For me, the biggest alarm bells are some that there there must
be so much money that's being made because why are they
squabbling over this so much? Like they're fighting tooth and
nail to be the to be the sole collector.
And rather shamelessly to. Our royalties, that means that
there's a lot of income coming in, by the way.
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AFAM, what's going on? Nothing much man, just chilling
yeah it's it is it's been hot weather over here in Texas yeah
man. But like me personally, I'm
doing fine. Just you know, it's with the the
week after we had a release. So just doing post release
activities. I'm working on a bunch of music
and yeah, just just just the usual.
Is there anything interesting that happens in your life apart
from music stuff? Because your wiki is so.
No, not really not. Oh man, no, that was so sad.
Yeah, sending, sending thoughts, sending thoughts and prayers to
you bro. Thanks.
Thoughts and prayers. On the contrary, it's really
cold over here. Super cold.
Today was ridiculously cold. I hate it.
I just want to say. Yeah.
But I mean, it's it's, it's, it's June.
It's. Around that time, it's a bit
early though. Seems like it's a bit early for
the cold, but yeah. Nah, the cold is supposed to be
hitting in June. Cold is not supposed to be
hitting at all. Yeah, man.
Yeah. I'm cool too.
I had a super interesting week. Was in the studio earlier with I
was in the studio earlier with this very, very talented yo.
I just want to say if you find for the producers out there, if
you find an artist who sings and and off just the demo, they
don't need no auto tune. They're hitting all the notes.
You just be grateful and glad because those are rare.
I was in the studio with Chris. Chris Barr is an incredibly
talented vocalist. We're getting some stuff done,
which I'm excited about. That was cool.
I also after my mother, am I allowed to talk about this?
I also I also met First off, let me just say Afam is Mr. Humble.
This guy is so humble. This guy undersold this guy
undersold undersold his people to me.
I I met Afam's Afam's pops. The, I was going to say the
original, the original Alpha Alpham Spops.
And I told them that when you, when you meet people's parents,
there's things that you just noticed.
And I noticed that Alpham and his dad have the same like gait.
It's a weird thing to notice. I just notice how people walk.
I guess that's some weird like that, but they have the same
sort of gait when they're walking.
I believe that claim. It's true, It's true.
Yeah, Met, met with with his dad, who is a legend in his own
right. Alpham undersold, undersold him
to me. I won't get into, I won't put
his business out there, but it was a really, really dope,
insightful meeting. Very insightful.
I learned a lot about life and AFAM.
It was super cool. Wait.
You learned a lot about me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of
course. Come on, you think I was just
going to go there to talk about the weather?
I was going to collect some info.
What did you learn? Research.
Research and development. R and.
D like what? I'm not giving to you, giving it
to you on the board. No, this is my armor to.
Useful later. No, no, no, no, no, no.
That's not how this works. No, no, that's not how.
You can't. You can't do that.
That's. Not how this works bro, just
just it will come out so. You're using it as armor yes
listen, if you guys are listening to this right now, you
can see this is. Look at you, you always do that.
You always done. You always done to the people
when you. Yes, exactly, exactly.
I will weaponize the audience. I'm weaponizing the audience
right now. I already have my information as
my weapon, so I don't care. But yeah, I know.
That was super cool. Shout out to your pups.
Very, very, very, very inspirational story.
He has So nice. Yeah, that was nice.
What else? Nah, man, I was.
I've been exhausted. I've been sleeping a lot more.
I don't know what that's about. I'm just tired.
Just tired. Just tired.
It's ridiculous. I need to get my energy up, need
to get my energy up, need to be outside.
But yeah, that's that, man. What do we start with?
So we are going to start with
some Kenyan news. That's big news that we've kind
of been following for the past few months, and it has been
bubbling under the surface. There's a lot of stuff that has
been happening. You know, the tension has been
increasing. The you know, like just the
conversation. The whispers have turned into
shouts that are now. The whispers have turned into
shouts. I wonder how Peter Drury does
this man. He's on the go to.
I think he just has a. Bunch of phrases he's.
Written down that he just be checking out.
He must feel like that because that's he must.
You can't be a point anyway like that.
So the big news is that finally, after months of fighting and
squabbling, they've decided on one single collective management
organization to rule them all, and they are taking on a new
name. Listen, you know how like when a
king is crowned, when a king, they take on a name?
Yeah, yeah, they take on a name. Like maybe your name was Joseph
but you decide no, I'm going to be Edward the 1st.
Your name isn't even. Edward.
Yeah. Your name isn't even Edward.
They have taken on a new name, guys.
They are going to be called PAV Risk.
What does PAV Risk mean, you ask?
Sam, do you want to know what PAV?
Risk means let's go, let's do it.
I mean, we're already here. It means the Performing and
Audio Visual Rights Society of Kenya, formerly Prisk.
So as we had reported before, you know there are three or
there used to be 3 CMOS in Kenya, namely Prisk, MCSK and
Camp. MCSK was Drake, Prisk was Mr.
Kendrick and camp the boogie was Oh my God, we actually no, we
actually got it spot on. No, did we?
Because camp was always J. Cole, right?
And and and we said that and listen.
Kendrick one and Brisk 1. Oh, look at that.
This is this is this is some spooky stuff, spooky stuff here
at the I. Know we called it, but let me
just what do you call them? The people who who tell people's
futures. We are fortune tellers.
We are. So anyway, we're not fortune
tellers. During during a special meeting
held on 6th June to deliberate on the licensing of CMOS for the
current year, the Board has awarded or the Board awarded A1
year license to PAV Risk, formerly Prisk and instructed it
to begin to begin royalty collection immediately.
However, Paavrisk will not manage publishing and film
producer rights for the time being.
So the Board called on all stakeholders to offer support
and ensure a smooth transition, saying the decision was made to
cure the wrangles between the CMOS and to make it easy to
regulate the affairs of royalty collection and distribution.
Now, one of the things that they're kind of like saying is
that previously we've had a decentralized kind of system
where three collective management organizations were,
you know, engaging in collecting our royalties.
But they are kind of saying that by streamlining it into just one
of them or just like, you know, yeah, exactly.
Just making it just one organization that a lot of
redundancies will be done away with.
So whereas, you know, all these people were being employed to
essentially just do the same thing or something extremely
similar, Why not just have one of them do the same thing?
And in my opinion, like that on the surface makes sense some,
don't you think? So it makes it makes a little
bit of sense because it makes sense.
It's OK. Yeah.
You, you, it's it's easy to hold one, one person accountable,
then to start doing running around trying to gather all
three of them to it's yeah, it's makes sense.
Yeah, and I mean, there's an argument here saying that like,
okay, like even with with all the money that's collected,
which by the way is supposed to go to the rights shareholders,
AKA the artists, and they've been using a large amount of
that money to pay the employees of the administrative.
Purposes. Yeah, that's what they like to
say by doing away with all the extra fluff.
That's not required then, therefore technically.
Technically. A lot more money should be saved
and a lot more of that money should be channelled into the
right, you know, into the the right shareholders technically.
But Sam has all stories that are interesting.
There was a spanner in the works with A twist.
J. Cole was feeling left out bro.
He was kind of like brah, like what about me?
You know. And J.
Cole is camp in this situation we want to record and so he went
to record Griffey. So anyway, essentially camp are
not happy with this and are actually considering taking
Kekobo to court over this decision because they said that
in naturally they said in past. No, they've also said so.
Angela Dambuki, who is Cam's chairperson said that the
process in every way conceivable was outrightly discriminatory
and the board has failed to provide reasons for declining
Cam's application. A society that has consistently
improved its distribution to its rights shareholders, with the
latest at 61% of CM OS income and passed the overall good
government, good governance test.
Prisk, on the other hand, has not distributed Ascent in the
past two years and has failed to even hold elections as required
of all CMOS. Cam said that in past forensic
audit reports, including its most recent report in 2023,
Kacobo had flagged what it's termed as embezzlement of rights
shareholders funds by Prisks management and its management
board and raised similar concerns when Prisk applied to
renew its operating license. In a letter dated 13th May 2024,
Kobo questioned Prisk on the status of royalty distribution
to its members for 2023. Now, this actually looks
legitimate because like some we've we've talked about it and
yeah, I think Camp according to what we've been reading have
distributed the most when it comes to the three CMOS that we
have in terms of like when we talk about, yeah, allegedly when
we talk about like in proportion to what they receive.
Yeah, right. Which they were collecting in
60. 40 I think it was. Yeah, they, they, they, they,
they, they submitted 61% to its right shareholders, 61% of what
they collected and 39% was used for administrative purposes,
which by the way, I still disagree with.
But anyway, I think that also. So listen, essentially guys,
listen if you're listening to this podcast right now, we are
screwed because either way you look at.
It we agree. In nest, no, there's listen,
Sam, there is of course, look look like Prisk don't look very
credible right now. They haven't paid anyone for two
years and then well, Prisk as it was because Pavrisk hasn't even
had time to do anything right. So now essentially what's
happened is camp is claiming that Prisk, who are the crooks
in their story have made friends with the people that pick and
kind of and they're and then and they're now in cahoots.
They're now in cahoots to embezzle even more funds because
now the pot has significantly gone up.
Because there's they owned the pot.
One player to ship to the house they won yeah they won yeah so
so so essentially that's messed up because it means that we're
essentially like in a situation where we like how how like how
do they give the the keys to the city to the least credible of
them of the three the. Bomb on the streets, you know?
What I mean, Yeah, yeah. You give.
Essentially, that's what they did.
That's essentially what they did.
They give it to the least credible 1.
So essentially now, uh huh. No, I'm saying I'm before you
continue, I'm I'm I'm I do understand they have a little
bit of of proof and backing, but I don't know if I'm 100%
believing camps, camps little tirade here.
I don't know because they. They could also be just trying
to like. Because look at it if MCSK one
with with camp also have brought up the same story.
Anyone else who had warned? No, but they would try and find
out. They'd probably try and find a
different angle. Yeah.
So it's it's just it's this is an every man for himself type
thing, which is, which is scary because the artists are the ones
who are going to suffer, but. For me, the biggest alarm bells
are some that there there must be so much money that's being
made because why are they squabbling over this so much?
Like they're fighting tooth and nail to be the to be the sole
collector and rather shamelessly to our royalties.
That means that there's a lot of income coming in, by the way.
I mean, yeah, we've seen some of those numbers too.
We've seen some of the numbers of of of the revenue that could
be gotten from from the music. So, and it's, it's quite a bit.
It's quite a lot actually. It's actually quite scary.
These guys are fighting over our
hard earned money and and now it's gone to the worst of them
all. This is like when Professor
Umbridge became the Does any of you watch Harry Potter?
When do you say there's any of you?
You're saying me because you're talking to me.
Are you talking to the fans? Anyway, no, I was talking to the
fans. If there's anybody out there who
I'm pretty. Sure.
No, I'm pretty sure we have some some crossover between the 30%
and and Harry Potter. This is what's this is what's
this is what's happening right now, man, Like we are this are
testing times. This is like book seven when
after Dumbledore died and now the school was in disarray.
Anyway, if you're a Harry Potter fan, you know, like because who
knows, Prisk could be the bad guys after a camp could actually
be camp could actually be saying the truth.
Or maybe they're not. Maybe they're also just power
hungry and money hungry and want it all for themselves.
That's the thing, Sam, we don't know either way.
Either way we look, we really lose it the the artists, the
artists. Are the ones we're going to lose
on this? Every, every time these guys
come out to to to talk, it's it just leaves us with more
questions. It's just like what what's going
on now? We have someone selected and
then we have, I mean we have a ACMO selected and everybody now
is, well, not everybody, but camp.
I don't know what what MCSK is doing.
Maybe they're planning their own.
Yeah, I, I, I, I honestly don't know what it's.
Ridiculous. It's ridiculous.
All I know it's craziness. All I know is a significant
amount of money must be like be in consideration because.
Why would they wouldn't be fighting so seriously?
You think they're fighting over this?
RT for the for for the sake of the artist.
Yeah, so that we can, they can. This is what do you call it
distributes with integrity and and and just all fairness now,
bro. Nope, Nope.
That's that 39 percent is, is is a lot of money for somebody, is
a lot of money for someone. And that's how it is.
And like we said, and like we even said before, that 39
percent is 39 percent of a figure that they probably just
drew up that 39%. Like the 100% that they're
working on could even be 50% of what's actually been collected.
So the 39% could be 39% of 50%, which means we're essentially
earning like, do you get what I'm trying to say?
Like like we could have been lied to.
Or rather, the artist could be making 60.
Percent. That's my whole. 50%, that's my
whole. Actually been collected.
We just don't know. That's my whole thing.
When, when, when we're asking, when, when they asked the MCSK
chairman about his numbers and, and what those numbers are.
And he said that he's not going to, he, he's not at liberty to
share those numbers. And he was still giving us the
percentages like we don't know. We don't, we are believing what
they tell us. Like the artists have no we have
no power and no accountability. If you think about it, Sam, it's
the easiest con. If you think about it like you
get 100% of something as the collector, right?
And then you just say, you know what we'll do?
Let's give them 70% and make them think that's 100%.
We keep the 30%. And then even of that 70%, let's
say we're going to give. That's evil.
Yeah, yeah. Well, that's that is.
And so now we we are all up in arms to.
And then now when they say, you know what, OK, fine, that 39% we
were taking for administrative purposes might have been too
much, Yeah, OK, only takes 20% and gives you 80% then now as we
are happy now, but listen, we're getting 80% of 70%.
Do you get making sense? So now we are happy.
We're happy. We're happily being finessed
now, because now you think, Oh yeah, we we're supporting.
Them in the. Finesse.
They're still stealing. They're still stealing because
they haven't told you. They haven't disclosed how much
actually collecting. We are supporting the finesse is
what we are doing. And that's horrible.
That's horrible because now we can't even trust.
We can't even trust anything because they have set a
precedent of us. Just like not knowing what's.
Really challenge. I challenge these guys to
actually put out the numbers. Hey, give us a document.
You know how like people audit the companies, audit themselves
and still stuff? Yeah.
I still wouldn't believe it. We need like a fully independent
company, company that's not even like from Kenya who has no like
allegiance to anybody to do the set.
But that's the problem. They have no allegiance.
They have no allegiance to any and they're going to be spending
money doing all of this. So they have to have some sort
of, or someone has to, someone probably from this side has to
trigger that and say, hey, I have enough power come and do
this. We need to audit because we care
about the artists and everything, but until that is
done, this all of the MCSK is going to come out with their own
issues now and then they're going to it's yeah, I'm tired of
talking about it. I mean, we have to report about
it because it's important, but we're not honestly, man, I'm.
I'm honesty really I'm just at this point, you guys, you guys
have it, man. We're going to fight it to the
death. They.
Are they are? But like, oh wait, you said we
are. Let me change that.
We should, artists should. We should stop just sitting
around like we, we need, we need to, we need to start making
noise, make some noise about this thing.
Because because this guy's, this guy's think we're dumb.
Yeah, a lot of it I think also because I think a lot of it is
artists don't necessarily know the insurance and outs of how
this stuff works. And so it's better to it's very
surface information on what they should know in terms of just
like music or business education, right?
So again, it's just, it's a, it's a PSA out all that is just
to go and learn about all this stuff so that you know, exactly
like once, I, I promise you, once you learn a little bit
about music business and you see how how these guys have been
conducting themselves, you, you might be up in arms too.
It's ridiculous, but. The music business is so com
bruh learning even me like it's so confusing man.
I feel like there's just so many.
It's confusing on purpose. It's.
Confusing on purpose I think. Because it just opens up so many
avenues to like, you know, the the less, the less concrete it
is, the easier like it is to just like, Yep, kind of find
loopholes and ways to like, finesse the artist, you know,
Yeah. It's ridiculous.
You all need to stop CMOS. You guys just stop this whole
thing you guys are doing. You guys have to stop.
You just have to. We see through it, Yeah, We see
through it. We see through it.
What else? Unless you had anything else to
add. What else was happening in the
news, Sam? Cool.
So let's do, let's do, let's do some quick thoughts.
Let's do some quick thoughts. Have a question?
Easy. Let's go.
Have a question. SO you do we know that as an
artist for an artist to blow up And of course we can talk about,
we can talk about it in the Kenya in the world with what
you've seen like with Kenya artists, because we've worked
with a lot of Kenyan artists behind the scenes, right?
For an artist to blow up, there's a lot of investment,
right? There's a lot of investments,
OK. Again, I don't want to keep
mentioning them, but we've talked about like guys in
Nigeria and also in the West and we see that there's a lot of
money that goes into an artist before they're able to blow up.
Now here locally in Kenya, from what you've seen from artists,
from artists and people who've put their their their music out
and sort of have like a sort of career, Do you think the
investment is, is worth the spend?
Like do you think, do you think we're getting, we're not
mentioning any artist's names, but do you think we're getting
our money's worth in terms of what artists are putting in or
should be putting in rather and, and what we get in terms of the
music. And by music, I mean the full
package albums at collaboration shows and all that business.
I don't know if you understand understand what I'm saying.
OK, I get it. I get it.
The answer is no. Yep.
Oh, OK, Well, quick thoughts. And and I and I, and I guess,
yeah, quick thoughts. And I guess the reason I would
say no is I, I feel like that's kind of the reason why a lot of
people are iffy when it comes to investing in the music industry
locally. Otherwise we would have a lot of
like investors and would would be able to to pitch like so many
different artists to so many different people who've made
their money in different like fields.
But a lot of people whenever you talk to them, they always feel
like iffy When, whenever it's like, oh, the music industry, I
don't know, like it's, you know, will I really get my return on
investment now? Is that the artist's fault?
No, it's not. It's just because of a lot of
the systems that we have in place that are not necessarily
up to par with what the wider music industry expects from
them. I mean, we've just come from
talking about the whole thing with our CMOS and them being
unable to collect royalties in a satisfactory manner.
The reason I say this is, yes, you will invest 10 million Kenya
shillings into an album, right? And you and, and now when you
look at the streams of income from music, right, a lot of them
are reliant on the back end, whether it's royalties from the
master or whether it's royalties from the publishing, right?
It that a lot of it is reliant on that in Kenya.
Unfortunately, those two avenues are trashed because of the
inability of our CMOS to to collect money, right?
And then the other avenues that you're going to get paid from
via music is through shows. And here the artist is going to
look to earn most of that because that's generally,
generally how it works. Aside from the artists who, I
mean, we've seen Jon Bellion, he just had the whole interview and
he had like a whole deal specifically for touring with
Live Nation, right? But but like, generally, like
artists see most of their income from doing shows.
Now, if not the investor looks at this, they're going to have
to like devolve into like taking out lion's share of the artist
performance money, which is so detrimental to the artists
themselves, right? How else do artists make revenue
from their music? I mean, what we said it through
sync opportunities as well. The problem with sync
opportunities is those come far and few in between.
Like like unless you have a pub. Yeah, that's what I will say if
you don't have a channel like a channel that does that.
You have to have a channel, you have to have a connection, you
have to have somebody who gets those opportunities on a regular
basis, like who works frequently with the ad agencies, for
example, or just like the media outlets that use music, you
know, in their output. So as an investor,
unfortunately, you're going to look at all these things,
especially in Kenya, and be like, damn, I don't know if I'm
going to make a return on this investment.
And it's really, really not the artist's fault because on paper,
it is supposed to make sense. It does make sense how you can
make money off of the music. It makes sense.
It genuinely does. But.
Really we're, I mean, music is a like music is a good business,
It's a profitable business. It is, it is, it's, it is.
It's a very profitable business. But in in Kenya we're only
pigeonholed to getting paid off of doing shows.
Also that involves doing corporate shows.
Yeah, but the problem with corporate shows as well, that's
that's that's in, that's an Ave. that's only reserved or it's
very gate kept gate. What's the past tense of
gatekeep? Gate.
Like there's a lot of gatekeeping that that's involved
with that, right? Because think about it like the,
the, the people who get those shows, I mean, they always tend
to be the mainstay actor. What do you call them?
The the ones with the the old? No, the older acts.
What do you call them? The O GS, the ones with the more
connections. Yeah, the ones who've been
around for Yeah, the O GS who have had a long time to And then
also the people who give you avenues to to do corporate acts
are older because then the then the business and they just tends
to be an older demographic. And the music they they're like,
oh, who do we, who do we book for our corporate show for Bank
X, right. Maybe Bank X is having a party
at the end of the year. Yeah, these people, they only
know DJ Pena and they only know Nameless or like, you know,
somebody like, yeah, they only know those names.
So as an upcoming artist, like it's going to be very difficult
to secure corporate gigs. Yes.
Now this sounds like an ad to not get into the music industry
because it's like, wow, I'm just going to Add all the music.
Yeah, it's an anti ad. Wait, wait.
But like before, before you get into that.
Based off your answer though. So do you think, do you think
like an artist sitting in their bedroom talking about I want to
do music? Do you think they should still
pour in, fund their mute, fund their their creativity, fund
their music, fund whatever they're doing?
Do you think they're true? Mentioning that knowing that
here, like we don't necessarily have that much of A return on
investment if it's not linked to a big bag, big corporation, a
big investment or anything, do you think an artist should still
do that? Do you think it's worth it?
Definitely because so the way I was looking at it was via like
if it's somebody outside who's looking to invest in said
artists. But if you're just investing in
yourself, definitely. Because now I think as an artist
now what you need to do is figure out innovative ways to
monetize your your music that don't necessarily rely on our
structures put in place. And that's really, yeah, that's
really the only way to really monetize.
And yeah, I don't know, like you can be successful in that way, I
guess, but like it's also going to be a a struggle.
It's a yeah, it's a uphill climb.
You have to get to a yeah, because you have to get to a
certain, you have to get to a certain level where you'll be
able to like throw your own shoes and really monetize in
that in that sense. But other than that, if it's
just you, then yeah, you can really just like put yourself
out there and try and secure as many shows as you can like,
because that's really the only way you're going to like see
like income like on a very consistent basis, you know what
I mean? Yeah, makes.
Sense so it's it's still worth it though, it's still worth
putting in. It's just a harder it's worth it
a harder grind, but it's still worth putting putting in and
it's important to I would say right.
It's important just to end to round this off, it's important
to invest in in art because you can tell when someone hasn't
really it doesn't seem like they've put in a lot of either.
It could be money. It could be thought could be
whatever it is, right? Yeah, you.
Well, the people who are looking, let me say the people
who are looking can tell when when maybe there hasn't been,
you know, so it's it's really important to invest in in in
your own ad, however that is. Yeah, man, that was a it is a
lengthy quick thought. It is and and it it is a
lengthy. Quick.
No, no, it's fine. It's fine though.
No. No, no, you're saying something.
Sorry I interrupted you. Oh, no, I don't know.
But like, yes, I know that was a very pessimistic point of view
from myself, but like, things are looking up.
Things are looking up. I believe there's people out
here trying to also make solutions to these problems and,
and you know, hopefully, hopefully artists will get like
a fair shake at this industry and.
Be hopefully man that's survived, that's the that's the.
Prayer and hopefully we'll see an equal amount of return from
what was invested in the 1st place.
You know, because it's disappointing when you invest
50,000 from or you invest like, like, bro, I know people who
invest like 200,000 Kenya shillings to do a video, right.
And then even when even when, when the, when you look at how
much like YouTube pays out, yeah, from the CPMS and the CPMS
are really low in our sector because of ads and stuff like
that. Like it's so demoralizing.
So Oh yeah. And then so maybe it's also like
it's also branding, like also position yourself in a way that
you can really attract a lot of these brands.
And one of the best examples of this is Chris Kaiga.
Like make sure if you're doing like he only moves when there's
a brand supporting him that's the only.
Time someone can say that that's a purist will say they they're
not really rockin with with with that.
Style of things, but he's trying to make he's trying to make a
living, bro. Like the only time we see him
doing something is if if like one of these like big liquor
companies is like paying for it and this type of shit.
But what are you supposed to do, man?
What are you supposed to do when you exist in an industry that
won't pay you off of your music? You have to get creative.
You either you either get creative or get another job.
Or get another say options Anyway, I don't know.
Quick thoughts, quick thoughts? No, no, definitely.
Definitely. So basically I wanted to, you
know, give a rest in peace to Mary Jambi Koi Kai, man.
So, you know, a lot of people, you know, just knew her as a
media personality and everything really big in the reggae spaces.
She struggled with endometriosis.
And, you know, it's really sad that she, you know, she passed
away. And I, and I know a lot of
people are hurting off of this and I don't know why, but like
it seems like for some reason, like in this past few months, a
lot of the music industry has been losing a lot of people and
that's it's a bit scary. How do you it's a bit sad, Yeah.
And how not a bit sad. Yeah, it's really sad.
How do you how do you break? Or rather, I don't even know how
to put it. How how do you philosophize
losing a lot of people? Because even in, in the recent,
in the past two weeks, we also lost a very well known and very
talented, I would say guitar player, bass guitar, Eddie Eddie
or Gaga. We also lost a keyboard.
It's Shadi also. And, and I mean, just looking at
the support from everyone, he's, I mean, very talented.
I was in the studio once with him.
He's really good and he's beloved by so many in the
industry. You know, it's just, it's, it's,
it's, it's just a, it's, that's what I'm saying.
How do you, how do you talk about it?
It's just sad. And also, bro, like even Telu,
like, you know, I wasn't really familiar with his work.
Well, I didn't know. I didn't know of him before when
I saw the news. But then I went to his page and
I looked at his post and I realized I had liked so many
things there. Just like, wait, I had in some
way interacted with his work, even if I didn't really know him
like that. And it's just like crazy.
Like we're losing all these people, man.
Prayers, prayers just wanted to give.
Prayers to their families. Send, send, send prayers to
their families, to their friends, and just to everybody
who was impacted by their their work.
It will not be forgotten. Yeah, man, it's yeah.
I don't know. It's it's always hard dealing
with loss. And, and watching, watching the
ripple effects, watching the people go through it, friends
and families of them. But anyways, listen, keep
praying for them. Actually pray for them.
Don't just send prayers, pray for them, hoping that that you
know, they can come to a place of peace and acceptance and
yeah, support in whatever way you can too.
Yeah, Yeah. Wow.
We, we, we might. I don't know.
Go ahead. Sorry.
You, you're about to say we might.
I was like, it's such a sombre note.
I don't know how to. No, like I was like saying,
yeah, that's what I was going to say.
There's no easy way to like. Not know how to move out.
In our usual podcast, but like, yeah, so usually I guess we go
to new music. So yeah, man.
So I so basically I listened to, I didn't listen to that much
this week. Shout out to Andea Sunday and
Mr. K So Andea Sunday released a song.
Where did you go? I don't know who produced this
but I know it was mixed and mastered by FK Beats.
Shout out to Andrea Sande, she's also one of these artists who
are like really like bubbling up and starting to release music.
So y'all should check out Where did you go?
BN released the remix to Macheri O Macheri with Fadi E Pooper Man
listen, we talked about BN kind of saying he doesn't really care
about the whole international artist.
Movie like the opposition. He is doing international artist
things A. Week later.
Yeah, man, listen, that's what we said it.
We said like we know BN wants like he what he's what he's
doing everything in his power to be an international act act, and
we can see him do that. Actually really enjoyed Fali
Poopers like addition onto that song so shout out to them for
that. Oh Fenna released Mali Safi I I
I genuinely really like that one.
So shout out to Fenna. She's been releasing a lot of
lids so I can see she's really putting the pedal to the metal.
Shout out to my girl TG Black she released can't stand it.
I love the artwork and the beats, man, so smooth, man.
When I listen to that song, it gives me the colour white and
blue and I don't know why I felt that was necessary to say, but
like it's genuinely, it's genuinely how I.
Felt acting subjective and you're subjected, so that's
good. It is.
And bro, TG is has been releasing a lot of music at a
high frequency. So shout out to her, man.
Yeah. And maybe I could also shout
out. Oh, I want to shout out King
Kirby. He released a song at the peak.
King Kirby, as always, is just putting his foot on the music
industry's neck. Like he's been releasing at a
very, very high rate. And he doesn't seem to be
stopping anytime soon. So shout out to King Kirby.
And then I want to shout out. I want to shout out bro, we've
talked about this guys so many times, but killy hippy boy
black, they never miss. They never miss at this point,
like the the old, I'm going to start calling them the old
reliable. They're always reliable, like
they always release music and it's.
Always fine and reliable. Yeah, so shout out, shout out to
Killy Hippy and Boy Black and to EI believe.
So shout out to them, Sam. Yeah.
What did you listen to? Oh, I'm just.
Going to put a couple of of of projects that I thought were
really, really cool. There's a kid called.
I don't know if he's a kid, he's called.
It's just a brand with an oil grass.
He is an EPA six song EP called from Migori with Love.
I genuinely enjoyed it. He has a very smooth voice.
The production was very country ish, very country ish.
It's almost like like East African renditions of country
songs. I don't know whether he did that
on purpose or maybe I'm just being subjective.
I mean, I'm just I'm, I'm reaching, but it was really
cool. I super enjoyed that definitely.
And he's, he's a fairly new, he's new to me.
So I'm definitely looking forward to listening to that.
We've talked about him recently, Papa, we played conversation a
couple of pods back. He released, he released the
album called Rafiki. Album is called Rafiki.
There is 8 songs on there. Papa is is an incredible
musician man. The production is great, the
engineering is great. We never really highlight
engineering, but when an engineering works it just it
makes the music experience a lot better.
Yes yes. So shout out shout out to to him
project is really good flyer released abrir 57.
We all know and love what fly is doing out there yeah, I mean a
lot of more music was was released.
We got releases from Reezy KE, we got releases from Manolo KE
and some gospel thing on some gospel thing and yeah, many more
motor sounds still stay releasing music.
Yeah, man, it does. This dropped a couple of songs.
You know that whole Ness. Yeah, Ness.
Is also old reliable. You know it does.
This is gonna be. Exactly, Yeah, Ness Ness Buru
also dropped with that. You know that whole there's
that, there's that, there's that corner of the corner of EDM Afro
Ness. Buru, Sophie and Zao.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it does.
Cooling it down for the after. The pillars.
They're the pillars, yeah. Yeah.
And and that and I think, I think, I guess if you want to
introduce it, you can, but our, our pick of the week is along
those lanes is along those. It is because I I listened to
this song Sam and I was just like Bro Mondo Mocha by Tina
Adore gums and I don't know how to pronounce his name.
I don't feel like the KTS are clique.
I think it should be Gums I. Don't know if I'm so gums, Yes,
but the KG zoo, yeah, it's maybe that's you know what?
Maybe what I've said is offensive.
I don't know. But like they're both from South
Africa. Oh my God, I'm so sorry.
I'm so here. You go alienating yet?
No, but we have given them praise.
Like I think the production, the production was amazing.
The thing about this song, that's the things about this
song that stood out to me is percussion and vocals.
Like it was a master class of both of those two things.
So shout out to Tina Dorm. And like I listened to that song
and I was literally levitating. Some literally levitated a few
inches. Wow, how many?
How many? Like 7. 7/7 is like low low
level levitation. Bro still.
Still though, it did something man.
So we wanted. What the fuck are we talking
about Sam? Anyway, shout out to Tina, Dora,
Grooms and KG Zoo. I hope I've pronounced your name
properly. They released an amazing song
called Mundo Moka which you guys need to listen to and you will
listen to it now because Sam, if you would allow me, I'd love to
play Mundu Mocha by Tina Adore Gums and KG Zoo.
None. None.
None the
the
the. That was Mondo Mocha by Tina
Adore Gums and KG Zoo fire fire emojis in the chart put the
fire. Emojis in the chart.
Put them. Put them there already W Madam,
they're already there. Come on.
For real. Yeah, already fire.
So shout out to shout out to Tina and yo, I'm a huge fan.
Yeah, that was episode 80, man. Yo, we are in the 80s already,
man. Bro, I don't even know man.
I don't even know how we got here, but we got here and.
Truce, blood, sweat and a lot of hard works and plenty recording.
Plenty recording hours, hours and a lot many GBS of of.
Yeah, listen, no one talks about it.
But anyway, it's it's part of the game of the farm.
There's a lot of space being taken up by audios.
A lot of a lot of second guessing, a lot of pre
production, a lot of podcasts where we, you know, genuinely
didn't know what to say but came up with something to.
Say no. You're supposed to tell the
people that, hey, we always know.
We always know. I'm not telling them which ones.
I'm not telling them which ones I'm not telling.
Sometimes listen from episode one till now and try and figure
out. And try and figure out which
ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But like, always, shout out to you guys for keeping with us,
man. We really, really appreciate you
all for sticking with the podcast and just sticking with
us on this podcasting journey, man.
We do it for y'all. We do it for the Kenyan music
industry. And I just want to sign off for
me personally with my three CS, which I've been pushing, which
always begin with confidence, man.
Like listen, I know you guys are in the music industry or even
whatever industry you are in. I need you guys to be confident
with your work. I need because like, people feed
off of your confidence, right? If you're confident in your
stuff, other people will like it just as a factor of you being
confident about it. I need you to be consistent.
You need to be consistent, man. Every day you're doing something
that's making sense or that's adding to your overall dream.
You have to be consistent because if you're not, we live
in an, we live in a time where everybody's doing the same thing
and you will be easily forgotten.
And lastly, craft. Always, always work on your
craft every day. Try and like improve it in some
way, shape or form. Even the smallest improvement is
improvement. And yeah, Sam.
That has been episode 80. That has been episode 80.
Yeah, man. We'll see you guys in episode
81. Goodbye, Goodbye.