1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,520 I like listening to rappers who are coming up and just seeing 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,680 when you listen to rappers with hunger and they still want to 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,400 prove themselves, it's just fresh. 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,360 It's it's nice like a lemon. It's like a lemon squeeze over a 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:18,640 fish finger. You heard it here first. 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,400 It's a lemon squeeze over a fish finger. 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,920 Finger, Yeah. So anyway. 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:59,400 The Yo, what's up and welcome to 9 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:07,080 episode 79 of the 30% podcast, also known as the greatest 10 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:12,920 podcast in the land, hosted by yours truly, AFA Mephina and my 11 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,080 amazing Co host Sam Sam what's up? 12 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:18,240 What's going on? 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And for that, all you need to do 23 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:15,040 is type in the magic letters, the 30% podcast. 24 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:21,560 That's three zero, 30% podcast. Sam, what's up? 25 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,600 How you been? How's your week? 26 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,160 This this week, I realized that people actually do listen to the 27 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,360 podcast on Google like the, the I was talking to someone like 28 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,680 we, we listened to I listened to it on Google podcast and I was 29 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,960 like, but it's, it's dying. It's dying. 30 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,560 And so I don't know whether whether your podcast is going to 31 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,240 be OK. And I'm like, we'll be OK. 32 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,480 They're just moving to YouTube Music because. 33 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,200 Yeah. What's up? 34 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,560 I am doing. What's up? 35 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:50,720 I'm doing good. I'm good. 36 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:51,240 I'm good. I'm good. 37 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,440 I'm chilling. I am. 38 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,760 What did you get up to, man? What did I do this week? 39 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,800 I This week was mostly just work. 40 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,720 So just working. Tuesday I got to go. 41 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,680 I went down to Gecko Cafe. Martin guess I was playing. 42 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,680 I wanted to go see that. I planned to go with some 43 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,600 people, but they bailed. You know yourselves. 44 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:17,680 They Christianed. You. 45 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, that was horrible. 46 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,600 Very witty. Very witty. 47 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,080 No, it was witty, but it was horrible. 48 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,640 Anyway, I hope it hasn't gone over our listeners heads. 49 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,800 So I did that. It was a good show, got there 50 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:41,480 early and still struggled. I, I get anxiety when I go for 51 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,400 shows just because I really, I just, it's not that I want to 52 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,400 get a good place to sit. I don't care because I'm not 53 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:47,880 going there to look at the people performing. 54 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,920 I'm going there to listen to them perform, but just getting 55 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,840 seats. Sometimes you go there and Gecko 56 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,400 Cafe tends to be like a date spot. 57 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,640 So there's a lot of people with their, with their loved ones and 58 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,720 significant others and the people they're cheating with and 59 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,200 all of them and they're all. Cuddled. 60 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:09,200 Wait, what? All all cuddled up and and just 61 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,920 being lovey dovey staring into each other's eyes like yo you 62 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,400 guys are not even listening to Matt. 63 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,400 Matt is playing. Can we listen to Matt please? 64 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,079 So it was cool. I found a place to sit by myself 65 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:20,800 in the centre, being looked at by everyone, which is always 66 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,840 awkward, but I made it through. I didn't stay for the whole 67 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:27,000 show, didn't want to get rained on. 68 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,480 How long was the show? I don't know how long it was. 69 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,760 I stayed maybe an hour and a half. 70 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,040 So I want to say maybe two hours, 2 hours to 2 1/2 hours. 71 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,480 I don't think it was that long. But yeah, I left before it 72 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,880 ended. So yeah, that was dope. 73 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,240 That was really cool. I don't remember what I did. 74 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,240 It was just errands. That was the weekend working got 75 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,000 rained on. That was fun. 76 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,560 Yeah, that'll be. I was outside yesterday, which 77 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,960 was fun also. Yeah, we're here. 78 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,760 Very interesting life I have. What about you, man? 79 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,560 Well. We here man my week. 80 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:10,120 My week was pretty low key. Obviously I was unwell the last 81 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,320 podcast, so I have been recovering so I'm feeling better 82 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,480 now. My week was kind of dominated by 83 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,800 the release, so we were building up to a release with my artist, 84 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,280 Foster Nix. We dropped a song, a single 85 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,280 called Prism, which came out last Friday. 86 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,880 Check that out. I produced that well, we Co 87 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,080 produced it. This was when I was out in New 88 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,400 York. It's really one of my favorite 89 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,440 songs I've done with Foster to date, and the reception has been 90 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,960 good, man. He's been showing me like a few 91 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,560 messages he's been getting and stuff like that, and it's really 92 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:55,200 very inspiring to see that people actually listen to the 93 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,880 music. So yo if you want to listen to 94 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,840 Prism. It's a banger too, and I'm not 95 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:03,200 just saying, I'm not just saying it's because I know the guys, 96 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:04,960 but that's. My podcast, right? 97 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,760 You actually mean that, Sam? Sam, do you really mean that? 98 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,080 That's what I actually do. That's my joint. 99 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,280 This is my kind of music. Thank you. 100 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,160 Listening to to, to, to pop. Pop is. 101 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,040 Fun. Oh yeah, it's it's it's poppy, 102 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:22,040 it's house it's but it's still it's still in line with what you 103 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:27,960 expect from Foster kind of and yeah, it's it's available on all 104 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,800 streaming platforms aside from the release. 105 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,440 Yeah, that's that's kind of been how my my week has kind of 106 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,440 played out. So just kind of also figuring 107 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,560 out, brah, you know, figuring out the marketing aspect. 108 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,760 Oh gosh, it's horrible. It's so horrible. 109 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,400 Shout out, hey, shout out to everyone who does marketing and 110 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,520 you guys are just you guys are the ones. 111 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,880 Listen, marketing is not bad if you have a budget. 112 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,800 If you have like a big budget at your at your disposal, then it's 113 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,720 cool. If you have a limited budget, 114 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,400 now you have to start getting creative. 115 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,800 And that's where things now become really like like intense 116 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,680 in terms of like just thinking about what to do, you know what 117 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,440 I mean? You see, if you have, if you 118 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,960 have a big budget, then you're like, I just spend this on 119 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:22,640 influencers, spend this on, on social media marketing, you know 120 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,040 what I mean? It's so easy, like spend this 121 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,440 on, on shooting a visual. If you, if you have, if you have 122 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,760 a budget at your disposal, it's cool if you don't. 123 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,960 You have to get creative. Man, now you have to, but you 124 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,360 don't. Really have to get creative 125 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:37,440 though. All you need to do is just hop 126 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,920 on Tiktok and just copy. Just copy what you do, what you 127 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,120 see, people. Do you think that's it's, trust 128 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,040 me, bro, I've been on Tiktok this whole week, Sam. 129 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,000 It's not as easy as you think. Going viral is not easy. 130 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,360 Like, OK, it's easy and it's not. 131 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,320 But I don't know if that makes sense, but it makes sense to me. 132 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,320 There's a lot that goes on to posting on Tiktok. 133 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:04,280 You have to understand, you have to understand search engine 134 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,920 optimization. So you have to know like what 135 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,320 like. And then also you have to be 136 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,120 chronic. You have to be chronically 137 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,240 online to know what's trending at the time. 138 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,440 And you also have to realise if you're trying to push your music 139 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,520 on Tiktok, you have to do it in such a way that it doesn't seem 140 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,480 like you're pushing your music on Tiktok because once it seems 141 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,120 like that's what you're doing, nobody wants to pay attention. 142 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,520 So how do you do that without actually having? 143 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,640 Enough. Wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, 144 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,159 That's that's annoying. So we have to appear to be 145 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:38,880 inorganic, appear to be organic while being in, oh man, yeah, 146 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,640 the Internet. Essentially, that's the game. 147 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,320 That's the game. And it's so annoying. 148 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,520 Like just listen to my music because it's good, not because 149 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,360 like I've made a fancy Tiktok. So, so now you have to figure 150 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,240 out what you have at your disposal now if you're artist or 151 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,920 if you're an artist who's really happy to be on Tiktok and and 152 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,800 show yourself a lot. Like the artists I follow who 153 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:02,880 like are on Tiktok all the time before the song drops. 154 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,080 They're previewing it every day. They're making funny Tiktoks, 155 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,320 They're doing content, They're hopping on other people's 156 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:09,320 sounds. That's great. 157 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,640 Now, if that's not who you are, Yep, it's a bit hard to like, 158 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:15,320 figure out. Yeah. 159 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,920 And like, for me, for for me in my example, Foster isn't really 160 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,920 like the person to be on Tiktok all the time. 161 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,920 So we have to figure out tasteful ways for him to do so 162 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,560 or other ways for for us to like exist on Tiktok. 163 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,320 Listen, if you guys want to hear more about me talking about 164 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:40,480 TikTok marketing, as far as I have discovered or uncovered it, 165 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,320 you just need to subscribe to my Patreon. 166 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:49,040 I'm charging. You have no Patreon what are you 167 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:50,240 talking about? Afrim doesn't have a page yet. 168 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,960 He's just he's trying to get money from you, man, being an 169 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,280 ATP. But yeah, anyway, so that's 170 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,000 that's a whole different world. Maybe I can talk about it like 171 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,120 in another podcast. Yeah, it's pretty interesting. 172 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,920 Yeah. And going viral. 173 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,080 Finding out how to do it sounds, yeah. 174 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,720 Sorry I cut you off now I'm just saying going viral isn't as 175 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,640 glorious. It's not, yeah, it's not fun. 176 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,560 It's not fun work. It's not fun. 177 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,280 It's not very easy when you create that joint work. 178 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,360 It's so easy, so easy, man. But like I've just been learning 179 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,400 how to edit videos and stuff like that. 180 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,240 And honestly, I, I, I don't have it in me. 181 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,200 I don't know if I have it in me to keep on doing this edits and 182 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,840 stuff like that. Bro I and I, it's fun. 183 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,480 It's just like, bro, I like the music, man. 184 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,560 I'm not, I'm not supposed to be here like, but that's what the 185 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:45,600 music industry is today anyway. So Speaking of music industry, 186 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:49,960 this is a music industry podcast where we review things that 187 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,840 happened in the Kenyan music industry. 188 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,520 So Sam, what? What was happening in the Kenyan 189 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,600 music industry this week? There was not much that happened 190 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,680 this week. Like I was online looking, 191 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,440 searching like apart from, OK, so there's two people might go 192 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,560 online and say, oh, but this happened in the music industry. 193 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:11,840 There's, there's, there's a difference between gossip and, 194 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:17,160 and just like sensationalized news and people talking about 195 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,760 who they've broken up with and artists, you know. 196 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,160 And then there's like news that actually has to do with the 197 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:29,680 music industry and it's building or destroying or the fabrics, 198 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,600 the fabrics of the music industry, things that have to do 199 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,800 with that. And those that kind of news is 200 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,680 not very fun. It's often boring, except when 201 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:42,880 it's MCS case shenanigans and a few other things. 202 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,560 So you have to really look sometimes. 203 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:53,480 This week was. Well, I did see an interesting 204 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,680 article. So I saw. 205 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,920 I saw. Apparently Otile was on a 206 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:05,320 platform talking about how there are no international acts out of 207 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,360 East Africa. So essentially he said, he 208 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,760 claimed that there are no international artists in the 209 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,200 East African region. And he was like, you know, 210 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,120 there's really no one out here who I can consider an 211 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,120 international act, he said. An international title is 212 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,840 something we have to fight for because right now the industry 213 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,560 is stuck. Let nobody tell you that there 214 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:28,200 is an international artist in East Africa. 215 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,160 We are all on the ceiling. There is no international 216 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:38,000 artist, so a few people were not happy on online obviously for 217 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,200 for him saying this, including KRG the Don who apparently wants 218 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,960 to run for parliament. Oh, it really? 219 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:48,080 Yeah. Oh. 220 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:55,800 Man, so, so some people said, OK, how about Saudi soul, man? 221 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,960 You know Saudi soul are pretty international, right? 222 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,720 Yeah, And obviously when you say Saudi soul, a lot of people kind 223 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,080 of point to BN as this like, I don't know, it's kind of like 224 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:10,000 the leader at this point. And so BN kind of says, yo, 225 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,160 leave me out of this. Like I don't want to be involved 226 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,000 in this debate. He goes on record saying I 227 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,960 really don't care if I go international or not, it's not 228 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,800 my business. Let people do their work. 229 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,000 And if it's and if and if it's about who is going to take 230 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,520 Kenyan music to the international level, please 231 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,840 leave me out of it. Let everyone carry their own 232 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,800 cross. He also says I was born to make 233 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,080 music and I will do it till I die. 234 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,520 Whether I become an international artist or not, 235 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:40,000 that's not my problem. That's up to you in the the 236 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,000 public is who is he's saying by you. 237 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,240 And he says I sing because it makes me happy. 238 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,320 I sing because I love to express myself. 239 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:47,880 And that's what's important to me. 240 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,960 And I want to say that I think he responded to this perfectly. 241 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,080 That's exactly how you should respond. 242 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,320 Now, does BN want to be international? 243 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,080 Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah of. Course he wants to be 244 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,960 international. Like cup bells are ringing. 245 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,160 I'm just like, hey, whoa, whoa. Big especially. 246 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,600 It says like, it's up to you. It's not up to the fans, bro. 247 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,480 You're the one who is. No, no. 248 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:11,080 You're building. Obviously we know BN. 249 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,080 Obviously we know BN is doing everything in he's. 250 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,160 Just tired. He doesn't want to. 251 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,000 Become an international it's. Just it doesn't. 252 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,320 Want to be talking about? It's just like it's so corny to 253 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,120 be in the blogs that you're trying to like go back and forth 254 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,320 with like some guys over, oh, are you international or not? 255 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,200 Like that's corny. So you have to shut that down 256 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,000 and say, yeah, I love singing, I'm doing my own thing, Whatever 257 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,640 you guys want to say. You said I think the way he 258 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,800 approached that is, is fire. What do you think, Sam? 259 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,240 Do you think there are any international acts from? 260 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,280 Easter, do we have? OK, now here's where we start. 261 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:43,800 We start getting a little bit serious. 262 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:48,560 Do we have international? I think we, yes, we have 263 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,400 international acts currently, but I think. 264 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,040 Like diamond are. We talking about the whole of 265 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,800 East Africa or Kenya? Just Kenya. 266 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,520 Well, East Africa. What are the biggest names like 267 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,520 Diamond? There's Harmonize. 268 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,160 Diamond Harmonize. Who else is from there? 269 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,520 Diamond Harmonize. Saudi Soul is the biggest name 270 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:12,440 here. Yeah, is that? 271 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,840 It I'm not OK, let's talk about it. 272 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,600 Let's talk about it. Yes, please, please. 273 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,680 I don't want to get in trouble again with those guys. 274 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:27,040 We love you, Kenya. Kenya, we currently have BN who 275 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,800 desperately doesn't want to engage in this, but he's 276 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:34,320 actually currently leading that. Probably we have some of the the 277 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,560 RMB new RMB ladies we do. We do. 278 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,840 I mean you'd consider you'll consider Xenia international 279 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,760 right to an extension? Would I consider Zinnia an 280 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,720 international act? That's a great question. 281 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,560 Do I? Yeah. 282 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,400 She does appeal to like the international market, that's for 283 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:59,880 sure. Yeah, well. 284 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,480 What is? What is an international? 285 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,240 Market, yeah, she does show out there. 286 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,560 OK, go ahead. She works, she works with 287 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:12,120 producers and engineers and stuff from out there also. 288 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,200 So I mean, that would fall into the category of an international 289 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,760 act, I would say. Well, it depends on how you look 290 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,520 at Internet. So for me, OK, for me, when I 291 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:29,520 international act, well, yeah, Pink Panthers is an 292 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,080 international act for sure because like her music is wide 293 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,160 reaching. Like they they listen to her in 294 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,120 Asia, they listen to her in Africa, they listen to her in 295 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,600 Australia, they listen to her in. 296 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,400 That was a joke, by the way. That was a joke. 297 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,680 Yeah, I really want to ride with this. 298 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,880 I I ride for my girl. I know. 299 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,080 Like I ride for pink patras man trust me. 300 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,280 But like for me, when I hear the term international act, I feel 301 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,960 like I also equated to success to a, to a, to a level. 302 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,320 Now, I'm not saying like the example that you gave that Zia 303 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,200 isn't successful. I feel like she's also still 304 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,400 growing. So does she have the potential 305 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,560 to be an international act? 100%? 306 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,319 I think she is on the way to being an international act. 307 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,200 Would I say she's an international act now? 308 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,760 Maybe not not yet. I don't know if I make sense. 309 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,359 Am I writing this? I feel like she's I. 310 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,280 Feel like success for me won't be, I think. 311 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:32,800 I think success is success matures at the different stages 312 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,320 you are. So you could be like a small 313 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,480 artist, but then you could have success as a small artist 314 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,440 because for you to be a big artist, you have to be 315 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,280 successful at being a small artist. 316 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:46,680 So I feel like if, if, if we, we break that whole international 317 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,880 act down into small pieces and applied to wherever they are, 318 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,480 maybe we could find out. Like for Zinnia, I just feel 319 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,000 like she's, she's out there, right? 320 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,600 She's out there. She's doing a lot of music. 321 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:02,880 She's she's, she has little successes outside shows and by 322 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:07,040 podcasts and stuff like that. So she's successful, even if 323 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:12,880 it's not the grand international act Billboard to what do you 324 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,560 call it, Marquitos and all that business. 325 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,720 But she does have a little bit of success and other actors. 326 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,640 But that's why I was saying, yeah, OK, so that's what I'm 327 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,640 saying. Like you see from your argument, 328 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,080 that makes sense if you're breaking down the the term 329 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,480 international act and then like applying it to whatever stage. 330 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,640 And yes, yes, in. Their career, that's what I'm 331 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,880 saying for, but for me, when I hear the term international act, 332 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,480 I thinking big. Like like I'm thinking big. 333 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,440 I'm thinking you're going on tours, you're doing this and 334 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,680 that. So like, yes, your argument 335 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,320 makes sense. But for me, when I hear the term 336 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,800 international act, that's what that's what I think about. 337 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:55,400 So what level would you have to be for the, for you to consider 338 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,080 them successful? Then let's let's, let's go, 339 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,800 let's go through this. Then what do you think are the 340 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,200 factors that go into becoming an international act? 341 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:10,800 From my perspective, I think the first factor that really goes 342 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,200 into it is PR. Now I think your PR needs to be 343 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,960 really, really, really far reaching. 344 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,200 So like you look at OK, shout out to Ira Star. 345 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,640 We talk about Ira star a lot. My dad listens to this podcast 346 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,440 and he says you guys only talk about a few names, Ira Star, 347 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,680 Bien Nyashinsky, who else? Like you said, those are names 348 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,200 always mentioned on the podcast. I know doing. 349 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:42,840 Our best? Here call down. 350 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,760 Thank you though we take your, we take, we appreciate the 351 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,400 feedback. So, so you look at Ira Star and 352 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,320 This is why I'm saying like for me when I, when I hear the term 353 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:57,440 international act, my, my instinct is to kind of like go 354 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,920 more towards the OK, you're like doing bigger things. 355 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:06,800 So you look at Ira Star in terms of PR, like I feel like they 356 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,880 have been doing massive PR for her like the whole year. 357 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:16,160 Like ever since commas came out, like she's been on an insane PR 358 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:19,960 Comma, comma, commas, commas, commas anyway. 359 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,480 You've seen her on like for me, I don't know why. 360 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,800 She's been everywhere, bro, She's been everywhere. 361 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,560 She's been like, like you've seen, OK, you've seen her on and 362 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,240 this is also kind of like marketing, but you saw her in 363 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,280 Paris Fashion Week. We talked about that, right? 364 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:40,720 We've seen her, we've seen her on. 365 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:47,720 I saw her on the on Kiss Fresh with Henry and Shut at Henry if 366 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,080 you're ever listening to this podcast. 367 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:55,240 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I love no Henry. 368 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,360 Listen, listen. I'm a fan of Henry. 369 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:00,680 'S yeah, I know you're a fan. Listen, I'm a fan. 370 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,680 You're a fan? Yeah, definitely a fan. 371 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,080 Just. Massive fan. 372 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,200 I'm a massive fan of Henry. Henry. 373 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,640 Whenever I see people on Henry's on Henry's show, I'm like, 374 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,520 you're like, they're actually because she like anybody who's 375 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,520 anybody goes on that show at one point in the music industry, 376 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,800 man, she's been with Thames, she's been with Tyler, she's 377 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,720 been with everyone. Like everyone goes into that 378 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,920 show. And and and obviously Ira Star 379 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,480 was on that show. And I'm just like, yeah, you can 380 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,200 see they're spending money on the on the with the PR budget 381 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,640 putting her with these people in this like positions where like 382 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:39,840 you can see her face Thames, for example, We've seen Thames on 383 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,920 the chicken shop date with Amelia. 384 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,840 There's like a genre of. Of. 385 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,320 Of of shows that are not necessarily radio but are like 386 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,040 artist friendly. But yeah, so it's that kind. 387 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,520 Of thing like these, these, I know, I know this sounds like 388 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,480 trivial, but like these are some of those things that kind of put 389 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,240 you in the international conversation. 390 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:05,680 You see IRA with Rihanna. You see IRA in studio with Chris 391 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,200 Martin from Coldplay. You see her in studio. 392 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,760 She even mentioned she was in studio with Jaden Smith. 393 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,920 Now that's a wild one. I know that. 394 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,320 Like it's weird. And for me, I never used to get 395 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,760 this. I I never used to get it. 396 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,760 I was like, I used to see celebrities at then studio 397 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,480 together or something. Or like a celebrity is front row 398 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,520 of of the of an of a basketball game. 399 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,400 Yeah, or they're like in the NFL then the box NFL. 400 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,600 Yeah, yeah, it's there's a big deal or then Fashion Week or 401 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,760 they've gone for the Met Gala or something like that. 402 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,000 I used to see these things and I never used to draw any 403 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,800 correlation. I was just like, OK, this is a, 404 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,840 this is a celebrity doing. Science to start doing the 405 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,800 science. But once you start doing the 406 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,560 science and you realize, oh, shit, all this is just like 407 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,800 coming up, like it's building up to like the product, which is 408 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,880 the music. Like you see now she's released 409 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,000 music. Oh, you think listen, you think 410 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,880 Don Jazzy's spending a bag for Ira Star to go to Paris just for 411 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,320 her to go to Paris for the music. 412 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,800 Have those looks. No all this put all. 413 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,280 This is above the music, so when music drops, all those ice 414 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,400 hopefully translate into plays, and this place translate into 415 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,360 money, and that money translate into getting your investment 416 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:18,560 back. Recouped back into the into the 417 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,920 label. Yeah, because unfortunately 418 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,160 human beings are sheep. And I see Ira Styles with 419 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,840 Rihanna, I see Ira Styes in studio with Jayden, I see she's 420 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,240 in studio with Chris Martin. I'm going to be like, wait, that 421 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,640 puts that raises my perception of. 422 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,040 Yeah, it pulls. Yeah, it pulls. 423 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,360 I feel like it just pulls them up from the level. 424 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:43,120 And just like, like when we saw Rahma again, Rahma is the other 425 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:46,000 example because Donjazzi, Donjazzi just be, he's, he's 426 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,560 doing some work over there and he's, we started seeing Rahma 427 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,440 with standing with people like Omarion and them and just like 428 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,080 just very outlandish American artists. 429 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,040 It's just like it's, and for some reason it's, I mean, when 430 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,760 you say international, a lot of it, it's the, a big chunk of the 431 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,840 cake is America because that's where the industry is like. 432 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,240 Yeah, we don't see and partly. Europe. 433 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,640 Yes, partly, Very, very small. Partly, but partly. 434 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,520 Anyway, sorry, Continue. And that's why I was saying 435 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:20,160 like, like all these things, they play a role and you kind of 436 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,600 establishing that international status because like people are 437 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,760 having conversations about you even outside of your country. 438 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,480 And like these people have PR budgets. 439 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,960 Sam, I know you are telling me this, we can't really disclose 440 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,880 this on the podcast, but you are telling me of a very famous or 441 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,000 well, he's a, he's APR guru in the country. 442 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,640 And he was showing you like APR plan for like a like an artist 443 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,080 in Nigeria. And it's just like, listen, like 444 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,720 these guys have PR plan to be to be for, for Kenya. 445 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,120 Like you have APR plan for Kenya? 446 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,280 PR plan for regions. You know what I mean? 447 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,320 For here there's there's one, for South Africa there's one and 448 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,920 there's different people running that and then there's like a 449 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,960 head PR guy probably where the artist is like it's a whole 450 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,680 machine to get someone in front of your face. 451 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,400 It's crazy. It's so much work. 452 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,480 So for me, PR is one of them. Marketing kind of goes hand in 453 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,720 hand. Like like I said, putting put 454 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,960 putting you in with putting terms with Amelia putting you on 455 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,800 the front row, putting you in Fashion Week. 456 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,040 That's also marketing. Like all that just kind of plays 457 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:35,480 a role into like you, yeah, into you selling albums and moving 458 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:41,320 units and and another thing. I was actually about to get into 459 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,320 another one because I think you test on it, you test on it a 460 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,080 bit. Let's get into. 461 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:47,720 That you test on it a bit with the earlier talking about the 462 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,960 music and then now talk about albums and all that stuff. 463 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,800 So it sounds very trivial obviously, because it's like, 464 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,160 OK, this is a musician, so like the music is. 465 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,960 But then for you to be an international artist, you do 466 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,320 have to make music that in some way or package the music in a 467 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,240 way that it will appeal to an international audience. 468 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,920 If you're making music that's hyperlocal. 469 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,200 If it's not, now this gets technical because we have like 470 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,240 bands who are who make like traditional music and stuff, but 471 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,640 it still appeals to the to the local, I mean, appeals to the 472 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,160 international audience because they are selling like their 473 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,640 culture or selling something like that. 474 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,600 So there's something that there's a way they've packaged 475 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,960 it. So it's how you package your 476 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,920 music. You can't make music. 477 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,560 That's OK, sorry. There's the different things 478 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,440 that are involved within that, how the music sounds and the 479 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,400 type, the type of collaborations you, you get on the track, 480 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,200 right? The features and yeah, both 481 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,480 features meaning both the production and production, 482 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,200 right? And things like that. 483 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,280 And then just how you present the art, your music videos, your 484 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,640 your album art sometimes might play into that, maybe not as 485 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,600 much, but it's stuff like that. So just. 486 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,400 I mean, just to sorry, so just to add on to that, like you see 487 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:07,240 like Tyler releasing the video with Ghana, right? 488 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,400 And he saw the whole thing about them working together and all 489 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,920 that type of stuff. Like that's what makes you feel 490 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,760 like, OK, she's an international act. 491 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:20,800 Like OK, you'll see her with all these like, and production wise 492 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,240 as well. Like you look at an album, you 493 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,600 see who's in the credits, man. Like international producers, 494 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,680 like your song has been touched by so many. 495 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,120 Like different, like, you know, names. 496 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:37,680 Yeah, like when you see again, bring it back to Iris. 497 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,080 Style in the industries. Bring it back to Iris style. 498 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,080 We saw in as part of her roll out, which has been happening 499 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,240 for for a minute now. She got on a song with Calvin 500 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,760 Harris. Was it Calvin Harris? 501 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,640 Calvin Harris and a little Dirk. I think she got on a song with 502 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,520 yeah, she dropped a single with Raul Alejandro. 503 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,600 I think that's his name or, or, or man, I'm butchering his name 504 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:05,480 and and Russian, Latin America, you know, and she's so it's more 505 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,240 there's, there's a there's a, a real effort to get features that 506 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,800 expand your audience. And if you look at her album. 507 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,720 I mean she. Yeah, yeah, if you look at her 508 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,480 album, her album, go ahead, sorry, I don't think that was 509 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,680 the point you're trying to make. But if you look at her album the 510 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,000 the. It it was. 511 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,440 It was the album she just released that song, the the one 512 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,760 with the Latin America collaboration. 513 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,680 I mean, Latin America features is the highest streaming with 514 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,880 like by a by a mile, right. So that's like a that's a that's 515 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,680 an effort to do that. We see Rema actually, no, Rema 516 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,200 is Rema is a different story. But but even before we go to 517 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,520 Rama, like even on that same album, I mean, you, you see this 518 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,280 Anita as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 519 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,600 Right. Coco Jones she's also collabed 520 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,120 with. Givian, Yeah. 521 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,040 Like bro this? Is a recognizable name. 522 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,360 She's out here, like, right? Yeah. 523 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,760 So that's part of it all. All that is that part of it. 524 00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,240 Listen. Yeah. 525 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,400 I just want to say this, I want to put the caveat here. 526 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,120 Are we saying that this is what you need to do as an artist? 527 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,720 No. And we're not saying this is, 528 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,480 I'm just saying this is kind of like just what gives that 529 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,160 perception of you being an international artist. 530 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,760 You can be an international artist without relying on these 531 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,480 things. But I feel like for that to 532 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:26,880 happen a lot of different, a lot of this might even get us into 533 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,360 the luck conversation. Well, not luck, but like you 534 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,440 could go viral and become an international artist like Sophie 535 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,520 Anzhao. I think Sophie Anzhao is 536 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,560 actually an international. You can say she's an 537 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,320 international acting. That's an interesting one. 538 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,720 That's an interesting one. Because she went super, super 539 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,000 viral. Like everyone was talking about 540 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,160 her. She was popping on TikTok like 541 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,080 every everybody. But would you consider someone 542 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,080 an international artist of one song? 543 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,720 Because that was one song that really put. 544 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,240 Out, I mean, if, but if your name is recognizable 545 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,160 internationally, then yes, I I would like you. 546 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,480 You can be a one hit wonder and and then become international. 547 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,320 It's happened. That's true. 548 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,440 So I feel like her like and then obviously now, no. 549 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,400 But even with the with the remixes that have come out of 550 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,200 like the major laser and everything. 551 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,160 OK, that makes sense. Yeah. 552 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,200 Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, but you see, I feel like 553 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:32,040 Sofia and Zao's scenario is a very, very, very Unicorn. 554 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,640 Extremely rare like that happened that that's a Unicorn, 555 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,640 bro. Even the way that whole song 556 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:44,600 came about and went viral, it's so it's so it doesn't happen it. 557 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,360 Does not happen. You can try and recreate. 558 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,000 You can try and recreate what that happened. 559 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:49,720 You can't. Recreate. 560 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,000 It happens a lot in producer sense for like that in real 561 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,680 life. Yeah, in my head, yeah. 562 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,360 But like, is it going to happen in your? 563 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,240 Life. No. 564 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,560 So we're kind of telling you how it typically tends to. 565 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,400 Happen. Like there, obviously there are 566 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,600 examples outside of what we are saying, but we're just kind of 567 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,040 looking at what typically tends to happen or how the industry, 568 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,720 yeah, how the industry goes about manufacturing 569 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,800 international. International. 570 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,840 Yeah, that's music. What's what's what's another? 571 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,920 I was thinking also tours like now in. 572 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,520 I mean, obviously to be an international act, you have to 573 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,360 tour. Internationally. 574 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,040 Tour internationally. Makes sense? 575 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,640 I mean, duh. So again, looking at IRA stuff, 576 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,920 of course, like she's touring with Chris Brown, which 577 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,680 interesting choice you made there. 578 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,440 But I mean, it puts us, it puts her in front of like an 579 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,880 international for sure audience considering IRA stars from 580 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,720 Nigeria, right? We saw the the Madaraka 581 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,480 festival. I mean, that would put like 582 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,240 those names that were supposed to be there in the international 583 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,800 conversation, especially if they were able to like draw an 584 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,600 international audience. But you see, The thing is, the 585 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:16,680 thing about like the thing about touring internationally, what am 586 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,560 I trying to articulate here? I feel like there's a difference 587 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,960 between Mother Raka Festival and I will start touring with Chris 588 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,400 Brown because I will start touring with Chris Brown. 589 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,240 The audience is primarily Chris Brown's audience, which is an 590 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,440 American audience. Now. 591 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:40,120 Mother Raka Festival appeals to the diaspora, which is in 592 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,840 America. I mean, that's not really. 593 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:48,400 Like, yes, there's going to be a few like people there who are 594 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,800 like American or just from everywhere else, but mostly 595 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,640 you're kind of like performing. Do you get what I'm trying to 596 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,640 say? You're performing 2. 597 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,800 I mean, we don't people who I get what you're saying. 598 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,960 I get what you're saying. We don't know what the Madaraka 599 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,040 festival goal was. Yeah. 600 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,360 So I don't know whether do you or do you know? 601 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,240 But I know for a fact Madaraka festival is founded by a cat. 602 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,640 Yes, right. Who who's who's based out there, 603 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,920 right. And I feel like what they appeal 604 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,960 to because there's a huge market for the diaspora here who want 605 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,880 to well in America, who want to listen to music from back home 606 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,320 huge market. Trust me, it's huge. 607 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,560 But so that my argument is you're not really performing to 608 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:42,200 an audience that's completely like oblivious of your art new. 609 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,080 Audience and you audience. It's just that, yeah, it's 610 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,000 exactly, it's just that they they don't have access to you 611 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:57,200 because they're abroad, as opposed to like, having a whole 612 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,960 entire audience of foreigners. Do you know what I mean? 613 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,840 I don't know if I'm making. Sense it does. 614 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,400 I mean, yeah, yeah, I guess so I, I would think that there 615 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,520 might, I mean, there's definite balance that is, is for sure. 616 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,760 There's for sure people them marketing like diaspora people 617 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,600 who are who who are familiar with the names, but are just in 618 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,120 different parts, different parts of the world. 619 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,440 But I would think, let me just say this, I would think that 620 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,560 they would want to market it to new to new audiences, right? 621 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,679 Because it doesn't make sense just doing a show outside for 622 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,520 people who without getting like new fans, I would think that 623 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:40,679 there would be an an added. No, you'd hope you'd, you'd hope 624 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:42,360 for. It's an added bonus. 625 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,120 But I'm telling you, bro, primarily your whenever they say 626 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,719 they're doing shows abroad, they're primarily this is from 627 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,000 experience. They're primarily doing it to 628 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,920 the diaspora that's here. Yeah. 629 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,680 Oh yeah. Because like I'm, I'm, I'm not 630 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,640 going to lie, like most of the foreign, like there will be, 631 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,320 there will be like foreign, like foreigners in the audience. 632 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,680 That's a A+. And so you will get like new 633 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,400 listeners and new ears to your music, but they're not the 634 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,320 majority. That's just my only. 635 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,880 I mean like for sure. They're not the majority, Yeah. 636 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,600 So when you whenever you hear like a Kenyan is performing 637 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,000 abroad, it's mostly to a, to the diaspora. 638 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,440 It's it's not, it's not the other way around. 639 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,640 It's not majority. Diaspora and their friends. 640 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,800 Diaspora. The friends they bring along 641 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,760 from. The majority diaspora and then 642 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,840 their friends they bring along. Exactly. 643 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,960 But I mean, yeah, it's again, it's probably, and this will 644 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,680 lead, I guess into the next thing about that. 645 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,080 It's probably how you market it, right? 646 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,520 It's you could because you could market it to the, for example, 647 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,880 if we're talking about Madaraka Festival, you could market the 648 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,680 artists to the diasporans or you could market them to like a new 649 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,200 people with it depends on how it's just how you presented 650 00:35:54,200 --> 00:36:00,920 marketing is, is, is the other thing that that could put you in 651 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,760 that international conversation. Again, since we're using Arista 652 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,840 as an example, man, these guys have gone really hard on her 653 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,320 marketing. They have done a lot. 654 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,880 You've seen how with everyone, the show, the shows that Afan 655 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,720 was talking about, we've seen her on there, We've seen her 656 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,960 walking with, taking pictures with big artists. 657 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,360 We just marketing is really just putting, and we've had to talk 658 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,280 about this in my previous episode, just putting whatever 659 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,680 it is in front of your face so that you pay attention to it. 660 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,600 So it really depends on marketing to the international 661 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,360 audience means you start associating that artist with 662 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,040 international acts and in international spaces, 663 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,800 international shows, international being features on 664 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,280 songs and all that business, it's all part of the package. 665 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,560 But then marketing usually is a thing on its own. 666 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,800 So yeah, I don't know if you have anything to add on that. 667 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,360 Yeah. So do we have that right now? 668 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,480 Everything that we've just talked about do we as a country 669 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,440 have? We have elements of it. 670 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,760 I don't think we have it fully. I don't think we have an artist. 671 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:14,600 I don't think we have an artist who you can tell is like, that's 672 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,480 the goal, to be an international artist. 673 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,320 Like Bien said, he's just a lot of artists here. 674 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,480 Listen, I'm just trying to make music though. 675 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,120 I'm. Just, but I think bien is the 676 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,840 closest. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 677 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,760 He's the closest, his own running the farthest away from 678 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,160 it. But we have artists who we see 679 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:37,840 are they could be right. They have the sound. 680 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,840 They have there's there's artists with different elements. 681 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,320 It's it's a it's there's, it's like bingo. 682 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,000 Like we don't have the whole bingo bingo card. 683 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,000 Yeah, out, Yeah. But we do have we do have some 684 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,000 of them. It just takes it takes and of 685 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,560 course, now it's going to take a lot of people with teams just 686 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,880 curating your team. Well, we recently saw what's 687 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,440 what's the brother's name? What's the brother's name? 688 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,280 What's the brother's name? He just left sole generation. 689 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,560 I'm blanket and very listen to some very trying to take on a 690 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,880 more a team that looks like they could be pushing for an 691 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,320 international, you know, so it takes that like being 692 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,680 intentional about pushing. Which sparks the question like 693 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:20,320 to be an international artist, do you also need international 694 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,320 like artist? Management. 695 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,320 Services like from, yeah, whether it's management, whether 696 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,320 it's distribution, whether it's PR. 697 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,120 Distribution would be huge. You kind of do. 698 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,120 For the music, right, Yeah, you need to be distribution would 699 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,240 be. I think you kind of do. 700 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,840 You do No for sure. Because you have to be talking. 701 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,040 Because even if it's just plain, if you just talk about something 702 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,080 as simple as playlisting, like the the playlisters who are 703 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,640 based out in America or in Europe, like you have to have 704 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,400 somebody on the ground to kind of tell them, yo, by the way, we 705 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,320 have this artist who's dropping. Maybe you want to put them on 706 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,680 your playlist over here. So you do need international 707 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,800 like. Distribution. 708 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:07,440 You need a team that's that's purposefully thinking about 709 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,560 putting you in an International Space. 710 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,800 And they don't have to be international people, of course, 711 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,120 you don't have to go and grab people from there. 712 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,960 It's just whoever you have has to have that mindset of, OK, 713 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,520 we're trying to push this artist. 714 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,440 I mean our borders kind of thing. 715 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,880 And that's why for me, I say Zinnia is on the way to being 716 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,720 that because obviously even if you see the way that they move, 717 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,920 like her manager isn't really based in Kenya. 718 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:39,000 So like they are, it's it's really kind of hard to like 719 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,720 scale up to that level if that's your goal, if you're like 720 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:47,680 primarily just very hyper local. But that that that being said, I 721 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,360 don't think being an international artist is the the 722 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:53,000 end. No, it it's not, it's not a 723 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,920 industry. It's not, it's a type of 724 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,360 success. It's not the only type of 725 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,160 success, right? You can be successful as a 726 00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:58,880 local. Exactly. 727 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,560 It's a type of success. Yeah, exactly. 728 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,480 And for a lot of people, they're absolutely fine with that. 729 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,920 And by the way, there's absolutely nothing wrong with 730 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,400 like, no? I mean, there's people who have 731 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:15,080 great careers who have not seen a show in wherever so. 732 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,720 Exactly. Interesting. 733 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,440 Yeah, well, what a conversation. Yeah, the. 734 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,040 Where else? Where else? 735 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,200 Where else would you get such deep dives? 736 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,040 Nowhere else. Nowhere else can you get such 737 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,760 succinct, poignant and meaning. Poignant. 738 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,280 Conversations. I don't know why that. 739 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,480 Word. Just this is a weird word to me. 740 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,840 Poignant. Poignant, I know. 741 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,280 I guess there wasn't really much happening on the news. 742 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,840 Unless you want to jump jump into who, who had a baby with 743 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,400 who, and who broke up with you. Would you like to? 744 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,120 Would you like to know about that alpham? 745 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,560 Because boy, do I have some news for you. 746 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,360 No thanks. Oh, I'm good. 747 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,800 Did you see Dave Chappelle was in Kenya? 748 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,320 Talk about new music. I did. 749 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,400 I did. That was that was the most quiet 750 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,400 entry I've ever had. Is he has the? 751 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,400 Show No, but that's his MO. When it did. 752 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,120 Yeah, it did. It happened when I when I heard 753 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,120 it was happening, I had no doubt it was happening because I had 754 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,520 some people like when the news broke, I had some people were 755 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:23,960 like, Nah, this this, this is Camille. 756 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,120 I was like, Nah, this is for like, because that's how Dave 757 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,160 Chappelle moves. He likes to do random things 758 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,360 like this. And I was like, this is it 759 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,000 perfectly in his in his like lexicon or whatever? 760 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,600 It's dope. There's no recorded recorded 761 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,760 footage. I do like that. 762 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,680 Come to my show and listen to me and that's fine. 763 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,400 Bring out your phone please. Exactly so that's how it should 764 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,280 be. So I can't wait to see this. 765 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,120 If the if there's going to be a special and like they include 766 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,240 the footage from that, I can't wait to see it, but like it's 767 00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:56,360 dope. I like it. 768 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,720 Shout out to shout out to Mr. Dave Chappelle. 769 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,120 Mr. Dave Chappelle Yeah, man, do we get into. 770 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,120 Music. New music, Sam. 771 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,880 Yeah, maybe I can go first. I was thinking, Oh yeah, I need 772 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,560 to shout out this project because I forgot to shout it out 773 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,200 last week. This is his Streets, which is an 774 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,960 album by Chevy, Kev and Giru, so shout out to them for their 775 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,120 release one. Also shout in the same realm 776 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,000 Lucorito released Agent Mugumbe 3. 777 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:33,040 Shout out to Lucorito. Dangerous. 778 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,840 Dangerous to That was an instrumental. 779 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,040 Yeah. Instrumental. 780 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,440 You'd know him most people would know his yeah, most people would 781 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,960 know his work from Maya Molo. He works a lot with Maya Molo. 782 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,560 So if you listen to the if you listen to the to to her music, 783 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,760 you you've definitely had his production. 784 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,520 So new music, Maya my paradise by Karoon. 785 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,880 So she she's going to release like a a full length project 786 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:09,040 with hook and GR exclamation point. 787 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,560 So my paradise is one song on there. 788 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,680 So shout out to them. There were skies have cleared by 789 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,560 M Rumbi and Leah April. So that came out. 790 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,320 M Rumbi was doing his thing as always. 791 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:30,320 There was a Virgin Denim by Turunesh Karoon and Mao from 792 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,120 Nowhere. Shout out to them. 793 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,760 Very experimental shack, especially with the vocals and 794 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,640 everything. Like I was like whoa, this is a 795 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:47,640 this is an experience. There was there was Ushawai by 796 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,280 Mejia. His storytelling as always is on 797 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,120 par with what it's always been. And he's always like, he always 798 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:04,320 has a tendency to make bangers. Do you think Major needs to kind 799 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,360 of like, because I feel like he's released a bunch of music 800 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,760 that sounds it's very major, like, do you think he needs to 801 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,640 do anything differently or should he just like, because 802 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,600 what he does works and it works very well? 803 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,840 It's yeah. I mean, that's a question. 804 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,800 Me as a producer, for me, if I was, if I was sending him beats, 805 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,800 I'd try and send him something different. 806 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,800 Sound like the old Caliph records? 807 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:28,920 Yeah, like the old. No. 808 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,040 I'd like to go back. You want to go backwards. 809 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,840 Like sound to the yeah to the. Old are you just trying to add, 810 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,320 because this is like an ad for Affirm. 811 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,400 This was like an Affirm ad. It's like an Affirm ad. 812 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,920 You're not slick. You're not slick. 813 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,280 I can see what you're doing like about Do you think? 814 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,520 Do you think he needs to get on old Caliph beats after the past 815 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:49,920 three podcasts? I'm joking though. 816 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,600 No, but seriously, do you? I feel like you feel the same 817 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,080 way. Maybe he needs, I don't know. 818 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,440 I would have to figure out what his goal is. 819 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,320 Yeah, because his music does sound very similar in terms of 820 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,520 subject matter and just how he presented. 821 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:10,080 Like he doesn't really step out of the circle, which a lot of 822 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,880 people love him for, but he doesn't really step out of that 823 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,520 room to do other things. It'll be interesting seeing him 824 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,480 and I don't know what he would jump on next, but it'd be 825 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,760 interesting seeing him maybe collaborate. 826 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,640 Maybe you could start collaborating with different 827 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,560 artists on different types of sounds and see what's like 828 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,360 comfortable and then do that. But maybe he's very, again, he 829 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,640 could be just comfortable doing major and there's nothing we can 830 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,560 say about it, right? Usha Wai is major, yeah. 831 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,280 Usha, why? Usha, why? 832 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,080 Why? Then there was, I listened to, 833 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,560 I'm just going to shout out two more songs that I listened to. 834 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,240 There was music. No, no, before I even go to 835 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:52,440 that, there was Joy Candy by Groovy Joe. 836 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:57,080 I really like that song. Shout out to Groovy. 837 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:03,840 Groovy has bars for days. And yeah, shout out to everyone 838 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:09,000 at ADF and keep it pale. So shout out to Groovy man, Joy 839 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,640 Candy. And then I guess the thing I 840 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:21,280 listened to last was music to Step 2 by Mr. Cap Carpenter. 841 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,680 It was Cap Cap move like metro he booming. 842 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,320 What else is he known as, Sam? Do you know any other monikers 843 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,800 for Cap? Anyway, someone knows that as 844 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:41,520 Mike Michael, Mike Mikey, Mikey. So shout out to to cap he he 845 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,800 released music to Step 2 music to Step 2. 846 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:50,280 This is the second project from this like what do you call it? 847 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,880 What do you what do you call it an edition? 848 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,320 No second edition of his. What do you call it when 849 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,440 somebody does has like a bunch of projects that follow the same 850 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,920 theme? Sequel. 851 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,520 Do we call them sequels and. Music. 852 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:07,640 Well, it's the sequel. Is it like a franchise? 853 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,400 I don't know. Anyway, yeah, this is the sequel 854 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:17,520 to the first one, so it has five songs, all very, very short. 855 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:21,840 The longest song here is one minute, 49 seconds. 856 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,440 I love it. I love. 857 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,440 It that's your thing. Inject that into my soul, inject 858 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,480 that into my veins and love short songs. 859 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,520 I, because I have a really short attention span, do. 860 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,960 You be repeating them because then it still becomes a long 861 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,880 song. But that's the thing though, 862 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,040 yeah, you repeat it because it's fire. 863 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,240 Do you know what I mean? So it has such, it really has 864 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:47,440 such dope replay. Value I still feel like give me 865 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,360 give me a list more like some of the songs I listened to it and 866 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,720 what did you see? It was fading out. 867 00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:57,200 I'm like, bro, I've not even gotten into please, but hey bro, 868 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,560 it's it's it's what's. Going on though Pink Patras was 869 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,320 in the Pink Patras was in the news recently because she said 870 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,240 she only makes songs that are like 2 minutes and she was like 871 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:11,960 a song does not need a bridge and she. 872 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,880 She was absolutely my. I saw that. 873 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,440 Yeah, she was dragged. On, on, on the timeline. 874 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,040 And Mia was there like, listen, have you ever like, seen 875 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,040 somebody express? Exactly. 876 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:23,880 What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 877 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,920 What, you think and get flamed and now you have to just sit 878 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,720 there in silence and see them? You're like oh man. 879 00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:34,760 But I I second that though like my views too. 880 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,080 I was like, yeah, but like, I couldn't even say anything. 881 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:39,360 I I just. Had to you should have like I 882 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,480 thought you should. I thought you should have been 883 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,600 bored and gone like hey, hey, hey, guys, leave her alone. 884 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,080 Don't you know this girl is she's your you should have done 885 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,480 a little bit. You're just cowering. 886 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,720 Disappointed in you, man. Disappointed. 887 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,280 Anyway, so anyway, so back to cap. 888 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,080 So this project features Jovi Jove, Gashu, Gaza Hotti, Vardi, 889 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:03,040 so Ali Pappy and a combo as well as I'll busy. 890 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,200 I really like this. This is my focus like project of 891 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,600 the week. I really gave this a dope 892 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,440 lesson. It's what you expect from Cap 893 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,560 starting with the strings in the beginning. 894 00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:17,760 Like you can see bro, like Sam said he's found contact. 895 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,400 Yo, don't, yo, don't put me on blast like that. 896 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,960 I think it's about. Contact, yeah, don't put me on 897 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:22,800 blast like that. That's. 898 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,560 Play. No, no, that's the playground 899 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,520 from you. Don't do that. 900 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,320 I didn't say hey those, I didn't say that. 901 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:29,800 OK, now that's a lie. I did. 902 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,520 I did say that. Profound. 903 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,560 Contacts But yeah, like you can see Cap is actually like trying 904 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,720 to, it's trying, it's trying to progress and then obviously 905 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:39,960 every song makes it to the next song. 906 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,920 I love that. No, it's not shade. 907 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,400 It's not shade. It's just because we understand 908 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,000 what's happening because we are producers as well. 909 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,400 The drums are hitting well, but the biggest thing for me that I 910 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:55,280 noticed is his mixing in terms of like the vocals is levelling 911 00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,200 up at a immense pace. So like, listen, I don't know 912 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,280 what's going to stop this kid, but like the only thing that's 913 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,040 going to stop his progression is in his is himself, because like 914 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,200 honestly, if he keeps on putting out projects like this man, he's 915 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,000 I don't know, I think his progression is just going to be 916 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,960 insane. So shout out to that. 917 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,960 That's all I listen to this we. Yep, I just mentioned a couple 918 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,560 more I listen to. It's a track by a kid called 919 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,240 Billy Kevin called Brother 2 Freestyle, which is interesting. 920 00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:33,760 I'm I guess he's he's just he's a budding artist and he's a 921 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,640 rapper. It was interesting to listen to. 922 00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:39,160 I like listening to rappers who are coming up and just seeing 923 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,280 when you listen to rappers with hunger and they still want to 924 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,000 prove themselves. It's just fresh. 925 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,960 It's it's nice like a lemon. It's like a lemon squeeze over a 926 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:54,280 fish finger. You heard it here first. 927 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,000 It's a lemon squeeze over a fish finger. 928 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,920 Finger Yeah. So anyway, it's it's it's that 929 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,480 was cool. What else? 930 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,600 Maybe not much. I was King Kaka and Keepsang 931 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,000 dropped the song called Chirrup. That was cool. 932 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,400 I don't know if you mentioned it. 933 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,640 Trio Mio Furthermore and 0 Sufuri dropped Rangua. 934 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:17,040 It was interesting to listen to that from the trio. 935 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,960 The trio including Trio Mio. Look what I did. 936 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,560 Pumoja sounds stage up in music, so that was cool. 937 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:27,200 I always love listening to that. Bridget Blue released a song 938 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,640 called Weapon. That was interesting. 939 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:30,960 Bridget, it was interesting. I don't know. 940 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:32,840 I don't know whether I should put it maybe. 941 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,160 But then she had a song drop in Yashinsky that they took down. 942 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,400 I don't know what the deal with that because now she's releasing 943 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,360 other music and she hasn't released that one even though it 944 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,480 released a couple of times. So I don't know what's happening 945 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,560 there. The case of the lost song, yes, 946 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:52,360 but that was that the the song I would want to play and highlight 947 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,040 because again I went for a show. Martin Gesser. 948 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,400 Martin Gesser is incredible man. His his voice is just very, it 949 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,560 sounds very mature, just how he presented. 950 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,040 It's really cool. He reads a song called Muse now. 951 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:10,440 Muse was the song he performed when Colours was here, but he I 952 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,480 guess we have the studio version now. 953 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,880 So it's very incredible, man. It's very it's acoustic. 954 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:23,320 The guitars are on point, the mixing is great, songwriting his 955 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,240 presentation, it was just it's a really good song. 956 00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:29,720 So I just want to highlight that and play that for y'all. 957 00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:36,960 If AFAM would allow. What do you mean if I would 958 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,960 allow it so I'm not there? What? 959 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,800 I want you to say no so that we can, we can. 960 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,320 That makes yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes that no, no, that 961 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,360 makes me sound like a tyrant, like nothing moves and nothing. 962 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,280 Moves, yeah, that's how this podcast is run. 963 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,360 I don't know if you guys can hear it. 964 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:50,960 That's now I'm kidding. Let's let's not do let's not 965 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,800 start that narrative because you know we start narratives. 966 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,400 People just get running narratives now. 967 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,120 Look at the narrative, look at the narrative. 968 00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,440 And somebody is going to, somebody is going to like, 969 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:00,640 listen. To actually, then they're like, 970 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,160 oh, wait, yeah, actually hear it, You know, because, yeah, 971 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,640 even how Affirm speaks and how no, guys, you're wrong, you're 972 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:07,200 wrong. This is. 973 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:14,440 Anyway, this is Muse by the talented Matt Gesser. 974 00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:36,840 News. There's something different in 975 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:41,800 the news. There's something different in 976 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:54,080 the air. Barely letting us go, Muse. 977 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,640 There's something different in the water. 978 00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,720 The water body swimming and irrigating Car. 979 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:15,880 Car now barely letting us go. If this is all we have together, 980 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:26,520 I hope what we had is enough. La La La, La, La, La, La, La, 981 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:48,520 La, La, La, La, La, La La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La 982 00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:02,400 La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La La. 983 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,520 Locked in your tower, kept in your key. 984 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:14,840 You let your head down for me. Let your head down. 985 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:20,800 There's something tragic in the water, the water body swimming 986 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:29,320 in, irrigating God. You let your hair down for me. 987 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:39,920 All we have together, OK? I hope what we had is enough. 988 00:55:42,080 --> 00:56:14,760 I hope what we had is enough. None, 989 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,000 It's 2:00 AM and I'm very pretty. 990 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,600 It's 3:00 AM. I'm searching for meaning. 991 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:51,480 It's 4:00 AM. I'm wondering where to sleep is. 992 00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:01,440 It's 1:00 AM. I'm definitely leaving you 993 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:20,360 again. News. 994 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,600 There's something different in the news. 995 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:33,360 There's something different in the air. 996 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,800 That it was Muse by Martin Gessa. 997 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,680 Lovely, lovely, lovely sounds. Shout out to match man. 998 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,040 He's doing good music and I really match is the other artist 999 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,200 who I think would really go international if if he gets like 1000 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,120 the right team, because he's he's incredible man. 1001 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,080 He's incredible. So shout out to him. 1002 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:25,880 Shout. Out to him. 1003 00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:32,440 Episode 70. Yo 9 down the can bro, we're 1004 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,120 really zooming. We zoomed through the. 70 can. 1005 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,240 That's for sure. Man, I can't believe when I 1006 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,680 can't believe. We are in the 80s already but 1007 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,760 shout out to you guys for sticking with us. 1008 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,480 Back to the Future. If you get the reference, we 1009 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:50,840 wouldn't. I don't mean what? 1010 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,720 Now if I tried it, so we're you can't believe we're in the 80s. 1011 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,760 The 80s is the future, but the 80s is also back. 1012 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,760 It's a, it's a clever pun, but now it's not clever because. 1013 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,600 Oh, did you say Back to the Future? 1014 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,400 Oh, I get the reference. Never mind. 1015 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,000 Was being slow. Guys, I'm sorry. 1016 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,480 I'm so sorry for being a slowpo. Yeah. 1017 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,680 I just want to say thank you for listening to this podcast and 1018 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,840 supporting us. We wouldn't be doing this if it 1019 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:22,120 wasn't for y'all. In keeping with my tradition, I 1020 00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:26,240 want to just remind you guys, the three CS man, always be 1021 00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:30,600 confident in your work because confidence is everything. 1022 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:35,680 You can be confident and just see all the doors open for you. 1023 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:41,000 So shout out to confidence and then consistency. 1024 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,000 You have to be consistent, you have to be releasing on a 1025 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,360 consistent basis. People have to be seeing you 1026 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,760 consistently. It's just the way the music 1027 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,920 industry is today because there's so much going on. 1028 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,880 So much if. You decide to stay in the 1029 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,040 shadows. You will be forgotten. 1030 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,840 I can tell you for a fact, you will be forgotten. 1031 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,720 And lastly, your craft. Work on your craft every single 1032 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,240 day. Just build your craft. 1033 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:16,280 Just always strive to improve. You know, like increment, small 1034 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:21,800 incremental, like improvements are so clutch in this industry 1035 01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:26,120 and they'll take you a far, they'll take you a long way, 1036 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,280 they'll take you a far away. What the What am I saying? 1037 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:29,560 Anyway, I'm. Tired. 1038 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,360 It's the end of the point. That's what you're saying. 1039 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,160 Yeah, I understand. I'm with you, bro. 1040 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,600 Don't worry. Yeah. 1041 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,200 Oh wait, I just remembered something. 1042 01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,120 Go ahead. This is your platform. 1043 01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,440 Tell me you watched Lord of the Rings. 1044 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:46,720 Tell me. I was hoping you wouldn't bring 1045 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,360 it up. So that's episode 287017. 1046 01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,160 You didn't? No, I, I, I, I thought about 1047 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,960 watching it then I did not. The week flew by. 1048 01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,000 This is me giving all the excuses. 1049 01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,760 You've let us all down, Sam. You have Sam. 1050 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:02,520 You know what? I'm not even angry. 1051 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:03,320 I'm. Just shame on me. 1052 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:04,360 Shame on me. I know. 1053 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:05,760 Shame me. Shame me. 1054 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,440 Please. I I agree to be shamed. 1055 01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,200 I procrastinated. I procrastinated in watching it 1056 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,520 because I should have watched it and maybe I should have listened 1057 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,480 to the words of Abraham Lincoln, the great philosopher and 1058 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,320 former. I was supposed to get flagrant. 1059 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,920 Let me not say that the great philosopher Abraham Lincoln, he 1060 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,320 says you, you can't escape the responsibility of tomorrow by 1061 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,680 evading it today. And that's what I did the whole 1062 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,920 week with Lord of the Rings. So if you guys do not want to be 1063 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,160 like me, oh, that's so smart, Don't procrastinate. 1064 01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,840 Don't escape responsibility. Get it done. 1065 01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,160 Do the music. Do the like half. 1066 01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,560 I'm saying the three C's. Do the three C's now just get it 1067 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:47,680 done. You're not doing much. 1068 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,160 Get off your phone. Hey hey, close TikTok. 1069 01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,640 It won't miss you. I promised. 1070 01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,240 Put down the ID, it won't miss you. 1071 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,240 Get to the music. You're speaking to me right now. 1072 01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,840 Some you're speaking to me. Put down, put down. 1073 01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,480 You don't need to refresh Twitter every two minutes. 1074 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:07,400 You've not missed anything major and, and people don't be doing 1075 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:08,880 anything. They just refresh and they don't 1076 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,240 even look. Have you noticed that we don't 1077 01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,240 even look at the posts? We just bookmark them and then 1078 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,320 look, we're going to get into it later because that's what I do. 1079 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,720 I don't I and I've not gone back to my bookmarks. 1080 01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,720 OK, no, I I've been looking at the I look at the post I. 1081 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:25,240 Don't know whether that's better or worse, but anyways man, it's 1082 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,280 just get to it. Just get to doing the thing and 1083 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,840 stop waiting for Stop waiting for the stars to align before 1084 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:36,120 you shine. Woo, stop waiting for the stars 1085 01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,280 to align before you shine. And with that, we're going to 1086 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:47,720 sign out with this was episode 79 of the podcast and we shall 1087 01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,520 see you guys on episode 80. We out.