1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,560 And, you know, the things we're saying are, are not easy to do 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,720 though, you know, like was right now we're on the podcast saying 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:07,880 as though making a hit is an easy thing to do. 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,200 It's not. Oh, yeah. 5 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,200 But we're just kind of telling. You I'm which? 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,120 What's the? Because no one knows what that 7 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,600 is. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, 8 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,720 that's correct. That's correct. 9 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:18,200 Assistance. What is it? 10 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,240 Yeah, oh, back seat, back seat drivers, Yeah. 11 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,080 Oh, we're being back benched. Back back bench drivers man. 12 00:00:24,280 --> 00:01:00,120 Than your podcast. Big bumper. 13 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:33,320 Yeah, yeah. What's up guys? 14 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:40,840 And welcome to episode 142 of the 30% podcast. 15 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,240 I go by Alpha. My Co host goes by Sam, Ari, 16 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,080 Jedediah and Sam. Thank goodness we're still 17 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,160 around. You know, I thought the world 18 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,120 was going to end on Saturday, but you know, here we are, man, 19 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,880 you know, delivering another podcast for you guys, certain 20 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,880 people. Yo, you didn't. 21 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,440 You didn't see prophet awards his his his church. 22 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,199 Oh man, listen to Stop with the Prophet. 23 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:14,720 Literally no. But he literally the church said 24 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,360 that the, that, that the, the world was ending on August 2nd. 25 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,240 So me, I was ready, man. I was like, yo, Saturday, it's 26 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,360 it's up, it's up. You know, we only got to 141 27 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,800 episodes of the podcast, but thankfully nobody. 28 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,080 Knows the. Day or the hour? 29 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,120 No one knows the day or the hour except Propheto Roy. 30 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,040 Propheto Roy and his boys and girls. 31 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,680 We're back. We're back, back. 32 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,120 We're back. So now what happens? 33 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,960 What happens to a church? What what happens to people 34 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,720 where you prophecy that the world is going to end and then 35 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,360 the next day you wake up like what? 36 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:55,960 What do you do? What's protocol in that 37 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,160 situation? The congregation. 38 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,080 The congregation will still go, and still. 39 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,280 All right, there's a bit of saucing. 40 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,440 Let's not get to do that because there's a bit of saucing I get 41 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,200 to get to need your but. Anyway I. 42 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,440 Know you're ready for that, right? 43 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:16,880 Sam, we we are thankfully still here to deliver an amazing 44 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,960 podcast for you guys. I hope you guys have been good. 45 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,920 I hope your weeks. Have been progressed. 46 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:29,000 Until the next process, Sam, How are you doing, man? 47 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,800 I'm. Cool, I'm all right. 48 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,400 I'm cold. The temperature just for some 49 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,440 reason, the temperature just the day has been cold. 50 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,520 Sun was out. It was great. 51 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,560 And then all of a sudden the temperatures dropped, which is 52 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,720 absolutely terrible. It's cold, but I will not 53 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,800 complain as I complain. But yeah, that's cool. 54 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,200 I'm I'm I'm all right. This week feels weird because I 55 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,400 think the past like month I've been going out every single week 56 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,600 like twice, maybe for like music shows. 57 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,400 This past week, I didn't go out for nothing. 58 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,480 And I feel so bad, partly because there's things I wanted 59 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:58,720 to go out for, but then I couldn't. 60 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,080 Yeah. I just, I don't know, I feel, I 61 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:04,680 feel like I feel like a part of my life is. 62 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,360 Missing wow it. Just feels weird. 63 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,120 Wow look at the growth man. Some has been wearing less and 64 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,840 going out more, but like now he feels restricted. 65 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:14,840 Did you say? Wearing. 66 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:15,760 Wearing less? Don't. 67 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,519 Look at me like. Did you say wearing less and 68 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:19,240 going out more? Well, you could have just said 69 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,440 someone's been going out more. What's the wearing less? 70 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,080 It's the Drake line. It's a Drake. 71 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:25,560 Line. You don't. 72 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,360 All right, all right. OK, This is good. 73 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,240 This is a building moment. This is a building moment. 74 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,560 In, in, in, in this dynamic that we have. 75 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,800 Good on here. Don't you ever use any Drake 76 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,880 lines to refer to me, because the life Drake lives and the 77 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,120 life I live are literally different. 78 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,520 There will be nothing that applies to me that will apply to 79 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,720 him, apart from music itself. Really. 80 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:50,520 And Dennis, wasn't he talking about of of was that meant to 81 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,120 be? It's just. 82 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,280 Talking about a human being, it's about a human being. 83 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,320 You see now you're, you're you're some weird time. 84 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,320 But no, I've not been wearing less than going out more. 85 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,120 I've actually been wearing more and going out more because it's 86 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,320 cold. Yeah, layer up, layer up, guys, 87 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:08,400 it's cold. It's cold out there. 88 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,880 Please layer up, layer up. I've yeah, I've I didn't do 89 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,560 anything this week musical in terms of like shows and whatnot. 90 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:20,040 I missed it. But anyway, next week and 91 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,320 there's some good shows coming out too, some stuff I really 92 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,040 want to attend. There's something coming up with 93 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,640 Mass House with Matata in them that they've been promoting. 94 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,720 And it looks, it looks like it looks like it could be, it looks 95 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,600 like it could be, it could be, it could be some, it could be 96 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,480 some. So I want to go something. 97 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,520 Who am I? It could be something so really. 98 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,320 Yeah, it could be some. Yeah, it could be some for real 99 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:42,560 life. You have to check, you have to 100 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,560 correct yourself because hip hop lingo sneaks into it and and we 101 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,600 usually hit on hip hop lingo because like, no, you're bro, 102 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,000 you're from Nairobi. There's there's nothing anyway, 103 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,680 Yeah, so that's that's been that it's just been chill week 104 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,160 honestly working. How is the New York's the Big 105 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,440 Apple? Bro, New York is good, man. 106 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,520 The Big Apple is good. Just been working. 107 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:11,520 Yeah, and also watching a lot of media Man 1. 108 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,520 I started watching, I started rewatching. 109 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,640 I don't know if you ever watched this show. 110 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,760 It used to be, it was called be Batman Beyond. 111 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,160 You know, the the concept, the one where like Bruce Wayne is 112 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,320 old. Yeah, Bruce, Bruce Wayne is old. 113 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,480 It's like set in the future. And and then there's a kid who's 114 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,320 like the new Batman. It's actually so dope, man. 115 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:39,200 I really, I really respect like the retrofuturism wave, like of, 116 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,080 you know, like how people always used to like the Jetsons, like 117 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,440 the whole old idea of what the future. 118 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:48,920 The future is like, yeah, yeah, yeah. 119 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,520 Flying cars. There's always flying cars in. 120 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,560 There somewhere so yeah, yeah, we're. 121 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,640 Just working on drones. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 122 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,160 Even even Batman Beyond, this is so retro futuristic. 123 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,160 I just like that aesthetic so much. 124 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,800 So just been watching that. And then also listen, if you, 125 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,760 if, if you are listening to this and you're a fan of Love Island, 126 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:17,280 Oh my God, listen, Meg and Dejon are finally out of the villa. 127 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,320 Like listen, actually, by the time you guys are listening to 128 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,000 this, the final has already happened. 129 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,120 But who cares? Because every, every, every 130 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,480 couple that's left is a good couple. 131 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,000 And so I'm actually OK with whoever wins, although I 132 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,360 secretly really want Harry and Shakira to win. 133 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,360 Listen, the real ones know the real ones who are listening to 134 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,640 this podcast, who watch the island, they know. 135 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,720 They know only the real ones and all. 136 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,960 And only the real ones know how much we have suffered watching 137 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,960 Meg and Dejon week in, week out. Talk about oh, but we're 138 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,480 boyfriend and girlfriend. Shut up, you're out, you're 139 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,480 gone, you are done, you are finished. 140 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,320 Anyway, that's how my week ends. All right, well. 141 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,800 Sam, why do you look exasperated? 142 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,680 I'm very passionate about Love Island. 143 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:15,640 It's, it's television, bro. It's, it's, it's peak TV. 144 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,360 It's peak TV. Not just just, not just, it's 145 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,160 not just drama. It's like, listen, everything 146 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,200 we've done as humankind, creating the television, 147 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:33,520 discovering electricity, you know, technology, everything 148 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,120 that I'll keep to. Myself. 149 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,159 Oh, it shakes. Cancelled so quickly anyway. 150 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:46,320 Like even Shakes, Shakespeare, Shakespeare perfecting his 151 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,560 craft, you know, creating the genre of drama and all that 152 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:54,280 stuff. All of it culminated into Love 153 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,920 Island. And I thank everybody for 154 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,520 working. So where do we go from here? 155 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,800 Amazing. Where do we go like. 156 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:06,440 Nowhere, honestly, I don't I don't think I don't think human 157 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,440 beings can progress actually talking about hope for humanity. 158 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,720 Another thing I've been thinking about a lot is nostalgia. 159 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,800 And this also goes into the music industry and we've talked 160 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,640 about this before, but it's really worrying, bro. 161 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:26,520 I feel like there's this whole sentiment that, that the past 162 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:34,200 was so lit and was so good that there's nothing that can top 163 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,360 that. Because I keep seeing edits on 164 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,640 TikTok of like music from 2004 or 2000. 165 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,400 And then they show clips of like, yeah, they'll show clips 166 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,800 of like, of like pop culture moments in, in that era. 167 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,320 And I'm like, bro, it, it feels like, wow, I wish I could go 168 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,600 back. But like, do do you think so how 169 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,080 do you feel about that? Like it feels a bit like 170 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,560 pessimistic kind of to have that feeling like there's no, there's 171 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:04,320 nothing to look forward to anymore. 172 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:05,680 I don't know. Do you get what I'm trying to 173 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:07,280 say? Yeah, I do. 174 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,840 It's, I think it's just a result of how time moves. 175 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,200 I think because like us, we grew by us. 176 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,200 I mean like menu like millennials, we grew up at a 177 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,160 specific time. And so that is going to be the 178 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,480 most important thing to us because growing up, I mean 179 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:20,520 there's a whole psychology with it. 180 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,840 We're growing up. Everything is tied, tied to each 181 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,760 other in terms of the things that are happening around you 182 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,800 are tied to your emotions. And so they're almost always 183 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,960 going to trigger some sort of emotion in terms of how you felt 184 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,320 it. And but the thing about that is 185 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:40,120 the kids who are growing up today, 30 years from now, 15 186 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,920 years from now, are going to be feeling the way we feel about 187 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,200 that time, about this time, because it means much to the. 188 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,440 I mean, it means it means a lot to them in that way. 189 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,440 It's just, it's a cycle that keeps happening. 190 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,800 It's not good stuff, but. Not necessarily though the Stone 191 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,520 Age, but not necessarily so. So I want to just give like some 192 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:04,520 push back because like the kids who didn't even grow up in like 193 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,960 that era between 2000 and 2004, they like even the the kids who 194 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:14,440 are 2021 now, who are born in 2004, Some of them, their whole 195 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,400 aesthetic is from the 2000s, a time that they didn't even exist 196 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,560 in. Yeah, but that's a trend that 197 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,360 they're functioning off trend. There's not necessarily an 198 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,680 attachment to to that era. It's just a trend. 199 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:29,560 It looks cool and it looks like what people are really 200 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:33,000 gravitating to. For someone who was actually 201 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,240 growing up during that period, it's more than a trend to them. 202 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:40,760 It's more of it's it's life. It's lifestyle, yeah, it's their 203 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:41,960 lifestyle. It's their emotions. 204 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,080 It's, it has more of, more of a meaning to it. 205 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,600 But kids are just following trends. 206 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,120 That's all it is. Which which that's a interesting 207 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,240 question because the question I, I would like to ask, I was 208 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:59,440 thinking about it over the weekend, is do you think as an 209 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,520 artist and as someone who is in art, fashion? 210 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:07,040 I'm talking fashion, I'm talking dance, I'm talking music, film. 211 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,600 Do you think as it's do you think better is the time I'm 212 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,280 going to use? I think it's better now to 213 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:20,560 experience art with the age of technology and social media and 214 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:23,640 having access to artists and all of the things. 215 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,360 Or do you think it would have been better back then, when you 216 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,480 really didn't have access to the art as much, you only had access 217 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,720 to the mediums that show it to you? 218 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,760 I think access to technology has ruined everything. 219 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:42,360 It has ruined everything. So my answer is, I think in the 220 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,240 onset of technology, like when technology was really becoming 221 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:48,720 like. And when I say technology, I 222 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,400 also mean like the Internet, when the Internet really started 223 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,000 like becoming a part of our lives. 224 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,880 Yeah. That period was perfect because 225 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:03,000 there was a, there was a nice balance between, um, and I'm 226 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,120 talking about this period between like, let's say the year 227 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:10,560 2000 and the year 2008. It where it was just like the 228 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:14,600 Internet is still bubbling up. So we're still coming from, oh, 229 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,240 this is how we listen to music on like we watch music videos on 230 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:23,640 MTV or we go out and and listen to music or you go to you go to 231 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:29,000 a shop and you buy CDs and vinyls and also you're also like 232 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,640 consuming content via the Internet, but not as much as you 233 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,560 are now. It's not it's not easily 234 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:41,440 accessible because not everyone has access to fast Internet. 235 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:46,760 I think that period was just, it was phenomenal. 236 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,600 And that was the peak. Right now, it's horrible. 237 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:56,520 This like the access we have to music is so instantaneous. 238 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,400 Like you get celebrities and to artists. 239 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,400 Yeah. And exactly. 240 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,760 And there's so much of it, you get option paralysis. 241 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,080 You don't know what to listen to because there's just so much. 242 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,360 It's everywhere. Like you don't know what to 243 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,120 decide to listen to at this point. 244 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,920 You at, at some point you, you, you need people to tell you what 245 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,480 to listen to because, because if they don't, then you'll just be 246 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,720 lost in this cesspool of, of, of, of art. 247 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,440 And, and, and, and we're, it's not going to get better. 248 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,200 It's only going to get worse. So I think we just need to to to 249 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:43,840 to actively try as hard as we can to revert to consuming media 250 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:50,000 in more physical mode. So you think like like part of 251 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,560 the? Of the Internet and. 252 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,400 Frank's Frank Sinatra and Frank Sinatra and Charlie Chaplin and 253 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,160 you know those the the black and white age like you think they. 254 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,360 Yeah. They think that they enjoyed art 255 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,040 more than we would here because we just have so much access into 256 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,280 how the art is created. And it just kind of takes away 257 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,960 some of that, some of the novelty in art. 258 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,480 But then, isn't art also on the other side of that thought? 259 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,280 Isn't art just supposed to be a reflection of human beings? 260 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,760 Just human beings reflecting their thoughts and ideas back to 261 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,320 themselves? It is. 262 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,520 It is. Art is definitely a reflection 263 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:34,040 of the times. But I think even if you compare 264 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,560 analog and digital modes of listening to music, Sam, Right. 265 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:43,520 Yeah, Everybody knows when you listen to music on a vinyl, it 266 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,160 sounds so much. Better. 267 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,280 That's propaganda. It's not, it's not that's that's 268 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,800 that's big. It's not that's big, big vinyl. 269 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:58,560 Oh my God, Oh my God, it's it's so, so, so so do you know why 270 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:04,480 you see the digital music is digital stuff is zeros and ones, 271 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,840 right? The reason analogue music is 272 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,360 analogue is because like it's, it's made manually. 273 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,080 It's through the etching of like those grooves and the the way 274 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,600 it's read by those magnet whatever's like on the vinyls 275 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,960 and stuff like that. And so there's way more like 276 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,640 information. How do I describe this? 277 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,960 There's way more information in that music than digital music, 278 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,160 because digital music is kind of limited by the zeros and ones 279 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,440 and stuff like that. And, and so you get way more 280 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:46,960 detail with, with analog modes of, of listening to music. 281 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,640 The reason I'm saying this is I think even the way music was 282 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:57,600 created back in the day, it was just more wholesome they didn't 283 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,200 have access to. You. 284 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,760 See us, we have DWS. Yeah, we have DWS. 285 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,480 We have bro 300 tracks to do whatever. 286 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:12,520 You could put one high. Hat they had 4 tracks they had 287 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,240 they had two tracks, they had 4 tracks, they had 8 tracks. 288 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,920 Making the music was, was, it was like so special. 289 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,319 It was so special. Like people, people didn't have 290 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:28,880 the luxury to just like sit around and just like mess around 291 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,320 and on when no, when they were making music, they were making 292 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,640 music because they had finite resources and, and, and, and 293 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,400 they had to just work with what they had. 294 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,640 And so when they made music, they really put their heart and 295 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,320 soul into that stuff, man. Because bro, you only have 4 296 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,080 tracks. You only have this amount of 297 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,120 time to make it. You know what I mean? 298 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,800 So I think, I think things were actually genuinely slightly 299 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,120 better back in the day. Right now it's it's just kind of 300 00:17:56,120 --> 00:18:01,960 like anyone is doing music, like anybody in your mom can make 301 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,680 music. Nowadays, yeah, there's a 302 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,440 grandma following. There's a grandma following. 303 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,440 So who's DJ? She's a DJ and she puts like, I 304 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,520 think she just, she's, she's a promoter, not really a DJ. 305 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,200 But then yeah, everyone and the grandma literally can make 306 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,640 music. Shout out to grandmas man. 307 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,480 Shout out to Grandma. Shout out to grandmas. 308 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,160 See, I don't I'm not the only one who does the random 309 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,880 shoutouts so. Grandmas deserve shoutouts. 310 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,880 Grandmas deserve shoutouts, man. No, they do, but like, I'm not 311 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,720 the only one who does it. Anyway, music is, is is fun. 312 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,440 I guess it's whatever age you're in, you'll listen to music and 313 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,480 the people who are in the future, who have their music 314 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,120 implanted and streamed directly to their brains will think that 315 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:42,920 us, we have it good with Spotify, just like we think that 316 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,200 the other people had it good with just theatres and operas, 317 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,240 whatever. Oh yeah, definitely. 318 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:51,720 OK. Actually, you're right. 319 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,880 Because people in the future would probably think we had it 320 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:55,640 better. We just. 321 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,400 And that's what I was talking about when you were asking that 322 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,520 question in terms of it's just generational, It's what means 323 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,520 the most to us. It's just it goes by 324 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,680 generations. I don't know if there's a golden 325 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,200 age per SE. That would be weird. 326 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaking of generations, there's been a generational divide on 327 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:18,400 the Internet. So Genghatone artist Parotti has 328 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,680 been going at Toxic Ali for the past week also. 329 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:27,200 I don't even know why he's doing this like so consistently. 330 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,400 I don't know what it is about toxic Ali that has just like 331 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,880 rubbed bro the wrong way. But as you guys know, toxic Ali 332 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,120 right now is on a run, you know, like he's he's actually, I think 333 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:44,080 it's safe to say he's the artist in Kenya with the most hype 334 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,360 around him. I think that's just like a 335 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:51,400 sensible thing to say aside from BN, of course, but like in terms 336 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,400 of just like the the upcoming, like new whatever, like toxic 337 00:19:55,400 --> 00:20:00,240 really Cali is the guy and parote last week. 338 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,920 And this is this frustrates me so much. 339 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,000 I feel like things always happen after we do the podcast, after 340 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,560 we do the podcast, news always happens and then now we have to 341 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,000 wait a week to talk about it. It infuriates me. 342 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:18,800 But anyway, so after we did last week's podcast, there was a 343 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,720 whole thing about Toxic lyrically saying that. 344 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,960 Your artist need to chill about asking for collabs. 345 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:29,600 Like he's he's basically was just saying like, you know, if 346 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,760 it happens, it happens. But like, you know, that just 347 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:37,360 can't be the whole conversation that we're having day in, day 348 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:40,040 out, asking me for collabs, asking me for collabs. 349 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:46,360 And then Parotti comes and says, bro, you're being prideful. 350 00:20:46,360 --> 00:20:51,040 Like you think you'll be hot forever but just me this shit. 351 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:56,120 Comes and goes. Like, yeah, you just got here, 352 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:59,080 like, honestly. And Parrotti has the experience. 353 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,880 Parroti has been around for like 4 or five years, you know what I 354 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,760 mean? So Toxiclicali goes back on the 355 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,960 Internet and says he's not being prideful. 356 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:13,120 He's actually just, you know, he'd, he'd never like, he'd 357 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:16,120 never, like, express himself that way anyway. 358 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,120 But Parrotti is kind of like insistent that, you know, toxic 359 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:23,720 lyrically is in the wrong here and he just needs to humble 360 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,520 himself a little bit more. So I wanted to ask you some, do 361 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,000 you think Toxic lyrically needs to humble himself a little bit 362 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:37,960 more or is he right in in in what he was saying initially? 363 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,320 This is a conversation, I think about perception. 364 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,800 Perception in perception in music is everything. 365 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:50,480 Perception in music is everything because once speaking 366 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:57,360 from like just music itself, once you get a hit and all eyes 367 00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:02,160 on you, you're perceived as the important one. 368 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,400 You're you're perceived as what's important in the moment. 369 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:09,040 The spotlight is on you and the industry's eyes and everything 370 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,400 on you. So you're important. 371 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,040 That creates a weird, it just creates a weird thing where now 372 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,360 all of a sudden you might be viewed higher and better and 373 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:22,760 what do you call more, more successful than you are just 374 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,640 because of that? That whole thing of the 375 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:33,520 spotlight is on you. And so the different ideas and I 376 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,280 don't even know the right term to it, but it just, it just 377 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,040 makes everything weird because now people like, because there's 378 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,560 people who have have they've just been chilling. 379 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,760 Then they get a hit and all of a sudden they're completely 380 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,080 inaccessible. All of a sudden now is talk to 381 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,160 my manager. All of a sudden is now I'm not 382 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,640 doing any features. And I'm not saying this is 383 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,120 toxic. I'm just going to, I'm not doing 384 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,440 any features. I just really and, and people 385 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,400 and people, people try and make it different things. 386 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,160 I'm just trying to focus on me right now. 387 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,480 I'm on a run and just I just want to and you know, he's 388 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,280 trying to sign you. Some the no, some the worst I've 389 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,880 ever been told is I don't have the. 390 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,960 Oh, Messi, that's that. That one is disrespectful, 391 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,640 though. That one is just as what do you 392 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,240 mean you don't have the mentor? What do you mean go get it? 393 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:15,720 Go get where do you where do they go? 394 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,320 Get that mentor? So the perception is everything. 395 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,240 So once you're hot now and the people with the best perceptions 396 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,040 of the people with the power, so now him as an artist, it can be 397 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,240 like can go. You know what, no, I'm not. 398 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,920 I don't want to. I'm not going to do features and 399 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,800 you can't say anything about it. You really can't say anything 400 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,800 about it. It looks salty when you now come 401 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,960 back, like priority goes back as I say, no farm or you think, you 402 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,000 know, like you just got here that that whole discourse, it 403 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:48,560 looks it comes off as salty. But then on either side, I think 404 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:55,320 they both probably have some sort of skin in the game, some 405 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,040 sort of truth to to what they're saying, because toxic could be 406 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,800 like, listen, man. And in his mind, he might be 407 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,520 trying to play it off humble. We don't know, right? 408 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,520 He might be trying to play it off humble And but in his mind, 409 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,120 it's like, I probably have a goal and my goal is to do this, 410 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:08,240 do this, do this. Maybe he wants to do features 411 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,720 and just genuinely can't do the features right now or whatever 412 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,400 it is. But that's always going to be 413 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,720 looked at. The moment you get that 414 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,520 perception and all the eyes are on you, just by nature of how 415 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,400 things function, that's going to be looked at as, yeah, you're 416 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,800 just trying to send me like, you don't have the mental capacity 417 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,080 now. You're just, you're just all 418 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,040 right, cool. You know? 419 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,400 Is there a right and a wrong in this situation? 420 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,720 What do you think? Do you think there's a right and 421 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,960 a wrong in this situation? I don't know if there is. 422 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,280 What's the nature of how things are? 423 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,920 Even before we get there, do you think, do you think Parote is 424 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,960 cloud chasing a little bit because that's what people have 425 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,760 been saying? Yo first can we? 426 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,920 Can we just? Like why is parote so can we? 427 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,920 Retire cloud chasing because now whenever anyone does anything in 428 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,520 the public eye and on social media that may not rob well with 429 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,120 with you, all of a sudden it's cloud chasing. 430 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:54,320 Cloud chasing is a specific town for a specific thing. 431 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,920 It's going on the Internet with the intention of getting 432 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:02,560 attention of seeking attention. I don't think priority would be 433 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,560 in the term place where he'll be cloud chasing. 434 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,000 I just I've never seen it from him so I would I could maybe I 435 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,440 could be wrong, but cloud chasing is really stop using 436 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,400 cloud chasing for everything man. 437 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,200 Just because you don't agree with someone on the Internet 438 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,600 doesn't mean that cloud chasing. My favorite new term on the 439 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,600 Internet is adding the word maxing or adding the word 440 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:27,320 morguing to things. Which is farming over with 441 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,840 because it used to be farming before it's farming over with. 442 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,720 Oh, farming is old. Farming is. 443 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,320 Old, that was like. Adding mugging and maxing to 444 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,400 things keep. Up man, I'm saying I can't kill. 445 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:47,960 The yeah so so some people would say toxic critical is cloud 446 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,320 maxing. Cloud maxing that actually has a 447 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,600 ring to it. Cloud maxing is a fire word. 448 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,960 Cloud maxing is it 2 XS. It's just the one. 449 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,880 It's just the 1X. Yeah, 2X. 450 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,760 Yeah, that makes it. Look so much harder. 451 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,480 I knew it. Yeah, Cloud Maxim is fired. 452 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,600 So who so who's in the wrong and who's on the right? 453 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:15,200 So I I, I kind of side with with toxic really Cali here because 454 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,680 you have to think about it some He's in a position where like 455 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,480 just think about how many people are asking for favours. 456 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,000 Yeah, at this. Moment. 457 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,120 This time, everyone wants to be attached to it. 458 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,440 It's good. It's it's going to be so hectic 459 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,680 in his camp. Everybody and their mom wants a 460 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,720 toxic lyricali. Wants a. 461 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,360 Toxicali feature they were exactly they want a toxicali 462 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,600 video, they want a toxicali endorsement, they want a 463 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,840 toxicali this and that and the 3rd and I'm sure like it's it's 464 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:59,360 stressful and whatever he does, he's not going to be able to 465 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:03,880 like satisfy everybody. Everybody's going to like. 466 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,920 Yeah. Feel that type of way no matter 467 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,320 what he he decides to do. Yeah. 468 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,040 And so in my opinion, I think he needs to be really picky but 469 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,960 also really smart about how he moves. 470 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,360 I don't think he needs to be rude. 471 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,040 He doesn't. I don't want him to start being 472 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:28,400 like snobby or or or not. You know, there's this trend on 473 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,040 TikTok about how like you're going to switch up on your day 474 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,200 ones when you make money and everyone is like, yeah, we're 475 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,520 just going to switch up. But no, I wouldn't want him to 476 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,920 switch up on like his people or just switch up on on on what 477 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,040 made him who he is today. But I do understand not being 478 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,240 able to collaborate with everybody. 479 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:57,560 You know, some artists is like, you know, you like some you 480 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:03,640 might have been in let's say, let's say you're you're in the 481 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,480 come up, right, And and there might be some artists who you 482 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,360 knew in in your hood and they were making music. 483 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:14,800 But then you everything just started working out, right? 484 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,080 And those artists kind of stayed at the same level, right? 485 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,600 They didn't really. Yeah, they didn't. 486 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,760 They didn't leave. The hood, their career, they 487 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,520 didn't even really. Yeah. 488 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,240 And then or no, or they just didn't work on their craft as 489 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,520 much, right. And so they kind of stagnated. 490 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,200 And then now, just because you all knew each other, like this 491 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,400 person is asking you to do a feature on a song. 492 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,000 But bro, you're a different person at this point in time and 493 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,400 you kind of stayed the same. Like it might not make the most 494 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,560 sense for me right now and I know that sounds very mean. 495 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,400 I mean, that does make sense. But yeah, you can't. 496 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,280 That does make sense. You can't just work with. 497 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,120 It doesn't make sense. I'm. 498 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,840 Saying it makes sense. It makes it makes sense. 499 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,480 It's you've moved. Yeah, you can't just work with 500 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,280 every. Yeah, you can't just work with 501 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,800 everybody just because like you're. 502 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,600 It feels very handouty. It feels like I'm giving you a 503 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,440 handout. It feels like, like you just 504 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:23,160 want to attach yourself to me now because I am who I am and, 505 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:30,200 and, and the eyes are on me. And not necessarily because we 506 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,720 came from the same spot. But I also do understand that 507 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,080 people who just like, they switch up, like the switch up is 508 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,320 real. The switch up happens more often 509 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,800 I think than the other thing. What do you understand? 510 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,080 Wait, what do you mean? Do you understand? 511 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,560 I no, I, I, I understand that the switch off happens. 512 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:52,960 I understand that that people, people do a lot of just once I 513 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,200 am him. I am, I'm him and I'm going to 514 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,480 say what's up to you? Like when I see you, but you 515 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,720 still have to buy tickets to the show. 516 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,000 That happens a lot. We just people just never talk 517 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,920 about it. But again, this whole thing is 518 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,120 about it's for me, it's about perception because then now as 519 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,320 an artist, like just speaking about the industry, I feel like 520 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,040 as an artist, the moment you get like a look like toxic lyric 521 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,320 lyric Ali has did I did I say that already? 522 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,080 Lyric Ali? Like once you get that look, he 523 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,480 you then have to manage your perception in in in the 524 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,400 industry. You have to start. 525 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,560 You can't just you can't just be going to everyone and anyone and 526 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,720 then be operating and moving in the same way. 527 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,440 Like you've gone up a level and with going up a level that 528 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,320 brings a little bit more responsibilities and just 529 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,040 different things you have to do to advance. 530 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,720 Like for you to advance from the bottom up to to where he 531 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,880 probably is, is just make a good song. 532 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,560 Make a song everyone can vibe to, but then now after that you 533 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,800 have to make a good song and then you have to be seen in 534 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,080 specific places and this is how the industry is. 535 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,000 There's just levels that you have to progress with, and if 536 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,680 you want to succeed, you have to really do a lot of managing of 537 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,800 that. And it's such a balancing act. 538 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,920 Like you said, there's a lot of management that needs to take 539 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,440 place. Yeah, You know what I mean? 540 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,080 And, and I don't think I think tech toxic lyrically is still 541 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,040 like connected to where he's from. 542 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,160 Like I always when I'm, when I'm out on YouTube, just like 543 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,240 looking for new talent and stuff or just like new songs. 544 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,120 I, I sometimes I just be bumping into toxicly Ricali's comments 545 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,080 and he's usually just like, yo, this shit is tough. 546 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,720 You know what I mean? Like he's supportive of the 547 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,320 upcoming acts. I've seen it. 548 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,360 I've seen it in my like this one artist I I've been listening to 549 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,080 called Shaman. He's he's part of a group called 550 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,960 Republic EMS. They're so small, like they're 551 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,840 they're they're not popping or like they're not like 552 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,560 mainstream, but yet toxic. Really. 553 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,000 Cali is in the comments saying that this shit is hard. 554 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,800 Even in the song with shy boy ghetto tycoon, right, He's in 555 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,720 the comments. Stop laughing. 556 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,520 He's in the comments saying that that song is hard. 557 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,240 So it's not to say like that Toxicly Ricali is completely 558 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,680 switching up on people. He's still there like supporting 559 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,520 people in the best way that he can, you know what I mean? 560 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,240 And so bro, I don't fault him. So for me personally, now, if 561 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:35,520 this is me, if I'm toxicly Ricali, what I would do is like 562 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,440 you said, there's there's there's expectations on him just 563 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,040 now. Start moving like an artist who 564 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,920 is established. So yeah, Boutros wants to do, 565 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,240 Boutros wants to do a collab, Brooklyn Boys wants to do a 566 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,800 collab. Do the collabs with them. 567 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:55,600 I still would do collabs with people who are less known or 568 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,680 people who are still kind of like not mainstream names. 569 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,000 I would still do that, but they would have to be really good for 570 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,200 sure. But like I would still do those. 571 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,400 I, I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't completely just now start 572 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,360 working with mainstream acts and then and then yeah, like I 573 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,760 would, I would do that, but not, I wouldn't like over saturate 574 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,280 myself essentially. You know what? 575 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,520 I mean you do and, and unfortunately just the way 576 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,480 Kenya's, Kenya's industry is a very hit driven industry because 577 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,960 we don't do a lot of we, we haven't placed, I do feel like 578 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,840 it's changing, but then we haven't placed a little focus on 579 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,240 the album and the art of an album and how the album 580 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,480 sustains, sustains an artist's career, not necessarily in terms 581 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,960 of monetary, but then sustains an artist's career in terms of 582 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,600 just what it does. So it's a very, that's my 583 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,400 opinion. I could be wrong. 584 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,120 It's a very hit driven industry and for you to stay relevant you 585 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,520 do need to be in front of people's faces with hits for the 586 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,880 most part. That might be changing a bit 587 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,640 though, but it's cool. So like for him, I do think that 588 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,800 if you had one, we've had so many situations of where I just 589 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,400 have caught one and then they have almost coasted off the one 590 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,360 that they've caught. And that's song and it's hype. 591 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,600 And then you come back after 7-8 months dropping a song and no 592 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,280 one is rocking to it. And it's it's. 593 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,320 No one cares. It's. 594 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,520 Brutal. It's absolutely brutal. 595 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,600 So it kind of needs, I get it. He kind of does needs to to 596 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,440 focus and and like now. So now he's at the point where 597 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,360 he probably could him and his team could probably like try and 598 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,639 engineer something, you know, make it look like go hit up 599 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:37,639 specific people. Our industry is still small. 600 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,320 So that can happen easier than it probably could in like the 601 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,520 West. But he needs hits. 602 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,639 I think that's what. You call it right now is yeah, 603 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:49,360 you need a couple. He's he's he's in a very, very 604 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,639 critical point in his career. And and Sam and I were talking 605 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,960 about this like you look at Wadagly is right. 606 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,920 I mean, when Uncle Kanayo came out, there's just this feeling 607 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:08,680 you get like, oh, these guys are bigger than than life like or 608 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,520 larger than life like. And. 609 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,320 The moment it feels like it's. Yeah. 610 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,320 Yeah, in the moment it feels like it'll never end, but it 611 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:24,200 does, and it happens so quickly. And and so for toxic really Cali 612 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:30,320 right now, like if I'm him, you forget about Chinji, you forget 613 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,000 about backbencher, bro, I need the next thing. 614 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,960 You know what I mean? What's the next thing I need to 615 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,960 get another one. So, and it's such a balancing 616 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,600 act because you also don't want to like, like I said earlier, 617 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,200 you don't want to over saturate yourself, but you, you do need 618 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,240 those hits to keep rolling because like Sam said, our 619 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:55,880 industry unfortunately is a very heat driven industry as opposed 620 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,600 to like a project driven industry. 621 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,880 People won't be like, oh, you created this amazing body of 622 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,160 work. Yeah, or even just. 623 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,200 The mainstream isn't going to recognize that as much. 624 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:12,120 Or even just the like artist development and all that. 625 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,600 Like we, we don't have labels like focus on that and, and, and 626 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,760 having different layers to an artist rather than just the 627 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,480 songs. We unfortunately are just 628 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,840 focusing on the songs. And so then by virtue of that, 629 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,000 it's, we're going to focus on what you do. 630 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,040 What have you done for me lately? 631 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,480 What do I like the most about you currently? 632 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,880 And that's it, That's it. It's not going to be the places 633 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,480 you appear. It's not going to be, it's not 634 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,520 going to be so much your brand, the brands you affiliate with, 635 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,040 because we're also trying to figure that out. 636 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,960 So that's something I think we could we could use is a lot of a 637 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,400 lot more teams figuring out how to go about just engineering a 638 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,960 perception for artists. That sounds terrible, honestly, 639 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,400 for especially for appearance like me. 640 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,360 But then it's definitely it's a nature. 641 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,600 But you have to do it. You have to do that you. 642 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,680 Have to do it. So, so, so if we even have like, 643 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,000 case studies, like you look at drama, he had to maybe pop off, 644 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,160 right? Yeah. 645 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,920 And, and that was a great song. But a lot of people could argue 646 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,720 that was also a very, very critical period in his life. 647 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,720 Because if he didn't deliver anything after that, then bro is 648 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:17,800 gonna struggle. You know what I mean? 649 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,000 Yeah, we'll get to go. Code for. 650 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,920 Him but that's that's not what that's not what happened they. 651 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,840 Locked in and went on one of the runs that we have seen in 652 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,200 African music of the recent past. 653 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,160 He has gone on what what a run right and it's all about that 654 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,400 it's all about even Iris star like just the decisions that you 655 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,160 start making once you have a hit definitely helps. 656 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,040 But I do think that once you have a hit, you do need to 657 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,280 create a couple of more. You can't just immediately jump 658 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,800 into the perception game because you don't have enough to drag 659 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,480 with you and the one that you have would probably wear out 660 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,960 fast. And then now you're scrambling 661 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,080 between and then now you're caught up between doing managing 662 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,120 perceptions and trying to create a hit as well. 663 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,120 So like we like you said, he definitely needs to lock in 664 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,040 whoever he locks in with. The music just has to be 665 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,560 amazing. And then you become a staple, 666 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,720 and then now you have enough to start just trying to make 667 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:11,880 yourself look a lot bigger than you are. 668 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,840 It has to be and and and so like back to the Rhema example, like 669 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,920 I said, you know, he releases that EP that had do maybe, which 670 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:27,680 is just the self-titled and then he had a bunch of like remixes 671 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,520 to the do maybe song and stuff. And I feel like that period 672 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,920 20/20, he was really he was really coasting a little bit. 673 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:37,240 He didn't really know exactly what to do. 674 00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:42,320 But then bro locked in, they created sound Gasm and I think 675 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,040 that came out 2021. That shit was another hit all 676 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:51,280 together And and and from there bro, just like bro 2022, calm 677 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,280 down. And from there, like now that's 678 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,600 like, bro, we are, we are now cooking. 679 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,160 Like whatever we do now, it's going to be crazy. 680 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,840 So for me, I look at I look at you're looking at it from do 681 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,800 maybe do maybe it's cool, but it was like a pre hit. 682 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,280 I look at I look at Rama's the what what I'm talking about. 683 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,680 I look at it from calm down and what happened from calm down. 684 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,320 The moment he got to that and just how they started, really 685 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,840 just trying to make him look like the biggest artist in the 686 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,200 world. But you could also do it from 2. 687 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,160 Maybe the thing about it is after two, maybe he kind of 688 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,320 still was trying to figure figure things out because he was 689 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,240 still very. Young yeah yeah, bro, bro was 690 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,560 bro was a bit lost. That's what I'm trying to say 691 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,240 like but but they they they did it. 692 00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:34,080 Man locking in with London making sound Gasm. 693 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,880 I believe woman also came out in that time. 694 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,520 Yeah, but but you know those those songs were they just kind 695 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,320 of felt like intermissions. They didn't really feel like the 696 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,960 thing. But he but but he figured out 697 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,320 how to like, make these songs that really stuck. 698 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,640 And then Calm Down came out. Fire and then charmed. 699 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,960 Yeah, not from. Yeah, from CALM Down came out. 700 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,040 He just just. Took off and and. 701 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,600 He took off. And then from there, like the 702 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,800 perception is crazy because now you release charm, Everybody 703 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,760 knows you're just like everything you do is just 704 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,400 beautiful. It's just a hit. 705 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,680 Everyone is asking for you to be on remixes. 706 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,520 He goes on the Soweto remix in 2023. 707 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,240 Blows he. Completely elevated that song 708 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,680 And and and and we're like and we're like that song is already 709 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,720 a hit. How can it get any better with 710 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,600 Rama made made it better, you know what I mean? 711 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,920 And so now post 2023, Rama is at a point where he can do whatever 712 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,680 he wants. And now we we have seen him do 713 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,520 things like the Ravage EP things like he is like now he's just 714 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,680 like branching out. So, so just looking at Rama as a 715 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:46,120 case study, right? You'd, you'd consistently need 716 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,840 that one song that's that's a hit in the beginning. 717 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,120 Like every year, every year you need to get that song that 718 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,960 really drives the narrative and then put together those small 719 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,560 projects like after like 3 years, you need to be relevant. 720 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,840 You need to be relevant because of the hit. 721 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,200 It's a relevance game. And then from yeah. 722 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:14,840 And so, like, you see, if Toxic Ricali has a 2026 that's quiet, 723 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,960 yeah, you know, then that's that's that, you know what I 724 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,520 mean? But right now, he's on the good. 725 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,040 He's on a good trajectory. I mean, we've seen Conscience 726 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,960 wants to hop on the on the remix for for backbencher. 727 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,640 That's big. That's, that's cool. 728 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,160 Yeah. Yeah. 729 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,560 I mean, conscious is such a big study. 730 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,240 Gala bubble conscience, man, Gala bubble conscience sound. 731 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,880 That song. Bubble gal bro bro, I remember, 732 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,320 I remember being in in in high school watching that video. 733 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,480 Oh no, I can't. My eyes, My eyes are opening to 734 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,040 all the possibilities of life. That was ratchet music. 735 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,320 Ratchet peak. That was Ratchet peak right 736 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,400 there. That was crazy. 737 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,000 But conscious, I mean, conscious seems to be doing that a lot 738 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,360 now. Whenever Kenya song pops, he 739 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,640 jumps on it. He did that with Angela. 740 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,120 Now he's trying. To jump with Angela as well. 741 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,280 Yeah, anyway, hey, we'll take it. 742 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,480 So they'll take it. Maybe there's? 743 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:09,760 No, we'll take it. We'll take it. 744 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,720 So so another artist who is struggling is Dana Chords, 745 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,760 because last year was her year together. 746 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,440 It was Douglas. OK, I wouldn't say she's 747 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,840 struggling. It's not a hot hot she's. 748 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,520 Not when she had that. She's. 749 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,040 Yeah, the temperature has definitely cooled off on that. 750 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,520 But. And, you know, the things we're 751 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,880 saying are not easy to do though, you know, like was right 752 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,760 now we're on the podcast saying as though making a hit is an 753 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,120 easy thing to do. It's not. 754 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,200 Oh, yeah. But we're just kind of. 755 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,160 Telling you I'm which? What's the? 756 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,880 Because no one. Yeah, that is. 757 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,760 Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that's correct. 758 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,800 That's correct. Assist us What is it? 759 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,680 Yeah, or backsit, backsit drivers. 760 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,680 Yeah, we're being back bench, back, back bench drivers, man. 761 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:58,720 Than your podcast. Yeah. 762 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:04,560 So I don't know, like you said, I, I guess Parotti has a has a 763 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,640 point in that sense about how cold an artist can get. 764 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,960 Especially bro, Kenyan music fans are so fickle. 765 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:20,080 Oh my God, people will move on from you in a heartbeat unless 766 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,400 you've attained a certain level. And this is something we're 767 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,600 talking about with some earlier. You see somebody like BN I think 768 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,440 will always get like acclaim, even if he goes quiet for a 769 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,280 while. People like Nikita caring. 770 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,920 I think even Nikita caring, you know, she's quiet. 771 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,640 But like, I think we personally, I think if she releases music, 772 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,520 she'll still get a lot of like motion. 773 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,760 But not everybody has those exceptions. 774 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,240 I feel like those exceptions are only like such few. 775 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,040 Artists who does that have to do with genre or is what does that 776 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,840 have to do with? It has to do with them not 777 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:04,640 having as much competition as the rest of the field. 778 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:08,240 Like there's nobody who I, I don't, in my opinion, I don't 779 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:12,040 think there's anybody who can replace what BN is doing 780 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,240 currently. You know what I mean, at the 781 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:20,120 level that he's doing it. And so if BN leaves, as much as 782 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,000 there will be a vacuum, there's not really anybody to feel that 783 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,320 space, you know what I mean? So when so whenever he decides 784 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,120 to come back, that. Everyone, the people who are 785 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,960 waiting for him, the people who were his fans either. 786 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,520 Whereas in other industries, the moment you leave someone, 787 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,240 someone steps in there and they they take a chunk of the people 788 00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:43,840 who are following. Immediately. 789 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,560 Completely switch up that makes sense immediately. 790 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:47,720 That makes. Sense immediately. 791 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,080 And So what Sam and I are saying is like, so so Kenya does have a 792 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,840 lot of artists, but we're talking about like that cream at 793 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,400 the top where like there's not as much competition for these 794 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,880 sports. And down in the in the like the 795 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,200 lower levels, Oh, there's hella competition. 796 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,080 Like if, for example, if what under Willie start to slack, 797 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,920 they can be replaced very easily. 798 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,000 If Keithan and Quinotti start to slack, those guys can be 799 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,760 replaced very easily. And I know that sounds like 800 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,960 brutal to say, but it's true. Like people want those sports 801 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,920 and they're willing to work their way to get there. 802 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,360 So, so for for for people who are like still in that like come 803 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,960 up region, they still. Need to they still there's more 804 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,400 people around yeah, there's more people around, but then once 805 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,120 once you elevate and you go higher now the you you gain like 806 00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:41,800 God status and it's just like. I guess. 807 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,880 Oh, that was the wrong term, small G. 808 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:46,800 No, no, no, no. Yeah. 809 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,000 Small G, small G, small GI should. 810 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,680 Have said that no, yeah, it definitely makes sense. 811 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:53,960 That's actually pretty interesting. 812 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,000 We don't have at the top. Maybe that's why we also 813 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,520 struggling with some of the older acts because there's just 814 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,080 still there has been no one to replace them in terms of doing 815 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,160 what they have done. So we're still kind of stuck and 816 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,440 Oh my God. So this, this, this brings me to 817 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:09,960 this. This happened a while ago. 818 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,440 Yo you guys need to leave nonini alone bro. 819 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,160 I don't know if he saw he gets to leave nonini alone. 820 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,440 Bro was just like he's like it's like Will Smith recently. 821 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,200 I didn't even saw the Will Smith freestyle like they're just 822 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:25,640 trying bro bro. Bro bro those freestyle who was 823 00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:28,360 Will Smith saying what did he even take the? 824 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,160 Cornea, I think I pulled the pin out of the grenade. 825 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,520 And what did you say? I pulled the green, the pin out 826 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,600 of the green, threw it a bit off, more than I could chew, and 827 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,560 I chewed it OK. Oh brilliant. 828 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,440 You sound so old. He did sound. 829 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,360 He did sound, but then he did sound like he was he was. 830 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,000 It sounded that flow was a little bit aged. 831 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,120 Listen Nanini if you need some beats bro. 832 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,720 Like Afam. Afam is really ready to lock in 833 00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:59,720 with. A quick turn back. 834 00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:06,240 Well, I don't have the bandwidth, the mental bandwidth. 835 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,360 No, man. So there's there's not a lot of 836 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,840 people who can do what he's done. 837 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,280 And then there's Kiroro, all of them. 838 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,920 Like that's that that move has not been replaced or there's not 839 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,640 many people who can do that. So then you have artists who are 840 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,960 just they've not, they don't have the incentive to be false. 841 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:26,600 That's problematic. Yeah. 842 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:31,240 We, we need to be developing artists to be, you know, 843 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:37,200 initially I, I, I, I actually, what I want to say is we need to 844 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:44,000 build artists in so that they're so good that they, they can or 845 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,640 they have the potential to surpass the artists who came 846 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:52,560 before them. We need, we need an industry 847 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,320 that's actively doing that because I think that's going to 848 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,640 be very, very healthy. We don't want to get to a point 849 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:04,000 where the, we build an artist to the top and then they stayed 850 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,400 there for 30 years. We do not want that because 851 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,520 that's going to limit the industry. 852 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:16,360 That's why I'm really insistent. I, I, I really want Kenya to 853 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,720 have an artist who's 20 between the ages of 2024. 854 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:25,560 Like let's say they they pop out now out of the woodwork and by 855 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:30,440 the year 2029, their BN level almost even support surpassing 856 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,680 BN and even BN is like, you know, this kid is like, you 857 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,280 know, like Rama, like how Rama right now. 858 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,360 I think you would arguably say Rama is way bigger than whiskey 859 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,160 than. Oh yeah, now definitely more 860 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,240 relevant, yeah. Yeah, now you could say that, 861 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,720 you know what I mean? I think Banner boy is still like 862 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:50,040 really, really doing those things. 863 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,600 But like whiskey than David have kind of like you know what I 864 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,160 mean? But you see that industry have 865 00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:00,240 allowed for oh, they allow for a new new blood to get to those 866 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:01,400 levels. Yeah, that's what we need. 867 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,800 And what that's what, yeah. And what would be even better is 868 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,320 if you have is if you have two 3/4 of those going at the same 869 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,680 time, really trying to that just elevates the music. 870 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,120 Oh, perfect, perfect. And then like like Nigeria, 871 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,440 that's what they have with Ira Star and Thames and Rama, like 872 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,120 as like the new blood. And then there's people coming 873 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,280 up with love with Kinashe vibes and all those guys. 874 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,600 Hungry bro, ready to take those spots we don't be having no 875 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,320 hungry food. Hungry food. 876 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,160 Did you see? Did you see? 877 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:38,880 That's that's cloud maxing. That was no, that was accent 878 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,160 maxing is what he was doing. That was accent maxing. 879 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,160 You grew up in you grew up in Benin. 880 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,200 Like you don't granola, you know? 881 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,320 Yeah, yeah, type, type because like, what do? 882 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,880 You think bro, the memes? No, the memes on TikTok were 883 00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:00,040 hilarious. Yeah, anyway, I well, that has 884 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,040 been our conversation about toxic really Cali and them. 885 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,720 So let's see, let's see how his his career plays out. 886 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,960 Yeah, just just real quick, some more progress last Last week 887 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,560 we're talking about charts, this week we're talking about charts 888 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,720 a little bit, but then Shazam. So a whole bunch of African 889 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:19,360 artists recently have been shining on the Shazam chart, 890 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,000 which is cool, which means more Shazam. 891 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:26,680 I don't look at Shazam like like other charts because Shazam is 892 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,120 not necessarily a music listening platform. 893 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,240 It's more of like a music discovery platform. 894 00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:32,520 So it tells us something different. 895 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,960 But yeah, more recently, more artists, African artists have 896 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:43,680 been shining on the Shazam global Charts and I think 897 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,400 recently 12 songs, African songs reached the top 10 on My Lady 898 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,320 video on the faceless Serotonin Venus, which is really where's 899 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,800 Serotonin goes. Serotonin is doing that thing 900 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,200 where he dropped a really fast song and then he's just 901 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,760 disappeared. He feels like he's from Ocean. 902 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,400 Show Me Love is the MC Shake It to the Max that I think that 903 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,240 might have been the number one. I think it's actually, if I look 904 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:10,080 at the charts, Shake It to the Max is number 3 still and all of 905 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,320 the other songs have sort of dropped off. 906 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:16,200 Shout out, shout out, shout out to Molly, but I, I will be okay 907 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,320 in my life. If you never heard those, those 908 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,480 terms, those words. But I love, I love Molly in that 909 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,520 sequence. Please. 910 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,400 Yeah, even in different sequences. 911 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,440 I don't want to hear Max to the Sheikh. 912 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Reordered anything? 913 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,160 But shout out to you Molly, I love your music. 914 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,240 But yeah. So, yeah, I mean Laho is on 915 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:38,280 there of course that it had a really big. 916 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,560 They call me Charlie Popi. Sorry. 917 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,520 Yeah. So it's, I mean, it's very small 918 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,000 news, but it's pretty cool. So it's, I mean, the fact that 919 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,880 people, the songs that have been discovered, it's, it's almost 920 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,880 like, it feels, it feels like there's been a really big push 921 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,880 for African music. And then now you're starting to 922 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,520 see like residual effects of this residual effects of, of 923 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,840 what has been happening, which will be this way. 924 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,960 Now more people are trying to say some African songs like it's 925 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,560 not going to come immediately, but then they want to hear that 926 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,320 and, and their ears are packed up. 927 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,720 So that's just really cool, man. And it's it's. 928 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:18,800 It's not, it's not, it's not small news, it's actually big 929 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,560 news. So like, like I said, like you 930 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,440 said, sorry, the the residual effects are beginning to show. 931 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,280 I think though, this is a very strategic thing for the industry 932 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,800 to start doing or that's why they're doing it. 933 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,880 We also reported recently on them starting the Billboard 934 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,040 Africa. There's like, like we said, 935 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:46,680 there's no coincidence why these things are happening now. 936 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,280 You know, we've always been talking about how streaming is 937 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,240 dying and Africa is the new frontier and they're going to 938 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:58,160 really start looking at Africa if they want to maintain the 939 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,680 growth in within the industry. You know what I mean? 940 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,920 The the only reason why African songs are more findable on 941 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:12,320 Shazam is because streaming is more accessible to Africans now. 942 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,440 Yeah, OK. That's a good point. 943 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,880 That is a good point. You know that is a good point. 944 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,080 So there's, there's just the capacity and the availability 945 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,520 and the ability to is just there now. 946 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,120 Exactly. And they are making that ability 947 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:32,360 and the capacity available to Africans because they need, they 948 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:37,360 need the African continent to start really generating money 949 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,280 for them. Now, how do I feel about that? 950 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,360 I have my qualms. But it's one of those things 951 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,920 where like African, the African industry will benefit even if 952 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:55,160 the intention is a little bit like, you know, I don't know, 953 00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:02,160 it's like, it's like when you, when you, when you left, Well, 954 00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:05,880 you know, back in the day when you, you guys used to pick kids 955 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,240 to play, to be in your team, to play football. 956 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,000 And then now it's the last kid who looks like really scrawny 957 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,960 and stuff. But then he ends up being like 958 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,040 the top scorer in your team and you're like, Oh my God, like but 959 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,800 nobody really wanted him like when they were picking. 960 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,440 So next time, next time you, next time they pick him first. 961 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,760 Yeah, Leave me off. That's how I don't pick me. 962 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,640 I don't want to be on your team. Anyone who picks me first? 963 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,520 No, I don't, so not playing, so that's. 964 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,880 How I feel, I feel like, I feel like y'all are now like picking 965 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:40,960 us last because you thought that y'all stuff was way better, but 966 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,680 now you're realizing Oh no, Africa is actually where it's 967 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,640 at. So there's that pride and that 968 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,680 stubbornness. But also you're like, oh man, it 969 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,000 feels very. Lucky, but also, yeah. 970 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,480 But also I feel like, OK, this is going to benefit the African 971 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,640 continent anyway. So like I, I need to put that 972 00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,160 pride aside. Do you think so? 973 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,840 Do you think the rumours of that the music industry is largely 974 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,160 moving away from the African sound are true? 975 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,480 I've seen that a lot of places. I wish I could give you sources, 976 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,560 but then I've seen that a whole bunch of people talking about 977 00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,720 that, that the industry started to move into something else or 978 00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:16,920 rather the gearing either gearing up or they've started 979 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,880 put it in place. I. 980 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,680 Don't, I probably would say. It's just this is just a rumour 981 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,520 and I guess I'm just trying to figure out how things feel like 982 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,240 it could be true. So what I would what I would say 983 00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:31,000 is happening from my observation is we went through a period 984 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:36,360 where artists were actively trying to replicate and use 985 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:46,000 Afrobeats or African themes in their songs to kind of mix that 986 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,880 in, you know, like Drake or Beyoncé. 987 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,320 Like they were really trying to use all those themes to kind of 988 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,480 like, you know, elevate their music and make them seem like 989 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,600 they're tapped into the African blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, 990 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,560 blah, blah, all that stuff. And that has really stopped. 991 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,800 That has really stopped. But I think right now we're in 992 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:08,400 the era where, yes, the mainstream, the mainstream 993 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:14,240 industry isn't trying to make like the Western artists hop on 994 00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:17,120 this sound as much. What they're doing though, is 995 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,400 trying to build up African artists to be more authentic. 996 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,760 Because I think, because I think, I think, I think the 997 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:31,320 general fanbase is over hearing all these artists try and sound 998 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,320 African. I think right now more people 999 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,880 are like, no, no, no, no, no, exactly. 1000 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:42,320 Right now we we just want to see Ira Star do this because she's 1001 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,240 authentic at it. So I think the industry is 1002 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:49,920 shifting to, to, to, to upholding these artists, so 1003 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,640 raising these artists up as opposed to that. 1004 00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:56,640 But I think the African sound is still, I think it's still, it's 1005 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:57,560 here to. Stay. 1006 00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,440 I think it's still prominent for a little bit longer. 1007 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,200 I think so. I think so. 1008 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,280 You know the era that I miss kind of. 1009 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,400 I do miss the EDM. When all artists were hopping on 1010 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,880 EDM beats like Ke$ha Kim, Nicki Minaj. 1011 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,440 I kind of miss that time. What is his name? 1012 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,000 Flo Rider. Like bro, it was a bit of a 1013 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,880 happy time. What were their names? 1014 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,800 Paddy Rockers. What are? 1015 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,720 Their names absolutely dissolved into obscurity. 1016 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:38,240 Obscurity man. But them like bro, I missed that 1017 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,040 period. It was such a happy period. 1018 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,080 I feel like all the songs are so happy. 1019 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:47,000 And like it was fun parties now things centered things feel very 1020 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:51,000 oh by LMFAO called LMFAO Oh my goodness. 1021 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,280 Do you remember those guys Oh man yeah we do miss that but 1022 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,040 don't worry, don't worry give it a couple of years it's good to 1023 00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,360 come come right back. Don't. 1024 00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,720 It's just. It's good to circle right back. 1025 00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,040 Don't worry. Just. 1026 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,480 It always does. It is alright, man. 1027 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,840 Do you want to talk about new music? 1028 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,920 Let's do it. Let me let. 1029 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:15,840 Me start let me start because I feel like you have low key 1030 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:22,080 listen to more music than be. So the long-awaited EP from 1031 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,080 Butchers finally came out. Vaite was it? 1032 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,440 Long-awaited. OK, not long-awaited, but it was 1033 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,400 highly anticipated. Short, short awaited. 1034 00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he finally dropped that. 1035 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:39,240 He also dropped a video to the song with Lil Minor and bro. 1036 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,000 I was digging the I was digging the video, man, the video was 1037 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,280 really, really good. So shout out to them. 1038 00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,360 They really put together a solid video. 1039 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:54,320 The project was interesting. I think like the song with Sarah 1040 00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,720 was nice. I liked seeing Kay Green. 1041 00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,160 I liked seeing Kay Green in the intro because Kay Green has 1042 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:04,520 always been a big one of the biggest names in the Shrap game. 1043 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:10,120 And it's good to see Ultra still working with with the ones, 1044 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,120 yeah, just working with his day one. 1045 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,600 So it was really nice. I did feel a little bit of a 1046 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,280 disconnect in terms of how the the the project kind of went 1047 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,880 from from from that sound and then. 1048 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,640 To the to the yeah, especially the last, the last two joints, 1049 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,760 they're very rage. Yeah, the last two joints just 1050 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,200 kind of felt like tacked onto the project. 1051 00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,520 I don't know if they really like to me didn't feel like they 1052 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:42,960 really fit in that project. Yeah, that being said, I do like 1053 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,000 left right. I do like the song with little 1054 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,520 minor. The song with Saru was also was 1055 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,000 also doing so. I like I like Kyon just put for 1056 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,200 sorry, I sorry, sorry for interpreting. 1057 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,400 Yeah, that's what I like. I like what Lil minor is is 1058 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,040 doing Lil minor is he? I don't know is it just me, but 1059 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,240 he's bringing back in terms of his hooks. 1060 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,640 He's just bringing back like a nostalgic feeling with how he 1061 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,880 writes, his hooks and his singing everything and his 1062 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,880 harmonies and melodies like it just it reminds me of the. 1063 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,760 2000s, twenty 10s, I suppose, maybe probably more than 20 tens 1064 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:16,480 Kyon music. So I don't know whether he's 1065 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,880 doing that on purpose or he's he's just, but it just sounds 1066 01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,400 good to me. Definitely. 1067 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,440 It's definitely intentional. It's definitely intentional. 1068 01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,600 Lil Minor is one of the biggest names in terms of the abundant 1069 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,880 scene, in terms of relying on nostalgia to kind of create this 1070 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,080 new feeling that they're trying to create. 1071 01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,760 So yeah, shout out to to Lil Minor. 1072 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,400 They're they're they're doing a good job over there. 1073 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,920 So yeah, man. OK, so yeah, I listened to 1074 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:52,840 Vaite. I also listened to Creaky by 1075 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,800 X-ray Little minor again and Dovuku. 1076 01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,280 They released a video to that, so shout out to them. 1077 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:05,400 I also listened to ask those by Dovuku again. 1078 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:12,560 Furthermore, Fena Harry Crazen, I foolish my pensi Kama Visu by 1079 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,960 M Rumbi and Shaker that that was also really dope. 1080 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:24,760 I I believe. Oh yeah, I also listen to what 1081 01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,560 else do I listen to? Oh yeah, Abadi by Papa and 1082 01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:33,800 Andrew Ace shout out to Papa as always. 1083 01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,200 How about you, Sam? Yeah, the colour projects 1084 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:46,560 breeder dropped in Dogolu and a a a quick 23 minute listen. 1085 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,800 Well, well 7 songs 23 minutes seems like really long these 1086 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:56,640 days. 7 songs tend pretend to be under 20. 1087 01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,480 But yeah, that was cool. He dropped the single with 1088 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,200 Bianna while back. OK, the Max is on there. 1089 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:07,840 What in the wheelie Dana chords? And yeah, that was, I mean, that 1090 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,560 was interesting. It's kind of kind of what you 1091 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,280 would expect. Fadili Itulia and Iborian 1092 01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,640 released Killasiku. That was an interesting 1. 1093 01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,520 Lucky the Great and for Mr. Frank White, who we obviously 1094 01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,960 love on this podcast, released Airplane Mode. 1095 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:31,000 So that was really cool as well. How do you start out on Dunda? 1096 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,200 Dunda is an EDM electronic producer. 1097 01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,560 EDM. We need, we need a term. 1098 01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:41,040 We need a term for EDM producers that originate from Africa. 1099 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,160 I mean, fine, we can call them EDM producers, but I just feel 1100 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:44,360 like there needs to be a new term for that. 1101 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,440 But. Yeah, here's an idea. 1102 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:52,960 We can just call them producers. You're on to something. 1103 01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:55,600 You're on to something. That's a great idea. 1104 01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,680 Idea Maxing he he really is fall down. 1105 01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:01,560 Stop. Stop. 1106 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,360 Please stop. I'm just gonna start throwing 1107 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,280 maxing at the end of everything now, especially. 1108 01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,080 No, you just keep on Max. You're bro, you're Max smogging 1109 01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:12,680 me right now. Max Max. 1110 01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,360 Yeah, you're Max maxing right now. 1111 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,960 This is such a naughty podcast. Oh my goodness. 1112 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,200 We apologize, but also thank you for listening. 1113 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:22,920 We appreciate. You sorry for not maxing. 1114 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,120 You guys sorry for not maxing. Dunda, Dunda, listen, this fall 1115 01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,000 down he's released a couple of like just joints that I've 1116 01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,760 absolutely loved. So it's good to see him keep 1117 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,960 releasing Mao from nowhere and he he is it he or hi? 1118 01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,880 I don't know how to pronounce that release pressure with a 1119 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,560 bunch of artists on there. Go check that out. 1120 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,360 Yeah, that was just a couple of other people released. 1121 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:46,360 Somebody be the artist. August 4, Mudoka and Sunset kind 1122 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,560 of have like a similar sound released. 1123 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:50,840 So that's the thing. We'll check that out. 1124 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,400 That that might have been all I checked. 1125 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:58,520 I checked out this week. I do need to go in and, you 1126 01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,120 know, pay more attention to other people's. 1127 01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:05,080 But yeah, that was that new. What are we playing? 1128 01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:06,320 What's our What's our pick of the week? 1129 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:13,800 Yes, Sir, the pick of the week would have to go to Blinky Bill 1130 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,640 and Lisa Odor Noah with the song Bella. 1131 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,040 So funny thing happened where you know, before the podcast I 1132 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:26,000 was I was like I wasn't so I listened to this song and I was 1133 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,400 just passive listening to it and I didn't know I didn't know how 1134 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,480 I felt about it. So I was just telling some I 1135 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,000 don't know. I don't know if it's the song 1136 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,840 that I want to play at the end of the podcast, but then I was, 1137 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,120 I was like, you know what? Let me listen to this thing 1138 01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:46,200 again and the hook and some, no, some categorically said, listen 1139 01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,960 to that intro and tell me that's not a good intro. 1140 01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,840 So I sat down and I listened to it and I was like, you know 1141 01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:52,840 what? Absolutely this. 1142 01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,480 Is actually. Great. 1143 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,120 Yeah, this is actually great. So yeah, man, no, no, this is 1144 01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:03,440 actually a really good song and it's very, very catchy because I 1145 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:08,640 just kept on singing the hook in my head and out loud, to be 1146 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,160 honest. So shout out to Blinky Bill and 1147 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:13,960 Lisa Odor. They really put together a good 1148 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,880 song. And we are going to play the 1149 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:21,000 song Bella for the end of the podcast. 1150 01:05:52,800 --> 01:07:07,200 Feel it every day. The. 1151 01:08:05,160 --> 01:09:04,920 The. None. 1152 01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:19,319 That was Bella by Blinky Bill and Lisa Odour Noah so shout out 1153 01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:21,479 to both of them. That's becoming a really good 1154 01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,439 pairing too, because on Blinky's project there is a really good 1155 01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,520 it is. It's becoming a really good 1156 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,000 pairing. Maybe an EP in the works, who 1157 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:35,399 knows who. Knows man thank you guys so much 1158 01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:39,439 for listening to this podcast as always, we created this podcast 1159 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:44,359 to uplift the Kenyan industry to highlight Kenyan music because 1160 01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:47,840 we believe that Kenyan artists deserve to be played more and 1161 01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:54,680 paid more and also I don't know what I wanted to say after that 1162 01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,440 but. Oh boy, there we go. 1163 01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,440 Listen, we've been having really great conversations and then the 1164 01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:01,320 podcast just falls apart in the outro. 1165 01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:05,800 Let's just because we're trying. To do No, no, OK, OK, OK, OK OK 1166 01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:06,720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. 1167 01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:07,720 Watch me, watch me. Watch me. 1168 01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:08,440 Watch me. Watch me now. 1169 01:10:08,440 --> 01:10:10,600 Watch me whip a nanny. Go watch me whip a nanny now 1170 01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,680 yeah, yeah. I, I listen, listen, listen, 1171 01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:16,160 listen. If you're new to this podcast, 1172 01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,440 you might not know, but I use usually like to end the podcast 1173 01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:22,720 on the three C's, which which is a mantra that I devised for 1174 01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:26,560 myself because I'm not perfect and I'm trying to work on myself 1175 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,440 as a creative. Number one, confidence. 1176 01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:31,520 Always be confident in your music, in your art, because 1177 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,200 that's what people are going to experience first when they 1178 01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,960 interface with your music or your art. 1179 01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:41,840 Confidence is key #2 consistency. 1180 01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,720 I said confidence is key, but so is consistency. 1181 01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,200 If you're not consistent, you are going to be forgotten. 1182 01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:53,520 Your art is going to be buried under the deluge of creations of 1183 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:58,040 today's, you know, era where there's also AI that you're 1184 01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:02,400 competing with. So always be consistent and #3 1185 01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,400 craft. Always work on your craft. 1186 01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:09,480 If you only have 5 minutes to spare, use those 5 minutes to 1187 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:15,080 advance yourself in your chosen craft because those 5 minutes 1188 01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:18,760 add up at the end of the year. You could learn something so 1189 01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,520 vital or pivotal to your career in those 5 minutes. 1190 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,920 That just kind of changes everything for you. 1191 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:33,200 And with that guys, I like I said, thank you for listening to 1192 01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,440 this podcast. Sam, would you want to say 1193 01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:39,320 anything to your adoring listeners for for to end the 1194 01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:44,080 podcast? Yeah, yeah, there's, there's, 1195 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,680 there's a saying from like Proverbs, the book in the Bible, 1196 01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,920 Proverbs, which kind of like I read this week, it just kind of 1197 01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,600 slapped me in the face. And it's so simple. 1198 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,960 It's Proverbs 2213 and it says the lazy man says there's a lie 1199 01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:57,800 on outside. Wait, but what if there was a 1200 01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:58,800 lie? OK, OK, sorry. 1201 01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:02,360 Let me hear the let. Me hear the, the, the whole 1202 01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,000 thing is the, the, the lazy man says there's a lion outside. 1203 01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,600 So just paraphrasing, there's a lion outside. 1204 01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,960 I like I'll I'll be killed. I'll be killed in the streets. 1205 01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:16,480 And I mean, think about it. There's double meaning to that. 1206 01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,920 So it's like, all right, like your fears, the fears you have 1207 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,920 are imagined, first of all. And so you're just going to stay 1208 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,280 in bed and not go out because you imagine a lion outside. 1209 01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,600 What if there's no lion? So for me that just kind of slap 1210 01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,560 me like sometimes, sometimes, sometimes we're afraid of 1211 01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:35,000 progressing and going further and starting things because of 1212 01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:39,800 the just a fear of what's outside and what's to come. 1213 01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,840 But I guess in this, in this, in this, what do you call it? 1214 01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,200 It's in this sense it's looked at as it's still laziness. 1215 01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,640 So just go out and get it. Basically what I'm trying to say 1216 01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,720 is go out and get it. Do what you need to do to. 1217 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,320 Be who you. Want to be and yeah. 1218 01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,440 And what I'm getting from that is, like, even if there is 1219 01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:04,720 indeed a lion outside, pointing out the problem doesn't help. 1220 01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,000 Absolutely. It's better to point out the 1221 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,560 solution. You know what I mean? 1222 01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,640 Like, fine, there's a lion outside. 1223 01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:12,240 What are we going to do about it? 1224 01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:13,960 I like it. I like it. 1225 01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:22,080 Those pithy words from Sam. We'll see you guys on Episode 1226 01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,880 143. 43.