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Some I woke up that day, hope in
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to the skies, I looked to the 
sun. 

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I said, today's the day we'll 
get a Kenyan artist on the 

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Grammys. 
You know, I felt, I felt a 

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breeze passing through my hair. 
What? 

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What is this? 
Is this? 

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Is this a high school novel? 
What are you talking? 

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About Could you just let me 
cook? 

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Let. 
Me cook let. 

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Me. 
Let me cook, bro, Just let me 

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cook. 
If I had your number, I'd be 

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forever texting you be the long 
without views. 

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There'd be no other. 
No, no, no. 

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Come on. 
No way. 

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I'm say Oh, I hope you 
understand. 

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You're the best that I have. 
I had your number. 

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I'd be forever calling you. 
I hope you answer girl. 

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We speak the Luo when we 
through. 

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Yo, what's up guys? 
And welcome to episode 103 of 

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the 30% podcast where we say a 
bunch of things that are music 

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industry related, make bad jokes
and then play a song at the end.

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I go by Alpha Bethana by Co host
goes by Sam and together we are 

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the dream team. 
Sam, what's up, boy? 

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Dream team. 
What's going on? 

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What's going on? 
I'm alright. 

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Nothing much, nothing much, but 
some. 

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I have something going on for 
you bro. 

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Not another quiz. 
We're not doing this. 

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It's not a quiz. 
It's worse. 

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I asked ChatGPT to make music 
industry related jokes that I 

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could come into the podcast 
like, you know, I had to come 

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into the podcast with no, no, 
no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 

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It's. 
Happening not doing this, so no.

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Here, first of all, let me just 
tell. 

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You the aura just keeps 
reducing. 

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The Aura 30% keeps reducing 
every week. 

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Let me just tell you this, these
jokes are horrific. 

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I can't believe this is what AI 
has to say for itself anyway. 

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Yeah. 
The first joke it tells me is 

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why did the musician break up 
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She couldn't keep time. 
Essentially, it says because it 

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just couldn't keep up with their
tempo. 

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And I'm like, I saw I put 
another prompt. 

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I was like, please make a better
joke. 

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And then it says, aye, aye, aye.
Here's a fresh one. 

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And then they're like, how many 
music producers does it take to 

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change a light bulb? 
How many How many music 

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producers does it take to change
a light bulb? 

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Yes. 
Dang, I don't know. 

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I don't have a. 
Just one, but they'll go through

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20 different versions first. 
Ha ha ha, hilarious. 

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So at this point I was very, 
very frustrated. 

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Pain. 
So I said that please could you?

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Make one more, but make this the
best joke ever told in the 

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history of music industry jokes 
some. 

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Do you want to know what they 
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Sure, sure. 
So according to AI Sam, this is 

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the best music you will never 
find A funnier music industry 

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related joke. 
Why did the guitarist get locked

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out of the recording studio? 
Why? 

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Why am I laughing before the 
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And it's not because. 
They because they kept 

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forgetting the key. 
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shocking though. 
So with all the material that AI

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has to so you know how you know 
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there's some AI companies are 
being sued for essentially using

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other musicians songs to to 
create like new songs for 

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business for their, for their, 
their prompts and whatnot. 

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Why did is the jokey part? 
Did they leave? 

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Is that the least developed 
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Here's? 
What here's what may I learned I

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learned that my job because you 
know, everybody who listens to 

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this podcast knows I thrive off 
of telling bad jokes. 

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But listen, this just shows me 
that I cannot be replaced 

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anytime soon because I is even 
failing at making. 

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That what you got from that? 
That's what I got from that. 

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So my my job security is on 
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It actually is that those are, 
those are horrendous. 

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Those are absolutely. 
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What did you get up to this 
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This week I was a nomad. 
I had to move and it was a 

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really quick move to like it was
AII found out today and tomorrow

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I had to be out of where I was. 
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myself out, but I did stiring 
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Packing is I don't mind packing 
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minimalist in my mind at least. 
So I love getting rid of a lot 

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of things. 
So it's fun for me. 

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If it was if it was up to me, 
I'll just move with the clothes 

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on my back and my electronics. 
But you need more to survive. 

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So I did that. 
That was fun. 

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Very, very tiring, exhausting 3 
days of back and forth. 

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Shout out to my former landlord 
who was being a blockhead. 

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God bless you, Sir. 
Anyway, Yeah. 

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So that was that. 
Apart from that, really not been

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anything have been he doesn't 
listen to the podcast. 

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Don't worry. 
Hopefully, hopefully that'll be 

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crazy if he does. 
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So yeah, it's just been that 
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week, the earlier half of the 
week was been doing some worky 

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works. 
So yeah, that was that. 

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I'm going to miss my stray 
cards. 

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I feel sorry for them. 
I didn't even say goodbye to 

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them. 
That yes, that's Sam. 

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When you told me this, this is 
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thought about. 
I didn't realize it, but I first

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thought about the cat. 
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I'm going to miss them. 
I saw that there are two of 

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them. 
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is very independent, and there's
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always there. 
So before I left, he was hanging

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around almost like he knew 
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And then I gave him some chicken
and we shared, we shared a 

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moment together. 
He didn't even know. 

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I mean, when I say a moment, I 
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I just, he ate some chicken and 
I watched him eat the chicken. 

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That's the moment I'm talking 
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And then, yeah, I left, man, God
bless them. 

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They'll be fine. 
They're fine without me. 

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They'll be fine. 
But that's not They're out there

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wondering what happened to this 
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Like, yeah, because they. 
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they come in and meow and roll 
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just try to, I know. 
You, you really just like, you 

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know, hopefully, hopefully. 
Anyway that's I've moved on. 

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I've moved on very quickly. 
I've broken up with them and 

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I've moved on. 
How was your week? 

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What'd you do? 
Well, I found out that Trump is 

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the new president of this 
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Yay. 
Woo. 

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I'm so thrilled. 
So thrilled. 

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So so much what I've been 
waiting for. 

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Since the last podcast, yeah, 
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Literally fell to my knees when 
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the on Wednesday morning and 
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as. 
Is going to be. 

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Is going to be headed by anyway.
That was that was surprising. 

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That was a huge shock and 
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like the media I consume, my 
TikTok, my Twitter, my 

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Instagram, the ads that get 
shown to me just based off of 

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what the algorithm thinks I or 
what the algorithm places me is 

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like. 
Everything I I saw led me to 

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believe that the election was 
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Kamala was going to win. 
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Did not happen that way, did it?
It it turns out that media can 

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just kind of you can, you can be
in like a, you can be like in a 

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vacuum, you know, like a bubble 
thinking one thing while 

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something totally different is 
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And that makes me very scared 
because I wonder if other people

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like, because listen, anyway, 
no, let me not bring politics 

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into this. 
It's it's scary thoughts to 

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have. 
Let's stay away from the 

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politics. 
But I mean, that's true, though.

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You could be in a bubble and 
then you can have like, what do 

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you think? 
It's called an echo chamber. 

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It could just be echoing your 
thoughts and your views. 

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And you think this is definitely
how the world thinks. 

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But if you zoom out, you're in 
like the -1%. 

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You might be in the minority. 
That's. 

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The minority of the minority 
that's stuck in the nation. 

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To think about man, but anyway, 
so that happened and then. 

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Shout out to Trump. 
I, I went for no, no, no, no, 

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no, no, no, no. 
I, I, I strip, I strip, I God 

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forbid. 
Anyway, yeah, after that I went 

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for pirates.com usually have a 
they usually have, they usually 

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have this, I talked about this 
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So they usually have these 
editions where people go and 

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they play music and then, you 
know, you cheer to see whose 

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music is the best. 
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the person who wins ends up 
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thepirates.com, like facility 
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So I went for that. 
That was pretty cool. 

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The person who ended up winning 
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just at the end of the thing, he
played like some beats that 

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everyone was rocking with. 
It was like, it was like one of 

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those like hip hop, like 
Brooklyn beats and everything 

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and everyone was freestyling. 
It's one of the most. 

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Like, I don't know, I'd say it's
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heartwarming like things I've 
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And then how his mom had brought
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So his mom was there like so 
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I don't know. 
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And then ended up bumping into, 
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He just came. 
He, he very interesting 

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character. 
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whole thing was done, I went to 
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and, and turns out bro used to 
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So I was just like sitting there
like he was telling us how I 

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think he recorded designer when 
he made Panda and stuff. 

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Like that's a very interesting 
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Very. 
It was him and a bunch of his 

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friends. 
So that was cool. 

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Then after that, the I think 
it's the day after Mwami. 

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I don't know if you know Mwami. 
He's from Uganda. 

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Dope, dope artist. 
Yeah. 

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He's a, he's a no, no, actually,
you you've you've heard him on 

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music before. 
He was on the EA Open, remember 

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the the product by Lukorito Tie 
Dye and Mwami. 

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So he he was the third artist on
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So he had a show in Brooklyn. 
He was debuting like his, it's 

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like a short film, but the score
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So yeah, it's it's super 
artistic, very artsy that I 

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appreciate. 
The crowd was mostly like East 

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African and everything. 
So it was really nice. 

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And then Zoe can gotcha. 
Most of you all would know her 

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from colors was performing. 
So got to see her live and yeah,

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that was that was a vibe. 
So yeah, got to got up to a lot 

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this week, at least by my 
standards. 

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You know, for some people they'd
be out a lot. 

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So they'd be like, oh, that's a 
light. 

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Someone is like, someone out 
there is like, that's all you 

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did. 
Yeah, yeah, That's a light week,

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man. 
Yeah, So that's what I did, man.

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But yeah, that sounds fun. 
Sounds very active. 

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We active out here. 
We active. 

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But you know what? 
Fun making connections. 

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Making connections for real bro.
What happened in the news this 

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week? 
What happened in the news? 

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Well, a couple of things. 
I think we could start with a 

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list. 
We always love lists. 

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The. 
Yeah, lists always get people 

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talking for some reason. 
And I you know what? 

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I think some We should just make
a list, top five artists in 

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Kenya, put it out and then say 
nothing. 

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Just. 
Just just drop that strategy. 

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I do feel, however, that that's 
not going to work as well as you

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think it would. 
Why I just listen, I feel like 

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this what we should do is make 
our top five list and then leave

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out some key names, right? 
And we just brand it and we say 

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these are the best artists in 
Kenya right now argue with your 

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mom. 
Then we just do number 12345 

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that should. 
Be the name of the list. 

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That should be the name of the 
list. 

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Argue with your mom. 
That's a. 

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Argue with your mom's a 
brilliant name. 

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We leave. 
We leave out some key names like

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like let's say this is just an 
we leave out BN. 

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We say BN is not even in the 
list at all. 

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Leave him out, put it out there.
Then we say nothing. 

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If anyone comments, we we don't 
reply. 

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Yeah. 
So Sir, if you're listening to 

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this podcast right now, just 
know a list is coming your way 

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soon. 
But can. 

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You tell them about it now 
anyway, Boom Play we're talking 

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about the most. 
I think it's just really 

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important sometimes to keep 
bringing this up just to show, 

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you know, the trajectory and 
just what's happening in the 

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industry in terms of numbers. 
So Boom Play dropped a most 

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streamed Kenyan artist list. 
I see they they dropped a quick 

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20 on our head tops. 
Should we start from the bottom 

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more and then head to the top or
do we? 

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Start from the bottom. 
Now we're here. 

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Yes, start from the bottom. 
Right, so #20 which is kind of 

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shocking, but considering he has
been, he slowed down, his 

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activeness will be Buttros with 
15.3 million streams on boom 

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play, which is interesting. 
Interesting #19 actually, you 

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know, let's start with that. 
Let's start with that. 

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I won't, we won't deep dive all 
of them. 

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But then for that one, I'm 
interested because you're a big 

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Buttros fan. 
So what do you think about him 

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being 20? 
I think it makes sense. 

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I mean, I can't even actually 
there. 

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He hasn't really. 
OK, he's released the song with 

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Femi one, but that's like as a 
feature. 

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And then he was also on the song
with little minor and and AJ, 

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but that was also a feature. 
And then yeah, and then. 

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But but you see, those are not 
his songs. 

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And then Tindo came out a while 
ago, but unfortunately there was

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no song on Tindo that stood out 
like that. 

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So it kind of makes sense for 
for for the fact that Butchers 

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is having a relatively slow year
in terms of having like hits. 

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I think it's actually good for 
for him even to still be in the 

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conversation. 
So I I'm not surprised. 

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Yeah, that's cool breeder LWI 
wonder what the LW stands for is

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numbers #19 with 16.7 Arrow Boy 
16.918 Brooklyn Boys 17.2 I wish

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to hire. 
Wrapping. 

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Wrapping the drillers. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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And then this confuses me. 
BN. 

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Hold on, hold on, hold on. 
Before I even get to BN, I want 

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to tell you guys right now Drill
is dead. 

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Oh, OK. 
All right. 

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And why do you say that? 
That's I did. 

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That's not all right. 
Could you back that up with some

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with some with some talk? 
Listen, guys, I like to lace, I 

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need to lace. 
I always love to lace you guys 

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with like the what's happening 
in the trends and what's like 

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the new sounds. 
Drill is genuinely dead when it 

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comes to what's trending. 
You know, people had moved into 

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Jersey Club and Jersey club is 
also dying. 

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But like now the new thing is 
like getting into like jerk 

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beats and stuff like that. 
So don't be surprised when you 

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start seeing like Brooklyn boys 
and them hopping on beats that 

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sound different. 
Anyway, that's what I'm going to

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say. 
Carry on. 

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Yeah #16 is kind of crazy. 
BNBN. 

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I feel like BN should be, BN 
should. 

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Be I don't, I don't think he's 
fun. 

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I don't think his fan base is 
listening to Move On Boom Play. 

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No, but it should translate. 
Still though, it should. 

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I feel like he's a big enough 
artist for his fan base to be 

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all over the place. 
But anyways #15 Masi Masika OK 

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18.3 that's the gospel coming 
through #14 is major 20.1 mil 

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furthermore 21. 
More furthermore is on top of 

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Major and Brooklyn boys and 
beyond the fire. 

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On boom play. 
Oh yeah, on boom play, sorry. 

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#12 is the Quest. 
Well, his is interesting because

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of course The Quest is not an 
artist in himself. 

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He usually features other 
artists on his songs, so it's a 

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kind of producer. 
So #12 is the quest and and 

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furthermore and all of them. 
But you can see why UNG signed 

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it. 
Snapped him up. 

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Yeah, yeah, that's true. 
And then run through the South. 

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So at 11. 
Nadia Mukami at 10, Guardian 

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Angel at 9 #8. 
Yo so you're just skipping past 

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Salty Soul being not in the top 
10 on boom play? 

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Well, yeah, I mean, I would 
think so the Souls fans are 

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attached to. 
OK, let me, let me have you 

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seen, have you seen the the 
recent, what do you call the 

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recent reactions of that little 
speech Rihanna gave? 

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No, I actually haven't paid 
attention to that. 

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Put me on what did? 
What did she say? 

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Yeah, well, I didn't pay much 
attention to it either. 

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But then she's sort of strongly 
insinuated that she is not going

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to drop any more music and, and 
people are like, OK, that's 

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fine. 
Like we already have previous 

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Rihanna. 
But then if she's not dropping 

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in, there's a lot of sentiments 
of, OK, she's not dropping more 

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music than, you know, like I 
might, I might just reduce. 

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Like I'll play Rihanna on 
special occasions and I might 

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reduce, which is what I, I'm 
suspecting. 

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So, so it's happening without. 
So they're not dropping any new 

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music. 
So there's they're not. 

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And you know, the, the, the 
music industry is what have you 

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done for immediately vibe? 
And so if you don't release more

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music, you just generally, even 
with your fines, you generally 

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move down in terms of 
importance. 

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So I, yeah. 
And in fact, I, I don't, I, I 

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would think they'll be lower 
than a lot of the the names on 

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that list, but. 
I disagree with Rihanna, not I 

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know this because, like music is
what put well, I haven't 

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listened to that. 
You know what? 

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I haven't listened to her speech
so I can't even speak to that, 

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but it's. 
Just that it's, it's I'm at 

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peace. 
You guys were like. 

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You know but my but my initial. 
Quickly so that we can get some 

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music. 
That's crazy. 

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My initial feeling is like you 
have to show respect to the 

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craft that put you on at least a
little bit. 

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But like, I don't know, like. 
Because she's a human being 

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before she's an artist, isn't 
she so. 

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But music is what put her on the
like, yes, of course she's a 

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human being before she's a 
musician. 

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It's, it's fine. 
But like, you know what? 

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I don't know. 
Everyone should just do what 

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makes them happy. 
You can't say that after scene 

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just contradicted this, but I 
understand. 

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I understand. 
Peace and love and prayers. 

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You ever involved here? 
For sure. 

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Then where was I #9 Guardian 
Ninja? 

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Oh, I said that number 8 is. 
The OG calligraphy Jones with 

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5254.2 million. 
I thought in Buble he'd be much 

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higher than that. 
Listen, 54.2 million, you know, 

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it's interesting to see. 
I'll just take this time to to 

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even just through this 
conversation now. 

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Have you seen the whole thing 
about Calligraph and his house 

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that looks like a mall? 
So it's 54 that's paying for it.

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It's a big joint. 
It's a big He's white too. 

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It's very white. 
He's. 

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Been flamed on social media, but
he said that like, you know, if 

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if I'm if I'm he said I pray for
times like this. 

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I prayed for times like this 
where people are flaming me 

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because my house looks like a 
mall. 

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Which by the way, I think that's
a really good comeback. 

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Like honestly like. 
Yeah, people say that people are

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kissing him. 
That's not really a decent. 

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That's yeah, if people are 
flaming you because your house 

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is is huge, then, you know, but 
then also people do have a point

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that that house looks like a 
mobile. 

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I'm not gonna lie like interior 
designers, man, stand up anyway,

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sorry, go ahead. 
Well. 

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Hey, I'm just, I would think 
that part of that came from 

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music and what has been able to 
earn for music. 

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So that's good. 
I think it's just a light. 

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But it is, it is, it is 
inspiring. 

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It's inspirational. 
I'm sure there's a, there's a 

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kid out there somewhere who's 
like, brah, I want that. 

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And they're going hard right now
in the studio. 

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I'm going to be the next 
calligraph. 

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Don't be the next calligraph, be
the next to you #7 is Yasinski 

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with 59. 
We should have just let that one

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go. 59.9 Yeah, they couldn't. 
Give him 60. 

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They could have just rounded 
the. 

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Top but the streams are the 
streams though. 

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The streams are the. 
You can't. 

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Would you round up streams? 
Like, no, there's no rounding 

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up. 
Yeah, just give him 60 man, like

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couple of guys 59.9. 
What do you have to do? 

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Basically 60 basically 60. 
Prince Inda with 69.7 million. 

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OK, DJ Lighter. 
Top five. 

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Top five. 
Top five. 

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Let's hear the top five. 
Uh huh. 

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Top five, we have DJ Lighter, 
who's a DJ, so OK, that's 

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interesting. 
What cardinally wait? 

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That tracks. 
What cardinally did I? 

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Oh, I thought, I genuinely 
thought I mentioned what 

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cardinally on the bottom. 
No you didn't. 

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What cardinally with 84.6 makes 
sense. 

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Mix #3 #3 #3 two and one is 
number 3, two and one in terms 

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of like boom play and numbers, 
right? 

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So it will be really poor with 
84.8. 

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That makes sense of that 
platform and his music #2 the 

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Bahati makes sense. 
Both of them sort of like the 

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same type of thing and. 
The king of the king of of Boom 

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play would be who? 
Or Tilly Brown with 197, which 

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is 100 million more than. 
He cleared the rest of the 

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field. 
Holy hell, man, that's insane. 

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Yeah. 
How do you feel about this list?

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Yeah, it's all right. 
I mean it tends it has a it is 

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cued to mainstream music 
obviously and that makes sense 

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without boom plays doing rather 
the platform and the fans of the

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platform it does the list makes 
sense. 

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I would I I want to see more 
female artists on here. 

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Am I allowed to say that I 
really want to see more female 

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artists in this? 
Oh my God. 

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Yeah, yeah, Strict. 
Conversations. 

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It's who it's it's. 
Nadia Mukabi and Masi Masika. 

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Wow, that's absolutely yeah. 
We need more female artists. 

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And we do have artists who 
stream like we are like Femi one

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in them. 
So like, I don't know why maybe 

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their streams are not up anyway,
we need to support more of the 

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more of our female artists to 
get them up to the. 

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So here's what I think I take 
when it comes to numbers on boom

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play. 
I always take it with a pinch of

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salt. 
Won't go too much into details 

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there, but I just know I take 
things with a pinch of salt. 

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The detail is what we need. 
I'm saying the detail is what we

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need anyway. 
We need those. 

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We need the juicy details. 
We need the hot takes pinch. 

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I mean, OK, well, let's let's 
let's be real, most platforms, 

439
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the numbers are the numbers not 
only not only from the platform 

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side will they maybe mess around
with the numbers also like 

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labels and people involved could
have them forge for what do you 

442
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call it could could manipulate 
them for what? 

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For appearances and stuff like 
that. 

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So numbers are numbers they but.
Numbers are numbers and the it's

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I guess it's not just a boom 
play thing. 

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I feel like the whole streaming 
game is just like a. 

447
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Yeah, the streaming. 
Is a shit show, right? 

448
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So you can't really believe 
everything that you see. 

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So that's just that. 
That's all I have to say. 

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But again, shout out to all the 
people on this list. 

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Yeah, it's it's, it's good to 
see where the industry is. 

452
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,200
And it's also good to see the 
numbers where there's more 

453
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,120
numbers, we're seeing more 
numbers attached to to things, 

454
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:24,520
which is which is great, I 
guess. 

455
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,800
More engagement, more people 
listening to the music, 

456
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,520
everybody wins. 
Yay. 

457
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,000
We're all a happy family, aren't
we Sam? 

458
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,040
No, we're not. 
Not at all. 

459
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:39,360
Not even close. 
Speaking of numbers and music 

460
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:44,320
industry stuff, the Grammys, 
bro, they released Grammy 

461
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,400
nominations, the nominations, 
man. 

462
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:54,680
And some I woke up that day, 
hope in my heart, you know, I 

463
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,760
looked to the skies, I looked to
the sun. 

464
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:02,200
I said, today's the day we get a
Kenyan artist on the Grammys. 

465
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,240
You know, I felt, I felt a 
breeze passing through my hair. 

466
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,160
What? 
What is this? 

467
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,160
Is this a Is this a high school 
novel? 

468
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,040
What are you? 
Talking about could you just let

469
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,440
me cook? 
Let me cook, bro. 

470
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,720
Let me, let me cook, bro. 
Just let me cook. 

471
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,920
I had, yeah. 
I felt the breeze, you know, on 

472
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,840
my face, you know, and I felt a 
sense of optimism, you know, the

473
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,960
wind was laced with optimism 
and, you know, so. 

474
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,760
It was breeze, the wind. 
It was breeze. 

475
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,000
It was breeze. 
And where did that come from? 

476
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,880
I just I I I I I I then walked, 
you know, I, I sauntered 

477
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:48,840
actually. 
What is this you're sauntering 

478
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,040
to? 
Your laptop is crazy. 

479
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:52,440
It's not even a real word I 
don't trust. 

480
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,600
You yes, it is. 
Yes, it's a it's a real word. 

481
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,040
And you know, I, I opted, I 
opened my laptop with so much 

482
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,680
optimism in my heart and I, I 
voraciously listen. 

483
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,000
I didn't even care about all the
other categories. 

484
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,960
I genuinely Beyoncé has 11 
nominations. 

485
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,440
Don't care. 
Scrolled, scrolled upwards. 

486
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,240
Then actually first I went to my
phone and it was the Grammy 

487
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,400
website. 
Man, the recording Academy 

488
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,560
website is so glitchy on your 
phone. 

489
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,720
So I was like, this is taking so
long. 

490
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,160
So I just I turned that off, 
went to my laptop, scrolled 

491
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,520
scrolling, don't even care about
all the went to all the African 

492
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:38,160
categories and some my heart, if
I could put this into a word, it

493
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:49,720
would be sadness filled with 
utter despair and I just I just 

494
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,280
felt let down. 
I asked myself. 

495
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,080
What are you doing? 
I asked myself so many, so many 

496
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:06,720
questions run through my mind in
that moment when I saw the names

497
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:13,520
and I said what do we have to do
to get on this? 

498
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,680
So now. 
I'm just going to bust your 

499
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,800
bubble because now you're, 
you're, you're doing too much 

500
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,640
now a lot. 
OK, OK, OK, OK. 

501
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,160
OK. 
Hold on. 

502
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,240
Let me redeem. 
Let me let. 

503
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,400
Me just let's keep this moving. 
Take words like saunter out too.

504
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,680
So, okay, so essentially the 
Grammy nominations are out and 

505
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,040
this being a Kenyan podcast, 
we're going to mainly focus on 

506
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,280
the African categories. 
And yes, I will just RIP the 

507
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,200
Band-Aid. 
There are no Kenyans, but these 

508
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,520
were the nominees. 
So in the best African music 

509
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,960
performance, we had Ashake and 
Wizkid, we had Banner Boy, we 

510
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,600
had Chris Brown, Davido and 
Lojay, we had Thames and we had 

511
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,400
the Yemi Alade. 
So I'm sure you guys will notice

512
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,600
that list is stacked. 
Very Nigerian. 

513
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,160
Yeah, it's very Nigerian. 
And Chris Brown. 

514
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,560
Nigerians and Chris Brown, but 
hey, listen, Chris Brown. 

515
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,840
Because Brown is finessed. 
Because Brown is finessed. 

516
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,520
Afrobeats. 
Honestly, he's found his way 

517
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,040
into it and look what he's 
doing. 

518
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,200
Any Grammys for Afrobeats songs 
anyway? 

519
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,480
Yeah. 
And then there was Best Global 

520
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,160
Music Performance, which had 
Angélique Kidjo and Soweto 

521
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,240
Gospel Choir. 
We had a Rouge Aftab, we had 

522
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,760
Jacob Collier featuring Anushka 
Shankar. 

523
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:45,600
We had Masa Takumi featuring 
Korb, Noshir Modi and Dale 

524
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:51,480
Edward, and then we had Rocky 
Dawoni and then finally we had 

525
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,640
Gloria Estefan and and Mimi 
Sukar. 

526
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,800
Oh my God. 
Oh shout out to Mimi man. 

527
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,240
So shout out to Mimi and then 
Best global music album. 

528
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,560
So I'm just going to say the 
categories and the names and 

529
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,520
then we'll talk about it. 
So best global music album we 

530
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:14,160
had Antonio Rey, we had Ciro 
Hurtado is Ochiro, Matt B and 

531
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,440
Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. 
We had Remma. 

532
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,920
Shout out Remma. 
We had 10s and then Best RnB 

533
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,120
song, we had 10s, We had Kalani,
Money Long, Caesar and Coco 

534
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,920
Jones. 
Sam, how do you feel about the 

535
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,760
nominations so far? 
The nominations, OK, the past 

536
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,160
few years, I don't know how to 
feel about them because the past

537
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,600
few years it's been well, OK, 
let me finish my thought before 

538
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,760
I interject my thought with 
another thought. 

539
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,040
The past few years have been 
very Nigerian, Nigeria heavy. 

540
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:51,760
So yeah. 
So that, I mean, so that that 

541
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,360
kind of shows where that 
movement is. 

542
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,440
I'm actually shocked that I 
thought I would have seen Tyler 

543
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,120
up here, but she's not up here, 
which is interesting to me as an

544
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,000
interesting little rabbit hole. 
I need to go. 

545
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,800
Yeah, no, but I mean, but like I
she, she did win last last 

546
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,480
year's Grammy, right? 
OK, was it, Dang, what was a 

547
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,880
year ago? 
OK, I'm I'm listening. 

548
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,600
OK, that makes sense. 
That makes sense. 

549
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:18,120
She listen, we need new music. 
We do and she she's dropping new

550
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,880
music. 
She dropped new music over the 

551
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,240
over the election results and 
Americans weren't having it. 

552
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,720
So main character character 
syndrome over there, but. 

553
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,480
America, Americans, Americans 
are so annoying, bro. 

554
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,160
Like I think they're like, you 
can't see that. 

555
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,840
You can't see that room. 
Tyler is a South African artist.

556
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,240
What's happening in America has 
no bearing. 

557
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,200
To all audiences, you can't say.
You can't say that no, But this 

558
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,480
is true, though. 
It's true. 

559
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,680
It's annoying, especially how 
they're piling on on Tyler. 

560
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,720
Sure, maybe you can say her 
music is not for me, fine, but 

561
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,960
it's like these people are 
hating on every single thing 

562
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,920
that she does and it's just 
unfounded. 

563
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,720
I don't know, sorry. 
I'm not trying to keep for 

564
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,720
Tyler. 
Carry on. 

565
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,600
Oh man. 
So, so it's interesting. 

566
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:15,280
I do think that the prob in 
terms of representation, it's 

567
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,320
not as wide as it would be. 
And that's understandable with 

568
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,720
like if it was off merit, like 
if the Grammys were, if the 

569
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,600
Grammys were off merit, we'd 
probably be happier with a lot 

570
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,400
of some of the results or we'll 
see a lot more diversity in 

571
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:35,280
terms of the style of music and 
the artist nominated here. 

572
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,840
It's not that bad, I guess. 
I listen, I don't, I'm not 

573
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,920
completely sure because some of 
these artists, I don't even know

574
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,400
what kind of music they make. 
Like we say every year that the 

575
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,880
Grammys is always an indicator 
to me. 

576
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,080
How much music I don't know, 
but. 

577
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,360
It's cool, it's cool. 
Hey I I definitely would have 

578
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,520
loved to see some Kenyan music 
nominated. 

579
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,000
My opinion is that we're not 
there yet. 

580
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,520
Wait, but why you don't think at
least like even Bien could like,

581
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,720
you know, snuck snuck in there a
little bit, No. 

582
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,200
Yeah, I think now. 
OK, now let me, let me, how do 

583
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,960
I, how do I freeze this? 
So I'll just be, I'll just be 

584
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,480
real. 
So I I, I don't think in terms 

585
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,640
of quality, in terms of the 
quality of music, our music is 

586
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,040
up there. 
I think we are, we are getting 

587
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,880
there and we have a few people 
who are really pushing that 

588
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,360
envelope. 
But in terms of the quality of 

589
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,720
music and reach and and all of 
that, I don't think we we have, 

590
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,480
we have, we have that on our 
side or we have it behind us. 

591
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,800
So for me it makes sense. 
Why won't we nominated yet? 

592
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,760
I think it might take us a while
to get there and reasons let me 

593
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,880
breakdown quality so it just 
doesn't sound like I'm I'm being

594
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,680
negative. 
Yeah, yeah, please. 

595
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,560
And I'm not being negative by 
the way, because. 

596
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,880
I was, I was feeling I disagree 
with you when it comes to 

597
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,600
quality because for me, I have 
other like I have other 

598
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,080
qualifiers as to why we did. 
Yeah, no, I I do think quality 

599
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,400
is part of it. 
Simple things like, and you 

600
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,360
would agree with me, simple 
things like just how our music 

601
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:21,080
is mixed. 
Some some, if you listen to a 

602
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,560
lot of the music that's 
nominated, fine, yes, there 

603
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,920
might be one or two albums that 
are in there that are not that 

604
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,440
more vibey than actual Sonic, 
Sonic quality focused. 

605
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,120
But a lot of it is is the they 
pay attention to things like 

606
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,920
mixing and just the little 
mistakes that we've kind of 

607
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,760
called out in our old music. 
Like there has to like if a lot 

608
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,800
of the music has that and the 
mixing is not up to par and all 

609
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,360
that business, it will be harder
for us to achieve like Grammy 

610
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,040
nominations. 
So that's one that's one. 

611
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,880
I think our artists are not in a
place where they have the 

612
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,160
relationships. 
Yeah. 

613
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,080
So let me just piggyback on, on,
on your points. 

614
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:08,040
So for me, I, I, I, I kind of 
disagree with the quality, like,

615
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,160
OK, disagree in the sense that I
know what you're saying about 

616
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,240
that. 
The fact that our quality or in 

617
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,200
general can go up, which it 
yeah, it can. 

618
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,080
There's, I mean, there's always 
room for improvement. 

619
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:28,920
That's that's a fact, right? 
I for me personally, I think the

620
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,160
answer lies in the second point,
which I've sort of just like 

621
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,760
piggybacked on. 
And I think our main issue is 

622
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,360
our reach is very, very wanting.
I think we don't have the 

623
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,600
necessary connections and we 
haven't fostered them enough to 

624
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,400
get people to even know that 
there's dope music to listen to 

625
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,080
in East Africa. 
I think that's where the problem

626
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,800
lies. 
I genuinely think because bro, 

627
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,080
I'm not going to like sometimes 
I be seeing songs get like 

628
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,440
nominations or whatever that 
like quality wise I'm just not 

629
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,040
like also in. 
Seeing I mean, but but there 

630
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,280
would be light, let me not say 
light years because that's 

631
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,560
crazy. 
But then there will be further 

632
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,880
in terms of quality, as much as 
they're not insane, it's a lot 

633
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:23,000
more than what we usually offer.
For me, what I would say is 

634
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,640
quality in terms of visuals as 
well. 

635
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,120
Like I feel like what people 
have that we don't have, they 

636
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,080
have better visuals and they 
have better rollouts, better 

637
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,520
visuals and better rollouts. 
There's like there's more like 

638
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,560
attention to detail when it 
comes to the marketing, the PR, 

639
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,000
the rollout, and then the 
visuals. 

640
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,280
Visuals is a big one, is a big 
one where we can really step up 

641
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,480
in terms of quality though. 
If we're just looking at the top

642
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,560
brass in our industry, it's not 
so bad. 

643
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,960
It's not horrible and I don't 
think it's, it's like a 

644
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:04,800
detractor. 
Can the rest of our music 

645
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,320
industry improve its quality 
100%? 

646
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,880
Oh, 100%. 
When we're talking about the 

647
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,800
we're now we're, we're minusing 
the the top brass of our Kenyan 

648
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,200
industry. 
Oh, it's so your argument is 

649
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,200
your argument is the top brass 
is is up there. 

650
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,440
I was talking as a, as AI guess 
the industry as a whole in terms

651
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,120
of like our bottom and I'm only 
speaking from the. 

652
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,200
Bottom hole I agree. 
As a as a whole, I agree our 

653
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,280
quality needs to like improve 
facts. 

654
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,600
Maybe I'm getting too nitpicky 
with my argument here, but yeah,

655
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,040
I think for me, I think it's our
reach. 

656
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,280
But what were you going to say? 
You were going to say it was 

657
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,000
relationship it. 
Was relationship, yeah, I'd, 

658
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,640
I'd, I mean, our artists are 
not, we're not at the point 

659
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,120
where like in terms of like 
labels and label connects and 

660
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,680
if, if anything is probably 
individual connections. 

661
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,160
It's it's your manager and know 
someone here and know someone 

662
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,920
there. 
We don't have like an industry 

663
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,800
of relationships, like a strong 
enough web of relationships 

664
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,520
where more of our artists could 
get outside plays, which could 

665
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,920
result in probably more people 
knowing that we could result in 

666
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,440
reach, right. 
So we don't have that. 

667
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,480
And that's and that's, that's 
unfortunate. 

668
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,360
But yeah, we see again, we have 
a long way to go. 

669
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,440
And it has to be, it has to be 
like work on every side, which 

670
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,880
is why again, and we have to 
keep bringing it up because 

671
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,680
again, he's he's like the 
standard, but what BN is usually

672
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,480
is doing and just how he's 
moving, I guess makes sense in 

673
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,200
in advancing sort of the point I
just made. 

674
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,720
Yeah, I like what he's doing in 
the UK. 

675
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:42,240
Like he's doing a bunch of meet 
and greets now like in 

676
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:45,600
Manchester and he's. 
Being an artist, yeah, he's 

677
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,320
being an actual. 
Artist but but you see what he's

678
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,560
he's realized is you see BN the 
way he moves even when he's out 

679
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,800
there. 
He he I don't know if he'll have

680
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,520
a problem with me saying this, 
but like he humbles himself. 

681
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,280
He doesn't look at himself as 
this big artist. 

682
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,880
I think he realizes he realizes 
that he has a lot of work to do.

683
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,440
You see over here in Kenya, like
people that are like, yo, that's

684
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,760
big BN, that's the guy. 
That's the one. 

685
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,360
But you see, BN knows that he 
has to put in the ground work. 

686
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,600
What he's doing now is what, 
like, smaller artists would be 

687
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,400
doing to build their brand 
outside. 

688
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,840
Yeah. 
But that, that's what he's doing

689
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,840
now. 
And he he realizes there's so 

690
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,480
much work to do, you know what I
mean? 

691
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,520
And one artist who who's who 
does similar things, like Elsie.

692
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,880
Elsie moves in a really dope 
way, you know, trying to 

693
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,360
introduce herself to new. 
To audiences. 

694
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,720
Audiences and stuff like that. 
And this is all artist 

695
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,960
development stuff. 
Of course, the asterisks there 

696
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,560
is if, if you want to be an 
international artist, but even 

697
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,360
if you want to be a local 
artist, we we should also we 

698
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,520
should see what sort of it's 
been more but the conversation. 

699
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,280
Is about Grammys though, right? 
So it's an international 

700
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,480
conversation. 
Well, yeah, yeah, it's, I guess 

701
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,560
it's interesting. 
I wasn't speaking specifically 

702
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,720
about the Grammys. 
I was just speaking about being 

703
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:13,080
artist enough. 
Being artist enough sounds 

704
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,120
crazy. 
Being artist enough to to to 

705
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,560
make the strides that you need 
to be made of just sitting down 

706
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,960
and saying I'm an artist and 
doing one or two shows and then 

707
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,520
releasing a song every three 
months and a YouTube video. 

708
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,800
Yeah, cool. 
But you artistry is like you 

709
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,480
have to do a whole lot in order 
for you to get to where you need

710
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,240
to be. 
So yeah, we, we have, we have, 

711
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,920
we have, we have quite a ways to
go and. 

712
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,080
So who's gonna be the first one?
I think I say Xenia. 

713
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,240
I think Xenia is gonna be the 
first person to get a a 

714
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:47,120
nomination. 
I know that's gonna sound very, 

715
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,800
very biased and or something. 
I say Xenia. 

716
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,880
But I I as much as OK. 
Because what Xenia is doing is 

717
00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:00,000
is is is she's she's filling the
whole, which we don't have, 

718
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,600
which is rich because them being
outside in being in LA, being 

719
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,920
based out here, actually making 
connections with movers and 

720
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,320
shakers like in America. 
That's just what's gonna like 

721
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,480
get them where they need to be. 
I'm sorry. 

722
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,120
It's it's about reach. 
At the end of the day, the music

723
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,320
industry is about who do you 
know, you get like you can, you 

724
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,120
can Max out on quality and 
everything and hope for the 

725
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,320
best. 
Hope everybody. 

726
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,160
Oh, my music is the best ever. 
I just hope people resonate with

727
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,840
it. 
You can sit down and pray and 

728
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,000
hope, but if people don't know 
you and they don't fuck with 

729
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,600
you, they're just your music is 
just going to stay there, even 

730
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,080
if it's phenomenal. 
Little fans and. 

731
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,680
That's why that's why I think 
Zenia is going to be the first 

732
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,680
one who's going to like get like
an out and out like although BN 

733
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,040
has won a what was the Grammy he
won or Saudi soul won. 

734
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,040
It wasn't like a no, no, see, 
they wanna, they wanna. 

735
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,920
It was off. 
It was off the banner boys. 

736
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,720
I think it was try to stall a 
song on that project. 

737
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:05,040
So OK, fine, it was. 
Off, but so it wasn't like it 

738
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,720
wasn't a direct, it wasn't a 
direct like it. 

739
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:10,560
Was a song with the What was the
song with shady sample? 

740
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,720
OK, now I'm getting too much but
I think it was OK so. 

741
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,520
So, so So what I'm saying is 
who's gonna first get like that 

742
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,720
direct like this is best global 
artist. 

743
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,760
And just your Kenyan name, I 
don't know this. 

744
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:31,040
I really, I hope, I hope it is, 
I hope it's one of our Afro Pop 

745
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,200
artists, like one of our I would
like, let me say I would like it

746
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,360
to be, I would like it to be one
of our Afro Pop artists. 

747
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,640
Me saying it's gonna be Zinnia 
doesn't mean like, I don't want 

748
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,760
the like, Afro pop artists 
getting in. 

749
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:49,760
I'm just saying using logic 
deduction and just what you see 

750
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,120
going on in front of your eyes, 
Yeah, I think it's going to be 

751
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,760
I. 
Mean, but we never know maybe 

752
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,920
someone might drop a joint that 
just blows up like Tyler did and

753
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,600
then they. 
Or even Jarai. 

754
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,040
Jarai is putting herself in the 
position all she needs is a hit 

755
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,920
song. 
Once she gets a hit song, it's 

756
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,680
over with. 
But you see a lot of things have

757
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,560
to like. 
A lot of things have to go. 

758
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,760
Have to. 
Yes. 

759
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Because obviously, like if we're

760
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,080
talking about like music, music,
like everyone will say what 

761
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:28,960
tender Willie or like, you know,
can Ben soul Sarti souls class 

762
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,160
of musicians as well. 
Like, everyone would put those 

763
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,800
names into the hat for sure. 
But like, who has the 

764
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:44,040
realistically that's it. 
So because it's all connections.

765
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,800
Or it might or it might be like 
somebody like Matata because 

766
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,520
they're out. 
They're out there, you know, 

767
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,000
they're out there like in the 
industry, the wider industry. 

768
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,360
Like, even if Matata's name 
doesn't ring like so much like 

769
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,000
in the Kenyan industry, yeah. 
But outside their name holds 

770
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,200
something. 
You know what? 

771
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,440
I mean, if someone like Casey 
wins a Grammy, would you 

772
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,800
consider, would you consider, 
yeah, a Kenyan win We. 

773
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,800
Take it. 
Oh, yeah, That's a good one. 

774
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,600
That's actually a very good. 
We take that. 

775
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,000
We take like that. 
Yeah. 

776
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,040
To the bank, Kwanzaa, Pink 
Panthers. 

777
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:21,120
Oh, I'm saying Kenya. 
Yeah. 

778
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,080
So what do we have to do? 
I think for me, the answer is be

779
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:30,480
in the rooms where these 
decisions get made and, like, 

780
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,760
voraciously push the agenda of 
Kenyan music. 

781
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,560
That's the only music. 
To play, have good music to push

782
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,000
to. 
Have good music to push to, but 

783
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,520
I think most importantly is make
those connections. 

784
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,120
No, I, you know what, we need to
have like an in depth 

785
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,520
conversation about this later. 
But I don't think I completely 

786
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,800
agree with that. 
I feel like, I feel like quality

787
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,440
is really important. 
Also quality, but quality is 

788
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,120
really important because quality
is determined by both the fans 

789
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,480
and the Grammy. 
What do you call it? 

790
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,920
The Grammy, Guys, girls, I don't
know who they are, the people 

791
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,560
who are deciding the things 
because they also if the 

792
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,680
quality, if what they listen to 
constantly it sounds is at a 

793
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,360
certain level, we need to at 
least match that for them to pay

794
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,560
attention because our industry 
is still small. 

795
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,880
Sort of. 
They're not unless it is like 

796
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,680
the smash of Smashes. 
There's it's the most vibrant 

797
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,280
song on earth and it brings back
memories. 

798
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,680
Then we have a chance. 
When I was when I was when I was

799
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:32,360
at the pirate official thing 
last this past week, right? 

800
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:35,800
I told you, it's it's a format 
where people play music. 

801
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,400
And then at the end of the day, 
the crowd will decide. 

802
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,320
And then by cheering, like give 
it up for this person, yeah, 

803
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,080
everyone cheers. 
And you know what I mean? 

804
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,280
Like to say which is the Best 
Song, right? 

805
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,760
So how the format works is five 
people play their music. 

806
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,000
And then all the five people 
will, will, will stand in front 

807
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,120
and then we'll cheer to see who 
wins. 

808
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,000
Sam, when I tell you not 
everybody who plays the best 

809
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,040
beat is the person who gets the 
most cheers. 

810
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,040
Do you know why? 
Do you know why that is? 

811
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,920
Because I observed a few people 
would somebody would play 

812
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,600
something that's so phenomenal. 
I'm like, this has to win. 

813
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,480
But no, the other person who 
people just like, maybe it's the

814
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,680
it's what they said before they 
played the song. 

815
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,520
Maybe it's how they present 
themselves, right? 

816
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,640
People just like them for some 
reason, and maybe their song 

817
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,080
wasn't the greatest, but those 
people are the ones who people 

818
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,320
cheer for the most, not the 
person who had the better song. 

819
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,200
And there is a reason for that. 
Human beings don't object, don't

820
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,360
react to objectivity the way we 
think they do. 

821
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,440
They don't say, oh, this song is
objectively quality wise. 

822
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,680
Just no. 
There's so much more that goes 

823
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,360
into it. 
That's why for me, I disagree 

824
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,360
with the quality thing. 
Like I think yes, quality has to

825
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,040
be some what decent, but people.
You don't disagree, you just 

826
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,400
don't think it's it's high up. 
It's as high up as exactly 

827
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,160
making it. 
You've, you've said exactly what

828
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,720
I mean, yes. 
It's not that I disagree, it's 

829
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:12,520
just that I think people just 
gravitate to what's presented to

830
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,800
them and packaged in a nice way.
And do I like you? 

831
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,840
Do I like the way that you talk?
Don't. 

832
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,760
Don't we. 
We have a bit of a relationship 

833
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:22,920
here going. 
Yeah. 

834
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,080
You know, I put you on because I
like that. 

835
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,040
Yeah, sure, maybe that other 
person's music is really good, 

836
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,040
but I don't really know them. 
And to be honest, I've never 

837
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,960
talked to them. 
So good power to them. 

838
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,600
You know, that's how I feel 
because that's what I observed 

839
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,480
when I was in that like pirate 
convert. 

840
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,080
Like not the it's not the people
who like had the best music who 

841
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:46,840
end up always sure that happens,
but it's not them who always get

842
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,600
like if somebody presents 
themselves well, they get the 

843
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,600
most cheers. 
And that's what I just think the

844
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:58,080
Grammys is, is it's also a bit 
of a popularity contest contest.

845
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:03,000
Who does your team who whose 
team can pull the most strings? 

846
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,520
Whose team knows the the most? 
Bro, Sam, you, we've just talked

847
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,920
about the streaming game being a
lot of BS. 

848
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:17,000
You and I know that there is 
music that comes out especially 

849
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,280
like in the industry that you 
just know it's going to do well 

850
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,480
just by virtue of where it's 
coming from, not because the 

851
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,520
music is good. 
Would you agree with that? 

852
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,040
Yeah, for sure. 
Because like, listen, if Billie 

853
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,800
Eilish decides to drop some 
pure, utter ass, it's still 

854
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:41,360
going to do 100 million views. 
She's she's done enough to to to

855
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,400
get that. 
But no, I got what you're 

856
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,520
saying. 
I got what you're saying. 

857
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:49,040
It's yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Quality. 

858
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,400
Quality is definitely super 
important. 

859
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,240
It's not that I disagree with 
that fact. 

860
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,720
Yeah. 
In terms of quality, I think, 

861
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,960
well, I just, I guess my, my, my
point is that we, we, we also 

862
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,320
need to push forward in that 
area because again, it's the 

863
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:04,480
quality also opens up the doors 
for like collaborations and 

864
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,440
things like that, which would, 
which could, could help with 

865
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,480
that reach that we're talking 
about in those relationships 

866
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,040
eventually. 
So, but yeah, but definitely 

867
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,440
important. 
This point is so frustrating to 

868
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,200
me though, because it just, it, 
it makes me realize how the 

869
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,240
world works in general and it's,
it's so annoying. 

870
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:25,640
It's not, it's not all, it's 
not, it's not, it's not about 

871
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,720
your credentials. 
It's not about how good you are.

872
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:30,000
It's not about how you know what
I mean. 

873
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,720
It's never been about all that 
stuff and that it's so, so 

874
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:36,080
disillusioning. 
It sucks. 

875
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:37,800
It sucks. 
It sucks. 

876
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,920
Yeah, man. 
But we'll see. 

877
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,400
Like, people are people. 
Let's let's give it a few years 

878
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,520
and we revisit this conversation
in like a couple of years and 

879
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,880
see if there's been any progress
in that. 

880
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,720
But artists really do need to 
take it upon themselves to push 

881
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:58,200
for sure all the different 
areas, relationships, whatever 

882
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,720
it is. 
They need to take it upon 

883
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:02,560
themselves to actually make that
part of their art rather than 

884
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,560
just be artists and get to the 
booth and then leave. 

885
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,320
Like that's that's cool. 
Anyone can do that. 

886
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:14,240
Yeah. 
So I guess I when was it? 

887
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,720
Was it last week, the last 
podcast where you you asked 

888
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,600
which artist I think would what 
was it would be the first to 

889
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:21,480
blow. 
What was that? 

890
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:23,360
What? 
What did you do? 

891
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:23,840
What? 
You asked. 

892
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,240
Yeah, it was along those lines. 
Is along those lines. 

893
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:29,400
Yeah. 
And I said that you had 

894
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,760
mentioned a couple and I 
mentioned what Tender Willie or 

895
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:38,000
What Tender Willie dropped their
first, their first, their debut 

896
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,840
album, their debut album called 
and route and route and route, 

897
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,960
depending on who your English, 
English teacher is. 

898
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,080
So yeah, they dropped their 
first project. 

899
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,320
And 1st off, they got, man, 
everyone seems to support these 

900
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:58,520
two, these two gentlemen. 
They got a whole lot of support 

901
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:03,000
online and well, there's mostly 
support. 

902
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,000
I think the people are always 
going to, there's always going 

903
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,000
to be positives and negatives, 
but they got mostly support from

904
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,040
what I saw. 
So yeah, man, the job on En 

905
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,760
Route, it's 12 songs long and 
it's highly anticipated. 

906
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,160
Of course. 
Wanted what had I really been 

907
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,520
Israel or Yacht and Iwai Tajiri,
brilliant artists individually 

908
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,920
and just coming together. 
They are a force to be reckoned 

909
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,160
with. 
So yeah, they dropped their 

910
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,880
first project. 
I wanted to just, I guess talk 

911
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,760
about it a little bit. 
I did enjoy enjoy the project. 

912
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,120
They had a couple of people on 
there. 

913
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,560
They had Shad Mziki, they had 
Kosta Odrang, which is a 

914
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,440
frequent collaborator with the 
both of them. 

915
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,600
They had Xenia Manasse, who 
according to AFAM will be our 

916
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,200
first Grammy winner. 
They had J Strings. 

917
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,280
No, no, no, I said nominee, 
nominee, nominee. 

918
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,800
Holy hell, bro. 
But if but. 

919
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,880
If she's if she's nominated, you
wanted to win, don't you? 

920
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:02,240
OK. 
Yeah. 

921
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:03,640
Sorry. 
Let me correct myself. 

922
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:04,920
My bad. 
I'm sorry, man. 

923
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,560
First Grammy nominee Ben Sol is 
on there. 

924
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,600
OK, Lomax and Femi Juan is on 
there. 

925
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,880
In terms of production, they 
didn't they didn't put the. 

926
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,840
I would have, man. 
I would have loved to see all 

927
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,480
the different producers that 
worked on the album. 

928
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,720
I know what the model is 
definitely part of of them. 

929
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,960
I don't know who else. 
They're like different tags in 

930
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,320
there, but I couldn't figure out
the producers before we get to 

931
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,320
the track list. 
And I guess I'll run through it 

932
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,800
quickly because it won't stay 
forever. 

933
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,840
But the first thing I really 
enjoyed about the album is the 

934
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,640
album art. 
The album art is a makes sense. 

935
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,680
It's topical and it's it's 
colorful. 

936
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,040
It does it it I think it does a 
lot for the project. 

937
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,760
It's not just random picture 
that they did like. 

938
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,920
I think the person who worked on
it is Kid Vault, who is quickly 

939
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,600
becoming like one of the the top
names in terms of like music 

940
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,840
visuals. 
So shout out to him. 

941
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,440
And I think he did a really, he 
did a really good job on it. 

942
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,040
Yeah. 
In terms of the songs, I would 

943
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,120
say out of 12 I enjoyed like 
6-5, maybe 6. 

944
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,320
Malvo, I really enjoyed that. 
I loved Baba with Zinnia Siander

945
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,120
with J Strings. 
I really enjoyed that one. 

946
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:15,440
Baraka and Guinea by Sorry by 
Ricky and Guinea was a was an 

947
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,440
interesting song. 
That's an interesting song 

948
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,200
because that's a phrase like 
you, you've heard that phrase. 

949
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,080
Who is the DJCT? 
There's that meme of DJCT saying

950
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:30,000
that mungu, so it's interesting 
that they turn that into a song.

951
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:32,400
I see. 
Yeah, yeah. 

952
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,240
So that that was basically the 
theme of the song. 

953
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,120
Then they I also enjoyed in 
Yamama with OK Lo Max 

954
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:41,760
International with Ben. 
So I'll be honest, I didn't 

955
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,480
really like it. 
The production let me down 

956
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,560
personally, individually, and it
just seemed like it seemed like 

957
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:56,480
an easy reach. 
It seemed like what they it it 

958
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,920
seemed like what you would 
imagine them to do. 

959
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:02,640
So it's I don't know that that 
didn't really hit for me. 

960
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,440
Like I like to see them push. 
And if I'm being honest, the 

961
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,160
sound of the project I thought 
would be towards the direction 

962
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,600
of like a Siander and maybe more
of like the I'm a piano vibe 

963
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:17,080
like with Beber and I think is 
it breaker in Guinea or one of 

964
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,440
them? 
But then it was sort of a mix 

965
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,280
and a match. 
So yeah, overall, I don't know, 

966
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,440
man. 
Overall, I would. 

967
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:27,760
It's a good project. 
It's it's a good project. 

968
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,080
It's a good start. 
I think there's a lot of support

969
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,080
for them and it'll be 
interesting to see what kind of 

970
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:40,960
what songs really take off. 
But yeah, I don't know, it's a 

971
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:41,800
good project. 
I like them. 

972
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:42,600
I like them. 
I like it. 

973
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,200
I like, I like, I like it for 
the first, like I've listened to

974
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,400
it like twice, 1 1/2 times. 
So I need to go back and and 

975
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,840
listen. 
I, I did, I feel like I'm 

976
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,480
talking about, I did realize 
that with listening to this 

977
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,080
project, I, I realized that the 
first listen I do. 

978
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,360
And I don't know whether you're 
like this actually be 

979
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,000
interesting to know. 
The first listen I usually go 

980
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,960
through I'm listening for like 
sonics. 

981
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,800
I'm listening to the music and 
how it works. 

982
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:11,560
I'm listening to the mixing, I'm
listening to song placement and 

983
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,520
then when I go to the album 
again now that's where it gets 

984
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,920
more emotional and songs sort of
like catch on to me. 

985
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,920
I don't know, do you do that on 
where you just, when you're 

986
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,600
listening, you just you just. 
So when I listen first, it's 

987
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,760
just about the vibe, you know, 
just trying to catch a vibe, you

988
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,240
know. 
And then after that, if I'm 

989
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:34,320
listening afterwards, like other
lessons, it's trying to like, 

990
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,440
actually understand what the 
project is about, you know, 

991
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,720
listen to the lyrics and that 
type of stuff, Yeah. 

992
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:43,520
Oh, that's cool. 
That's cool. 

993
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,200
Yeah, man. 
So I mean, that's that, that's 

994
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,080
what I know really is a solid on
route. 

995
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,200
It's a solid project. 
I mean, just interesting to see 

996
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,480
how they go about everything, 
what they choose to do videos 

997
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:58,440
for and the songs they they they
decide to push and all that 

998
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,080
business. 
So yeah, man, I guess we could, 

999
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,920
we could, if you don't have any 
other thoughts, we could just 

1000
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,120
move from there and into like 
the other stuff that was 

1001
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,720
released this week. 
Maybe you could go through some 

1002
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:13,200
of the stuff you heard. 
Yes Sir, yes, Sir, but shout out

1003
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,040
to big shout out to what under 
Willie man by the way. 

1004
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,960
Oh my God, Sean MMG Bensol 
motif. 

1005
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:27,480
They don't drop the song called 
repeat Jefferson spoken Salatone

1006
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,360
body tenor Harry Chris dropped 
top shorter. 

1007
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,480
It's just a lot of MMM, I mean 
urban to an artist releasing 

1008
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,000
yeah, Tuku Kantu released 
bedsitter. 

1009
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,880
Let me see Papa still releasing 
music consistently released make

1010
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:48,120
me love and more urban Tony type
music. 

1011
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:52,360
Little minor Danske and YBW 
Smith released the song Tiki 

1012
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,880
Taka prod by Cap. 
Let's see, let's see, let's see,

1013
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,040
let's see, let's see. 
Yo shout out to Iana. 

1014
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:05,040
She dropped coin the demos so 
shout out to her. 

1015
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,760
Let's see. 
Oh I really like this song. 

1016
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:15,160
Miss Fatty remix by Zeeman and 
Tipsy G really actually ended up

1017
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,960
enjoying that a lot. 
Savina. 

1018
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,680
She dropped Blink twice, which 
was really, really. 

1019
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,880
I love the. 
I just like, yeah, I just love 

1020
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,920
the production. 
The production was nice. 

1021
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,680
And I guess the last. 
Oh yeah, last thing I listened 

1022
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,920
to that was really, really 
compelling was Masked Capacity 

1023
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,040
by Pillow. 
Pillow is a new artist. 

1024
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:47,600
She's just started releasing 
music and huge potential there. 

1025
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,240
So shout out to Pillow. 
It's exciting. 

1026
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,760
It's exciting when new artists 
are releasing music and you're 

1027
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,200
like, oh, I see where this is 
going. 

1028
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,360
And yeah, I like that. 
Right. 

1029
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,920
What else do you listen to aside
from what and the Wheelie? 

1030
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,280
That's cool. 
A lot of what you've mentioned 

1031
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,280
I've, I liked Coco M, I've been 
waiting for Coco M to release 

1032
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,400
music. 
Coco M is a, is a DJ, is a 

1033
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,440
producer DJ. 
I think not. 

1034
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,280
I think she's a producer DJ and 
she released Cora Hazang. 

1035
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,280
It is an interesting song. 
It's very interesting. 

1036
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,920
It's an interesting sound, I 
guess is what she's trying to 

1037
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,400
do. 
So I did enjoy that. 

1038
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,640
Rizzi and DJ Prodluigi. 
Looks like Looks like Coco M can

1039
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:37,960
never take a Coco L. 
Why are you the way you are? 

1040
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,440
Why did you become who you are 
right now? 

1041
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,400
What's wrong? 
I don't know. 

1042
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,360
I don't know. 
Please carry on. 

1043
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,160
Oh goodness. 
OK, Nines, I think that's how I 

1044
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,920
pronounce it by reason DJ 
Prodluigi that came out. 

1045
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,840
If you're fine with them boys, 
go check that out. 

1046
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,760
Hi by DTXI like the beat of 
that. 

1047
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,720
The beat of that was super, 
super bouncy. 

1048
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,000
That was cool. 
Or released a project called 

1049
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:11,280
Story, which I also paid a 
little bit of attention to. 

1050
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,160
And then they like her. 
We talked to her, we talked, 

1051
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,040
talked to her, talked about her 
a while ago. 

1052
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,960
She also released a song called 
Give Me that. 

1053
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:23,720
So shout out to her for 
releasing some some music too. 

1054
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,920
But that's it, That's it. 
That's it for what I sort of 

1055
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,160
want to highlight, I guess for 
the podcast, we could we could 

1056
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,480
just play something off the boys
album. 

1057
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,440
What tender wheelie with their 
debut, Yes. 

1058
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,000
I'm kind of torn. 
I'm torn. 

1059
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,400
I don't know what to play. 
I want to play. 

1060
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,160
You know what, let's go with 
Siander, Whatander Willie and J 

1061
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,400
Strings. 
I think it's a really cool song.

1062
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,240
I like what they did with it. 
I enjoyed it. 

1063
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,800
It's one of the ones I enjoyed 
the most. 

1064
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:55,120
So if you would allow me, if we 
would allow ourselves, we could 

1065
00:59:55,120 --> 01:00:01,240
play J Strings and Whatander. 
Willie song is called Siander. 

1066
01:01:50,960 --> 01:02:31,320
The. 
The. 

1067
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,000
That was Sienda by Watanda 
Wheelie and J Strings. 

1068
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,120
It's a very cool song. 
I love the vibe. 

1069
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,280
I like the this sounds very 
African. 

1070
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,680
I enjoy it very much. 
But yeah, man, shout out to them

1071
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,680
again. 
I'd love to see what they 

1072
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,120
continue to do with the album 
and just how the post release 

1073
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,000
and what what happens. 
And then all of you guys who are

1074
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:20,320
who have albums in the in the 
talk release them joints, man. 

1075
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,360
Let them be free songs and 
albums like let them let them be

1076
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,080
free. 
Let's listen to some music, 

1077
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,520
shout out to KE music, play KE 
music. 

1078
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,720
I'm done. 
Shout out to Kenyan music and 

1079
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,880
also shout out to you guys for 
listening to podcast and 

1080
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,400
sticking. 
Yeah, and sticking with us, man 

1081
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,920
Yo, I like always. 
I'd like to leave you guys. 

1082
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,920
Oh well, if this is the first 
time you're listening to the 

1083
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:50,920
podcast, I love to leave you 
guys with the three C's. 

1084
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,720
Especially if you're a creative,
these C's should help. 

1085
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,520
First one being confidence. 
I need you guys to be confident 

1086
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:03,040
in your music because if you are
not confident about it, who 

1087
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,960
will? 
And consistency. 

1088
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,880
You have to be consistent if 
you're making music, if you set 

1089
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,280
out to make a beat a day, stick 
to that. 

1090
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,280
Actually, a beat a day is 
actually not bad. 

1091
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,840
If you're releasing music, 
release music you know in a 

1092
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,760
consistent basis. 
I'm not saying you have to 

1093
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,320
release it all the time, but if 
you set out to release, at least

1094
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,000
have 6 releases in a year. 
You know, make sure you release 

1095
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,120
once every two months and you'll
be good. 

1096
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,400
Trust me. 
Just need to keep on growing. 

1097
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,720
And the last one is your craft. 
Everyday try and work on your 

1098
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:46,000
craft, try and improve slowly. 
Small gains, small gains are the

1099
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,640
way to go because listen, you 
could, you could just learn 

1100
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:53,040
something so small that changes 
your whole outlook on the 

1101
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:59,160
creative process. 
But yeah, Sam, yes, Sam, do you 

1102
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,440
have anything? 
For us, oh man, I stuck on 

1103
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,560
everything you said. 
It's and, and in addition to the

1104
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,360
three CS as an artist also just 
start working on because we 

1105
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:11,880
mentioned it, right? 
Start working on the 

1106
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,240
relationships around you. 
Start working on figuring out 

1107
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,400
where you want to go and then 
map out the people who can get 

1108
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,040
you there. 
And then and then work at that 

1109
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,840
because like Afram said. 
Go outside the network. 

1110
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,040
Yeah, he was right. 
The industry is really 

1111
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:31,120
relationships and you can't move
along without it. 

1112
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:36,040
So Yep, that's that man. 
That's, that's all I have and 

1113
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,320
that's all we have. 
Well, it's not all we have, it's

1114
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:42,840
all we're giving. 
Nice and with that, I guess we 

1115
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:49,240
will see you guys on big episode
104 we. 

1116
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Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep.