1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,320 For me, the biggest alarm bells are some that there there must 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,800 be so much money that's being made because why are they 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,560 squabbling over this so much? Like they're fighting tooth and 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,280 nail to be the to be the sole collector. 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:21,000 And rather shamelessly to. Our royalties, that means that 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,720 there's a lot of income coming in, by the way. 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:44,680 People go, people go. People go, people go. 8 00:01:23,060 --> 00:01:25,820 What's going on? What's up, What's up, What's up 9 00:01:25,820 --> 00:01:32,760 everyone, what is up? Welcome to episode 80, the Big 10 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,240 Eight zero of the 30% podcast. I thought I'll get some claps 11 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:43,040 from from my people, but all right, anyway, we at this speed, 12 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,920 we are just the one. Welcome to episode 80 of the 30% 13 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,760 podcast. This is the 30% podcast. 14 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:56,400 I am Sam, Sam I am and I'm here with the greatest of all time, 15 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,760 the Fruity Loops connoisseur. Is that how you pronounce that 16 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,280 word? The the the FL ninja, the the 17 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:11,680 drum and bass whisperer, his drum and bassness himself. 18 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,240 AA Mephuna. That's under score alpha 19 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,240 mephuna. Sorry, sorry bro, I felt like I 20 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,600 bossed your intro. 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There's Twitter, threads, 31 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,600 Instagram anyway, man, listen, go to your Instagram, go to your 32 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,240 social media and and and look up the 30% pod. 33 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,680 I assure you we will be there. Yeah, absolutely. 34 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,840 AFAM, what's going on? Nothing much man, just chilling 35 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:33,440 yeah it's it is it's been hot weather over here in Texas yeah 36 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,640 man. But like me personally, I'm 37 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,640 doing fine. Just you know, it's with the the 38 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,640 week after we had a release. So just doing post release 39 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,720 activities. I'm working on a bunch of music 40 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:51,040 and yeah, just just just the usual. 41 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,120 Is there anything interesting that happens in your life apart 42 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,200 from music stuff? Because your wiki is so. 43 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,480 No, not really not. Oh man, no, that was so sad. 44 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,360 Yeah, sending, sending thoughts, sending thoughts and prayers to 45 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,320 you bro. Thanks. 46 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,000 Thoughts and prayers. On the contrary, it's really 47 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,720 cold over here. Super cold. 48 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,800 Today was ridiculously cold. I hate it. 49 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:13,800 I just want to say. Yeah. 50 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,800 But I mean, it's it's, it's, it's June. 51 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,000 It's. Around that time, it's a bit 52 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,880 early though. Seems like it's a bit early for 53 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,040 the cold, but yeah. Nah, the cold is supposed to be 54 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,640 hitting in June. Cold is not supposed to be 55 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,800 hitting at all. Yeah, man. 56 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,640 Yeah. I'm cool too. 57 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:35,200 I had a super interesting week. Was in the studio earlier with I 58 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,440 was in the studio earlier with this very, very talented yo. 59 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,320 I just want to say if you find for the producers out there, if 60 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,560 you find an artist who sings and and off just the demo, they 61 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,840 don't need no auto tune. They're hitting all the notes. 62 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,120 You just be grateful and glad because those are rare. 63 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:56,040 I was in the studio with Chris. Chris Barr is an incredibly 64 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,800 talented vocalist. We're getting some stuff done, 65 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,560 which I'm excited about. That was cool. 66 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,640 I also after my mother, am I allowed to talk about this? 67 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:13,360 I also I also met First off, let me just say Afam is Mr. Humble. 68 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,880 This guy is so humble. This guy undersold this guy 69 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,960 undersold undersold his people to me. 70 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:28,200 I I met Afam's Afam's pops. The, I was going to say the 71 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,240 original, the original Alpha Alpham Spops. 72 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,880 And I told them that when you, when you meet people's parents, 73 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,160 there's things that you just noticed. 74 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:39,600 And I noticed that Alpham and his dad have the same like gait. 75 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,280 It's a weird thing to notice. I just notice how people walk. 76 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:44,600 I guess that's some weird like that, but they have the same 77 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,120 sort of gait when they're walking. 78 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,040 I believe that claim. It's true, It's true. 79 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,920 Yeah, Met, met with with his dad, who is a legend in his own 80 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,600 right. Alpham undersold, undersold him 81 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,640 to me. I won't get into, I won't put 82 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,120 his business out there, but it was a really, really dope, 83 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:05,480 insightful meeting. Very insightful. 84 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,040 I learned a lot about life and AFAM. 85 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,280 It was super cool. Wait. 86 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:13,000 You learned a lot about me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of 87 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,040 course. Come on, you think I was just 88 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,920 going to go there to talk about the weather? 89 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,560 I was going to collect some info. 90 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:18,880 What did you learn? Research. 91 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,520 Research and development. R and. 92 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,160 D like what? I'm not giving to you, giving it 93 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:24,880 to you on the board. No, this is my armor to. 94 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,640 Useful later. No, no, no, no, no, no. 95 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,480 That's not how this works. No, no, that's not how. 96 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,520 You can't. You can't do that. 97 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,200 That's. Not how this works bro, just 98 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,160 just it will come out so. You're using it as armor yes 99 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,680 listen, if you guys are listening to this right now, you 100 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,240 can see this is. Look at you, you always do that. 101 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,120 You always done. You always done to the people 102 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,800 when you. Yes, exactly, exactly. 103 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,040 I will weaponize the audience. I'm weaponizing the audience 104 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,760 right now. I already have my information as 105 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,840 my weapon, so I don't care. But yeah, I know. 106 00:06:56,840 --> 00:06:58,800 That was super cool. Shout out to your pups. 107 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:04,040 Very, very, very, very inspirational story. 108 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,120 He has So nice. Yeah, that was nice. 109 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,280 What else? Nah, man, I was. 110 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,200 I've been exhausted. I've been sleeping a lot more. 111 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,440 I don't know what that's about. I'm just tired. 112 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,680 Just tired. Just tired. 113 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,760 It's ridiculous. I need to get my energy up, need 114 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,400 to get my energy up, need to be outside. 115 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,760 But yeah, that's that, man. What do we start with? 116 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:33,000 What do we start with? So we are going to start with 117 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,640 some Kenyan news. That's big news that we've kind 118 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:44,040 of been following for the past few months, and it has been 119 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,360 bubbling under the surface. There's a lot of stuff that has 120 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,600 been happening. You know, the tension has been 121 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,040 increasing. The you know, like just the 122 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,480 conversation. The whispers have turned into 123 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,240 shouts that are now. The whispers have turned into 124 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:07,520 shouts. I wonder how Peter Drury does 125 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,000 this man. He's on the go to. 126 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:12,800 I think he just has a. Bunch of phrases he's. 127 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,200 Written down that he just be checking out. 128 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,160 He must feel like that because that's he must. 129 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,000 You can't be a point anyway like that. 130 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:27,480 So the big news is that finally, after months of fighting and 131 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:34,159 squabbling, they've decided on one single collective management 132 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:45,440 organization to rule them all, and they are taking on a new 133 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,440 name. Listen, you know how like when a 134 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,600 king is crowned, when a king, they take on a name? 135 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,480 Yeah, yeah, they take on a name. Like maybe your name was Joseph 136 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,480 but you decide no, I'm going to be Edward the 1st. 137 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,040 Your name isn't even. Edward. 138 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,800 Yeah. Your name isn't even Edward. 139 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,080 They have taken on a new name, guys. 140 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,200 They are going to be called PAV Risk. 141 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,160 What does PAV Risk mean, you ask? 142 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,320 Sam, do you want to know what PAV? 143 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,040 Risk means let's go, let's do it. 144 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:24,160 I mean, we're already here. It means the Performing and 145 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:31,360 Audio Visual Rights Society of Kenya, formerly Prisk. 146 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:38,160 So as we had reported before, you know there are three or 147 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:45,240 there used to be 3 CMOS in Kenya, namely Prisk, MCSK and 148 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:51,120 Camp. MCSK was Drake, Prisk was Mr. 149 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:56,760 Kendrick and camp the boogie was Oh my God, we actually no, we 150 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,600 actually got it spot on. No, did we? 151 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,400 Because camp was always J. Cole, right? 152 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:07,040 And and and we said that and listen. 153 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,600 Kendrick one and Brisk 1. Oh, look at that. 154 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,320 This is this is this is some spooky stuff, spooky stuff here 155 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,480 at the I. Know we called it, but let me 156 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:21,960 just what do you call them? The people who who tell people's 157 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,240 futures. We are fortune tellers. 158 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,560 We are. So anyway, we're not fortune 159 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,680 tellers. During during a special meeting 160 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:34,480 held on 6th June to deliberate on the licensing of CMOS for the 161 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,440 current year, the Board has awarded or the Board awarded A1 162 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:43,080 year license to PAV Risk, formerly Prisk and instructed it 163 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,200 to begin to begin royalty collection immediately. 164 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:52,040 However, Paavrisk will not manage publishing and film 165 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:56,120 producer rights for the time being. 166 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,120 So the Board called on all stakeholders to offer support 167 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,680 and ensure a smooth transition, saying the decision was made to 168 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:10,560 cure the wrangles between the CMOS and to make it easy to 169 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:14,200 regulate the affairs of royalty collection and distribution. 170 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,000 Now, one of the things that they're kind of like saying is 171 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:25,080 that previously we've had a decentralized kind of system 172 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,280 where three collective management organizations were, 173 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,080 you know, engaging in collecting our royalties. 174 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:38,520 But they are kind of saying that by streamlining it into just one 175 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,760 of them or just like, you know, yeah, exactly. 176 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:47,240 Just making it just one organization that a lot of 177 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,680 redundancies will be done away with. 178 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,760 So whereas, you know, all these people were being employed to 179 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,440 essentially just do the same thing or something extremely 180 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:04,080 similar, Why not just have one of them do the same thing? 181 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:09,880 And in my opinion, like that on the surface makes sense some, 182 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,880 don't you think? So it makes it makes a little 183 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,000 bit of sense because it makes sense. 184 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:13,800 It's OK. Yeah. 185 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:19,640 You, you, it's it's easy to hold one, one person accountable, 186 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,280 then to start doing running around trying to gather all 187 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,640 three of them to it's yeah, it's makes sense. 188 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,360 Yeah, and I mean, there's an argument here saying that like, 189 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,280 okay, like even with with all the money that's collected, 190 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,960 which by the way is supposed to go to the rights shareholders, 191 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,480 AKA the artists, and they've been using a large amount of 192 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,680 that money to pay the employees of the administrative. 193 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,080 Purposes. Yeah, that's what they like to 194 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,520 say by doing away with all the extra fluff. 195 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,400 That's not required then, therefore technically. 196 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,080 Technically. A lot more money should be saved 197 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,840 and a lot more of that money should be channelled into the 198 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:07,280 right, you know, into the the right shareholders technically. 199 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:12,360 But Sam has all stories that are interesting. 200 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,600 There was a spanner in the works with A twist. 201 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,360 J. Cole was feeling left out bro. 202 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,880 He was kind of like brah, like what about me? 203 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:21,680 You know. And J. 204 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:26,480 Cole is camp in this situation we want to record and so he went 205 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,560 to record Griffey. So anyway, essentially camp are 206 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:35,440 not happy with this and are actually considering taking 207 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:40,360 Kekobo to court over this decision because they said that 208 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:47,200 in naturally they said in past. No, they've also said so. 209 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,920 Angela Dambuki, who is Cam's chairperson said that the 210 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:57,080 process in every way conceivable was outrightly discriminatory 211 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,800 and the board has failed to provide reasons for declining 212 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,160 Cam's application. A society that has consistently 213 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,360 improved its distribution to its rights shareholders, with the 214 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:13,280 latest at 61% of CM OS income and passed the overall good 215 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,160 government, good governance test. 216 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,880 Prisk, on the other hand, has not distributed Ascent in the 217 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,080 past two years and has failed to even hold elections as required 218 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,080 of all CMOS. Cam said that in past forensic 219 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:31,360 audit reports, including its most recent report in 2023, 220 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,840 Kacobo had flagged what it's termed as embezzlement of rights 221 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:42,280 shareholders funds by Prisks management and its management 222 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,280 board and raised similar concerns when Prisk applied to 223 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,480 renew its operating license. In a letter dated 13th May 2024, 224 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,760 Kobo questioned Prisk on the status of royalty distribution 225 00:14:54,760 --> 00:15:00,120 to its members for 2023. Now, this actually looks 226 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,400 legitimate because like some we've we've talked about it and 227 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,560 yeah, I think Camp according to what we've been reading have 228 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,080 distributed the most when it comes to the three CMOS that we 229 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,720 have in terms of like when we talk about, yeah, allegedly when 230 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,800 we talk about like in proportion to what they receive. 231 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,040 Yeah, right. Which they were collecting in 232 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,920 60. 40 I think it was. Yeah, they, they, they, they, 233 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:31,440 they, they submitted 61% to its right shareholders, 61% of what 234 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:36,360 they collected and 39% was used for administrative purposes, 235 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,840 which by the way, I still disagree with. 236 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:43,520 But anyway, I think that also. So listen, essentially guys, 237 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,120 listen if you're listening to this podcast right now, we are 238 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,680 screwed because either way you look at. 239 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,520 It we agree. In nest, no, there's listen, 240 00:15:53,520 --> 00:16:00,480 Sam, there is of course, look look like Prisk don't look very 241 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,640 credible right now. They haven't paid anyone for two 242 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:08,720 years and then well, Prisk as it was because Pavrisk hasn't even 243 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,840 had time to do anything right. So now essentially what's 244 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,840 happened is camp is claiming that Prisk, who are the crooks 245 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,560 in their story have made friends with the people that pick and 246 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,320 kind of and they're and then and they're now in cahoots. 247 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,280 They're now in cahoots to embezzle even more funds because 248 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,480 now the pot has significantly gone up. 249 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,080 Because there's they owned the pot. 250 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,360 One player to ship to the house they won yeah they won yeah so 251 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,760 so so essentially that's messed up because it means that we're 252 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:44,600 essentially like in a situation where we like how how like how 253 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:49,400 do they give the the keys to the city to the least credible of 254 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,320 them of the three the. Bomb on the streets, you know? 255 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,720 What I mean, Yeah, yeah. You give. 256 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:55,800 Essentially, that's what they did. 257 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:57,680 That's essentially what they did. 258 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,480 They give it to the least credible 1. 259 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:04,200 So essentially now, uh huh. No, I'm saying I'm before you 260 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:09,319 continue, I'm I'm I'm I do understand they have a little 261 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:13,720 bit of of proof and backing, but I don't know if I'm 100% 262 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:18,839 believing camps, camps little tirade here. 263 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,599 I don't know because they. They could also be just trying 264 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:24,200 to like. Because look at it if MCSK one 265 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,599 with with camp also have brought up the same story. 266 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:29,440 Anyone else who had warned? No, but they would try and find 267 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:30,960 out. They'd probably try and find a 268 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,600 different angle. Yeah. 269 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,920 So it's it's just it's this is an every man for himself type 270 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,280 thing, which is, which is scary because the artists are the ones 271 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:43,000 who are going to suffer, but. For me, the biggest alarm bells 272 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,320 are some that there there must be so much money that's being 273 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,440 made because why are they squabbling over this so much? 274 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:56,400 Like they're fighting tooth and nail to be the to be the sole 275 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:01,040 collector and rather shamelessly to our royalties. 276 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,880 That means that there's a lot of income coming in, by the way. 277 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,000 I mean, yeah, we've seen some of those numbers too. 278 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,400 We've seen some of the numbers of of of the revenue that could 279 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:17,600 be gotten from from the music. So, and it's, it's quite a bit. 280 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,120 It's quite a lot actually. It's actually quite scary. 281 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,240 It's actually quite scary. These guys are fighting over our 282 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,200 hard earned money and and now it's gone to the worst of them 283 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,840 all. This is like when Professor 284 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,880 Umbridge became the Does any of you watch Harry Potter? 285 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,400 When do you say there's any of you? 286 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,840 You're saying me because you're talking to me. 287 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,480 Are you talking to the fans? Anyway, no, I was talking to the 288 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,040 fans. If there's anybody out there who 289 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:50,560 I'm pretty. Sure. 290 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,520 No, I'm pretty sure we have some some crossover between the 30% 291 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,680 and and Harry Potter. This is what's this is what's 292 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,800 this is what's happening right now, man, Like we are this are 293 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,120 testing times. This is like book seven when 294 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,240 after Dumbledore died and now the school was in disarray. 295 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,120 Anyway, if you're a Harry Potter fan, you know, like because who 296 00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:13,240 knows, Prisk could be the bad guys after a camp could actually 297 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,640 be camp could actually be saying the truth. 298 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,280 Or maybe they're not. Maybe they're also just power 299 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,000 hungry and money hungry and want it all for themselves. 300 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,040 That's the thing, Sam, we don't know either way. 301 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,120 Either way we look, we really lose it the the artists, the 302 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,960 artists. Are the ones we're going to lose 303 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,520 on this? Every, every time these guys 304 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,200 come out to to to talk, it's it just leaves us with more 305 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,480 questions. It's just like what what's going 306 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,120 on now? We have someone selected and 307 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:44,560 then we have, I mean we have a ACMO selected and everybody now 308 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,560 is, well, not everybody, but camp. 309 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,280 I don't know what what MCSK is doing. 310 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:49,440 Maybe they're planning their own. 311 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,120 Yeah, I, I, I, I honestly don't know what it's. 312 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:56,960 Ridiculous. It's ridiculous. 313 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,720 All I know it's craziness. All I know is a significant 314 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:05,280 amount of money must be like be in consideration because. 315 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,960 Why would they wouldn't be fighting so seriously? 316 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,280 You think they're fighting over this? 317 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,520 RT for the for for the sake of the artist. 318 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,600 Yeah, so that we can, they can. This is what do you call it 319 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:22,240 distributes with integrity and and and just all fairness now, 320 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:23,600 bro. Nope, Nope. 321 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,680 That's that 39 percent is, is is a lot of money for somebody, is 322 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,560 a lot of money for someone. And that's how it is. 323 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,880 And like we said, and like we even said before, that 39 324 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,040 percent is 39 percent of a figure that they probably just 325 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,920 drew up that 39%. Like the 100% that they're 326 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:47,080 working on could even be 50% of what's actually been collected. 327 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:52,160 So the 39% could be 39% of 50%, which means we're essentially 328 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,120 earning like, do you get what I'm trying to say? 329 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,800 Like like we could have been lied to. 330 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:00,280 Or rather, the artist could be making 60. 331 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,200 Percent. That's my whole. 50%, that's my 332 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,760 whole. Actually been collected. 333 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,680 We just don't know. That's my whole thing. 334 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,880 When, when, when we're asking, when, when they asked the MCSK 335 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:14,040 chairman about his numbers and, and what those numbers are. 336 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,960 And he said that he's not going to, he, he's not at liberty to 337 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,920 share those numbers. And he was still giving us the 338 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,440 percentages like we don't know. We don't, we are believing what 339 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,160 they tell us. Like the artists have no we have 340 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:31,480 no power and no accountability. If you think about it, Sam, it's 341 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,360 the easiest con. If you think about it like you 342 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:37,360 get 100% of something as the collector, right? 343 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,280 And then you just say, you know what we'll do? 344 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,600 Let's give them 70% and make them think that's 100%. 345 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:48,040 We keep the 30%. And then even of that 70%, let's 346 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,600 say we're going to give. That's evil. 347 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,880 Yeah, yeah. Well, that's that is. 348 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,000 And so now we we are all up in arms to. 349 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,920 And then now when they say, you know what, OK, fine, that 39% we 350 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,840 were taking for administrative purposes might have been too 351 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:10,440 much, Yeah, OK, only takes 20% and gives you 80% then now as we 352 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,680 are happy now, but listen, we're getting 80% of 70%. 353 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,440 Do you get making sense? So now we are happy. 354 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,920 We're happy. We're happily being finessed 355 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,800 now, because now you think, Oh yeah, we we're supporting. 356 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:25,680 Them in the. Finesse. 357 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,920 They're still stealing. They're still stealing because 358 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,120 they haven't told you. They haven't disclosed how much 359 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,440 actually collecting. We are supporting the finesse is 360 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,560 what we are doing. And that's horrible. 361 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,960 That's horrible because now we can't even trust. 362 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,040 We can't even trust anything because they have set a 363 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,880 precedent of us. Just like not knowing what's. 364 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,760 Really challenge. I challenge these guys to 365 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,880 actually put out the numbers. Hey, give us a document. 366 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,480 You know how like people audit the companies, audit themselves 367 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:52,600 and still stuff? Yeah. 368 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,720 I still wouldn't believe it. We need like a fully independent 369 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:01,680 company, company that's not even like from Kenya who has no like 370 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,720 allegiance to anybody to do the set. 371 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,560 But that's the problem. They have no allegiance. 372 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,520 They have no allegiance to any and they're going to be spending 373 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,200 money doing all of this. So they have to have some sort 374 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,720 of, or someone has to, someone probably from this side has to 375 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,240 trigger that and say, hey, I have enough power come and do 376 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,560 this. We need to audit because we care 377 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,240 about the artists and everything, but until that is 378 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,240 done, this all of the MCSK is going to come out with their own 379 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,800 issues now and then they're going to it's yeah, I'm tired of 380 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,480 talking about it. I mean, we have to report about 381 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,800 it because it's important, but we're not honestly, man, I'm. 382 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,440 I'm honesty really I'm just at this point, you guys, you guys 383 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,880 have it, man. We're going to fight it to the 384 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:43,240 death. They. 385 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:47,560 Are they are? But like, oh wait, you said we 386 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,000 are. Let me change that. 387 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,320 We should, artists should. We should stop just sitting 388 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,440 around like we, we need, we need to, we need to start making 389 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,240 noise, make some noise about this thing. 390 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,240 Because because this guy's, this guy's think we're dumb. 391 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,600 Yeah, a lot of it I think also because I think a lot of it is 392 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,000 artists don't necessarily know the insurance and outs of how 393 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,280 this stuff works. And so it's better to it's very 394 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,360 surface information on what they should know in terms of just 395 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,560 like music or business education, right? 396 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,880 So again, it's just, it's a, it's a PSA out all that is just 397 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,600 to go and learn about all this stuff so that you know, exactly 398 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,280 like once, I, I promise you, once you learn a little bit 399 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,800 about music business and you see how how these guys have been 400 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,640 conducting themselves, you, you might be up in arms too. 401 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,640 It's ridiculous, but. The music business is so com 402 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,600 bruh learning even me like it's so confusing man. 403 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:44,920 I feel like there's just so many. 404 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,440 It's confusing on purpose. It's. 405 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,920 Confusing on purpose I think. Because it just opens up so many 406 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,840 avenues to like, you know, the the less, the less concrete it 407 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:01,400 is, the easier like it is to just like, Yep, kind of find 408 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,080 loopholes and ways to like, finesse the artist, you know, 409 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,000 Yeah. It's ridiculous. 410 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,280 You all need to stop CMOS. You guys just stop this whole 411 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,840 thing you guys are doing. You guys have to stop. 412 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,600 You just have to. We see through it, Yeah, We see 413 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,600 through it. We see through it. 414 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,840 What else? Unless you had anything else to 415 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,080 add. What else was happening in the 416 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,400 news, Sam? Cool. 417 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,720 So let's do, let's do, let's do some quick thoughts. 418 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,040 Let's do some quick thoughts. Have a question? 419 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,040 Easy. Let's go. 420 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:37,080 Have a question. SO you do we know that as an 421 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,440 artist for an artist to blow up And of course we can talk about, 422 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,560 we can talk about it in the Kenya in the world with what 423 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,320 you've seen like with Kenya artists, because we've worked 424 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,440 with a lot of Kenyan artists behind the scenes, right? 425 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,160 For an artist to blow up, there's a lot of investment, 426 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,000 right? There's a lot of investments, 427 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,240 OK. Again, I don't want to keep 428 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,560 mentioning them, but we've talked about like guys in 429 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,120 Nigeria and also in the West and we see that there's a lot of 430 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:03,960 money that goes into an artist before they're able to blow up. 431 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,920 Now here locally in Kenya, from what you've seen from artists, 432 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,160 from artists and people who've put their their their music out 433 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,000 and sort of have like a sort of career, Do you think the 434 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:21,200 investment is, is worth the spend? 435 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,800 Like do you think, do you think we're getting, we're not 436 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,640 mentioning any artist's names, but do you think we're getting 437 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,160 our money's worth in terms of what artists are putting in or 438 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,720 should be putting in rather and, and what we get in terms of the 439 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,480 music. And by music, I mean the full 440 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:43,520 package albums at collaboration shows and all that business. 441 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,640 I don't know if you understand understand what I'm saying. 442 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,600 OK, I get it. I get it. 443 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,120 The answer is no. Yep. 444 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,760 Oh, OK, Well, quick thoughts. And and I and I, and I guess, 445 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,520 yeah, quick thoughts. And I guess the reason I would 446 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,160 say no is I, I feel like that's kind of the reason why a lot of 447 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,720 people are iffy when it comes to investing in the music industry 448 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,800 locally. Otherwise we would have a lot of 449 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:18,320 like investors and would would be able to to pitch like so many 450 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,200 different artists to so many different people who've made 451 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,680 their money in different like fields. 452 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,800 But a lot of people whenever you talk to them, they always feel 453 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,600 like iffy When, whenever it's like, oh, the music industry, I 454 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,440 don't know, like it's, you know, will I really get my return on 455 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,240 investment now? Is that the artist's fault? 456 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,200 No, it's not. It's just because of a lot of 457 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:47,000 the systems that we have in place that are not necessarily 458 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:52,160 up to par with what the wider music industry expects from 459 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,840 them. I mean, we've just come from 460 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:59,160 talking about the whole thing with our CMOS and them being 461 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,720 unable to collect royalties in a satisfactory manner. 462 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:10,000 The reason I say this is, yes, you will invest 10 million Kenya 463 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,960 shillings into an album, right? And you and, and now when you 464 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,760 look at the streams of income from music, right, a lot of them 465 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,240 are reliant on the back end, whether it's royalties from the 466 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,240 master or whether it's royalties from the publishing, right? 467 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,720 It that a lot of it is reliant on that in Kenya. 468 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:35,520 Unfortunately, those two avenues are trashed because of the 469 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,080 inability of our CMOS to to collect money, right? 470 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,360 And then the other avenues that you're going to get paid from 471 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,920 via music is through shows. And here the artist is going to 472 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,200 look to earn most of that because that's generally, 473 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,680 generally how it works. Aside from the artists who, I 474 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,040 mean, we've seen Jon Bellion, he just had the whole interview and 475 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,440 he had like a whole deal specifically for touring with 476 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,200 Live Nation, right? But but like, generally, like 477 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,960 artists see most of their income from doing shows. 478 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,440 Now, if not the investor looks at this, they're going to have 479 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,520 to like devolve into like taking out lion's share of the artist 480 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,200 performance money, which is so detrimental to the artists 481 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,800 themselves, right? How else do artists make revenue 482 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,360 from their music? I mean, what we said it through 483 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,760 sync opportunities as well. The problem with sync 484 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,120 opportunities is those come far and few in between. 485 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,400 Like like unless you have a pub. Yeah, that's what I will say if 486 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,640 you don't have a channel like a channel that does that. 487 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,640 You have to have a channel, you have to have a connection, you 488 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,000 have to have somebody who gets those opportunities on a regular 489 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,080 basis, like who works frequently with the ad agencies, for 490 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:13,240 example, or just like the media outlets that use music, you 491 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,000 know, in their output. So as an investor, 492 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,560 unfortunately, you're going to look at all these things, 493 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,000 especially in Kenya, and be like, damn, I don't know if I'm 494 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,240 going to make a return on this investment. 495 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,960 And it's really, really not the artist's fault because on paper, 496 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,080 it is supposed to make sense. It does make sense how you can 497 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,280 make money off of the music. It makes sense. 498 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,240 It genuinely does. But. 499 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,440 Really we're, I mean, music is a like music is a good business, 500 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,360 It's a profitable business. It is, it is, it's, it is. 501 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,800 It's a very profitable business. But in in Kenya we're only 502 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,040 pigeonholed to getting paid off of doing shows. 503 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,040 Also that involves doing corporate shows. 504 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,920 Yeah, but the problem with corporate shows as well, that's 505 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,480 that's that's in, that's an Ave. that's only reserved or it's 506 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,440 very gate kept gate. What's the past tense of 507 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,320 gatekeep? Gate. 508 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,040 Like there's a lot of gatekeeping that that's involved 509 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,200 with that, right? Because think about it like the, 510 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,520 the, the people who get those shows, I mean, they always tend 511 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,120 to be the mainstay actor. What do you call them? 512 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,600 The the ones with the the old? No, the older acts. 513 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,320 What do you call them? The O GS, the ones with the more 514 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,080 connections. Yeah, the ones who've been 515 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,040 around for Yeah, the O GS who have had a long time to And then 516 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,520 also the people who give you avenues to to do corporate acts 517 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,880 are older because then the then the business and they just tends 518 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,040 to be an older demographic. And the music they they're like, 519 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,120 oh, who do we, who do we book for our corporate show for Bank 520 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,880 X, right. Maybe Bank X is having a party 521 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,400 at the end of the year. Yeah, these people, they only 522 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,120 know DJ Pena and they only know Nameless or like, you know, 523 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,200 somebody like, yeah, they only know those names. 524 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,200 So as an upcoming artist, like it's going to be very difficult 525 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,280 to secure corporate gigs. Yes. 526 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,760 Now this sounds like an ad to not get into the music industry 527 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,240 because it's like, wow, I'm just going to Add all the music. 528 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,040 Yeah, it's an anti ad. Wait, wait. 529 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,320 But like before, before you get into that. 530 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,640 Based off your answer though. So do you think, do you think 531 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,200 like an artist sitting in their bedroom talking about I want to 532 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,000 do music? Do you think they should still 533 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:42,520 pour in, fund their mute, fund their their creativity, fund 534 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,240 their music, fund whatever they're doing? 535 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,520 Do you think they're true? Mentioning that knowing that 536 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,040 here, like we don't necessarily have that much of A return on 537 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,760 investment if it's not linked to a big bag, big corporation, a 538 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,560 big investment or anything, do you think an artist should still 539 00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,840 do that? Do you think it's worth it? 540 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:08,240 Definitely because so the way I was looking at it was via like 541 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,600 if it's somebody outside who's looking to invest in said 542 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,240 artists. But if you're just investing in 543 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,560 yourself, definitely. Because now I think as an artist 544 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:22,480 now what you need to do is figure out innovative ways to 545 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:30,800 monetize your your music that don't necessarily rely on our 546 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:37,400 structures put in place. And that's really, yeah, that's 547 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,240 really the only way to really monetize. 548 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,720 And yeah, I don't know, like you can be successful in that way, I 549 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,840 guess, but like it's also going to be a a struggle. 550 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,960 It's a yeah, it's a uphill climb. 551 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,440 You have to get to a yeah, because you have to get to a 552 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,840 certain, you have to get to a certain level where you'll be 553 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,600 able to like throw your own shoes and really monetize in 554 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,520 that in that sense. But other than that, if it's 555 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:11,280 just you, then yeah, you can really just like put yourself 556 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,480 out there and try and secure as many shows as you can like, 557 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,560 because that's really the only way you're going to like see 558 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,040 like income like on a very consistent basis, you know what 559 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:23,880 I mean? Yeah, makes. 560 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,679 Sense so it's it's still worth it though, it's still worth 561 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,560 putting in. It's just a harder it's worth it 562 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,960 a harder grind, but it's still worth putting putting in and 563 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,560 it's important to I would say right. 564 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,800 It's important just to end to round this off, it's important 565 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,000 to invest in in art because you can tell when someone hasn't 566 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,679 really it doesn't seem like they've put in a lot of either. 567 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,280 It could be money. It could be thought could be 568 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,239 whatever it is, right? Yeah, you. 569 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,000 Well, the people who are looking, let me say the people 570 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,280 who are looking can tell when when maybe there hasn't been, 571 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,440 you know, so it's it's really important to invest in in in 572 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,000 your own ad, however that is. Yeah, man, that was a it is a 573 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,240 lengthy quick thought. It is and and it it is a 574 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:08,800 lengthy. Quick. 575 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:09,960 No, no, it's fine. It's fine though. 576 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,080 No. No, no, you're saying something. 577 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,360 Sorry I interrupted you. Oh, no, I don't know. 578 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,760 But like, yes, I know that was a very pessimistic point of view 579 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:25,840 from myself, but like, things are looking up. 580 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,520 Things are looking up. I believe there's people out 581 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,800 here trying to also make solutions to these problems and, 582 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,400 and you know, hopefully, hopefully artists will get like 583 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,640 a fair shake at this industry and. 584 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,520 Be hopefully man that's survived, that's the that's the. 585 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:50,720 Prayer and hopefully we'll see an equal amount of return from 586 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:52,800 what was invested in the 1st place. 587 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,200 You know, because it's disappointing when you invest 588 00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:00,600 50,000 from or you invest like, like, bro, I know people who 589 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,280 invest like 200,000 Kenya shillings to do a video, right. 590 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:10,120 And then even when even when, when the, when you look at how 591 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,400 much like YouTube pays out, yeah, from the CPMS and the CPMS 592 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,800 are really low in our sector because of ads and stuff like 593 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,640 that. Like it's so demoralizing. 594 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,680 So Oh yeah. And then so maybe it's also like 595 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,120 it's also branding, like also position yourself in a way that 596 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,160 you can really attract a lot of these brands. 597 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,640 And one of the best examples of this is Chris Kaiga. 598 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,960 Like make sure if you're doing like he only moves when there's 599 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,880 a brand supporting him that's the only. 600 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,440 Time someone can say that that's a purist will say they they're 601 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,960 not really rockin with with with that. 602 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,680 Style of things, but he's trying to make he's trying to make a 603 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,760 living, bro. Like the only time we see him 604 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,720 doing something is if if like one of these like big liquor 605 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,360 companies is like paying for it and this type of shit. 606 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,240 But what are you supposed to do, man? 607 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,800 What are you supposed to do when you exist in an industry that 608 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,920 won't pay you off of your music? You have to get creative. 609 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,800 You either you either get creative or get another job. 610 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,440 Or get another say options Anyway, I don't know. 611 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,880 Quick thoughts, quick thoughts? No, no, definitely. 612 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,000 Definitely. So basically I wanted to, you 613 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:26,840 know, give a rest in peace to Mary Jambi Koi Kai, man. 614 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,840 So, you know, a lot of people, you know, just knew her as a 615 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:37,920 media personality and everything really big in the reggae spaces. 616 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,280 She struggled with endometriosis. 617 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:49,320 And, you know, it's really sad that she, you know, she passed 618 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,520 away. And I, and I know a lot of 619 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:56,120 people are hurting off of this and I don't know why, but like 620 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,360 it seems like for some reason, like in this past few months, a 621 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,600 lot of the music industry has been losing a lot of people and 622 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,880 that's it's a bit scary. How do you it's a bit sad, Yeah. 623 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,840 And how not a bit sad. Yeah, it's really sad. 624 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,240 How do you how do you break? Or rather, I don't even know how 625 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:20,320 to put it. How how do you philosophize 626 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,760 losing a lot of people? Because even in, in the recent, 627 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,960 in the past two weeks, we also lost a very well known and very 628 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,440 talented, I would say guitar player, bass guitar, Eddie Eddie 629 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,280 or Gaga. We also lost a keyboard. 630 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,480 It's Shadi also. And, and I mean, just looking at 631 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,640 the support from everyone, he's, I mean, very talented. 632 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,800 I was in the studio once with him. 633 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,680 He's really good and he's beloved by so many in the 634 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,760 industry. You know, it's just, it's, it's, 635 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,120 it's, it's just a, it's, that's what I'm saying. 636 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,640 How do you, how do you talk about it? 637 00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:00,960 It's just sad. And also, bro, like even Telu, 638 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,880 like, you know, I wasn't really familiar with his work. 639 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,120 Well, I didn't know. I didn't know of him before when 640 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,520 I saw the news. But then I went to his page and 641 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,320 I looked at his post and I realized I had liked so many 642 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,680 things there. Just like, wait, I had in some 643 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,640 way interacted with his work, even if I didn't really know him 644 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,800 like that. And it's just like crazy. 645 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,720 Like we're losing all these people, man. 646 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:25,640 Prayers, prayers just wanted to give. 647 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,520 Prayers to their families. Send, send, send prayers to 648 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,520 their families, to their friends, and just to everybody 649 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,200 who was impacted by their their work. 650 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:42,840 It will not be forgotten. Yeah, man, it's yeah. 651 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,400 I don't know. It's it's always hard dealing 652 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,520 with loss. And, and watching, watching the 653 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,800 ripple effects, watching the people go through it, friends 654 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,160 and families of them. But anyways, listen, keep 655 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,720 praying for them. Actually pray for them. 656 00:39:55,720 --> 00:40:00,920 Don't just send prayers, pray for them, hoping that that you 657 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,240 know, they can come to a place of peace and acceptance and 658 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,040 yeah, support in whatever way you can too. 659 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,240 Yeah, Yeah. Wow. 660 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,720 We, we, we might. I don't know. 661 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:17,760 Go ahead. Sorry. 662 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,040 You, you're about to say we might. 663 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,840 I was like, it's such a sombre note. 664 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,480 I don't know how to. No, like I was like saying, 665 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,440 yeah, that's what I was going to say. 666 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,680 There's no easy way to like. Not know how to move out. 667 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,840 In our usual podcast, but like, yeah, so usually I guess we go 668 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,440 to new music. So yeah, man. 669 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,840 So I so basically I listened to, I didn't listen to that much 670 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:50,200 this week. Shout out to Andea Sunday and 671 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,400 Mr. K So Andea Sunday released a song. 672 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,040 Where did you go? I don't know who produced this 673 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,440 but I know it was mixed and mastered by FK Beats. 674 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,680 Shout out to Andrea Sande, she's also one of these artists who 675 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,360 are like really like bubbling up and starting to release music. 676 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,680 So y'all should check out Where did you go? 677 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:21,160 BN released the remix to Macheri O Macheri with Fadi E Pooper Man 678 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,680 listen, we talked about BN kind of saying he doesn't really care 679 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,760 about the whole international artist. 680 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,560 Movie like the opposition. He is doing international artist 681 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:30,920 things A. Week later. 682 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,520 Yeah, man, listen, that's what we said it. 683 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,480 We said like we know BN wants like he what he's what he's 684 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,240 doing everything in his power to be an international act act, and 685 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,400 we can see him do that. Actually really enjoyed Fali 686 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,000 Poopers like addition onto that song so shout out to them for 687 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,760 that. Oh Fenna released Mali Safi I I 688 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,160 I genuinely really like that one. 689 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,480 So shout out to Fenna. She's been releasing a lot of 690 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,280 lids so I can see she's really putting the pedal to the metal. 691 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:16,680 Shout out to my girl TG Black she released can't stand it. 692 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:22,400 I love the artwork and the beats, man, so smooth, man. 693 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,160 When I listen to that song, it gives me the colour white and 694 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,560 blue and I don't know why I felt that was necessary to say, but 695 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,040 like it's genuinely, it's genuinely how I. 696 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,400 Felt acting subjective and you're subjected, so that's 697 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,480 good. It is. 698 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:43,320 And bro, TG is has been releasing a lot of music at a 699 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,200 high frequency. So shout out to her, man. 700 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,320 Yeah. And maybe I could also shout 701 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,960 out. Oh, I want to shout out King 702 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,480 Kirby. He released a song at the peak. 703 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,200 King Kirby, as always, is just putting his foot on the music 704 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,760 industry's neck. Like he's been releasing at a 705 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,080 very, very high rate. And he doesn't seem to be 706 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,480 stopping anytime soon. So shout out to King Kirby. 707 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:16,480 And then I want to shout out. I want to shout out bro, we've 708 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,360 talked about this guys so many times, but killy hippy boy 709 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,640 black, they never miss. They never miss at this point, 710 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,080 like the the old, I'm going to start calling them the old 711 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,360 reliable. They're always reliable, like 712 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,840 they always release music and it's. 713 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:37,440 Always fine and reliable. Yeah, so shout out, shout out to 714 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,080 Killy Hippy and Boy Black and to EI believe. 715 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,600 So shout out to them, Sam. Yeah. 716 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,360 What did you listen to? Oh, I'm just. 717 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:54,120 Going to put a couple of of of projects that I thought were 718 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,360 really, really cool. There's a kid called. 719 00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,640 I don't know if he's a kid, he's called. 720 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,240 It's just a brand with an oil grass. 721 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:07,720 He is an EPA six song EP called from Migori with Love. 722 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,360 I genuinely enjoyed it. He has a very smooth voice. 723 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,000 The production was very country ish, very country ish. 724 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,400 It's almost like like East African renditions of country 725 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,760 songs. I don't know whether he did that 726 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,800 on purpose or maybe I'm just being subjective. 727 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,400 I mean, I'm just I'm, I'm reaching, but it was really 728 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,560 cool. I super enjoyed that definitely. 729 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,520 And he's, he's a fairly new, he's new to me. 730 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,440 So I'm definitely looking forward to listening to that. 731 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:40,840 We've talked about him recently, Papa, we played conversation a 732 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,360 couple of pods back. He released, he released the 733 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,840 album called Rafiki. Album is called Rafiki. 734 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,240 There is 8 songs on there. Papa is is an incredible 735 00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:53,040 musician man. The production is great, the 736 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,400 engineering is great. We never really highlight 737 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,040 engineering, but when an engineering works it just it 738 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,560 makes the music experience a lot better. 739 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,160 Yes yes. So shout out shout out to to him 740 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,000 project is really good flyer released abrir 57. 741 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,040 We all know and love what fly is doing out there yeah, I mean a 742 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,080 lot of more music was was released. 743 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:24,160 We got releases from Reezy KE, we got releases from Manolo KE 744 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:29,720 and some gospel thing on some gospel thing and yeah, many more 745 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:32,120 motor sounds still stay releasing music. 746 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,000 Yeah, man, it does. This dropped a couple of songs. 747 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,200 You know that whole Ness. Yeah, Ness. 748 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,560 Is also old reliable. You know it does. 749 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,240 This is gonna be. Exactly, Yeah, Ness Ness Buru 750 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,560 also dropped with that. You know that whole there's 751 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,200 that, there's that, there's that corner of the corner of EDM Afro 752 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,760 Ness. Buru, Sophie and Zao. 753 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it does. 754 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,400 Cooling it down for the after. The pillars. 755 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,200 They're the pillars, yeah. Yeah. 756 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,960 And and that and I think, I think, I guess if you want to 757 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,960 introduce it, you can, but our, our pick of the week is along 758 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,240 those lanes is along those. It is because I I listened to 759 00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:18,840 this song Sam and I was just like Bro Mondo Mocha by Tina 760 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,840 Adore gums and I don't know how to pronounce his name. 761 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,760 I don't feel like the KTS are clique. 762 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,480 I think it should be Gums I. Don't know if I'm so gums, Yes, 763 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,720 but the KG zoo, yeah, it's maybe that's you know what? 764 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,440 Maybe what I've said is offensive. 765 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,640 I don't know. But like they're both from South 766 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,160 Africa. Oh my God, I'm so sorry. 767 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,000 I'm so here. You go alienating yet? 768 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,360 No, but we have given them praise. 769 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,280 Like I think the production, the production was amazing. 770 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,720 The thing about this song, that's the things about this 771 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:55,320 song that stood out to me is percussion and vocals. 772 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,520 Like it was a master class of both of those two things. 773 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,200 So shout out to Tina Dorm. And like I listened to that song 774 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,400 and I was literally levitating. Some literally levitated a few 775 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,000 inches. Wow, how many? 776 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:14,880 How many? Like 7. 7/7 is like low low 777 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,720 level levitation. Bro still. 778 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,520 Still though, it did something man. 779 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,320 So we wanted. What the fuck are we talking 780 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,640 about Sam? Anyway, shout out to Tina, Dora, 781 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,080 Grooms and KG Zoo. I hope I've pronounced your name 782 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,000 properly. They released an amazing song 783 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,640 called Mundo Moka which you guys need to listen to and you will 784 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,960 listen to it now because Sam, if you would allow me, I'd love to 785 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:46,760 play Mundu Mocha by Tina Adore Gums and KG Zoo. 786 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:35,200 None. None. 787 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:42,400 None the 788 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:40,600 the the 789 00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:50,560 the. That was Mondo Mocha by Tina 790 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:55,320 Adore Gums and KG Zoo fire fire emojis in the chart put the 791 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,200 fire. Emojis in the chart. 792 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,880 Put them. Put them there already W Madam, 793 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:01,960 they're already there. Come on. 794 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,320 For real. Yeah, already fire. 795 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,800 So shout out to shout out to Tina and yo, I'm a huge fan. 796 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:15,000 Yeah, that was episode 80, man. Yo, we are in the 80s already, 797 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,600 man. Bro, I don't even know man. 798 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,840 I don't even know how we got here, but we got here and. 799 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,120 Truce, blood, sweat and a lot of hard works and plenty recording. 800 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:32,400 Plenty recording hours, hours and a lot many GBS of of. 801 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,320 Yeah, listen, no one talks about it. 802 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,520 But anyway, it's it's part of the game of the farm. 803 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,640 There's a lot of space being taken up by audios. 804 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:43,440 A lot of a lot of second guessing, a lot of pre 805 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,680 production, a lot of podcasts where we, you know, genuinely 806 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,560 didn't know what to say but came up with something to. 807 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:51,680 Say no. You're supposed to tell the 808 00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:53,120 people that, hey, we always know. 809 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,240 We always know. I'm not telling them which ones. 810 00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,080 I'm not telling them which ones I'm not telling. 811 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,120 Sometimes listen from episode one till now and try and figure 812 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,640 out. And try and figure out which 813 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:05,600 ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 814 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,920 But like, always, shout out to you guys for keeping with us, 815 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,920 man. We really, really appreciate you 816 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,680 all for sticking with the podcast and just sticking with 817 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,920 us on this podcasting journey, man. 818 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,360 We do it for y'all. We do it for the Kenyan music 819 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,400 industry. And I just want to sign off for 820 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,160 me personally with my three CS, which I've been pushing, which 821 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,600 always begin with confidence, man. 822 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,080 Like listen, I know you guys are in the music industry or even 823 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,520 whatever industry you are in. I need you guys to be confident 824 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,400 with your work. I need because like, people feed 825 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:46,000 off of your confidence, right? If you're confident in your 826 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,240 stuff, other people will like it just as a factor of you being 827 00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:52,080 confident about it. I need you to be consistent. 828 00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:56,480 You need to be consistent, man. Every day you're doing something 829 00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:02,240 that's making sense or that's adding to your overall dream. 830 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,280 You have to be consistent because if you're not, we live 831 00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,280 in an, we live in a time where everybody's doing the same thing 832 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,960 and you will be easily forgotten. 833 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,120 And lastly, craft. Always, always work on your 834 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,440 craft every day. Try and like improve it in some 835 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,560 way, shape or form. Even the smallest improvement is 836 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,880 improvement. And yeah, Sam. 837 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:38,320 That has been episode 80. That has been episode 80. 838 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,600 Yeah, man. We'll see you guys in episode 839 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,160 81. Goodbye, Goodbye.