1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,880 As if I'm a new artist, number one. 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:08,000 My biggest concern as an artist would be to create leverage as 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,080 the music industry. As the music industry shifts and 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,840 evolves, you have to find pockets that are real. 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:20,280 Like like for example, if you really curate your fan base and 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,120 like Ross, Ross is the other example. 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,920 Whenever Russ steps out he pulls like 10,020 thousand people, 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,440 30,000 people for his shows and he makes enough money for that. 9 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:29,880 What's up guys? And welcome to episode 107 of 10 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:37,280 the 30% Podcast, the show where 2 music producers take on the 11 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,520 Kenyan music industry, give you our opinions on music from the 12 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,240 week and then top it off by trying to be wise at the end. 13 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,840 I go by Alpha Bethena, my Co host goes by Sam Arrange the 14 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:57,120 Dyer and together we are the 30% Pod Boys. 15 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:02,080 Sam, what's up? What's up? 16 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,360 What's going? On Sam I. 17 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:07,800 Don't know what you're what you're doing. 18 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,960 The intro. I'm doing an intro. 19 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,520 Sherman have a blast. That's. 20 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,040 How are you, Sam? The people want to know what is 21 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,880 some feeling in the moment. You speak for the people I am 22 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:27,920 feeling. I, I, how am I feeling? 23 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:29,960 I don't know. I'm all right. 24 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,120 Are you feeling? Are you feeling irey? 25 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:38,240 I'm guessing irey is is a fancy way of saying all right. 26 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,880 I think so it. Sounds like doesn't it just 27 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,120 sounds like. Sam, are you feeling? 28 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,840 Are you OK? Sam, what's happening? 29 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,920 You're skirting around this question like I'm beginning to 30 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:53,000 be worried. I'm good. 31 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,160 OK. You're fine. 32 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:55,480 OK. That's good. 33 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:56,440 That's good. This. 34 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,440 This. I just this part is always so 35 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,680 awkward. Are you asking me Why Are you 36 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,120 asking me how I'm doing? Because it's you see, The thing 37 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,160 is, it's not about me, because I know you're doing fine, but it's 38 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,640 about the people. The people want to know how is 39 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:12,320 Sam doing they. Don't want to hear what I'm 40 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,360 talking about is how my how is my do they don't care about my 41 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,320 health. Yes, yes, they do. 42 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,360 Why you just excuse me, shambles. 43 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:21,920 That's what they care. No, no, no. 44 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:24,040 Why? Why are you putting mouth mouths 45 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,520 in their words? Why are you putting words in 46 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,920 their mouth? Some. 47 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,560 Oh man, anyway, putting words in their ears. 48 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:38,560 I shall ask myself how I'm doing, which unless you want to 49 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,440 ask me how I'm doing. Yo, man. 50 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:46,760 Oh, this is crazy. OK, All right, Afam, how are you 51 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:47,880 doing? How is your health? 52 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,440 How's your mental? How's your family, you know? 53 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,360 Thank you. So thank you so much for asking. 54 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,240 I think that's very, very consider considerate of you. 55 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,160 And I would say I am doing fine. I'm doing OK. 56 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,200 You know, my health is fine. I'm doing fine. 57 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:12,240 Have this week was a blur. Yeah, nothing too crazy to 58 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,800 report on. Like on my end, I can just say I 59 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,800 am living. I am living life. 60 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:25,160 Living life. Yes, I'm living life, Sam. 61 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:32,800 So what's going on? I feel like listen guys, this is 62 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,880 a music industry podcast and yes, we do focus on Kenyan music 63 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,240 industry news. That's always number one. 64 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:47,560 But sometimes in the the music industry environment, in the 65 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:52,600 music industry universe, things happen which just kind of break 66 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,520 boundaries and have to be talked about because ultimately they 67 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:03,000 could potentially affect the music industry as a whole, even 68 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:09,200 if they didn't necessarily occur in your localized music industry 69 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,920 space. And what I am alluding to is the 70 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:18,200 bombastic bombshell. Like it was provocative. 71 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,720 It was everybody was in the meltdown. 72 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,840 Like, Oh my God, he actually sued UMG. 73 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:29,640 And by he, I mean Jake Sam. What? 74 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,680 What? Where were you when it happened? 75 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,560 You know how like, you know how like when something significant 76 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,400 in the world happens and then somebody's like, where were you 77 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,240 when it happened? Oh bro. 78 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:46,760 OK, OK. To be serious, how did you like? 79 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:47,280 No. Yeah. 80 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:48,360 So or should I? OK. 81 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,440 No, it's cool. I mean, let me let. 82 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:51,600 Me. OK, go ahead. 83 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,680 Let's continue. UMGUMG and district First of 84 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,640 all, let's start by saying this is just not great timing from 85 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:05,080 Drake, but anyhow, it's he chose the most disastrous PR time to 86 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,640 possibly and it's not a suit. Let's start there. 87 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,000 At least from what we're here, it's a. 88 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,720 Pre, it's a pre trial. Yeah, it's a petition. 89 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,000 Yeah, it's a petition. So essentially what what it is 90 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,520 is Drake is Drake Drake. I mean, there are many ways to 91 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,000 spin it, but then Drake is basically saying, hey guys, I 92 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,360 smell, I smell a rat. I smell something fishy here. 93 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:31,240 However, I don't have all the evidence to properly throw in 94 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,280 like an actual suit. So I want the courts to compel 95 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:39,520 y'all to tell UMG to show us the documents and show us, you know, 96 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,320 all the to show us the receipts so that now I can. 97 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,640 Yeah. So now I can properly sue you. 98 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,080 So that's essentially what it is. 99 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,720 It's not necessarily a suit. Both of them, actually the 100 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:51,960 except. Wait, so he dropped two. 101 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,240 There's the first one to UMG and then there's the second. 1, 102 00:06:56,280 --> 00:06:59,920 they're both to EMG, but the first one, I believe he filed it 103 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:01,520 in New York. The second one, I believe he 104 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,480 filed it in Texas. I don't know what the 105 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:09,000 significance of doing that is. Yeah, I think the second one, 106 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,120 like the second one is more about payola and how they've 107 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:18,840 been paying like entities like iHeartRadio to like inflate the 108 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,320 song and all that type of stuff. The first one was more really 109 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:28,480 about how they've been using bots and artificially inflating 110 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:34,440 the song and like people saying, Hey Siri, play me this song and 111 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,520 then all of a sudden Not like Us is playing. 112 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,600 Oh my gosh, I said, Hey, Siri on my phone, bro, please stop. 113 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:45,440 Anyway, So yeah, that's, that's essentially what I gather. 114 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,920 So for the first suit, essentially like the reason why 115 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,800 this is very, very important is he has a few claims here that 116 00:07:53,800 --> 00:08:00,400 are crazy. 1 is that Spotify were or rather Spotify and UMG 117 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,640 came to the conclusion that they would reduce the licensing for 118 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:10,560 the track, not like us by 30%. And therefore Spotify would be 119 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,960 happy, very happy, because now they, they're paying 30% less 120 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,320 than they usually pay for music to stream it and upstream it and 121 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,680 put it everywhere on their platform so that it does better 122 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,920 than it, it should. Now, Sam, are you surprised by 123 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:30,240 this, that these entities with so much integrity there, some 124 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,159 like they, they are like they, they are, they are. 125 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:38,520 What do you call them? They uphold every penis. 126 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,080 The highest of moral standards. Exactly. 127 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,200 Are you surprised that this is happening? 128 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,440 In the industry said some nonsense What did they say in 129 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,760 their their response to the suit they said that they they could 130 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,120 never engage in in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 131 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,280 That was hilarious. I actually think that was 132 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:58,520 hilarious. That's like a joke. 133 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,040 Let's comedy talk about we could never engage. 134 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,880 So all right, so here's the thing. 135 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,440 Now, now this gets this gets polarizing there. 136 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,280 OK, The the reason that this whole thing is very polarizing 137 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,280 is just because of what it's coming off. 138 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,600 It's coming off of beef that everyone thinks Drake lost. 139 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:16,040 I. Think so. 140 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,040 He definitely lost. I think it's the prevailing 141 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,760 agreement. That he lost yeah, well, no, go 142 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:22,800 ahead. There's some there's some of 143 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,600 your of your fans on Twitter who are very adamant that that 144 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,920 Kendrick lost by a land by a mile, but delusional. 145 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,920 Yeah. So everyone thinks everyone, 146 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,880 many people feel like Drake Drake lost the battle. 147 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,640 So they feel like he's Drake Drake has always had and this is 148 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,480 just the beef part. We'll this is like the least 149 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,640 part. We'll get over this and then get 150 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,160 to the real. But it's somehow attached. 151 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:50,720 Everyone feels like Drake Drake has a is a little bit of a, for 152 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,720 lack of better words. They call him a Karen, right? 153 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,480 Like he's a cosplayer in the industry. 154 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,600 That's what they call him. So I feel like he lost and this 155 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,640 is him just being a baby about it and seeing because the, the, 156 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:05,440 the, the, the, the thought is that would he have still made 157 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,760 the suit or gone against UMG if this whole him versus Kendrick 158 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,040 thing didn't go the way it went? So that's that. 159 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,240 So the timing is crazy for his for his PR. 160 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:22,600 But then in terms of what the actual suit is talking about, 161 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,000 there's so many ways that you can spin it. 162 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,120 First off, there's an argument that and I actually want to find 163 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,720 out from you because I'm interested because I know you're 164 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,840 a Jake fan. What do you think about the 165 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,360 people who are saying that everything he's seeing Kendrick 166 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,960 off, he's benefited from? It's true, but you see, that's 167 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,840 the thing. UMG not Kendrick UMG. 168 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:49,440 Yeah, yeah. So you see, UMG can't like 169 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,480 obviously Drake benefits from all this like tactics. 170 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,360 Of course he does. But you see, The thing is EMG 171 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,560 can't say, well, you also benefit from the same because 172 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:04,640 then they would be implicating themselves in doing these 173 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,800 tactics in the past. So that's where they're they 174 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:12,400 kind of their lips are sealed for me, I think. 175 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,080 Well, one, I feel like there's also a little bit of politics 176 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,640 here because Jake is, I think he's about to renegotiate his 177 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:25,760 contract with UMG. So these are games being played. 178 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,400 Apparently they're, they're trying to insinuate that UMG 179 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:35,160 have they? They, they really went out of 180 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:40,280 their way to make Kendrick win so that they could depreciate 181 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:45,400 Drakes value, therefore low balling him for his next deal. 182 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:48,080 In his previous deal, it's always been reported that he was 183 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:53,720 given like $400 million and apparently now he's asking for 184 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,160 like 600 and then renegotiation or something. 185 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,240 I don't know what he's asking for. 186 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,400 He's probably asking for some crazy number, right? 187 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,080 And that China like, you know, that because of the 188 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,520 renegotiation is coming, is coming around. 189 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:12,560 They're trying to like depreciate his value some of 190 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:14,520 those games. And I think Drake on the other 191 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,400 hand, is trying to get away from UMG. 192 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,360 So they're kind of saying that this is him just trying to like 193 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,840 break up that relationship as well. 194 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:31,040 So what this opens Jake up to though is, is something similar 195 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,920 to like what happened to Diddy because it always starts with 196 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,240 you trying to take down a big dog because UMG is not a small 197 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:44,080 fish. UMG is backed by like so many 198 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,480 higher powers. Like you'll just do your Googles 199 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:55,600 and see who owns UMG and the findings will be very, very 200 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:00,080 interesting. And those entities that own 201 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:09,680 things like the UMG label poof money just it's just very paid 202 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:11,480 individual. So I think Jake should be 203 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:16,800 careful because this might like result into like a takedown from 204 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,280 him. I've already seen things 205 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:25,400 trending online about oh, like Drake is behind XXX Tentacion's 206 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,800 death and all those things are starting to come back around. 207 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,720 And these are games. All these things are games like 208 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,760 people like people like, because EMG can't say that angle of 209 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,560 like, oh, even Drake has benefit. 210 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:40,600 They can't use that because that will also implicate them. 211 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,680 So now they're going to be dirty and like bring up any that they 212 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:46,800 can find on Drake. And I think I think Drake has a 213 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:53,200 lot of that under the cover. I think he's also offended and 214 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:57,520 been very arrogant in his tenure. 215 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,560 So he's not in a good position. He has very few friends. 216 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,240 But let's not make this about Drake and whatever. 217 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,840 I think the main reason as to why we wanted to bring this up 218 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,960 is what are the implications like on us or like what can we 219 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,560 take from this? Like even us in our Kenyan music 220 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:18,200 industry. And for one, I think the biggest 221 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:23,840 one is the music industry is such a load of bullshit. 222 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,520 Like it's all such games and like inflating numbers and 223 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,200 paying off radio radio and doing all this type of stuff. 224 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,840 That's what it is like. And Drake is whistle blowing it 225 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,800 right. And he's doing it like to be 226 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,160 petty, but what he's doing, what he's saying about the music 227 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,960 industry is true. Like Sam, do you disagree with 228 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,320 that? Like, the reasons as to why he's 229 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,920 bringing it up is petty. And honestly, I think it's 230 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,440 distasteful. But what he's saying is true 231 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:02,160 about the industry, like using bots, brokering deals, which is 232 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,600 essentially inside the trading with Spotify, like manipulating 233 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,600 the value of what a stream is like and all that type of shit. 234 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,080 Like it's, it's such bullshit. And it's the reason why people 235 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,680 like us in Kenya, our stream is worth nothing. 236 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,200 Because all these people, they are the ones who control how 237 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,840 much the value of a stream is, how much, you know what I mean? 238 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,520 Like every like it's like they create the rules and that's so 239 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:36,240 frustrating. Like imagine, imagine Spotify 240 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:41,240 and UMG deciding how much the value of a stream is and that 241 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,960 ends up paying themselves. I don't know if like it's like 242 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:49,000 the game is already rigged from from the jump, right? 243 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,360 The music industry is just a game and it's just like we are 244 00:15:54,360 --> 00:16:00,480 all just pawns and it's you feel lost in this thing. 245 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,200 And I don't know that for me, that's the big my biggest take 246 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,160 away is like succeed in the music industry. 247 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,120 You might have to just play the game. 248 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,080 You don't have to play the game and it's dirty and it's, it's 249 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:18,920 it's insanely like, you know how like Steph Capella was always 250 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,600 talking about payola and all that type of shit, Bro, you have 251 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,320 to pay the game, play the game. Anyway, Sam, you what do you 252 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,160 think? What's your like take away from 253 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:32,120 all this and like how it affects us as as Kenyan artists in the 254 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,240 Kenyan music industry? I mean, even before, before we 255 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,400 get there, I feel like it's the right message again, it's the 256 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,080 right message. I feel like it's the right 257 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,800 message, wrong messenger. But someone's right message 258 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,320 wrong, right? There are not many artists who 259 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,360 have done who have as much leverage as Drake has, right? 260 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,920 If we're naming like a couple, probably what Drake, Taylor 261 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,120 Swift, maybe Kanye. But Kanye doesn't care about 262 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,160 labels anymore. He's doing whatever he wants to 263 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,920 do. There are very few artists in 264 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:15,280 that on that level rather so if there's anyone who would at 265 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,839 least make some noise because it was like a smaller artist, this 266 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,839 will have been this story would have been like buried long 267 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:25,160 before it came out. It wouldn't make it wouldn't 268 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,119 make way. Exactly. 269 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,960 But because it's him and the timing of it is also bringing 270 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,120 like more light to it. You know, it's it's interesting. 271 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:37,800 Now one thing we're going to and this happens in all industries. 272 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:39,920 It happens. In fact, there are probably 273 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,240 stories of the Kenyan industry where people have disagreed with 274 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,240 the gatekeepers, disagreed with the people who own, who have 275 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,840 relation the important relationships with radio and 276 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,120 distribution and all that. And then the the career has gone 277 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:56,560 quiet. Drake is doing something very 278 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,520 difficult because it could end up in two ways. 1, he could, he 279 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,520 could probably realize that he's just a pawn and as much as he 280 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,840 controls, he has like a huge market share in music or less 281 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,520 some decent amount of market chain music. 282 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,840 The music industry is way bigger than he is. 283 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,800 And so then that ends up being fight for nothing because 284 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,800 they're just going to write. You don't want to agree with us. 285 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,960 You don't step in line like you said and they will decide 286 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,080 they're not going to step in line. 287 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,120 They usually kick to the club. But do you find do you find it 288 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:32,480 interesting that an artist as big as Kendrick needs to rely on 289 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:38,320 bots? So now it gets a very 290 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:43,520 interesting conversation because an artist as big as Kendrick 291 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,280 shouldn't have to rely on bots. I feel like the music industry 292 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:52,960 has created a a framework of what's successful right from the 293 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,360 the simple determining the worth of a stream to like to like 294 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:05,160 determining how much of how much music, how much your music has 295 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:12,240 to how sorry, how successful your music has to be before it 296 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,720 moves whatever needle they wanted to move. 297 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,200 And so in in doing that, they've sort of created the environment 298 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,040 that, OK, for us to actually feel like we're successful, your 299 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,840 music has to do this much. And artists are not doing, I 300 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,440 mean music consumption, consumption in general is 301 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,800 declining. I think so. 302 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,600 And so for artists to do the numbers that they want them to 303 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,440 do or that would be successful, they have, I mean, if you really 304 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,320 think about it, it's weird. So they're allegedly bought in 305 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,040 the the streams and like what you said in the beginning, 306 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,440 they're bought in the stream so they can play. 307 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,200 It's almost an infinite money glitch so that they can pay 308 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,640 themselves and. Imagine not. 309 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,000 See how crazy that is? It's so weird. 310 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:02,560 But yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's sad, unfortunately, because who 311 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,120 suffers is the artist suffer. I mean, I would really love to 312 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:08,880 see the industry without bots. Like AFAM, can you just believe 313 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,560 like what if we went on to Spotify and we took off, took 314 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,600 off all the. Bottom embarrassing. 315 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:16,440 It would be embarrassing. Yeah. 316 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,160 Don't like don't person doing and listen. 317 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,480 And it's crazy. It's crazy because like right 318 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:25,080 now artists are struggling like if an artist cracks 300K first 319 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,480 week, if an artist does 200 K first week, we are like, you 320 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,440 know, you, you are you're, you're up there. 321 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,920 You know what I mean? Like, like and and back in the 322 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,440 day that never used to be the case because back in the day 323 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,640 people used to do 1,000,000, like whatever and like and those 324 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,360 are just regular. Not too far. 325 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,480 They weren't regular, Yeah, they weren't regular people. 326 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:51,080 But like, they could do it now if you even crack 250. 327 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,680 It's successful. It's crazy. 328 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,960 Whatever and that is with streams, which you don't even 329 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,960 know how legitimate they're in the 1st place. 330 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,360 So what are they? What are we really talking about 331 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,120 here? Are we talking about 100K? 332 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,880 You know, somebody does like what's, what's the ratio of real 333 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,840 to fake streams? Is it 5050? 334 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,280 It could be, but I wouldn't put it past any of these people, 335 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,240 man. I mean, if you go on like and if 336 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,560 you go on like Instagram and the the correlation to that would be 337 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:23,040 like how many of all the top followed accounts on Instagram, 338 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,000 how many of those are bots? You know the comments and the 339 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,840 likes. It's all it's all mirrors and 340 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,480 smoke and. So Sam, you're a new artist, 341 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,120 you're a new artist, You're seeing all this happening. 342 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,760 What are you taking? What's your take away from this? 343 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,120 Well, the first thing is the only reason. 344 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,840 Well, OK, UMG. Just to add to that, like just 345 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,240 to add, because things like payola, like as much as it's 346 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,440 frowned upon, it's very much a thing. 347 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,880 So do you partake? I just expanded my question. 348 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,400 Do you partake in the in what everyone else is doing in the 349 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:04,960 music industry or do you stay streamlined and just hope that 350 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,920 your music pops off organically? But I feel like the word organic 351 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,560 doesn't have any standing in the music. 352 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:13,440 Industry. No such thing. 353 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,800 So yeah, that's just my, that's my entire question. 354 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,920 Yeah, So the whole problem is that music has moved on to tech 355 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,160 now. And so that's what makes it a 356 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,440 little bit different. So the streamers, and I mean the 357 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,960 streaming is a tech game. The even the music labels at 358 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,040 this point that they're playing the tech game as if I'm a new 359 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,120 artist. Number one, my biggest concern 360 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:37,280 as an artist would be to create leverage as the music industry, 361 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:40,720 as the music industry shifts and evolves, you have to find 362 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:46,200 pockets that are real. Like like for example, if you 363 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,840 really curate your fan base and like Russ, Russ is the other 364 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,200 example. Whenever Russ steps out, he 365 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,520 pulls like 10,020 thousand people, 30,000 people for his 366 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,240 shows and he makes enough money for that from that to he's not 367 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,960 worried about streams. That's why he can just release. 368 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,600 He releases music on and on and on and on. 369 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,680 But then his focus is to create, have enough so that when he 370 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,400 steps out into a show, he he pulls enough people who are 371 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,720 paying for him and the return from that is greater than the 372 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,120 return from a stream. So leverages. 373 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,640 So are you? Trying to say so are you trying 374 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:25,040 to say that in today's age, like a new artist should be trying to 375 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,400 go against the status quo, which is streaming and doing things in 376 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,360 real life? So are you saying we should 377 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:37,640 bring back like CDs and cassette tapes and try and like if, if 378 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,920 like let's say an artist is able to sell 5000 CDs in in, in the 379 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,840 first week of them releasing music, Is there more value in 380 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:51,600 that than selling 60,000 or doing 60,000 streams first week 381 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,880 or no doing 60,000 like in, you know, the conventional way, the 382 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,920 way they counted first week? Well, partly, yes. 383 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,320 There's value in that. As an artist, you have to figure 384 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,200 out a different way to make money streaming it. 385 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,080 I mean, the primary way of counting numbers is always going 386 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,040 to be there. So streaming is and looking at 387 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,320 those numbers is always good because they need, we need a, a 388 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,440 reference point for things, right. 389 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,160 But then as, as an artist here, you just have to, you have to 390 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:23,800 figure out other ways of making money that outside of the 391 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,160 streaming. Now you have to go against that. 392 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,120 Like outside of streaming, fine, yeah. 393 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,600 Play towards Spotify and ensure that they put you on playlists 394 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,920 and whatnot but then also curate like a proper fan base and your 395 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,160 people who think. About it, Sam, imagine if you, 396 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:44,160 if you're an artist and you price your CD at 1000 Bob and 397 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,280 you sell a hundred of them in one week, that's 100K. 398 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,200 Yeah, speaking about that, what's his name? 399 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,920 What's his name? Mordecai Dex. 400 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,680 He released a project recently and haven't gotten got into it 401 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,280 yet. But then he he didn't drop it on 402 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,000 streaming. It's, it's on like it's, you 403 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,160 have to buy it from like one of these shops. 404 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,760 I think it's hostel or something like that, which I saw and I was 405 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,920 like super, super cool because he's been teasing it for a while 406 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,440 on TikTok and like platforms and he's like he's dropped something 407 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,160 is you can't just get it on streaming. 408 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,880 That's cool. Like that's, that's what artists 409 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,560 should be doing. And for artists here locally, 410 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,680 like even though they used to do it back then, but I feel like 411 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,080 it's it's slowed down where even though you read your stuff on 412 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,960 your your music on streaming, you also have links to it in 413 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:32,960 like the local electronic shops. And that's the problem. 414 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,720 Direct since especially since we don't have like, you know, like 415 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,120 if it's AUMG, then the label will force you to direct it to 416 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:42,960 where they want to direct. But here most artists are 417 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,720 independent, even the labels operate as independent labels, 418 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,960 right. So, yeah. 419 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,040 So as an artist, you really can direct your fans to wherever you 420 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,920 get. You need to get wherever you can 421 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,880 get that money from. That just helps you build 422 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,800 leverage. Leverage is super important in 423 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,600 the industry. If you don't have any leverage, 424 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,680 your contracts will be terrible. People will use you. 425 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,000 And it's an unapologetic, the music industry doesn't care 426 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,240 about nobody, man. Like it's a, it's an, it's a 427 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,360 very, very, very ruthless industry. 428 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,600 Very ruthless. So. 429 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,400 Yeah. But I think what people are 430 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,480 doing is they're trying to create that leverage using this 431 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,600 tech means that are not above board like essentially like 432 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,520 botting. You know, I know a lot of, like, 433 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,000 underground artists will use bots. 434 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,960 And then they'll say, yeah, look, I have a million monthly 435 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,360 listeners. Shooting yourself in the. 436 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:41,240 Footage, a lot of it is a lot of it is boted and bro, you know, 437 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,560 these people can check the back end, but that's what a lot of 438 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,320 people try and use as leverage, you know, which doesn't work. 439 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:54,000 So I guess, I guess then the the the answer is to create like a 440 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:59,720 real demand for your music. But do something unique. 441 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,320 Do something. But but you see now The thing is 442 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:08,760 you're, are you sacrificing being mainstream over over at 443 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:14,440 least having a little bit of rich financial security, which I 444 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,080 think I think is better to have financial security than being 445 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,480 mainstream. Because, you know, there are 446 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,040 artists who are not mainstream at all, but they can survive off 447 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,440 their art because let's say they have 500 people who will always 448 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,760 pay for like their merchandise and their music. 449 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,080 And that's fine for them. Like they don't even want to be 450 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,000 mainstream because bro, the people we have you're competing 451 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,240 against have them like Drake and Kendrick and all these guys have 452 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,720 the machine behind them. Like you're not gonna. 453 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,000 This is not even the machine. This is like the machinist of 454 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,400 all machines. Because there's label. 455 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,400 There's no more artists who have a machine behind them and don't 456 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,160 release a label. I mean, don't release an album. 457 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,120 The machine goes to work for them. 458 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,920 And the buttons are pressed. Very tiny buttons, very tiny, 459 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,520 less, less shiny buttons. But then those buttons are 460 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,280 pressed and then music just starts moving. 461 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,640 But then like on Drake's and Kendrick's and Drake and 462 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,320 Kendrick's level, like that's just like the whole of UMG. 463 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,400 Like it's AI mean? There's a machine. 464 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,400 It's a, it's a, that specific situation is huge because, I 465 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,200 mean, it's, it's gone past just music. 466 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,840 It's now more culture. Exactly. 467 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,480 And so the label looks at it as a more valuable thing just 468 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,840 because it moves more. So what? 469 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,360 So to the people who are listening to this, I just want 470 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:30,120 you guys to know, always be skeptical on everything that you 471 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:31,760 see. I remember there's a few 472 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,200 podcasts ago where like we were talking about, I kind of hinted 473 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,880 at, Oh yeah, the boom play numbers and stuff like that. 474 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,920 Maybe I wouldn't take them to. Let me just tell you guys, if 475 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,320 you see all these lists and you see numbers and you're like, oh, 476 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,560 this person is doing 30 million, they're abroad. 477 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,760 Trust me. Then like if you think only 478 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,040 only, if you think the only Drake and Kendrick manufacturing 479 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,960 these numbers and using bots, you'd be sorely surprised to 480 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:05,360 find out that this game is being played even more rampantly in 481 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,560 our industries because I think there's less like monitoring. 482 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,240 Of the situation. You know, so people, this is 483 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,080 the, this is the Wild West like, like everyone is just like 484 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,840 moving mad. So all these things and numbers 485 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,640 easily manipulated easily like you can, you can create and, and 486 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,640 some people might be it as smart because if you, if you create 487 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,800 like a facade and you'll use that as leverage and then get 488 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,800 like an actual deal or an actual paycheck out of it, then you 489 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,120 finish the system in some way. You know what I mean? 490 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:44,400 Like if you, if you make it seem like you have 100,000 monthly 491 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,520 listeners and then you approach like, let's say like shows and 492 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,120 stuff and you're like, yo listen, these are my numbers. 493 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,400 This is what I'm doing, you know, like you all should just 494 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:02,240 like just that I can, I can bring like, you know, but I can 495 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,520 bring value to the table. Then I guess that's what a lot 496 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,680 of people do and some people are successful of it. 497 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,320 It's just embarrassing when you can show when you you, you claim 498 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,960 to have a bunch of streams and then when you do shows and 499 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,960 stuff. Yeah, and then it doesn't 500 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:19,960 translate. And that happens. 501 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,440 It does not translate. That happens. 502 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,880 Yeah, it happens more than you would think. 503 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,640 It happens more than you. I, I saw, I saw I was listening 504 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,720 to some podcast where some guy was talking about how it happens 505 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,120 like even in the highest of levels, like even with people 506 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,680 like Young Thug, like, and why he had to downsize, like the 507 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,400 venues he was performing at. And I was like, what? 508 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,720 Even Young Thug? I thought everyone loves Young 509 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,760 Thug. Hey, listen, it's like, yeah, 510 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,320 it's crazy. It's crazy for me. 511 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,040 I think my biggest take away is, and even I think I need to 512 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,000 implement this in my own like musical journey is trying to 513 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:11,600 create like a real and tangible fan base and actual people be 514 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,400 invested in the music. Because you can get very, very 515 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,680 sucked into the world of trying to like show that you have 516 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,880 numbers. Anything that's numbers based, 517 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,640 trust me, it's been tampered with. 518 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,320 For the most, anyway. Yeah, pressed everybody 519 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,320 involved. For the most part. 520 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,440 I mean an interesting. As you but. 521 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,360 No, just as no. Did you have anything else on 522 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,720 this? No, no, I'm just going to say 523 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,200 I'm interested to see how it turns out. 524 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:49,120 This is a very, very huge case and very, very important for the 525 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:54,200 music industry. Like, like a lot is going to be, 526 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,880 a lot is going to happen with this case with how it goes. 527 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,920 So it's just something that we have to report on because I 528 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,040 think the the ramifications of what comes out of it will even 529 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,840 impact us over here. And so it's important to pay 530 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,000 attention, to feel like. UMG are going to find their way 531 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:13,840 around it. Honestly. 532 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,000 They're too big of a machine. They're too big of a machine. 533 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,680 UMG is not even as much as we're looking as artists, we're 534 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,440 looking at UMG are like, OK, they're, they have the, the 535 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,320 largest market share in terms of music and they're the big dogs. 536 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,280 There's people in a boardroom somewhere looking at UMG as 537 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,200 their least their least profitable asset. 538 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,280 So yes. Exactly like like the people who 539 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,920 like the people who have like this high stakes in the UMG. 540 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,560 Just do your Google. It's not hard. 541 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,240 You'll find them. Kanye West always runs about all 542 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,200 these things. But that's the thing about Kanye 543 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,720 West, he always runs and then he'll name drop someone and 544 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,640 like, who is that person? And then you Google them a bit 545 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,000 and you'll be like, oh, this is the person who owns the company 546 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,720 that owns UMG and you're. Like wow. 547 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,240 And those are the people who wants to fight. 548 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,240 Those are the people who wants to fight against. 549 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,600 I feel like artists like Drake and Taylor Swift and then 550 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,840 probably feel like they have they have enough leverage to to 551 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,000 bypass the. Nope. 552 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,560 Y'all are pawns. These people know that if they 553 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,320 just, if they just, they just, you know what? 554 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,680 They turn it down a little bit. Y'all are finished out here like 555 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,640 they can. They can tamper with Taylor and 556 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,720 Drake's like numbers easily if they wanted to. 557 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,040 Yeah, Anyway, listen, we'll keep, we'll keep an eye on an 558 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,560 eye out for that. Drake, though. 559 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,080 Drake. Drake needs to go sit down 560 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:32,880 somewhere. He needs to. 561 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,680 He needs to take a break. Yeah, that was not very hip hop 562 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,720 of him. He needs to take a break man. 563 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,680 You can't get suited because you can't go this thing and then say 564 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,640 everything you said and then y'all are fighting and then you 565 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,800 go crying. Yeah, it's actually 566 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,320 embarrassing. As a hip hop person, you have to 567 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,040 just take it on the you have to take that. 568 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,320 L man, you have to take that L and you did the same thing to 569 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,160 him. Well, not not people say it's 570 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,920 not as bad, but then you also like it's still deformation. 571 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,600 You could see for deformation also, so it's kind of crazy. 572 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,680 He did the same thing, essentially, yeah. 573 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,239 But Speaking of else, tell me what's happening with our shows 574 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,520 right now because it's not looking good, bro. 575 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,679 It's not looking good. I mean, I mean, the way is one 576 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,440 of the ways you can make leverage as an artist is is 577 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,880 through your live shows. Uncle Waffles is originally 578 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,320 Uncle Waffles. Uncle Uncle Waffles was recently 579 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,920 in Kenya. Why are you laughing at Uncle 580 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,719 Waffles? No, it's that her name. 581 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,480 She, we, we need to do like a draft of the, the the my 582 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,960 favorite artist names. Uncle Waffles. 583 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,520 It has to be up there. Just call it yourself. 584 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,560 Uncle Waffles. For me as a female DJ, he's just 585 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,280 like, it's it's. See, it's like, it's like a, 586 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,800 it's like a male DJ going by Auntie pancakes auntie or 587 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,000 something. That's no, that's. 588 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,800 Anti pancakes is. Yeah, it's like it's 589 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,880 provocative. It's like, why did you choose 590 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:04,640 to? No, no, no. 591 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,560 But no. A female DJ being called Uncle 592 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,840 Waffles is more productive, pro provocative than than a male 593 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,680 being called anti pancakes. No Uncle Waffles. 594 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,880 I can tell because that that's that's bold, that's bold, that's 595 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,400 a bit it's a bit brash and out there anti pancakes is not is 596 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,680 not not much anyway. So she was so I mean so she's a 597 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,560 DJ mostly I'm a piano stuff right. 598 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,400 She's kind of big in South Africa and she's been hopping 599 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,360 around playing for her fans. So she came here wore to her 600 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,760 thinking that you'll have a great time. 601 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,400 Maybe she did. No one knows. 602 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:46,760 However, they did their thing. The event organizers did what we 603 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,240 expected them to do exactly to the tee. 604 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:52,520 In fact, this time they went a little bit further because it 605 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,640 turns out that a couple of people left a tear gas in their 606 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,160 eyes and just hating their hearts. 607 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,880 So, I mean, she had a show from from what you know, she had a 608 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,960 show and it wasn't organized properly. 609 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,680 It got a little bit a little bit what how do you, how do you put 610 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,240 it? It got a bit scrappy, a bit 611 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,040 disorganized, I guess, for lack of a better word, and people end 612 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,720 up running around stampedes and police and law enforcers. 613 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:24,240 And then apparently she only performed for like half an hour 614 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,800 or something of the sort. So very disappointing. 615 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,600 They said there were like 10,000 people who. 616 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,520 Showed up for her show Who? Who showed up? 617 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,440 Which man, that's that's that's a huge disappointment. 618 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,080 And she released a statement where she says I'm extremely 619 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,240 disappointed and shattered. By the way, the For the Love of 620 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:49,960 I'm a Piano handled this event, which is something I have been 621 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,800 looking forward to for a while. From sound issues even before my 622 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,000 performance to my team being mishandled, this wasn't 623 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,560 something I expected at all. What is what? 624 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,680 What has disappointed me most though is how my Kenyan 625 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,840 supporters were treated by the organizers and security at the 626 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,160 event. People were pushed around, 627 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,360 mishandled and threatened with the least amount of care. 628 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,400 And that is something I will not stand for the safety and 629 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,840 well-being of people who come out to support me and this genre 630 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,520 is my top priority. And I could not play my set any 631 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,800 longer while people were visibly uncomfortable and at risk of 632 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,320 getting hurt. You can read the rest of her 633 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,960 statement on her social media. But I'm really disappointed 634 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,200 because OK, yes, the safety aspect for one. 635 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:45,640 But even sound bro, like even the event that had Lauryn Hill, 636 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:51,800 that was a huge issue as well. The the sound like how are we 637 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:57,280 still not able to figure out some of these basic things in 638 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,280 twins? So it's like you force like the 639 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,000 it's like the Kenyan government, they never learned it was 640 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,600 raining earlier in the year and it just rained recently and 641 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,440 there's still floods. I just, I don't know why people 642 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:05,760 just. Don't. 643 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,520 Nobody learns from the past. Yeah, I saw someone saying and 644 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,200 it's so true. Like if Kenya had like, like 645 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,720 really bad weather, like if we had tornadoes and storms and all 646 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:19,760 that type of shit, we would be so. 647 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,080 True, if you had, this would be. So unprepared for that shit. 648 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,880 And it's just like, it's just like bro, like you have an event 649 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,560 that goes so bad, like bro, boys to men. 650 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,440 Remember we talked about boys to men a lot last year. 651 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:41,720 Like that happens a year ago. Surely we're we're learning from 652 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:48,040 our like mistakes, right Do. You know, you know what, you 653 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,440 know what I feel like, I feel like I feel like there's a few 654 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,880 problems here. First off, I just want to say 655 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,480 this is a perfect opportunity for someone who wants to get to 656 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,880 that someone. Let's be that someone. 657 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,600 To just get in, let's go. Go, let's go. 658 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,360 Let's be that someone. Yeah, it could be that someone 659 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,960 this is no, and I'm being, I'm being for real like, like this 660 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,600 is certain opportunity for someone who like is who really. 661 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,120 And there's a lot of people who are amplifying the voices of 662 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:18,360 like live music out there. There's a lot of, I feel like 663 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,560 there's people are moving very individually and there's few, 664 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:27,640 there are few individuals who want to profit off the, the live 665 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,200 scene like that and they, it doesn't seem like they really 666 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,480 care much. But it's going to be. 667 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,680 Hard just. Again, this is just my it's. 668 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,440 Going to be hard because I know what's going to happen. 669 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,960 Seem like they care much. Who have held like, I'm not 670 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,160 going to say any names, but the people who are known to provide 671 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:48,280 a lot of live sound and, and all that's like stage setup 672 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,800 situation. And all those people you think 673 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,080 they're going to like go down without swinging, they're going 674 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,440 to find ways to sabotage or the new the new people in the space, 675 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,920 because that's just how that's the problem with our industry. 676 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,880 Do you know what, Sam? That's the problem with our 677 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,680 industry. Our industry is the people at 678 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,400 the top make it impossible for new things to like to like 679 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,440 thrive. And that, I'm sorry, it just has 680 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,120 to be said, even with artists, that happens all the fucking 681 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,360 time. And that's what would happen 682 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,880 like in this space as well. And that's why our industry does 683 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:29,200 not grow because like these older acts who have, and by 684 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,880 acts, I mean like even the people who have provided these 685 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,280 services from time or the artists and stuff like that, 686 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,320 they want to remain in power. They want to be the ones getting 687 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,280 all these contracts and all this money. 688 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,320 And they they, that's just how it is. 689 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,560 It is, but I I guess so somehow the international, the 690 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:48,920 international shows keep doing badly. 691 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,600 But then in terms of the local shows, we at least have a little 692 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,920 bit of successes over the weekend. 693 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,960 There was a few, There were a few a few ones that kicked off 694 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,600 Blinky Bills. I had very, very good things. 695 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,720 I wasn't able to go, but I had very good things about Blinky 696 00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:10,840 Bills show and his performance and that went absolutely 697 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,840 fantastic. According to what folks are 698 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,880 saying. That was great. 699 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,680 I saw one what under Wheelie outside also there there. 700 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:19,240 This is cool. See, I like what they're doing. 701 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,440 I like what they're doing and we keep talking about it like 702 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,480 they're pushing this is like a post post release for the album. 703 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,240 So they drop the release, the job, sorry, the job, the project 704 00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:30,520 on wherever you want to get it digitally and everything. 705 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,920 But then they're still on ground pushing and creating connections 706 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,400 between the themselves, the album and their fans. 707 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,320 And it just helps like it, it gives the the the project more 708 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:47,120 legs, which is really cool, I think, which is really cool. 709 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,000 So, so yeah, they've been outside doing a bunch of shows. 710 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,600 They've they've done a whole bunch now, like more listening 711 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,320 album launches. So yeah, I mean shout to them. 712 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,320 Also, so just give me the light and pass the jaw. 713 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:04,880 I saw that, Sean Paul. Who's that again? 714 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,840 No, I'm not going to do that. I've done it. 715 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,320 Once it's there, it's gonna be there forever. 716 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,880 So anyway, Sean Paul also performed. 717 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,760 I saw Red Sun was on the ticket as well. 718 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,040 Yeah. Did I see good things? 719 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,000 I saw mixed. Mixed reviews. 720 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,840 I'm not gonna lie, but yo, it's show season, man. 721 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,080 Everyone is performing. It is crazy. 722 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,720 December Share rehearses on everyone. 723 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,960 Yes, Sir. So let's go shout out to shout 724 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,800 out to everyone out there who is planning a show. 725 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,000 Yeah. But but guys, let's not be, 726 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,760 let's not be tear gassing like event goers like that. 727 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,480 Like, honestly, people are going out there to have a good time. 728 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,560 Like, what are we? Yeah, it's not Mandamano. 729 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:54,080 Let's not, let's not like, bro, there's no stampedes, no 730 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,520 situations where people should feel like panic, you know what I 731 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,800 mean? Like, we don't want that. 732 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,280 You're supposed to be in a show to experience good music and 733 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,400 have good vibes, right? So let's do better, man, because 734 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,680 shows are a big part of the music industry, and we need them 735 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,640 to, you know, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. 736 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,440 I just need them. Speaking of shows, so we I just 737 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,880 wanted to highlight highlight something. 738 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,560 I mean, I don't know why I'm highlighting the specific one, 739 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,920 but because I carrying announce, announce her first toy in 740 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:33,440 America, which is she has four dates today, actually, no, 741 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,760 yesterday, December 1st. And then she has three more 742 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,040 dates in December. She's going to Seattle, WA and 743 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,920 Boston and Atlanta. Atlanta was the one that has 744 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,920 passed. So she's going to go to Seattle. 745 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,280 Yeah. Interesting, Interesting. 746 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,560 Sorry, go ahead. Yeah. 747 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,000 So I mean, that's cool. That's cool. 748 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,160 We love to see it. We had we had talked about it 749 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,360 earlier when I think it was Nashinsky was going out there 750 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,200 and then he's he he wasn't able to go out with his whole team 751 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,400 because of the whole visa visa issue. 752 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,400 Unfortunately, unfortunately we have to report on that again, 753 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,600 Sophie Anzar is the latest victim to visa was and she was 754 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,040 also planning to to go out to the States, which is where her 755 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,000 music really puffed up popped not puffed up popped up with 756 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,120 Marky. So that would have been really 757 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:27,200 cool to see her out there. But unfortunately we have to 758 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:32,200 announce that she was was it was she denied visas She. 759 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,720 Yeah, she said she couldn't get the visa. 760 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,360 Yeah, which is kind of crazy, man. 761 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,600 It's, it's unfortunate. So I did a little bit of a deep 762 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,040 dive because I, I wanted to find out how this actually works. 763 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,720 And from now, of course from this, this will just be the 764 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:48,520 United States. I'm sure different countries 765 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,760 have their different entry requirements. 766 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,720 But then there's a form, not a form. 767 00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:59,360 There's a visa that specifically that works specifically for 768 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,040 artists, which is called the P2, the P2 visa, individual 769 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,440 performer rights, whatever. So there are a couple of 770 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,640 criteria now when I was, when I was reading it and just doing a 771 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,960 little bit of research, we're kind of cooked. 772 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:19,200 Why? We are cooked because so it says 773 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,120 that the classification P2 classification applies to you if 774 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,160 you're if you're coming temporarily to perform as an 775 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,120 artist or entertainer individually or part of a group 776 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,080 who will perform under a reciprocal exchange program 777 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,280 between an organization in the United States and an 778 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,720 organization in the United States and an organization with 779 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:40,040 another country. And then it says the eligibility 780 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,680 you must be an artist entering the United States through a 781 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,440 government recognized reciprocal exchange program. 782 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,960 Right there, man, right there. We're cooked because Kenya's 783 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,400 government doesn't seem to care about artists enough to to 784 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:59,560 figure this out. So, and then that shows the, the 785 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,200 process and everything you need. But then it seems like it seems 786 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,080 like this for you to get this visa, there has to be some sort 787 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:10,000 of a, a covering in terms of the artist board or you have to 788 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,480 belong to some sort of artist board for you to be able to get 789 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,480 like the specific visa, which is the the one legal way you can go 790 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,720 about getting visas unless you just apply and then figure it 791 00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:20,720 out in that way. It's sad, man. 792 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,680 And of course, I don't know the full details. 793 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,160 I'm actually really interested because this is this is 794 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,800 important stuff if you want to plan tours to the US. 795 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,120 Hopefully Nikita wouldn't. She's probably already over 796 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,360 there so she doesn't have to go through this. 797 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,160 But yeah, man, I don't know. I mean, I really don't know. 798 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,840 I've yeah, that's we keep going through the same thing and it's 799 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,440 just making with from from the concert wars to to people being 800 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,280 denied visas going out. It just starts making makes the 801 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,440 Kenyan industry look like such an amateur place. 802 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,360 That's because it is. It's amateur hour over here man, 803 00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:02,040 so, well, it has to be said, a lot of the like. 804 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,160 It's kind of crazy. To be honest, some the thing 805 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,480 that you said about seeing, you know, some people might see this 806 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,680 as a problem, other people might see this as an opportunity. 807 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,520 There's actually a lot that needs to be done and there's a 808 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,920 lot of opportunity to do these things. 809 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,960 So hey, if you're invested, if you're listening to this podcast 810 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,080 right now and you have an idea and you think, ah, somebody has 811 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:31,840 probably thought of it already, Probably not, Probably not. 812 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,960 Like there's a lot that's lacking with our industry. 813 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,800 So yeah, also in the tour circuit, it looks like Ben Sol 814 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,760 is also going to be doing a show in Australia or a bunch of 815 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,240 shows. I saw he. 816 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:45,480 Going to go meet Drake over there. 817 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,440 Yeah, I saw. Yeah, I saw the Anita Max win 818 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,840 tour. Anyway, I'm so sorry, guys. 819 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,440 I'm so sorry, yeah I saw he announced like a 30% discount on 820 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,520 Black Friday for his tickets for Australia. 821 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:07,640 So yo, if you are in Australia this is between 6th and 14th. 822 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,000 Go support the boy band Soul Man. 823 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,560 So shout out to him. Yo boys out there, Sam, I think 824 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,040 we'll see a Ben so. I wouldn't put it past. 825 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,320 I wouldn't put it past Ben. So I believe in the boy. 826 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:26,200 So listen, we'll hear Sudha on Ben's on a Drake song, you know, 827 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:32,680 so you don't Sam say something. So new music, right? 828 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,960 Let's get into new music. We talked about, we interviewed 829 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,800 the the one of the members of the Decimators. 830 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,000 Decimal records founder Monsieur. 831 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,200 Legend in the game Kevy. No, his name is Kevin Eric 832 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:53,960 Musyoka. I'm sorry man. 833 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,880 No, but I see how you can make a mistake between Kevin and Eric. 834 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,760 They're the same like ballpark of names. 835 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,720 I, I see, I see the vision. Sorry. 836 00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:03,240 Ballpark of names? Yeah. 837 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,800 Wait, that's such a weird concept. 838 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,160 So wait, what are you talking to? 839 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,160 So there's, there's like clubs and like groups of, yeah, 840 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,680 different names. Yeah, it's like how like this? 841 00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:18,240 Could go so wrong. It's like how Judy and Janice, 842 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,160 like, they're just like twins, you know? 843 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,600 Judy and Janice are twins, you know what I mean? 844 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:24,920 This is. Wrong man. 845 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,040 Why? It's like people who no, it's 846 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,560 like, why? Are you offended at what you're 847 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,520 talking about now? How you can't put people into 848 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,400 names like that? You can't do that. 849 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,360 No, it's like Peter and Peter and Matthew, Peter and Paul. 850 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,080 Yeah, but that's because of the Bible, because those are 851 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,200 biblical names. But it does make sense what 852 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,000 you've said, no? No it doesn't. 853 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:52,360 The Decimators style DCMTRIRS. It's like Andrew, Andrew and 854 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,480 Samuel. Andrew and Samuel are just two 855 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,200 names. Like yes, not at all. 856 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,760 Sam and Andrew, they should be brothers. 857 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,600 Sorry, no. No, not at all. 858 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,200 Yeah. So I mean, Bon I, we have 859 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,960 Concorde, we have Nadra Brian, Nadra Mongi and Eric Musioga 860 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,320 producing. So it's cool. 861 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:20,360 So the drought project called Buds and Bees, it is 10 songs 862 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,320 long. It runs for 36 minutes and 863 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,480 minutes and 47 seconds. That's interesting. 864 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,080 Did you listen to it? What do you think? 865 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,160 I did. I listened to the entire 866 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:35,760 project, so shout out to Museo and also thank you and shout out 867 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,680 to Hendrix Sam as well, because he produced on a bunch of 868 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,520 tracks. I guess the the song that they 869 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,760 wanted us to kind of perceive as the stand out track was Pina 870 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,840 Colada, which had the legendary Bien on. 871 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,000 But to be honest, I that wasn't my favorite song on the project. 872 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,880 My favorite song on the project was actually Julieta and I don't 873 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,000 know why I just have a liking towards that song. 874 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,800 Ultimately, I think I like it. The production is really good. 875 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:18,280 I think songs like Ghetto have really good production, and, you 876 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,520 know, Hendrickson is a big part of that. 877 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,720 And they also went very experimental with it. 878 00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:27,160 They tried to do a bunch of different like genres here and 879 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,440 there. So yeah, I like that. 880 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,440 I like. Boss, your P, your P, your P I'm 881 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,120 saying yeah, like with Boss, they did that more like a 882 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,360 Lingala Lingala sound. And then I don't know whether 883 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,200 it's doing you or I think it's doing you, which was more like 884 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,400 EDMEDM based. And then they have like some F 885 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,200 yes. Am I getting that wrong? 886 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:45,480 No, no, you're right. You're right. 887 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,040 You're right. And then bon bon. 888 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,080 Sounds in there. Yeah, exactly, exactly. 889 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,920 So yeah, yeah, it's a it's a it's a dope. 890 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,480 It's still projects. So you all peeped at buds and 891 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,200 bees. I also listen to another project 892 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:10,080 some that was just phenomenal and that is Park Roark. 893 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,680 I don't know if I'm pronouncing it properly, please correct. 894 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,640 Yeah, please correct me if I'm wrong, but Park Roark by Labdi 895 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:24,400 is honestly some phenomenal from the artwork to the music like 896 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,520 this is listen Labdi true artist like that artwork is phenomenal. 897 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,920 It's so insane. And then, bro, I, I was like, 898 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,320 OK, I know what Labdi is about, right? 899 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,720 So I knew what to expect. But one thing that stands out 900 00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:42,640 about Labdi's music is the engineering. 901 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,160 I think her music is really, really mixed well. 902 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,800 It Yeah, her vocals are so prominent and so tasty. 903 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,040 They're so crisp. And then you can see there's a 904 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,640 defined like plan because she'll have vocals that are really 905 00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,520 upfront and then she'll have vocals that are really reverbed 906 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:05,680 and to the back and all of them just like mix and they just like 907 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:11,600 paint a phenomenal picture. And then to top it off, she 908 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,240 produces her own tracks. So like everything you listen to 909 00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:18,920 is lab deep. Like her whole essence is in 910 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:23,400 these songs. And then she had one of the 911 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,640 best. Like this just makes sense 912 00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:28,240 collaboration wise. Costello drunk. 913 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:31,120 Like we already know what Costello Drunk is about. 914 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,320 Like if he's about to work with an artist, it's Labdi. 915 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,640 And that actually ended up being my favorite song Away. 916 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,160 It's what a song like it's just so nice. 917 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,080 And the The thing is, I don't even know what they're saying 918 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,600 because I don't understand Lou. But like, bro, I feel that shit 919 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,480 in my bones, man. I'm feeling it. 920 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,240 I'm listening to this stuff and I'm like you, I feel this in my 921 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:56,440 soul. I don't know what you're saying 922 00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,760 but you're saying that shit and I agree. 923 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,880 Like that's how I. You could be cursing my 924 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,880 forefathers for like, yeah, yeah, singing. 925 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,240 Bro I would learn the language I learned the Lou just so that I 926 00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:09,000 can understand what she's saying. 927 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,360 Man this is insane. I think I can't speak more 928 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:19,880 highly of a project than Park Crook by Labdi and if anything 929 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,040 you'll need to listen to this. I think I was even saying I 930 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,840 tweeted this. I think if Colors comes back 931 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:32,880 around to Kenya, please, please, I am begging. 932 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,640 No, why are you saying, oh, I am begging Labdi? 933 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,120 Labdi needs to be on Colors man, because what the fuck? 934 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,320 This is what people need to be seeing. 935 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,520 Like coming in to or getting into Kenyan music. 936 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,680 Like Labdi is insane or whatever. 937 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,560 Actually, it's not just Colors. Whatever, like international 938 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,400 platforms, you know, come in the future, please. 939 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,520 Labdi, one of them. Other music. 940 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,480 Sam, did you listen to anything else? 941 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,560 Yeah, I mean, I'll just run through a couple of of of songs 942 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,640 M Rumbi and Jiru dropped from the other side. 943 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,000 He was on the pod, the podcast a couple of weeks ago. 944 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,520 He said that he was releasing one last song for the year and 945 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,440 he brung that. So go check that out. 946 00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:20,600 I enjoyed that one. Let's see who else dropped some 947 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,840 music. Asim Gabi released a project. 948 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,720 What's the name of that project? What's the name of the project? 949 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,200 I forgot, but it's a four song, so let me put it up. 950 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,040 It's called Dawn Disc 1. So I'm guessing there's a couple 951 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,160 of more discs coming, maybe a second one. 952 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,480 Yeah. So he released 4 songs. 953 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,720 That was interesting. It was interesting because he 954 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:48,240 didn't go to the the the obvious route of just doing like basic 955 00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:51,120 beats, like all the beats on their sound different somehow, 956 00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:52,720 which I found really interesting. 957 00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:57,280 Sabi Wu with Oko SEM. That's a very conceptual song. 958 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,320 Yeah, that was interesting. I need to listen to that again 959 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,160 to catch everything he said. But that was that was 960 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,520 interesting. Who? 961 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,520 What else? What else did I listen to? 962 00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,640 What else? Mr. Liu, Was that this? 963 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:09,400 Yeah. Mr. Liu. 964 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:17,480 Mr. Liu and Blinky Bill team up. Well it's a team up with that 965 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:22,120 Mister Liu remix Nataka an attack at all and Afon was Afon 966 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,480 said that. Afon said that they both sound 967 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,080 the same, so it's like the remix sounds like an original. 968 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,040 Yeah, I feel, I feel like Mr. Liu in my head when it comes to 969 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,920 production, Mr. Liu and Blinky Bill, like they're like so 970 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,680 similar. I don't, I think that's a 971 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,920 compliment. I feel like they have like just 972 00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,200 a similar vibe. I don't know. 973 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:50,840 Yeah, that's true. Kimanga by Connie Kanu and Konni 974 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,960 and Konnu are different different people by the Okoni 975 00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:56,840 and it Aziz that dropped so shout out to it Aziz. 976 00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,600 Shout out to Fena Gitu. The last one I'll highlight is 977 00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,000 Love Art Lost, which was released last year. 978 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,200 Fena and Eric, not Eric. What's Eric? 979 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,480 No Fena? Are you going through? 980 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,600 Some Eric Musyoka. No Misyoka definitely did not 981 00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:19,040 produce on this. No, Fena and Mike Mwema teamed 982 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,720 up for the It's called an electric deluxe deluxe for her 983 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,480 album Love at Last. And the Seven tracks 7 remixes, 984 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,280 some of them are pretty cool. I really like the track #5 985 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,280 Scene, Cena Bay and #7 Guns and Roses. 986 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,720 Yeah, this is an interesting concept. 987 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,240 I'd love to see more artists do this where they release like, 988 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,160 instead of just doing like a basic deluxe, throwing more art, 989 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,640 more songs on there. We don't even do that in the 1st 990 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:49,000 place, but if we were to do that and then like doing a whole 991 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,600 remix project of like your song and then just giving them to 992 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,320 someone to reimagine them, like that's cool. 993 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,360 So yeah, a bunch of different things, but then there's a lot. 994 00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:02,960 What do you want to? So Ikitoka by Genesis and 995 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:08,960 Omawama Figi released well they released it Ikitoka and produced 996 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,600 by prod by Jamie and it was Cap. There's also a video so yoga 997 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,440 y'all can go and check that one out. 998 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,360 Let's see let's see let's see let's see let's see average by 999 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,840 Bueno and Kimberly Marley. Has anybody ever seen Bueno's 1000 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,880 face? If you have seen Bueno's face, 1001 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,480 please comment on the on the podcast. 1002 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:34,040 I'd be very interested to know. Budapest mellow with AP 8th St. 1003 00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,240 gang. That's more drill stuff for your 1004 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:42,120 head top Khalika dem by nasty nasty and furthermore that came 1005 00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,600 out. I feel like and some was saying 1006 00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,320 this before the podcast. Yes, I'm throwing under the bus. 1007 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,400 I feel like furthermore is watering himself down because 1008 00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,560 he's on too many songs at this point. 1009 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,400 And yeah, as much as I. They're not hitting like we know 1010 00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,600 for the more songs to hit. As much as I love the work rate, 1011 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:05,040 I think Furthermore should also be now he's proven he's like, we 1012 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,280 like you work hard and you're on all these songs, we get it. 1013 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,480 But I think he might need to like curate himself a little bit 1014 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:12,680 more. So he's just not. 1015 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,880 He doesn't give away his sauce too much. 1016 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:19,120 But that's just what I think. Makes them miss you. 1017 00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:26,040 Exactly 1 of the Saudi soul members released a song and that 1018 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,200 member is Chimano. He released a song called 1019 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,920 Monster. Where did you go the long way 1020 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,760 around? Sometimes I just be yapping fly 1021 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,360 by Gavin Mungai and Israel and yacht also came out body by 1022 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,760 gouache master VK nasty nasty that also came out. 1023 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:50,040 So you'll go check that out. And that's, yeah, that's all I 1024 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,880 listen to. Before you go to the pic Kolo 1025 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,520 Kolo dropped DEP volume 1. Yes Sir. 1026 00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:01,000 Remember that they are with the with the you went for the 1027 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,560 listening, no listening party. The listening party. 1028 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,800 Yeah, so he dropped the project and every single song on the 1029 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,200 except, yeah, no, every single song on there he had played it. 1030 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:15,920 So there's kinda extraordinary that is Chesa Biggie, the 2024 1031 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,400 remaster, in case you're confusing it with the other one. 1032 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,240 And then there's Z Anthem, which he, which was a single, I guess 1033 01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,480 that he dropped for that. So if you're a big fan of color, 1034 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,560 I mean, this is color music, you're a huge fan of him. 1035 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,960 Go check that out. Support the boy. 1036 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:36,120 Support the boy, but some I think the for me, the standout 1037 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,400 project was definitely Park Rook and for me, for me, I think the 1038 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,320 the the standout song was away by Labdi and Costello John. 1039 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:48,680 And so if you would allow me some, I would love to play it 1040 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:55,200 for the end of the podcast. And so you guys please enjoy the 1041 01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:02,160 the audio journey that is the song Away by Labdi and Costello 1042 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:30,680 John. The. 1043 01:02:54,880 --> 01:04:13,040 The. None. 1044 01:04:34,000 --> 01:05:13,400 None. The. 1045 01:05:35,170 --> 01:05:38,890 That was a way by Labdi and Costao. 1046 01:05:38,890 --> 01:05:42,770 Joan, congratulations on such an amazing project. 1047 01:05:44,410 --> 01:05:47,490 Yeah, hats off to y'all. Yeah. 1048 01:05:47,930 --> 01:05:55,570 And yo, guys, that that was episode 107 of the 30% podcast. 1049 01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,840 Why did I do that? Anyway, glad you guys are here. 1050 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,760 Always, always thank you guys so much for listening to us ramble 1051 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,080 about the music industry as if we had like some aficionados. 1052 01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:14,080 Really appreciate you guys. And as always, you guys know I'd 1053 01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:18,320 like to end the podcast. Well, if you're new here, I'd 1054 01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,840 like to end the podcast with the three CS, which helped me as 1055 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:26,040 well. And they are quickly or briefly. 1056 01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,080 Confidence. I need you guys to be confident 1057 01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,920 in your art because if you're not confident, who will be 1058 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,080 confident in your art? Consistency. 1059 01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,920 You need to be consistent in how you're creating your art as well 1060 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,800 as how you're releasing it. Always remember consistency. 1061 01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,600 We live in a very saturated market right now. 1062 01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,240 Everyone is doing the same thing. 1063 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,280 So be consistent. And lastly, craft. 1064 01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:52,160 Always strive to improve. Always work on something, even 1065 01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,400 if it's small and you work on it for 5 minutes a day. 1066 01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,200 All of that builds up at the end of the year. 1067 01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,280 You have done 5 minutes for 365 days and that's going to be 1068 01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,160 valuable. So do that confidence, 1069 01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,840 consistency and craft some. And the last C is leverage. 1070 01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:17,840 The last C is leverage. So as a, as a, as an artist, 1071 01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,440 like one of the ways that you, you move forward. 1072 01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,160 This is now for the ones who are specifically like, you know, 1073 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:24,600 people keep saying, I want to get signed, I want to get 1074 01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,040 signed. If you really want to get 1075 01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,440 signed, you, you can't just get signed off talent alone. 1076 01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,360 It doesn't work anymore. I'm sorry. 1077 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,080 You really have to build something of your own. 1078 01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:41,240 So work on on figuring out what you are strong at and ownership, 1079 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,680 make sure you like do as much as you can to own as much as you 1080 01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,040 can of it. And then you'll be able to sit 1081 01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,680 in rooms and actually have talking points, not be at the 1082 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:55,600 mercy of of the labels lawyers. But yeah, man, that's that 1083 01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,400 episode 107. Thank you for listening. 1084 01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,240 Bye bye. Why did you what those? 1085 01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:04,800 You have some more things to say. 1086 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,200 OK, sorry. No, that was, you know what, 1087 01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,760 Fine. We will see you guys on episode 1088 01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,640 108. My bad. 1089 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:12,520 My bad. Sorry. 1090 01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:14,520 Cut my guy off. Did you? 1091 01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:15,920 Sorry. No, I didn't. 1092 01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,760 I didn't have anything to say. We're done. 1093 01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,520 We're making it awkward now. Goodbye, guys. 1094 01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:21,160 Goodbye.