 

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And you know, maybe just explain
a little bit more about how that

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works. 
Yeah. 

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So we've, we've developed a 
product that uses a proprietary 

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gain of acetic acid to engage 
the neural inhibit the 

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esophageal receptors that has 
shown really, really high levels

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of efficacy. 
With the UK SWIM study, we had a

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100% efficacy. 
We had, we've had some outliers 

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and then usually found that when
administered properly the 

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efficacy is pretty high. 
So there are a few companies out

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there that are working with 
neural inhibition. 

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The the, the one. 
And to be completely 

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transparent, I'm affiliated with
one of them. 

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It's called pickle juice. 
It's got nothing to do with 

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Pickles. 
We just call it that because it 

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shares a flavor profile. 
And we found that the acetic 

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acid that we're using is the 
most effective way to engage 

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those to create a neural 
inhibition environment without 

455
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compromising other things that 
we don't want in our body. 

456
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:55,680
There are other studies that use
capsaicin like hot Peppers, but 

457
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:01,120
we found that it's dosing is 
difficult with that because the 

458
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,600
pepper itself is the fairies on 
the Scoville scale. 

459
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,600
And it's, it's hard to get that 
consistently. 

460
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,080
Plus also that can lead to other
issues. 

461
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,560
So you're, you're solving one 
problem and potentially causing 

462
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,120
another one like indigestion or 
like, just like stomach 

463
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,520
discomfort. 
And so those are the two primary

464
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,040
neural inhibitors that we've 
seen to have some level of 

465
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,160
effect. 
And that's a very narrow range 

466
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,840
of acetic acid or a narrow range
of capsaicin. 

467
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,520
OK, so let's. 
Dive into that a little bit more

468
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,320
for people that are not of of 
this background. 

469
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:51,160
The reason that these products 
work is because obviously one 

470
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,800
ingredients and 2:00 because of 
the flavor profile. 

471
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,440
Can you explain that a little 
bit deeper? 

472
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,080
So the flavor? 
Profile is driven by the 

473
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:07,120
ingredients, obviously, but it's
your, your body, if you will, 

474
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,480
absorbs different flavors in 
different areas in different 

475
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,280
ways, right? 
So what we're trying to do is 

476
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,160
if, if I can go back to the 
highway analogy, we're trying to

477
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,200
use the same Rd. that is being 
used to communicate this cramp 

478
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,240
message, if you will. 
So using a parallel pathway 

479
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,520
doesn't work right because that 
signal still going through and 

480
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:41,240
we found that if you neutralize 
this flavor with anything sweet,

481
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,600
it's not processed by the same 
nerve receptors that we need to 

482
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,480
disrupt to reset that cramping 
response. 

483
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:54,480
So we found like sour and spicy 
is the way to go. 

484
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,920
And this is also why you've 
heard some like rudimentary 

485
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,600
treatments, like you've heard 
people probably say, oh, I use a

486
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:07,160
mustard packet or they've 
consumed pickled brine or the 

487
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,920
the shot of apple cider vinegar,
which is something that I used 

488
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,560
to do in the early days. 
But then I found that while it 

489
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,720
would stop the cramping, then I 
had to have like gut problems. 

490
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,080
So again, it's one problem 
solved by creating another one. 

491
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,320
So it's it's all about those 
very specific flavor profiles 

492
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:36,560
being engaged by a certain nerve
receptor that happens to be the 

493
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,440
same ones that communicate this 
information. 

494
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:45,800
So sweet and I'm sorry, hot and 
sour are sort of the arenas we 

495
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,280
plan. 
But even within that, it's very 

496
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,000
specific and that's trial and 
error. 

497
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,240
It's be completely transparent. 
OK, OK. 

498
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,400
And and then just to clarify on 
a previous comment, I have tried

499
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,520
the product pickle juice before.
I've tried it during a marathon.

500
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,200
Again, I'm not a cramper, but I 
I did like the taste and I've 

501
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,240
heard about benefits of the 
product. 

502
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,760
So I tried to find it or an 
equivalent of pickle juice 

503
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,440
online, and there's powdered 
pickle juice, but you are now 

504
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,040
saying that this is not even 
pickle juice. 

505
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,800
So maybe explain that whole 
concept a little bit. 

506
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,520
Yeah, so. 
While the flavor contributes the

507
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:35,680
it's, it's the the thing that 
drives a flavor that has to be a

508
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:42,040
specific way, right? 
So we're engaging the esophageal

509
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,440
receptors at the back of your 
throat. 

510
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,960
Therefore a pill wouldn't work 
because it's bypassing that. 

511
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,080
A lozenge wouldn't work because 
it's it's trickling that down. 

512
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,440
We have to overwhelm the system 
at once. 

513
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,520
And that's why all the all these
ones that work are liquids, 

514
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,640
because you're sort of flooding 
that neural pathway at the same 

515
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:09,480
time with acetic acid pickle 
packets, if you will. 

516
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,920
Those are powders that are 
trying to replicate a flavor 

517
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,800
profile. 
But that flavor profile isn't 

518
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,840
driven by the functional 
components of those products. 

519
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,200
So just having something that 
tastes a certain way isn't 

520
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,680
necessarily going to work. 
It's the ingredients. 

521
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,640
The functional ingredients are 
driving a flavor profile rather 

522
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,240
than a flavor profile driving 
the functionality, if that makes

523
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,280
any sense. 
Yes, that makes complete. 

524
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,640
Sense awesome. 
So then one last question for 

525
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,520
people that want to give this a 
try. 

526
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:51,480
You said having one will help 
you for about 45 minutes. 

527
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,280
For people that you know are 
prone to cramping, is that what 

528
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,480
you recommend? 
Do they preventatively take it 

529
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,720
or just have it with them kind 
of as a, as a, as a shot, so to 

530
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,240
speak, if something starts going
wrong, right. 

531
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,600
So that's kind of the. 
Inconvenient part is it's only 

532
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,760
going to prevent that cramp for 
45 minutes, right? 

533
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,320
So if you're running a three 
hour marathon, you can't take it

534
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,960
right at the beginning and 
expect to have help 2 hours in. 

535
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,680
So that's kind of the 
inconvenient thing that we 

536
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,040
haven't been able to figure out.
Now, it's going to help you with

537
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,920
your sodium load up front to 
help you retain fluid. 

538
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,720
So it'll help you with your 
hydration component, but you do 

539
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,000
have to take it acutely. 
The other thing that we've 

540
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:33,000
noticed is that over time the 
efficacy will reduce. 

541
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:38,840
So I had an, a situation 
personally where I was at like a

542
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,800
mile 50 of a bike race and then 
I started getting this twinging 

543
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,040
and I took, I, I, I took a 
neural inhibitor, worked for 

544
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,520
about 45 minutes. 
Then I took it again and worked 

545
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,400
for like 35 and down and down 
and down until eventually like 3

546
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,840
hours later, it finally did 
breakthrough. 

547
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,320
So it's these competing signals 
that eventually the human body 

548
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,640
wins. 
But so that's kind of an 

549
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,440
interesting observation 
observation as well. 

550
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,640
So Long story short, if you've 
got a 45 minute window like in 

551
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,199
team sports, you can really use 
a prophylactically by taking it 

552
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,400
before and 1/2 time, you'll be 
fine. 

553
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,600
If you get like post activity 
cramping, it'll help you during 

554
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,800
your recovery phase. 
Like I used to get these 

555
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,199
terrible leg cramps like driving
home from an event and then 

556
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,400
you're like making these weird 
gestures behind the wheel, which

557
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,199
might look funny to the people 
next to you. 

558
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:33,320
And the only the other key thing
is in our studies, we've used a 

559
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,120
a volume of 10 milliliters per 
10 KGS of body weight. 

560
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,800
So and you also can't dilute it,
you can't mix it in your water 

561
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,719
bottle. 
So it's not to be taken as a 

562
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,440
supplement, to be taken as an 
inhibitor. 

563
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,480
So it has to be administered 
completely differently. 

564
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,199
Yeah, that's interesting. 
And yeah, thank you for for 

565
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:58,040
explaining that. 
And we can't wait to see what 

566
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,200
happens with all this. 
And perhaps you can let the 

567
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,360
listeners know where they can 
follow your research along if 

568
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,720
interested. 
Yeah, so. 

569
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,160
The studies are 
published@picklepower.com. 

570
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,760
You can also get some of the 
product there as well. 

571
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,080
The BYU study is published 
there, as is the Sterling 

572
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,760
University study. 
There's ways to contact us there

573
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,360
too if people have specific 
issues. 

574
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:29,240
We have a lot of professional 
sports teams and collegiate 

575
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,640
sports programs that we work 
with, so if anybody has a 

576
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,480
specific issue, go to 
picklepower.com, hit us up 

577
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,800
through the contact page. 
We're more than happy to help 

578
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,800
people work through their their 
issues and ailments. 

579
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,480
We don't ask for money for that,
we just really ask for them to 

580
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:51,200
share the information and their 
experiences because it helps us 

581
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,560
gather more knowledge in order 
to to, to further this research.

582
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:57,880
Perfect, Phillip. 
Thank you. 

583
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,200
So much, yeah. 
Thanks for having. 

584
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:00,960
Me. 
It was a lot of fun. 

585
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:05,240
All right. 
Thank you. 

586
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,280
Phillip, so much for speaking 
with me. 

587
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,040
And as you guys found out 
towards the end, he does have a 

588
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,680
huge affiliation with the pickle
juice company. 

589
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,080
You know, again, we're not 
putting this podcast out there 

590
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,080
to promote his company. 
I really liked his information 

591
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,960
that he has acquired over years 
and years of research because I 

592
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,840
feel like he was very valuable 
to teach us about muscle 

593
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,320
cramping. 
However, if you do like the 

594
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,880
pickle juice company, we've also
listed them on our website, Run 

595
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,840
Swag, and you can get a discount
there too. 

596
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,920
And that's pretty much it. 
That's all I got for today. 

597
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,680
It's nice you're staying. 
On top of things, lady, keeping 

598
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,040
all the good research out there 
so people can understand or know

599
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,440
what's happening. 
Yeah. 

600
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,760
Thank you. 
And I mean, I think a lot of 

601
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,680
times people do research and 
they have almost always an 

602
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,160
affiliation with some kind of 
brand, right? 

603
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,080
So that's almost inevitable 
because we all here on this 

604
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,640
earth to somehow earn a living, 
right? 

605
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,080
Well, a lot of times what 
happens? 

606
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,440
It happens in medicine a lot 
too, is, you know, the the 

607
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,880
funding for the research usually
comes from something. 

608
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,440
And and the places that have 
money, you know, are the ones 

609
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,080
that fund the research. 
And those are usually the 

610
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,280
companies and stuff that are 
trying to sell the drugs or 

611
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,240
create the drugs. 
So if without that, you know, 

612
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:33,080
the research might not be done. 
Yeah, somebody's going to. 

613
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,440
Do it. 
And obviously there's got to be 

614
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,840
some kind of motivation behind 
it, but he kept it super 

615
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,400
awesome. 
And I mean, towards the end of 

616
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,720
the interview, I'm like, wait, 
hold on, are you even working 

617
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:46,280
for that company? 
Because he wasn't really going 

618
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,760
into that. 
So I think it's interesting, I 

619
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,000
think it's interesting to see 
what will happen with a little 

620
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,400
pickle juice, right? 
Because right now we all notice 

621
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,120
little green bottles that 
sometimes people hand out at the

622
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,080
Expos, etc. 
But nobody really carries it for

623
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,240
the marathon because it's semi 
impractical. 

624
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,600
Plus you don't know if you're 
cramping and when you're 

625
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,480
cramping, then you need it. 
But if you don't, then you're 

626
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,120
just carrying these little tiny 
bottles around. 

627
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,800
So I'm, I'm excited to see what 
all will change with that in the

628
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,360
future as they, you know, deepen
the research and all that. 

629
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:15,640
Yeah. 
And with. 

630
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,880
Anything that's, you know, 
funded by companies, it's always

631
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,360
good to just look around and see
other other opinions if you can,

632
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,960
or see what if what they're 
saying makes sense or, you know,

633
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:30,640
try to understand how they did 
the study in, in details to make

634
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,720
sure it's not, you know, biased.
But if it sounds like good 

635
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:36,000
information, sometimes that is. 
And that's where a lot of our 

636
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,120
our studies from even major 
drugs come from. 

637
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,840
Is is from company funded? 
Yeah, exactly. 

638
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,280
So Letty. 
You're getting closer to your 

639
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,640
Kenya trip, huh? 
I am getting closer. 

640
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,760
To my Kenya trip and I'm getting
super excited about it, Ryan, 

641
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,240
not just because of the trip, 
but because, you know, we're 

642
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,440
going to actually try to film a 
documentary. 

643
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,280
And the more I learn about, 
obviously I didn't go to film 

644
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,840
school, but the more I learn 
about documentaries, the more I 

645
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,880
realize how, how much I don't 
know. 

646
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:08,280
And then you just learn more and
you are figuring stuff out 

647
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,640
slowly and, and all that. 
It's, it's a really, really cool

648
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,040
adventure and I'm very grateful 
that I get to do this cool 

649
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,280
process. 
Yeah. 

650
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,360
Yeah, well. 
Hopefully, hopefully it'll go 

651
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,600
smoothly or at least and you can
learn from it and and make 

652
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,160
better and better videos. 
Yes, and. 

653
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,840
You told me that. 
You were going to try to vlog 

654
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,440
the adventure day by day, huh? 
Yes, yes. 

655
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,320
And if. 
You guys, I mean, if you guys 

656
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,720
don't know yet, we also do have 
a YouTube channel that we've 

657
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:40,000
started this year. 
It's not big yet at all, but 

658
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,200
it's been a lot of fun. 
And so I've never blogged 

659
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,560
before, but I figured we're 
already filming this documentary

660
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,680
that's going to be having a ton 
of really high quality footage 

661
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,160
that's just going to sit there. 
Why not do a little vlog of the 

662
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,600
whole trip in the meantime, You 
know, with just like the little 

663
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,480
Insta 360 camera that I have and
just pump them out daily just. 

664
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,040
To gain a perspective of what it
looks like over there. 

665
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,960
It's a third world country. 
It's a completely different 

666
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,920
environment that I'm very 
excited about too. 

667
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,600
So with those little daily 
vlogs, I'm going to try to take 

668
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,880
you guys along. 
And the reason for that is just 

669
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,840
because I myself love watching 
that kind of video too. 

670
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:23,760
I'm not sure how it's going to 
turn out, but you know what? 

671
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,840
You guys let me know, yeah. 
You need a little subscriber 

672
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,480
boost so that that way you can 
financially or or you can 

673
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,640
benefit financially from your 
efforts in YouTube, right, Yes, 

674
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,800
yes, yes, so. 
To monetize on YouTube you need 

675
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,360
1000 subscribers. 
I think we're at like 600 right 

676
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,280
now. 
So so 400 people tell your. 

677
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,040
Friends, please just subscribe 
so that he can hopefully get a 

678
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,680
tiny bit of money for her 
YouTube channel. 

679
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:49,840
Yes exactly. 
I'm tired of. 

680
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,320
Going I'm tired of going to 
Costco and going onto the 

681
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,840
YouTube YouTube website on 
random computers and 

682
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,720
subscribing. 
I'm kidding, I don't do that. 

683
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,520
You can't do that unless you're 
logged in anyway. 

684
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:09,200
But it's crossed my mind so so. 
Far You've gone to 600 computers

685
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,560
at Costco, huh? 
No. 599 because of course my mom

686
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,040
subscribed your mom too. 
Actually, my mom and. 

687
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,880
My friends have subscribed, yes.
Anyway, so that's it for today. 

688
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,760
You guys stay tuned for next 
week. 

689
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,320
Next week we're going to have an
exciting podcast episode as 

690
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,680
well. 
We are interviewing a person 

691
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,080
that has pretty severe asthma 
and started running. 

692
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,440
And when it comes to lungs and 
lung health, it's something that

693
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,000
I personally, I'm a carrier of 
A1, which is, yeah, it's a 

694
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,720
genetic. 
Defect that makes you maybe more

695
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:50,000
prone to just like emphysema or 
other things, Yeah, and for that

696
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,680
reason. 
I didn't actually, we know that 

697
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,520
I had this until we did genetic 
testing when I was pregnant. 

698
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,520
And it always makes me wonder 
how much faster could I have 

699
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,360
been did I not have this? 
And it makes me really 

700
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,320
empathetic as well for people 
that struggle with asthma. 

701
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,480
And so this guy that you're 
going to hear about next week 

702
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,360
didn't start running until he 
had hit a certain weight, and 

703
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:19,200
then he started running and 
struggling while he was running,

704
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,680
etcetera. 
So it's a very, very 

705
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,720
inspirational episode that we 
just recorded. 

706
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:25,600
So I'm super excited for you 
guys to hear that. 

707
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,640
Yeah. 
Sounds good. 

708
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,160
All right. 
So thank you so much for. 

709
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,880
Tuning in and with that have a 
good weekend running. 

710
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,120
Thanks for tuning in. 
For more information and 

711
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,080
marathon running news, please 
head to 

712
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:46,400
www.marathonrunningpodcast.com 
and we'll be back next week.