Hello. Hello, how are you?
Hi, Anne. Thank you for having us.
You're welcome. Just so for fans and listeners,
this is the authors of the Orchid, the secret code of the
goddess. Is that what the whole title?
Modern Goddess? Of modern goddesses, yes.
OK, I loved it. I watched a little bit of your
Youtubes and whatnot. The women empowerment factor is
just amazing. How did you come to create this?
You know, the most important part at one point was that I was
looking to forgive somebody and I didn't know how to do it do it
the ABC, how to forgive. So I was really in the moment
that I was feeling completely different is like a let's share
this with the world how people can have the tools to forgive
really the steps and he was and was let's do ATV show and is no
let's do first a novel. So this novel is only to try to
provide all the listeners and the readers inspiration for them
to begin to see how is the process for you to really
understand what is awareness, gratitude, forgiveness,
acceptance and then intention to manifest anything that you want.
Some of the stories were powerful from the women in on
the YouTube that I watched. I can't wait to read the book
itself because I think it's going to be even more powerful.
What what made the two of you decide to do it together?
That's a huge piece of this. Yeah, it's it's a great
question. I think really it more than
deciding is that we were, we were going through the
transformation together, that when Rosio decided that she
wanted to take courses and read more books, it was coinciding
with my exit from my corporate career.
And it just seemed like a great thing that we should do
together. I also need a purpose in my
life. She was looking for forgiveness.
I was looking for purpose. And so we, it's a long story,
but when we first met 25 years ago, we were colleagues at work.
And so we always enjoyed working with each other and had always
been looking for an opportunity to work together again.
And it just hadn't presented itself.
And all of a sudden we're taking these courses, we're reading
books, we've read hundreds of books about everything related
to self help and energy and consciousness.
And, and we would come out of classes or finish a book and
look at each other. Is, is this for real like how
we're feeling? We just felt lighter and it
just, life got a lot easier. And so really the growth was
happening to us at the at the same time.
And that led us to more understanding our marriage
improved our daughters, we have teen daughters, they started to
change as well. So it really became a a joint
collaboration in growth and you know, and, and it just, it was
so simple for it to flow and. Everyone in the world has trauma
but don't know how to really go out of that stage.
So at one point I lost my mom when I was 20 years old.
Mentally probably I was like 14. So at one point took me 30 years
to understand all the process and how you go out of what is
trauma and forgiveness is one key element for us to
experiment. So really we were really lucky
and really blessed, very successful because we've been
living Mexico, Miami, Hong Kong, London, now LA and the corporate
career was absolutely fantastic. But at one point is not.
We discovered that is not all. And when you feel better and you
feel more empowered, then is limitless what you can achieve.
And that's what I so important to share with everyone, all your
listeners, your viewers, how is possible to do it.
And we are an example. We are nobody and then we were
able to do it. And I love, I love having people
on like yourselves. That's it's so true.
I, I work within corporate America during the day and this
is always my fun side gig, but it is very limiting.
You're, you're very heavy at the end of the day, you're, you feel
non creative. It's difficult.
And I've been in times where I've worked within corporate
America that I've left and during those times that I've
left and I was just kind of on my own, I was weightless.
Like I everything that I did, I achieved fast because you're not
weighed down anymore. So yeah, limiting taking
yourself away from environments like that, but not always can we
do that when it comes to money. So but if there's other
techniques that people like yourself share with us, help us
get through the day, even if we have to stay within that that
world of work and so. Yeah, yeah.
So one of the things that we discovered was how, as Rocio
mentioned, how limitless we are, but only after we shed
everything that weighs us down, right?
And sometimes it's a nine to five job, but you know, it's not
the nine to five job. It's something that maybe it's
limiting that it's not necessarily connected to your
ultimate purpose on this earth. And so you're misaligned, if you
will, because some people do work 9:00 to 5:00 and it's the
greatest thing for them. That's when you find that
purpose. And, and for us, the beauty was
when we realized that we had to shed and we were able to do it
through gratitude, forgiveness, acceptance, and became aware of
all these things that we could do differently.
Do better And better is a tricky word because it's not about
judgement, but really just that it could be improved.
That's when we realized that there was something that was
misaligned in US. And in my case, the way I now
explain it is when I realized that my thoughts, my words, my
emotions and my actions were all firing in different directions.
Really, it weakened me. The moment that I outlined
those, I started to feel more power, more energy, creativity
opened up so much to the point where two unknown people right
sat down and and conceived the book and connected to that, you
know, and, and I love your podcast.
It's unexplained realms, that unexplained realm that that we
don't quite really grasp because we're disconnected from it, but
it's there for the taking and that's exciting.
I I agree, very exciting. And I think what what you just
said is really truly what's wrong with people in the world.
We are misaligned all the way around.
There's so many things coming at us from different directions.
The media, the news, TikTok, whatever we're seeing out there
that our brain is saying one thing, our mouth is saying
something else and everybody just becomes frustrated and
angry. And then you have the world as
it is now. So I think if we we all we
should all take classes to learn how to realign ourselves, the
world would probably be a happier place.
Maybe. Sure, Yeah, because happy people
will lead to a happier world. Right.
I think sometimes people like to stay in that state of chaos,
like sitting in their own junk and staying there because it
becomes like safe in a sense. Like they like it's like I'm
sitting in my own junk, but it's safe here.
At least I know I can control my anger.
Well, not my anger, but the chaos around me.
Stepping out of that and trying to be a better person.
Align yourself with other people's needs as well.
That's hard work and most people don't want to do it so.
That's why we put in the novel instead of a self help book is a
novel that when you read it, you receive inspiration of how to do
it and really are the most important part that is
compassion. Compassion to everyone
ourselves, the people who they don't know better because
they've been a they, they don't know that they can achieve
different really. I was, I was trying so hard for
so many years and I did so many mistakes that I learned.
And at one point today I'm aware and I know that I can change
those mistakes and I have the words to explain how to do it.
How really can you move from one part to another?
And I know how to hold space for somebody who is learning to go
out of their comfort zone because feels weird, feels
uncomfortable. You don't know really.
And then it's lonely because it's yourself to go inside of
you. And that's why it's so
important. This is space that you are
providing for people to understand and to begin to
listen if if they see that nobody can do it.
And it's like, OK, if she can do it, I can do it.
And that's the point. Now on your YouTube, there's a
lot of women that were telling their stories.
How do you come upon them? How does how do they find you?
Do you find them? Wow.
Yeah, it's it's a little bit of everything.
Many as as any other new entrepreneur would or writer,
you start reaching out to your immediate circles, right.
So we would start telling people we told the whole world anybody
we can find. We wrote a book.
It's amazing. Please read it at that moment
was please read it. But there's been also other
people who have basically there was a I'll tell you two
different stories. African American women from
Massachusetts basically hears about the book from her
daughter, reads the book, and she's now in her 60s and she
read the book. And she's like, I've never
written to an author before, but I've read so many books in my
lifetime. And this is the first time that
I'm going to write to somebody. And she basically said, you've
written in one book. All of my emotions, all of my
feelings, all of my dreams, all of my fears.
And it's like, Oh my gosh, how beautiful.
Here we are bawling and crying. Another woman was passing by a,
a, a restaurant where we were having a presentation in Mexico
City, sees the cover of the book and it's kind of like it hits
her. It's like, what is this?
I need to read this. So she downloaded the audio book
and again later on reached out to us and now become like a, a
friend, an ambassador of the message because it touched her
so deeply. So it's been everywhere and
everything. That's amazing.
I am, I, I experienced similar things with my show.
I have people that reach out obviously for different
statements like, but it is amazing when you do something or
tell a story and it inspires someone else or it moves them
and that's amazing, you know? So yeah, no, I was, I got stuck
on your Youtubes just like I couldn't stop.
I was like, wow, lots of various stories from different women,
but also profound. And it, it, it does give you
inspiration because you're hearing from just regular women
you know, and what they've gone through their traumas and how
they move through them. So powerful stuff.
Anything else you really want readers listeners to know about
this book? That we have the privilege to be
the guardians of this message. It's not we did it.
It's something that came and we really move to do it for them to
take. I, I will add something and we
alluded to this before. It it you did as well.
It's, it's scary. It's difficult to go and pluck
the spine from your body or to go to that little dark place or
dark box where you've hidden away, you know, trauma, pain,
experiences, hurt. And what we wanted to do because
look, we're, we're both survivors of sexual abuse.
We've gone through difficult situations, single mothers, I
mean, you name it, right? I I tried to end my life too and
then not very deep. So many challenge, so many
challenges. At one point I was a friend of
mine. It's like a Rosio, everything
happens to you. And I was yes, I know I want
that to stop. And that's, I think was only to
come here today and say again, if I did it, who I have not
support at all. And I break with the with the
pattern of pain victim home and poverty and insecurities.
All of them is like a, you know, anyone can do it because again,
it's not that I'm a special. It's only that at one point I
was really when I understand that the the growth is when you
go in the of comfort, then I begin to be comfortable in the
comfortable. Right.
I think you talk about ending life and whatnot, and I think
those who have experienced that, when you recover from it, truly
recover and understand why and what took you to that place,
you've become powerful. You become powerful because if
you did the work to try and find out, like why did I end up on
that Cliff? Why am I trying to throw myself
off the Cliff? And once you, once you go head
on into what you, why you did it, you, you literally become
powerful. And I think I think just hearing
you guys traumas, you've probably done your work.
You came, you came to them, you face them and now you become
powerful and you have a message for other people.
So I think listeners, watchers, you're experiencing hardships in
life, pick this book up because these two are powerful at this
point, nothing can stop them too.
That's so kind. Thank you.
It really, it really is a wonderful book in which you
don't have to do anything, you just have to follow the lives of
these five women. There's thirty of them, but
you're going to follow 5. And they through their intimate
moments, sharing their experience, their thoughts, you
start to see yourself in them, see aspects of your life or
other people in your life in them.
And through their experience, you start to feel something.
And, and what we say is it begins as following five women,
but by the time we finish, we're really following six people, the
five women and you, the reader. And it really just become a, a
personal journey of transformation.
And they become your friends. And in the process, you start to
acquire tools that are easy tools to, you know, and, and
tools that we all talk about are sometimes hidden in front of us.
And that's why we call it the secret code, because really,
forgiveness, gratitude, all these things are really for the
taking and easily accessible for all of us.
But we need to do the the work. And you know what is the best
part? That when you read, that when
you read the novel, you understand that you are not
alone. Yeah.
A lot of people are passing the same things, but we've been
really shy to be vulnerable because it still hurts.
But in the moment that you go and understand the big picture
of your life in the game, it's like a nothing else can touch
me. That moment is is a beautiful
connection with yourself. Your heart expands the way that
when you are loved for first time to somebody, but instead of
putting in somebody else, it's yourself.
That moment is like your life begins to change in a very deep
way and never going back because you are really careful then that
you are the most important person in your life and you
begin to understand how important is to invest in
yourself. Right.
I had a guest on a week or so ago, Joy Baker, and we were
talking about manifestation. And I always tell people when
they say I can't feel just like what you said, Imagine being in
a new relationship like that, feeling that high and feel that
without being in a relationship. And that's how you find your
power. That's how you find how to feel.
So yeah, good stuff. So in the book, the women that
you follow, are they characters or are they true stories from
people? The women, with the exception of
1 aspect of one of the women, they're really us.
They're our stories, these five women and and that's why they
feel really relatable. One is divorced, she's been
divorced for five years and can't get over it right.
And we both experienced mothers who experienced that and
another. And I've been divorced.
And she's there's another one that is at the top of her game
at an NGO, at a nonprofit, but she's not enjoying it because
she only sees the glass half full, half empty, half empty.
Exactly the thank you. The other one is gay and has not
been able to tell her parents at 30 that she is for fear of not
being loved and accepted. There's another 1A model that
was sexually abused in her line of work at 16 years old and is
still dealing with the trauma, even though she's happily
married, dealing with the trauma and, and the aftermath of that.
And there's another one that is angry at the world because she's
had to fight for everything with tooth and nail.
And so that's the only way she knows how to relate to the world
around her. And so these are the women and
they all come to this wonderful spot which is it's it's
fictitious, but it's near Mount Shasta.
And there they TuneIn into a group of women who provide a
circle of just love and understanding and non judgement.
A safe. Space, a safe space for them to
really go into that dark place and, and, and start saying, OK,
maybe I can heal. And, you know, it doesn't
happen. And the beauty is that it's a
novel. So there is, you know, there is
some friction and fiction, but unlike any other novel, the
friction, it's all internal. Because really that's where the
pain is. That's where the real drama in
our lives. It's internally, it's just that
we think it's external. And so we blame it on things and
we put the, the, the responsibility on other things
since that's all we've been taught to do.
But really the drama, the real 1 is inside of us.
And the moment you start going in and doing all that work and
cleansing and loving it, because really that's the work, it's
loving you so deeply that that just heals you, that they begin
to accept that power and they become the powerful women that
they are. I can I can identify with a few
of those characters. So that would make sense.
Like how people when they pick up the book, they would feel
inspired because I think I think it's the most hard for women in
the world. It's just it's always been, I
think we fight with more, more traumas.
We have more reasons to fear things than than men do.
So any any thoughts on like another version or a second,
like a carrying on the book or maybe an entirely different
book? Oh yeah.
Yes. Is the book, is the beginning.
Is the beginning or not journey a beautiful journey and we want
this to be ATV show for one reason.
Because when you read the book, the intention is you feel great
about who you are today and without any judgment you can
move from this way of thinking to another way of thinking.
So when we can begin to grasp and to see how incredible is to
heal ourselves, our relationship, the lineage and
begin to have this community and this language and understanding,
then what we want to do is to create more stories to empower
people to feel high, high, and really with possibilities,
expanding their mind, expanding their, they, the anything.
And then is the most important part that we want to do.
Do you want to add? Something.
Yeah, I think look, and it's so exciting that you watch some of
our podcasts with these amazing women.
One of the things that we're going to do for the second
season of the podcast is to dedicate it all to men who have
read the book and are also experiencing their own
transformation. Because I believe that what's
happening in the world is that really over the past five, 6-7
hundred years, we've been punishing the female energy and
keeping it down and tight down. And it needs to be unleashed and
unleashed so that it's like the two legs on a body, on our human
body anyway, where we're both standing with those two columns
firmly on the ground. We're walking with one leg
essentially. And so we need the feminine
energy, both in the world, in the women, but also in the men
to be healed so that we're more equitable, more balanced in our
decision making, in our acts, in our behavior.
And I think that's happening already.
I mean, look at me, I, I, I feel that.
And I've come across many men to do as well.
And I think this part of the healing of our world that needs
to happen for that. And that's why we've really
dedicated the first book to, you know, modern goddesses 'cause it
really is about the feminine energy first, at least this
conversation. Right.
I, I, I always find it odd how women are not in, in more power
in the world. I mean, we create life for
crying out loud. Like, I mean, when you really
step back and look at birth itself, I mean, a human comes
from our body. Like how crazy that we don't
have more power and voice And men aren't, not to be cliche,
but why aren't men worshipping women?
I mean, without women, they wouldn't be here.
They would be able to, I think, succeed more and have more
empathy and, you know, just softness if they really focused
on feminine power more than the masculine power that we see in
the world. So now do you guys do?
Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry.
No, what I want to say is we are healing, we are healing and we
need teach more people to heal. What happened 5 seconds ago
doesn't matter anymore. So we need to move forward.
Is is really why we keep looking to the past when we can now feel
good about ourselves and really look forward.
Because what we look in the present is until you don't heal
your past, you cannot fully move forward.
So the best part is to take this very seriously.
But not because it's not difficult.
You are not alone and have joy when you are investing in
yourself is with joy, with really understanding that this
not doesn't need to be terrible and difficult.
But when you feel fantastic about yourself and you forgive
all your past and anything that happened, then in that mean
moment you are free and freedom comes to do whatever you want
later. Because if not, you are created
for a place of luck, not for a place of abundance.
Right. Do you guys do speaking events
or anything like that or tell me more about that?
Yeah. You know, it's, it's an evolving
thing. We have focus for almost the
entirety of our time over the past.
The book was published February of last year of 24.
So we've been focused on making sure that the book is widely
distributed and available. And we're still doing that.
We're self published. So it takes a little bit more
energy and and time, but what's happening is that as people are
reading the book, as they're connecting, we're adapting the
book and its message to different audiences.
So for example, we're doing speaking engagements.
Focus on how this key, this five key lessons, right?
Awareness, gratitude, forgiveness, acceptance and
intention are tools that you can use to be a conscious
entrepreneur, to be a better parent, to be a better
businesswoman. Because ultimately, when you
anchor those in your life and you apply the learnings of those
experiences, really they change the way you look at the world
and everything around you. And not only that, I mean,
obviously, and again, we're in in a podcast called Unexplained
Realms, energy that emanates from you when you are aligned
starts to change people, even if you don't even look at them
because you're just a walking ball of positivity, of love that
impacts people just by being around you, just by knowing that
you exist and by listening to your words, no matter where they
are, they could be on the other side of the world.
And so we're looking for more opportunities to share that.
And yes, they're popping up more and more.
So it happens. That's amazing.
I look forward to to like a male version in your podcast, like a
little bit more of male voices because that's going to be
powerful. Yeah.
So with the with the book, you've got another you've said
maybe another one coming or an idea behind it.
Is it similar to this or is it are you just going to keep it
under wraps? Well, I mean, look, we're
looking at we're looking at many things.
There's many stories. The book, as it happens, is this
right, The spy in which it is women go.
We're not even speaking. We spent a little bit of time
explaining the origin of the spa and the women who founded it,
who went through her own traumas, but had, you know, more
of economic abundance to travel the world and look at the
wisdoms that that really reside everywhere in the world, right?
Because that's the beauty of the world that when you pay
attention and you, you're open yourself up, the answers come to
you because they're everywhere. And there's also healers from
all over the world that came to this place and they have
powerful stories. They're all from different
backgrounds. So that's also can be explored,
but also what how they. Became healers.
And how they became healers as well.
And perhaps one of the other things is there's so many women
out there whose stories need to be told, whose stories of
healing and growth and expansion are either similar or even more
exciting than some of the stories that we're telling.
So we'd love to tell those stories, too.
And so we're open. We're really just trying to be
calm, as Rocio said, conduits of this greater message, however it
chooses to present itself. And, and so, yeah, there
there'll be more. And of course, the TV will keep
us busy. We want to tell, I want to
reiterate what Rocio said. We want to make sure that we're
telling stories that leave the people who hear them and who
read them better than the story found them.
And that's the goal, that people are like, whoa.
And not just what a great story I just saw.
It's wow. That story told me so much about
me and how great I am. That's what we want people to
feel after reading the book. I am I, I'll speak sometimes on
our discussion episodes. Like I also went through some
pretty horrific trauma at a young age and I'm getting into
it too much because of my day dog, but I don't really want
things out there too much. But over the years, one of the
things that I did to heal was spoke on panels for other young
women who would similar issues. And every time I spoke or every
time I touched someone or helped them heal, it, it, it, it was
like more power. I, I gained more power behind
myself, you know, like propelling myself forward.
So I think that showcasing healers and, and helping people
heal is, is going to lift us all up, you guys, the rest of
everybody else, more and more people getting healed.
Can you imagine what the world would look like?
I know we can't imagine it for sure.
For sure, we can imagine and that's why it's so important the
the the consciousness of every person because matters matters
how you feel and what vibration you are.
If you feel heavy, how you can begin.
If you see on us that we feel lighter and we feel empowered,
and you can see that is because he's already inside of you.
But now it's like how I can get it, how I can get it.
So that's the most beautiful part of the transformation.
Enjoy the process. Do you ever do one-on-one
sessions with people that you meet or you come across like
teaching them how to heal? Like some people come to me and
I'm like, I'm not an expert, I have no idea.
But you guys are a little more like, you know, focused on on it
and I would say more expert. So do you have people say, I
don't understand teach me how to do this?
Like, do you help people in that way, like?
Yes, now we teach people how to do it through the novel, the
novel exercise, because what they are learning there.
Look, at one point we did a master in spiritual psychology.
We read 200 books. We spend so much time and so
much money to access to this knowledge that is here like in
the top. And what we want is that that
information pass. Here to trickle down.
You see why we are putting all that information for people to
see it in a book who is only $2499 instead of paying 30,040
thousand for really access this information.
And when I was going to therapy or two different healers, the
healers cannot tell you all of them the blueprint of, of what
to expect or how to do it. So it's important that when you
don't have the money, at least you can access to the knowledge
a little by little you and your house, you can go to that spot
that the noble is inviting you. Because it's not only for the
rich and famous. No, no, no.
It's for anyone who is open to receive the knowledge.
There there's a great saying, it comes from the Bible that says
teach somebody, give somebody a fish and they will eat for one
day. Teach them how to fish and
they'll eat for a lifetime. And one of the important things
that we believe in is that the answers are inside of you.
And when you tap into you, when you really make space and time,
and maybe it's one minute of meditation, maybe it's just a
silent walk in the, you know, in by the ocean or under a tree.
When you tap into you, the universe gives you answers to
those questions. So really the most important
thing and, and and we will sit, we don't do professional
coaching per SE, but we don't deny anyone who's coming in
front of us. We end up speaking with someone
like, yeah, yesterday we were having a drive and we bought
fruit from a stand across the road.
And we ended up staying there 45 minutes having a conversation
with someone that was deep about forgiveness and acceptance.
And so in a way that is our coaching, if you will.
But The thing is, it's available through the book and that's what
we want people to do, because in the book people put their guard
down 'cause you're just reading a story and it's easier to
swallow. Yeah, I agree that that that
chance meeting at a fruit stand that sounds universal.
It it was put in front of you, you and I think the book you
everybody go by it. It's I can't wait to read it,
but I think that there's a larger path here.
Yeah, you guys are on a larger path for not just the novel, but
healing helping. There's not enough of us in the
world that would speak these kind of healing words and there
needs to be. So that's amazing.
I cannot wait to read this. I I got to peek at it a little,
but I didn't get, I didn't actually get to read the whole
thing, but I forgot what I was going to add another thought.
But anyway, anything else you guys want to have out there
about this process, the journey, the book?
I, I, I, I think it's important to reiterate to the people who
are listening, it feels really, really difficult, but we're more
powerful than our thoughts and we would love to encourage you
to acquire the book, The first episode, the first episode, the
1st chapter is available online both in audio book and read in
YouTube. In English and Spanish.
In English and Spanish, the audio book is really beautiful
so that you can get it a sense for whether it resonates with
you. A few things that are really
important. The book is non judgmental.
This is not about oh, how did you, why did you?
This is really about you saying I want to change.
I'm at a point in my life where I need change and I've been
looking for it and I just need more help or I want more points
of contact. As a reminder, we read hundreds
of books and each one of them added a little bit of that piece
of the puzzle that gave us a view.
But the beauty of it is what we've said, it really is soft,
it's kind. It isn't the energy of love.
If I may. And can I read just the
dedication? Absolutely.
You can read anything you want. I'm excited to hear this so.
Thank you, thank you. Well, look, the dedication is
very short and it says to all who journey through these pages,
may you be inspired to rewrite your own narrative and live a
life of love, free of limitations and enriched by the
knowledge that you are powerful beyond belief.
That's what we hope the reader walks away with, the
understanding that there's so much going on around us and
makes us feel little, makes us feel powerless.
Disconnect. Disconnected from each other.
But the truth is that you are powerful beyond belief.
And when you tap into that power, but yes, you do have to
do a little bit of work. Forgive, let go.
The Buddhist say that when we don't forgive, it's like walking
with a hot coal in our hands, looking for that person that
hurt us with the intention of throwing it in that person.
And the fact is, you almost never find the person.
And if you throw it, you probably miss.
The only person that gets hurt is you.
But when you throw away the cold and you say I am not going to
carry it anymore, you reclaim that power and that's how you're
giving away to whatever you need to ask yourself, what am I
giving my power to? It could be an addiction, it
could be a person, it could be a situation, it could be a job, it
could be food. Reclaim your power and all of a
sudden that power is available for you to now start using it
for what? For your dreams, for your
aspirations, for the life that you really want to live.
It's so true. I, I talked to, I talked about
this in one of my other episodes, like my trauma that I
went through it, it took a minute like 2 things are
spiraling. I just can't figure out life.
I don't know what to do. And I just said one day I'm done
with this. What I want is this, this and
this out of life. So once I threw it away, threw
it away like I told that last guest, it came back like a
boomerang with power for me, like and I, I was able to
springboard through life. And yeah, we just, we have to
learn. But if you don't know how and
you just feel stuck, these are why you This is why you need to
buy this book. So helping you learn.
Thank you so much and really what I've been discovered and I
was at one point when I was feeling so good.
I was telling a friend who she was in the same journey and
feeling great and it's like a white people are not like a
working more in themselves. This message needs to be spread
to everyone. And she was.
I don't understand. This sounds like a way a dog has
a silk como chamas, a whistle, a whistle for a dog.
And some people come. Not everyone want to come and
see. They don't want to see that
cabinet that they put things that for them it feels super
difficult to conquer. And now that I conquer them,
that's why it's so important to have this a group of people.
It's like a written book with friends who can each other live
up. A trusted circle.
A trusted circle because is we need the space for ourselves and
our friends to really understand that this journey can be
fantastic without judging, judging anyone.
No one is perfect, no one knows everything.
I know more and I know less is and is this humbleness,
vulnerability that when beside the power you want to say
something. No, I mean, it's, it's just, it
feels. I'm sure someone watching says
hi, Gosh, I'm never going to feel like these guys are crazy.
And that's how we used to feel. Except you start little by
little, right? And look, one exercise it.
And, and again, these exercises are in the book for everybody to
use because they're simple. But one exercise is looking at
yourself in the mirror and saying I love you, but doing it
long enough for it to be truly felt in that deepest bottom,
dark part of that little body of yours that doesn't think that
love is achievable, deserved, warranted.
And so we asked the women in the book to say it, using Amala to
say it 108 times so that you know, the 1st 20 probably don't
feel real. But then by the time you're on
30 and 40, you start to feel really deep when you're looking
at yourself in your eyes in the mirror and you're saying, I love
you. I love you unconditionally.
You are the greatest thing that ever happened to me.
And we don't talk our to ourselves that way, yet we're so
willing to tell a friend some kind word and we forget that the
biggest friend that we have is ourselves.
So that's just an example of the exercises.
That's why they're really simple.
That that is truly something that works for people I know
come across people, they're like, Oh my God, some of your
guests. That's so crazy.
Well, maybe you should actually listen or try it because through
my journey and my healing and just being OK in the world I I
had when you go through trauma, whatever it is, sometimes you
blame yourself and you, you literally can't even look in the
mirror. You just can't.
And when you force yourself to, and I did, I had to force
myself, look at the mirror, study yourself, love yourself,
every little piece of flaw, blemish, because no one else is
going to love you the way you love you because this is this is
it on this earth. We have this body, this mind, we
need to love it. But yeah, looking in the mirror
is is profound. And forcing yourself to do it,
it's hard, but I think doing it regularly, it becomes easier.
And once you overcome that part where I can't look in the mirror
anymore, everything else kind of opens up and you're able to move
forward with your healing. So excellent guide book for
people that need to heal. Yeah, yeah, Consider yourself an
athlete, right? No one, no one ever woke up one
day and said I've never ran before, but I'm going to run a
marathon today. That doesn't happen, but if you
start slowly and a few minutes of running every day and then
you add up a few more and you start eating better and so on.
So really the connection with yourself is similar.
Start gentle, start small, be kind, find the love within.
It's there. Keep searching, keep staring at
that mirror and and wait. And all of a sudden you one day
you'll be like, oh, I don't know what that was, but I felt for a
little bit of time, I felt better, like relieved and, and
it starts adding up. But really read the book because
the book really takes you by the hand so gently that ultimately
those experiences happen almost unbeknownst to you.
And but when you look back, you're like so many women have
come to us and said, I remember things about my past that I had
not, that I had forgotten simply because I allowed myself
everyone. Has a different journey.
Yeah. It's like a 80 different
journeys out there. So really is that's why.
So don't compare ourselves to no one, right?
Only compare yourself with yourself and have this
connection with you because somebody did it.
For example, now I see my daughters that at 19 and 17 they
have this information, so they going to have a different
experience in life. So I saw my mom died when she
was 48, so she didn't have any tools and she was totally sad.
So I saw somebody who died of depression and I saw my life how
from being a being a lost cause and no one understand me.
What happened to all I know now And I can understand and I can
give the tools to more people for them to have to understand,
to understand, to have compassion, to really provide
safe space and not always needs to be you need to pay, pay, pay
or or, I don't know. So that's why it's so important
to have these conversations and understand.
I agree with with your saying with, you know, our, our
parents, what we've seen from them is what we learned.
And if they were struggling through our childhood and no one
ever teaches us that, that we can step out of that, then we
will struggle. People like yourselves and
myself, my children, I know are 100% more armed and educated
than I ever was minor. I have several kids.
Two of them are adults in the world already and one's still at
home, but their experience and their journey has never been as
hard as mine was ever. And I feel like it's because I
went through, I learned and I was able to share with them,
Hey, wait, don't do this. Because so we, we definitely can
be stuck in a generational trauma because of our not that
our parents were bad or horrible, but whatever they
didn't know how to get through. We couldn't teach us.
So. And that's why it's super
important to empower women because a woman like yourself
can heal a family themselves, then the family, and then all
the circle. And look how a powerful woman
like yourself can do. So imagine all of us really
looking in the same direction of support, sisterhood, and for a
place of love. I'm circling back to what you
had said earlier about having like the safe group of friends
or even if it's just one I really miss having that.
I don't find myself with too many around me these days.
I'm pretty busy, but having a safe space with people that are
maybe going through different journeys, I mean, just because
you're not going through the same thing they're going through
doesn't mean you can't assist each other.
So I think book promotes that camaraderie and helpful.
We, we have found that there's a lot of people who are reading it
as families. We have a number of families who
are reading it. We have a number of women
friends who are reading it as a book club.
There is fathers and daughters, mothers and daughters, daughters
and mothers. And so there's something also
deeper to that, which is not only is it great for you to
share that journey with others, think about this cosmically and
energetically, right? There is stuck energy in all of
us. The moment that you start
unstocking that energy, all of a sudden this is energy that is
now available for the taking, for the exploitation, for
living. And so if you're able to do it
with a larger group of people, the ripple effect is that much
greater. And therefore so is the energy
available for its for for use. And so do it for all of those
reasons. And look, there's always going
to be someone who says, I don't know, this always sounds so woo
woo or whatever. In our book, the first lesson is
awareness. And in awareness, there's we
talk about limiting beliefs, but specifically we talk about
looking at yourself. And all we're really saying is
take a moment to observe yourself as if you were
observing yourself on a theater. You're in the audience and
you're looking at you and you're like, why?
It's Angel talking that way? Where does it come from?
Why does he react? Why does he feel that way?
And if you like what you see, that by all means continue doing
it. This is more for the people who
are looking at themselves and saying, you know, I don't really
like that about me, or I don't I, I've become my mom or I've
become my dad or I've become whatever.
If there is a chance that you are in that place, then the
author of the book is, well, would you consider changing it?
And if you, the answer is yes, here's some ways in which you
can do that. So that really is the process
that's. Amazing.
We're heading into the hour mark here.
So is there anything else that you guys want to just share
about the book, about the journey?
It's that. Privilege to be here, yes.
Well, thank you. It's amazing to have you guys
on. So yeah, amazing.
I love the book cover. It's very beautiful.
And orchids. Any specific reason why the
title The Orchid? Yes, yes, it's like a remember
orchids are really feminine. There are more than 30,000
around the world and what what we want to convey is every woman
is beautiful and special by themselves already that the way
they are today. So we don't need to try to fix
the box that people put there in the commercials and things like
that. No, no, no.
On the contrary is let's celebrate difference.
Let's celebrate how beautiful we are.
Yeah. Awesome.
OK, well I will have your links. I know it's on Amazon and
there's a couple of places I found it, so I'll throw those
links in the show notes on YouTube, Spotify and wherever
else. You guys don't have a website,
do you? We do.
It's www.theorchidbook.com. OK.
I'll throw that in there as well for people to click on.
And anytime you want to come back, just let me know.
Well, if you please share your address with us later and so
that we can mail you a special copy of the book, we would love
for you to read it and hopefully, you know, have a
conversation. Yeah, we can have that.
Maybe come back and we'll have a conversation episode about it.
I did e-mail you my address, so I look.
For it, fantastic. I will read it immediately and
you're going to hear from me afterwards.
Thank you for the space and for the beautiful, beautiful
conversation. You.
Thank you. All right.
We'll see you guys later. Thank you.
Ciao.