What? Listen, scissors.
If by some twist of fit you're listening to this, listen, I
produce music. I can help you with your
comeback, man. Just listen.
I'll do the most. I'll do the most man.
Time into your Kenyan roots for that?
Oh man, no. Yeah.
Yeah, imagine how. It'd be interesting, wouldn't
it? That would be.
It would be so crazy, bro. The.
Yo, what's up? And welcome to episode 71.
Yes, we're on the 70s of the 30% podcast hosted by yours truly,
AFAM and my Co host Yours. Rather falsely, Sam.
And this is the 30% Podcast, which you can stream on YouTube,
Spotify, Apple Podcasts and sadly guys, Google Podcast is
dead. They can't do this to us, man.
Queue the Funeral Music. Moment of Silence.
Dead Sam Moment of Silence for for Google podcast.
That's my good. That's my podcast app.
Like, I'm sad. I'm not.
I'm not Sam. I'm not listening to podcasts on
Spotify. I'm so sorry.
Spotify is for music, solely music.
This whole video thing they're doing now, I'm cool.
And their video is laggy by the way.
Sam, could you kindly say a few, say a few kind words for?
I actually don't care that much about Google Podcast, but here
we go. Well, OK, if you wouldn't, I
will. I will Google.
What can I say. What an amazing guy.
What a what a what an amazing guy put took me through some of
my highs and some of my lows. I.
Discovered a bunch of really good podcasts on Google Podcast.
They held me down during COVID. No, no, no, no.
I have nice words to say. Google podcasts helped me down.
Held me down during COVID. I tried all the other podcasts.
Don't step on my No, no, no, no, no.
I would not. I would not let you say you.
You said you didn't have words, so let kindly let me get my shit
off and then you. OK, So yeah, and listen, I
discovered. Is this really what the people
want to hear on there? I loved the user interface.
It was simple. It was very white.
That sounds racist, but OK in general?
Where? Are we going with this?
Podcast We will miss you. You are loved.
Farm. It's just an app, bro.
It's just an app. It's fine.
All of this. No one wants to hear you.
Give a eulogy to Google podcast. It doesn't matter.
I'm pretty sure there is somebody out there who finds
this a very sentimental moment, and we and for and and if you
were listening to this right now, I am with you.
I like to think our audience is slightly cooler than that, but
all right. Anyway, aside from Google
Podcast, you can also find us on social media at which you can
find us at. Our ad Is the 30% Pod.
Social media in question would be Instagram, X Threads, Tiktok
and LinkedIn. Do you think the other apps are
like cowering in fear, waiting for their time to be
discontinued? No, Google has.
Wait, Google has been cancelling a lot of things though, so I I I
get it. Yeah, yeah, Google be cancelling
things, man. Apparently in Google if you're
not successful in like if you're not giving them.
Profits in like I. Don't even know a few months.
But podcasting, like Google Podcast has been has been around
for a minute. So yeah.
But you know what? This is actually very worrying
though. On a serious note, Sam, like
podcasting, is on a downhill trip.
If we are being honest, you think, yes, Not not.
I think so. It genuinely is.
If you look at even the layoffs that have been happening in
Spotify, they've really downsized their their, their
podcasting department. They've gone over 200 layoffs on
the podcasting department in Spotify.
Now. Google Podcast has been shut
down. I don't know.
I think. I think the Industry In
General's focus has completely shifted off of podcasts.
I think the age of podcasting, especially like in the West, I
guess is it's it's it's on its back.
It's done. Yeah.
Oh, well. Anyway, Sam, how have you been?
I speak to podcast as we are on a podcast.
Dang, how? No, man, we're not doing me.
How have you been? Bro is out there.
Bro. Bro is.
Bro is out there living there. What do they call the American?
What do they call that thing? The American Dream?
Is that what it is? The white picket fans a dog and
a white can. Dream if you're white.
I'm saying you can only leave it if you're white.
I don't think so. I think anyone can leave.
There's in there's there's Asians and and and Europeans
that go to America to leave the American dream.
Some of them are not white. Well, the Europeans are.
All right, This is going to be, this is very racy now.
I don't want to do this. It's.
Uncomfortable. You're taking a hole.
For yourself, it's gone. It's uncomfortable.
What's that meant? How is the?
232. What's the area code?
1. Of course America made itself
number one, man. Yo, man, that's such a main
character country. Such a main character country.
How is the one? How is the Yeah?
It doesn't even. Sound.
It doesn't sound. How is the one?
The two saying the 254. There's this culture.
There's depth to it. How is the one man?
What's? What's up?
What's up?
What's going on out there?
It's been it's been it's been a very eventful past few weeks.
Just been dealing with the whole move and everything, but I
believe I am settling down well in this good old country called
the United States of America. Yeah, man, I'm ready to to, you
know, get my new life started, I guess.
New life. Yeah, looking forward, excited.
Thank you for asking. Yeah, I didn't.
Was there anything else you wanted to know, really?
This whatever information you want to volunteer towards this
weekend now, man, it's just just finding out how you do.
America is OK. I hope you're keeping your head,
your head about you. Yeah, so.
So I went on a cruise. I was lucky.
Enough to go. Oh, you're going to leave that
one out, aren't you? Afram was on a cruise.
A big boat. No, I wasn't going to leave it
out. Yeah, I went went on a cruise
and this cruise was departed from Miami and it went to
Dominican Republic as well as the Bahamas.
So yeah, man, I've been out here, man.
Yeah, it's it's just been really good travelling.
Cruise sounds, cruise sounds fun, but then I don't know, man.
Like when it's dark and you're on the outside and it's just
it's just darkness. I don't know.
Oh, trust me, you never you don't really realize you're on a
boat because you know those ships are so huge and and
there's so much activities to do.
Like, you don't even like even at night you don't even realize
you're on a boat like. And because they're so big they
barely like, like, what do you call it, boy?
Or move around so you don't really like feel.
Really. Ownership.
I feel like it would be scary, man.
I feel like, I don't know. It's not.
Scary. The ocean is I've not been on
I've not been on water much but the ocean just seems like it's
just it's just not a very. See, I'm not a I'm not a fan of
water and stuff, but like, I wasn't scared the whole time.
Oh, that's cool. But anyway, if you're inside the
whole time, it's basically it's a it's a hotel on the water.
So it's it's, yeah. Essentially, it's essentially
bad. That's cool.
Let's dope. How about?
Yourself, bro. What you been up to?
I have been I've in all honesty I've had.
I've had I've had one of the it's just been a really bad run
of weeks but but but we're good man.
Just working, been, you know trying to, trying to get to the
money, trying. To.
Survive in this Nairobi? Yeah, Grinding, grinding, as
they say I've been Grinding, grinding.
But that's that man, chilling. Anything interesting?
Nothing much, actually. Nothing interesting.
Yeah, I need, I need to get some excitement in my life.
That's that. OK.
I mean that's that's fair. But listen, as much as so I feel
like we've been gone for a while because the, you know most the,
the the past two podcasts have been interviews.
So we haven't really talked about like current events.
So I feel like there's a lot that has happened.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Since we last did like a current
events podcast. One of them being the whole
thing with Davido. Yeah.
So the was just, was, was recently held.
And yeah, I mean it looks like the the concert was good.
I guess I've not seen like as many bad opinions as we usually
see when Nigerians come around here.
Like when Davido and and Burner Boy and has Whiskid ever come to
Kenya? It usually is just those three.
Yes, Whiskid has been here. Whiskid came to Kenya even back
in the day before he blew up. Oh yeah.
So yeah, it looks like it looks like Davido, remember?
Did a good show, Sam. Remember, Whiskid was on was on
Camp Muller's debut album. Yeah, he Oh my goodness.
He was Oh no, I need to look better.
If not, is the album. Whiskid, whiskid, whiskid,
whiskid fox with us, man. He's down.
He's he's down with the. He's down with the culture.
He's down the well. That was a long time ago.
We've not seen any collaboration since then.
Maybe we need to revive the risk, it said.
Oh, by the way, during the break risk, it said that people stop
telling him he's an Afrobeat artist.
So. Oh, what is he then?
Yeah, he he was actually very rude about it.
Like he posted a post like stop calling me an Afrobeat artist.
He was just it's just it's just it's just just I guess he was
maybe that maybe no. Listen, that's actually
triggering. That's triggering.
One thing you can never do is is shit.
On your fan base, these are the guys who who that?
Yeah, that gave you your notoriety, man.
Why you like, listen, I understand.
I understand where artists come from.
They're like, oh, I'm an artist. Like, you know what I mean?
Like I don't want. To be, yeah, yeah.
But you don't do. That by, But you don't do that
by putting down something else. Sure, you can say I'm an artist.
I'd like not to be boxed into anything, but like, OK, fine,
but don't go about it by saying you don't call me an Afrobeats
artist. This is what this is what he
said you can. Disrespect the very people that
put you on this. Is what he said.
He said listen, am I African? Yes.
But do I make all sorts of music?
I don't want this labeled just Afrobeats.
Whisk, it said. That's like saying every
American artist mixed rap. Wait, what was good?
That's not true. Those are not the same thing.
Those are not. That's Those are not the same
thing though. But I would assume an artist
like, no, listen now then assume an artist like Whiz kid has APR
team that would like kind of like be like yeah maybe.
These guys will be having Twitter.
Oh no, Oh no. But his next, his next statement
makes sense. This is why no matter how good
or amazing the music we make, beat, R&B or whatever other
genre, we get nominated in one Africa category or the other.
I've made songs from different genres of music, bro.
But that's the system dog. Like that's that's what we're
doing like. No, no, listen, I understand.
I understand what he's saying. It's just how you deliver it
that that's the issue that I have an issue with.
Because like, yes, what he's saying is true.
The industry likes to box you into like really neat like bow
like boxes with yeah, put a nice pretty bow on it like because
like even like this is the same thing that Tyler, the Creator
was fighting against. Like he said, he made an
alternative album and they just want to give you rap album.
Just because. Like Tyler, the Creator has been
a rapper like in the past. They like to do shit like that,
just like so you can stay in your lane.
I mean the a recent example of somebody who's been fighting the
good fight would be, I mean, Lil Nas X with the country stuff and
even Beyoncé. But I know Beyoncé, they're
gone. They have to bro.
They have to put on the country charts, man.
Like, if they don't, then that's blatantly racist.
But anyway, yeah, they really do like to put people in boxes.
I see that. But like, the way you say things
matters, you know? What I mean, I mean.
Sure, maybe I understand. Is Afrobeat like his whiskid?
Is Afrobeat like. We get it though and and and if
we're looking at his his catalogue he hasn't done too
much music that isn't Afrobeat. Maybe he's had he had that one
reggae song with her. He's had a few reggae joints
with. It's really just Afrobeat and
reggae. I've not heard him on like like
even pop like we've had someone like an IRA star.
Bunna boy has done hip hop. The video has done RMB like
traditional what do you call it RMB.
He's he's hopped on some of those Whiskey has just really
done Afrobeat, Afrobeat, Afrobeat.
Maybe I'm wrong. I don't want the whiskey
committee to come for me. Anyway.
What were we talking about? Oh, David Doe.
David Doe? Yeah.
So David Doe was here for the the thing.
It was cool. I mean, I obviously didn't go
because I didn't. But I have not heard.
We've not heard like as much negative press about.
We're speaking Speaking of negative press.
We've not heard as much negative press about it.
But the main story here, yo, what is the media up?
To wait, actually, even before you, the main story here Sam,
has April Fools fallen off? This like, OK, so so here's my
here's my thing. Everyone should know that any
news that's given on the 1st of April, do not believe it.
You can't. Why are people still falling for
it's 2024. We've had so many of these like
you should be at least at least a baseline skepticism.
You should wake up with that on the 1st of April every year.
Yes, it's ridiculous. April Fools has fallen off, man
they used to be. Fine.
April Fools doesn't hit. I feel like it doesn't hit the
same way that you still, man. Doesn't spark as much a joy.
No, it doesn't. I feel like everything people do
on AP Fools just feels corny now.
And. Curated.
Maybe it's just me, I don't know.
No. Yeah.
No, it's not. It's not.
It's. Not, but Speaking of Corny Man
K24, what the? What are you all doing?
What are you guys doing? What?
What is that? I have no idea what they were
trying there, Sam. That's.
You know, that's really crazy. Like like you're putting
someone's whole, whole like, like he could have been arrested
for that kind of stuff. Like those are not.
There's levels to this because you see the thing, the problem.
The problem is 1. Not everybody, like you were
saying, is is clued in on the waking up on April the 1st and
being skeptical. Skeptical about the things that
they read, right? So there's people who would see
that and be like wait, wait, what?
And then even even drugs. What they're talking about.
Exactly. And and even if and even if,
like, people are like, Oh yeah, like, but there's some people
who will be like, huh, But maybe you never know.
Like, keep by the. You know what I mean?
So it starts to start. Exactly.
Yeah. And she, yeah, David was
guessing David wasn't having that at all.
No, it's just ridiculous. Like it's such weird cloud
chasey media, like heated for that, that was.
But don't they have like, I thought, I thought me, I thought
the way media companies works is like whenever like there's an
article, I thought there's like levels of which there's like
clearance. Like this person says OK yes,
and then the next person says OK yes, and then the next person
says maybe not. And then it ends there all like
there's like a chain of like you have to like.
It's that's what that one seems like.
Like the Indians had a great idea and took it.
And they're like, Oh yeah, let's run with that, let's run with
that. And he jokes, too.
Let's run with that. With that.
Give ourselves more. Yeah.
No, this was this wasn't the move.
If they were looking for notoriety, though, they've got
it. Man.
Like the K24 has been published on like, everything.
I was even reading the article in the Washington Post and
everything. That's great for them.
They're not getting any money from them.
You know what? You know what's happening
though? They have to pay up money for
if. If David actually goes up for
the lawsuit, now they have to, They have to cover up money for
like legal fees and stuff, which is not smart.
This is an expensive. This was expensive for them.
This should be expensive for them.
It's it's ridiculous. Come on, do.
You think? Do you think Davido is justified
in suing them? I think so.
I think I think so. And I think if I'm being honest,
I think he should just so that we can.
I know it's kind of harsh because they it was supposed to
be a joke and maybe they are. I'm sure they sent letters and
emails and called him personally to apologize.
But when you start holding people accountable for this kind
of things, it's because this is ridiculous.
In this case, OK, fine, maybe David Doe can can fight and and
prove that you know what, but but in a in a case where it's,
it will be less likely to believe David Doe.
Maybe because of where he's from, the kind of, you know how
things go, kind of country he's from or race or something like
that. And he actually gets into like
legal trouble and he's locked up like that.
That could be like that could be detrimental to an artist's
career. Like that could really mess up
an artist's bag, bag, bag for sure.
So it's really it's it's reckless is what it is.
It's reckless for no real, no real tangible reason except that
we participated in a fad. We participated in, in, in.
I. So.
I was just going to say I wholeheartedly, wholeheartedly
agree. Yeah, I think it's justified.
I think there's levels to like. April Fools should always be
like things that aren't harmless.
You know what I. Mean.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Porsche.
Porsche said that they are creating a shovel.
That's that's great. We like that.
We like to see that. But don't say Davido.
Was arrested or or or or if we had posted something like the
30% podcast will be rebranding to the 40% podcast Like, OK,
that's fine, Like, totally. Exciting by.
Doing that, you know what I mean.
That doesn't seem so if you're doing that.
We have to say that 30% podcast is beefing with another podcast
to make it seem if you're just rebranding that's that's is that
much of an April nobody. But I get what you saying.
I get to say. I get to.
Say, I'm just saying like, it's harmless, like, you know what I
mean? It's like at the end of the day,
nobody's gonna be like, you know, a bit.
So yeah, I feel like there's levels to to what an April
Fool's joke should be. And I think that was taking it
too far. And I think he's justified in
taking them to court. He sued, he sued A Nigerian
company before and he won because they they put, they put
out defamatory things about him. So because he he seems like, I
mean he he maybe he's like really just really just uptight
about his not uptight, really stringent about his reputation.
So I think you should go for it just just so that you can teach
like media lesson. Like y'all can just be reckless.
Yes, y'all can be reckless. With they'll probably end up
settling, but like, you know, just lost.
Money for no. Reason.
Jeez, if you're fool. For no reason, I'm sure the
interns who had that idea. But they're no, they're they're
not interns No more. They don't.
But, but it's also but also the blame should go on the the, the
higher ups because the higher ups should surely have seen that
and said this cannot go out. So I think the blame should go
across the board for that. It's craziness.
It's crazy. Well, shout outs to everybody
involved and prayers to everybody.
In they're going to meet their giant Hope you'll have good
lawyers. All righty.
I hope they have the lawyers, man.
OK, where do you want to go from here bro?
What are we doing? What are we doing?
There's a lot to choose from. There was an interesting
article. There was an interesting article
about Chimanu. He was saying he refers to
himself as a retired Kenyan pop star.
How? How did you feel reading that,
even if it might have been like just light hearted and like
jokey? Maybe he's not being serious,
but like, yeah, like, there's always some seriousness in like.
Oh no. Yeah.
There's always seriousness and you know, and timing is very
important in terms of like a joke, right.
And this joke is coming after after S Isol have have, have
have S isol is done for now, as they say.
So I don't know, It's interesting.
Timano is a, I mean he's he's, he's been part of the group,
held them down. People are doing different
things with their lives. I guess it happens and we've
talked about groups before. It happens like people are just
doing, they're going different directions.
They want to do that. Him, maybe he's a retired pop
star. We don't know whether he's going
to try and be a different type of star.
But in terms of like his kind of music, maybe he's done, maybe
he's done. I don't, I really don't have
much to say, honestly. I probably heard.
But he's, he's held us down. He's been part of the group.
We've enjoyed him in the group, we've enjoyed his music and
what's that I hate to say? So let me ask some Yeah, let me.
So let me ask because I'm looking at the video and it's a,
it's a video of him like mowing his lawn and stuff like that and
his kind of just saying that like you know, this is now his
new reality. You know, it's not working.
So it's it's also, it's also tongue in cheek, right?
But I wanted to have like now off of, off of Chimano, right,
Just to have a conversation about the group, like the group
dynamic in music groups, right. So this is just a reality,
right? In every music group, there's
going to be different personalities in said group,
right? And the life cycle of a group is
always the group comes out, everybody is on equal footing.
But always the with the group, there always comes to be like 1
breakout start and then there's always an individual in the
group who is very instrumental to the inner workings of the
group but doesn't get the recognition that they deserve.
And then there's always the people in the group who kind of
just like are very talented, yes, but are they're coasting,
you know they're just, they're ghosts.
They're not that they add numbers, and please I am this is
off of Sautiso, but not. Really bad because because we're
having this conversation because of of of such.
So so people don't completely, no, but people don't completely
push push it out of this. I get what you're saying.
No, no, no, no, no. That it's it's it's part of the
conversation, but I am not talking about that situation.
And then there's always the people in the group who, yes,
are talented, yes, add to the group, but they they don't
necessarily receive the same. Notoriety.
What's the word? Acclaim and notoriety as certain
members, Right. So what happens to like, OK,
like if we use Destiny, everyone likes to use Destiny's Child.
There's all. There's always a, a term that
has become like a pop culture reference now where somebody
says, oh, so and so is the Beyoncé of the group, right?
Like even when, when, when, when, when Ray Shermard broke
up, everyone was like, Sway Lee is the Beyoncé of the group,
right? So what happens to the artist
who always gets left out in that situation, like when the group
like, Because with the life cycle of a group, it always
comes to an end where somebody wants to go solo and the group
decides, you know what, let's just go in our own ventures.
That always happens, right? What happens, man, in that
situation? How?
How like I feel like nothing prepares you as an artist to
have to deal with that. Like, you know, it's.
Kind of unfortunate though isn't it?
Like you're in a group and you're talented and you're
moving along, but just because someone else in the group has
more, it's almost like the stars are more aligned for them in
terms of like fame and fortune and all of that business.
Like you you're just and people can be brutal.
People will be forgetting if you if you don't outrightly go out
and and make yourself a star fam.
Yeah, it's it's over and and we've seen that a lot, a lot of
these artists, a lot of people in the group, some of them, we
don't even know their names. They just fizzle out.
They just fizzle out into do they've come dancers, they they
they maybe start record labels and and try to sign people.
I don't know. But it's unfortunate, but it's
the way it is. We can't.
There's nothing you can do about it.
But I think what you can do is OK.
How do you now? Start beefing with the Ah, see,
that's sorry, sorry, sorry to interrupt, but that's that's the
people. Other others will start beefing.
Start beefing with the main guy and and start exposing secrets
about the group. And that's how you keep your
cloud up. That's what to do in this
situation. Just start some beef when in
doubt. Beef.
No, no, no. No when in doubt.
That's beef. That's bad advice.
Do not follow what Sam is saying right now.
Sam is being a warmonger. That's true.
When in doubt, beef, look at what's happening in hip hop.
Guys are just chilling all of us.
I did. Now there's just beef.
Oh like bro, are you seeing what's happening with Pharrell
and? That broke my heart.
That broke my heart.
That that. Me.
I'm on Chad's side if anything happens, Why?
Why are you just taking the introvert side?
Just because he can't do that? You can't do that.
You can't. You can't assign underdog to
someone who you don't know the full story.
I am on his side, whatever happens.
Chad and Hugo fighting Chad, Chad and Hugo.
Chad and Hugo are part of like the Neptunes and in like the
there's a period where they're on like what, 6070% of radio,
just their songs. So they're like really
successful. But, but, but don't you think
like that Neptune sound is is like I feel like when when
Pharrell is out here producing on his own shit like.
It's not the Neptune. It's not, Yeah.
A lot of people have said that, though may feel like chat
brings. I feel like Chad brings the
Neptune sound out of like when they're both collab like.
It's true. And this yeah, and this actually
relates to the the whole topic of the group because Chad, Chad,
Hugo is usually seen as the the in fact for a long time people
didn't really like like mess with him like that just because
he's like silent. He he minds his own business and
then Pharrell is obviously Pharrell, he's out there, he's
making moves, producing for everyone and all that business.
But you can't this back to you. You can't just take Chad's side,
like we don't know what the contract said and because
Pharrell is a louder one, he's going to always come out as a
bully. So we don't know.
But I hope that's resolved. The Neptunes is definitely like
a big part of music as a whole. So but yeah man, listen, Chad is
Chad. Chad is probably facing it too.
He's he's not as popular as a group and he's he has to.
It's almost like Timberland. Timberland The other guy who
used to produce with Timberland, what's what's his name?
Wait, there was a guy who used to produce the timber?
All this, a lot of his songs. Ah, let me see, what's his name?
What's his name? What?
This is how I find out Timberland was part of a do.
I didn't know the part of well, he was sort of sort of part of.
I think they're almost known as a a do.
So let me let me check. I have to find this out now
because. Timberland and Magoo.
Isn't my go? No, it's not my go.
My go was a was a actually IPI think my go, my go passed away.
I'm. Coming off as so.
Informed. Right now I don't know.
You are? What's this guy's name?
What's this song by Rihanna? I think it's the only Rihanna
song I actually like. OK.
But anyway, so the point you're trying to bring across is that
he used to do production with somebody and.
Yeah, and that guy is not known as much that.
They deserve. But I can't.
I can't find this. Yeah, that's crazy.
Because I don't even know. I didn't even know that
Timberland had, like, help or like, somebody producing with
him. Yeah.
But anyway, that's, that's that's that's crazy, that's
what. Happens.
Yeah. I mean, listen, the thing about
groups is they're always a bit dicey.
And if you're an artist like before, you join a group like,
like, bro, like, even like with Ethan Muziki, right?
He had told us that he was part of a group and he left like and
and and look at his career now. It's like doing so much better,
like, and I'm not trying to say that.
Like, what am I trying to say? No.
It's OK Just, I know you're being nice and trying to be
politically correct. It's fine.
We know what we're not trying to say.
Just say what? Just say what you're saying.
No. No, no.
I'm just trying to say sometimes like it makes sense for for
somebody who's obviously the breakout star to kind of like
breakout like BN, the Saudi soul breaking up works really well
for BN, right, if we're being honest.
Because like now you know, he can do collaborations with Ira
Steich and do collaborations with like whoever he he wants to
right now. And this is not to say the other
artists can can't do the same thing.
But listen, people are here for BN, you know what I mean?
So he he, if I'm him, like it's like, yeah, like the group, the
group is important. And yes, they're taking a
hiatus. Never forget what the group
brought, because the group is what brought you into our ears
and our faces and our eyes. But and so never take that for
granted, but like bro, well, anyway, so I guess it's an
interest, but I'm interested to see where all the members of the
of. Salty.
Soul Land, you know, Obviously I can see Fancy Fingers is really.
Really. Yeah, he just put on that album
with all the other ladies. Show all the ladies something.
Yeah, yeah, He just put on an album.
Yeah, so Fancy Fingers is really like, yeah, exactly.
And so, I mean, let's see. Safari is doing music to next
man. I mean, he's doing a solo, so it
just seems like Chimano is the one who.
And he's also going on to it, right?
Yeah, going. Have they?
They're not gone yet, right? No, no.
Is that true? March.
March, right? No, no, no, no but going.
Right. Yeah, he's going on.
Tour Who is Savara tagging along?
With Nashinsky, it's so it's Nashinsky is taking Savara, and
I see this guy from Uganda E. Nice.
Can't remember? But yeah, so you see, it's fire.
It's fire. I hope all of them land where
they they need. To land where they're most
useful. Shout out to them what else was
in the news, Sam. What else was in the news?
I don't know. We could go.
We could go.
Yeah. So I I I bumped into, bumped
into an interesting, interesting the the algorithm Gods blessed
me with an interesting little article about Caesars.
Caesars, of course, apparently 18 years ago, disappeared from
the Kenyan scene after dropping a smash.
A smash. Sorry, sorry.
Sorry to interrupt you, but it's been so long that somebody's an
adult who can legally drink since he disappeared.
Okay. Since he disappeared.
Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah.
So scissors. I mean scissors.
He dropped I'm Ko Katiki. And that song I still getting
played today. It it's it's it took over.
Chickie, Villa, Monza and I would come another chase a drum.
Bam, bam, bam bam. There we go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a joint, you know.
Because you have a chance. But see, Kolkata came, bro.
What a banger, bro. It's really.
It's really interesting because I think, I think that song was
made as as part of a competition.
Can you believe that made as part of a competition.
And I I think he won the competition.
He was supposed to get some money for it but there was
thinking all this money. But yeah so it is.
This is an article talking about he the family and and in in
light of a disappearance and the family just just collecting his
his royalties prior to his disappearance he won a whole
bunch of awards and stuff like that but but I mean the song the
song was really viral and everything but then it obviously
died down. Now see this is not here to
collect so people have to collect on his behalf.
So so I mean it is it is for me it was just an I don't want to
go on for too long. It is an interesting article
saying how how because you don't really think about some of these
acts especially the older ones. I think the the default our
default thoughts, our default thought process is maybe their
business wasn't right or or the label or you know how we usually
go about these things, the business the label is on who
took all the money. So it's interesting to see this
actually play out in front of us with with someone else and it's
been more complicated now and that he's not around to fight
himself. So it's.
So what's the What's the article saying?
Because because what I'm reading is they're saying an
international recording label is, is to release Caesar's new
music. New music that's that's
interesting. Well, new music.
So there's that angle. I was also I also, and we'll get
to that. I also read the angle of of a
certain Muse Makassi, which often pointed out to me that his
father, that's his father, right.
And so Muse Makassi and him being called Caesar's is, I
don't know, we just did the math and it kind of blew my mind.
So he muse Mccassey was talking about how he's not, it says.
That I never, no, I was just going to say I just, I never
knew that that was the back story behind.
Him behind his name. Caesars, because his father is
called Abdul Makasi, so it just makes sense.
Makasi not know? Yeah, it makes sense.
So anyways, Makasi, I mean, he's talking about apart from the
international label, he's just talking about how he's not
gotten paid from the song. And I think Scissors was on
Khalif Khalif, Khalif Records back then, which is one of the
top labels. And so he says, if it were not
for John Mushiri, A Kenyan journalist in the United
Kingdom, he will never have known that the money that the
money and Khalif Records and Goma would have continued
collecting royalties and wouldn't have given it to them.
So I mean these guys are collecting royalties for the
song and the song was really big, but then they didn't pay it
out to the family. So I I don't know what the
contract looks like obviously, because that's the first thing
that we would go to is what to the contract.
Who was supposed to get what was paying out what what percentage
did Caliph own and all that business.
But if perhaps Caliph Records actually had a contract and
they're supposed to pay or the record labels are supposed to
pay out to Caesar. Caesar's.
Caesar's, I'm calling him Caesar's now Caesar's.
And they did not do that, then that's just like it's the same
old story that we that we see, right?
It's just it's ridiculous. Yeah.
So that YouTube, they collected 71,000.
We're just pocket. Watching from YouTube pocket
watching. Yeah, Sam.
Watching. Yeah, but wait. 71,000 in
royalties for 2.5 million views, man.
And they're saying, just maybe that's just from YouTube.
Yeah, we don't know what they're, what they earned from
other places and stuff like. That is that correct?
That doesn't seem right. I mean.
That seems so low in my opinion. It does.
It seems low.
Either that or the value of a stream in in in Kenya it's.
Short it's short to the ground it's down under.
But yeah I mean I kind of over the over the place with this.
I don't know how to feel about this.
I'm just I guess I'm just going to see how it how it unfolds but
and and hopefully he hopefully the family of the estate because
again we don't know what happened to him that's that's
still a huge mystery like bro disappeared before our eyes.
I hope he's Good, Hope he's OK. We definitely don't have any.
It's the biggest mystery in Kenyan.
Music. Yeah, we need to put some
detectors on that. We need to get Sherlock Holmes
here ASAP. We obviously don't have much
faith in what MCSK has paid out to him.
And they've they have been collect and they have been
collecting royalties for him, but they haven't paid it out,
according to Musee Makassi, And this is Musee Makassi's side.
There's. I'm pretty sure there's other
sides to this. Yeah, this is interesting.
If they're releasing new music, what do they mean by new music
after? Is it new music research music
or is it music he recorded 18 years ago that they're dropping?
And how do you think? It's 8 music he recorded 18
years ago that never got released.
How do you think that music? Do you think?
That's a good move. I guess that's my.
Question, do you think that's a good move to, do you think
that's a good move to do that capitalize on on what are they
capitalizing on anyway? I don't know.
So, so my reason, So OK, who knows where Caesar's today is,
You know what I mean? The thing is, it's kind of weird
because like you also have to consider what does the artist
themselves want, which, which also is why I don't really.
I'm not very comfortable with posthumous releases.
I'm not saying that Scissors is dead, we obviously don't know
what happened with him. But I'm just saying like because
usually the artist like those songs a lot of times are
unreleased for a reason, because the artist was not, like
comfortable with them. Coming.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
And and for me personally, like, beyond monetary gain, obviously,
like, I think it's best to also honour the artist's wishes.
You know, like if an artist was not releasing music, it's for a
reason. Like, I'm sure like, like in the
case of like Prince, I know he has a vault of like, because you
know that. Dude used to record every.
Single day, Yeah. He used to record music every
single day. So he has like a hard, like just
a ton of music. But you know how Prince was.
I'm sure he would never want that music to see the light of
day because he wasn't comfortable with it Being
released and your family and your estate, like they like to
say, should honour that. I think so.
You know, like, did Caesars want this music out?
I don't know. If he did then well and good for
it to come out. If he didn't, then you know, I
think it's best that music just stays in the talk, as much as it
would be interesting to listen to it, you know?
Yeah, but I do have one theory. Like some we were talking before
the podcast. Like assume by like some twist
of fate scissors find found his way back into the live limelight
and he was like yo. Roll out, roll out of the
Century, Man. Roll out.
And then he released Century. Bro.
Sam. And then he released music.
Just just bro. That would be a hit.
It might. I think it might make
international news if we're talking, if we were being
honest, it might make international music news like
that would be, that would be. An insane an 18 year roll out,
Sam. Yeah, 18 years.
And now and now I'm back. I'm back.
Holy. Yeah.
Yeah, What? Yeah, what?
I don't know. Listen, Scissors.
If by some twist of fit you're listening to this, listen, I
produce music. I can help you with your
comeback, man. Just listen.
I'll do the most. I'll do the most man.
Time into your Kenyan roots for that?
Oh man, no. Yeah, yeah.
Imagine how? It'd be interesting, wouldn't
it? That would be.
I almost feel. Weird saying that, though I
don't know why. I almost feel weird saying that,
but it will be that will be a rollout.
People don't do rollout. It reminded and this is like a
weird connection, but it reminds me of the, you know, there's
that movie about that boy that was shot over 14 years and then
there's another movie that was shot over 40 years.
I think like just continue shooting.
And then it was edited after it was done and pushed.
So that would be like that whole kind of thing like it.
It's like long this is long form content for real.
To be long form going into the Max.
Yeah, yeah, he's only done this is.
But anyway I'll be following this again it's it's it's just
unfortunate that labels and royalty collectors and all this
other guys we just aren't at a place where like there's all
there's there's a default negative connotation to them
like we we it's like they're guilty and until proven innocent
that's kind of how we treat them and it's just official like that
needs to change at some point you know and stories like this
keep proving that over and over and over and over again.
Like of course yeah we don't know everything.
We don't know the whole story we don't know what the contracts
are like. So but but we can only speculate
over what we've been told by MZ. McCarthy.
Yeah. And and then I'm reading this
like stories, man. You know, people have been been
finessed from time immemorial because like, you know, he won.
He won the award show. And I'm sure, did you mention
about the 100,000? Cash prize.
Him. Yeah.
And him being only being given 10,000.
And then apparently he was supposed to also be granted 3
songs recorded. And they're saying, also in this
same article, that he was the artist who cut and raised for
Sean Paul when Sean Paul came to Mombasa in 2004, and apparently
even then he wasn't paid. The the only thing that they
gained from that whole experience, according to Museum
Makassi, was the clout and the fame that came along with that.
And it's just like, damn, like our industry has been messed up
for years. It's been and and that's not the
only, I mean, we've had stories of other people who've performed
in like really big international concerts and they've had to pay
for their own sale. This is an award show.
Like, I'm not a award show, but it's a competition.
Like if you're supposed to make 100,000 from winning, like, then
win. You're 100,000.
Why are you only paying the guy 10,000?
No, no, man. It's slimy.
We need to and we're still going through that today.
Like, like like with with other situations that cannot talk
about. But then it's the same thing.
It's literally the same thing that keeps happening over and
over and over and over again. Like at some point, like people
have to, we need to. Something needs to change.
Yeah, yeah. It's actually disheartening,
man, because this is a family who they're probably dealing
with like where's, where's, where's our guy?
And then now you have to start fighting with MCSK and them to
pay you money that that he's owed, probably legally,
contractually. It's like, come on, stop, stop.
Just just do the do the right. Thing.
Why can't? Why is it so difficult?
Why? I don't get it.
Let's not get into a rant. Shout out to everyone involved.
Involved. So what we can get into is new
music. New music.
What were you listening to, Sam? Oh, we.
Well, maybe. Let me Oh, OK, let me start.
Let me start. Let me start.
Just based off of your reaction. So Fenna and Ben Soul released a
new song. Keke that that that was good.
I also listened to oh produced by Hendrix.
Sam always shout out to him. Moro Bars by Umoja Sounds and
Frederick Muller Obviously we you know we love Umoja sounds
cannot provoke. Yeah doing I I listen.
Like when I was listening to the song, I realized Moro Bars is
more bars. It's the African richest eight
that. Was an interesting, Yeah, that
was an interesting realization. I.
Was listening to that shout out to new Funk.
He also released the song Be the One.
Some new funk just be on his. Vibe.
Yeah, New Funk just does his own thing.
So shout out to him, man. There was, oh, there was a shout
out to Carnival for Voices in the Dunes.
You know, Carnival's production is insane, so shout out to him.
And then there was Utamu by Razerman Zerwembe, so shout out
to him for that. And then for me I had well, OK,
let me just shout out this, this out.
First there was Nuka by Sophie, Anzhao, Rexon and Lario, which
was fire. Like, I I really loved the
melodies that Sophie and Zao was hitting.
That's what I listened to. There's one more song I listened
to, which I really like, but we we we'll get into it.
Uh, huh? Yeah.
How about? You some Dang, not too much
different. Let's see, let's see, let's see.
Nanimjinga by Eric Wainaina. That was cool.
I like to say that Eric Waina is coming out of the woodwork again
and like he's released in music more frequently.
So that's always cool. And he's working on production
with M3 Booger, who's another producer out here.
So that's fire. That's fire I'd like.
To see cubed. No.
Is it cubed? No.
Is Is it cubed? No, no, I'm just saying oh.
That's good to be shocked, but don't I know it?
Aziz was on a song called Dakar Extended Mix with Dean Walker.
And let me get this right, Savage and she Shea.
Yeah, I don't know how you pronounce that.
It's written differently. Yes.
Who else? Who else?
Who else released some music?
There was one that I really wanted to shout out.
Can't remember. Oh Caterpillar released a song
called Brighter Days. Caterpillar is a rapper.
That was interesting. Amir.
Explore my mind that was dope and Sona rail Sona I don't know
how to pronounce Sona rail but that have vocals on that were
really like I really like her melody she sounds like she
sounds like if she gets like really nice proper like R&B
production she could go hit me up for for some other ITV if you
need some R&B production let's see let's see let's see let's
see what else was what was yeah I think that's that's that's
what I went through man and just OK.
Different stuff, Sam for me, bro.
The song that stood out this week I think has to be to Meru.
Diana by. I mean Koski, Simon.
And Vic WI know, it sounds like it gives you vibes of kaske
vibaya. But like listen, if the formula
is working, it's working me. For me it's working.
I I really still enjoy. It yeah it was.
I mean it's it's it's a very familiar Viquez produced the
other one. It's the familiar same type of
beat ish, same type of vibe. There's the there's the it's the
same. It's it has the same Bob and
there's the there's the the vibe, there's the the crowd
vocals in the hook. The crowd.
There's the play between Furthermore and Saru is
Fathermore and Saru. It's just the same, same type of
Bob, but but it's actually a banger.
It's it. It sounds.
I like it. I enjoyed it.
I like the energy, the energy of the song for.
Sure. I'm a fan.
I think they should do a video for that.
I can't wait. I think the video for that would
go, yeah, it's actually. So it's not to Saru and to Meru.
Yeah, it is like if you listen to the lyrics to that, like, the
stories are very. Yeah, they're very.
And the flow I enjoyed, I enjoyed the the store.
I don't know what's the name for this flow, the stop start flow.
I don't know what she's doing, but it's just it's it's really
cool. I find it interesting.
It's, it's it's new. It's new, but it's different.
But yeah. So I think Sam, I think for our
song pick for today, I would love to play Tu Meru Diana by
Vic W Father Moore and Saru Saru.
Black Market Records. That was to Meru Diana by
Victoria W Furthermore, and Saru shout out to them killing it.
As always, these guys just know how to make hit songs.
They know the formula. And I fuck.
With them. So shout out to them, Sam.
That's it. I have AI have an important
question for you. What side are you on?
Let's go. What side am I on?
I need to know the sides first. Give me some more context.
There's only You don't even need any context to that question,
man. What side are you on?
Whose side are you leaning on? I just had a flashback to my
Sunday school days. I'm so sorry.
I had to list that with some silence, bro.
I'm sorry. If you like one thing in
podcasting that you can do to somebody, that's not great.
Just listen. Science.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The fans are probably like, what
the heck am I listening to? I'm sorry, guys.
It Intrusive thoughts. The intrusive thoughts took
over. What side am I on?
I am on, but I'm on my side, man.
I pick me, dawg. What's up?
Ah, Sam. I'm talking about the J.
Cole Drake versus Kendrick beef man.
Bro, I'm on no side. I'm, I'm, I'm.
I'm all. Don't be like no side bro.
This is. This is.
Inspiring this is. Show some cojones, bro.
Pick a side. I'm not nobody side.
I don't even, to be honest, I don't know what what's the beef
about? What are they what are they
Drake. And because what I feel like,
listen, I feel like Sam. Let me break it down for you,
Sam. Also, Shooter was just like
Braga, just bragging. And then I also feel like
Kendrick people are taking Kendrick super serious.
Like he's actually like going against these guys.
I feel like these guys are all friends.
They know what's up. Group like hey, hey, hey, hey,
hey, hey, They're buying it. OK, so Sam, since time
immemorial. This goes back into the BC
times. People fought over, especially
men. They fought over a few things.
You know, property. Oh no.
Yeah, finances. Yeah, yeah.
And women. And so Sam, I can tell you,
within those three things I have mentioned, right, the fight is
within that. I think it's been theorized that
Future and Jake are beefing over a girl as always, as all these
things always amount to, it's always about fighting over a
girl and stuff like that. These are these are men in their
30s, by the way, anyway. Late 30s.
At that late, that is. At that, bro.
Anyway, so so that's what sparked the like beef,
obviously. Apparently Jake has been slimy
because, you know, apparently even the leak, the Drake leak,
has something to do with this whole situation.
As to how that got leaked and stuff, I don't know.
But these are fighting as usual. So and then now Kendrick.
Kendrick I think has there's been, there's been, there's been
things, you know, I feel like Kendrick also feels like he's,
he's alone. And you know, Jake and and Jake
all are Buddy. Buddy.
Yeah, yeah, he's been left out. And just just a side note, this
whole Big Three thing was started by fans.
This is not like them. So they are playing into
something the fans dreamt up and now it's becoming a huge thing.
Oh, it's not big me. It's just big me like come.
On if we're OK. But if we're talking about
sides, man, damn, whose side are you on?
Because because right now, OK, whose side am I on, bro?
If people people who know me know I'm a Drake and J.
Cole fan like so, I'm going to be a gravitate to their side.
But I have to be honest, I think like, that is a really, really
good song, man. Like Drake's verse on like that
is insane. Not Drake.
Kendrick. 'S verse it was.
It was a It was a show stopper, like what he did.
But how many years ago 7. Years old bro.
Bro was going crazy, man. When did he release?
That the the the verse on big control, yeah.
Control control came out like I want to say it was like 2012 or
13 over there or something like that.
Yeah, it's it's, I mean it's not to that scale obviously, but but
it's because it's different and everything.
'S different, but some yeah. The the reason why, The reason
why I can give some credence to you saying these guys are
probably in a WhatsApp group and whatever is because this is this
whole thing is coming suspiciously at a time when hip
hop needs some like rewritalizing.
Exactly, yeah. Yeah, because hip hop.
Hip hop is falling. That's a good.
That's a. That's a.
Anybody who's in the good. Speed will tell you, yeah.
Yeah, anybody who's in the industry will tell you that
right now the focus of the of the the major labels and stuff
is on world music and and hip hop needed something like.
This to kind of revive it, so maybe, so maybe they're playing
along. This is feeling a little bit.
I don't know if you're if you're a conspiracy theorist like you,
you could argue that there is a method to this madness.
I I would. You know what I think I and just
because of how it's played out, I think because I mean Drake and
and and Cole did the first person shooter, right?
And that was dope. And then Kendrick came back and
responded with that and then and.
Now Jake Cole has. Responded on on his latest.
Yeah, on his latest joint, right?
But Drake gave us an Instagram. Not an Instagram.
He gave us a a A concert rant. In Drake's defence, bro, he's
been on tour man, which he's done now, so.
So you think, Do you think we're going to see a response from
Drake? I don't think Drake is going to
respond. Drake is.
What? I don't think he's good.
Drake is the king of response. He's going to be doing like
Petty. Jobs like he does petty jobs
inside in his, in in his. But but he might.
He might take some time. He might dedicate.
Sometimes. Jake always responds, even if
it's true. Like like.
Let me what I'll say is the fans, the fans, hip hop fans all
around want to see this. I don't know why, but they just
want to see people fighting. Yeah, we.
Thrive off of negative energy, unfortunately.
So this is, this is tantalizing for a lot of people.
Like, people love this. There's threat.
So anyway, we'll see how all this plays out.
I will be taking a lot of interest actually.
See how it goes, I'll. Just be in the sideline.
So anyway, watching I. Think you're going to be.
I'll just be on the sidelines watching just just like like how
how how how much of an Arsenal fan I am.
I'm just on the sidelines I'm not like so invested.
I'm just if you're. Oh, by the way, Oh my God, thank
you. My new my, oh, my new, oh Oh my
God. GGMU, thank you guys so much for
what you've done for drawing with Liverpool.
I appreciate it from the bottom of my heart.
I am an Arsenal fan, of course, because this puts us at the top
of the league. We are top of the league.
We're not saying that we you
need to. Say we are top of the league.
Thank you for listening to the talk about we are top of the
league no one cares about, no Arsenal are.
You kidding me? Any guys?
Listen. So aside from Arsenal just being
an amazing team which you all should support, I want to leave
you guys with the three CS that I've been trying to push at the
end of the podcast. Confidence, Please, guys,
remember, always remember you all need to be confident in what
you're doing, especially if you're in the music industry and
people can taste and smell the confidence radiating off of you,
man. So you always have to be
confident. You also have to be consistent.
We talked about this even in the interview we had with Brian
Cheger, which by the way, thank you so much Brian Cheger for
coming Go. Listen to that if you have.
Consistency. Exactly.
Go listen to that if you haven't, he said it himself.
Consistency is key. If you're in the music industry,
you have to be releasing music at a consistent and strategic
basis. And the last thing is your
craft. Always, always, always work on
your craft, man. Even if it's doing the smallest,
most minimal thing you can think of.
Yeah, like I don't. Know as long as it's not.
Moving backwards, pardon. No, sorry.
I was saying as like even doing small things, as long as you're
not moving backwards, you're good.
Yeah, like just doing a small thing like reading up on what
music distribution is or if you're make, if you make music,
watching a tutorial on YouTube. That helps and it contributes to
you moving forward in the industry.
So always remember those three C's.
And with that, Sam, thank you for being an amazing Co host.
Bro. That was episode 71, bro.
We're in the 70s, man. We're old.
We're in. We're old the 70s.
We're in the 70s, man. Yeah man.
We wear, We have afterwards and we wear bell bottoms and we go
to the disco. OK, don't list that with
silence. Sam.
Don't do that to me. Silence is a weapon podcast to
me. Sam, Silence is a Weapon
podcast, so thank you all for listening.
Yeah, I'll catch you in episode 72.
Sorry. Sorry for doing that.
That was rude. My bad.
Oh man.