1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,120 I you know, I hate when you go online and people are like, 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,840 who's TG Black, Hania Kinani, like, who are these people? 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,560 And then start trying to like, yeah, it sounds like you're 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,680 trying to bro. There's somebody who on in my 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,360 comments was like, oh, Spotify actually has does this goes goes 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,800 through all these hoops to make sure it only promotes female 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,040 artists on my on my on my page, even female artists. 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:26,840 I haven't listened to it. Like there's some huge 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:32,439 conspiracy to make it so that there's only female artists on 10 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:43,880 that list. I hope that you start to feel 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,280 the sunshine in your. Cracks. 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:59,280 I hope that you start to heal with all the Starlight in your 13 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:08,520 heart. For you deserve a brand new 14 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:15,360 lover. You deserve the sky up above you 15 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:28,970 do you do. I hope that you start to live 16 00:01:29,890 --> 00:01:36,400 the dreams inside your soul. What's up guys? 17 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:45,560 And welcome to episode 113 of the 30% podcast. 18 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:52,480 I go by Alpha Mafuna, my Co host goes by Sam Jedidiah array and 19 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,560 we hope that this podcast ranks highly on your personal Maslow's 20 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,240 hierarchy. Sam, what's up? 21 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,280 That's why you ask, I said. You're going to do something 22 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,480 clever with it, I. Wasn't to know some don't break. 23 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:08,840 Up. Could you start? 24 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,039 You're going to do something clever with the muscles. 25 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:12,240 I guess that's. What we have? 26 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,320 OK man, Alright. Oh my God, yeah. 27 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,680 I some. I hate you in this moment. 28 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,680 I hate you so. Much sorry I hate you so. 29 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,480 Much right now No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 30 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,960 It's Oh my God, you guys, you guys don't. 31 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,760 You guys don't know how much I hate some right now anyway, 32 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,360 somehow. Do something. 33 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,400 Don't waste me. Don't waste me that. 34 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,720 Horrible. No, no, no, Sam, I hope you've 35 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,960 had a horrible week. Did I have a horrible week? 36 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,200 Nah. See your hope. 37 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:42,560 Your hope was falling flat on his face. 38 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,560 No, my week was chill. It was chill. 39 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,600 I. Wouldn't I wouldn't hope you you 40 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,120 I take already did I would I wouldn't. 41 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,320 Taxi baxis. I'm doing all right, man. 42 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:53,560 I'm doing all right. I'm doing all right. 43 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:59,800 I'm just getting into work and play and life. 44 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,840 Not much happened, honestly. I want to see if there's 45 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,200 anything interesting that happened this week. 46 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:11,400 No, no, I found just been sleeping, waking up, working 47 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,960 out, just being regular, being a regular human being. 48 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,800 But yeah, that's that. Just chilling. 49 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:19,880 Did you do anything interesting please? 50 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:24,320 Just chilling. I did actually ended up going 51 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,680 for Foster was throwing a party again. 52 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,960 He has a new brand called last Night's Media. 53 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,720 Well, no, it's just called last night. 54 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:40,080 And yeah, man, they had, they had a house party on Friday and 55 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,280 that was pretty pretty. Anyone. 56 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:49,720 Night No, nobody fought but someone girl fell down into 57 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,880 yeah, she fell right into the DJ booth and like music had to stop 58 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,720 for like 20 minutes it was quite. 59 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,560 The sight. If you guys watch neuro viz on 60 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,840 TikTok, you know what I mean when I say it was quite the 61 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,360 sight. I hope somebody, I hope somebody 62 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,480 knows what I'm talking about. Anyway, so I did that and then 63 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,800 actually had an interesting. So over the weekend, I there was 64 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,320 a beat that I posted on my story. 65 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,200 I was like, Yo, I've been looking for somebody who can hop 66 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,360 on this beat and, and so I posted it. 67 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,880 I was like, yo, I'll give you guys, I'll give whoever gives me 68 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,040 like the best like suggestion, like I'll give you half of my 69 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,760 royalties as well as production credits and wait. 70 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,360 Some so many people like actually got back to me with 71 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,640 ideas. It was actually so crazy, kind 72 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,320 of overwhelming. But yeah, man, I believe I have 73 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,360 like an artist who I'm going to send that specific beat to. 74 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,440 So that was actually a very interesting. 75 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:57,880 It was interesting. I've never done something like 76 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,240 that. It was like ANR by story, and it 77 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,080 was like so many people ANR ideas to me. 78 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,360 I liked. I don't know how to like yeah, 79 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:09,840 but. That's interesting. 80 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:15,960 I saw, I saw just I saw modest, modest Jabari Jabari. 81 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,640 We don't get that wrong, but he did something similar as well 82 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,360 where he he posted that he he was good. 83 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,400 He wants to work with someone that like people should send him 84 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,240 whatever, whatever. And he also got overwhelmed. 85 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,040 Maybe that's like the new way of, of getting, of getting work, 86 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,600 like instead of us going out and trying. 87 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,880 To get. Trying to get placements like 88 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,000 just yo guys, here's this beat whoever sends me the best verse 89 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,280 or whatever it's. Nice listen And it's nice 90 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:43,640 because like bro, because you know, I feel like when you're a 91 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,440 producer, you're always just like, hmm, who can I send this 92 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,280 to? And then you send it to to 93 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:52,720 certain people and maybe they're not feeling it that much. 94 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,280 But then when you ask around and you're like, who likes this 95 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:58,760 beat? Like people enthusiastically 96 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,120 volunteer. And so it's just like a more 97 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,200 like happy way happy, happy, happy way to make music. 98 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,920 You know what I mean? Because it's like if everyone 99 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,840 wants to do this, you know, so this is like, it's kind of cool. 100 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:13,200 I don't know. So yeah, I did that. 101 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:18,720 Did it do anything interesting? Oh, I'm learning how to use 102 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,640 Photoshop some. OK, I. 103 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,040 Like I talked about this really. You talked about learning 104 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,680 Photoshop, now you're getting. Overwhelmed. 105 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,720 But now I'm getting really like into it because yeah, you start 106 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,680 and it's just so confusing and there's so many buttons and 107 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,640 things that do things and then. Oh. 108 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:45,440 My God, smart layer, merging them and then making them into 109 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,080 groups. I'm like, when should I make 110 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,560 something a group? When should I merge a layer? 111 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,480 When should I restorize? When should I make it a smart 112 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,240 object? So confusing, but I think I'm 113 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,600 finally at least understanding the basic concepts so I can 114 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,080 watch tutorials and, and kind of follow along with what they're 115 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,280 doing. So I'm doing a lot of that and 116 00:07:04,280 --> 00:07:08,760 it's actually very, very fun just learning a new skill. 117 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,760 Well, I'm learning it because I need to like literally I have no 118 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,960 time. I need to figure this out. 119 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,680 So yeah, that's, that's, that's my week. 120 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,400 I don't want to bore you guys with the. 121 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,040 Rest of my that's fun, that's fun, that's fun. 122 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,920 What happened in the news this week, man, Industry. 123 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:34,920 Business. What do we start with SO? 124 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:42,960 I mean, do do you want to start with the Spotify conversation or 125 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,160 the Saudi soul conversation? Let's start Saudi Soul. 126 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,000 I think it's less it's it's less serious. 127 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,040 And I mean, is it much of a conversation, honestly? 128 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:56,440 So Chimano was talking about how much, First off, the amount of 129 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,400 people I've heard say that. So to soul needs to like, it's 130 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,880 like it's enough now. Like, OK, you guys broke up. 131 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,520 But then every week you're finding a way to put yourselves 132 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,160 in the news. Those are haters. 133 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,680 That's not me. Those are not my words. 134 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,000 Those are the words of other people. 135 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,920 So of course they're in the news again. 136 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:19,680 And Chimano was talking about how much it would cost to book 137 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,440 Saudi soul to perform. Of course, now they're broken 138 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,680 up, so their numbers would probably be different. 139 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,120 I, I, do you think the numbers would, of course the numbers 140 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:28,560 would go up now that they're broken up, right? 141 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,520 Like as a group, if you break up you would ask people to pay more 142 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,240 for you guys to show up together. 143 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,159 Interesting. I I didn't think about it like 144 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:40,640 that, but now that you mention it, that does. 145 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,200 That would make sense. That would make sense because 146 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,120 like, all right, we're doing, we're living our own lives, our 147 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,800 lives separately. And you have to pay us enough 148 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,160 for us to want to do that. We're not. 149 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,960 We're not as artists together. But anyways, so he was talking 150 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,240 about wait before wait. Before you continue, wait, wait. 151 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:03,200 Before you continue, is Chimano promoting something or who was 152 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,080 he talking to? And like what was the? 153 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,920 Alpha, we're so we're so cheated, right? 154 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,400 No. I'm just asking. 155 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,120 This happened to the opponent and what do you call it? 156 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,000 Talk like water. That is someone tried to promote 157 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,600 something. It's not always. 158 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,480 I think I give you too much credit to these guys. 159 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:23,000 I think we give you too much credit to them. 160 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,160 I don't think it's. Trying to know whenever look 161 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,600 like literally I saw an article about Xenia and she was talking 162 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,480 about whether she's going to get married and like her past like 163 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,560 going to Berkeley and I. Love it but but. 164 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,400 I'm reading, yeah, I'm reading this and I'm like, is something 165 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,360 coming? Like, why am I reading this? 166 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,200 But usually that's the case, like whenever there's an 167 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,720 article, there's something coming or something being 168 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,320 promoted. Anyway, sorry, go ahead. 169 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,720 Yeah, no. So well, so essentially he 170 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,680 talked about, OK, if, if you're to book, if you had to book the 171 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:06,440 four boys, Chimano, Bien, Savara and Fanfingers, you will not be 172 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:13,480 getting them below, well, it's not, not way below 100K. 173 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,880 That's $100,000, which comes to 13 million and a minimum. 174 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,400 They charge a minimum. Million shillings? 175 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,480 Did you just say 13 million Kenya shillings just to book 176 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,400 them? Yeah, and they, they, in most 177 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,320 cases, they won't charge a minimum of, I mean they'll 178 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,960 charge a minimum of $40,000, which is 5,000,005 million 179 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,320 shillings for a one hour performance. 180 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,040 Then he goes on to say it's expensive to run a band and it 181 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,080 costs, it costs quite a bit. It costs quite a bit, especially 182 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,000 if it's not a local show. There's a lot that needs to 183 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,040 happen. And I've been Privy to that in 184 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,800 the back ends of just all the different moving parts to book 185 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,760 just once. One singular artist is a lot. 186 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,800 Now imagine if you're carrying four guys around. 187 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,840 So what? Usually are the moving. 188 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:01,600 What usually are the moving parts? 189 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,160 So moving parts is out of curiosity, All right? 190 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,120 So you have your you have the main artists, right? 191 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,400 You have the artists, yeah. And then you have the art, the 192 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:13,440 artists, managers and the people who, and the people who keep the 193 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,400 show going. And then you have the band, 194 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,080 which is like super important if they carry their own band. 195 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,920 So you have to move all those people. 196 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,280 A band would have eight people, maybe six to eight people if 197 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:32,120 it's a small band. And then you have the band's 198 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,800 equipment now and then if you're taking sound. 199 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,440 Yeah. That's also like it's a lot to 200 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,240 move and and things are not are not cheap to be moving cross 201 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,560 country and all that business or buses and everything. 202 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,120 It's really expensive. And then you probably have to 203 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,960 travel with a cook if it's more than a day show, just a bunch of 204 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,120 other things. It's just it costs quite a bit 205 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,760 to move around as an artist. So that's why a lot of this 206 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,920 time, a lot of the times the shows are very expensive. 207 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,080 So it makes sense now for them if you do the math. 208 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,600 Honestly, I think sometimes artists suffer because, and this 209 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,560 has been the testimony of a lot of artists, like if you ask, if 210 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:13,480 you just ask an artist sometimes after a show, if it's if you 211 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,400 don't have like a huge sponsor, what you take home is kind of 212 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,320 crazy. It's like a very minimal show 213 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,960 because just because you've paid out a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, 214 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:22,960 a lot. Of course, if you're paying, 215 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,240 there's some people who don't pay and they get about that, but 216 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,000 that's kind of how you break it down and there's more involved. 217 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,360 But that's really just the business of it. 218 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,520 Just just a lot of people to move hotel costs paying for all 219 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:39,200 of those people feeding. It's just a it's a lot of money. 220 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,520 Bro yeah, I'm, I'm so I'm just, I'm just searching up on it and 221 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,880 it's like it's actually everything you've said this 222 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,480 artist market value. Of course there's the 223 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,240 performance fee, which is the core payment to the artist on 224 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,480 their management for their time, talent and brand. 225 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,760 Then there's travel and accommodation, which is 226 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,200 essentially what you've said production requirements. 227 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,560 So for their rider, for their band or their crew as well. 228 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,840 Let's see. Oh, there's also insurance and 229 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,800 taxes. That's also a thing. 230 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,200 Clearly. I didn't even. 231 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,720 I didn't, Yeah. The event may require artist 232 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,920 insurance to cover cancellations, injuries or 233 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,480 damages. That's interesting. 234 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,320 Taxes. The artist fee may be subject to 235 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,680 local taxes and international bookings, which may involve 236 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:36,080 additional tax obligations. And what else is there? 237 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:41,920 So they're also saying there is a booking agent fee as well. 238 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,600 So there's the manager who is also considered, and there's the 239 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,520 booking agent who's also considered. 240 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:54,320 Timing and exclusivity as well. Weekend shows, holidays or peak 241 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,440 touring seasons might cost more than midweek dates. 242 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,800 Exclusivity. If the artist is restricted from 243 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,840 performing in the same market within a certain time frame, 244 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,600 this can increase their fee. Interesting. 245 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,480 Of course that's labels love to do that. 246 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,760 They love to limit artists and tell them when not to perform 247 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,880 and when to perform. And they still want they still 248 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,120 want 100%. But yeah, so that's good for 249 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,760 band X out. So I mean, it's for members. 250 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,840 And then it's just so much. I would I would think that 251 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,240 number makes sense. I wouldn't think it should be 252 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,080 higher because like like this, they will tell you is wait, 253 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,840 they've built a, they've built a brand and. 254 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,160 So you disagree with the people who are like 13 million is like 255 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,120 bro this is bougie now like come 13 million Kenya shillings. 256 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,240 I don't think it's for this show, the people. 257 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,000 No, for a good show, yeah, for a good well, not like a one hour 258 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,880 show though, not a one hour show like a proper maybe a couple of 259 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,320 hours performing a bunch of their songs. 260 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,000 I wouldn't think that if, if, if the promoters and whoever is 261 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,240 posting the show has that money, I wouldn't think that's crazy 262 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,200 because so to solve at this point, they've become a staple. 263 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,720 Now I know that seems like a lot to people in terms of that, but 264 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,480 then there's a lot that goes into craft and as you age in 265 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:15,400 your art, your price, if you ate properly, your price goes up. 266 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,920 I think. So this all have managed to stay 267 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,320 in the positive light for the most part and they've been 268 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,600 successful individually. And so they're pricing their 269 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,200 pricing and just their leverage is a little bit high. 270 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,680 So I wouldn't think that 100,000 I mean, OK, let's do a 271 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,160 comparison. Who, what kind of artists do you 272 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,320 think, or rather what artists do you think is in that 100K range 273 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,840 in like, let's just, let's just do the rest because I don't know 274 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,360 if you'll have anyone here. OK, so or maybe Africa. 275 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,200 Yeah, Africa or the West. Let's let's try Nigeria 1st and 276 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,880 then we go to Nigeria, South Africa, then we go to the West. 277 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:54,880 How much was Rama or paid for the recent performance? 278 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,440 We said it here on the podcast. Was it like how much was it? 279 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,160 Was it? That no, no, no, I can't 280 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:03,840 remember. Let me check. 281 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,640 I can't remember. I can't remember how much. 282 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:11,720 OK, well let me not be limited to Africa and let me just so I 283 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:17,240 want to 1st agree with you because I think $100,000 to book 284 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,520 a band with four artists is actually really little. 285 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,200 I know it sounds crazy. I know like here 13 million just 286 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,280 to book assault is all for a show. 287 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,360 Are you all crazy? It's actually little money. 288 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,920 So I'm just doing my googles like 100,000 is what you would 289 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,360 spend on. No, sorry before you, before you 290 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,280 continue so that you can, you can flush your thoughts. 291 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,280 So R.E.M, I was paid between 200 and 300,000 maybe maybe a little 292 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:53,880 bit higher than 300 K $300,000. See, so that's that's literally 293 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,840 three times what Saudi soul are charging and they are a band. 294 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:04,119 So, so that's what I'm saying bro, like $100,000 is what you'd 295 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:09,760 pay like like a mid tier, like a lower. 296 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,839 I think you would pay to like a lower to upper. 297 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,400 You just pay to the mid tier artist. 298 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,520 Like especially like in America. Now I know we're not in America, 299 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,160 but like I just trying to contextualize it like yeah, 300 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,680 that's what you would pay like an an LE chopper. 301 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,560 I don't know if any of you listens to an LE chopper, but 302 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:27,920 like that's what he would charge. 303 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:30,480 Like somebody like an LE chopper would charge. 304 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,360 I know like I even Google like it says he charges between 305 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:41,120 75,000 to $200,000 for a show like like for the value that 306 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:45,120 Saudis soul bring man, they should be charging way more 307 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:50,280 actually like bro, these people are charging like 300 three 150, 308 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,320 you know, for a show and and that's fine. 309 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,360 There are band 100,000 is actually really low balling them 310 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,160 in my opinion. I think yeah and rema charging 311 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,560 like around 300 makes sense. Yeah, I think I just like an LD 312 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,440 chopper they now this is the theory. 313 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,840 I'm just thinking about this as I, as I said, but I feel like 314 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,760 they'd put it that low like a 7 because Emily Chopper is a 315 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,360 pretty popular artist, right? But he'll put it that low 75 316 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:18,320 just so that he gets like, oh, they're just like, oh, it's just 317 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,040 7575 thousand dollars. We have 75 for you. 318 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,560 And so he'll now multiply that like 1020 times rather than 319 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,960 putting his show up at at maybe like a 200,150 two 100,000 and 320 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,880 then he gets like way less bookings. 321 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,600 So I think that that might be also strategic. 322 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,560 Strategic in terms of putting it low, low balling the the 323 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,320 promoters and whatnot. Yeah, but that's what is not 324 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:42,280 low. I'm looking at that. 325 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,640 Well, maybe they are. No, it's actually, it's actually 326 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,960 that's below how much they should be charging. 327 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,600 Honestly I'm looking at some of these smaller artists like in 328 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,880 America like the underground artists like they would charge 329 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:01,480 around like 30,000 for a show which is what in in Kenyan money 330 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,560 that's like. In Kenyan money? 331 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,400 In shillings you mean in Kenyan money? 332 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,360 I'm so fried. What's 30,000 * 130? 333 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:15,880 Sam, do the maths for me please. Bro, it's it's late. 334 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,840 All right, let's do the math. Let's do some math 30,000 times. 335 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,120 30,000 Sorry. For subjecting you guys to this, 336 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,200 I really apologize. I know it's not ideal. 337 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,800 So it's 39, it's 3 million. It's let's just call it 4 338 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,920 million, Bob, for a small artist like this is a small artist. 339 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,040 So I Googled this artist I listen to call Kyle Rich. 340 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,880 He's really blowing up right now and that's how much he charges. 341 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,520 And I'm just like, Bra, that's a small artist who charge 4 342 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,240 million Kenya shillings for a show in Kenya. 343 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,440 Like somebody who is like, yeah, I somebody who's kind of big. 344 00:19:54,760 --> 00:20:00,080 Now obviously our spending power is way different from America, 345 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,280 but. Yeah. 346 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,800 I think, I think there's a conversation to be had, 347 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,800 obviously. There is, there is and I guess. 348 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,600 It's not. To add on that, like, I think a 349 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,080 lot of people when they see money, they don't really think 350 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,000 about what goes into so they say, oh, it's just so why are 351 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,080 they being charged so much? I mean, why are they charging so 352 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,640 much for a show? But then this is a there's a lot 353 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,960 that goes into being an artist monetary wise and financially 354 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:32,720 sorry. And so it, it benefits them to 355 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,760 do the best for their business. Even you like if, if a random 356 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,280 person becomes an artist, when you get to that point, you do, 357 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,600 there's a balance between wanting to get enough work and 358 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,920 not like overprice yourself out of the market unless you have 359 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:50,680 like crazy amounts of leverage. And then there's, I forgot what 360 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,560 I was saying. There's a balance to do that and 361 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,920 and making like making a proper profit and doing the best for 362 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,200 yourself in terms of the business. 363 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,640 So it's cool, man. Yeah. 364 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,680 Book the boys. Book the boys, please. 365 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,120 It's a win for them, is a win for us. 366 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,120 Yeah, book the boys and actually listen. 367 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,960 I think bro, they should be actually charging a little bit 368 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:20,280 more because they're our they're our biggest acts, right? 369 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,840 And so if they are coming to if they're going to people with 370 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,440 100,000, like nobody's going to pay attention to somebody else 371 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,240 who's coming to them with like 100,000, they'll be like, well, 372 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,520 but Sati solar charging this. So we're going to charge you 373 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,800 less. So if they if if they up their 374 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,880 prices, then everybody goes up. In my simplistic way of 375 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,960 thinking, yeah. So hey, gonna make one some 376 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,280 some. So there's a huge conversation 377 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:56,080 going on on X or Twitter, actually on Twitter. 378 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,880 And it was actually quite compelling because there were 379 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:07,200 they seem to be a lot of shock and like what? 380 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:12,080 Like what's happening? So essentially it was posted 381 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:17,680 that one of the most streamed artists in the country is 382 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,200 Barbara Wangui. And a lot of people were very 383 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,360 thrown off because everybody would expect it to be the prime 384 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:34,720 suspect, such as BN or Sophia Yashinsky or Calligraph Jones or 385 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,160 somebody who they would expect, right? 386 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,320 Or Satisol, of course. But no. 387 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,640 And you know, looking into the numbers a little bit, you begin 388 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,160 to see a little bit of you begin to see things that I think are 389 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,200 very interesting. So obviously the most streamed 390 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:59,000 artists in the country on Spotify anyway is Sophie and 391 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,240 Zhao. The second most streamed artists 392 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:10,360 in the country, well as of the time of recording is TG Black 393 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:18,720 and #3 was Barbara Wang Goi and then I believe four and five 394 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:24,000 would be BN and it Aziz interchangeably, which makes 395 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,720 sense. I think they're very close and 396 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,280 this is surprising. I even put out a tweet like, you 397 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,360 know, the top three most streamed artists in Kenya are 398 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,000 women. And some people were like, what? 399 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,520 Like who are these people? Like, you know, a lot of. 400 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,480 Yeah, it's a lot of people are like the outrage. 401 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,440 Yeah. A lot of people are like, who is 402 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,360 who is TG black? Who is Barbara? 403 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:53,960 Like what's happening? And I think there's a 404 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,120 conversation to be had here. 1 some. 405 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:01,160 Why do you think people felt so blindsided by by this? 406 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,560 Like. The news fact, yeah, I mean, I 407 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,640 mean, well, so Kenya is a interesting place because 408 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,840 there's just so many different tastes, but the majority of 409 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,640 people listen to more pop music and by pop music I'm I'm going 410 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,880 to probably say Afropop. What are the genres could could 411 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,400 be in there? I think it's primarily primarily 412 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,640 Afropop that we listen to in its. 413 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,760 Different forms in Genghatone. Yeah, yeah. 414 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,120 And Genghatone and its derivatives. 415 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:33,800 Yeah, yeah, Genghatone and and all of them. 416 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,800 So, so that's, that's what the majority of people would be 417 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,640 listening to. At least that's what I would say 418 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,000 of Kenyans. Yes, yes, yes, because no, we're 419 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,120 we're just talking about Kenyans, but a lot this the the 420 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:50,840 artists that are really thriving the most are in like niche 421 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,560 pockets. Like Sophie Anzo is doing a lot 422 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,560 more Afro house. TG Black, of course, is what was 423 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,280 TG Black is just doing TG Black at this point, like she's just 424 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,880 doing everything. But it's also niche. 425 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:06,520 It's not like in the mainstream. And then we'll have Barbara 426 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,320 ongoing, who's her original music is very folk instrumental 427 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,160 type music. So people are outraged because 428 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,520 they're, they're shocked that what they put in their time and 429 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:21,400 effort to is not really what's the most popular now. 430 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,840 On Spotify. On Spotify, some people, of 431 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,320 course there's an argument. Is Spotify reflective of of real 432 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,280 life? I don't think it is. 433 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:34,440 I think it's numbers, but I do think it has something to say. 434 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,960 I think the numbers have something to say. 435 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,040 It might not be the most important conversation, but they 436 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,840 do have something to say. Yeah, it's interesting. 437 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:50,640 It's Kenya is very interesting. A lot of what we listen to are 438 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,800 it's our tastes. Our tastes have developed. 439 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,560 So when it's something negative, it's something outside of that. 440 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,840 And it's, I don't want to philosophize it too much, but 441 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,400 Thomas is like, people are out of control. 442 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,160 Or rather they don't have as much control over the music, But 443 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,720 that's, that's going a completely different route. 444 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,760 I just think that they're unfamiliar with the music. 445 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,480 And so they're shocked if I was to break it down, I've, I've 446 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,880 talked around around it, but then that's it. 447 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,040 They're just unfamiliar with what does these people are 448 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,440 doing. And so some of them don't like 449 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,400 it. Some of them are shocked, some 450 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,680 of them are. I don't know, it's weird. 451 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,440 OK, so I'll, I'll, I'll breakdown some of the numbers, 452 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,760 but these numbers are from a couple of days ago. 453 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,600 So things have shifted a little bit, but the artists are still 454 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,280 around the similar figures. So for example, what under 455 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:42,240 Willie have around 268,000 monthly listeners. 456 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:44,760 By the way, that's that's insane. 457 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:51,120 Charisma has 176 thousand. Ben Soul 400. 458 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,680 Pages. This is Kodung plan you're 459 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,880 reading out. Well, no, no, no, no. 460 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:02,960 Chris Kaiga has around 140,000. Yashinsky is at 166,000, 461 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,720 Calligraphy is at 87,000. Interesting. 462 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:13,640 Triomio is at 115,000, which is actually, I'm actually very 463 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,160 impressed by that. I. 464 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,960 I don't. Yeah, me too. 465 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,400 That's interesting. I know like come on Major 66,000 466 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:28,800 interesting Fermi one around 58,000, Benzema around 53,000, 467 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:34,520 Ochungulo family around 22,000 which is very interesting. 468 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,920 Karoon 93 around the Zinnia around 100 and 79180. 469 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:46,440 Maya Molo 25,000. Boutros around 1:50 one 50,000. 470 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:53,160 Fermi 1 around that 58,000 mark. And those, these are artists who 471 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,440 we would say most people would be more familiar with than the 472 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,440 top five, which we said is TG Black. 473 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,800 That's now in the. So yeah, in the mainstream, I 474 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,400 mean, we've seen because now there's different, there's more 475 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,040 sounds outside of that that people listen to that aren't 476 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,600 necessarily counting numbers the way we're counting numbers. 477 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,360 So that's a whole different conversation. 478 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,160 So let me ask. So for me, and I'm going like I 479 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,720 didn't actually know too much about Barbara Wangroy's music 480 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,760 before this whole conversation. And I and I found it interesting 481 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,680 because it's like also me, Like how come I never heard so much 482 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,480 about her music before this discourse started? 483 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:40,880 And I think, I think, I think now when we also look at where a 484 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,200 lot of these streams are coming from, then you begin to realize 485 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,800 this is a conversation about consumer habits and the fact 486 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:56,400 that streaming hasn't really penetrated Kenya as much as we. 487 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,760 And we talked about this in in passing last week. 488 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,560 But yeah, streaming hasn't really penetrated as much as we 489 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,800 would have liked it too. And, and and that's because, OK, 490 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,200 so the top five, we said it's Sophia, it's TG, it's Barbara, 491 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:21,520 it's BN and it's ID Aziz. So three out of the five of 492 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,040 those, is it three out of the five? 493 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:30,880 No, four out of the five derive their streams primarily outside 494 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,240 of the country. Yeah, if you do the math, just 495 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,040 go on Spotify and check at the bottom where the most listeners 496 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,800 are coming from. You can see the cities and 497 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,040 you'll find the information you're looking for. 498 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:52,480 And yeah, I just find it very interesting to see that damn, 499 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,000 streaming is just not like that big here. 500 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,920 But I like it. I like that artists have figured 501 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:04,720 out ways to bro, if my music isn't going to appeal to y'all 502 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,920 primarily, I'm going to still find a way to get it hard. 503 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,000 And that means that they still value in this music because 504 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,200 there's people who listen to it a lot and value it a lot, right? 505 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,480 I don't think I, you know, I hate when you go online and 506 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,400 people are like, who's TG Black, Hani Akinanani? 507 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,600 Like, who are these people? And then start trying to like, 508 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,720 yeah, it sounds like they're trying to bro, there's somebody 509 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,440 who on my in my comments was like, oh, Spotify actually has 510 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,840 does this goes goes through all these hoops to make sure it only 511 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,680 promotes female artists on my on my, on my page, even female 512 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,800 artists. I haven't listened to it. 513 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,600 Like there's some huge conspiracy to make it so that 514 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,000 there's only the female artists. They're accusing Barbara. 515 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,440 They're accusing Barbara of of bots. 516 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,840 No, it's not bots. It's not bots, but they're. 517 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,200 Accusing her of her, her, her all her not all are followers, 518 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,480 but most of our followers are bots. 519 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,160 And if you just go to her Spotify page and do a little bit 520 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,160 of of of science and just a bit of research, you'd understand 521 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,840 why she's getting that much. But people are just so lazy in 522 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,080 in terms of and here's the problem. 523 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:20,440 Here's the problem. What so All right, so I had sent 524 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,800 someone earlier. Now I'll just read it out and it 525 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,240 says we always make it about. We always make it about the 526 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,520 artists not making music for the general audience. 527 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,800 So now that's we're talking about like this niche artist, 528 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,080 like they don't make the music for the general audience and but 529 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,920 it's difficult for fans to acknowledge. 530 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,720 Fans don't want to acknowledge music other than what they enjoy 531 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,600 and what they like, right? And there's this. 532 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,720 I mean, recently we've had this whole push about play KE music 533 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,960 and so many people are doing great with that and playlists 534 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,520 and it's just really doing well. But then when it's not the 535 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,440 music, there is not the KE music that you enjoy primarily. 536 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,400 All of a sudden it's like bots and it's it's and. 537 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,240 Bro. And that becomes such a slippery 538 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,160 slope because it's like, at the end of the day, the music that 539 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,360 TG Black makes, yes, sure, maybe you could say it's has a lot of 540 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,840 like Western influence. The music that Sophie Anzhou and 541 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,800 yeah, the music that Sophie Anzhou and Ed Aziz hop on, which 542 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,440 is the EDM stuff that's primarily like European, ETC. 543 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,360 Like, sure, you could have that argument, but it's Kenyans who 544 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,520 are doing it. And I feel like that's a huge 545 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,840 argument to say this is still Kenyan music because they're 546 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,120 adding their own spin onto this music. 547 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,040 You know what I mean? True. 548 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,840 So it doesn't for me. For me, it doesn't make it any 549 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,440 less Kenyan. I mean, the slippery slope is 550 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,400 that like, yeah, sorry, go ahead. 551 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,440 No. No, I was just, I was going to 552 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,600 Sofia Zao is singing in Kikuyu. People are throwing Swahili and 553 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,920 stuff in there. Like, like, it's not, it's, it's 554 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,840 Kenyan. And I for me, I feel like the 555 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,440 best music, the best music always comes when you fuse 556 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,600 genres. That's when you make magic. 557 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,160 Yeah. Like, honestly, like, even me in 558 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,400 my production, when I say, oh, I want to do a drum and bass song, 559 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,040 but I'll try and add like, Afrobeat elements, that's when 560 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,920 you start cooking. Like, for real. 561 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,080 Like that's what now you're starting to make things. 562 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:21,960 You know what I mean? Yeah. 563 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,600 And yeah, you got into a slippery slope where, like, 564 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,080 artists now feel like, damn, like, now all I can make is 565 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,840 this. And then you feel very limited 566 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,160 and caged, you know what I mean? And I just think artists should 567 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,240 have the freedom to hop on whatever it is that they want to 568 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,880 hop on. And. 569 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,680 Without being accused of using bots, yes. 570 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,640 Without actually being accused of using bots. 571 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,880 And I guess this is also ultimately very freeing because 572 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,920 it means if you're an artist in Kenya, like you will find your 573 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,120 audience. Sophie Anzo, Ed Aziz, TG Black, 574 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,480 Barbara Angui figured out a way to do so. 575 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,440 I mean, Sophie Anzo, we and Ed Aziz, we know the pathway. 576 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,320 We, we talked about the pathway that they, that they achieved 577 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,520 this now. And bro, it's so brilliant. 578 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,639 It's so brilliant. And all these DJs are going to 579 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:17,120 like be forming at the mouth to try and work with Ed Aziz and 580 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,520 Sophie. And because they want that, 581 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:24,520 they, they also want, want that like authentic experience in 582 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,880 their music. And there's no way to get that 583 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,639 apart from working with the artist. 584 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,639 And through that, we're disseminating Kenyan music to 585 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,560 the whole world. So we're actually winning. 586 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,199 We're actually winning. And then there's no reason to be 587 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,159 like, resistant towards it, in our opinion. 588 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,560 But TG it's it's it's, it's a matter of taste. 589 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,400 It's a matter of taste. So if if your primary music is 590 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,880 if your primary uses element, I mentioned a specific artist 591 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,680 because it's going to come off from the primary music is like 592 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,800 an Afropop artist or whoever it is like hip hop, like drill, 593 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:10,120 Canyon drill and you see someone else blowing up and. 594 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:13,360 They just yeah, but we never get mad. 595 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,560 We never get mad at the drill artist for hopping on drill 596 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,600 beats. Drill is Oh no, no, no, yeah, 597 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,720 it's double standard comes. From double standards for. 598 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,440 Sure. Exactly. 599 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,200 Those are double standards because drill comes from the UK 600 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,520 and Chicago, you know what I mean? 601 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,640 Like it's not Kenyan like. And all the artists doing that 602 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,440 comes from South Africa. Yeah, that comes from South 603 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,920 Africa. But yeah, so it's, it's 604 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,440 interesting, man. So I do think, I do think we 605 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,360 need to support, we need to support Kenyan music in whatever 606 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,920 form it is. Like let's stop picking what 607 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,200 form we are going to support. And oh, I've never heard of this 608 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,760 person because you've not listened to this person. 609 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,680 How about you do some work and open up your, your ears to more 610 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,040 sounds within the genre. Maybe there's some stuff that 611 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,440 you're ignoring that you would like. 612 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,360 You know, as an artist, I don't sound like I'm preaching because 613 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,600 I also, I also need to do that more, is that maybe there's 614 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:08,600 stuff that I'm not necessarily drawn to immediately that I 615 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,440 could get with just because I've spent a little bit more time 616 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,680 with it and given some artists more chances. 617 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,840 You know, like there's so much more we could do than just 618 00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:22,000 having this place of the same type of music and just keeping 619 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,240 that and then now complaining when other people make it. 620 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:26,760 Yeah. Yeah. 621 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,960 And well, there's a, there's another conversation to be had 622 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,320 about music distribution. I don't know if I want to have 623 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,440 it now, but when you partner, when you partner with music 624 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:46,160 distribution distributors that are outside of the country, you 625 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:53,440 get so much more reach and so much more just value because 626 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,800 like they're, they're able to expose you to so many different 627 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,520 like markets. I feel like distributing from 628 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,720 within the country sometimes can be a little bit limiting. 629 00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:06,640 Yes, yeah, that's true. But that's a conversation for 630 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,360 another day. And it's if you have the 631 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:15,320 opportunity to, to do something similar, I don't know, put other 632 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,000 people's business out there. Like, please, I think you should 633 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,000 take it. That's why we exist. 634 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,880 Please, let's name names. Name names. 635 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,000 Really. All your friendships and 636 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,560 relationships. For the part. 637 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,160 For the sake of the part, No. I. 638 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,960 I wouldn't do so, but like I, I think, I think, and. 639 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,280 And that opens you up so much like more because then you're 640 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,640 able to really have your music played out there, you know? 641 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,160 Yeah. And just distributed like 642 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,680 widely. So yeah, man, like it just, it 643 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,480 is what it is. And, and also like the those 644 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,400 companies are also able to like monitor your royalty situation 645 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,800 and collect your money more efficiently. 646 00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,640 We've talked about the CMO situation back home and stuff 647 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,240 like that, but this, but this is that. 648 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:08,440 But to be honest, that stuff that you only consider when you 649 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,120 reach a certain level or if you have certain access, I mean, 650 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,920 it's it might be a bit of a detached conversation. 651 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,640 But I'm just saying if you ever get into a point of your career 652 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,600 where that opportunity opens up to for you, then I think you can 653 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,560 also, you should consider it at least, Yeah. 654 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,240 And see and see how to go about it also. 655 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,000 Just yeah. I mean just. 656 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,800 Sorry, just I guess to continue that it's there's different 657 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,000 opportunities like if you look at Barbara Ongoi, so she does a 658 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,240 lot of folk like acoustic stuff, right. 659 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,400 But the songs that she has gotten the most played on is she 660 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,280 used she does like I don't like voice acting. 661 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,520 She does like she's she's in the film side of things and 2024 662 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,440 they dropped and the some a project she was involved in 663 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,520 dropped an EP which has gotten like a whole bunch of plays, 664 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,280 which is almost the same thing that happened with Sophie Anzar 665 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,800 where she dropped a song and it really picked up immediately 666 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,680 right. So also like just figuring out 667 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,480 what you're comfortable with and then getting, getting that done 668 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,440 and that that works for artists that works for rather than 669 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,960 staying, because a lot of artists, I feel like they just 670 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,360 stay in their own lane and they're doing the same thing 671 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,200 over and over again and they don't want to try different 672 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,800 things. But it's just a, it's, it's a, 673 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:31,560 it's a good way to see how much, how much further you can go in 674 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,840 terms of an artist rather than just sticking to what you know 675 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:35,840 and what you're comfortable with. 676 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:43,040 But yeah man y'all stop hating. Yeah, let's stop hating. 677 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,240 Celebrate. Celebrate people. 678 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:47,800 And celebrate, let's celebrate everyone. 679 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,400 So shout out to everyone. Numbers aren't anything. 680 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,840 So for those artists who are mad and and forming at the mouth and 681 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,760 just fuming in their rooms, numbers aren't everything. 682 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,680 There's a lot more. We're just bringing this up and 683 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,000 we're using the numbers angle because that's what that's what 684 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,320 works currently for the conversation. 685 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,480 But numbers aren't everything. So just you're relaxed. 686 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,920 Come on, please and thank you. And thank you. 687 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:20,200 OK, so new music, Sam. What did we listen to this week 688 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,960 or what should we have listened to? 689 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,760 OK, let me look at Go ahead. Yeah, you go. 690 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:26,280 Sorry. Go ahead. 691 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,320 No, no, you go ahead. You go ahead. 692 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,000 I'll just highlight a couple of things that's that caught my 693 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,640 attention first. OK, let me talk about Matata. 694 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,320 Matata dropped. They dropped a song called to to 695 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,040 Mamadou. I was going to put you that 696 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,680 wrong. Black tacks and of course, it's 697 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,000 a socially conscious song talking about, you know, social 698 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,160 conscious things. And what was really interesting 699 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,640 is their video for me, the video, the song was produced by 700 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:54,640 the video is they said that they were talking about how much they 701 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,600 put into the video. And they've had like a bunch of 702 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,000 different concepts that described. 703 00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,800 And if you watch the video, it's just very, very, it sounds, it 704 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,120 looks like like they put in a lot of work into it, which is 705 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,720 really cool to see. I mean, Matata are usually known 706 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:11,000 for their videos. They have good music too. 707 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,400 But then like their videos have caught attention. 708 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,320 There's that one, what's that song called where they're in the 709 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,760 shopping grocery store, which caught everyone's attention. 710 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,600 And that's what really put Matata on the map, I think. 711 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,160 But yeah, man, so they released to Madu, to Madu at the 712 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,880 beginning of the year. And that's cool, man. 713 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,680 Looking forward to see what they they're also an act that I 714 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,480 wanted to see get on that level because I think they'd really 715 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,400 think about what they're doing. And they did well. 716 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:39,640 So yeah, I'm just hoping for the best for them. 717 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,960 Did you do what else was released this week, Mandy? 718 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,160 Mandy is tired, bro. Mandy. 719 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,520 Oh yeah, Mandy. Mandy is absolutely tired. 720 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,640 Mandy dropped a song called Ishia and she's just fed up, 721 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,600 bro. She's fed up with whoever who 722 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,160 the man who that was, who did whatever he did like she's she's 723 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,800 done. She was just hating the old 724 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,240 track. And I'm here for it, man. 725 00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:05,480 It's it's it's an interesting track. 726 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,000 It's interesting track. Yeah. 727 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,120 I would say I enjoyed it. I think it was cool. 728 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,360 Silverstone bars and Scam Cardinali dropped. 729 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,160 Explain it. It's just rapping. 730 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,240 I like scam Cardinali, man. It's cool. 731 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,000 And Silverstone brought the bars. 732 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,080 Yikes. But yeah, that was cool. 733 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,360 That was cool. What else? 734 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:26,920 What else? I don't want to burn it out 735 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:27,840 because you always say I burn out. 736 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,640 I burn out all the music and I leave nothing for you. 737 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,560 So go ahead. I'd never say that. 738 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,800 First of all, if you're listening to this for the first 739 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,080 time, that's a lie. OK? 740 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,680 No, let me not say that. Let me not say that. 741 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,720 Yo, we have to talk about the boy, the boy. 742 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:44,960 And we're not talking about Drake. 743 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,440 We're talking about Kahush, definitely, who might as well be 744 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,400 the Drake of the Killimani rappers. 745 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,320 So. You can't just say things like 746 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,200 you can't say things like that with no evidence. 747 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,440 And yes, I can. You just. 748 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,080 Yes, like what do you mean there's no evidence? 749 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,800 Of the proof of the key proof is. 750 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,920 Nah, the proof is in the pudding bro. 751 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,240 Like listen, Kahush is. Legendary. 752 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,040 No Kahush. Kahush has solidified his name 753 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,000 in the industry, my guy. Anyway. 754 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,440 No, but it's true though. Do you know how many people were 755 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,280 waiting for Kahush to drop? I mean, me included. 756 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,120 I'm not going to lie you. Included. 757 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,360 I would lie, you included. I was in there, I was in there. 758 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,360 I was waiting for exactly because. 759 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,760 I remember you asked, you are like, where did Kahush disappear 760 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,440 too? Well, let me tell you, he's been 761 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,640 cooking and he has been cooking a project that came out called 762 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,280 Kiyama. And yo man, we listen to it. 763 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,480 Listen to it. I mean, he didn't disappoint. 764 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,400 He he did what Kahush does best. Like it's a bunch of one liners 765 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,200 that are extremely hilarious. But yeah, sometimes he he he 766 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,800 says something like that's really deep and thoughtful and 767 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,760 meaningful and you're like, I didn't know Kahush like because 768 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,360 he the way he presents himself, sometimes you would think it's 769 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,240 just jokes. It's. 770 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:06,960 Jokes and games. Yeah yeah exactly. 771 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:12,960 But bro, like, you listen to songs like #14 Majiya Nasheeda, 772 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,400 like #13 actually like a very yeah. 773 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:17,840 Oh, number 13. Yeah, sorry. 774 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,280 Like that's actually a very like thought. 775 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,320 It's a deep. Song like he's speaking on 776 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,800 there. I I also like like Smokey 777 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,000 Robinson where he was like rapping, rapping like it's just, 778 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,760 it's OK. So when you listen to Kahosh, 779 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,600 you listen to Kahosh for the vibes, right? 780 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,520 And it's just, it's, it's fun. It's playful. 781 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,760 It's just like he's he's he's having a blast on the mic. 782 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,280 But then when he he apparently he also has like a serious side, 783 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,760 which yeah, so he has a serious side. 784 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,240 Like you said, Maji Hain. I should have like, I really 785 00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:49,800 enjoyed that just him, him speaking man, like just speaking 786 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,200 his heart. Like it's always cool when you 787 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,880 get a rapper. It's really a rapper who's not 788 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,320 known for being deep when they get into their deep bag and it's 789 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,680 not all the way horrible. Like that's pretty cool. 790 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,880 So shout out to him and shout out to him 14 songs. 791 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,480 And I love this. I love the ad libs. 792 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,160 These ad libs are always hilarious, Yeah. 793 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,560 Doesn't seem like there any any. What do you call it? 794 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,120 Any collaborations on this project? 795 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,520 Any features it was. Just no, no, no collabs. 796 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,520 Also, the production was done very like it wasn't. 797 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,720 It was done by so many different people. 798 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:27,640 Yeah, I expected to see a few names here, like producers that 799 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,280 I know, but like, I didn't see them. 800 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,720 So I was like, oh, who's he working with? 801 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:36,280 So I guess he, I guess he was very inspired by different 802 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,160 sounds and I like it diverse sounds. 803 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:43,200 There's trap, there's Afrobeats, there's a lot of different vibes 804 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,840 there. My favorite song is Pereka for 805 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,520 sure. Number 40. 806 00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:48,640 I don't know, it's this fire sound. 807 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,200 Anyway, shout out to Kahush. Shout out to Kahush. 808 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:56,240 Oh and also I have to say I like the voice notes and it felt very 809 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:57,680 like well put. Together. 810 00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,680 You love a good sentimental voice note, don't you? 811 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:03,120 Why you? Why you? 812 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,560 Why are you blowing up my spot? Like you like a good sentimental 813 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,680 voice Note you like a good, a good grandmother, grandmother 814 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:14,160 speaking to my soul on the Yeah, you like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 815 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:17,200 It's so voice notes are so impactful. 816 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,680 I may or may not double in voice notes in the future, but listen. 817 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,520 I'm blowing up your spot in it, and then you further, further 818 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,360 toss, toss a grenade in your yard yourself, all right? 819 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,120 Yeah, but shout out to Kahush. Now somebody else dropped music 820 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,480 and I want to come out the gate and apologize for not being able 821 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,520 to listen to it. And this is Tiger Goma by Frank 822 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,200 White. I couldn't listen to it, bro. 823 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,640 Like this was yesterday. I was trying my best clicking, I 824 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,720 even I, I, I went on my Spotify, my usual app, I couldn't listen 825 00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:53,120 to it. I went to it on, on on the 826 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,960 Spotify web. I was clicking. 827 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,920 I couldn't listen to it. I went to new music Friday like 828 00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:58,720 he. Stopped. 829 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,040 Seriously, I tried my I tried my best. 830 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,440 So I wouldn't be able to give you all my review on Frank 831 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,040 Quite, but I will listen to it during the week because now 832 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,360 miraculously, I can hear the music again. 833 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,240 So it's like what was happening yesterday. 834 00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:15,560 Universe. So yeah. 835 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,040 Yeah, but I listen. To tell us what I listen to it. 836 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,840 I listen to it and it was cool. I mean, if I'm just just right 837 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,920 of the start, I think it's what I sort of expected from him. 838 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,680 He has a very interesting style, very laid back. 839 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,520 He doesn't do too much. He says what he needs to say. 840 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,040 There was a bunch of features on there. 841 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,440 Dovuku is on there. Drix. 842 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,360 Drix is a is a interesting name. Drix is on there. 843 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,400 Big man breeder LW. We have little minor on there. 844 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,200 I really enjoyed that one. Tempt by Frogger and the minor 845 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:56,640 VB and Moana is on there, Nilifa and Iana and a bunch of other 846 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,200 people. It was interesting. 847 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:00,640 So there's a couple of themes from the album where he's like 848 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,680 samples, like on Tempt, he samples Temptations by Honestly 849 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:09,040 P Square. So he samples that one on My Boo 850 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,240 with Iana, he samples My Boo. Is that what the song is called 851 00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:17,880 by Usher and Alicia Keys? So there's on that. 852 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,280 So he's sort of like borrowing from tone if you're being 853 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,000 honest, but then it's not necessarily Ubuntone style 854 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,040 beats, which is. The spirit of Ubuntone. 855 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,040 Yeah, the spirit of Ubuntone, I like that. 856 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:30,880 So that's cool. But then it's really what you 857 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,680 expect from him back song McConnell Jew is is a very high 858 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,040 energy song. People are also loving what he 859 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,480 did with Ianna. I've seen a lot of people 860 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,760 talking about it just because it's a it's a very unlikely 861 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,640 pairing. If we're being honest. 862 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,000 You wouldn't really see those together, but I I liked, I like 863 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,360 that one of my favorites was Just Tempt by Whitley Minor. 864 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,800 I like Liam Minor on that song. I like what he's doing. 865 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,400 Liam Minor sounds to me, sounds like he's channeling the spirit 866 00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,840 of, of of the old older acts in terms of how he's rapping and 867 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,520 his inflections and just how it goes about it. 868 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,800 So I really enjoyed that one. But yeah, it was a cool project, 869 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,320 man school project. I do want to sit with it again 870 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:11,520 and just listen to it and go through it. 871 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,840 Yeah, it didn't disappoint too much. 872 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,280 A lot of it sounded, I would say a lot of it sounded the same. 873 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,800 Maybe because he is the same producer for a lot of it. 874 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:26,160 So like the beats and by by by that I mean like the beat style, 875 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,040 the just the the pattern was kind of similar. 876 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,160 But I think the producer did enough with it definitely not to 877 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,880 make it sound like the same song over and over again. 878 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:37,200 So. But that's cool. 879 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:38,720 Shout out to him and shout out to him. 880 00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:41,920 Shout out to Eugene and whoever took the picture for the album 881 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,080 out. Shout out to everyone involved. 882 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,240 Other songs I listened to this week was Shuka by Sophie Anzar 883 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:54,160 and Avion Bro, Fire. That beat is insane Fire. 884 00:49:54,160 --> 00:50:00,320 So shout out to Avion. Avion, There Was Time by Dali 885 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,760 and ET Aziz, by the way. Listen, these guys actually 886 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,000 deserve to be in top five because they release music like, 887 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,000 almost every week. But to be honest, yeah. 888 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,040 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 889 00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:11,280 Yeah, like there's no week where like there's no week where you 890 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,520 never see he does. His own there, like he jumps a 891 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,200 lot. I don't know when he sleeps. 892 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,680 Yeah, those just send. My money on. 893 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:25,440 Me, I mean yeah, the the money on yeah so VB I mean that's just 894 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,400 like a meme song because of the whole just send like things so 895 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:35,520 yeah explain it please. I mean it's cool. 896 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:41,400 I mean, I feel like the the just send trend like was like like a 897 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,920 month ago. Like now it just feels like OK 898 00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:46,800 in it. There was Explain it by 899 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,320 Silverstone Bars and scam Cardinali. 900 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:56,360 Oh, want to shout out M Rumbi. Him and Zawadi finally dropped 901 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,760 the Dua Tua song, which was on their series. 902 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:03,440 I think everyone was a huge fan of that. 903 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:04,760 Yeah, Yeah. Did you? 904 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,240 Was there anything else that came out? 905 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,120 Did. You mention Diana chords. 906 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,760 No, I did not. I did not mention that song. 907 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:22,880 But she did dropped Diana chords and who is she with Furthermore, 908 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,880 which is pretty cool. Yeah, man. 909 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:32,160 Not much else. Not much else honestly. 910 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,560 Not much else. So Sam, what do you think we 911 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:42,360 should play for them podcast? Let's go to take a Gomer for 912 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:49,800 this week. Let's do Mikono Ju by Frank 913 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:50,800 White. It's just a song. 914 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,400 I mean, it's it's a song with energy. 915 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,080 Breeder. Breeder was also talking like 916 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,120 he's he didn't, he didn't disappoint on his verse. 917 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,240 So it's pretty cool. Let's see who produced this one 918 00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:03,440 though. Is it Eugene as well? 919 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,640 So this was produced by Metro Amesuka Doba. 920 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,320 Oh yeah, yeah, Metro has been, Metro has been out here, like 921 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,040 doing some shit. So yeah, shout out to him. 922 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,800 Yeah, yeah. So this week we're going to play 923 00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:23,160 McConnell Jew by for Mr. Frank White and Breeder LW. 924 00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:52,640 Mikono Mikono. Mikono. 925 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,160 Mikono. Mikono. 926 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,360 Mikono. Mikono. 927 00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,480 Mikono. Mikono. 928 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:07,800 Mikono, Mikono. She went 929 00:53:32,240 --> 00:54:00,280 nuts. Oh. 930 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,840 Yeah, that was for Mr. Frank White. 931 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,000 He teamed up with Breeder LW with for the song McConnell Jew. 932 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,520 Shout out to him and shout out to him. 933 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:50,560 I hope the album does well and I'm just excited to see what he 934 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:55,320 is cooking. Not immediately, of course. 935 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,000 We have this thing of doing where when an artist drops are 936 00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,280 like, oh man, this was really cool. 937 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,200 I'm excited. What's next? 938 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,000 What's next now? Ned brought you. 939 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,360 He just dropped an album. Of course, if his work rate is 940 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,400 high, then shout out to him. Shout out to him. 941 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,360 I'm yapping. Yep. 942 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,800 Yes, Sir. Oh my goodness, Sam, we have 943 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,920 completed episode 113 of the podcast. 944 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:24,920 I mean, you know, if you are new here, I usually like to end the 945 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:30,200 podcast by kind of giving you all some of my thoughts on how 946 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,560 to be successful, especially in the creative space. 947 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,160 And these are thoughts that I also try my best to implement 948 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:41,880 into my own life because let's be honest, man, I I also need to 949 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,960 be, I also need to lock in. So I like to give out the three 950 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:51,440 CS and the three CS are essentially confidence. 951 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,080 I need you guys to be confident in your art, confident in your 952 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,360 creativity. People eat up confidence and 953 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,680 that's what gets your art seen. You need to be consistent in 954 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:07,240 both the creation and the release or distribution of your 955 00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:10,080 work. I'm not telling you to release 956 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,320 your work every day or every week, but be consistent with it. 957 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:19,760 And lastly, craft always, always always work on your craft. 958 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,240 Even if you can only dedicate 5 minutes of your day. 959 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,480 Because as a creative, I understand like sometimes when 960 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,000 you're trying to get things off the ground, you have to have 961 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,600 some side hustles and this and that and the 3rd to make things 962 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,640 work. But if you can only dedicate 5, 963 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,640 5 minutes to to your craft, watching something that helps 964 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:43,800 you progress or maybe even just, you know, messing around with if 965 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,000 you, if you're a painter, just like sketching something for 5 966 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,720 minutes, I don't know, doing something small, that stuff goes 967 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:57,400 a long way some. Yep, I learned an interesting 968 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,640 little thing that should help with productivity this week, and 969 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,840 it's very simple, but I don't know, for some reason I never 970 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,160 thought about it. A lot of successful people are 971 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:17,840 do it now people, people like me who have, who are predisposed to 972 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,720 anxiety, sometimes we tend to want to wait for the perfect 973 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,320 time. Like if you have an idea, Oh, I 974 00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,360 want to work with this artist. Oh, let me wait for the perfect 975 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,440 time to reach out to them. Oh, it's, it's probably too 976 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:28,680 late. Let me wait for morning when 977 00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,400 they're fresh and you know, that's when they're going to 978 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,320 respond to me or things like that. 979 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,400 But a lot of people are just like immediately the idea pops 980 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:37,960 in their head. Of course, you have to do it 981 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,640 with tact, right? You can't just be just be 982 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,440 running around like a headless chicken. 983 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,520 But then it's they have some sense of urgency in their work. 984 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:51,720 And as a creative, I think that that that would help where so 985 00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,640 that you don't have time to think about your plans. 986 00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,840 Because sometimes thinking, thinking about your plans 987 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,760 sometimes is the worst thing you could possibly do to them. 988 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,120 Thinking about them kills them. It's so it's true. 989 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,240 Yeah. So you have an idea, get to it. 990 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,080 Now you want to reach out to somebody, Do it because it goes 991 00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:14,480 hand in hand with an anxiety. And the cure for anxiety is not, 992 00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,120 and I don't mean like, I don't necessarily mean like clinical 993 00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,200 anxiety where you have to take medications, but then just that 994 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,640 natural anxiety that we have when we're getting into, when I 995 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:24,760 get into uncomfortable situations. 996 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,880 But the cure for anxiety is not is not waiting for the perfect 997 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,920 time to doing it. The careful anxiety is action. 998 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,800 So the moment you you get things done and you get over that hump 999 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,200 or whatever it is you're you're sort of freaking out about, then 1000 00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,280 you're able to come out on the other side and you and you look 1001 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,200 back, you realize that oh, man, that probably wasn't as 1002 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,760 terrible. So yeah, it's just cool to be an 1003 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,080 urgency person. I agreed. 1004 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,400 Yeah, yeah. Just be an urgency person. 1005 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,400 Get if you want to do something, do it now. 1006 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,080 Most of the time what you're afraid of is not really 1007 00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:57,120 something to be feared. So. 1008 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,600 Yep, yeah, bro, some I think that's so true. 1009 01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,200 Like I think thinking is the OPS honestly. 1010 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,760 Thinking is the OPS funny thinking. 1011 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,840 No, no, because on no, no, because genuinely like that's 1012 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,480 why even when people are like you're you're going skydiving or 1013 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,680 bungee jumping, they'd be like, listen, no matter what, when we 1014 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:23,000 when we get to 1, you just go just to the like 321 go like 1015 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,920 that's what a lot of people do. Even in life. 1016 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:30,080 You're like, you give yourself a countdown, 3, 21 commit, don't 1017 01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,480 think about, because when you start thinking about it and then 1018 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,360 this and that, then you just hesitate. 1019 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,040 Yeah, You know, like you have to eliminate that thinking about 1020 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,600 things like too much, because thinking is where we go wrong 1021 01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,040 sometimes. I know that sounds like a crazy 1022 01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,520 thing. It does kind of sounds crazy, 1023 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:46,760 but it's true. I'm not saying that you 1024 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,680 shouldn't plan. I think you should plan. 1025 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,840 Obviously planning is definitely a good thing, yes, But for 1026 01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,200 smaller decisions and things like that, even for some big 1027 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,560 decisions like just just get into it, get into it and do it. 1028 01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,360 For sure, you'll figure it out later. 1029 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:05,920 Yeah, episode 113. Down the can, we will catch you 1030 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,840 guys on episode 114. Yep.